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foreign [Music] [Applause] today [Music] welcome to True Crime garage wherever you are whatever you are doing thanks
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crime [Music] [Music] thank you [Music] days after Jennifer vanished around 8 15
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a.m on Thursday January 26th the Orlando Police Department received a call from a
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resident at what was at the time described by many as a CD apartment complex or like the crispy Colonel would
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call it poopy that's a real estate term this is just one mile down the road from
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Jennifer's condo the apartment complex is called Huntington on the green a Huntington on the green was a straight
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shot from Jennifer's condo complex down Conroy Road which turned into Americana Boulevard and then a quick left on South
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Texas Avenue this brought you to the entrance of Huntington on the green this complex was in a significantly less
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desirable area than Mosaic at Millennia in an area known for drugs and prostitution
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Joyce Cassie said that Jen would never go to this area of town the caller from Huntington on the green had seen the
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stories about Jennifer kessie all over the local news and believed that her car Jennifer's car was parked in the lot
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across from the Huntington on the green pool the police checked it out and sure enough it was Jennifer's black four-door
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Chevy Malibu the doors were locked and it was parked front end in the in a visitor's spot in the lot oh yeah you
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want to lock the doors because it's a bad area now we have no idea who this caller was
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who called to report the vehicle that they believed to be the missing girls the Orlando Police Department has never
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addressed the identity of this person the car was locked and one report we've seen says that Jennifer had a coded key
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not one that could be copied so if that's true whoever accessed the car did so using Jennifer's own Keys the Orlando
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Police Department never asked Drew for his spare key to Jennifer's car so it's not clear how they opened it apparently
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police had their eye on Jennifer's boyfriend Rob as a POS possible suspect we can surmise this because he was
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called to the location of the car by the police department and he was made to stand by as they Pride open the trunk
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this is strange to me I've seen this in many cases to be honest with you really yeah and this is
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to they want to observe the reaction of the person who at the time is probably their Prime Suspect right but everybody
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reacts differently correct so so their idea is that we found this car or somebody told us where the car was
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we go check it out it's Jennifer's car our number one suspect right now is her boyfriend
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but this is also because they've been telling the parents and everybody else who will listen well we think that she
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just had an argument with her boyfriend and she went off for a while and she'll be back
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but now they're going okay well our number one suspect is the boyfriend let's take him to the car
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and when we open up the trunk because we might find her there we want to see what his reaction is
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if they if they open up that trunk and she is in there that's a that's breaking it down right
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I think they want to see his reaction either way okay the problem with this tactic just like many other police and
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detective tactics is you in a sense you're showing your hand a bit because while you want him there
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to observe his reaction to whether she's in the trunk or not you're also giving up some details about
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the car should you because he's there he's an observer yeah so but also you're running the risk of showing your hand to
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him and if he's your number one suspect now he becomes less Cooperative lawyer up become less cooperative
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and I think the other thing too is that you want to not just observe his reaction and this might even be more key
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because as you very astutely point it out everyone reacts differently to any given
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situation so there's you can't just write down oh he did this and and we find that to be guilt that's not you
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can't sell that to a jury you can attempt to you don't know that they're going to buy it or not no what I think
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this provides you more so is if she is in the trunk God forbid you want to Acqua you want to question
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him immediately you want him in a state of of vulnerability when you start to question
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him and you might be able to get that on the scene at that moment right rather than him being able to prepare himself
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be it emotionally or otherwise with a phone call that says hey we found her car we found her body we need you to
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come down to the police department to answer some questions no and now it's hey good news we just found her car it's
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over here can you be there oh you can great uh perfect because we are we just found it we're getting ready to open it
