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has a lot of claims I mean we're not going to hear about Bigfoot we're not going to hear
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about alien abduction but there's going to be a lot of interesting claims in this case the Heather te case was
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dormant for nearly 9 years but in 2004 a detective from Medina Ohio this is detective Scott Thomas came up with an
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intriguing theory he believed that it was possible that Heather had been abducted by somebody else this was
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Henderson Kentucky native Chris below this is all laid out in an expose in the akine Beacon Journal that ran in early
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February of 2005 detective Thomas was assigned to the Ohio Cold Case of missing woman
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Katherine Fetzer Katherine vanished in November of 1991 after leaving a note for her husband that she was going to
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the mall but she was actually having an affair this is with a married man the man that we just mentioned Chris below
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the two met where all great love stories start at the plasty Coat Factory this is
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where the two worked they were seeing each other on the sly for months when Catherine
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vanished the affair came to light and Chris denied any involvement in her disappearance and was not cooperating
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with the investigation Madina detective David shows spent 11 years trying to pin her
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death on Chris he determined that Chris purchased a handgun at a Medina gun show
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17 days before Catherine vanished then Chris sold the gun at a pawn shop after the detective questioned him about
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Catherine then in early 1992 Chris's third ex-wife told police that on the day Catherine vanish Chris met a friend
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at the couple's apartment and this friend helped him move a vehicle that was the same model as the missing
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woman's the friend Richard Lawrence told police that Chris drove his Jeep over to
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Lawrence's house and asked him to help him move a car later that day Lawrence followed Chris driving a blue Ford Tempo
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to Southern Madina County where below left the car near some railroad tracks this was the same make in model and
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color of the car that Catherine the missing woman was driving right Lawrence observed that Chris sat in the car for a
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few minutes and appeared to be wiping down the steering wheel and door before he got out of the vehicle Lawrence also
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noticed a blue tarp that CHR used to cover his motorcycle was in the back of the Jeep this he says was unusual
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because Chris never left his motorcycle uncovered Lawrence also knew that Chris was having the affair but he didn't know
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with whom he later heard that a missing woman named Katherine fetzer's car had been found right where he had seen Chris
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Park the vehicle so soon after this event Captain Chris drove the Jeep back to Kentucky where he was from neither
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the white Jeep nor the blue tarp has ever been seen again or ever located when looking into this new suspect Chris
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below the Ohio detectives came to believe that Chris might have dumped the Jeep in the Ohio River on the Kentucky
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side in a deep spot this is a real thing that stood out for me in this case they
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believe that he dumped the Jeep in the Ohio River on the Kentucky side in a deep spot where locals often disposed of
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vehicles which would then get Swept Away by the river so if you know of this spot
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if this spot actually exists and it does exactly what we just said and you're a very dangerous person that needs to hide
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conceal discard get rid of evidence well you got your spot and that's a scary thing when we have people with basically
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with what our allegations are against this guy well I'm not so sure that this River can take away the car that I'm not
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a scientist so I don't know how that would work but what it does do is once it's emerged in that water especially
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for a long period of time and might take law enforcement a long period of time to
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find that vehicle now any evidence that's in that vehicle is probably going to be washed away well and this spot
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just so happens to be let less than a mile from where Heather Teague was abducted in
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1995 so we have these detectives that are convinced that Chris murdered Katherine Fetzer in
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1991 they resorted to mailing letters to Chris pretending to be a relative of the
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missing woman of Catherine's pleading for information about her Chris ignored them he did time in an Ohio prison after
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serving time for stealing money from a little team in Holmes County and then moved back to Henderson Kentucky where
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he was from this in August of 1994 I mean think about this this guy's a real piece of [ __ ] I mean one three
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wives every time that we have a real piece of [ __ ] it's always they got three wives they it's like there they might be
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pieces of [ __ ] but they're they're good con men and then this [ __ ] or they're
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really bad at choosing wives yeah no um but no but then this [ __ ] steals money from a little league team
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yeah that's pretty low down that's that's pretty low down yeah that's Bad News Bears but the thing here Captain is
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not only do these detectives believe that he is responsible for The Disappearance of Katherine Fetzer but
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they also believe that he might have killed other women as well yeah a serial killer Evansville Indiana police picked
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ped Chris up in November of 2003 and they went to an apartment where he was living with a woman and her five
