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her very own home. >> Her husband and her two children survived the ordeal. Now police are
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searching for a suspect. 2 News reporter Morgan Anderson is live at the scene working to learn more. Morgan, what can
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you tell us? Yeah, Jack, Lauren, as you can see behind me, this is the home that's now taped off after a burglary
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gone wrong, which became a homicide. Tipp City police and the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation are actively
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investigating the scene after 37-year-old Ashley Flynn was shot this morning in her home.
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It happened on Cunningham Court just after 2:30 this morning. Police were called for a reported burglary where a
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woman inside the home had been shot. Flynn's husband and two children were present when officers arrived. Flynn was
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announced dead at the scene. Both canines and drones were deployed to look for any suspects, but none were found in
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the search. 2 News spoke with the police on the scene to learn if they had any leads on a suspect or new information.
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However, they were unable to share any information at this time. We also spoke with residents of the neighborhood and
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there was a shared general consensus. They can't believe this happened in their community of all places, nor to
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the Flynn family. The neighbors here are all close. They all keep a good eye out on everybody.
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My sisters lived here for probably 30 years and never had a problem in the neighborhood.
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Yeah, so it's really kind of shocking. That same neighbor and everyone we spoke to in the community says they're
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devastated. >> [music] [music] >> This week my captain friend or I should say this week to all my friends, we are
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heading out to Tipp City, Ohio. Tipp City is a city in southern Miami County, Ohio, nice community. The population is
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a little over 10,000 people. Founded in 1840 as Tippecanoe City, it was renamed in 1938 because, well,
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they didn't want to rock the boat as another town in Ohio was named Tippecanoe. Plus, Tipp City sounds cool.
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The city is in the Miami Valley, just 15 miles north of Dayton, and of course, Tipp City is part of the Dayton
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metropolitan area. Today, we are going to be examining the Ashley Flynn murder case. Ashley Flynn was a middle school
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volleyball coach and a teacher with Tipp City schools. And the school system said
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on its Facebook page, quote, "She was known for her beautiful smile, warmth, kindness, and the positive impact she
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had on so many both in and out of the classroom and on the court." And, quote. Ashley Flynn, a beloved mother, teacher,
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and volleyball coach was murdered in her home. Her husband, Caleb Flynn, a one-time contestant on the ever-popular
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American Idol, he, the husband, reportedly found Ashley's body on February 16th and called 911 to report a
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home invasion. Ashley Flynn was a mother of two young kids and just 37 years old.
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Here is a timeline of the events as they have been unfolding before our eyes. This is all very, obviously, new new
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stuff, and this story caught our eyes, and so now we bring it to you, the beautiful listeners.
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All right, starting this off here, it's 2:31 a.m. Very early morning hours, Monday, February 16th. Let's remember
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that this was Presidents' Day, so some folks didn't have work that Monday morning. Tipp City police
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officers were dispatched to the Flynn home in the 1900 block of Cunningham Court in Tipp City following a frantic
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911 call from the victim's husband, 39-year-old Caleb Flynn. The call to emergency services was in
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reference to a reported burglary, possible home invasion, with a resident inside identified by the caller as his
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wife, Ashley Flynn, who had been shot in the head. Let's start off, Captain, with
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an examination of the call to 911. Again, now let's keep in mind that this is very early morning hours of Monday,
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February 16th. Oh my god. Miami County 911. Oh my god, somebody somebody broke into
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my home. Somebody broke into my home and they shot my wife. Are they still in there? I I don't know. I don't know.
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>> Okay, what's the address? 932 Cunningham Court, Tipp City, Ohio. Please, please hurry. Please, please
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hurry. What are you What are you seeing? My wife is She's got two shots to her head. There's
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blood everywhere. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Can you please, please hurry? All right,
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ma'am, I need you to take a deep breath, okay? Do you still see anybody in the house? No, the door to the garage was
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wide open. Please hurry, please. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. My daughters are here. My My daughters
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are here. Where is she at? She's in the bed. She's in the bed. Are you with her?
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Yeah, I am in the room. I'm looking at her. Yes, please. Okay. You got to have the door locked?
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We have the the doors to the garage locked, but he's in the house. Yes, please. Wake up. Wake up.
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Wait. Where Where is that room at in the house? My partner's getting them dispatched, okay, but I need you to
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answer my questions so I can get you help as fast as I can, okay? What What question? Where are you guys
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at in the house? I am in the bedroom with her right now. My daughter's in their room.
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So, you're not You are not with the children? I was with the children when it happened.
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Okay, but you're not with them now? No, they're in their room. They're not even awake. Oh my god. Oh my god.
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Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Sir, please. Please. Please. They're They're heading that way, okay? I need
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you to take a deep breath for me. I think so. Are you hearing anything? No. I I rubbed her leg and and said her name.
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She's not answering. Okay. Your daughter's not answering you? I'm sorry. No. Hold on. I'm putting on my phone.
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What did you say? What did you say? Your Your daughter's not answering you? No, they're in the other They're in the
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classroom in the other in their room. Okay. Are you hearing any kind of noise inside the house?