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up and we're probably going to need your assistance and we're probably going to have some questions yeah I'm guessing
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there's two detectives so if it's me and you who would open up the trunk and who
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would be staring at his face I don't I don't think that matters or probably a team of people there not just two
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detectives now to everyone's relief and we know this obviously Captain Jennifer was not in the trunk of her car
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police put the car on a flatbed without locking it and removed it for processing
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here is what we know so they didn't they didn't process the condo but they're going to process
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the car okay here's what we know was found there was one small fiber found one latent print that has no match has been
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made to date a DVD player was strapped into the back seat with the seat belt a cell phone car charger unplugged
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wrapped around the gear shift a pair of expensive sunglasses that Jen wore to Saint Croix flip-flops Jen's broken mail
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key okay now we mentioned earlier that her key ring contained her car keys contained her house keys and a mail key
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this mail key was broken and had been replaced so there was a new operating key operable key on her
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keychain whatever was in the trunk this is interesting has never been disclosed or discussed by Orlando Police
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Department that's curious right remember the missing briefcase her work briefcase
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right some of her friends have said she may she kept it in the vehicle sometimes
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overnight you know like that I think that's a pretty normal thing like if there's something that you're not so
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you're not really worried about anybody taking it right and it's something that you all you are doing essentially is
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lugging it schlepping it from your vehicle to your home and then back again first thing in the morning
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I think we all do that sometimes there's there's things that you just go I better
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off leaving leaving this in my car well yeah sometimes you need it because you want to do some work at home but most of
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the time you can leave it in your car you used to do that all the time had a book bag that I'd take to guitar lessons
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with me and most of the time I didn't need it so on top of that we have some friends saying that she likely at times
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would put this in the trunk of the car so what I find interesting about this whole thing is we have a trunk that was
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opened that was processed there may have been something in it there may not have been whatever was in
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that trunk has never been publicly released has never been discussed by the police department but what I'm getting
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at here is one of the items that is determined to be missing and still missing to this day is her work
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briefcase which could have been in the trunk of that car I'm just simply pointing out there is a chance that for
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whatever reason it's not actually missing the detectives have it the police department has it what is that uh
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website you were talking about there's a Facebook page and there's also the uh website okay see
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jenniferkessie.com okay and then the Facebook page I believe it is help find Jennifer Cassie Facebook page okay so
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the but the boyfriend is still friends with the family right yeah yeah there's no problems there right so I was just
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wondering like he would have some information of what was in that trunk and so I didn't know if they had any
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information on one of those websites about what was in the trunk I'm I'm guessing he might actually not remember
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though because he's probably so believed not to it's traumatized by the possibilities
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right you know that before they bust open that trunk the other thing too is he may have been told to stand back you
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know what I mean to stand up to stand a little ways away and then if they open up the trunk and find what
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right whatever their strategy is for having him there then you you have him approach or you're you're telling him
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this is what we found is this if you were a detective is this a strategy you think you'd use I would use it for the
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purpose of not so much his reaction or or judging his reaction I would use it for the purpose of questioning him
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immediately afterwards right because he's going to be vulnerable either way either he's innocent that he's a victim
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and his his girlfriend potential love of his life was just killed right throw him
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off guard and he finds out this is still days there's still hope at this time for
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all of her loved ones that she is going to come back yeah no matter how she was taken or why she is gone there's a good
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chance we're talking depending on how you you cut it you know we we said that 10 hour window