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kids and arrested him on accusations that he had molested his niece detective Thomas took this opportunity to
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interview Chris he confronted Chris with Katherine's missing person's case and question him for 4 hours by the end
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Chris confessed that he shot Catherine in his apartment in Madina Ohio detective Scott tried to get to the
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bottom of where he hid the body right Chris told him that he ditched her in a dumpster but detectives found evidence
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that Chris once bragged about knowing how to quote get rid of bodies this by burying them in a shallow grave and
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putting lime on top or feeding them to Hogs which will eat everything including clothing and Bones this was quoted from
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the 14news.com story I guess after this confession Captain Chris was extradited to Ohio his
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attorney struck a deal with prosecutors who without the body they don't have this Catherine's body right so they were
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kind of backed into a corner here and felt that they had to take what they could get so the deal was that Chris
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agreed to serve a 11 to 18 years for manslaughter which is obviously not enough but you also have all these
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accusations that he's also a child molester so at some point you're you got to get this animal off the streets so he
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can't hurt anybody else he was 39 years old at the time and he started serving his sentence in the fall of
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204 so anybody out there looking for a future ex-husband would be happy to know he should be released in
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2021 no the answer is no so who is this guy you want to look into this guy for a
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little bit piece of [ __ ] is what he is right I I second that uh Chris below was
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a real wild one and not in a good way born and raised in Kentucky and the product of an unhappy marriage and even
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though he chased a lot of women it looks like he had a real disdain for them he had a tattoo on his chest depicting a
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horned woman which he described to investigators as showing women as quote blood sucking [ __ ] end quote and
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despite being a real [ __ ] Chris was married five times that we know of oh my God and was engaged when he was finally
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busted so five times that we know of sounds like he was working on number six so what does all of this have to do with
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our case with the missing person case Heather teag well they already proved that he knew the area well that's right
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he he grew up in the area and in November of 2004 Kentucky State Police confirmed that Chris was under
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investigation as a person of interest in The Disappearance of Heather te MH after
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the Ohio detective started looking into unsolved cases of missing women in Indiana and Kentucky places that they
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knew that Chris lived well a question for you did do do we have any drug history with this Chris guy I don't know
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I can't say for certain that we have anything on the books uh my suspicions are that yes that
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that that we would because because we have some Onan ofan use with W with Heather so I'm just wondering if that
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could be the connection there yeah I think there could be all kinds of possibilities when we talk about this
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guy so let let's get into a little bit about what the detectives discovered in regards to Chris and their suspicions of
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him they knew that Chris was living in the Henderson Kentucky area in August of 1995 when Heather was abducted on the
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day that Marty Dill killed himself Chris abruptly moved to Georgia this is all very strange he's living in the area
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when she was abducted and on the day that Marty Dill killed himself he gets up and he he takes it to Georgia mhm
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Chris and Heather Teague apparently had some acquaintances in common so they may
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have there's a chance they may have known each other but what we do have here is at least saying that hey people
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that they knew knew each other Heather made a call from a pay phone outside of a bar near Henderson this is the night
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before she vanished this bar was frequented by both Chris below and Marty Dill right so it doesn't have to be one
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or one or the other could be both there you go that's where my mind goes yeah cuz I mean that suicide like I said
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doesn't make a lot of sense I mean yes you don't want to go back to jail but it's a it's essentially a drug charge
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but if you have a murder charge now now you're facing hold different kind of sentence those are what I think are the
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most damning thoughts about what could connect him to this case we do have one more statement and this is from The acan
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Beacon Journal where they have people that are saying that Chris hung out at the beach where Heather was last seen he
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was known by these people according to their claims to drink and do drugs there I do want to point out we also covered
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that article that says 5 to 600 people may have been at that somewhere along that beach that day mhm so it seems to
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me like most of the people in the area went to that beach so I that that whole thing I don't think is such a big deal I
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find the bar thing really interesting though yeah here's what's fascinating though you this woman she Heather was a
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pretty lady she catches your eye you at some point see her leave you now know her vehicle as you're driving around
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maybe that Beach area you spot her vehicle and and like we said she wasn't in the major populated spot of the beach
