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Investigators say Bob Evans is responsible for the deaths of Denise Bowden, four unidentified people in
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Allenstown and Yunsoon June. Let's take a closer look at exactly who these victims are. Now, we begin with Denise
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Bowden who graduated from Gofftown High School in 1976. She worked at Carol Cable and the Demer's Nursing Home in
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Manchester before her disappearance. Now, when Bowden was 23 years old, she lived at 925 Hayward Street in
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Manchester with Evans, who was her boyfriend at the time. Now, shortly after Thanksgiving in 1981, Bowden
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disappeared. Her body never found. Four years later, the bodies of an adult woman and a female child related to that
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woman were found in a barrel in a wooded area of Allentown. The adult described as a white woman with brown hair, 23 to
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33 years old. The child described as white and between the ages of 5 and 11. Then in 2000, two more children were
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found in barrels on the same Allentown property. Both girls were around two or three years old. New DNA results show
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that the girl on the left is the daughter of Bob Evans and the girl on the right is also related to the
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unidentified woman found in the first barrel. None of the bodies have been identified. Fast forward a year later in
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August 2001, Yunsun Jun had an unofficial backyard marriage ceremony with Evans in Richmond, California. She
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was reported missing in September of the following year and later found buried in
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her basement. A couple of months later, Evans was arrested and eventually convicted for her murder.
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We have been discussing the Allenstown 4, the four unidentified victims that were found in Allenstown. The first two
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found in a barrel 1985. the second two found in a almost exact same similar barrel in 2000. And these victims have
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remained unidentified. Well, in January of this year, there becomes a huge break
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in this case. >> Yeah. >> So, the New Hampshire attorney general announced that they believe that they
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have discovered the man involved in the Bearbrook murders, also known as the Allentowns 4. To be clear here, the
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state of New Hampshire attorney general, he announced in a press conference that
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after 30ome years of looking, the police are confident in regards to the four female victims found in Allentown in the
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two barrels, they now believe that they have their man. >> Which is pretty crazy though, right?
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Because I mean, this is the first time that I've ever heard of a case where we we identify the murderer.
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>> Mhm. >> But we still can't identify the victims. >> Yeah. And he starts off the press
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conference by saying that that exact same statement. Really? >> Yeah. That that usually, you know, you
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have to there's that general process that you identify the victims and you take it from there and then you you
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catch the killer. This situation quite a bit different, but that they're putting
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out this information because they're hoping to receive some information in return. Now, the thing is we're going to
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see that there is a lot of information that's still needed on this case. This is going to be something that you're
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going to see worked very hard in the next year or two and I think we're going to see further information come out. But
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let's go through what we do know as of this year. So the New Hampshire attorney general stated that Robert or Bob Evans
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is believed to be the killer of these four victims. So who is this Bob Evans? Actually, can can we call him Robert
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Evans, Captain? >> I don't want to disturb my my weekend breakfast. Um, so Robert Evans is a man
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that just pretty recently police have been able to place him in New Hampshire as late as 1981. And we will show you
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how they are able to connect him to the four female victims in Allentown. But to
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do so, we have to first talk about California because Robert Evans was serving a 15-year sentence for murder in
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California for killing his girlfriend/wife. This is unsumed June, >> right? Okay. And to do that, we got to
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go back to the year 2002. >> Yeah. September 2002. This story starts starts off in California's Contraosta
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County. And we have a missing person's case. The person in question is Unsun June. The first signs emerge that there
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is something that is not right. When she did not show up for a scheduled lunch with a friend, she also started missing
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her regular pottery classes that she attended. A friend of June's was dissatisfied with the answers that she
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was getting in regards to June's whereabouts from her husband. She stopped believing explanations and
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excuses as to where her friend was. And then she calls the Contracasta Sheriff's
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Department and the friend decides to file missing person's report. In this report, the friend states the last time
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that she had seen Unsun Jun was around May 31st, 2002. >> And she at this point she was married to
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Robert Evans. >> Yeah, they had some people will refer to them as husband and wife or they will
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refer to this Robert Evans as a boyfriend. Um because they were married in some like backyard ceremony, so it
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wasn't like super official. Um, what happens is after that missing person's report is filed, the sheriff's
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department, their missing person's crime unit, they decide to go do a welfare check at the woman's home, which is
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located in East Richmond Heights. >> Mhm. Uh the husband, a man who was actually going by the name of Larry
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Vanner, told the investigators that she was out of the state and he like he's he's very cooperative with the people
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that show, >> you know, >> now we we we have to we have to kind of touch upon something here and it's going
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to come around full circle and we can explain it as we go. Um, but we're going to start to see a lot of different names
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in this story and a lot of those names are being used by one character. So, Robert Evans is using multiple names
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throughout this story. When Larry Vanner and Robert Evans are the same person, we
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will get into that a little bit later. You'll see how that's connected. >> Mhm. So when Larry Vanner, he's so
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cooperative with these investigators. >> We should just say Larry aka Robert. >> Okay. Larry aka a aka Robert is so
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cooperative with the investigators that he even agrees to go down to the department to answer some questions
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regarding the whereabouts of his wife. They interview him for quite some time. Um and Vanner was given a phone and he
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makes a phone call. He calls a number a number that he calls from memory which turns out to be a licensed therapist in
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Eugene, Oregon. Now the detective would later state how she thought that was really weird because he had this number
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memorized and she believed it was part of like a ruse, like the fact that he had gone this far to to form some kind
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of plan in advance and she couldn't really put her finger on. Was this something that he kept in his back
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pocket as a plan to get out of this particular situation or really was this something he would do to get out of any
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situation? >> Right. Right. >> The detective quickly realizes that the name Lawrence William Vanner, which is
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the name that the man had given, had no paper trail. He had no driver's license in the state of California. He had no
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driver's license in any state in the US that they could find. And he had no criminal history or records of any kind.
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Nothing that they looked for in their databases at the sheriff's department turned up regarding the name Lawrence
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William Vanner. But this guy, he still agrees to keep talking to her, answering questions, and he even agrees to be
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fingerprinted. So, she also said that they made quite a bit of small talk, and mainly this is
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because the guy seemed to be very chatty. She also commented that he had these really strange super blue twinkly
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eyes. But as far as questioning went, he was a very personable guy. >> Sparkly eyes.
