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now Virginia has not been a frequent stop for us here at True Crime garage in fact in the first six or so years
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that we have been covering cases I can only think of a few times that we dropped by this state that is home to
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the Blue Ridge Mountains and Chesapeake Bay rather we have spent a great deal of
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time in other states larger States and sadly states that we're home to some strange and unsolved murders
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States like Texas California Florida and of course we've spent a good deal of time in our own State Ohio
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but that does not for one second mean the Virginia or its people are immune to the tragedies that befell others in
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other states nor should one think that Virginia is without its share of some strange and
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unsolved murders why one would only need to look to the Colonial Parkway murders and the still
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unsolved Shenandoah murder cases to see that sadly that is not the case both factually and unfortunately none of
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our states of 50 are immune to any of this madness recently we have seen an increase in cases
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covered here in the garage coming out of Virginia we covered the short family murders the
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murder of socialite Danita cuts an Emma Compton Lane all still unsolved this is not to suggest an uptick in
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murders and crime in Virginia no we covered the short family case just this last August on the 20th anniversary of
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the crime a sad reminder that Justice is still needed danita's case dates back to the late 70s
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and unfortunately Emma's case is now over five years old we are still holding out hope here in
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the garage on all of these cases the cases we cover are suggested to us from our fine listeners and that is
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because we are kind enough to allow them to steer this ship more than one person emailed us about
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the still unsolved case of Amy Baker a quick internet search turned up a short news piece from ABC 7 News on your
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side wjla.com if you would like to read it for yourself Timothy Barber from back in August of
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2020. and it's titled murder victims family hopes Fairfax County Cold Case website will provide answers
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the title is in bold squatty little letters I'm unsure of the font and just below there's a very nice
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picture of the young lady it may even be a high school senior portrait she has a pretty and somehow familiar
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face her smile is confident in her eyes and expression are both full of promise sometimes it might be okay to judge a
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book by its cover this cover tells me she was a good kid the picture also tells me that she is
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missed dearly the story references a one Sue Baker she's the victim's mother and angel here
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on Earth still fighting for her daughter the story gives a few details about the
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case but it is more about introducing a new website for the public one put together by the Virginia Fairfax
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County Cold Case Squad unfortunately Amy Baker's 1989 case is just one of dozens that are featured on
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the website the story ends by saying click here to learn more about Amy's case and other
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cold cases one click of your mouse will take you to a spreadsheet of Unsolved Cold Case
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homicides from Fairfax County spanning from 1980 to 1989. Amy Baker's case and that same nice picture are found at
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the top of page five I am not happy to report that when I scroll through the pages
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there are a couple of other names and photos of victims that I recognize in a column to the right of Amy's
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picture the spreadsheet cell provides a brief description of her case that reads
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18 year old Amy Baker was last seen leaving a relative's house and Falls Church the evening of March 29 1989.