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she was kind of secluded so is it possible that these two individuals were hanging out and saw
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her vehicle parked and said hey remember that girl from last night and maybe there was conversations that they had
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with that girl with Heather that night and here's another thing in regards to Chris's
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appearance the physical traits of we're going to quote he from The akan Beacon Journal just because they really
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summed it up very succinctly and they stated quote outwardly he would alternate between an
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attractive confident man sporting a cowboy hat for a photo that he passed out to women that that he was intrigued
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by that he wanted to talk to wait he would uh pass out a photo he carried a photo with him here you go ladies eat
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your heart out well I think what they're trying to point out here Captain is that
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sometimes this man had the ability to appear to be cleancut right while other times he appeared to be strung out
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looking a mountain man with unkempt hair and a scraggly beard bushy hair and the
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beard yeah there was one thing though that Chris could not hide whether it be under a cowboy hat or you know when he
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did have that cleancut look he could not hide a peculiar genetic Quirk that gave
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him kind of a distinct look when resting at his sides his arms were bowed and His
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Hands turned in a awkwardly position so his palms faced backward with his thumbs against his
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thighs this is a little strange what what could this possibly matter people are wondering so here's where the case
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starts to go off the rails while looking into Heather te's file in it the detective found the composite drawing of
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the scraggly bearded man whom Tim wal described to investigators as the man he saw dragging Heather into the woods
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right and Thomas believed that he saw in the drawing evidence exhibited by that physical nature of Chris with the hands
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turn turned inward right Tim wal told investigators that when he witnessed the abduction he said quote I remembered
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everything about the guy especially how he held his hands turned in and in my humble garage opinion the
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drawing compiled based on Tim wal's memory it does resemble Chris well and we have no eyewitnesses coming forward
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saying that they saw Chris's vehicle so that makes a lot of sense because we do know that this Bronco was in the area
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mhm so again points back to two individuals and also maybe you commit suicide because you know how big of a
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piece of [ __ ] Chris is and if he is like you said possibly a serial killer then
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we know that he's capable of murdering you as well it's really difficult because we do have the witness who seem
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to be very certain that it was in fact Marty Dill that he saw that day on the beach but we do have a statement of him
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later after he saw the photo of Chris he says you know whether he still thought it was Marty or who took Heather
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or if it could have been Chris he says quote if you asked me five years ago I would have said yes this in regards to
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Marty Dill now he's saying now I don't know right as for Heather's mother really she didn't know what to
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make of this development because remember she had been told by the state police that Marty did this so let's
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let's talk about this composite sketch that police used to to lead them to Marty Dill first of all it's pretty
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detailed I mean considering that the witness was half a mile away and looking through a telescope right it seems a
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little dubious that uh Tim wtha would have observed such a small detail as to the way that the suspect's hands lie
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against his thighs mhm I find that look Tim wtha has come under quite a bit of attack and a lot of it I don't Sarah is
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not going to love hearing me say this I don't agree with most of it one thing I do find very strange about his story is
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this whole thing about the the way that the suspect's hands were against his thighs we have his statement that this
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took place very quickly and we know that two things according his to his statement were going on at the time one
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the suspect is carrying a revolver in one hand and at some point the suspect grabs the hair of Heather Teague pulls
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her up and twist it so this this whole thing takes place in a very short window of time and for a good deal of
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that both hands are occupied both hands are doing something where they would not
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be resting naturally at their sides or unnaturally at their sides right so I find
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to be either either it's very convenient now that we have a new suspect or it's just I don't I don't really know what to
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make of it I'm I'm very skeptical of it to say the least well in In fairness to Heather's mother I mean when you go
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through this uh traumatic situation and you're not getting answers and and at at
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one point they're going it's this guy 100% And then they go H wait a second maybe it's this guy guy mhm and then you
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have the possibility like we already said could be both guys and then so and then you find out that the
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eyewitnesses has some relationships possibly with law enforcement and then you start questioning like we said
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before he you know all records point that this eyewitness didn't call 911 that he end up calling um the
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sheriff department dep or the police department in that area mhm which is not crazy but if I see
