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thank you foreign [Music] foreign foreign shared with you any of their theories on
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what happened no they haven't and we have an agreement with them from the outset that all that
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information would be kept to the law enforcement for two reasons one they don't want to compromise the search and
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two they don't want to endanger Molly yeah I know that you have your own Theory and I know it's speculation but
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your intuition has told you that you believe she's with someone she knows can you just expound on that and why you
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think that well I do want to point out that it really is just speculation on a Father's
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part that has lots of time and Imagination and I'm looking for a logical way to bring Molly home and so it's just
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that and I think it's taken on a little bit of a life of its own the last couple
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days but it isn't inconceivable that Molly left with someone that she knows oh well good morning to you Captain good
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morning thank you well we had every intention of discussing The Disappearance of Molly Tibbetts from
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Brooklyn Iowa this morning she's been gone for almost five weeks now but as we sit here in the garage there has been
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breaking news in this case her body has been found of course that is not the outcome that anybody wanted but it is
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something now Our intention this week was to bring light to her disappearance to bring light to the case and hopefully
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get the answers that the family wants and needs so I think what we do going forward is we continue with the
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information that we've collected over the last week go through that and see where this will take the investigation
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now we occasionally cover fresh cases like this one in 2017 we covered the Delphi murders just several weeks into
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the investigation and there was a lot of speculating that we had to engage in pulling together accurate complete
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information and open Active cases is a real challenge for one thing there is all kinds of misinformation out there
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Molly Tibbetts case has received a ton of national media attention and unfortunately often the media reports
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things wrong in a rush to get a scoop or reports information prematurely before it has been debunked or dismissed to
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further complicate matters in an open investigation investigators do not release all or even most of the
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information that they have in some cases they even engage and encourage the spread of wrong or misleading
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information as part of a strategy to help them solve the case all of these things Captain Force us to try to read
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between the lines of public statements the investigation is very active and our original goal was to generate some tips
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in the case of her disappearance to lead to finding Molly but now that we know that she has been found and she's dead
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we hope to continue the investigation to find the perpetrator of her murder I just want to personally thank everybody
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that sent for the last probably four weeks emails asking us to cover this case Molly Tibbetts was a 20 year old student
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at the University of Iowa studying psychology her parents are divorced her mom Laura Calderwood lives in Brooklyn
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Iowa a tiny rural town of just 1400 people along interstate 80. Molly's dad Rob Tibbetts lives in the San Francisco
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Bay Area Molly was born in San Fran Molly has two brothers older brother Jake and younger brother Scott Molly at
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high school she met her boyfriend Dalton Jack who was a senior when she was a junior at the time of her disappearance
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they had been together for more than two years Jack did not go to college with Molly in Iowa City instead he went into
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the family business along with his brother working construction Dalton and his brother Blake lived together in a
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house in Brooklyn along with Blake's fiancee Amy Houghton and Molly was a Avid Runner she was very athletic
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probably five two two five three in height yeah she was about 120 pounds she had long dark hair brown eyes and wore
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glasses or contacts and she was very close with her brothers specifically her brother Jake with whom she even shared a
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vehicle with he also attended the University of Iowa the vehicle that they shared was a silver Pontiac G6
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on the 18th of July which was a Wednesday Molly was staying at the home of her boyfriend's house you know so
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this is her boyfriend's house along with his brother and his brother's fiance yeah Amy the fiance is actually the
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owner of the house now the house has been described as quote on the edge of town it's a large property it has a
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large corn field on this property and then there are other fields near the property and I think Captain the
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description of quote on the edge of town could not be more accurate I mean a quick Google search of this thing