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her vehicle was located on the side of Interstate 95 by Blacklick Road later that evening
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on March 31st 1989 Amy's body was found in a wooded area off the interstate personally
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I don't feel that Amy Baker's case has received enough media attention over the years
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and that is why we are covering it here today this is True Crime garage [Music] on the evening of Wednesday March 29
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1989 18 year old Amy Baker got in her car she had just wrapped up a several day visit to her aunt's house this is her
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mother's sister as she was visiting some friends as well in Falls Church a Virginia suburb of Washington DC that is
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quite developed and populous Amy was heading home to Heartwood in Stafford County where she lived with her parents
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the drive was not far and consisted mostly of highways that are busy at all hours of the night and then notoriously
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congested area Amy headed south on I-95 Interstate 95. unfortunately she never made it home and
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by 11 pm Sue Baker Amy's mother was starting to get worried she knew that Amy had left false church around 8 20
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p.m even in DC's crazy traffic it would not have taken her two and a half hours to get home to Fairfax
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the trip should have taken under an hour Sue managed to catch a few hours sleep but in the morning the first thing she
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did was call her sister to confirm that yes Amy had left the night before Amy's frantic parents reported her missing
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Thursday morning in the age before cell phones there was no tracking their daughter's location to
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see where she was but they also knew Amy and that she wouldn't have likely have deviated from her route there was no
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reason to she was 18. if she wanted to go somewhere else rather than coming home she would have just told her mom
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that's what she was doing but no Amy had said that she was coming home in fact she said I'm coming home I'll be
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there soon and Sue Baker didn't know this at the time but the state police had already found Amy's car that's right
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Captain the vehicle was spotted by a Virginia state trooper on that Wednesday night it was found abandoned on the
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shoulder of Interstate 95 southbound the massive eight Lane Highway it runs the length of the East Coast it was just
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south of the Newington interchange which is a major commuter area according to the Newport News Daily Press police said
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Amy pulled over on the shoulder of Interstate 95 near the Blacklick Road exit in Springfield this was less than
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30 minutes away from her parents home her light blue 1970 Volkswagen Beetle was Amy's first car and it was her pride
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and Joy Amy's vehicle was found with its flashers on by a passing officer this is
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sometime after 10 pm on that Wednesday night the police seeing that it was abandoned
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and was a safety hazard radioed to have it towed to an impound lot that was about 2 45 a.m Thursday morning all
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right so just to be clear on a couple things because the timeline with all of these cases is one of the most important
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things that we will discuss here today Amy's 1970 Volkswagen Beetle was spotted sometime after 10 pm by the
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state police so that is fact that's nothing that we can call into question there right also what is fact is that
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state police called in to have it towed at 2 45 a.m we've talked about this in other cases Captain where and when a
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vehicle spotted by law enforcement especially Highway Patrol they're going to Mark the vehicle they're going to
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note the license plate the description of the vehicle the time that they see it abandoned on the side of the road
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especially we're talking about a busy major commuter area a congested traffic area this interstate 95 Southbound
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they're going to note all of these items and they're going to allow a certain amount of time for the motorists whoever
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they may be to return to the vehicle and get the vehicle themselves off of the side of the road whether it be to drive
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it away or have it towed so in this situation the vehicle is spotted by State Police a
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little after 10 pm that Wednesday night and then so we fast forward to about four four and a half hours later at 2 45
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a.m technically Thursday morning is when it's radioed in to have the vehicle towed away well and that time is going
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to vary depending on how much of a hazard the vehicle could be how much of the vehicle is obstructing the
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road correct and in this case the vehicle is cleanly off of the road and this is probably why the why they
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allowed so much time for someone to return to it the interesting thing here too though in the notations made by the
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state police will be that obviously it said that the vehicle was found abandoned so this is not a situation
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where they come upon the vehicle and Amy Baker's inside or standing near the vehicle this vehicle was abandoned
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meaning the motorist the driver in this case it's Amy Baker is not present when the state police find the vehicle