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something that I think possibly could be violence especially against a female call 911 immediately
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but we have a gap in time uh and I think what also probably has really rubbed Heather's mother the wrong way is every
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time initially that she was dealing with the police she was also dealing with the
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eyewitness mhm and I think that would raise some you know red flags why didn't you just talk to them and get his
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statements but he seems to be very invested into this investigation and look again if you're a
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true crime fan then you're going to go hey there plenty of times that suspects will uh
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insert themselves into an investigation is that what this eyewitness is doing and that can just play tricks on your
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mind when you're not getting answers the the difficult for the difficult thing for Tim to have been involved in
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this is just that in my opinion he could have only been involved there would have
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had to have been other people involved and I say that because we do do know for a fact that he did call police right
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whether the story he's giving is true or a complete lie we know that he called the police and gave a statement of
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something he says that he's seeing what we also know to be true is we have the videotape proof evidence of her vehicle
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entering the beach that day so if in fact that was her driving her vehicle and I mean the notes say here that the
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video tape I've not seen the videotape but everything I found says that the videotape also shows Heather walking
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down to the beach by herself mhm if all of those things happen then what that tells me if Tim is a bad guy if he's
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lying if he is somehow involved in her disappearance then he is still just calling it in from across the water and
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something else was going on and this might have been a bigger a whole bigger nasty thing that was going on that
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that's really hard to pinpoint just one person well impossible to pinpoint one person for being
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responsible before we move on from the composite sketch though Captain I do want to point out hold on I do want to
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point out that he was also with his wife at the time and so if he's involved then
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his wife would have to be involved as well the thing with the composite sketch according to Sarah and
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I I like this I like this questioning that she has going on regarding the sketch itself because she says at some
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point hey I believe what they did was they reverse engineered this whole sketch meaning they didn't sit Tim down
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and he describes the guy and then they pull up the paper and go oh this is what he described no she's saying there's a
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possibility that they were drawing a picture of Marty Dill right and remember His Old driver's license in fact does
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match the description of the composite sketch right so they could have pulled out from their records and then use that
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to draw composite draw and nobody really will know for sure we do have the Kentucky State Police on record saying
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no we drew the guy as described by our witness and and we do have we we do have Tim on record who says look all I know
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is I saw a guy take a girl off the beach and I described what he looked like yeah
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but you know what this sounds like remember with making a murder where they have um a lineup a photo photograph
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lineup and they end up putting Stephen Avery in that lineup it sounds very similar to that mhm where it's like okay
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well we have some eyewitnesses that maybe saw this Bronco we know who owns that Bronco we know this guy is kind of
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a shady character so draw him draw him up and that's what Sarah is pointing out she's like look that that whole bit
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slipped through the cracks and they screwed up by reverse engineering this composite sketch and oh I figured it out
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because you didn't put two and two together that that this guy doesn't actually still look like this he may
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have looked like this at one time but he doesn't at the time of the abduction now
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the tricky thing as we've already pointed out is Chris below does not I mean he looks like the composite as well
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mhm so it's I mean it's really just a very difficult thing we even have a statement by Sarah the mother who says
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at some point where she actually believes that maybe the composite was somehow put together after they were
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already on to to Chris which I with Marty I'm sorry which is not so much different than what she was saying years
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ago we're going to segue just briefly here captain and look at whether Chris would be connected to any other missing
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women as stated by the police detective Thomas believed that since Chris worked as a truck driver along routes that
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included North and South Carolina Florida Alabama and Louisiana that he should be looked at in other cases of
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missing women around the country there does seem to be reason to suspect that he could be a repeat offender or even
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possibly a serial killer as you pointed out and here are some reasons why his half-sister Melissa told police that her
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brother kept a shoe box of items that were suspicious she said a reporter to a reporter quote he pulled out the box one
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time and said if anything ever happens to me hold on to this so what was in the Box according to Melissa in it were