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>> Yeah. >> Like the whiz from Seinfeld. >> Yes. Much like the whiz. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes Vanner even spoke in a type of
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like singongy voice when they were talking. >> Um anyway, so he gives his >> I never really understood that sing
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songongy thing. >> Does somebody talk like this or something like this? >> In every musical that you watch, they do
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the >> Well, right. Right. But that's an actual song. But sing songy talk. I don't
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really >> Well, Vanner did this from time to time during the the questioning process.
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>> And he does give his fingerprints as we said. And while the live scan began to
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run the prints through the database, the detectives took Vanner out to a corner store so that he could get a drink and a
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pack of cigarettes. The detective, in an attempt to get some more information about this man, asked him if his accent
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was from the East Coast. >> She says to him, "Your accent's very interesting. Where did you grow up?"
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Vanner then stopped talking and he leaned in real close to the detective's personal space. And with a completely
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different tone, he said, "That's none of your goddamn business." She said it was
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like a flick of a switch from from the normal behavior that she had seen before. He completely changed
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>> con artist. >> Yeah. He gets he gets very aggressive with her and then she says that he then
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switched it off again and he kept carrying on as normal like nothing had happened.
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>> And I'm going to post some pictures of this guy of old Robert Evans. He's he's
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definitely creepy looking. He's like a creepy clown. >> Yeah. >> You know, he's like a sadistic clown
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with twinkly blue eyes. >> Yeah. He's just got the hair on the sides and none on the top and it he's
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kind of got that clown face. >> Yeah. There's this other picture too where he's wearing a Mickey Mouse shirt
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and he just, you know, kind of ruined Mickey Mouse for me for the next week or so
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>> and breakfast. Um, the fingerprints come back and what they learned from the fingerprints
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gets even stranger. Okay, so this now shows that Larry Vanner was the same person as a man named Curtis Mayo
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Kimble, a man who was once convicted of abusing and abandoning a little girl at an RV park in 1986.
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What had happened was he was on parole for that conviction and he like the day they let him out instead of checking in
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and doing all the stuff you're supposed to do on parole to you know reinccorporate yourself back into
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society instead he just takes off. So the detective then reads him his rights because of course Larry Vanner
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I he's he's this Kimble guy and he's needs to be taken into custody for the parole violation. And of course, Larry
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Vanner at this point stops talking to the detective, >> right? Lawyers up. >> Um I I don't they didn't cover that in
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this in this portion of the story. I don't think that he actually l lawyered up at this point,
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>> right? He just said, "I'm not talking >> because this is all kind of happening
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very quickly. >> It's none of your goddamn business." >> So now what he said to her,
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>> they decide that his premises are subject to a search. So, they go and they get the appropriate warrant and
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they took a key to June's house from Larry Vanner's belongings and then they go to the house and once there they find
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pictures of the missing woman still on the refrigerator. >> But then they don't find any women's
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clothing in the house and then they >> or at least there's pictures >> well >> up of her in the house.
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>> It's going to get it's going to get a little weird because now they start to notice the weird stuff. Uh, there are
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some areas on the property that look to have been recently dug up. There was a dried up dead kitten over the back
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fence. The >> That's That is weird. >> Yeah. If you're going to dig up some of the property, at least put the cat the
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dead cat in one of those holes, right? Uh, the garage was padlocked. So, they open the padlock to the garage,
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>> and inside they find pottery, a kiln, and a potter's wheel. These are all June's items. At the back of the garage,
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they find a small door. They open the door. Now, this is a very dark room, so they're using flashlights at this point.
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They can see a water heater, and near the water he heater is a pile of kitty litter. It's mounted over some extension
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cords. >> Yeah, >> there are workshop lights that are hung up in this cramped little space. Uh
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they're not on. Uh but they also see a small axe and a reciprocating saw. Well, this is where they're starting to feel
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feel very bad. Now, now we've got to call in the forensics unit, right? Cuz cuz this whole place might be a crime
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scene. So the crime scene unit came in and they started off by taking photographs of the entire place. Now it
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becomes time to move the mound of cat litter. So they very carefully moved just a little bit of the cat litter at
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first. And this is when they discovered a human foot still in a rubber flip-flop, but
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>> but it's fully mummified by this point. >> Right. But >> yesterday the the life lesson that we
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learned, right? What was it? Do you remember? What's the life lesson that we learned yesterday?
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>> Don't go looking in the barrel. >> Don't open the barrel. >> Yeah, but this is their job. This is
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different. >> I know, but I'm saying it's it's what you can take away from the show. What
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you can learn as an individual. This is not our job. Our job is to flex our golden pipes on these microphones. But
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so, lesson number one yesterday, do not open the barrel. >> Mhm. And lesson number two today is
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>> don't move the cat litter. >> Don't touch the kitty litter. >> Well, so of course murder charges
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followed for the man that they knew as Vanner and Kimble, >> right? >> So he is charged as
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>> well. Real quick question though. So we know that he is Kimble, >> right? Like that's who he is.
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>> We know that Larry Vanner is Curtis Kimell, >> right? And Curtis and Curtis Campbell
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actually has some kind of record. We have fingerprints on file. >> Yeah. And that's why I think they charge
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him as Curtis Kimell and not as this Larry Vanner because there is some paper trail for Curtis Kimble.
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>> Now, can you explain to me how we get to Robert Evans? >> Yes, but it's going to it's going to
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take a little more >> Okay. >> a little more explanation. And trust me, this will all come back around full
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circle at the end. I promise. So, he ends up playing >> Don't you lie to me, boy.
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He's charged as Curtis Kimell, but to everyone's surprise, he ends up pleading guilty to the charge. He plead guilty to
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seconddegree murder and was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison. >> It's not enough, man.
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>> So, what ends up h what what ends up happening, this turns out to be a good thing for Mr. Kimell aka Vannor because
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this avoids the man a trial and more importantly to him an investigation into the man calling himself Lawrence Vanner.