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shortly after 10 pm well very scary situation when your daughter does not come home after she says she's coming
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home and then two even more of a red alert situation when you find her car abandoned also of note here Captain it's
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important to mentioned that the vehicle was found unlocked I'm a little unclear as to what this means does this mean
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that the state police found the vehicle unlocked when they first located at 10 pm or was the vehicle discovered to be
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unlocked when it was eventually towed away at 2 45 a.m it sounds to me if I had to guess that likely the locks the
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doors were probably not checked until it was time to tow the vehicle away but what is of importance here is that one
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the vehicle was found unlocked but it also sounds like they didn't do too much or go to too much effort to figure out
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who owned the vehicle or to search the the vehicle itself before having it towed away well you stated that the
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flashers were on correct see I'm going to disagree with you on this because the flashers were on I would assume that law
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enforcement when they come up upon the vehicle wanted to turn the flashers off and that's probably when they noticed
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that the doors were unlocked before having it towed away yeah because if you leave the flashers on you run the risk
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of having the battery die and if somebody is coming back for the vehicle obviously they're not going to
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be able to move it if the battery is dead that's interesting and that's something that I would like to learn
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more about because it from my understanding you would you would leave the flashers on as a this is night time
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right so that nobody smashes into this vehicle the what I'm curious about is if in fact that is the case if they spot
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the vehicle and it's found a little after 10 flashers on they leave the flashers on is that the indicator to
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the state highway patrol that the owner never returned to the vehicle and now it's time to tow it away and again I'm
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not a mechanic but I'm guessing if you leave those flashers on for four hours that your battery is going to be drain
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dead the thing that I think is interesting here though is that the car is found unlocked again I'm pointing out
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that I don't think that they took the time to check to see one the contents of the vehicle but more importantly who
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owned it right you check the glove box or you check something inside the vehicle and you're likely going to
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figure out who owns this vehicle and the reason why I think that that's a bit of
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a misstep here and I know that we've discussed this before they're finding an abandoned vehicle
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that's one thing completely different that's a completely different situation than what this situation is going to
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lead us to right I don't know it's frustrating looking back on this in hindsight because
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you would think that if they did figure out who owned the vehicle that they would be concerned that a young woman
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who had just turned 18 years old two weeks before and inside the vehicle we have a backpack her purse containing her
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wallet a paycheck her clothing her glasses are also found inside the car so to me if I happen upon this vehicle I
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find those items in there as an officer I'm going to be concerned about finding these items in there and just a little
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rant because I I know this is 1989 correct correct now of days with the technology
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that we have just on our smartphones law enforcement when they see a abandoned car could go on there do a voice
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recording of what they found and then snap a couple pictures and then send that to a file so then if the
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person goes missing and the person's missing for 10 years or 15 years or whatever it is we have that documented
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from the moment that they found the car that's correct in my opinion here Captain all of these items being found
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in the vehicle is a very bad sign and likely that I mean really this is a bad sign that's going to turn into a very
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bad Omen rather quickly question for you the tires were okay correct so what what
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we have here is we have mom who calls in and reports her daughter missing the Amy
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Baker's family reports her missing that Thursday morning now they didn't know that the vehicle had been found the
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night before they didn't know that the vehicle had been towed away it's once they report her missing that the family
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is informed that a vehicle matching remember because they didn't check to see who the owner of the vehicle was
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that they found right but they're saying hey by the way a vehicle that matched the description of your daughter's
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vehicle we actually spotted that on Interstate 95 and we had it towed away early this morning and they were told
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that the determination was that Amy's car had run out of gas and sad when you think about that because just a simple
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mistake and now we have a missing teenager well yes and this is one of those situations that you really hate to
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hear about you know this is something that I experienced in a vehicle that I owned at one time it had a bad gas gauge