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letters new photos right and items of jewelry but it also contained flyers for five or six missing women she said that
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Chris had moved the items in the shoe box to a metal box with a lock after he found out that she looked through it and
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had taken the box with him when he left investigators executed numerous search warrants looking for this box in
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December of 2004 multiple agencies joined in the search for this box when they searched Chris's fiance's home they
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also opened up a storage unit that was rented by Chris they're looking for that lockbox they're looking for according to
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the newspapers items that could connect him to The Disappearance of Heather Teague as well they did not find the
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lockbox but they did find a certified mail receipt that placed Chris in St Cloud Florida in 1998 at the time when a
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woman by the name of Mary kushu vanished after leaving a local bar she's never been found either and her
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episode or two just on this Christopher character if anybody wants to look him up it's Christopher J below or below or
00:33:26
Bellow how however you want to pronounce it but it's spelled b e l o w look him up he's suspected in a lot of different
00:33:34
cases some of them seem to be a bit of a leap and others seem to have quite a bit
00:33:39
more weight to them but he's an interesting one to consider we won't totally move off of him though because I
00:33:45
want to touch on this real quick in regards to the case that we're talking about this is from a November 2004
00:33:53
article that ran in 14news.com actually a series of articles about Chris being considered a person of
00:34:01
interest and it contains a new Theory one that you were dancing around earlier and this states that in the article it
00:34:09
reveals some information about the videos that we talked about earlier where we have the farmers who were
00:34:16
setting up a surveillance so to speak of the area of the day in question and the
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article States regarding this video that the investigators believe that the suspect that Dill Marty
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Dill is behind the wheel of his Bronco remember the video captured her car her walking to the beach and the Bronco
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right and they also say that the video captured possibly Dill behind the wheel of the Bronco with maybe Heather being
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in the bed of the truck and investigators say it appears that Heather's car may have been ran sacked
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and the person who is doing it was probably not well is hiding from the camera I'm guessing that the camera
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would have been obvious to people in the area mhm most likely to the right of the
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car where the corn stalks have been crushed down the investigators speculate that Dill Marty Dill drove the Bronco
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while someone else assaulted Heather in the back of the vehicle and they believe
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that that someone could be Chris below intriguing right we have two suspects that both look good for this abduction
00:35:30
separately but also together as well well we have a questionable eyewitness questionable as far as the family is
00:35:39
questioning uh his involvement well I think this is where we warn everybody to hang on because this case will get even
00:35:47
stranger as we go because there is an entirely different set of circumstances to consider and this will take us down a
00:35:54
whole other path to the possible truth yeah some rabbit holes Sarah Teague says that the FBI which were involved in
00:36:02
Heather's case came to her in 2005 and stated that agents discovered evidence that sat in the evidence room at the
00:36:10
Kentucky State Police and was never tested the state police had screwed up the investigation the agency recommended
00:36:17
that Sarah pursue the case at the federal level she should have Heather legally declared dead if she did so it
00:36:25
would allow the bi to provide her with their documentation about the case pursuant to Foya request let's Ponder
00:36:34
this just for a second right evidence in the custody of the State Police sat collecting dust rather than being tested
00:36:43
all of this time yeah in the face of the same agency telling the family that Marty Dill killed their daughter and
00:36:52
then killed himself that's the problem though is sometimes with these cases you have law enforcement going hey we think
00:37:00
this is the guy we just can't prove it okay now we have to move on to other cases but this whole time you had some
00:37:06
evidence that was sitting there and you believe you you you've identified the victim you believe you've identified the
00:37:12
per let's let's test some evidence right and see if we can close a case I agree with you so after after doing as
00:37:21
instructed after declaring having her declared dead Sarah got her hands on on the FBI Files which were of course
00:37:30
heavily redacted now we have only Sarah's word for what these files contained they have not been made public
00:37:40
although the find Heather tag.com web page has some brief excerpts so all of this information is according to Sarah
00:37:50
now this is some of what she said she has uncovered an unnamed e FBI agent wrote in a 2005 memo that Heather Teague
00:38:01
was last seen on a boat ramp not on the beach on a boat ramp 2 hours after the key witness called police FBI documents
00:38:11
indicate more than one person may have been involved in Heather's disappearance Sarah believes that Heather may have
00:38:17
been going into the witness protection program based on some of the documents stating quote WP program on them one of
00:38:28
the documents ex served for public view on Sarah's site written by an FBI agent in 2005 includes the statement presently
00:38:38
attention is primarily being focused on the strong possibility of drug SL prostitution strip club public
00:38:46
corruption linked to Heather teague's abduction investigation continues a 2007 FBI synopsis mentioned
00:38:56
mention that something redacted in the memo was being kept a secret by the Kentucky State Police at the present
00:39:04
time no family member attorney is aware of the same the records don't explain why the FBI started looking into
00:39:14
Heather's disappearance Sarah said an FBI agent told her it was because the case was potentially connected to
00:39:21
another case in which the agency had interest the FBI docu ments on her site are very heavily redacted and almost
00:39:30
impossible to make heads or tals of one mentions a source has heard that certain
00:39:38
public officials in Henderson strongly enforce meth violations in an effort to promote and protect their cocaine
00:39:47
business it also mentions Uncle Sam's strip club another says that there was a club in hold on you're going you're
00:39:55
going over this too fast for me Uncle Sam's strip club meaning that the government has a strip club no that or
00:40:04
that there's an actual strip club called Uncle Sam's there's a strip club called