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looking this up on maps it is very much that you see the town just to the east of it and near this home and if you go
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continue West it just gets more and more country road as you go and have you seen
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a picture of this house uh I have seen just the maps just the Google Maps it's very very well put together very clean
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very it's very adorable actually like it's just like when you see it you just it's like
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a perfect little American house now on the evening of the 18th Molly was to be staying at this home I guess over the
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course of the summer Molly moved back and forth between this home which is located on West Des Moines Street and
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her mother's home which is nearby on Bay on bear Drive sorry when staying at Dalton's Molly would often go to her
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mom's house for dinner to have dinner with her mom and her brothers yeah part of the confusion about some of this case
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and what items and or clothing may be missing in this case stems from the fact that according to Molly's mom she kept
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some of her belongings at Dalton's home and she kept some of her belongings at her mom's home yeah it's been reported
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several ways like when they got back when she got back from college that she quote unquote moved in with her
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boyfriend but it seems like it was it was kind of like shared time between the boyfriend's house and the mother's house
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this is complete speculation here Captain but I I did put a little bit of thought into this and I think it might
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clear up some of that confusion just keep in mind she would have only needed a place to stay for the summer right and
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her mom lives nearby I get the impression that her boyfriend traveled from time to time for work you know he
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would be sent off to job sites that might be a good enough distance away that he should just stay overnight for
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several nights right well then it might be a little weird to kind of just stay there with your boyfriend's brother or
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your boy you know your boyfriend's soon-to-be sister-in-law well but she was really good friends with the
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boyfriend's brother or the brothers uh fiance yeah and the way that I kind of get this to me is that most likely when
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her boyfriend was in town she probably stayed at the boyfriend's house when the boyfriend's out of town due to work
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probably stays at Mom's something as simple as that we've all done something similar to that on this day on the 8th
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18th Molly was supposed to stay at the boyfriend's house to dog sit Blake and Amy's two dogs so her boyfriend Dalton
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was away on work approximately 120 miles away he left around 4 30 Tuesday morning
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on the 17th and was scheduled to return on that Friday Blake and Amy were in Ames Iowa at the time apparently Amy was
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working or is working in Ames this summer and Blake was there visiting her right there is a report that Blake was
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going only for one night Molly went to work on the day of the 18th we know this because she was
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videoed by a friend at work they were goofing around the first piece of information that we have about her
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whereabouts on that evening of the 18th is from her brother Jake who dropped her off at the uh at
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Dalton's house where she was dog sitting right he has told police that this was right
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around 5 30 p.m presumably Molly was just getting off work and since she and Jake shared a car he gave her a ride
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have you seen this video of her at work I did not I mean the when you're diving into a case and
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trying to shed light and you're trying to figure out who this individual is um it's a very small snapshot but it's
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just you can just see her personality and you can see how I mean she's just kind of being goofy um
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but there but a lot of people are goofy and and it's actually not that funny but
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she was actually quite funny she likely would have come into the house and first thing probably release
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the dogs apparently they were kept in the basement when nobody was home after this this is when the timeline gets very
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fuzzy so what we have heard is that she and Dalton did a little snap chatting back and forth and that she was texting
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her mom about dinner it seems like the majority of the conversations that should have uh with her boyfriend and I
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think friends and family would be through text or SnapChat or some kind of social media form one of the things
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confusing the timeline is that it seems that maybe Molly was considering going to dinner at her mom's but did not show
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up according to her mother the last time that she she talked to Molly via text Molly asked what's for dinner Laura
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responded Bratz Molly's response was a non-committal okay at some point after this Exchange Molly set out on a run
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apparently she prefers to run for about 45 minutes a day several days a week right and her family said that Molly