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of time she could still only be missing technically for 48 Hours by this point right
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so you want to question him when he's vulnerable and I mean vulnerable either way either he's innocent
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and they find her and you're going to throw him at questions and he may agree to be questioned and and talk with you
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at length or he's guilty in hiding something and he's vulnerable of his from the
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standpoint of he's got something to hide and now you and him know it all at the same time
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so I would use it from from that uh from that perspective all right so we don't know what was found in the trunk and we
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don't know what was missing from the trunk correct and here's the other thing though too some of these items they're
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not very specific on where they're found in the car so just to be clear we're not
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saying when we say they say they've never said what was in the trunk or what was not
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we're not saying that any of these items were not found in the trunk we just don't know we're going based off of what
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the police has stated regarding this vehicle one thing that I found to be extremely interesting and this is an
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area where they did seem to put a lot of effort and do their due diligence was they checked the gas level of the
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car and their statement was that the level the gas level in the vehicle was consistent with Jennifer gassing up in
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Fort Lauderdale and then driving to work in Ocoee on Monday and then driving home
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from work Monday night so whatever happened in this car it did not travel a long way
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unless someone put more gas in the tank they could determine that the car did not go through any tolls or toll booths
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remember that Jen drove through one daily to and from work so her car did not pass through this toll or any other
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tolls since she did herself at 6 15 pm on Monday night so what this means here is and you and I both lean toward the
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side that she whatever took place whatever happened to her it happened after she got ready for work
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and so if you want to use that as your angle as your go-to then what we can point out here is
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she didn't make it very if she got to her car and started driving toward work she did not get very far because she did
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not pass through this toll again nor did whomever took her in the photos available of Jennifer's car there is
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what appears to be some dried mud that is visible on the lower driver's side door panel and possibly on the tires as
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well there was some DNA that was found now that is about as much as we know about
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the DNA was found statement yeah it's it's one of those things I understand why they have to keep so
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much to their chest right hold it close to the vest but I wish we knew but what else wasn't found I would guess
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captain that likely this could just be something as basic and unfortunate as touch DNA which is it does have some use
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but could be less this also could be you know if they found a hair you know because one of the statements is one
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small Fiber Well there's chance that there could be often this is not the case but there is a chance that there
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could be DNA on that hair or Fiber that was found so what was not found was some of
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Jennifer's stuff this being like her car keys her purse her iPod and either cell phone hers and Travis's
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cell phones were not found in the vehicle if anything else was found other than the items listed above the Orlando
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Police Department has never made this public or addressed it one thing that we do know though because Rob observed this
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remember he's near the vehicle or on the scene at the time Rob says that Jennifer's driver's seat
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was pushed way back further back in his opinion more so than what Jennifer would
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have left it this could imply that whomever last operated the vehicle was taller than Jennifer who is listed at
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five seven or five eight there was no evidence of any disturbance inside the car however as Joyce told CNN
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quote there was no sign of trauma in the vehicle whatsoever end quote the Orlando
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Police Department believes that the car was wiped down wiped clean crime scene texts scoured the Huntington on the
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green area and picked through a trash container at one point they are seen photographing a gym bag and some other
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items it is not known whether these items are even related to Jennifer or Jennifer's case
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contrary to online rumors her keychain was never found there there were some reports out there that eventually I
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think this was quite some time later that I a keychain and or a key fob belonging to Jennifer was later found
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and that is just not true but it's pretty clear that the vehicle was processed yes everything from the car
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this includes whatever was in the trunk was sent to Crime Labs operated by the FBI and the Florida Department of Law
