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talk some true crime [Music] a young mother tracy sissom goes missing seemingly vanishing into thin air
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later her vehicle turns up under mysterious circumstances this case is not without witnesses nor
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evidence in fact some of the items found in tracy's vehicle provide much concern but
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could also provide some answers a strange mystery couple is linked to this case but are overshadowed
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by a violent man then a body is found by pure happenstance in rural indiana the remains are unidentifiable so
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decompose that detectives cannot determine the gender of the remains but detectives were convinced they were
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dealing with a homicide the body was wrapped in a quilt and tossed into a wooded ravine
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someone discarded this individual out there in the woods like garbage who could do such a thing
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and why now it's 17 years later and this case is still unsolved this is true crime garage
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and this is the case of tracy sisson [Music] let's go back to thursday october 7
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2004 this week's true crime story takes us to a rural area of the great hoosier state indiana today we will be starting
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off in brown county indiana near the bartholomew county line brown county is in the southern portion of indiana but
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brown county is pretty much in the center of the state on this thursday we have a man named pete jones driving on
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nelson ridge road east of the town of nalbone that's an ominous sounding town name
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it was nighttime and it was dark suddenly his heart jumped as a deer leapt into the road he slammed on his
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brakes his tires screeched as the brakes locked up but it was too late deer versus truck is never good for the
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vehicle or the deer the two collided with a loud crash the truck came to a stop and the deer
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somehow managed to run off pete was shaken and stirred cautiously he drove off glancing around
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to make sure there were no more oncoming bambi's when he got home he got out of his truck
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and he realized that one of his running lights was missing of course it must have come off in the collision
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he decided mainly because these lights are 75 dollars a piece he would be going back
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during daylight hours and hopes that he could recover the missing running light and that it would be in working order
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when he locates it so the very next day friday october 8th pete drove back to the area where he
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thought he had hit the deer looking for the car part so he could possibly have it reattached
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he parked so he could get out on foot and look around for this missing piece but just as soon as he got out of his
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truck he noticed a foul odor and his first thought was that of the deer but quickly he thought to himself that
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smells like decay and a deer could not have decayed that quickly now here's one of those heart-stopping
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life-changing moments pete saw something unusual lying in the ravine next to the road
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and it was not his truck light that he was hoping to find this was something large wrapped up in some kind of blanket
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when he opened it to take a look and wish that he had not he saw death because unfortunately it was a very
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badly decomposed body rolled up in a quilt and tossed into the wooded area along the roadside
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the authorities were called in immediately because the call came in from a location so close to the county
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line officers from both brown and bartholomew counties arrived on the scene and worked the scene together yeah
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i think i would have just called law enforcement i don't think i would have had the guts to open up the blanket what
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we have here is basically an unidentifiable murder victim the county officers know that
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immediately this person did not kill themselves then roll themselves up in a quilt and get to that wooded area but
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what happens here captain is that the remains are so badly decomposed in such a advanced stage of decomp that the
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detectives from the sheriff's department can't make out the gender of the victim or an age
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so not much really to go on as far as the initial investigation goes the body was removed
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and taken off to the brown county morgue the scene was roped off and secured and
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again officers from both jurisdictions blocked off the road and scoured the scene for any possible evidence that
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they could find now i'm playing devil's advocate here captain when i say this but i've seen
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some photographs of this location where they recovered the body from and this is an ideal location to dump a
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body this is as country road as it gets brown county only has about 15 000 residents for the entirety
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of the county which is 216 square miles well you're saying this body is very badly decomposed
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what makes you think that they think it's a homicide because it could be like an accidental death or maybe even a
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overdose where somebody then takes the body and dumps it out into the woods those are all certainly possibilities