00:40:08
Uncle Sam's strip club Okay the reason why I'm going over this very fast is we're talking about documents Where damn
00:40:14
near everything has been blacked out on them so all you're getting is little bits and pieces and so we don't know
00:40:21
what their relationship is if anything that's the key thing there if anything is to this case but these are the things
00:40:28
that they chose not to redact and if in fact this did come from the FBI as Sarah
00:40:34
says it did then this is the breadcrumbs that we have yeah I mean there's a lot of it it seems like there's a
00:40:40
possibility because we know that Heather had some drug use that maybe there's some possibilities that she was working
00:40:49
with um law enforcement possibly to set up a sting for people that's one Theory and then and and and go with me on this
00:40:59
but the idea is that there was a sting that day it didn't go well she was taken captive and the reason why some of this
00:41:10
stuff hasn't been tested or we don't have answers from law enforcement is because since they were working with
00:41:17
Heather that they have to cover up that they made a mistake and they weren't able to protect her that's one of the
00:41:24
claims that are out there right and the way that that theory kind of goes in plays to the people that we've already
00:41:30
mentioned in this whole mess is the possibility of our witness actually being in the drug trade
00:41:38
himself who is phoning in a phony abduction that may involve the two suspects that we've already mentioned
00:41:47
one or both of them right we know that we have a Dead Man Marty Dill who was running some kind of growing selling
00:41:56
marijuana operation and that maybe somehow a lot of these people are in cahoots together
00:42:02
and he's phoning in something kind of a staged abduction that's meant to look like something else when really they're
00:42:09
they're just trying to shut up this young woman who is is looking to to put a lot of people behind bars right again
00:42:18
as said I I don't know we have to point out that that these documents they come from Sarah it take them for what what
00:42:27
they are or for what I guess for what we're being told that they are grain of salt we don't know if anything if this
00:42:33
has to do with the actual Abduction of her daughter it does mention a club in town called rumors really all this is
00:42:41
hinting at though there are rings that are doing illegal activities and making money doing illegal activities and
00:42:53
either Heather was aware of these or she was involved in taking them down that's
00:42:58
what that is meant to point at another whole mess in this this big case here Captain is the calls themselves the
00:43:07
calls that started it all with the eyewitness who says I witnessed the abduction phones it into police now
00:43:16
there's discrepancy whether 911 was called whether the Indiana state police was called whether the Kentucky State
00:43:23
Police was called and then transferred to Indiana State Police it gets all very messy very quick but
00:43:30
what we do know did happen is Sarah was eventually able to finally listen to this call because at some point she gets
00:43:39
suspicious of the eyewitness and of the call itself and at the very least says hey I'm the victim's mother at the very
00:43:48
least you could let me hear the call right well well and look I I just want to point out that there's so many cases
00:43:57
that we have looked into or that are a part of the True Crime world and when there's not
00:44:05
answers you start becoming suspicious of almost anybody so I I think that's what has
00:44:15
definitely happened in this case but I just want to say that that has happened with a lot of cases and then you that's
00:44:21
when you start getting the these ideas of these bigger conspiracies but again here's an individual the
00:44:29
eyewitness that has inserted themselves and law enforcement allowed that to happen so again I think it's within
00:44:39
the within her rights to go hey I'm suspicious of this person because you have allowed him to be here and to be so
00:44:48
present during this investigation well and I'm going to try to go through this as efficiently as possible possible
00:44:56
let's say because this is a long story and there's a lot of twists and turns in this portion of the story as well and I
00:45:03
don't want to lose anybody along the way so I'm going to try to make it efficient
00:45:08
but before we get into that it's it's not just a suspicion of other people being involved or or maybe your mind
00:45:15
runs wild and you go to these big conspiracy theories or anything like that it's also at some point you just go
00:45:22
maybe this group cannot solve this case maybe this group cannot figure out what happened to my loved one give me a damn
00:45:29
shot at it give me a shot at it I know that I don't have the resources that other places do maybe I can rally the
00:45:35
troops and maybe we can figure this thing out and look this is a cold case and it was cold years ago it didn't just
00:45:44
get cold last week this thing has been cold on ice for a while so I'm I'm fully with Sarah Teague here the short of it
00:45:54
to start us off here captain and regards to the call the eyewitness call to 911 would be that she says look I want
00:46:03
to hear the call and can you can you produce the call and give it to me can I get a file or a copy of this call she
00:46:09
gets to run around saying hey it's on real toore or we're having trouble locating it blah blah blah right but
00:46:17
this eventually ends up with her finally hearing it sitting down with law enforcement to hear it in 2008 M and she
00:46:25
says hey I heard a digital copy it wasn't real toore like I've been told all these years so that is going to
00:46:31
cause some suspicion on her part well Sarah te sued hold on a second yes it might cause some suspicion
00:46:40
but it's very possible that they took any realtoreal tape that they had and and converted into digital format
00:46:47
because it would save a lot of space well of course of course I know that you know that Sarah teue probably very well
00:46:53
knows that she's just going if it was so damn hard to get a hold of it for me to
00:46:57
hear it years ago why all of a sudden this and why is it not what you told me it was this whole time right so she sued
00:47:05
the State Police in 2016 this for denying her open records request relating to that call itself
00:47:14
this motivated by what her attorney says was a discrepancy in the call itself meaning the details that are given
00:47:22
during that call there's a discrepancy between what they heard when they listened to it in 2008 and then when
00:47:29
they heard it again in 2016 when they got permission to hear the call again it was played for them by
00:47:37
a state police detective that was assigned to the case now Sarah and her lawyer believed that it was different as
00:47:45
said as the one that they heard eight years earlier her lawyer said that the state detective told Sarah that the real
00:47:53
toore tape of the 911 call had not been sent to the FBI until 2012 and it was returned in digital
00:48:03
format in 2014 let's think about this for a second part of the reason why she's told hey we
00:48:09
can't produce this tape for you is we sent it off to the FBI M she saying when I finally heard it when I when they
00:48:18
produced it in 2008 it was a digital copy now in 2016 they're saying hey it wasn't sent
00:48:25
off to the FBI until 2012 when we got it back we got it back in digital format in
00:48:31
2014 the the stories either they don't know what's going on and they're perfectly