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and that was the same thing with with Amy's beetle it had a bad gas gauge look her vehicle was 19 years old and
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so this wasn't a terribly uncommon thing back then for older especially people driving vehicles that are of the older
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state and from my understanding the way that the family has reported this they said
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that the gas gauge at times worked and at other times did not work so this would be and that's even worse than it
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just not working all the time because at least if it doesn't work all the time then you can calculate the
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mileage and all that kind of stuff and but sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't work but you've you've been in a
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old Volkswagen even going to high school in the 90s there were kids that had Beatles from the 70s that there were
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their prized possession and it was kind of a iconic car but those are like basically
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driving around a golf cart or a little go-kart well and not to get too far off on a Side Story here but a
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gas gauge that works sometimes and sometimes does not work is the same thing that happened to Leonard Skinner
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so this is not a terribly uncommon thing here it's really unfortunate she's traveling alone runs
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out of gas in the middle of the night and then would be forced to pursue getting gas or getting help on foot
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because of it being 1989 and as you pointed out no cell phone for for Amy Baker it's also should be noted that
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this was not the first time that this gas problem had occurred she probably knew what to do anybody that's
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ever run out of gas the the car behaves in a certain way and vehicles behave differently when this occurs but she
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clearly recognized the issue once the gas was out and was able to cleanly get the vehicle off of the road
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and she must have been awfully frustrated maybe even a little scared she's in the dark far from home probably
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one thing that makes her feel a little better that's a little more comforting in this situation it is a congested area
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there's a lot of people a lot of vehicles flying around that I I would think one would feel
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somewhat better not being alone out there even though she is trekking it alone on foot and so she would have to
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have decided to get out of the vehicle and pursue help uh which would be in this case means walking to a nearby gas
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station well it's dangerous not just because there's humans that become Predators out there the fact that she's
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walking in the dark on the highway so after receiving this report the family is told about the vehicle that was towed
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away Amy Baker's vehicle the mother Sue she immediately demanded to check out her daughter's vehicle per the Newport
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Daily News at the impound lot Sue found Amy's purse wallet and backpack inside the car the car keys were not located in
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the vehicle actually here Captain the car keys have never been located never been found their absence remains of
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mystery to this day it's part of the larger mystery of what happened to Amy Baker The Bakers feel strongly that the
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items left behind in the car should have suggested to law enforcement that a crime had been committed
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they say after all what you know woman would leave her unlocked disabled car without taking her person ID she never
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makes it home that night I agree with the family here we don't know when an abduction occurred of Amy Baker
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but we do know that it did take place to me this is a little more terrifying than
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I than I would think or or to to picture this situation because this points out to me
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and again we'll we'll stay water as we go through this timeline and stay fluid of the situation but when I look at the
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early findings in the situation it looks to me like the abduction may have occurred at the vehicle itself or
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for some reason whoever took her decided to return an item or two to the vehicle I cannot see her
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getting out on foot leaving the vehicle unlocked and not at least taking her purse or her wallet but again we'll stay
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water as we go through this timeline well just you know to throw out some hypotheticals she could have assumed
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because this happened before that she just ran out of gas put on her flashers stood outside her car
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and then she's abducted like you said outside of her car leaving her valuable items behind so the family is
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immediately concerned and they are really worried that something horrible has happened to their daughter but on
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the other hand the police were not so quick to embrace a foul play situation as the operative Theory but come on are
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they ever I mean that you get missing person cases they'll lean towards suicide or running
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away to start a new life before they ever lean towards Foul Play this is from a Washington Post interview with the
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mother of the victim Sue Baker says quote I was beside myself and I was trying to get the Fairfax County Police
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to do something but because Amy was 18 they considered her an adult and proceeded accordingly they asked us if