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but what everything that is going to point to for the detectives is they know somebody else knows something
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somebody out there placed this body in this location how the person died could be a mystery
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and is a mystery at this point in our timeline but we know somebody put them there now
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bartholomew county is much more populated with about 72 000 residents back in 2004
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for 409 square miles but that is still not a lot of people so you have this area where there's not really anybody
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living in the immediate area and not a whole lot of people that live in either county but this nelson ridge road
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is as said very country i'm talking no street lights no signage there's woods on both sides of the road so if you
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needed to dispose of something or wish that you could do it under the cover of darkness that sort of thing
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could easily be achieved at this location the other part of it too captain is that
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one might expect something to sit there and go undetected for a good amount of time as well
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is this a road that people would travel often or is this some place that maybe only locals would know this is a road
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that's kind of by the way side that you wouldn't you wouldn't need to travel this road if
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you were just passing through the area right the other thing jump off of the interstate and hit real
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quickly correct and the other thing too is there's no reason there's nothing on this road in this location that would
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make anybody want to stop there right there's not even a stop sign placing something here is
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good for the offender or for whoever needs to dump this body because a if you were doing this at nighttime you
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could see headlights off in the distance right you would have minutes notice not seconds
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minutes notice that somebody will be coming your way soon and so you could stop what you're doing or move on
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and again there's no reason to stop in this location so if you're looking for something to go
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unfound this is where you put it you lose it right here and hope nobody ever finds it
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now we said that the body was taken to the brown county morgue but the autopsy was actually performed at the
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university of indiana school of medicine forensic pathology division in indianapolis try saying that three times
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fast now here is what they were able to determine our victim is a female victim between the ages of 25 and 35 and
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remained unidentified after the autopsy detectives released that the victim had a tattoo of a chain
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with a flower located toward the back of the victim's ankle adding that they were
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looking at all of the missing person files throughout the entire united states but so far have not been able to
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determine the identity for a second i thought you were going to say the victim had a tattoo of a chainsaw i
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was thinking that's a pretty badass test right chainsaw tattoo sales just went way up way up they were asking law
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enforcement was asking if the public you know if they knew anything about this case or know someone with a similar
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tattoo that they could call the indiana state police they included the following statement
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and the request for information from the public that because of the manner in which the
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body was found detectives believe the woman was killed somewhere else and dumped at this location prosecutor jim
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oliver said quote in most murder investigations detectives work really hard in the first 36 hours to solve the
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crime our investigators are frustrated with not having many leads to follow up at this point
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and quote that statement was made to the brown county democrat newspaper editor linda marginson
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five days after the body was found so as we already knew but the prosecutor confirming the detectives would work
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around the clock trying to get evidence and leads for the first 36 hours of their investigation
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but here we have five days into this homicide and because the nature of the case
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it sounds like we have some evidence but no leads to move on and have an unidentified female homicide
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victim yeah all the evidence they have is coming from the autopsy or coming from the scene in which they found the
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body now for us captain we don't have the autopsy report and frustratingly authorities have never released the
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cause of death here in this case the body in the blanket was that of a young woman but she could not be identified we
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don't know how long the emmy believed her to have been dead but based on the advanced level of
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decomp we would say probably quite a while and investigators were not certain how
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long the body had been lying in the wooded area where it was found although one ap associated press article citing
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brown county prosecutor jim oliver said that it had been there for up to eight weeks
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okay so we know that she was found on october 8th and been there for possibly up to
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eight weeks as the prosecutors saying in this article which would mean roughly august 14 2004 so these remains wrapped