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preferred to run in the evenings in summer before the sun went down but you know it's a little cooler out at that
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time right she has running routes that she prefers although she would vary them a little
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day by day she would always run with her iPhone it's a gold iPhone 7S and an arm
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holster uh her Wireless White earbuds and her Fitbit which she wore apparently all the time yeah
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one of the few facts that seems to be Undisputed is that she did go out for a run she was seen by several people these
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Witnesses reported that they saw her wearing in in the Iowa division of criminal investigation seems to have
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accepted this description as they later made it public and this description reads her last known articles of
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clothing is believed to be dark colored running shorts a pink Sports top and running shoes color unknown the time
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frame for this run is thought to be around 7 30 p.m meaning she started the run around 7 30 p.m right I do want to
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be clear here Captain because I did see several other reports and and if this can help in any way we want to make sure
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we put out all the information the Iowa division of criminal investigation released that statement
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okay dark colored running shorts a pink Sports top and running shoes color unknown the other reports that I read
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state that it could have been a red sports top or a dark colored or black sports top so just in all all fairness
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we need to put that out there The Daily Mail reported that a witness who reported seeing Molly around 7 30 was a
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neighbor this is Nate Hopwood he saw Molly jogging on West Pershing Drive not too far from the Jack home from her
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boyfriend's home another Brooklyn Man Has Come forward who says that he saw someone who he believes was Molly
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jogging by his house that night sometime between 8 and 9 pm I read that Twilight
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that night was around 8 47 P.M this man Devin Riley told authorities that he had
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seen this same girl running past his home regularly his address is 317 East 2nd Street he told the media that after
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should we be giving out his address well there if you look up uh Molly Tibbetts and you look up this case okay it will
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come up yeah well it brings up a pretty precise map of the possible running route that is believed that she took you
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can find any of these addresses on here this is also things that I didn't drive through the town asking questions these
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things were found in simple uh internet searches and in local newspapers well and like you said earlier it's a town of
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under 1500 individuals so you would assume that almost everybody knows everybody yeah and he told the
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authorities that he had seen the same girl it seems to me like he doesn't know her by sight because he's just saying
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hey I've seen somebody that looks like her or this same girl possibly running regularly past my home well she has been
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at college so and he so he would only be seeing her running that route over the Summers so
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after this gentleman reported the potential sighting to the authorities the authorities did do a walk through of
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his home which he told the media lasted for just about 10 or 15 minutes yeah it's
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I was kind of joking about this with one of my buddies is because the guy that saw one of the guys that saw one of the
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eyewitnesses he comes off like oh that guy could be a suspect but then I just explaining to my
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buddy that anybody um won the first thing is this guy came forward later and said hey I saw her
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running and so giving information to the police is is a very good thing but then also
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being willing to say hey come in it's my house yeah and it and so it'd be hard look you've been in front of some
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cameras sometimes you don't know how you're coming off right and I think he does come off a little weird and I know
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a lot of people initially was like hey you need to check this guy out but uh but mind you
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news reporters are coming to his house after he's reporting a missing girl and he's just giving an interview you know
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well and here's the thing too he's doing what we ask everyone to do in this situation if you think you saw something
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say something report it and he's exactly he's even if he gets nervous in front of
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the cameras or even if he gets nervous in front of law enforcement doesn't technically mean that he's guilty of
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anything he's doing what we've asked please come forward with any information at all and then by the way the way that
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this works I'm sure that it was as simple as this police say would you mind if we take a look around your house for
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a few minutes and he goes sure come on in right you know so that's as much as you can really do being somebody that