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she might be running away from something and whether she might have abandoned her
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car they later told us that they had sent a patrol car to drive along the shoulder where her car had been and that
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a helicopter had taken a look but no one saw anything suspicious but Amy's family
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is left wondering where is Amy [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] we are back to the windows to the walls
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love you all cheers everybody cheers to you Captain before we get too far into the weeds here and the details of this
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case let's take a quick look in a few minutes to talk about Amy Baker and we learned a good deal about Amy this all
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from a local paper the Fairfax times that said the baker family had moved only months before from Falls Church to
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the small community of Heartwood in Stafford County remember we had said that Amy was visiting friends and
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relatives in false church so it makes sense that she would want to go there and visit these people
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for several days as she is relatively new to where they are living now the family the baker family composed of
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Sue and Mark who are Amy's parents and her younger brother David and the family says well Sue says we
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wanted a larger home with some land and to get away from the urban mess in Fairfax County Amy's Father Mark told
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the newspaper we wanted a larger home with some land and to get away from the urban mess in Fairfax County Amy Baker
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attended both Falls Church and J.E.B Stewart high schools she played varsity field hockey loved photography and had
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plans to attend art school in Savannah Georgia she worked at the local mall as an event photographer taking shots of
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children with the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus for example Sue Baker her mother said that as worried as she was when Amy
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didn't come home that night she tried to tell herself that her daughter was now 18 and that as a mother she had to start
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thinking of her daughter that way as an adult and not to be so overly protective
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but when Amy failed to come home by 6 a.m she said that she knew something was terribly wrong so Mom started calling
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everyone that she could think of she called the hospitals towing companies relatives and the police she called
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everyone and that is when after speaking with police that she learned that the vehicle was spotted and found the night
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before when we see this a lot with missing person cases where the family doesn't believe law enforcement is
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taking the case serious and like we said law enforcement tends to lean towards these ideas of well is there some
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conflict in the family and did Amy decide to start a new life my big issue with the with Amy's case and you you
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kind of you kind of leaned on this idea her valuables her purse her identification all the stuff she left
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behind and the location of the vehicle itself seems like an odd place meant for somebody that's choosing to run away as
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police were hinting at in the early stages of this case again Amy is 18 she's a legal adult so
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they they do have some grounds for that argument but with everything I'm seeing I think that that was a misstep here by
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law enforcement the mother Sue Baker she wasn't going to wait around the family the baker family was not going to wait
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around to have police come to their side in their way of thinking in the police's
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defense they did send a car they did send a helicopter to kind of look around the area but we're gonna find some
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issues with that as well as we will get to here in this next part not to come off as a boot licker but law enforcement
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deals with thousands of missing person cases where the next day the family is calling and saying we we found Amy we
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found whoever that was missing and they're home now and they're safe Sue Baker and her sister-in-law Mary
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bellette quickly threw together missing persons posters and getting ready to put
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them up saying quote have you seen Amy Baker and keep in mind this 1989 so this is no small feat back then
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it must have been a terrible feeling to be putting those posters together that of your child asking strangers and
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posting them at spots near her vehicle hoping that a stranger calls with some type of information about your missing
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child be it an adult child or otherwise they distributed these posters all over the Newington area of course they're
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also praying that Amy was somewhere safe and someone had seen her and has information to pass along to the family
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the police said that they were taking appropriate steps to look into Amy's whereabouts according to the then
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Fairfax police spokesman Warren Carmichael who gave a statement to The Washington Post
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he said in addition to a police Lookout a uniformed officer an officer with a police dog and a homicide investigator
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were sent on Thursday to a section of Interstate 95 just south of Blacklick Road where Amy Baker's vehicle was found