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in a blanket were placed there as early as august 14th 2004. well like you said this is a tough scenario for law
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enforcement because they don't have a lot to go on it's not like there's been a missing
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girl in the area for years and they go oh this is probably her they don't have a lot to go off of and
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even after you find the body captain you know that whoever placed the victim there
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now has had some time to cover their own tracks you've not been able to identify
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the victim you can't check on the victim's inner circle can't find out where the victim came
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from obviously you find your victim in brown county if you don't have anybody that matches a
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vague description missing from your county you know you're going outside of of your box there immediately and and
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like you said there's if they had any leads they're drying up real quick based off of the victim not
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being able to be identified as well as the prosecutor saying the the victim could have been
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at this site for up to eight weeks well but they also did leave something behind
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that is identifiable the blanket there could be some fibers or some dna left or even
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pet hair so that is a mistake that maybe the killer did make i'm wondering if this individual or the people that
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placed the victim there i'm guessing that they thought that the body would remain there for quite some
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time before somebody found it yeah now this would have been late fall we've said this on the show plenty of times
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because it's just one of the hardcore facts of true crime that spring is typically when bodies are
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found in wooded areas this is because hunters go out after the winter the long winter short winter whatever kind of
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winter you have and that's when they start going out and walking these country areas
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and that's usually typically when something's found so had this guy not hit this deer
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and lost a light there's a chance in my mind anyway that they wouldn't have found this body for
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several more months well he also becomes a suspect that's true for a short period
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of time i i would assume that they would start with him and go was he just telling us this as a ruse
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so now let's go figure out where he was what's his alibi yeah at the very least show me some damage to your truck yeah
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because you're you're right captain that's that's the first thing you got to hone in on as an investigator you're
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going okay well this guy has he found the body so he put himself at the dump scene why was he there yeah nobody again
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this is a spot where nobody really has a reason to be in this location so why was
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he there i'm sure he would have been looked at what we do know about the cause of death
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which as we have said has never been addressed publicly well we know that this case was treated as a homicide very
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quickly and right after the medical examiner viewed the body now per the northwest indiana times brown county
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prosecutor jim oliver said investigators were treating the case as a homicide although the body had not been
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identified at that point quote i don't think there's much doubt foul play was involved here end quote
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that's what oliver said okay so it was evident to someone presumably the medical examiner that this woman was
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murdered that she was a murder victim and even though the cause of death has never been released an insider in the
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case told us that the cause of death is listed on the death certificate as strangulation
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so the ways that this could be evident on a badly decomposed corpse is if there was some kind of ligature still on the
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body or marks in the flesh from a ligature or if the hyoid bone was broken which
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usually results from a violent choking but like you said the body's so badly decomposed how did they go about trying
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to identify her right because that's your number one concern that's your first objective here
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to hopefully get an id on the victim now brown county authorities looked into missing persons reports within the
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county but no missing persons report had been filed in the county that matched the
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description of this female victim that they found so they reached out to other nearby
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jurisdictions they provided a description of the body as a young white female with dark hair
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and a tattoo still visible despite the decomp and as we stated earlier the prosecutor
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described that tattoo as a chain around the right ankle with a rose or some kind
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of flower on the back of the ankle the other interesting thing though here captain and this is something that we
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just don't see law enforcement do very often but something you brought up which is an
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interesting angle and one that i'm curious as to why the this angle is not pursued more often
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you mentioned that one thing that should be more easily identifiable if it crosses