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No. No. Her face is Oh, sir, her face is >> [clears throat] >> white as a ghost. Please hurry.
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Okay. Whose Whose face? My wife's face. Your wife's face? The one Yes, the one who was shot.
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She was She was what? Shot, I said. Okay. Where was she shot at? In the head. In the head. I don't
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know. There's blood everywhere. Okay. Is she breathing? I I don't know. I don't think so.
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Ashley. Ashley, baby. Baby, please. Oh my god, they're so She's not Okay, she's not responding to you? No.
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No. No. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Okay, do you see anybody in the house
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now? No. It's No, it's pitch black and the doors are locked. The door to the living to the garage
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door was wide open when I went in there. Okay, do you see any kind of vehicles? Um
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Um No. No. No. Wait. No, the the the the door There's a side door in my garage door that's open by the Oh my
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god. Oh my Okay. Oh my god. Okay, I need you to just take a deep breath for me, okay? They're getting to
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you as quick as they can. Is that door still open? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Okay.
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What do I do? What do I do? What do I do? Is Is Is she breathing at all? I [clears throat] don't think so. Oh,
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there's too much blood. Oh my god. >> Okay. Okay. If if you are comfortable, I want
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you to go and find a cloth, and I want you to put a cloth on that gunshot wound, okay?
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A A like a towel? Yes, like a towel, but do not apply direct pressure to it. Just
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put it on that blood wound, okay? Okay. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Okay, I need you to just take
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a deep breath for me, okay? Okay. Okay. Just get that cloth and I want you to put it on that wound, but don't apply
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direct pressure to it, okay? They're coming to you as quick as they can, okay? I just laid it on her head.
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Okay. Where are the juveniles? Are they okay? Have you checked on them? They're I haven't checked on them. Okay.
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Can Can you go check on the juveniles for me? The police is here. The police is here.
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Okay, can you go check on the juveniles for me? The The cops just pulled up. They just
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They just left. They just left. Okay, I need you to go check on the juveniles for me, okay?
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They're still They're still sleeping. They're still sleeping. Okay, you still see them breathing? You don't see any
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wounds on them? No. No. The cops just The cops just pulled away. Sir, sir, sir. The cop The cop is here.
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Okay, I want you to Okay, open the door for him so he can get in to her, okay? Okay, he's running
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He's coming to me. Sir, please, sir. What is I don't know. There's a The door to the
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glass door was wide open. I'm her I'm his the her husband. No, I don't think so.
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He put the dog somewhere. Yes. Come Get me something to put >> [laughter] >> Get me a
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I got to search the house first. Okay. Hey, ma'am ma'am, do you still have me on the phone here?
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I don't think But I went to I didn't use the door. All the way to the right. That one's open.
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Behind the He's not breathing. He's not breathing. >> [clears throat] >> Yes. He's Right here. Right here.
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I got to open the door. >> [clears throat] >> We have transcribed that call. We won't
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go through every word of it. It's a lengthy 911 call. Of course, as usual, you hear a bit of confusion between the
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husband reporting what uh he says is happening or has happened inside the home. Uh little confusion in that
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communication between him and the 911 personnel receiving the call early on, but you can hear at the end there,
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Captain, uh police very obviously on the scene where he's interacting with the officer
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that responds. There's a lot of I I I hate these, right? Because we often times try to analyze these, and
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that's that's what we should do. We should pick them apart and see what we are hearing and tell you what we think
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we are hearing, but it's always such a difficult thing to do because all of these calls are equally as
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individualized as the individual making the call themselves. Is it just me or with the
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recent 911 calls that we've featured on the show that we've had to put on the show, is there there might be a strategy
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to this or maybe it's part of the training, but if it seems to me like the 911 personnel has a hard time of
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understanding what's going on, the simplicity of what the report is. I thankfully I've never had to be in
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those shoes and take these types of calls, but it it's it always feels like there's a little like pushback on some
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of the the statements, but maybe that's trying to double down and get information, get more information, and
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get insights from the first what would be, right? This typically the person calling 911 is your first witness.
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Usually when there's a 911 call, especially of this nature, there's going to be some sort of investigation that is
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going to take place. Well, yeah, and who's going to get this call? The public's going to get this call, so
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that's important, but also the investigators are going to get this call. And I have reason to believe that
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they heard this 911 call and then they thought man, some of this stuff is just not adding up correctly. The call starts
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off with saying that someone broke into my home. The dispatcher wanting to know is that
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person, the intruder, still there? The caller, which we now know is to be Caleb Flynn, the husband and father, says, "I
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don't know." The address is given. He's telling him to calm down. I need you to take a deep breath. Is it Is it just me
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or does he refer to Does he say ma'am? a couple of times. We've We've had this in previous calls, too, and you can kind
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of hear Caleb's voice is is heightened certainly during this. There's a lot of Caleb repeating
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the same short quick sentences over and over and over again. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. I don't know.