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by a Virginia State Police Trooper a helicopter also searched the area he said well this exit area would make more
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sense if you saw a picture it'll be on our Facebook our Twitter and Instagram page this and kudos to Amy Baker's
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family this was not enough this was not good enough for Amy's mother in particular so on March 31st
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Sue insisted that an officer meet her at the location where the car was found and
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that they would search the area together so she's offering to help law enforcement and requesting that they be
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there when she is out there actively searching boots on the ground for her own daughter right so here's what she
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told the Fairfax times she says a police officer was supposed to meet us at noon
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that day but they had gotten a call so that officer that was scheduled to meet her at noon got called away to a
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different situation a different unrelated scenario and so no one ever showed up so mother Sue Baker says well
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me and my sister-in-law we waited around about 45 minutes and then we decided to
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start walking the area ourselves you know they weren't going to go out there for nothing and so her and her
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sister-in-law Mary started walking the wooded area near the abandoned car's location
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this was on Good Friday and unfortunately we will see why this will never be good for the Bakers
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ever again Mary the sister-in-law told the Fairfax times we were walking around inside the Clover Leaf area of the exit
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ramp when I saw some bright colors among all of the brown leaves and twigs I saw
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blue and white and then I saw Amy devastating I saw her but my brain didn't register what I was seeing until
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Sue put her hand on my shoulder and screamed that sort of brought me back to reality end quote
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Amy lay on the ground just about 200 yards from where her car had been found her body was covered with leaves this
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was right near the Blacklick road bridge over Interstate 395 in Newington do you find it odd that
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law enforcement didn't find her first yes yes that's why I think it's important and the the telling of this
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story of this True Crime Story to point out that law enforcement is saying hey we we did do a brief search of the area
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given the description of how the body was found I don't find it terribly weird that the
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the helicopter above didn't spot Amy it what it points out to me more so Captain
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is that I I don't think a lot of effort was made in that search I agree with you now a
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lot of our listeners and I was doing this myself when I was looking into Amy's case we like to get on the
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different map applications and really kind of scour the area and we gave a great description of where the vehicle
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was found keep in mind that was Interstate 95 just south of Blacklick Road what all reports that I've seen
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captain and from what I've been told is that this area especially the Blacklick Bridge
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that we just discussed where she was found this area has changed drastically over the years so if if anybody were to
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try to to look on some map applications today just be just know that this area is not laid out the same that it was
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that's 33 years ago now Sue went on to tell the Fairfax times in her interview I knew right away what I was seeing it
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was my daughter she was covered in leaves but I saw the new tennis shoes she had just gotten for her 18th
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birthday sticking out and I knew it was my daughter so the two women they flagged down a passing ambulance and
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within 20 minutes the area was corded off with crime scene tape and with officers and
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investigators on the scene Mary told the Washington Post that the whole thing left a bad taste in her mouth she was
00:36:18
married to a policeman herself but the family did not like the way that the Fairfax police handled this whole thing
00:36:25
quote I'm mad because her mother and I had to find her it took us half an hour the police department couldn't do it in
00:36:34
two days she said Amy was a very sweet girl Mary said her assailant didn't murder one little girl
00:36:42
he murdered a whole family well I think the big word I would use to describe law enforcement in this search
00:36:50
effort would be pathetic and then obviously now we go from a missing person case to a homicide the
00:36:59
determination was that Amy had been beaten sexually assaulted and strangled this according to the autopsy she had
00:37:07
been dead for two days which was sadly as expected her mother told the Fairfax times they
00:37:15
found change in the pocket of her khaki shorts and a Coroner's report estimated that it all happened
00:37:23
within 30 minutes to an hour of when she left her car so not a whole lot of time takes place
00:37:30
between the time that Amy finds herself on the side of the interstate and when she is actually killed again according
00:37:38
to the corner 30 to 60 Minutes roughly after Amy left her vehicle now I do want to State the other problem with their
00:37:47
pathetic search is once you find her don't you believe that this is where the crime actually took place so not only
00:37:54
are you finding this missing person and now you know it's a homicide but now you
00:38:00
can preserve this scene which is outside you can do your best but she's been out
00:38:05
there for approximately two days right no but what I'm saying is if they would have done the search correctly they
00:38:12
would have found her probably two days earlier that's correct yes they did that cursorary search earlier and had they