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the right person's eyes would be that quilt right they keep describing this thing as
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a quilt not a blanket quilt to me is like handmade passed down throughout the years maybe
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grandma made it maybe your favorite aunt made it usually these are family type items yeah sometimes made from articles
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of clothing that the family owned the captain is quite the quilt maker everyone should know that but
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again we don't see law enforcement do that very often do we where they let's take a picture of this quilt and there
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there's probably reasons why we just don't know what they are but i question that
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from time to time when you seem to be so desperate to to id this body you think you'll be pulling out all the
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stops here and and post pictures of that uh put it on the news in the newspapers and what have you well
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we had a handmade curtains that they found at the scene of amy malovic's death they didn't
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release that information for years yeah it almost felt like a lifetime between the time that she was found and when
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they showed us pictures of the curtain well finally captain on october 15th a missing person's report came into the
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indiana state police or isp for short this report came from the police department in indianapolis a woman named
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tracy sandlin storm system was reported missing in indianapolis the missing woman fit the description of the
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body found in brown county tracy's dental records were obtained from her family and sent over to the
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indiana state police it's not at all clear why it took such a long time to definitively id the body
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because eventually that's what happens we are going to id the body as this tracy system
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but it was not until december 17th that an announcement was made by the indiana state police this is the lead
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investigator on the case chris fears that indeed the body they recovered from the woods was tracy sissom
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tracy was just 33 years old when she was killed detective fears learned that tracy had
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last been seen on september 20th in indianapolis so this fits the timeline of the body
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that had been there for up to eight weeks but september 20th is the last day that
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she was seen and i have other information that we will we will go into as we go along here
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and based on that information i believe she was killed on or very near the date of the last time that she was seen
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september 20th is a little more recent than i had expected based off of the quote up to eight weeks comment
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now back to something real quick before we move on the missing persons report was sent by the indianapolis police
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department to the indiana state police on october 15th it turned out per the indiana star
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newspaper that tracy's family reported her missing the day after she was last seen so september 21st
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so this missing person's report wasn't really connecting to anything until nearly a month later but for some
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unknown reason her missing persons report was not connected to the body found on october 8th
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until at least a week after it was found part of that could be though captain it
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seems like the the hard push to release some information in this case and to tell the world that we found a
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body that we cannot id didn't really come about until about five days after they found the body so
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that would account for some of that time but again it was not proven to be tracy
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for another two months there's clearly a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes
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here that we just don't know about and a lot of time was wasted due to delays and lack of communication in
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this [Music] case yeah [Music] from the east coast to the west coast cheers everybody and cheers to you
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the crispiest cheers to you captain cheers to the people in the back i have a quick
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announcement here i have an event coming up raising some money for the ohio history connection and for the porch
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light project as well thursday august 26th is the date the event is called uncovering ohio cold
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cases a conversation with myself and james renner this is a webinar so an online event so wherever you are and
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whoever can attend simply by purchasing a ticket and you can purchase a ticket at ohio ohiohistory.org
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again that is thursday august 26th and ticket information is at ohiohistory.org so be there or be square be square and
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be there we don't care all right captain this case takes place in 2004 the tracy
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system case and as we said it takes quite a while for them to even identify the victim i will say that i'm a little
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surprised at the how recently she had last been seen right the bodies discovered on october
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8th and she's reported missing on the 21st of september as having been seen the day before
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september 20th and i'm just basing this off of the prosecutor's statement of well the body could have been there up
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to eight weeks that makes me think that the me or or on that day when the body is discovered