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maybe saw something of importance that was just going about their regular day living their regular life yeah yeah my
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point to my friend was just you just don't know how you're going to come across and I think initially a lot of
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people thought hey this guy needs to be checked out he was checked out finally a
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person came forward and said that he may have seen Molly that night through his living room window as he was watching TV
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he says the woman that he saw was walking not running and he is at 64 Jackson Street this is Roger Thompson he
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said he is quote almost certain that it was Molly that he saw any or all of these eyewitness sightings though we
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have to question if they are accurate these are people that are calling with information trying to help but
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if she's an avid Runner like you said running several days a week did they get the the date right right was the times
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right and was the runner that they saw even in fact Molly so that's pretty much all we know about that night and until
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the next morning when people are going to be texting her boyfriend it's going to be texting her mother's gonna be
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texting her and she's not going to be replying to anybody and she also misses work and this is going to throw up some
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big red flags yeah it will the red flags will start Thursday morning on the 19th
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around 7 30 a.m her brother Jake texted Molly to see if she needed a ride to work she didn't respond remember they
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shared a vehicle so I would imagine this is common communication between the two
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of them right according to her boyfriend Dalton he text her a good morning early
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that day but received no response Molly was supposed to report to work at 8am but never made it there her work was
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about 15 miles away Dalton texted her again around lunchtime just to say hi he said later he didn't
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in a later interview he said he didn't at the time really become alarmed until her friend from her work called him
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looking for Molly right work had called her phone apparently but it was going to
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voicemail the friend told Dalton that Molly had not called in and had not shown up to
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work Dalton checked his phone at this time and noted that Molly had never even opened any of the messages that he had
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sent her so this is sometime around early afternoon on the 19th he called Molly again and again and again and it
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always went straight to voicemail and I don't think we have the information on when his last messages were sent to her
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no like if did he send messages at 7 uh pm and they weren't open or did he send him at 6 00 p.m and they weren't open I
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don't think we have that information no not times I'm going off of his words and
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his were words where I sent her uh a message in the morning and then another one again around lunch time but those
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weren't checked but I'm saying were all of his messages the night before checked
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that's a great question Captain because what we know from Dalton's words is that
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he checked all of the messages that Molly had sent to him on that night right what we don't know is what he sent
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her and if all of it or any of it was checked which might help us pinpoint a more accurate time of when trouble
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started happening so soon in the afternoon on the 19th this is when family members and her
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boyfriend Dalton they were calling all family and friends looking for Molly Molly's mom Laura called the police
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around 5 15 p.m and reported her missing according to Dalton he started rushing home when the sheriff's department
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showed up at the house they found the door unlocked and seemingly nothing Disturbed the dogs according to Dalton
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were found in the basement when he arrived at the house remember the basement was where the dogs were usually
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kept when no one was home yeah some Reports say that the basement door was locked but this is not confirmed
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according to Dalton there was no sign that either of the dogs had fought with an intruder or had been distressed or
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agitated in any way just to be perfectly clear though there are reports out there
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it's a bit confusing as to whom arrived at the home first there are reports that state that Dalton
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arrived first there are reports that state that law enforcement arrived at the home first
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[Music] all right cheers mates the police investigation they started investigating pretty much right away
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they talked to Molly's family and friends and determine quickly that this was not consistent at all with any of
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her past Behavior searches were conducted by air they used helicopters in small planes and even drones were
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used on land they searched with canines and 200 volunteers we have an issue here though Captain