00:48:37
innocent and it's just they they've really screwed up the chain of custody on this this good piece of
00:48:45
evidence or they're telling them a story it's it's either one or the other it's either you drop the ball or you're
00:48:54
making this up as you go along and it feels like that and again if you feel like law enforcement is making stuff up
00:49:01
as it go along that's why I just I I feel so bad for the victim's families in a lot of
00:49:09
these cases I mean you look at the Amy mahalic case I mean and what that can do to parents and and
00:49:19
you're almost like grasping at straws and and and sometimes you hear people make fun of the victim's families
00:49:28
for looking for answers from psychics and from Terror readings and from wherever you know what I mean mhm but I
00:49:36
think it's just it just shows like you said if you think the law enforcement is telling you a story
00:49:45
then what hope do you have yeah I mean from the outside looking in here I mean obviously we're not privy to a lot of
00:49:53
the closed door meetings that Sarah had with law enforcement and mind you she is
00:49:58
talking to several different agencies she is represented by an attorney as well but I mean it looks like there is
00:50:08
something something fishy going on something and and maybe again maybe it's not anyone's fault per se maybe they're
00:50:17
not they're not puppeteering this whole Magic act but maybe they they just don't
00:50:24
they don't have the answer but don't make them up don't don't produce an answer if you just don't know
00:50:30
but it's also though difficult like you said we don't know the information that she has from law enforcement because
00:50:35
they had to disclose all that to her right but some of these leads or some of these things that they worked you know
00:50:42
like oh there's an eyewitness that saw her on a boat dock we don't know where that lead took them right and what we
00:50:50
end up having here is you know she wants these this recording or recordings depending on what whose side you believe
00:50:58
she wants them released in October of 2017 a judge agreed with Sarah because the state police their concerns about
00:51:07
releasing the 911 tape they're saying hey this is an open investigation we don't want this
00:51:14
released and the judge comes out and says look your concerns and the way you've explained
00:51:20
them to the court are vague speculative and extremely remote base right and he ruled that look it was a
00:51:29
complete disregard of Sarah's rights willfully violating the St the state open records law and so the judge
00:51:39
ordered that the state police release the call or calls again depending on who you believe and related chain of custody
00:51:47
information to Sarah and her attorney at that time so now they're given this information it's now Theirs to do what
00:51:54
they will with it in January of 2018 her attorney filed a motion for contempt and a motion
00:52:03
to compel the Motions claim that the state police failed to provide the records as ordered by the
00:52:11
judge so they've had four months to produce after the court ordered them to do so and they had not by this point
00:52:20
they had produced a grand total of zero materials that were required by the court so the judge ordered the state
00:52:26
police to pay Sarah's attorney's fees and cost and penalties which totaled over 23,000 well which is good for her but
00:52:37
yeah cuz she shouldn't have to go broke fighting them again for something she already won right but that's
00:52:43
again like like you've always said it's like is it evil or stupid if if you're just being stupid and that's why you
00:52:51
haven't given it to her or you're trying to be like oh well she sued us so we're
00:52:55
just just going to be uh pain in the ass about it but it's not affecting their pockets it's affecting the taxpayer
00:53:02
Pockets I imagine you know cuz she's probably suing the department she's not suing
00:53:09
individual detectives or officers and so good that they have to pay for her lawyer fees but it also just
00:53:18
makes it seem evil like there's something nefarious going on here like they're trying to cover up something
00:53:25
look and I'm not coming after the Kentucky State Police that's not what I came to the garage to do today so I
00:53:31
don't when I leave the garage here I don't want anybody to be left with that impression that that colel that we set
00:53:38
out to destroy the Kentucky State Police because I'm sure it's it's a fine outfit
00:53:43
it's a fine organization but what I see here in this case does not reflect that I I drive through that beautiful state
00:53:49
many many times who do not want any trouble at all but what it causes me to question
00:53:56
is multiple things what did they know or suspect about the victim involved here you know we saw these things of maybe
00:54:05
witness protection or maybe she knew of some bad dealings going on and she was informing law enforcement about that but
00:54:13
that that makes you take it a step further then we have outside agencies involved we know the FBI was involved
00:54:19
because they gave redacted files to Sarah this is per Sarah's statement to the public right and we also have reason
00:54:27
to believe that other agencies outside agencies were involved this is the detectives from Ohio coming down and
00:54:33
saying hey this Chris guy that's been uh snooping around your possibly snooping around your beach and might be linked to
00:54:41
your missing person's case down here we think he's good for some disappearances in our state and probably in some other
00:54:48
states and then you wonder well if they weren't willing to work with the Teague family how well did they work with the
00:54:54
FBI how well did they work with these other agencies and look we say it all the time here in the garage it takes a
00:55:01
village to raise a child we all know that sometimes it takes a village to solve a case sometimes it take a v takes
00:55:07
a village to protect our children and to protect our people you got to work together and I question if they did that
00:55:15
and if they did how much effort did they put into working with with these others
00:55:20
well and sometimes you you can raise a child with a pack of wolves but look th this uh department needs to get their
00:55:28
[ __ ] together this is a this is a victim that again you dro the ball so stop continuing to drop the ball and it makes
00:55:39
again stupid or evil it starts making you question though even though I I don't think there's any evidence that
00:55:46
this eyewitness is a bad dude or that he has this hor horrible criminal record but if he is somehow tied in in with law
00:55:56
enforcement then are they protecting him in some kind of manner it it makes it very
00:56:04
questionable and um yeah so well the other thing though too is you know we have a situation where whatever happened
00:56:14
to Heather she was 23 years old on that day when she vanished when she went missing today she would be what 48 years
00:56:22
old we're coming up on 25 years on this case so we're talking about currently a whole new generation of officers in that
00:56:33
state police outfit a whole new generation so there there's no reason for them to cover up
00:56:40
for past transgressions against you know the the old the old regime let's say uh
00:56:48
but they also just might not be aware of what was going on 25 years ago this case
00:56:55
is really a confusing mess of rumors allegations changing stories and false leads it's almost impossible to make out
00:57:03
what actually happened to our victim to Heather teag yeah well when you have rumors that possibly that she was