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when they are first looking at the body and the scene they're going okay well we're seeing a level of decomposition
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here that shows us probably that the victim's been dead for six weeks maybe up to eight
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and really we have a situation here where it was just a few weeks between the last time that she was seen that she
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was alive and well and then later found dead in this wooded area you wonder if the body was stored or kept somewhere
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for some period of time that may have increased the decomposition on the body or i
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didn't get a chance to check into this or look it up maybe it was a particularly hot
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few weeks there late that summer going into fall and that could have increased it as well there could be any number of
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factors there but uh it's it's curious to me but once they have the identification of the body and they know
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it's tracy the case just sits there for about two years yeah this is going to bring us to about
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2006 on our timeline here and i'm sure that they're well i shouldn't say that i'm sure i know that there was a lot of
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stuff going on behind the scenes just nothing that made the news so no real news coming out for about two years this
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until the indiana star reported that family members have many unanswered questions
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but they are not getting many answers from the indiana state police investigators are closely guarding many
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of the clues detectives did not tell the family how tracy system died but insisted that the death was in fact a
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homicide not even the family was told the official cause of death of the young woman in the quilt according to the
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article this is i mean not only did you lose a loved one but you you naturally have so many questions
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when somebody dies or in this case is murdered at such a young age but now you have a situation where
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you've not only lost that person and you have that giant hole in your heart but hell you got kind of a hole in your head
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too because you got no answers to go along with what happened to to your daughter or your sister yeah it makes
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you wonder if because she was found like in a different location if law enforcement's just not taking it
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as serious as they should i think they were i think that's probably a situation where it's just it might be complicated
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right it might be a complicated investigation yeah i'm just saying as the family
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you're sitting there going and we don't know what kind of communication law enforcement's having with the family how
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because in some of these cases like delphi it seems like they're very open and letting the family
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in a little bit as far as what investigation tactics they're using so we don't know what kind
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of communication is happening between law enforcement and the family this is true and in this case we have the
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indiana state police as well that we're talking about in tracy systems case so let's go
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and get to know our victim a little better shall we because that's the first step in trying to get a lead on this
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thing so who was tracy tracy sandlin storm system was born on december 27 1970. she was a lifelong native of
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indianapolis a city that you and i have been to many times captain a great city tracy
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graduated from howe high school in 1989 when she died she left behind her parents rebecca and john her sister
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shelly and her brother john jr she also left behind an ex-husband and an estranged husband and three children all
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of whom lived in indianapolis according to her obituary tracy was a member of holy spirit catholic church and owned
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and operated sugar creek rottweilers where she bred and cared for her show dogs tracy had a great love of animals
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obviously and worked with several veterinarians throughout her life tracy got married when she was young and
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had two girls in quick succession her husband richard storm filed for a divorce in october of 2000
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and the divorce was granted in december of 2001. richard and tracy were awarded joint
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custody of their girls by the hancock circuit court meanwhile during the whole divorce proceedings
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tracy got married again getting hitched to a michael system on january 25th 2003 then she gave birth to their son
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shane so at this point we have tracy michael her new husband baby shane and tracy's two girls
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sharing a house this is the house that tracy got in the divorce settlement from her first husband from that first
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marriage but that living situation didn't last long by the time tracy was reported missing
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in september of 2004 michael and tracy had split up and had been split up for quite some time and
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were estranged from one another all right let's get into tracy's disappearance there is minimal reporting
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about her disappearance but what little there is all says the same thing so this
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is all confirmed tracy was last seen september 20th at 30th street and post road in the far
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east side neighborhood of indianapolis this was an apartment complex where tracy was living at the time