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Enforcement so how did Jen's car get to Huntington on the green Jen yeah or Huntington on the
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poop Jen never activated the satellite GPS system in the vehicle this is because it cost a
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monthly fee police surveyed the area to see if there were any surveillance cameras and sure
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enough on the roof overlooking the pool area of this apartment complex were some
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ancient it was like 30 year old cameras which still took shots of the pool and parking lot area
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this is every two to three seconds so just to be clear here this is not like a a constant motion recording video
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recording this is more or less every couple of seconds snap a photo snap a photo snap a photo
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this would make somewhat you know Herky jerky video when you try to watch it later the time stamp on the surveillance
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cameras was off by an hour and as you and I know that it's always off well we we discussed that and I have some I have
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some background in this being a Security administrator for years at a condo complex yeah
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the thing that that often takes place and this is usually just by smaller operations we had a larger operation and
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we were you know these were that's what she said these were higher skill level positions
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than what you find at most areas in most areas what you have is you have some third-party
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um Boy Scout looking well that's giving them too much credit because the Boy Scouts would have been fantastic at
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security work they're always prepared the but this is some kind of Rinky Dink operation that's usually hired off
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some third-party operation that comes in they don't really care I actually called
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Rinky Dink security company they're not they're not invested in caring about the
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actual job these are guys and women that come in there they make slightly above minimum wage they're just there to sit
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in a seat and provide the Optics of actual security what takes place then is the people in charge of these cameras
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regardless if they're 30 years old or 30 months old right when we fall ahead or spring forward no
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one bothers to update the time on the cameras so when you have to go back later and try to find something that
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creates another obstacle for trying to locate whatever it is that you may or may not be uh what you believe you're
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looking for right so despite all of this there was some useful material found on
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the footage stored in the cameras Jennifer's Malibu drove into the parking lot at Huntington on the green around 11
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59 a.m on Tuesday January 24th this is right around the time that the kessies were mobilizing for their Drive North
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they've already been made aware of something's going on they are in route to get to Jennifer's place to see and
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find out what's going on the car drove front end into a parking spot with its rear facing the camera whoever was
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driving stayed inside the car for 32 seconds before exiting the vehicle then another camera captured the same person
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walking on the sidewalk along the fence line surrounding the pool the pool area walking out of view never looking back
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this was big police had footage of the driver of the car of an abducted Jennifer Cassie
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surely this was going to be the break that the family and the detectives needed but sadly the black and white
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video footage does not help us find the killer or the abductor yeah the person who walked away from the car
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it's been released they are estimated to be this is by the FBI estimated to be between five foot three inches and five
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foot five inches tall whoever this person is got the luckiest of all Lucky breaks
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yeah when you hear this hold on to your seats right now when you hear this you're not going to believe it despite
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the fact that he or she is not in any way attempting at all to hide their face his or her face is obscured by the fence
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post in every one of the shots taken by the camera yeah there's three pictures I
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believe right yeah and each time and there's two thicker poles and twice the person's face is blocked
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by the thicker pole yeah you know how I mean when you have a fence and you you know you got all the little but then you
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have the post it's almost like this person got lucky enough that there they happened the
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picture was taken at an angle and their face their what I can only only guess would be a hideous ugly face as
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completely covered by the fence post like you said the thicker portions I mean you can't get any luckier than
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that yeah even if you paid somebody to try to recreate this they probably couldn't do it so Drew
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Cassie has stated publicly that even NASA try to enhance these snapshots or the video but what we can see online is