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because the town of Brooklyn is surrounded by tall tightly packed Acres of eight to nine foot tall corn fields
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which you can imagine is extremely extremely difficult to search Blake Jack told the media that
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investigators and scent dogs had searched the property quote a bunch of times Sheriff kriegel told the media
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that he was confident that every home Farm barn and shed in Brooklyn had been searched Molly's family in the week or
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so the following her disappearance they continued to try to call and text her but her phone went straight to voicemail
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the FBI joined the case around July 24th I believe sending a large number of agents to assist in the investigation
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particularly because of the technical nature of much of the evidence or potential evidence
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on the Tuesday after Molly went missing the sheriff's department held a press conference on the local ABC News
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affiliate Sheriff Tom kriegel said he was concerned that it was an abduction he said his Department had a reasonable
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timeline that Molly was out jogging around 7 30 7 45 but they did not know anything later than that he said that
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his Department had cleared Dalton Jack as a suspect we don't know what they based this on but the sheriff's
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department must know something we don't I was like we stated before though he was roughly over 120 miles away
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I also believe at this point they cleared the father because he was living in San Francisco and I think they could
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tell that he was um in California when she went missing I also believe at this point they also
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cleared both of the brothers not sure why but they they did clear clear them so in regards to all of these people
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even more specifically Dalton the boyfriend what I'm assuming here you know as we stated they must know things
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we don't but I'm assuming here with Dalton that his Alibi he was in Dubuque Iowa as you
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said 120 miles away yeah this Alibi must have been checked and rechecked it could
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have been that he has an alibi based off of hotel room or video records eyewitnesses or even some form of
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electronic tracking right but whatever police are relying on The Alibi for Dalton seems to be airtight same as we
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would have to guess with her father and with the brothers right and this probably includes Dalton's brother as
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well yeah and again anytime you have a missing person case that there is some reason to believe that possibly that
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Molly would take off on her own but I think this video footage the day before she went missing shows Molly was very
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happy and and I think with her family and friends knowing her that this is not an option this is option we
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can take off the table her father actually believed and that this was just a gut feeling and
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you heard this in the trailer that that somebody that she knew took her so we have a situation where
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law enforcement is saying that she was abducted by somebody they're not leading you to believe whether she knew the
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person or not and and then the father's coming out saying his gut feeling is that the person knew her she knew the
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person some other information that we learn regarding that press conference um is that sheriff kriegel he did say
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that he believed that the Snapchat opened by Dalton around 10 pm on the day that she is believed to have gone
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missing was in fact sent that day but that's all he would say about that right now
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the reason why this is so interesting about this SnapChat remember we said that he the the Molly and Dalton would
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often communicate via Snapchat so this SnapChat was opened up at 10 pm by Dalton the reason why Dalton brings
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this up to law enforcement is he says hey look there's a theory that she was out there jogging and was abducted while
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she was jogging this SnapChat shows her to be indoors right and this was sent to
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me I opened up at 10 pm the problem is we the public we don't know when that Snapchat was sent she could have sent
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that took that that Snapchat sent it before she even went out jogging that night right I'm sure that is a big piece
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of information though for police as they might be able to identify whose home she
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was standing in or what building she was in when that was created and this puts us you know we're in a fascinating time
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because what we do know is that she had Communications through text messages Communications through social media
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platforms we also know that she wore a Fitbit all the time she was wearing the Fitbit on a
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run she's wearing her cell phone on the run so therefore we know that these pieces of Technology might lead to
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actual evidence later and we also hear that again in this press conference this is where the sheriff confirmed that the