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but she was in the process of moving out so she is there on this day september 20th
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to retrieve her belongings because she is now moving in with her mother who also lived in indianapolis
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on this day tracy called her mom around 7 pm and told her that she was gathering the last
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of her things and that she would be home soon i've not been able to determine captain
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if this call came from a landline or a cell phone right she said that she would be home soon but she never arrived
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at the time tracy was using her father's 1995 chevy blazer to help her move her things
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the vehicle was also missing so when they noticed that tracy is missing they notice that the vehicle is missing
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as well the vehicle is not found at tracy's apartment nike said she's moving away from her husband well she
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lived in the apartment by herself they had already been separated for quite some time by this point
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and she's moving back in with her mother now we have zero information whatsoever
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on how and when tracy's family discovered her missing status and noted that the blazer was also missing so we
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know that she spoke with her mom on the 20th and we know that the following day a missing person's report was placed
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was made by her family right so sometime after 7 p.m on that night and sometime the next
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morning they probably decide hey she should have been here by now it's been overnight we're not only missing her
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we're also missing the vehicle that was lent to her to help her move her things you also have to wonder too if they went
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out there and presumably they did out sue tracy's apartment to look for her and the vehicle
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if they were able to access the apartment maybe they're seeing things in there that's causing concern as well maybe you
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know when you hear your loved one tell you hey i'm gathering up the last of my items and i'll be home soon well you
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could open up that front door to the apartment and the apartment tell you a different
00:35:00
a different story yeah that's a good thing that they didn't hesitate to report her missing so that's the best
00:35:06
that we can narrow down the actual time of her going missing we know that she made that phone call on at 7 pm on
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the 20th we can't say for certain if anyone in her family went to the apartment to look for her i presume that
00:35:20
they did that's just natural reaction that's what most people would do so you have to wonder if they did this captain
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did they find the front door locked unlocked did they find things still inside the
00:35:33
apartment was there any sign of a confrontation or struggle those answers to those questions we just
00:35:40
don't have any any idea we do know that someone in her family reported her missing on the day after she was last
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seen this again the 21st we also have no information on tracy's cell phone or if in fact she even had one
00:35:54
it was 2004 so it seems likely that she would have had one if so and if the police were able to
00:36:02
obtain any helpful information on the cell phone we don't have any idea this is information that's not been released to
00:36:09
the public but all of the reporting on the story discusses where tracy was last known to be so that
00:36:17
is not a question in this case we know that she was last reported to be at her apartment this information came from her
00:36:25
mother who said that tracy called her from there if there was a cell phone and it showed
00:36:29
that she was at some other location after that time you'd think the family would have said so publicly when they
00:36:36
have spoken out about this case yeah i wonder what the family's feelings are about the ex-husband because
00:36:43
that obviously is the i think even though they were separated for a time period before this like you said she
00:36:50
moved into apartment by herself and now she's moving back home with her parents you go
00:36:56
well i mean that's the number one person you look at right and just with identifying the body
00:37:02
identifying the remains how quickly we see from there being no leads to now all of a sudden here in the garage we can
00:37:09
see these suspects start to emerge right they they step out of the shadows and present themselves a little bit we have
00:37:15
her first husband that she's been divorced from for some time but you gotta you got to look in that direction you
00:37:25
have the most recent husband who she was in the process of splitting up with and
00:37:30
moving on in her life and then once you get to know the victim and the victim's inner circle
00:37:36
that may present some other options as far as suspects or persons of interest go and then as you pointed out earlier
00:37:44
you always have to consider the person who quote unquote found the body yeah or the
00:37:50
possibilities that tracy was working on husband number three and who would that individual be so right away captain when
00:37:57
she goes missing when tracy goes missing there's no sign really no clue as to where she could be
00:38:05
for about two weeks but then we get the missing chevy blazer that she had borrowed turns up on october 4th
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in the vicinity of la sale and michigan avenues so this is before the unidentified body
00:38:23
that we later learned would be tracy's remains is found this is a few days before her body is recovered
00:38:30
so a deputy pulled the vehicle over or although it's not clear whether he was actually on the lookout for it you know
00:38:38
did we know she's reported missing we can assume that they reported the vehicle missing as well but were police
00:38:46
actively looking for this vehicle we can't say that for certain so the way this story goes is that this
00:38:53
officer a deputy was going to pull over this chevy blazer or attempting to pull over the vehicle
00:39:01
anyway is what we should say here because per the indiana star a marion county sheriff's deputy spotted
00:39:09
two unidentified people in the blazer on the city's east side the male driver made several abrupt
00:39:18