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the best that they say they could do the only thing that we can tell for certain
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from the video is that the person of interest for that what is what he or she was
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declared to be by law enforcement right it's believed to be wearing or shows wearing light-colored clothing that
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appears White black shoes and has his or her hair in possibly a bun or has some kind of hat
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on people have seen this video usually believe that the person of interest is wearing some kind of uniform like a
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painters or drywallers clothing or even maybe a blind cook yeah uniform but the Orlando Police Department has announced
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that the person of interest clothing was likely darker than it appeared and was not white so unconcluded was able to
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clarify that the video footage taken by that camera washed out everyone's clothing color right this comes from
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Jennifer's mother Joyce so what appears to be white clothes seemingly worn by the person of interest May in fact not
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be so white right shockingly even though the Orlando Police Department finally released this
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video to the public after a year of keeping it under wraps releasing it only they only released the still shots taken
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from the video no one has been able to identify the person who we know to have been driving Jennifer's car so just to
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be clear we have those three shots I was talking about but you're claiming that there's also actual video
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I can't say that for certain because if there was video we'd be able to stop that video at different points
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to get get us some kind of better look at this individual's hideous face well no because look at me
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the way that the camera itself operated it's not operating every second it's not
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a complete consistent okay smooth motion uh it's just a yeah it's just getting a little bit here
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and there well there is a lot of debate that there is portions of the video that
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has not been released and I think that's because we are only seeing um you know some snapshots that's what
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came out a year into this case and so there there's been debate on what we're not seeing look the whole purpose of
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releasing what they could see on there was to identify this guy so if if there is any
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footage be it snapshot or otherwise that shows this individual's face there's no reason to not release that
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you see what I mean it's not like it's not like we're there's some missing footage somewhere that police are
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holding on to that shows this person's face thank you [Music] all right we're back cheers mates cheers
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to you captain so I want to ask you a question when I'm looking at this like like I said I can
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see three different images and that's just me Googling you can that's just me Googling
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um Jennifer kessick yeah so they're valence is what I'm Googling yeah there's a bazillion places you can find the person
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of interest Stills is what it's generally called here and eventually the full video or it eventually video was
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actually released and we'll get into that in a little bit but really these Stills show you as much
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of the person as as you're going to see at any other point right so I think especially for people that are
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unfamiliar with this case they probably if they're right now listening and they don't have the opportunity to look this
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up probably want to know what we think we're seeing or what we're looking at I will say this
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like like we already mentioned the first thing I noticed there appears to be no the person is in no way trying to hide
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or conceal their face right it's just happenstance that we can't see this individual's face and then to take that
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a step further I believe that that the person has no idea or maybe does not care
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that they could be film camera or yeah seen on camera um the other thing here too is with this
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fence and with this post these this is where I have a little bit of an issue with what the statements are from
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the police department saying that you know even though the the the person of interest even though their clothing may
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appear to be white or lighter in color we've run some tests and it tends to White out or whitewash a lot of what the
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camera is picking up do we know if it does anything with the darker colors because if you look at the individual's
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shoes there there's no detail it looks like a shadow basically well and I think a lot
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of that is because of the distance between this person and the camera the where I call this into question and
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I'm not saying they're wrong and I'm not saying that they're lying to us I just when I look at this I'm seeing different
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varying colors of of dark and Light right and I I just it doesn't make sense to me it seems to me like if it was