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>> Right. >> So the short of that is this detective not only puts this man behind bars, but
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she establishes through the fingerprint match that Lawrence Vanner is also Curtis Kimble. And Curtis Kimell was
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wanted on parole violation for abuse and abandonment of a minor. a minor that the
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court system believed to be his child. Now, this awesome detective decides that, you know what, we should trace
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this guy as far back as we can, >> right? >> Because of course, the thought being
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here is if he is guilty of this kind of stuff and he has used more than one name, we might want to at least round
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the bases once to just to be safe to see what else we can dig up in the process,
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>> right? Because we know he's a murderer >> and we know that the whole child pedophilia stuff
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>> and then it's normally repeat offenders. >> Yeah. And you know what my thought here
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is at the very least they might want to try to reach out to that child to see what name he was going by when he was
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connected to that child. Was he was he Kimble? Was he Vanner? Was he a different name? You know, there's only
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so much that they even have on this Kimble guy. You know, they traced Vanner to Kimble. They only have one arrest for
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this Kimble dude. So, she tracks Vanner aka Kimble and she figures out that he had had uh a relationship with June uh
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that began in 2000. This was the the murdered wife. >> Uh before that, this detective believes
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that he had lived and worked in Contraosta, California from about 1990 to the year 2000. Mhm.
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>> So from 1990 before that there's quite a bit of a gray area because they don't really have
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much information on him until the year of 1986 as far as this detective is concerned.
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Right. >> So the other than him being arrested in 1986 for the abandonment of a girl that
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he called Lisa, this was at an RV park in Northern California. She couldn't find anything else on him and she says,
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you know, that just didn't make any sense to me that this guy had this little girl in 1986.
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So, what she does is she orders a DNA paternity test in 2003. This is shortly after he pleads guilty
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to the murder charge. This is to determine whether or not he is the biological father of the girl called
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Lisa. >> Yeah. The one that was abandoned at the RV park. So what happened is now they've
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determined, you know, is is he the biological father? The DNS DNA test come in and it turns out that he in fact is
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not the father of the girl named Lisa. >> Right? >> So now we have this girl that he had
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abandoned and no one knew where this girl had come from. So now we have to go back a little bit
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further, right? We let's go back to the child abuse abandonment charge that he faced as Curtis Kimble,
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>> right? >> So So now we we go back to this this man Curtis Kimell shows up in January of
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1986. This man is living and working at the Holiday Host RV Park in Scots Valley. Uh this is in Northern
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California. And he's living there, working there. And with him is a girl believed to be about 5 years old. and he
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is calling the girl Lisa. >> Um he in June or July of 1986, he leaves Lisa with a family that lives
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in the RV park. So the way that these charges come about is that after she is living with the family for several
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months, Lisa starts telling the family about the man who had abandoned her. um and she believes him to be her father,
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but she's telling the family about some of the things that took place and we don't have details of that and that's
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probably a good thing. Um but what ends up happening is this family then notifies law enforcement to to tell
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them, you know, something not only was this girl abandoned, but we believe she was abused before she was abandoned,
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>> right? And so that's how we get to these charges against Curtis Kimble. Now, we
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have a very strange situation though here, Captain. This is something that doesn't happen very often at all. What
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the detective quickly realizes is this young girl that was called Lisa, she might have been 5 years old that just
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appeared in this RV park, right? Well, now she's an adult and she is basically a living Jane Doe, which which we you
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very seldom see that. So, now we have a situation where we have a person that's lived most of their life and they really
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don't know who they are or where they're from. >> Well, and it's creepy stuff and then and
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it kind of makes you wonder like when you meet somebody is are they who they say they are,
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>> right? >> You know what I mean? Um, >> right. Cuz really until you see any kind
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of documentation, you just take people at their word. >> It doesn't even matter if you see
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documentation. >> Yeah. >> Really? I mean, this guy >> I'm Scott White. >> Uh, >> well,
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>> you're definitely vanilla. Yeah. >> You know what, though? Uh, I'm speaking to a guy that uses a
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>> Yeah. >> uses an alias. So, >> maybe you shouldn't be uh >> They kind of frown upon it. If you're
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teaching children, they frowned upon you talking about murders. I I get you on the internet. So that that's why that
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happened. >> Okay. So, let's make some sense of this. >> Let's recap this real quickly.
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>> So, Robert Evans, we we now know that he is responsible for the deaths and the
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the four victims that were >> the four unidentified victims in Allentown, New Hampshire. Yes.
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>> Right. And from there, they trace him back to >> California. Mhm. >> And the California connection is the
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murder of his wife or girlfriend that he lived with in 2002 >> using the name Larry.
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>> Yep. He Larry Vanner. And from there with the fingerprint match, they trace him back to that RV park from that
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charge in 1986 of abandoning a minor with with possible abuse. And in in regards to that, um you know, he was
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sentenced. I believe it was a threeyear sentence. He served one year and then he
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up and left uh the first day of his parole. >> Right. Of course he did. And and what I
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think they should do, and I don't know if they've done this, but have they tested uh this living Jane Doe's DNA
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with any of the DNA from the barrels? >> Um I believe that they have, but we're going to get there is a whole bunch of
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DNA that that comes up out of this, but we will have to get into that after this
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beer break. All right. Cheers. And we're back, everybody. Happy Women's Day. >> Okay, so the man that we and police in
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New Hampshire are calling Robert Evans >> Mhm. >> was living under other names in
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California, >> old IHOP Evans. He pleads guilty to the murder of his wife, girlfriend that he
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lives with. >> And in 2013, that is when the DNA test is requested of or required of this
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Robert Evans person. So in August of 2013, the DNA testing determines that Robert Evans and Lisa, the girl that he
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had abandoned at the RV park, were not biologically related. So now we have a situation where we're
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trying to initiate an investigation into the true identity of this girl named Lisa. She was living under the name of
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Lisa Jensen. Um and that was a name that was given to her by this man. So again,
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we have a a strange situation where we have a living Jane Doe. >> Well, and he's good at coming up with
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names. >> Mhm. So, >> I mean, he he doesn't come up with good names. >> No, >> but he's just good at coming up with
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names. >> Well, Bob Evans, I mean, he could have seen a sign. >> Old IHOP Evans.
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>> Yeah. >> Such a doucheber burger. >> So, in 2014, San Bernardino, the COSO, enlisted the assistance of DNA
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adoption.com. And this is one of those like genealogy type things. Did you try to find your
00:29:15
where you came from, your family background? >> Well, that's that's actually interesting
00:29:19
because one of the listeners posted yesterday if if they did a genealogy on the victims of the barrels,
00:29:26
>> which which is something that police are working on doing right now. >> Oh, that's good.