turns and lane changes before he and a female passenger ditched the vehicle in the 500 block of north oakland avenue
00:39:27
and ran away so an unknown couple a man and a woman are in this chevy blazer right the one
00:39:34
that tracy was borrowing from her father correct she's missing and the vehicle's
00:39:39
missing until this point and the mail is driving but before they could successfully
00:39:45
pull over the driver and and pull over the vehicle the driver makes some smooth maneuvers and they're
00:39:52
able to flee the vehicle before the deputy could catch up to them now a partial box of ammunition was
00:40:01
found on the back seat of the vehicle this is according to the report says no fingerprints or other evidence were
00:40:09
found in the vehicle said an indiana state police spokesman but since we don't know the cause of death i mean
00:40:16
this is great evidence to have once you're doing the autopsy because if there is
00:40:22
if she was killed by gunshot then the these were possibly uh the ammo that was used well and that's
00:40:30
not what you want to hear too a partial box of ammunition you want to hear a full box of ammunition yeah just bottom
00:40:37
still in the cellophane the blazer was abandoned by a couple about eight and a half miles from
00:40:44
tracy's apartment and this is just one of those really weird things no one knows who the people in
00:40:50
the blazer were or at least if indiana state police does know who they are they've never said
00:40:57
that they we've identified these people or we spoke to these people or we know who they are right another thing that
00:41:03
was reported on but that we know very little about according to the indiana channel
00:41:10
i keep saying indiana every time i see the word indy so according to the indie channel state police sergeant jeff
00:41:17
deckard said one of the system's neighbors reported seeing a suspicious vehicle this is interesting a neighbor reported
00:41:26
seeing a dark suv or the sergeant just clarifying here or they thought it was an suv
00:41:35
we've not narrowed it down to a specific suv or even eliminated a pickup truck or
00:41:41
even eliminated a pickup truck with a camper shell said decker but again if anything came of this we don't know so
00:41:48
the old creepy camper yeah think about this captain we this is what we know here we know that
00:41:54
leading up to finding tracy's remains they spot the chevy blazer being driven by two unknown individuals
00:42:04
who are able to successfully get away from the cops long enough to park and flee on foot
00:42:12
we don't know if they've ever identified those people and then we have this statement of well
00:42:19
on the last day that she was seen neighbors i wanna it says a neighbor but i've seen some reports that are
00:42:29
similar to this and i wonder if it was more than one person because in other reports it says neighbors
00:42:35
reported seeing a suspicious vehicle and describing it as a possibly a dark suv so it looks like
00:42:46
someone either intercepted her after she left her apartment that night with all of her
00:42:52
things or somebody got a hold of her at the apartment yeah we're not getting reports like you
00:42:58
said from the family to let us know that all her apartment was filled with her her belongings and so when they abducted
00:43:05
her or like you said intercepted her and the vehicle because you're also stating in the
00:43:11
vehicle it's not like we're seeing piles and piles for her belongings right but that doesn't mean that they didn't
00:43:17
intercept her in a different location just dump all those materials somewhere the vibe i'm getting though with that
00:43:26
ammunition that partial box of ammunition that's found on the back seat is that the family is probably telling law
00:43:34
enforcement that that did not belong to tracy right because the way that they state
00:43:39
that and we know how closely they've held information in this case and what they've chosen to
00:43:45
release and it's been very little but they chose to release that information well and you're also because she's
00:43:52
borrowing the vehicle you go well that ammunition didn't belong to tracy and didn't belong to tracy's father correct
00:43:59
and now you have to wonder okay well could we trace this ammunition back to a person because if we could somehow
00:44:07
create a paper trail to trace it back to a person that person might be the one that's responsible for
00:44:13
her death again i believe i firmly believe that she was killed either that night or very soon
00:44:21
after she went missing on the 20th this vehicle is not found until october 4th so
00:44:28
we have a situation here captain where we have this weird unknown couple driving it but also enough time has gone
00:44:34
by that you could say there's a good chance that somebody else may have been in possession of this
00:44:40
vehicle at one point especially right after the murder you have to wonder too would the killer have been
00:44:50
brazen enough to use the victim's vehicle to move the body no you can use the term brazen or you
00:44:58
use the term stupid let's let's create a word that's both um yeah you have to wonder but it doesn't
00:45:05
seem like again it's a situation where the words that they're choosing to tell us in this case make it sound like
00:45:13
that might not be a suspicion by investigators they they may have tried that angle
00:45:19
and came up with nothing there's also been reports that are similar to this that state that there
00:45:26
were that are a little more in depth about the the fingerprints remember we said the ammunition was
00:45:32
found but there's no fingerprints found in or on this ammunition or in the blazer
00:45:38
that they called into concern so was it wiped down was the vehicle wiped down or was it just whoever drove
00:45:47
the vehicle or moved the vehicle wasn't in it long enough to leave behind a whole lot of evidence
00:45:53
you would expect to find some evidence of tracy having been in the vehicle at some point maybe that muddies the waters
00:46:00
a little bit on whether the body was moved in that vehicle but i'm just getting the i'm getting the vibe here
00:46:06
captain that that's probably not what happened in this case let's sum up that timeline a little bit so the listeners
00:46:12
aren't confused yeah because we were playing detective along the way as we were telling this story
00:46:19
captain the way that this thing breaks down is just like this tracy goes missing on september 20th that's the
00:46:26
last time that her family speaks with her that's the last time they know that she is safe
00:46:32
and where she should be the following day they make the police report they they filed the missing persons report
00:46:40
it's 14 days after tracy was last seen that this blazer that she was borrowing the chevy blazer is located eight and a
00:46:49
half miles from tracy's apartment tracy system her body is then located four days later her remains were found
00:46:58
70 miles from her apartment and as we know she had been dead for long enough to be decomposed to the
00:47:05
point that dental records were required to id her and that someone else was driving that blazer after her death
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