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going to whitewash or white out it should be doing that to everything right or at least in some form or
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fashion now I do know that they according to their statements they came up with this by placing officers and FBI
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agents and such in front of these cameras and filming them and then looking at it afterwards and they're
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like oh you're maybe your brown jacket appeared to be gray or appeared to be almost white so I agree with what
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they're saying where it's not reliable information what our eyes are telling us here regarding the clothing color of the
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person of interest however we can clearly see a dark colored fence it it appears to me like I feel I could
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confidently say this individual is wearing lighter clut colored clothing the other thing that I want to throw out
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there too is I can't say this with 100 certainty but everything I'm seeing tells me that this individual is male
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um again what was the height of then well that's the other issue they stated that the person that is in the video is
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either between five foot three inches tall and five foot five inches tall that's pretty small the problem with
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that according to Jennifer's father is that the family was told that several agencies different law enforcement
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agencies try to determine what the approximate height would be of the person seen in these photos right and it
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doesn't take Sherlock Holmes or Albert Einstein to really try to figure this out because we
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have these fence posts and there's these height markers along the way if you were
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to throw in the angle of the camera and so on and so forth you could get a general sense for what the height would
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be however the three different agencies came up with varying Heights each one of
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them came up with something different what they later told the family was well even though we had different
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thoughts on what the height of the individual could be we just decided to go with what the FBI came up with
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so I don't know that that's 100 her father's on record is saying that they were told that they were they were
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getting Heights as tall as five foot eleven so I really feel like you have to go
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this could be five foot three all the way up to five foot eleven I think it's just six foot I think you just take all
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all of all of those numbers and just throw them in together and that's the range that I believe we're looking at
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five foot three to five foot eleven there's also a big white sign which you would typically see on a pool area
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anywhere that don't pee in the pool well this individual would have um it would have concealed this
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individual somewhat probably not the face looking at this angle but yeah the person gets lucky I think what I'm
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seeing is a short-haired male who is Tanner than the his skin tone is more tan than the shirt that he is wearing
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yeah I agree he's wearing dark shoes and I don't see anything to indicate a hat some people say a hat
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um I do see what I think could be a bun like a hairstyle with a bun but that that's what's often reported
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yeah but I you know what I think is given the illusion of this bun hairstyle I think that it's the the height
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of this individual contrasting against the fence that is is so dark in these pictures I believe
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right and but I also believe that it's the first picture the first picture it looks more like a male bob cut or
00:34:59
something you know like a yeah you know what I mean I don't see the bun in that in that picture the only
00:35:07
time that I really see a bun is look I believe that's the third picture that was taken
00:35:12
and the third picture to me I go ah that could be a bun yeah if if you had to if
00:35:18
you had to ask me exactly what I believe I'm seeing I believe I'm seeing a male and I a lot of this is gut feeling
00:35:26
Captain I don't ask me to point out hardcore evidence here what my gut tells me I'm seeing is a male who's probably
00:35:33
on the younger side I would put him no older than late 20s this could even be somebody that's
00:35:42
17 to to 28 29 his skin tone would be slightly tanner than his his the color of his shirt
00:35:52
which again we don't know what the color of that is well have you seen the image and I would
00:35:57
put him it just below to average height see somebody took the image and and reversed made it a negative
00:36:10
and in the third image it almost looks like there's something uh because where the head would be is in
00:36:19
between like a triangle like in the fence and it almost on the first image on the
00:36:27
well yeah on the first image and on the third image the the back of the head is in that little triangle not triangle in
00:36:38
the corner of the square yeah yeah the rectangle and but it's almost like there's something
00:36:47
blocking it so when they made it a negative it makes that what appears to be like a
00:36:54
bun a man bun or right that's what I said earlier I believe you're getting the appearance of that because of the
00:37:00
contrast between this person's head and the the fence itself yeah because if you
00:37:06
see like it it gives the appearance and I can't tell if this looks like it's radiating from the
00:37:13
Sun from you know that it's changing what the camera is picking up based off of the sun and the angles in play here
00:37:19