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I don't know. Think you know, just Again, I hate to try to dissect it, but >> No, but it's what we do naturally. I
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mean, when we hear these calls, Mhm. just like the listeners, they hear these calls,
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there's things that are popping in your head. I mean, it's like you just shoveled down a bunch of pop rocks and
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and your ideas are exploding. I mean, when he says, "My wife's been shot twice in the head." My first thought was like,
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"Have I ever heard a 911 call where they're being that detailed?" And I know it's because
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most of the time it's just like, "I think this is what happened." Or "Maybe this is what happened." Or Or
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again, "If she's shot in the head, why don't you just say, 'My wife, she's in bed. I think she's dead. She was shot
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in the head.'" Right? It's like a Dr. Seuss book, right? And I want to know without looking
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at the crime scenes, but was it very obvious that she was shot twice in the head? I like that that stood out for you
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because that stood out to me as well. I was like, "Well, that seems awfully specific." And then listening to this
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over and over again, I'm not going to lie, man. I Sometimes I'm hearing him say that she was shot twice and and on
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some occasions I feel like I'm hearing him say shot three times, but regardless of what number he's throwing out there,
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he's throwing out a specific number. Now, while I found that to be suspiciously specific, Yeah. I
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then I got to thinking about it. I mean, he's he's not He's saying that he's in the home when this happened. So, he
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would have heard the shots. Um so, that Yeah, that would make some sense to me that he may know what that
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number is or have a belief of what that number to be. I I But, I agree with you.
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It's It's still a strange part of the 911 call. Probably the strangest part of the 911 call to me though is when he's
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saying that I you know, is the intruder still in my home your home? I don't know. I don't know.
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So, that leaves the door open that the the the shooter could still be in your home and he's
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saying at some point that he's not with his children. Like Yeah. I need you to be a dad here, man.
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Like, I understand that this this is a situation that nobody should ever be faced with or be in, but I don't know.
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I'm just trying to put myself in his shoes. If I'm sitting there for a I mean, yes, I want to know what's going
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on with my wife, but I don't know that for a for a a second I had to stop my self from using a expletive there.
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I don't know for a I don't think I could leave I'm not leaving my kids alone at all if there's any chance that this
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shooter or whoever this person may be is still in my home. So, that goes to my first question that I have for you. If
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this is you in this situation and you Well, one, if this happens in the middle of the
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night, Mhm. why are you not sleeping in the bed? Cuz from everything I've read, she's found in the bed. Yeah. So, was he
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sleeping on the couch? And how many times have we had these cases where it's like somebody broke into our house and
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killed somebody in the house and I just happened to not be sleeping where I normally sleep. Yeah, that it it's
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bizarre because it's like the spouse is always on the couch or in it was room. And this is 2:00 in the morning, and
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I I Yeah, I wondered the same thing. And I have portions of the police report, which are very specific of some of these
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details, and we'll get into that. The other thing that I thought was strange, too, Captain, was the is she alive? I
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think is the 911 operator's asking, and he's like, "I rubbed her leg, and she's not responding."
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Again, look, I don't know this dude. I don't I can't Maybe this is totally normal for him.
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Again, nobody knows how they would react in the My guess is I would be falling at
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at her, you know, falling to her. I wouldn't I wouldn't be rubbing her leg to see if she responds. I And I know
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that especially with head trauma, uh back injuries, neck injuries, you got to be concerned about keeping the the
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person still. That's always something you need to keep in mind, but I I don't think that I'm rubbing her leg and
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>> Yeah, but a lot of people say, again to reference a case, JonBenét Ramsey, she's
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on the floor, and the dad falls on top of her and picks her up. Mhm. And that's something that's very
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common. I I came home, and my wife was on the floor in the kitchen, and I got on top her of her, and I and I
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grabbed her, and I hugged her. Mhm. It's almost like a natural instinct to try to
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be protective. But my question to you, and I'll just give you what I think I would do, is if I'm in
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the house, and I then whether I hear the gunshots or not, at at some point you see
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your dead wife in the bed. And if there's multiple gunshots to the head, there's going to be blood.
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And because she's laying in a certain direction, and all the item you know, she's not
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[clears throat] on a concrete floor. So all those >> Right. the pillow and the the sheets
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everything's going to be collecting blood. If I'm in that moment and my kids are in the house,
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my first thought is not to call 911. I need to get to my freaking kids. So then you get to your kids and then
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then The way he explains it, he's with the kids when this happened and then he leaves them to check on the
00:25:25
wife and then he's still gone from the kids while he's on the 911 call. That's again that doesn't make any sense to me
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cuz let's just say hypothetically I'm sleeping in the room with my kids and I hear some gunshots. My first thought is
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I need to protect these kids. I need to make sure whatever's happening out there
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doesn't get into this room and maybe at that point I'm calling 911 to say somebody's
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shooting in my house. I'm in the room with my kids. I need police officers here now, right?
