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foreign Little Miss Colorado six-year-old murder victim JonBenet Ramsey unknown Intruder
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her brother [Applause] [Music] JonBenet Ramsey Phil has not interviewed the parents
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didn't do it anybody [Music] my life has been held from that day's purpose and I want nothing more than to
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find out who was responsible for this there would be very few little girls as famous as Blonde six-year-old JonBenet
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Patricia Ramsey she was born in Atlanta Georgia on August 6 1990. to parents John Bennett Ramsey and Patricia Ann
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Ramsey her name as unique as it was was a combination of her father's first and middle names her Father John was a
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wealthy businessman and her mother Patsy was a former beauty queen John Ramsey was a smart calculated and determined
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man he graduated from Michigan State University in 1966 with an electrical engineering degree five years later a
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master's in Business Administration from MSU John was married before he and his first
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wife had three children Elizabeth Melinda and John Andrew but the two divorced in 1978
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on November 5th 1980 he married what many considered to be the woman of his dreams 23 year old Patricia Ann Paul
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yeah better known as Patsy Patsy attended West Virginia University and graduated with a ba in journalism in
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1978. just a year before she won the Miss West Virginia Beauty title in 1977. on January 27 1987 Patsy gave birth to
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the couple's first child Burke Ramsey then three and a half years later they welcomed their second child JonBenet
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in 1991 the family moved to Boulder Colorado for John's business access Graphics a little background here
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John was extremely hard working and driven he was an entrepreneur he started a computer company in the 80s eventually
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his company and two other companies merged in 1988. this formed access Graphics the company was then sold to
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Lockheed Martin in 1991. John became the chief executive officer and president of
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access Graphics thus sparking the family to set up shop in beautiful Boulder Colorado
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the Ramses purchased a 7 000 square foot home the address 755 15th Street Boulder
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Colorado the home was purchased for five hundred thousand dollars some reports State the home is 11
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000 square feet but I believe that would include maybe the basement balconies and
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other areas we all know how the real estate listing Game Works they also did a very extensive renovation on the
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property as well speaking of which I will do my best impression here it's a beautiful red brick Tudor style home
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built in 1927. there are four floors including the basement the basement is made up of a series of small rooms the
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home features two staircases one traditional and one spiral there are five bedrooms Burke and
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jonbenet's rooms are located on the Second Story jonbenet's room is complete with its own bathroom and balcony
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the master suite is above the children's rooms located on the third story the Ramses Patsy in particular loved
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this house the Ramses were riding pretty high but unfortunately life is often a series of Peaks and valleys sadly on
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January 8 1992 John Ramsey's oldest daughter from his first marriage Elizabeth Ramsey was killed in an
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automobile accident in Chicago Illinois she was just 22 years old on December 23
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1992 the Ramses purchased a 1731 square foot vacation home in Charlevoix Michigan for 336 thousand
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dollars for those unfamiliar this is an absolutely beautiful area Northern Michigan Right Along Lake Michigan
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absolutely gorgeous in June of 93 Patsy Ramsey is diagnosed with breast cancer for this she will receive exams at the
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Charlevoix community hospital and treatments in Maryland now we're going to go through a pretty
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thorough timeline for the Ramsey family some of these events may seem trivial however given the crime that we know is
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going to occur these items were included in this timeline because of the possibilities and the suspicions
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surrounding this case in 1994 seven-year-old Burke hits his little sister JonBenet on the cheek with
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a golf club well let's be clear this is not a situation where Burke decided I don't like you and I'm going to smash
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you in the face with a golf club this was purely an accident this wasn't like the time my brother hit me in the back
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with a baseball bat because he was trying to kill me I questioned this at first glance because we do know that
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children siblings will fight with one another and they can be quite vicious at times plus when they're very young as
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they would be in this situation it's an impulsive thing to pick up a club and hit your sister or your brother with it
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because they did something mean to you first and Burke only being seven years old he wouldn't be thinking if I hit her
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in the face with a golf club I could possibly kill her right this could have lasting consequences
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however everything that we could find only indicates that this was just an accident and believe it or not in my own
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life I have experienced a situation where one of my friends accidentally hit another friend in the face with a golf
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club in the face on the backswing because the person was standing too close as the other person was taking a
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swing we don't have the details of this specific accident however again everything indicates that it was just
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that an accident right but it was pretty vicious because JonBenet would be left with a scar a short time later JonBenet
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underwent plastic surgery at a surgeon in Denver this to correct that scar on the left cheek from the golf club
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incident in December of 1994 the Ramsey's giant beautiful home is one of just seven homes in the area to be
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included in the historic homes for the holidays tour this is important for a few reasons
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mainly this means that approximately 1500 people will participate in a tour of the Ramsey's property and the house
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in April of 1995 four-year-old JonBenet Ramsey wins the Colorado State all-star kids pageant now she will participate