and what you're getting is some flashing off of that fence which is giving the appearance that there is nothing there
00:37:26
where this individual clearly has darker hair making it have the appearance of a bun
00:37:32
which it could be flush and flat there right and then that's what it definitely appears more that way when they reverse
00:37:40
and have a negative of the image so I think that's a very good thing that he pointed out
00:37:46
so yeah I for a minute I was leaning more towards female when I was looking at it but now
00:37:55
when you talk about the difference and and the height that could be you know anywhere from yeah three to five eleven
00:38:02
possibly even six foot and I almost feel like it's the the walk the gate yeah it's very long yeah
00:38:10
yeah it just the again I you know the motion or the stills just feel to me like I'm seeing a a man there so we have
00:38:20
Bridge guy from uh Delphi I guess now we have fence guy yeah from here yeah um we did say that the video was
00:38:28
eventually released this took place when uh Drew and Joyce Cassie persuaded the Orlando Police Department to release the
00:38:37
video this took place in May of 2007. this was in hopes that someone would recognize the suspect as one of the
00:38:44
detectives on the case told CBS News quote we're hoping that somebody would come forward and say oh yeah that's my
00:38:51
boyfriend or that's my cousin we know that did not happen right now we have zero information about the supposed
00:38:59
small amount of DNA found in Jen's car in 2016 a detective said that the DNA from the car or from items found in
00:39:10
Jennifer's car would be sent in for re-testing using new techniques it has not it's not known whether anything came
00:39:19
of this more recent testing once the Orlando Police Department finished processing the Chevy Malibu
00:39:28
they did return this vehicle to Jen's parents the car was a lease and unfortunately it was returned to the
00:39:36
leasing company so any new techniques for extracting evidence that they didn't find at the time or couldn't locate at
00:39:44
the time cannot be done since this car is gone so the thing here though Captain I feel
00:39:53
like is a very important question that we have to ask ourselves why did or why would the person of
00:40:03
interest park her car at Huntington on the green what is the motive for this movement
00:40:12
because when we look at this we have to or we could easily I know I shouldn't say have to but we could
00:40:22
easily surmise that whatever happened to Jennifer or whatever stopped her from going about
00:40:30
her day as she routinely would this took place before this vehicle was placed there so potentially this was
00:40:37
something that was unnecessary to The Taking of Jennifer this is something added that the person
00:40:45
of interest that's what they're calling the man seen in the footage right this is something extra that that he did
00:40:52
so what do we think could be the motives for this extra movement this extra action yeah I see what you're saying I I
00:41:00
lean towards the idea that that she she could have been in her car and then she was carjacked and this could have
00:41:07
happened right outside her condo or this could happen on her way to work and and to me then it just makes the
00:41:16
most sense that she's hijacked and then and then whatever wherever they take her and then and then
00:41:27
they return the car because it's a lot easier to hide a body or a person than it is to hide a vehicle right the thing
00:41:36
here though is under that scenario then we have to there there's a couple more ideas that
00:41:42
would be involved in that so one there's no sign of trauma or struggle in the vehicle itself
00:41:49
now that doesn't mean that somebody couldn't gain control of this young woman without there being a struggle
00:41:55
that it's very possible but we would have to assume that that then took place then take that a step further now if
00:42:04
she's not in the vehicle driving around her condo complex or immediately coming out of the condo complex
00:42:11
very likely the perpetrator unless they decided to look at her address on her driver's license mind you she just moved
00:42:20
there less than three months before might not even be updated by this point the the then driver the perpetrator
00:42:27
would have no idea where the vehicle came from so that would mean they're just picking a random spot they didn't
00:42:33
pick hunting a Huntington on the green because they knew it to be different from the origin of the vehicle that
00:42:39
morning right what I'm pointing out here and this is not 100 your your theory is as
00:42:46
good as any out there until we know what happened to Jennifer Cassie what I'm pointing out here is that if in
00:42:53
fact this is an added action and if in fact this took place meaning she was abducted from her
00:43:00
condo on the way from her condo to her car or as she's getting in her car right if that's what took place then this is
00:43:09
certainly an added action that is unnecessary to what the original motive would be the original motive would be to
00:43:16
abduct a young attractive woman right not to abduct a young attractive woman and move her car
00:43:23
what it points out to me that is if in fact this is an added action then what that means is
00:43:29
the victim and the perpetrator have they share something in common and what they
00:43:36
share in common is this condo complex now we need to set up a situation a scenario where the police and detectives
00:43:44
can easily surmise that she might not have been abducted from her condo or from the complexes grounds
00:43:53
now I'm putting the vehicle in another location to give a whole different realm of possibilities removing me or at least
00:44:02
making me a less likely suspect because her and I the perpetrator and the victim
00:44:08
share one thing in common the condo complex right but I think you're a little Brazen to want to move
00:44:16
the vehicle because it's a it gives you another scenario where you can get caught
00:44:22
and maybe you have some story that you can explain away why you have the car but to me if so that would probably mean
00:44:30
that you knew the victim better than just being acquaintances with her right and that's where I say what is the
00:44:38
motive for this added action because you're putting yourself at further risk of getting caught so that
00:44:44
must have been great enough the motive must have been great enough for you to risk that right and truly you're right
00:44:51
and and I'm right no one really knows for sure at the end of the day I just wanted to point out that I believe the
00:44:59
proximity to the Mosaic at the Millennia uh and where the vehicle is found is likely
00:45:07
not a coincidence the two locations are just about a mile apart in a huge City and I think you and I are agreeing here
00:45:16