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Because if you hear gunshots and you don't have a gun on you, you're just going to
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walk out? I I I could see the other thing too of there's danger and I will run towards
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that danger. But my first thoughts would be anger and and protectiveness towards whoever
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I'm around in that that household. So I think then when he sees again, I don't know if you can buy much of his story or
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not, but it's like once you see her laying there and you don't know if this person is in the house,
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he doesn't seem that concerned. I mean, I've I've heard stories of guys that have like actual fighting
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training you know, martial arts or maybe they're boxers or whatever and something there's somebody breaking
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into their house and they run towards the danger. Because the thought would be if I can
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sneak up on this person or if I can if I can show such aggressive nature towards
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this individual, no matter if they have a gun or a knife, maybe I can overpower them or whatever. So, I just don't I
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don't think a lot of his story is adding up. Yeah, and he seems to be moving through the house without a lot
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of great concern if the intruder's still in there, which multiple times he says he doesn't know if the intruder's still
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in there. And again, away from the kids. Now, here's where look my apologies to the 911 personnel there.
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This is where the emergency services taking the call smarter than yours truly because
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we have the husband, Caleb, says, "Oh, sir, her her face is white as a ghost. Please help me, okay?" And the the
00:27:50
operator's saying, "Who? Whose face?" And he clarifies, "My wife's face." See, that's where the 911 operator's smarter
00:27:57
than me because I already made the assumption hearing that call at that portion of the call that he would be
00:28:04
referring to his wife's face. So, but but what's smart about that is we don't know whose face if if the intruder still
00:28:11
is in the home, it's not inconceivable that the intruder would be a woman. So, to hear her face is as white as a ghost,
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that's smart to request him to clarify whose face are you talking about? >> also not crazy to think that there might
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be another victim. Mhm. Yes. So, I think some of it is a tactic to keep them talking because
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maybe they'll slip up and say something that later on we can use against them. I
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I will say too, uh when Caleb is moving throughout the home, and some of this is at the request
00:28:48
of the 911 personnel who says if you could get a cloth, some type of cloth to put on the gunshot wound, possibly
00:28:56
attempt to slow the the bleeding there. So, some of that movement is based off of what he's been instructed or asked to
00:29:02
do. At one point, he does say that the there's a side door in my garage that's open. And I think he says in the corner.
00:29:13
I couldn't make out exactly what word he's saying there, but he does say that there's a side door in my
00:29:20
garage that's open, and I I will say to my ear, as he's describing that, it's he
00:29:27
sounds surprised to me. Like he's describing something that he's seeing or or recognizing for the first time.
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>> Yeah, and I think there's some speculation on was there items that were in front of that door that would have to
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be moved for it to be opened. So, >> Yeah, and you'll you see that in the police report, which is
00:29:51
which is intriguing here. So, Yeah, but to be clear to the listeners, there's Caleb on in the house. We have
00:30:00
Ashley, his wife, in the house. She's found in the bed, but I don't think there's any sign of life.
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And then he has two children in the house, and we don't have any other individuals in that family
00:30:14
in the Flynn house. There is likely their two dogs inside the home as well. >> Right. But I'm guessing what kind of
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dogs are there or we got German Shepherds, do we got pit bulls, or do we have Yorkies? Because I think that
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matters. Like when I had a Yorkie, that Yorkie was not going to stop anybody. Uh was it going to scare anybody either.
00:30:38
No, and and typically any variety of dog is terrified by extremely loud noises which
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I would assume that you know, unless this perpetrator had a silencer or some kind of suppressor this
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these would be loud gunshots. These for my understanding there are golden doodles are the
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00:37:11
here, Captain, but some portions of this would just be easier for me to read it in first person
00:37:16
cuz it's written in first person. I didn't respond to the scene. Uh So, let's be clear. Just be clear.
00:37:22
Just to be clear. Yeah. On Monday, February 16th at approximately 0240 hours, Captain Smith contacted me
00:37:31
regarding a homicide scene where Sergeant Rismiller was present. So, this is the
00:37:36
This report is coming from the responding detective, okay? So, police have already been on the scene and the
00:37:44
detective is writing his report from the time he receives the call to arrive on the scene and then what he witnessed
00:37:51
once there. So, he says, "I immediately reached out to Sergeant Rismiller who was working the night shift. He informed
00:37:57
me that officers had been dispatched to 932 Cunningham Court in the city of Tipp
00:38:03
City for a burglary in progress. The reporting party identified Caleb Flynn had told dispatch that someone had
00:38:12
broken into his home. He also reported that he did not know if the suspect was still inside the residence.
00:38:20
Additionally, Caleb reported that the garage door was open and his wife had been shot in the head and was not
00:38:26
responding. Sergeant Rissmiller advised that upon his arrival at the scene, he cleared the
00:38:33
residence and located a female later identified as Ashley lying in bed with a gunshot wound to the head. To protect
00:38:41
the integrity of the crime scene, he instructed that only a single medic enter the home to aid the victim while
00:38:48
minimizing contamination. That's smart. As he entered the residence, he observed
00:38:54
that the side door to the garage remained open. So, this would be what Caleb had mentioned in the 911 call.