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investigators believed that they would be able to take useful information from the Fitbit data which they had been able
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to attain obtain but they would not discuss that further obviously and should not right in this press
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conference he also stated that they had collected video footage from all of the stores along Molly's regular running
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routes as well as any private citizens who might have had surveillance cameras on July 31st the Associated Press
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reported that it had interviewed a neighbor of Jax this is Dave Cullum he told the AP the following he had been
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interviewed by invest investigators they had told him data from Molly's Fitbit showed she jogged past his home on that
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evening the evening in question right he told the AP what while he had indeed seen Molly on previous runs and was a
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regular at church with her and her family so he could easily identify her he could easily spot her yeah he had not
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seen her run by his home on the 18th Dave also said investigators told him Molly was doing homework on her computer
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later that evening now this is interesting why would investigators tell this guy this information if it were in
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fact true when they claim that they are they're trying to keep everything close to the vest right and but it's a small
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town yes so you also run into a situation where yes the police are keeping things close to their chest but
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sometimes police officers law enforcement have people that they have to you know get some of this off their
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chest if that makes any sense at all well if it's in fact true you know we're talking about at the time law
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enforcement kind of refusing to elaborate on the timeline that they had claimed that they had established now
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reasons for this information if in fact now we're going off of if this Dave column guy is telling the truth he could
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have gotten confused during the course of the interview or or again like we said wouldn't people spotted her running
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he could be confused on what day she was out doing her homework I mean like but but according to his claims was that
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night that later that night they had police had evidence that suggested she was at home working on homework at
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something no I understand that but I'm just saying that he could be confused and it was the night before I just
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wonder why if in fact they did tell him this information what was the strategy there you know was it to plant this in
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the Public's mind perhaps to manipulate the investing irrigation some way or were they did they want to give this
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information to Dave just to see what he would do with it right you know they had
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to suspect that he would probably tell somebody about this the interesting thing though is that Dave shares a last
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name with Morgan column who we know to be Molly's cousin so if Dave is potentially related or somehow related
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to the Tibbetts family then maybe law enforcement told him this something that they didn't share publicly because he
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was in fact related or is he a suspect at that time when you're sitting down talking with him are you saying you you
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know what we we do have some information that she was in this area right we don't
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know what happened after that let's throw some possible scenarios out there to see what he how he reacts to it and
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law enforcement is doing a really good job of keeping things close to the vest but I'm sure they're sharing more things
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with the family than they have shared with the media and then the families do been doing a good job of keeping
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information that they need to hold back back yes but we did hear this from Laura
00:34:17
from Molly's mother early in the investigation she had said that a quick look at internet history on Molly's
00:34:25
laptop after it was retrieved from the Jack's house suggested that Molly had been working on a homework assignment
00:34:33
for her Roman civilization class now the family told a local TV news show that they had been told this by authorities
00:34:42
the Amal that Molly appeared to have been working on her computer later in the evening on the 18th however this was
00:34:50
an early Theory we need to keep that in mind this was an early Theory and Laura would later warn us warn the public that
00:34:58
it is unclear exactly when the laptop was used that evening and cautioned against anyone drawing any firm
00:35:07
conclusions from that information right this is very confusing when I was looking it up because
00:35:12
to me if she's abducted when she's out running to me that points more so towards somebody that she possibly
00:35:21
doesn't know and then if she's abducted from that house that some individual would have to
00:35:28
know that she was at that home by herself um yes or out running by herself with no
00:35:37
one to account for her for several hours after she would return from that run but
00:35:42
during this search we're going to find an item and it's not really clear if it's Molly's or if it's not Molly's this
00:35:48
has been a weird thing here captain and it started off very weird and maybe it's
00:35:55
just not been cleared up so on July 27th The Washington Post reported that authorities said Molly may have been
00:36:02
wearing denim shorts and a red t-shirt when she disappeared now this is completely a complete different
00:36:09