00:29:31
>> Uh so we we'll get back to that. >> It was a good listener thought is what I was saying.
00:29:36
>> Yeah, exactly. Some of these listeners should be involved in these cases. Um,
00:29:41
so >> they are >> with the assistance of DNA adoption.com. They use one of their search angels is
00:29:48
what I guess they call them, a a genetic genealogologist to identify links to possible relatives of this Lisa girl.
00:29:56
>> Mhm. >> And what they find, this takes quite a bit of time, but in 2016, they discover a first cousin and the
00:30:06
grandfather of Lisa. Right >> now, these two people are identified and they are living in New Hampshire, which
00:30:15
led to proving that Lisa had ties to New Hampshire. >> Right. Which would mean that Robert
00:30:21
would have ties to New Hampshire as well. >> Exactly. So, what they discover after
00:30:25
talking with these people, meeting with these people, is that Lisa, in fact, is a girl that was known by the name of Don
00:30:35
Bowden. Mhm. >> Um, and she happens to be the daughter of a missing person, and this person's
00:30:42
name is Denise Bowden. Now, the last known sighting of Denise Bowden would have been in November of 1981.
00:30:50
So, the police suspect that Denise Bowden, she went missing shortly after Thanksgiving of 1981. And at the time
00:30:59
she had a six-month-old daughter, this being Dawn Bowden. And she had a boyfriend that was going by the name of
00:31:05
Robert Evans or Bob Evans. >> And they lived in Manchester, New Hampshire. What had happened was she had
00:31:13
either spoken to or visited her family for Thanksgiving and they they're not quite sure when the when these three
00:31:23
people kind of disappeared from the area, but they believe that it would have been it had to have been after
00:31:29
Thanksgiving, but it was definitely before Christmas. So, sometime in that early December time period, they believe
00:31:35
that these three have disappeared. And the thing that kind of blows my mind about all this is we have a missing
00:31:41
person that went missing in 81 >> and it's not until 2016 that she's reported missing.
00:31:48
>> Correct. >> And that's what I was saying before. I mean, the whole idea with, you know,
00:31:52
that some that people live that kind of life or or people that have those kind of friends or family around them uh that
00:32:01
would not report them missing. It's it's a very sad thing. Um, you know, >> well, we don't know the dynamics of
00:32:08
their family. Um, it may not have been any wrongdoing on their part. It see, it's definitely strange, 100%. I mean,
00:32:15
you're talking about many years go by before she's reported as missing, >> right? And then we have that information
00:32:22
about the other serial killer, Robinson, and how he would, you know, basically kidnap somebody or take somebody hostage
00:32:30
and then he would write to the parents saying, "Oh, it's okay." you know, I I'm moving on with my life. And and you were
00:32:37
just talking earlier about how you also believe that uh Rob Robinson would have these victims sign pieces of paper.
00:32:45
>> Yeah. >> And so by having, you know, a signature, maybe type up the letter, but with that
00:32:50
signature, you know, the family just kind of believes it. And I guess I think the problem here though is, you
00:32:57
know, if I was a father and I'm getting some le letter from either a guy or I'm getting a letter that's quote unquote
00:33:06
from my daughter >> typed but with her signature, >> right? But then they're trying to tell
00:33:11
me that she doesn't want to be a part of my life. Well, again, hopefully I'm not,
00:33:15
you know, hopefully I'm a decent father. Mhm. >> And and and if I was a decent father and
00:33:21
somebody wanted to just be rid of me for no reason, you know, I'm going to fight
00:33:28
that. >> Mhm. >> So, but but again, you again, like you said, we don't know their social
00:33:33
dynamics. So, who knows? The the thought here is what what the family would tell
00:33:39
us in 2016 was that the reason they didn't report either the mother or the daughter as being missing was that it
00:33:48
was presented to them. Now, it's unclear to us, the general public, if it was Robert Evans presenting this to them or
00:33:56
if it was their own daughter presenting this to them, Denise Bowden. But it was presented to them that they basically
00:34:03
owed a whole bunch of money to everybody in the area of Manchester, New Hampshire
00:34:08
where they lived. >> Mhm. >> So the thought was they were going to uproot, move elsewhere, transplant and
00:34:15
and set up shop elsewhere and create a new life somewhere debtree, >> right? >> Um the family probably thought they were
00:34:23
doing their daughter some favors by not leading the possible debt collectors to her. Um that being the thought again
00:34:31
though 30 years go by it's strange. >> Yeah. Again I mean you know maybe you don't hear from the first Christmas and
00:34:39
you know nothing you know no big deal >> you know she's she's starting her new life but by the second Christmas
00:34:45
>> I'm looking for this person >> you know I mean how can you just >> let your daughter just
00:34:51
>> disappear almost. >> Yeah. And it and I said, you know, we don't know if it was Robert Evans that
00:34:56
presented that theor story to them or if it was their own daughter. My guess is it might have been the daughter
00:35:01
presenting it because the vibe I got from the attorney general and from the officers that were explaining this whole
00:35:08
situation to the public, the vibe I got was that the family was not a fan of this Robert Evans. like that he was
00:35:15
somebody that they they didn't like from the get- go, >> which is more of a reason to go find
00:35:19
him, punch him in his stupid [ __ ] face and then >> his clown face. >> His clown face and then pee in his
00:35:26
little twinkly eyes. I'll make I'll make his little eyes twinkle. >> Wow. Wow. Just
00:35:31
>> his face. >> It just got real. >> No, because here's why I'm getting pissed off about it. Because what we're
00:35:37
seeing is the cycle and it and it and it involves pedophilia. That's what it involves. That's what it comes down to.