00:39:02
Proceeding to the master bedroom on the northeast side of the home, he again observed the female, Ashley, in her bed
00:39:10
appearing to have been shot in the head. Based on his observations, he believed the case was a homicide noting two gun
00:39:19
shell casings on the bedroom floor near the foot of the bed. So, we have two gun
00:39:26
shell casings per this report that were found on the bedroom floor near the foot of
00:39:31
the bed. I don't know her positioning in the bed and this report doesn't give that, but at that hour, it wouldn't be
00:39:39
crazy to assume that she was sleeping Right. >> and that her head would be at the head
00:39:43
of the bed and her feet at the foot of the bed. This based off of where these gun shell casings fell, we can surmise
00:39:52
that the shooter likely stood at the foot of the bed, aimed toward the victim, and and fired the gun. It goes
00:39:59
on to state, "After responding to the scene, I, the detective, spoke with the reporting party, Caleb Flynn, to obtain
00:40:07
permission to enter the home and observe the crime scene. Caleb signed a consent
00:40:13
form authorizing me and other Tipp City Police Department personnel to enter. Detective Klein and I then entered the
00:40:20
residence and conducted a walk-through of the master bedroom where I observed two gun shell casings near the foot of
00:40:27
the bed. We also observed Ashley lying in the bed with what appeared to be a gunshot wound to the head.
00:40:35
So, they're doubling down on some of the information, but it's clarifying that more than one person is witnessing these
00:40:44
details at the crime scene. No, and I think it's also smart, but also we have some evidence. So, we
00:40:53
have these shell casings. So, we're going to learn a little bit about what type of gun, and also was there any
00:41:00
evidence, DNA, fingerprints on the shell casings? And if not, do we have any cleaning
00:41:07
agents on the shell casings? Upon exiting the master bedroom, we moved to the garage and observed a side door on
00:41:15
the north side of the home that was open. While examining the door, we noticed a large refrigerator, this goes
00:41:22
to what you were talking about here, Captain, positioned directly in front of it. It being the door.
00:41:29
The placement indicated that the refrigerator would have had to have been pushed
00:41:34
in order to open the door. So, given that description, it sounds like this refrigerator would partially block the
00:41:42
opening to the store or completely block one from opening the door. Yeah, and so I want to know what's in
00:41:51
the refrigerator, how heavy is this, how easy is it to be moved. Everybody's garages are
00:41:58
different, but is it a concrete floor? Is there some rug, or is it on some rubber mat?
00:42:05
How easy is it to push this away? Because to play devil's advocate, this be something that Caleb is staging,
00:42:16
but this also could be some kind of evidence of an actual intruder. Mhm. And I would like a better description of
00:42:25
this refrigerator. It's not necessary per this report, but keep in mind doors to your home open
00:42:33
inward, not out. So, if an intruder entered the home via this door, they wouldn't have the ability to be on the
00:42:43
inside of this door to move the refrigerator. They They would have to open the door either enough to then move
00:42:51
the refrigerator or open the door and move the door pushing the refrigerator at the same time, if if even possible.
00:42:58
Yeah. And I I'd want to know that. I'd want to do just some preliminary testing myself before A- And
00:43:07
again, and maybe it's something that you don't have to make your mind up on completely to to have charges against
00:43:13
somebody. While in the garage, we observed two vehicles, a 2024 Ford truck with an Ohio license plate and a 2016
00:43:21
Chrysler with an Ohio license plate. After walking the area, another officer informed me that while clearing the
00:43:28
house, he had observed the center console of the Ford truck to be open. He relayed that Caleb had told him that his
00:43:38
handgun was typically kept in that console. This I have a problem with because I don't know why you'd keep your
00:43:45
gun in your car. But again, I don't know why he owns a gun. People buy guns for many reasons,
00:43:53
but one of them is protection. And so, did he have a job or was there something in his lifestyle where he felt safer by
00:44:02
carrying the gun in the vehicle or maybe And maybe it was a compromise with his wife. I want a gun for protection, but
00:44:08
she's like, "I don't want a gun in the house." So, did he keep the gun in in the car
00:44:14
because that was their compromise. Yeah. Did she know that he had a gun? Would be another
00:44:19
thing that would be interesting to know. That And when did he buy this gun? I think it's a smart question. I think
00:44:25
that it's something that many folks would question, and I'm glad that it that it's questioned here. However, I
00:44:32
do think that storing a gun in a vehicle, or at least from time to time, might be a little more common than
00:44:40
than most folks may believe to be. I I mean, I know if I go on a road trip, I have a gun in
00:44:47
my car. When I drive to the Waffle House, I'm not packing. I know people that carry a gun with them every time
00:44:54
they're in a vehicle. I'm not of that group. >> only pack when I'm going to Waffle
00:45:00
House. >> But if I if I'm do if I'm going on a road trip, I have a gun in my vehicle
00:45:05
with me. Now, Right. >> to in his defense, and and and you you were smart with some of that, like maybe
00:45:12
it was a compromise that he wanted a gun, she didn't want it in the house, and so they they will live with it in
00:45:17
the garage. I want and I expect gun owners to be as incredibly thoroughly responsible as
00:45:29
possible, as humanly possible. What does that mean? I don't care especially if there are kids in the
00:45:36
home, which we know we have young kids, two of them, inside this home, living there. It especially if you have kids,
00:45:42
but even if you don't, I think that a responsible gun owner keeps their firearms or firearm locked up. And some
00:45:52
consoles some consoles do lock. And and one creative way, if you don't have a gun safe, might be
00:46:00
to keep your gun in the vehicle, in the console whether it locks or not with the
00:46:04
with the vehicle locked and alarm set and keys in a position where the kids cannot get to them. Yeah, my argument
00:46:11
against that though would be out of all the things that you have access to your parents
00:46:16
you might not feel comfortable going into their closet or going underneath their bed or
00:46:22
certain parts of their their room. To me when you have a family even with small children the
00:46:29
car becomes more of a common place and that's that's what I don't like about that. But there are you know again
00:46:35
responsible gun owners that not only have it locked in their console but there might be a however they're
00:46:41
storing the gun might be a locked box in itself. My big question though is do we find the gun in that console? No.