in the sense that this means something that this either means the vehicle itself is a crime scene even if that
00:45:25
wasn't later detected by anybody or this is to throw off the police meaning that the person of interest had some
00:45:33
connection to the location where the car came from the apartment the condo complex yeah and look I'm a little call
00:45:41
to action here I'm gonna post those three images their surveillance images onto our Instagram at True Crime garage
00:45:49
I will also toss them up on our Facebook so if you're on Facebook True Crime garage as well or you could Google them
00:45:57
but let us know in the blog what you think maybe somebody out there can see something that somebody else
00:46:05
hasn't yet yeah or or has some kind of life experience or whatever that will will play into some idea that we've not
00:46:12
discussed right but we're not done with this uh car yet right or the person of interest so despite initially looking
00:46:21
promising the car and then the surveillance video they're not really super helpful right
00:46:30
right and another piece of confusing evidence in this case the Orlando Police Department employed a tracking dog named
00:46:37
Beau to sniff Jennifer's car in the Huntington on the green lot and then track that scent
00:46:47
he walked the 1.1 miles straight back to Mosaic at Millennia instead of going through the main gate
00:46:57
he walked past that area through a large break in the fence which separated the development from the public sidewalk and
00:47:07
to the bottom of the open air back stairwell that leads up to Jennifer's condo on the second floor
00:47:15
okay if the tracking dog is accurate then whoever drove the Malibu left it in that parking lot and then walked back to
00:47:25
the condos where Jennifer lived yeah it this that seems to be the primarily the reason that the the kessies Drew
00:47:35
Joyce and Logan all believe that one or more of the workers that were working there are responsible for what happened
00:47:42
to Jennifer now there has been some argument that the dog here's the problem and I've
00:47:52
discussed this well there's always problems with dogs well every case you got to believe it or
00:47:58
not you gotta believe the dog or not well and they can't exactly they're not telling you exactly they're they're
00:48:03
tracking something they can't tell us exactly what it is that they are tracking so keeping that in mind many
00:48:10
people have pointed out well is it possible that the dog is just retracing the the movements of this
00:48:17
vehicle all the way back to where it came from right I understand that argument the problem I
00:48:24
have with that argument is that it didn't the dog didn't go through the main gate
00:48:29
the dog essentially went through a hole in the fence went through a broken down portion of the fence and then back to
00:48:37
that's where that's how somebody would go on foot not the movements of the vehicle
00:48:43
somebody drive that vehicle off-road so I find it you don't know I I find it to be more
00:48:53
heavily more accurate or more likely I should say right that the person of interest whoever left that vehicle in
00:49:00
that parking lot went back to the condo on foot right but if the person of the interest wasn't in the car that long you
00:49:07
would think that the dog would have a hard time picking up that person's scent and that's what they would be following
00:49:13
back if they only move the car from the condos to the apartments it's only a mile
00:49:22
right so I I don't know but then you have to call in a question what is the dog tracking right because it seems
00:49:30
again like I pointed out with the the where the vehicle was placed and where we know
00:49:38
it would have been at one time regardless if Jennifer moved it or the the person of interest no no no no no no
00:49:43
no I I agree with you somewhat but what I'm saying is if that perpetrator or the POS
00:49:51
was in that car for a little bit longer then maybe that would be more of a substantial
00:49:58
substance for the dog to track that's what I'm saying right no I know exactly what you're
00:50:04
saying I'm just pointing out that I think I find it too big of a coincidence that the car is found within
00:50:10
1.1 walking miles distance right from where it started off or should have been so to me that that is too much of a
00:50:19
coincidence that it was moved for any other reason other than for it not to be found at the condo company and then to
00:50:25
top that off the dog does not know where Jennifer kessie lives it's too much of a
00:50:30
coincidence that the dog then returns to the apart to the condo complex right right but okay to be clear it just the
00:50:38
dog doesn't go to to her door it just goes to this it's a parking garage where her car came from right
00:50:48
yeah that's well not the garage her parking spot it goes to the stairwell that led this
00:50:56
these are the stairs that she would have had to go to and from to get from condo
00:51:02
to car car to condo yeah because I I just wonder if it's possible that this individual didn't just go back
00:51:09
to the condo unit to get in a car and leave if he actually went back into her condo
00:51:16
I can't yeah I can't see which makes me very upset that they didn't process her condo I feel like had this this
00:51:25
individual I mean why would the dog stop all of a sudden there I mean the the dog traced this scent for
00:51:34
1.1 miles to the to the stairs or near the stairs in that parking area right if this perpetrator went back up to her
00:51:45
condo you think the dog would go I think the dog would have went all the way up there I think you're right I think that
00:51:51
I think this individual the reason why the dog stops there is the foot traffic scent that was created by this
00:51:58
perpetrator ended there meaning this individual got into his vehicle or somebody else's and left right
00:52:06
that Captain technically is the end of the actual known evidence all of it in this case but it is far far from over
00:52:16
and there is so much more to discuss all right Colonel do we have any recommended reading this week well we've
00:52:31
done missing persons cases for the last two weeks so I think it's only fitting that we feature a great book called The
00:52:39
Lost Brothers a family's decades long search by Jack elhi this is the story of a decades-long ordeal one of the oldest
00:52:48
known active missing child investigations told by a writer whose own research for an article in 1998
00:52:54
sparked new interest in the boy's disappearance check that out by going to truecrime garage.com you can find all of
00:53:02
our recommended titles there on the recommended page yeah make sure you check us out on the Stitcher app you can
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00:53:21
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