00:38:22
spotted her and found her then they would have had a better more preserved crime scene to be investigating and and
00:38:29
you can't blame the baker family for for they have to be furious with this yeah I mean her body's located 200 yards
00:38:41
from where the vehicle was originally spotted so we're not talking like a a great distance here
00:38:49
now this is real interesting to me here captain and these are potential leads and this is based off of the police
00:38:58
requesting information in Amy's case so interestingly police asked the public to
00:39:05
call in any information they might have about two possible vehicles that were seen in the area so a statement said
00:39:14
that police were seeking two cars the state trooper spotted quote near the Volkswagen
00:39:21
and this was a one was a dark colored early 80s Buick and the other was a blue Ford Escort now whether they received
00:39:30
any calls about these pretty generic vehicles in their description is unknown once there was news reports that Amy has
00:39:39
been murdered there was a flood of tips so one of these was a caller referencing
00:39:46
an article about Amy in the freelance star of Fredericksburg this caller was a female caller and she
00:39:56
called Crime Stoppers on April 3rd police believe the caller was from the Fredericksburg area
00:40:04
the caller was assigned identification number 6125 but has never called back again now we don't
00:40:15
know what this tip involved we don't know the details of this tip but the reason why this tip is important here
00:40:22
Captain Captain is in 2005 police said that they were renewing their plea for this person to call back quote we
00:40:32
believe there is somebody out there who knows about this case and quote this is according to the spokesperson Warren
00:40:40
Carmichael right for the Fairfax police who goes on to say quote we hope that person will come forward and quote so it
00:40:49
sounds to me like this woman the the caller who called in way back in April 3rd of 1989
00:40:59
that this caller hinted that she had some significant information about the case but
00:41:06
police received this information they beg they plea for her to call back and according to everything I can find
00:41:15
she never called back and that's easy to believe one because we have a second plea public plea in 2005 requesting that
00:41:22
she called back while some people are so scared to call in in the first place so
00:41:29
you feel for law enforcement and you feel for the baker family because this individual look they they might have got
00:41:36
scared they might have gotten scared the other thing that I worry about too is is this person we're talking about a
00:41:44
significant amount of time in this case right we had just said 30 three years roughly in this case and in
00:41:53
2005 they're requesting that this caller call back in this is after several previous requests but
00:42:01
2005 still would have been 16 years after the fact so if this person if this female caller
00:42:14
did have intimate details of the case or knew who was responsible for Amy Baker's
00:42:21
murder there's a chance that that person was not still with us or still around in
00:42:27
2005. be it alive or in the area or the region at all well this case definitely has some interesting points to it
00:42:37
there's a lot of things that are very interesting to me here in this case Captain I feel like even though we're
00:42:43
sitting here 33 years later that there's still a possibility that this case could
00:42:50
be solved and there are some things that we're going to get into that are of evidentiary value that will point to the
00:42:58
possibility of still finding Amy Baker's killer all of these years later but even
00:43:03
in the early stages of this investigation look we can't go back in time and make the
00:43:10
police find Amy's body any sooner than it was eventually located we can't go back in time and and erase
00:43:19
the two days that that took place between the time of her death and when the body was found and then preserved
00:43:25
that crime scene even better but we can take the things and the items that we know to be fact
00:43:32
in this case and hone in on those and see what can be made of those so one we have
00:43:39
police asking the public for help on these two vehicles that were spotted the two vehicles that were spotted are very
00:43:46
important to me for a couple of reasons right one one of the vehicles could in fact belong to the killer or we have a
00:43:55
situation where both vehicles do not belong to the killer but could be potential Witnesses or eyewitnesses to
00:44:02
something even if they call in and talk to police and say that they didn't see anything at all
00:44:09
that is of value to the police because that goes into their timeline to say well these vehicles were Within
00:44:18
plain sight of Amy's vehicle and they didn't see Amy they also didn't see uh the perpetrator so we know that the
00:44:27
perpetrator was a male it was whoever's responsible for this is a male now the two vehicles yes
00:44:36
is there a chance that the tip that comes in that they were so concerned about that they were asking and begging
00:44:44
the caller to call back and speak with investigators another time is there a chance that that caller was the owner or
00:44:54
has information based off of one of those vehicles that was spotted because the vehicles that they're they're asking
00:45:01
the public about these aren't some random Vehicles yes they're pretty vague descriptions of the
00:45:07
vehicles but these are vehicles that were spotted by the patrol officer who was the one that noted the abandoned
00:45:14
vehicle in the first place and then factor in the situation of this female caller calling into Crime
00:45:21
Stoppers look that in itself points out that this caller likely wanted to remain anonymous
00:45:29
because Crime Stoppers is a great way to provide a tip to law enforcement and remain anonymous but this tip comes in
00:45:37
on April 3rd Amy Baker was driving home on March 29th so five days later is when
00:45:46
this tip is phoned in and it's not even five days later when you think about it because she's not found until the 31st
00:45:55
so we really only have about three days between now we have a known homicide to when this tip comes in how long did it
00:46:04
take from the time that we have a known homicide and Amy Baker is identified as the victim that between between that
00:46:11
information going out to the public and this call coming in on April 3rd I'm with police here I feel like this tip
00:46:19
whatever was that was stated in the information that this female caller gave to Crime Stoppers was important to the
00:46:26
investigators at the time and has remained important to the investigators for 33 years I'm with them I I don't
00:46:33
know what was said in that tip but it this tip is of of high priority in this investigation well it seems like this
00:46:41
tip was priority to the witness but then maybe they changed their mind or maybe they just don't want to be involved
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