00:46:50
Well, they don't outright say so but it sounds to be that they didn't find the handgun
00:46:57
which remember in the report the police report they describe it as a handgun. Again the truck would allow would offer
00:47:03
something that that a common lock box wouldn't where there's an actual alarm that would be
00:47:09
triggered and go off if somebody tried to access that vehicle for any reason especially if they were attempting to
00:47:15
get that gun out of there. The gun will will circle back to the gun. Yeah, but but here's the thing though is so right
00:47:22
now if I'm an investigator I have to believe that somebody broke into this guy's house
00:47:28
knew where he stored the gun if the gun is not present anymore. Mhm. That gun now we have some shell casings.
00:47:38
So there I'm sure the gun is registered on some level so then you get to know what kind of gun that was and that's
00:47:44
something he can't fib on afterwards to piece together this puzzle I'm going somebody breaks into your house and they
00:47:51
they have to go through the side door on the garage and move the refrigerator and then get into your car which you
00:47:59
didn't have locked which is fine. You didn't have it locked, but you have a gun in it, so not fine that it's not
00:48:06
locked. And then this person took your gun, again if it's not present, and used it
00:48:11
to kill your wife. And presumably And you seem Right. And you seem not so worried that there's an intruder
00:48:20
in your house. >> Yes. That's [laughter] the That's what we're led to believe anyway
00:48:26
based off of what limited information we have here. Like I One thing that will come out eventually that we don't have
00:48:34
in our Batman utility belt to tell this story is what were the movements of the persons in that home prior to the 911
00:48:42
call. What were they doing earlier that day on that Sunday night? That These are all
00:48:48
things that that jump in my mind of of details that I would like to know. A brief description of the home. It's a
00:48:55
It's a ranch style home, three-car garage. It looks to be positioned at the end of a cul-de-sac. Nice home, nice
00:49:03
neighborhood, nice street. And this is a very Tip City very low crime in Tip City. So, continuing on with our
00:49:12
timeline here at 2:40 a.m. We're still President's Day, Monday, February 16th. The overnight Tip City sergeant alerted
00:49:21
detectives. We talked about the detective responding on the scene here. The Ohio Bureau of Criminal
00:49:28
Investigation was contacted and sent to the scene to collect evidence. They have the evidence
00:49:37
processing team that arrived on the scene and they made arrangements Law enforcement made arrangements for Ashley
00:49:44
Flynn's family to come to the house to get the couple's two elementary age daughters
00:49:51
who had been sleeping inside to take them and move them to another location. From the police report after two
00:49:58
detectives completed their walk-through of the scene, they contacted BCI to request an evidence processing team and
00:50:06
met with Caleb, the husband, and coordinated with Miami County Victim Witness to arrange the removal of the
00:50:12
juvenile children from the home. Miami County Victim Witness was present during the removal. At 4:28
00:50:22
Caleb Flynn agreed to speak voluntarily with police and was taken to the Tipp City Police Department. Again, per the
00:50:29
affidavit, the police report, once the children had been removed, I, the detective, spoke with Caleb Flynn to ask
00:50:36
him if he would be willing to come voluntarily to the police department to speak with us. He agreed at
00:50:42
approximately 0428 hours on February 16th, Caleb was transported to the Tipp City
00:50:50
Police Department for an interview. It was at 5:54 a.m. that same day that Tipp City Police Chief Greg Atkins issued the
00:51:00
first press release regarding the homicide inves- investigation and identified the victim as Ashley Flynn.