description than what we were told before right apparently but hold on that goes back to the idea of
00:36:17
she make it back home yeah it goes It goes back to the we don't know when she if she was abducted we don't know when
00:36:23
she was abducted right and the thing here with this red shirt the reason why it could be significant is that it is
00:36:30
believed and actually I think there's good amount of proof that she did own a red shirt now was it this one that was
00:36:36
later found we don't know right let's talk about this so Molly was issued by the summer camp that she worked for a
00:36:44
red t-shirt possibly multiples of the same t-shirt some reports said that she would have wore that red shirt for a
00:36:53
field trip that was scheduled for the 19th yeah everybody's going to wear these red shirts right so it's easy for
00:37:00
the the kids or whoever's on this uh trip to identify the people that they're with right reports surfaced in early
00:37:08
August that a red shirt similar to the one Molly had owned for work had been found in a ditch by someone mowing grass
00:37:16
near the Lincoln in Wildlife Area this is about 15 minutes away from Brooklyn by car this report which has absolutely
00:37:26
never been confirmed it provoked a frenzy of speculation of course what if the whole timeline was
00:37:34
different What If Molly had been abducted on the morning maybe even the morning of the 19th when she was
00:37:39
preparing to leave for work right then she would have been wearing the red shirt or believed to have been wearing
00:37:46
this red shirt we have Kevin Winkler of the Iowa Department of Public Safety he told a press conference that he had
00:37:55
quote no information to confirm that anything belonging to Molly had been found in other words this would include
00:38:02
the red shirt the red shirt in the ditch had not been linked to Molly as far as they were concerned yeah but this is
00:38:09
where the red shirt gets a little more strange is that it's found close to this pig farm
00:38:16
and this pig farmer he's kind of a odd dude I think that's like the requirement to
00:38:23
be a pig farmer no oh dude I actually uh I'm joking I used to teach a guy that was a pig farmer and he was one of the
00:38:31
most stand-up guys I've ever met um just you know a gem like the cut of his jib shout out to the farmers you are
00:38:39
the backbone of America the okay so this takes place captain in Late July investigators are conducting there's a
00:38:48
very key word here in this sentence a targeted search of a former hog farm yeah targeted search of a former hog
00:38:56
farm and questioned the previous owner now this is convicted stalker Wayne Cheney he's 56 years old I don't know if
00:39:05
he's actually convicted I think he was brought to trial I heard seven times but every time the it was dropped do you
00:39:12
want to go through his uh you want to do a whole a little little rap sheet rundown of Mr Chaney let me
00:39:20
know what he was actually charged with okay so I mean that's what I heard in the news multiple times was he was
00:39:25
charged seven times but every time it was brought to court it was dismissed well no you're you those that statement
00:39:32
is pretty accurate okay okay he has been charged with a lot he hasn't been convicted of as many things as he's been
00:39:40
charged with a lot of his charges as you stated were dismissed at some point but
00:39:46
according to Iowa court records um he has a bunch of convictions things that he would plead guilty to or was
00:39:55
found guilty of so he has been found guilty of harassment in the second degree in 2009 contempt violation of no
00:40:04
contact or protective order in 2010 criminal trespassing in 1996 harassment by Communication in 1996. harassment in
00:40:12
the first degree in 2009 interference with official acts in 2009 and proper use of media in 2015 I don't know what
00:40:20
that was what that charge means proper use of media uh that's podcasting yeah um stalking violation of protect
00:40:30
protection of order found guilty in 2014 in contempt violation of no contact or protective order in 2011. right so this
00:40:39
guy seems creepy but you know mind you we have no reports that Molly claims that she's being
00:40:46
stalked well we also have no evidence that the two would have known each other for any reason at all
00:40:52
um so but just to go back to what you had brought up Captain you are absolutely right I know I just read down
00:40:58
a whole bunch of stuff here but he has in fact been charged with a lot of stuff that was dismissed and I don't have the
00:41:04
particulars of why that was dismissed sometimes people are being charged with something and they're just straight up
00:41:09
innocent right um these protective all we see constantly this violation of protection
00:41:15
order from my understanding he's had some nasty breakups with girlfriends and I think that he is uh maybe not handled
00:41:24
himself in the most gentlemanly way when breaking up with a girlfriend these violations though can be tricky and
00:41:33
to be honest with you if you want to watch about five episodes of the TV show Cops you'll figure out why this charge
00:41:39
and conviction is tricky to try to figure out what that may mean but as the captain was stating that red shirt was
00:41:46
found about a mile from that home now Cheney lived in a trailer home about 500 yards from that farm which he had sold
00:41:55
to a large conglomerate a few years before the farm is located at 2161 47th I'm sorry 470th Avenue and Deep River
00:42:07
which is about 15 miles from Brooklyn it is routinely referred to in the press as
00:42:13
quote pig farm and Cheney is as quote the hog farmer but neither is actually accurate the farm was apparently no
00:42:21
longer a producer of hogs and Cheney was not working there any longer and had not
00:42:27
owned it for a few years well that would leave him with a lot of time on his hands the other way weird thing here
00:42:33
though was I think law enforcement question at least five times and uh they asked him to take a polygraph uh he he
00:42:42
refused and then once that got into the media um I think the he got turned on up on
00:42:49
him a lot and he ended up agreeing to take a polygraph and from the reports I found that he actually passed the
00:42:56
polygraph well the other thing too is the rumors that came about once it was made public that they were talking to
00:43:02
this guy looking at the farm area and asked about the polygraph was the rumors were that they were searching him that
00:43:10
it was a targeted search because that they had possibly law enforcement had possibly found information on Molly's
00:43:16
Fitbit to lead them to this area or had found the Fitbit itself now both of those that's just speculation and
00:43:25