00:57:11
working for law enforcement possibly working maybe even for the feds then they she enters some kind of witness
00:57:21
protection program but you'd think at some point they would have explain this to at least her mother or would had her
00:57:29
um you have all these rumors like that I mean like I was telling you in an interview she doesn't go into it too
00:57:36
much but at one point she says it's possible my daughter was working for the Democrats and you're like what is she
00:57:43
talking about there there's there's no followup in the interview after she says that and but I think again
00:57:53
when we we shouldn't have to question law enforcement as hard as she's had to question law enforcement and I think
00:58:02
once you have to do that that opens up a can of worms and it really makes your brain go anything is possible Bigfoot is
00:58:12
possible aliens are possible you know what I mean well here's some things okay I have to believe that if the FBI
00:58:23
obtained any actual conrete information they would have acted on it rather than just hand the files over to the victim's
00:58:31
mom over to Sarah I agree uh again I believe this case is a confusing mess of rumors and
00:58:38
allegations as a result Heather's fate is really been the subject of all kinds of rumors you discussed some of them and
00:58:46
we discussed the witness protection program Theory a bit look I I purposely do not want to go through all of these
00:58:52
rumors because there's not enough time and really a lot of them these rumors run the gamut and most
00:59:00
don't track most of them don't have any carry any weight to him at all some of the more interesting ones though that I
00:59:07
found along the way maybe she was buried in concrete in Bluff City near a trailer
00:59:13
this is on Second Street where she was rumored to have been killed other rumors are she was killed and fed to Hogs this
00:59:20
was backed up by a redacted FBI document regarding ing a jailhouse snitch your favorite kind of snitch there Captain
00:59:28
who reported that he heard two guys and one said he killed Heather in Webster County and fed her two hogs
00:59:39
there's another rumor that Heather was the victim of a snuff film Sarah Teague seems to have believed this at some
00:59:45
point early on in the investigation here's another one Heather was accidentally run over while trying
00:59:53
to escape a moving vehicle either the chevet or the Bronco both already mentioned in our story she was then put
01:00:02
in a box and dumped into the Green River this one came from a brother-in-law of Marty Dill who said
01:00:11
she died while trying to escape of all of the rumors and possibilities this is one that that I
01:00:19
can't get out of my mind I cannot shake this one this one feels to me to be much
01:00:25
different than the other rumors out there I also have seen several cases where people are have dumped victim's
01:00:34
bodies into this Green River so very interesting that this rumor includes one or both of the vehicles that we've
01:00:42
already mentioned and this kind of notorious Green River what does her mother believe well as summarized in the
01:00:54
messenger Inquirer quote Sarah Teague believes that her daughter was involved with
01:00:59
illegal drugs and may have been about to expose powerful people she has said the
01:01:05
case involved drugs prostitution and public corruption and that Heather met with a Henderson police officer the
01:01:13
night before she was abducted Sarah said that Heather met up with this same officer 3 weeks earlier this all points
01:01:20
to Heather being a CI and informant for the police and Tim wal she believes may have been working with the cops or made
01:01:32
up his story altogether to hide something else further she has insinuated that Marty Dill might have
01:01:40
been murdered we'd like to state that we've have seen nothing to verify these theories now this Theory seems to hold I
01:01:51
guess some weight on maybe its face and probably at the core of it as well however this theory has
01:01:58
some wide wides spreading tentacles and the theory quickly becomes complicated and very
01:02:07
unlikely what's strange about Heather's case is the manner of the abduction because if somebody planned to
01:02:14
take Heather whether a a gang of drug dealers corrupt local authorities or someone who was stalking her a public
01:02:22
beach in broad daylight does not seem like the best option for a discreet kidnapping not when you knew that the
01:02:30
night before she was at a bar yes she's at a bar or you you having a one-on-one meeting with her earlier on you could
01:02:38
have snatched her then in fact what I'm pointing out is it it seems downright Brazen and way too risky if that's if
01:02:45
that's what you're trying to carry out and not impossible though not impossible but I also think that it's
01:02:52
out of the question that this would be a witness protection situation yeah too much money spent too
01:03:01
many resources I feel like this type of violent forced abduction seems more much
01:03:06
more like a typical crime of opportunity some guy or some guys driving by or heading to the beach saw Heather Park
01:03:16
walking alone to a secluded part of the Sandy Waterfront decided to grab her whether it was Dill whether it was Chris
01:03:23
whether it was both I mean really it's it's anyone's guess at this point I have to think that
01:03:31
the big fork in the road in this case is very simple it lies with the witness reporting the abduction if this report
01:03:39
is truthful then this was very likely a sexually motivated crime likely perpetrated by some stranger or possibly
01:03:49
strangers working together if his report is a lie and creates this false narrative then maybe the tentacles
01:03:57
stretch as wide and deep as Sarah says and as wide as she believes however Captain I see a mother who has
01:04:07
worked so incredibly hard to locate her daughter to bring her daughter home even
01:04:12
if she has already passed away and out of this hurt and Desperation one could easily begin to believe in their
01:04:21
heart that the answer has to be a complicated one or else by now we would know what
01:04:27
happened fortunately we are currently living in an age when cold cases 20 25 30 some years later are finally getting
01:04:37
solved and time and time again we see the answer is usually rather simple a cruel display of how someone just simply
01:04:44
has no empathy and really no basic human decency the attacker is often some violent deviate and because he has no
01:04:53
heart puts his selfish disgusting wants ahead of someone else's beautiful life I
01:05:00
pray that Sarah gets the answers that she and her family so very much deserve after all of this time and heartache
01:05:08
Sarah was so dedicated to finding Heather and so vocal in her advocacy for missing persons in general that she was
01:05:16
appointed as a Kentucky Outreach coordinator for Q the community United effort Center for missing persons Tim
01:05:26
wal has been dragged through the mud in this case he was even told by the Kentucky State Police to leave town for
01:05:34
a while judge Shephard refused to require him to submit to a polygraph or to testify in court on grounds that it
01:05:42
would deter future Witnesses in other cases we hope that one day Heather is found and the answers to all of these
01:05:51
outstanding questions are resolved if you have any information on The Disappearance of Heather Teague her
01:05:59
mother would prefer that you contact her her email address is sarah. [email protected]
01:06:08
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