00:51:08
We spoke briefly at the top of the show about who Ashley was, but who was Ashley
00:51:14
Flynn? This from the Dayton Daily News, Ashley coached seventh grade girls volleyball
00:51:20
at Tippecanoe Middle School and worked as a substitute teacher for Tipp City Schools, where she also was a
00:51:29
former full-time teacher. For the past year, she had served as a teacher for Lifewise Academy in Tipp City, a
00:51:37
nonprofit that provides Bible-based education to public school students away from campus during school hours. Yeah,
00:51:46
so I think like a lot of typical families in America, you have young kids, she is a full-time teacher,
00:51:56
she has a lot going on. She I know that she also works for her church, and she's a coach as well. And so she's
00:52:05
touching a lot of people in that community's lives and affecting a lot of their lives. And then so I think at some
00:52:12
point it seems like she goes to part-time, continuing to do all of her, let's say, side projects, but this is
00:52:20
kind of common because child care costs are so expensive. And so by having one parent working, let's say, part-time,
00:52:29
they can run around the, you know, they can run the kids to different sporting events
00:52:34
and activities and help with the homework and all that stuff. As for Ashley's family,
00:52:40
while still working as a music pastor, Ashley's husband, Caleb Flynn, in 2013 appeared as a contestant on the 12th
00:52:49
season of American Idol. During an interview for the show, he shared, {quote} "I love my wife more
00:52:57
than anything. She is very, very pretty. I love her." {end quote} Neighbors said
00:53:02
the Flynns and their two elementary-age daughters are often seen outside with the family's two golden doodles.
00:53:10
They have a volleyball net set up in the backyard, a basketball hoop along the driveway, and they would often toss a
00:53:17
softball outside. >> Yeah, it was a a beautiful neighborhood, and a pretty large neighborhood, but it
00:53:24
seemed like there was some space between the houses. They lived in a ranch. I believe there
00:53:29
was a three-car garage. But what's interesting about where they were situated was they're in a court. So
00:53:37
that's going to that's going to do some good things for us as far as during the investigation,
00:53:42
because if we have any cameras on the other houses, we might be able to get some kind of surveillance.
00:53:50
But also what's interesting about their house is their house partly backs up to another court,
00:53:57
but it also backs up to a field. So there's not a row of houses directly behind their house. Shortly before noon
00:54:05
on that Monday, the Reverend, his name is Jordan Hansen, the lead pastor of the Christian Life Center, the family the
00:54:13
Flynn family's church, informed members of the church that, quote, "A beloved member of our church,
00:54:20
devoted servant of Jesus, and wife, mother, daughter, and so many other roles she filled with grace,
00:54:27
devotion, and unconditional love was murdered in her home. Ashley Flynn is with Jesus.
00:54:33
Please pray for her husband and two daughters and extended family left behind. Please pray for
00:54:41
the ongoing investigation. Please pray for God's very presence to bring comfort to an unfathomable
00:54:49
situation." Just before noon that day, Captain, we have Chief Greg Atkins, the police chief for Tipp City, issued a
00:54:58
second press release stating, "This investigation will take time as investigators continue to
00:55:04
collect, process, and analyze all evidence at the scene." The release also asked, this is
00:55:11
something you were getting to, asked for anyone in the community with information, specifically video footage.
00:55:17
So much talk about Nest cameras, Ring doorbell cameras, Simply Safe cameras, ADT. We we are very lucky to be living
00:55:26
in a day and age where you can equip your home with these security measures. And like we've said on this show before,
00:55:33
at least in my case, Captain, I like to get even. Even if I can't prevent you from harming me, I at least want your
00:55:39
ass to get caught. Uh so so put them on camera. >> you're going to be It's going to be
00:55:44
videotaped, sir. I mean, there's been many things that we have said on the shows and also guests that have said,
00:55:50
"Hey, if if a crime is happening, then do X, Y, or Z." And it gives you a chance. Well, if you don't know if
00:55:58
you're going to live and you fight like hell, you might not even just be fighting for your life. It might be
00:56:05
fight for your life, but also fight for justice because you're going to collect so much DNA evidence.
00:56:11
And one of the things that's interesting in this case is I saw on one of the crime shows
00:56:16
where they actually took the whole neighborhood and they did a 3D rendering. And where I think this is
00:56:22
becomes important, like I said with the with the Flynns living in a court, we're
00:56:26
going to have some more opportunities to have different angles of their house and the surrounding. Now,
00:56:33
you might not get so much of that from the back because they backed up to a field, but they're deep within side the
00:56:41
development. Meaning, we should have evidence of There's There's not a million streets
00:56:48
that lead to their court. And and you're right, given the them being well into that cul-de-sac
00:56:56
near the end of it, you have homes that are positioned differently than they would be on a typical street. So, you
00:57:03
you you have the opportunity here if folks have those cameras set up to have multiple angles.
00:57:11
And like you said, and just like the Tipp City Police Department was asking, they
00:57:16
were requesting any video footage that anybody may have. And this is the thing, don't
00:57:21
do not review it and go, "Well, I don't need to see it. Send it in. I didn't see
00:57:25
anything." Call the police department and just give it to them. Let them review it. That's
00:57:29
their job. That's what That's what our taxpayer dollars go to their department for, for them to analyze it, and for
00:57:36
them to decide if anything is of importance. Well, and one of the nice things about living See, I live in a
00:57:43
development that's kind of out in the country. So, at 2:00 something in the morning on
00:57:51
a Sun- Or well, actually it'd be Monday morning, but Sunday going into Monday, if you're driving back in my
00:57:58
neighborhood and you're not parking the car to get in your house cuz you live there, you probably shouldn't be in my
00:58:03
neighborhood. And I'm guessing that this neighborhood was similar. And like you said, with some people not
00:58:09
working the next day, you just have You're going to have less movement. And so, what what we're not clear on unless
00:58:17
you know this information, we just have a call. We don't have him stating that he heard the gunshots, right?