probably not accurate well but law enforcement could be lying on the idea that he passed the polygraph yes we
00:43:33
don't know I mean if they have this information that the Fitbit took them to that location I mean this is your Prime
00:43:40
Suspect then but we don't know what they're holding back the the interview that I found from Fox News Channel he he
00:43:49
appeared to be very nervous he was anxious he was fidgeting um but he made a statement that I hated
00:43:55
was at one point they said uh so law enforcement has questioned you multiple times he goes yeah they're just wasting
00:44:03
my time like well sorry to waste your time dick knows but we got a missing girl here
00:44:11
well I mean like she's a little more important than your precious time dick knows he also said in the uh interview
00:44:18
that the FBI had questioned him for about two hours but he couldn't remember what they had asked him they couldn't he
00:44:26
couldn't remember specific questions um regarding the lie detector test or the polygraph I should say the
00:44:34
information I found he had stated was that he did not know the results of that test to be clear as far as I could find
00:44:43
as of this morning he's not technically been named a person of interest in this case although there must be something or
00:44:50
some reason for them to have questioned him so many times and searched his former property now we do know that they
00:44:58
searched his trailer they searched uh garage and portions of that quote-unquote pig farm well to be fair
00:45:06
to Captain dick knows pig farmer there's some other suspects that the media has been talking about well two
00:45:14
other men were were looked at into that we know of there could be many more but the two that are on the radar so to
00:45:22
speak was uh stemming first from stemming from a situation in early August when police in Dubuque this is a
00:45:29
town on Iowa's border the border with Wisconsin and Illinois they arrested a man accused of assaulting a jogger
00:45:37
assistant police chief Jeremy Jensen told Fox News The Jogger had stated to investigators she was running near the
00:45:46
city's fire station on July 29th when she was approached by a man who had offered her flowers and then tried to
00:45:54
grab her the Dubuque Police Department statement about the incidents read the male subject later identified as Greg
00:46:02
langel age 22 of Dubuque grabbed the female victim's arm when she refused to give him her phone number she was able
00:46:11
to pull her arm away and kicked langel when he tried to grab her again the department said they tracked a
00:46:19
suspicious vehicle observed by traffic cameras in the area of the reported assault back to this individual he has
00:46:27
been charged with assault and was taken into custody as of now the case currently has no ties to Molly's
00:46:34
disappearance that we know of we don't know whether lingo had been targeted had targeted this jogger specifically that
00:46:42
they knew each other although the flowers either that's just super weird or it would seem to me to indicate
00:46:49
more of a specific interest in this individual yeah maybe or is this a complete creep and he decided that oh I
00:46:58
got some flowers and here's this jogger and hey you want some flowers oh you don't want flowers from a stranger you
00:47:06
know let me grab your arm I mean I don't know well the other incidents took a place in Pella which is an hour's Drive
00:47:14
Away From Brooklyn Police took a man in for questioning on July 31st after he was captured on surveillance footage
00:47:21
taking pictures of female joggers the man turned himself in to authorities when he heard that they were looking for
00:47:29
him Pella police chief Robert bokinski told Who TV that the man quote as convertly
00:47:37
as he possibly could took photos of the female joggers unbeknownst to them it seemed to be very creepy end quote now
00:47:47
we should be we gotta we gotta make sure that we State this here this man did come forward they said hey
00:47:54
we're looking for you he comes forward he says I was the guy taking the pictures of the joggers law enforcement
00:48:00
impella comes out later and says hey we've spoke to the man he told us why he was taking the pictures we're not
00:48:06
releasing that information but we want to make you make it aware we have not charged him
00:48:12
with anything and it's not illegal to be in a public place and take pictures so this man's not been charged should
00:48:19
anything it should be if you're just going to drive around and take pictures of people
00:48:25
without them knowing well but again he he explained why he was taking the pictures we don't know what was
00:48:32
explained to law enforcement Now by July 28th a reward amount skyrocketed to over three hundred
00:48:41
thousand dollars now a tactic that we have seen before Captain the parents declared that the award would be
00:48:48
available even to the abductor her parents also started a Facebook group dedicated to the case
00:48:56
now there were believed to be some sightings of Molly while she was still missing one included a sighting at a
00:49:03
truck stop in Kansas City Missouri information I found Captain while it was huge speculation at the time and and
00:49:11
widely regarded by the public that hey Molly could still be alive she could still be out there she was cited at this
00:49:18
truck stop we had her family that came out and said look if she was abducted she would have been fighting this
00:49:25
individual there she wouldn't have been sitting there so you know willing to be there right or just unless she knew the
00:49:32
person correct and the information that I found Captain says that it turned out that it's believed that that sighting is
00:49:40
not accurate that that was not her that was cited on that day and this was this was like the sighting heard around the
00:49:47
world because it was the number one trending thing on Facebook that day yeah and then on August 5th another
00:49:55
incident we have a body of a white woman was found who appeared to be in her mid-20s turned up in Lee County which is
00:50:04
an hour's Drive Southeast of Brooklyn Iowa yeah this turned out to be Sadie Alvarado age 20 and a 20-year a 28 year
00:50:14
old man her boyfriend believed to be her boyfriend has been charged with her death and like I said earlier I mean I I
00:50:21
received personally hundreds of people asking us to cover this case to shine light on the on her disappearance and
00:50:29
now the day that we decide to record the episode and release it to the world they
00:50:35
have now found her body uh it's been a pretty uh tough day yes in our hearts and our thoughts go out to Molly's
00:50:42
family and friends foreign thank everybody for listening thanks for telling a friend thanks for sharing on
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