00:35:45
Why? Why was this girl missing for 30 years? Because she had a daughter. He prayed on her and and it was the
00:35:54
daughter. He wanted the daughter. And you see this time and time again where these um doucheberers come out and they
00:36:01
pray on single mothers with daughters or sons and they molest those kids. And then once the mother finds out about it,
00:36:11
well, now you got to kill the mother. And that's what this Robert Evans was doing time and time again
00:36:17
>> was getting into situations. And I guarantee you his girlfriend/wife, that's probably why she ended up dead
00:36:24
and why they found her at her house dead because she probably figured out that he
00:36:30
was doing this [ __ ] >> or the or figured out that he had some very sketchy past. Um, you know,
00:36:37
anything's possible regarding that. Uh, we should state very clearly here that Denise Bowden is still technically a
00:36:45
missing person. She's not been identified as having been found anywhere or um >> she's dead
00:36:51
>> or to be living anywhere. And you're exactly right. The way that this has been presented by the attorney general
00:36:57
is that they expect that knowing Robert Evans past and knowing what he's capable
00:37:04
of, they firmly and the amount of time that's gone by, frankly, they firmly believe that that they're looking for
00:37:11
remains as far as Denise Bowden would go. >> All right. So, let's connect this all
00:37:16
together. >> Yeah. So, in the summer of 2016, the San Bernino uh County Sheriff's Office, they
00:37:23
contact the Manchester Police Department regarding the identification of Don Bowden. So, Lisa Jensen, the girl that
00:37:32
was left at the RV park, is actually Don Bowden, the daughter of Denise Bowden. And I'm so glad that they did their work
00:37:39
so she at least has some closure and that she has some sense of an actual past before this monster.
00:37:47
>> Yeah. Can you imagine that though? This this this Lisa girl, she's living with
00:37:51
the name Lisa for all these years and she was adopted out and went on to live a very normal, happy life from what we
00:37:59
have heard. Um, can you imagine that situation though that that you you you really basically have no family
00:38:07
background or understanding of your family background or where you came from? You don't you don't know your mom.
00:38:13
You you >> Well, sometimes I wish I didn't know my family background. >> You have this guy that you think is your
00:38:19
father that that probably abused you. At the very least, he abandoned you. And so
00:38:25
you probably consider yourself lucky to have survived and got out of that situation. And then all these years
00:38:32
later, you're contacted. You're living your normal life, you know, and you're doing your normal things. And then you
00:38:38
get contacted and you're told, you know, that that guy that left you at the RV park, we figured out that that was not
00:38:45
his real name and he's not your father. So, sorry I got sidetracked there, but back
00:38:51
to the summer of 2016. This is when California contacts the New Hampshire Manchester Police Department regarding
00:38:59
the identification of Don Bowden, the girl, in connection with a missing female, Denise Bowden, the mother.
00:39:06
>> And they let them know that uh the person that they suspect of being involved in this disappearance would be
00:39:14
a person that they've already convicted of homicide in 2002. >> Right. So that same year, a multi-
00:39:21
agency investigation begins to determine that Bob Evans, Robert Evans, his they determine his connections to Manchester,
00:39:30
New Hampshire, and Allenstown, New Hampshire. >> What's the major connection between old
00:39:35
Robert IHOP Evans and the the four in the barrel? >> So in October of 2016, they take Robert
00:39:44
Evans DNA profile. Remember, they already have this from from checking with the Lisa girl. And they compare
00:39:52
that profile to all of the three female these are the minor female victims that were found in Allentown.
00:40:00
>> Right. >> Well, the results showed that Robert Evans was the father of the middle
00:40:06
child. Remember, this is the child that is non-maternally related to the other victims. Mhm.
00:40:13
>> So, what are the Allenstown connections beyond that of the DNA? This is what the
00:40:20
officers are able to determine that at some point in the late 1970s, a man that shows up using the name
00:40:29
Robert T. Evans or to friends or co-workers he's known as Bob Evans that he lived and worked in Manchester, New
00:40:37
Hampshire. Uh he worked at the Wombbeck Mills in Manchester as a mechanic and electrician.
00:40:44
>> Um he when he was working there he worked with the owner of the property in Allentown where the barrels with the
00:40:53
bodies in them were found in 1985. >> Why? Because there was that little store. >> Yeah. And in 2000 um he provided
00:41:00
electrical work to the Bear Brook store that was located on that property. Uh, and he Here's the thing though, too,
00:41:09
that makes you wonder, Captain, once you kind of see this situation with Robert Evans and you know that that a lot of
00:41:16
these crimes might be driven by his pedophilia, >> right? >> And then we hear about the owner, his
00:41:22
last name was Callahan that owned that property, worked with him at the Wombck Mills.
00:41:28
Doesn't it make you wonder does this Callahan character with his background in pedophilia, do you wonder if there's
00:41:35
if there's some kind of connection there? It seems a little too big of a coincidence to me, right?
00:41:41
>> Mhm. A couple questions initially that come up. One, was it the pedophilia that
00:41:47
brought them together and then they decided to, you know, work together or was it through work an odd conversation?
00:41:55
I don't know how that conversation starts, but uh I don't want to ever have that happen because I I I think I just
00:42:03
slapped the person. But then a weird thought kind of popped in my head. What if a lot of this pedophilia stuff What
00:42:09
if this other guy wasn't actually that involved? >> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? And it was just h
00:42:16
happen stance or something. >> It's it's it's possible. I The thing here is you you you imagine if this
00:42:22
Callahan guy is guilty of lesser crimes. I don't think he's letting somebody dump
00:42:27
bodies on his property, >> right? >> Um, actually, guilty or not guilty of anything, you're not letting people dump
00:42:33
bodies on your property. Um, >> well, and this starts making me feel a little more like the whole idea of um
00:42:42
sex trafficking, human trafficking. >> Mhm. Yeah. It it appears to be something of that nature. We we have these
00:42:48
unidentified people that that one could think part partly they they're unidentified because they were brought
00:42:55
into that area. Another connection here is that the first barrel that was found uh with the adult and the oldest child
00:43:04
that were dismembered in this barrel, remember they were found in trash bags, but these were multiple trash bags. So
00:43:12
what what Robert Evans did or whomever placed them there did was to package these things together. The trash bags
00:43:20
were tied together with electrical wire. Now we already said that he has a background as an electrician,
00:43:26
>> right? So that makes sense. >> This electrical wire could be could potentially be traced back to a place
00:43:32
called Carol Cable. Now this is interesting because that is where Denise Bowden worked. So,
00:43:42
I do want to throw this out there though. It is a bit of a loose connection because it's been presented
00:43:48
to me that that type of cable, that type of wire was actually a very common type
00:43:54
of wire. But again, here it would be another big coincidence, >> right? Well, but the fact of the matter
00:44:00
with the whole Denise case is he had her daughter. He took her daughter across the country. We've know we we see this
00:44:08
pattern with him, you know, as far as murders go. >> And, you know, so we don't we don't have
00:44:14
to sit there and say, "Well, he he had some cable because he probably worked at this cable company. That's where she
00:44:21
worked." That's another nail in the head. I don't need any more nails in the head. You know, this guy,
00:44:27
>> right? I think it's more of a connection to the four unidentified bodies. Um, in
00:44:32
regards to Denise Bowden, there were people that provided law enforcement with pictures of this Robert Evans with
00:44:40
Denise Bowden. So, it's not just somebody coming forward and saying, "Well, I know this Robert Evans guy was
00:44:44
with Denise Bow." No, they have photographic proof. >> Um, some other kind of loose ends here
00:44:51
we have with the Allenstown victims. Remember the the the girlfriend wife that he killed in California? Um, all
00:44:59
five of these victims died from blunt force trauma. >> Um, and the the uh several almost all
00:45:08
these victims as well were dismembered. So, we we see a bit of a pattern as far as uh cleaning up a a scene and getting
00:45:16
rid of bodies. >> And through investigation, they were able to uncover that Robert Evans was
00:45:21
known to actually dump stuff on the site before. >> Yeah. and they had confirmed that
00:45:26
barrels from the mill from the Wombach mill were dumped on the property as well. Now, what they're saying in
00:45:33
regards to the actual two barrels where the bodies were found stuffed into >> is that these they're not they can't
00:45:40
place them as having come from the wombach mill but but it makes sense. I mean, >> but they're similar.