00:58:26
>> Right. Right, he doesn't say that in the call. Right. So, we Now, the cops might
00:58:31
have some collection of evidence or collection of information that he gave them that might
00:58:38
not be truthful information, but that is going to focus our timeline down more. But, if he's making this call, again,
00:58:47
early morning hours on Monday, again, even at 10:00, 11:00 at night, these types of neighborhoods, they they
00:58:56
calm down. There's less movement. So, we should have a really good idea of Do we have cars coming in? And because
00:59:05
there's so many houses, you might get the car on multiple cameras, which then would give you multiple angles and
00:59:14
possibly identifier, like a bumper sticker or a license plate. >> Yeah, and I would think I mean, 10,000
00:59:22
people live in this city. That's That's not a heavily populated area, so I would wager a Franklin that on most
00:59:30
Sunday nights after 6:00 7:00 p.m. that unless there's something major going on in Tipp City, which oftentimes
00:59:38
there wouldn't be, I bet you Tipp City's pretty much a ghost town Right. >> come 6:00 7:00 o'clock on a Sunday
00:59:44
night. And And keep in mind, this is February. It gets dark It's still getting dark pretty early. This is
00:59:49
Sunday night going into Monday and Monday very early in the morning when the 911 call comes in. On that same day,
00:59:56
the Tipp City's city manager, his name is Eric Mack, he released a statement that said in part, "The city manager and
01:00:05
members of city council are deeply saddened by the tragic events that took place. Our thoughts and prayers are with
01:00:12
the family and loved ones of the victim during this difficult time. The safety of our residents remains our highest
01:00:19
priority. Tipp City has always been a close-knit community and moments like this impact us all." Now, typically we
01:00:27
wouldn't hear from the city manager in cases that that we cover. I think it points out to the safety
01:00:37
and the the the lack, thankfully, of violent crime that takes place in Tipp City. So, Tipp City violent crime rates,
01:00:46
basically this city experiences two violent crimes a year. So, it's it's roughly like one violent crime per 5,000
01:00:55
people that live there. You have roughly 10,000 people that live there. That breaks down to roughly only two violent
01:01:01
crimes committed in Tipp City each year. And And to be clear, most years that's not a homicide. In
01:01:09
fact, this city, many, many years without a homicide or even a non-negligent manslaughter. So, a very
01:01:17
safe area as far as violent crime rates go. Well, and what's also interesting this
01:01:23
case is not just that the husband is heavily involved in the church, being a pastor himself, and a worship leader,
01:01:30
and performing music at the church, but his wife's involved in the church, so their whole
01:01:36
family's involved in the church, so anybody that goes to a church knows that if there's something going wrong with a
01:01:42
member and that they can take take up a collection to help them at the end of the service, you'll often see that.
01:01:50
And so, I'm assuming that's going on in the church, but also they're setting up a GoFundMe. I don't know if that was
01:01:57
through the church or if that was just through a friend, but everybody in that town that and I I think this is
01:02:03
important. If they have a collection going and somebody sets up a GoFundMe and everybody is saying, "Hey, look,
01:02:10
Caleb is this great guy. He's involved in the church. All the neighbors are saying great
01:02:15
things about him." There wasn't a lot of speculation that Caleb was involved in this crime
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until the cops make an arrest. Yeah, so let's let's go down that road for just a
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second and and add a little color to that because we have Tuesday morning the Cunningham Court where the Flynn family
01:02:36
lived, their neighbors are being interviewed by the local media there. And they these neighbors are
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expressing shock, of course, sadness, but also fear over the death of Ashley Flynn and the
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reported home invasion with one neighbor saying specifically that she is getting
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ready to install a security system that day or later that week. Remember, we recommend SimpliSafe.
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Neighbors and then to to expand on the the family here, those same neighbors said that at
01:03:12
Christmas time This is stuff that almost makes you choke up when you hear about these
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horrible tragedies. They say Christmas time, the Flynn family would bake cookies and have the two little girls
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deliver the goodies door to door to to the people on the street. >> It's sad too because I that's
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that's one of the best ways you can teach your kids is by setting the example. You can sit
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there and tell them all all you want to care about others and be kind to others.
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And you know, this is a neighbor it's a nice neighborhood. So it's not that the neighbors needed cookies made for them,
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but it's a kind thing to do. And then obviously I I think one of the perks if if you have a church community in
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your life, one of those perks is that the children see people in the community in the church community trying
01:04:12
to help others in in the community. >> [music] [music] >> So much more to get to in this Tip City
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