00:45:46
>> They're very similar. Yes. And then sometimes, you know, if you work in any warehouse, you know, sometimes you have
00:45:51
like everything normally comes in this crate or in this barrel, >> right? But then every now and then you
00:45:59
just get a couple crates or a couple barrels that look a little different. >> Get a oneoff,
00:46:04
>> right? And those might have been put to the side and he possibly could have used
00:46:07
those cuz they weren't using them at at his work. Mhm. That now remember we had said that they were able to establish
00:46:14
that at some point in the late 1970s that Robert T. Evans had moved into the Manchester, New Hampshire area. Uh they
00:46:23
have him living there until approximately 1981 when he leaves with Denise Bowden and her daughter.
00:46:30
um they are able to confirm, they don't know the exact time or date that he would have moved into this property, but
00:46:37
they have him as living at a at 925 Hayward Street in Manchester, New Hampshire. Now, what has taken place
00:46:46
since all of this uncovering has happened is that they have gone back to that property and mainly they went back
00:46:54
there to look for the remains of Denise Bowden. Um they they spent almost I think they spent three or four days
00:47:02
there uh with FBI and other agencies involved and they were unable to find any trace of remains, human remains or
00:47:11
Denise >> Bowden. And the problem is it's 30 some years later. >> Mhm. So of course police are still
00:47:16
looking for Denise Bowden. Uh she's been missing since November of 1981. She was
00:47:22
23 years old at the time that she had disappeared or was last seen. She had brown hair, brown eyes. She was about 5
00:47:30
foot4 to 5 foot six inches tall, 120 to 140 pounds. She had a noticeable overbite. Um, and as we had said, she
00:47:39
was known to have been living in the Manchester, New Hampshire area. Um, the problem though is when you have a guy
00:47:47
like Robert T. Evans who moves all over the country with all these different names. You don't know where you could
00:47:55
potentially find this person. She might even be a Jane Doe in some other state that that's been sitting there waiting
00:48:02
to be named all these years. >> Did they do a DNA test between the girl that he left abandoned and the girls
00:48:09
that were in the barrel >> to see if there was some kind of connection there? Yeah,
00:48:13
>> there I believe they have and I believe that there is not um any type of connection to to them as far as being
00:48:20
relatives. >> So I would I would just be it would be suspect to me that that that the middle
00:48:27
child that they believe is connected to Bob Evans >> or Robert Evans would be maybe related
00:48:33
to the Bowdens. >> Yeah. Anything's a possibility at this point. So, what do we Let's try to point
00:48:41
out what we think we know about Robert Evans. Uh, because we have these little patches in time where we don't have
00:48:48
information on where he is. And this becomes a big problem because we we're starting to see what this guy is
00:48:55
probably capable of. I mean, he's a chameleon, right? He he's a guy that moves into an area.
00:49:00
>> Well, no. I mean, here's what we do know is we do know that he's capable of kidnapping. We know he's capable of
00:49:07
abandoning children. We know that he's cap he is, you know, worked and probably was in cahoots with a pedophile with a
00:49:15
known pedophile >> and he's capable of murder. >> So, we know he's capable of a lot.
00:49:20
>> And it's very it's not it's very likely that he's a serial killer that's been
00:49:24
moving around this country for decades. So, the police estimate that Robert Evans was born between the years of 1936
00:49:34
and 1952. Well, that's quite a span of time there. That's 16 years of of not being able That's scary when when you
00:49:43
have this guy that you're saying he's our number one suspect. He's probably guilty of this, but we don't even know
00:49:50
if this is his real name and we can't tell you how old he is either. Mhm. >> So the reason the way that they come up
00:49:57
with these years as having been possible birth dates that he was born sometime during this time is that on you know
00:50:04
certain paperwork that he had filled out over the years he used different dates that fell within this this range. Um he
00:50:13
did die in prison um in December of 2010. So he will be unable to face justice regarding these victims that
00:50:22
that we have in Allentown. He's also going to be unable to provide us with any information as to who he is or
00:50:27
potential additional victims that he may have. >> Well, I can get I can tell you who he
00:50:32
is. >> Well, uh, he changed his name obviously frequently. Um, he had some there's a
00:50:40
lot of suspected aliases, but we can go through the confirmed aliases. He he had
00:50:45
lived or worked under these names at one time or another. Uh, this being Robert T. Evans, also Curtis Mayo, Kimble,
00:50:53
General Gerald Mocker, uh Gordon Curtis Jensen, and Lawrence William Vanner, which was the name that he was using
00:51:03
when he murdered his his girlfriend that he was living with. >> Yeah. >> Occupations. Uh he had worked at
00:51:09
different times as a electrician or a ma mechanic. Um they have a suspicion that
00:51:14
he might have possibly worked at the Manchester, New Hampshire VA. Um, and here's here's one thing that they're
00:51:22
really looking into right now regarding him is that they think they suspect he might have some form of military
00:51:29
background. And they even kind of specified that they believe it might be the Navy.
00:51:34
>> Mhm. >> And this just being because of the way that he would write dates, the way that
00:51:39
he carried himself, the way that he talked to people uh at different jobs that he had had. Um, and they they even
00:51:45
say that he was known to kind of rig things rather than fix them. That he would rig them in a manner that was
00:51:53
would be something that they would be used to seeing in a military fashion. >> Right. So, he would kind of jerryrig a
00:52:00
bunch of stuff. And uh but he was also a known alcoholic as as well. >> Yeah. They believe that he was probably
00:52:06
an alcoholic for most of his life. kind of like when he got cigarettes and and and booze and said, "None of your
00:52:13
goddamn business." >> Yeah. >> It's none of your goddamn business if I'm an alcoholic.
00:52:18
>> Well, and he was obviously, you know, as far as characteristics go, he was obviously a transient. Um, and they can
00:52:24
confirm that he throughout his life lived in different campgrounds, trailer parks, and motel. You know, not really
00:52:30
lying roots in too many places or too many places for a very long period of time. um confirmed locations. Now, this
00:52:39
is important because they're trying to figure out one where this guy was from. You know, he pops up on the map in the
00:52:45
late '7s. They have nothing of of him before that, but his confirmed locations would be obviously New Hampshire and in
00:52:52
California, but they also have tied him to the state of Idaho. And this is because he was arrested in the mid80s in
00:53:01
California with a stolen vehicle from the state of Idaho. Now, what what they're really looking for and hoping
00:53:07
for is that somebody comes forward and and says, "You know what? I know, you know, I knew the guy that stole my
00:53:13
vehicle or or he lived down the street and he he went by this name, right?" >> Um, so those are the confirmed
00:53:19
locations. They have some possible locations where they think that he may have lived.
00:53:24
>> Well, cuz he could he could have possibly been in jail for other murders. >> Mhm. Yeah. And so the possible locations
00:53:33
of where he he may have lived at some point would be the state of Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Wyoming, Colorado,
00:53:41
Missouri, Virginia, Georgia, Louisiana, Hawaii, a small part of Canada and Quebec. Canada.
00:53:49
>> Well, possibly Hawaii. I mean, that would make sense if he was in the Navy. >> Yeah, he could have been stationed there
00:53:54
for for whatever reason. And also the the state of Texas. M >> um now I do want to throw this out
00:54:01
there. This guy is obviously not to be believed on anything. You know what I mean? That
00:54:08
we we you know, you know, people that that tell stories and you say, "Well, take what they say with a grain of
00:54:13
salt." I I don't even think you use a grain of salt when you're talking about Robert Evans here. I the these are
00:54:19
locations that they question because he has some ties or he has said mentioned these places to people at some point in
00:54:27
his life. Now, any of those background stories that he was giving to these people could be completely fabricated,
00:54:34
>> right? Complete malarkey. >> Yeah, they seem to be really focusing on the state of Texas as far as law
00:54:40
enforcement goes. They're they're really interested in the state of Texas. Um, and
00:54:45
>> yeah, and I think what's going to come down to is they're going to they're doing a lot of hard work. And I and I
00:54:49
I'm grateful for them to do that because there are other missing person cases. There's a there's probably other John or
00:54:58
John Doe's probably Jane Does in this scenario, but there's missing person cases. There's Jane Does out there that
00:55:05
are connected to this guy. Yep. >> And they just need to keep doing the work to do that and maybe bring closure
00:55:11
to somebody. >> Mhm. And well then that leads us perfectly into this because then you
00:55:16
start to wonder Bob Evans, Robert Evans, uh his victims and potential victims. Who would be his potential victims?
00:55:23
Well, obviously the Allenstown 4, which seems like he's very, very likely the guilty person in that situation.
00:55:31
>> Um, we also have the disappearance of Denise Bowden, who's still not been found, who went missing in 1981,
00:55:38
>> right? >> Um, of course, his his ex-wife, ex-girlfriend that that he killed in in
00:55:43
California. >> Um, but we also have the mother of the middle child in Allentown,
00:55:51
>> right? we have this this whole other woman that's not we don't have a name for her. We don't
00:55:57
>> we don't know anything about this person, right? This is a whole potential victim that that we don't know anything
00:56:02
about. Now, there is some suspicions regarding some possibilities of who could be that middle child's mother. Um,
00:56:11
and this being a woman that they are trying to figure out if she even existed or not. Um, and her name would be
00:56:19
Elizabeth Evans. So, in January of of 1980, a certified letter addressed to Robert Evans was signed for by a person
00:56:28
by the name of Elizabeth Evans. Um, and at two points in in that same year, he was arrested. Um, and on both of those
00:56:36
times, at both of those times, he listed his spouse's name as Elizabeth. Now, the
00:56:42
strange thing here though is on a later arrest date in October of 1980, he's arrested again, and this time he does
00:56:49
not list a spouse. So, >> right, >> again, they're unable to confirm if this person even exists or not. Or or could
00:56:57
it be somebody living under an alias that's traveling along with him? >> Right. But Right. But but but by force.
00:57:06
You see what I'm saying? Mhm. >> I think it's more likely if if he was traveling with somebody again, he's
00:57:12
either conning them or it's by force and he's holding people and that's goes back
00:57:17
to the whole sex trafficking. >> And if this Evans person is not the mother of the middle child, then you
00:57:25
increase your potential victim list by by another person. Um it's it's it's a crazy case. Um one of the strangest that
00:57:33
that I've seen. Um, I got to say here though, Captain, what really what really kind of drives this
00:57:40
whole thing and what I'm really excited about and and is to see somebody in law enforcement take it the extra steps.
00:57:48
That detective that put him away for murder in California back in 2002. I love that she gets a gut feeling that
00:57:56
something just doesn't sit right with her and she decides, you know what, we're going to mandate this dude take a
00:58:01
DNA test. >> Yeah. because this guy's passed away since then. If this went unnoticed back
00:58:07
then, we would be sitting here with no I know we have a whole bunch of extra questions involved, but we'd be sitting
00:58:12
here with no answers at all. She not only did her darnest to put him behind bars,
00:58:16
>> you know, when we don't have a lot of cases where we we have talked about, you
00:58:20
know, women and law enforcement, so it's kind of serendipitous. >> Since then, she has been promoted to
00:58:25
captain and and she is nearing retirement. >> She's a captain. Yeah, she's a captain
00:58:30
just like youaptain >> of a but she's a captain of a much bigger prestigious garage than this one.
00:58:35
I'm >> captain. My captain. >> That's right. So, >> I salute her. >> She's coming up on retirement and she
00:58:42
said that she is hoping to >> There's nothing wrong with older ladies. >> All right. U you can you can you can
00:58:48
send her some fan mail on your own time. >> How about some flowers >> or some socks
00:58:54
>> or Yeah. Hey, >> but she she's coming up on retirement. She does say that she plans to assist uh
00:59:01
the New Hampshire State Police uh even well into retirement as far as Robert Evans is concerned.
00:59:07
>> Well, here's what I like about it is normally when law enforcement gets the man, right, they get who they think is
00:59:14
responsible for a murder or for a crime, it normally stops, right? We don't need
00:59:21
to go any further. And yeah, I understand that we're going to keep diving into this Robert Evans guy
00:59:27
because we want to know if he had any other victims and can we bring closure to anybody else.
00:59:32
>> But we still have these four identifi unidentified people in these barrels and we're going to continue to do some
00:59:41
work to try to figure out who they are. >> Because because they deserve answers,
00:59:46
you know what I mean? They deserve an end of their story. >> And they believe that with presenting to
00:59:52
the public who this killer is, who killed those people, that they think that now they might be able to put an
00:59:58
identity to these people by tracing it through that of Robert Evans or any of these other aliases that he had given
01:00:05
throughout the years. >> And what was so great is, you know, I posted uh, you know, the DNA where they
01:00:11
reconstruct what they think they would look like. I I posted that picture on our Instagram and and Twitter and
01:00:17
everything and a lot of people retweeted it and you know I mean that's nice because it, you know, promotes the show,
01:00:23
but it's also just to get this picture out there. How many of hundreds I mean here here's the thing that drives me
01:00:30
insane is that somebody like you know Kim Kardashian or somebody will post something on the internet and it's
01:00:36
millions and millions and for what you nobody you know put your fat ass away >> you know and go ruin another guy's
01:00:44
career Kanye hasn't put out [ __ ] since he's been with you nothing good anyways
01:00:50
but if people of that power if they put out this picture and millions of people saw that maybe we get some closure in
01:00:57
some of this stuff. >> Yeah. And I'm hoping that this thing catches fire because, you know, the
01:01:03
weird thing in researching this case, first of all, it wasn't it wasn't a case that I knew too much about. Um, and when
01:01:09
I started diving into it, I started seeing um, you know, witnesses, people coming forward in in the state of New
01:01:17
Hampshire that that are saying I shouldn't say witnesses, these are people being interviewed uh, for for
01:01:23
news stating that, you know what, >> I I didn't I hadn't heard of this case until five, six years ago, which is
01:01:29
which is crazy. I mean, it's four bodies in a barrel, but again, it it never went
01:01:32
anywhere. Um, so >> well the longevity of this, you know, starting way back in the 80s and then,
01:01:39
you know, almost 15 years later, then another barrel and then almost another 15 years later, DNA evidence and now we
01:01:46
have a guy. We still but again, we still have four victims that remain uh nameless
01:01:54
>> and they're they're working very hard. They got a lot of leads that they're working on. One of those being something
01:01:58
you mentioned earlier where they are going to use that same those same ways that they found out who Lisa Bowden was.
01:02:06
>> They're using those same methods to try to trace genealogy with the with the three un three and four unknown victims
01:02:14
uh in uh Allentown. >> Well, hopefully we get some answers. >> The thing here is though I I you touched
01:02:21
upon something too that that I want to just take a quick second to mention. you know, they're they're really curious
01:02:26
about the state of Texas for some reason, and they won't fully disclose why. Um, my suspicion, you said
01:02:34
something, maybe he had served time in prison at one point. Uh, and maybe that's why he just kind of pops up on
01:02:40
the map all of a sudden in 1977. And you would think, yes, you could connect him
01:02:44
via the fingerprints to an inmate, but maybe they've not tested it against the right sample. The thing here is I wonder
01:02:52
is also so old, you know. >> Yeah. And remember when we when we covered the yogurt shop murders, we
01:02:57
talked about how the state of Texas was releasing prisons due to overcrowding in
01:03:02
the 70s. This guy just pops up all of a sudden in the 70s. They're focusing on the state of Texas. I'm curious if he
01:03:08
might have served some time in the state of Texas. May maybe the other thing though is he's he's a runaway that
01:03:14
joined the military or the Navy and he doesn't pop up until he he gets out of the Navy.
01:03:19
>> It's a fascinating case. I really do think that we're going to see a lot of information come out regarding Robert T.
01:03:26
Evans and hopefully these unidentified victims within this next year. >> Again, yeah, hopefully we get some
01:03:32
answers. And again, thanks for sharing uh all the stuff on social media. And uh do we have a recommended reading for
01:03:38
this week? >> We do. We have a recommended reading and a recommended viewing. First up, the
01:03:44
reading, of course, the book we discussed yesterday, Expecting to Die by Lisa Jackson. Uh, that's a fictional
01:03:50
thriller. You can pick that up. We have that listed on our recommended page on our website, and you can pick that up
01:03:55
through the Amazon banner there. And for recommended viewing, I'm I'm pretty pumped up about this, Captain. It's
01:04:01
called Capture, Kill, Release. It's about a young married couple that documents their descent down the rabbit
01:04:07
hole as they seek to fulfill one of their darkest desires. Uh, this is loosely based off of the real life Ken
01:04:15
and Barbie murders, which of course is one of the most famous cases from our brothers and sisters up north in Canada.
01:04:21
Uh, so check out Capture Kill Release that just came out this week and that's available on Amazon as well. Again, big
01:04:28
happy happy happy women's day. So proud of you crazy freaks that listen to murder shows.
01:04:40
Anyways, thanks for listening. Thanks for the support. And we'll see you next week.
01:04:44
>> And until then, be good, be kind, and don't litter, except for Darren.