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and win several pageants I'm not going to go through all of them Captain frankly when researched well you get a
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bunch of different information so I will just stick to the ones that I can confirm or at least have double checked
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October of 1995 was a happy and exciting month for the Ramsey family JonBenet was
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crowned Little Miss Colorado Sunburst and John Ramsey was the winner of the entrepreneur of Distinction award yeah
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but to be clear I don't think like her whole family was revolved around her winning something I think it was nice
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when she won and they devoted a lot of time doing it but I don't think it made the family's year if she got some award
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regarding John Ramsey's business keep in mind axis Graphics is doing very well and the company is growing in sales and
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staff quite rapidly then it was Patsy's turn to receive some recognition this came when the April
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1996 issue of women's magazine profiled Patsy Ramsey this article of course will
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include a lot of her personal information but also a lot of personal information about John and the kids
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then in July of 1996 JonBenet won America's Royale tiny Miss the following month she finishes second
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and the Sunburst National Pageant this pageant was held in Atlanta Georgia on Saturday November 30th
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John Ramsey hosts a surprise 40th birthday party for his wife of 16 years and this is truly a surprise as her
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actual birthday is not until December 29th this was a big 40th birthday celebration for Patsy held at The Palace
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Hotel in Denver there's a lot of speculation though that she was not looking forward to this time and was
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actually very upset about turning 40. then on December 6 during the lights of December parade JonBenet appeared on her
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own little Miss Colorado float this is an annual Parade Where Spectators enjoy floats created and decorated by local
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businesses churches and Civic groups the parade often includes marching bands fire engines holiday carolers and an
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appearance by Santa Claus this takes place in downtown Boulder in 1996 Burke was in this parade as well
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on Friday December 13th there's a big holiday party at the Ramsey's home this is attended by more than 150 of their
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friends from church so again just pointing out another event at their house with a lot of guests so what we
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are quickly learning is this is a house that has many people who have been in and is often opened up to many guests
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over just the few years that they have owned the home right four days later on the 17th the six-year-old was crowned
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Colorado's Little Miss Christmas this is one of the larger pageants that she has participated in and certainly an
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achieving moment and in hindsight really kind of just an eerie weird thing that JonBenet would be
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named the 1996 Little Miss Christmas now we don't have a date but I want to make
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sure that we include this here there is a report that this took place sometime in December of 96 and this
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comes from a statement to law enforcement at some time in December JonBenet tells
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a gardener this is Brian Scott about her Father John Ramsey she says I really miss him and I wish he was
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around more yeah he's working pretty hard probably traveling a lot it's later reported that his net worth at this time
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would be roughly 6.4 million dollars December 20th was a busy day for the Ramses on two fronts one access Graphics
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had a luncheon party and a celebration for more than 300 employees at the hotel Boulderado and two JonBenet participates
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in a school performance at High Peaks Elementary School Patsy attends the performance the access Graphics luncheon
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and the performance at the school are going on at the same time so Patsy is not present for the business celebration
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because she is at the school now it's important to keep in mind that one of these events could be tied to
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jonbenet's death for any number of reasons truth be told none of us really know for sure here's an excerpt from the
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book death of Innocence authored by John and Patsy Ramsey in the book John says early in December 1996 Tom Carson came
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to my office John I want you to look at these figures I looked up at him standing at the door with a handful of
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papers as best as I can tell we're going to hit the billion dollar sales Mark in a
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couple of days it's a big milestone a billion dollars my mouth dropped I know we were close but I didn't think we
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were there yet it's on top of us he smiled probably in a couple of days I think we should do something to
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celebrate I agreed if for no other reason than to congratulate our employees a billion dollars in sales and 600
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employees worldwide was a big milestone for Access graphics one of our public relations people
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thought we should also contact the newspaper to announce our success I had a gut reaction that the press
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release wasn't a good idea I didn't want that kind of visibility outside of the business
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still I agreed since our employees deserved the recognition now I wonder if this publicity might
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have attracted the attention of the Killer or further irritated the person if he or she had a grudge against big
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business access Graphics or me note John's memory of this party in the book states that the luncheon was held on
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December 16th according to the Daily Camera business magazine this celebration was held on December 20th
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John did a phone interview regarding the company's success and on December 21st the Daily Camera business magazine
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publishes the article on axis Graphics reaching one billion dollars in sales alright so why are we going with
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December 20th and not December 16th that's a good question we have a couple of reasons for that one we know that the
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luncheon and the school performance occurred on the same day we have statements saying that the performance
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the school performance was on the 20th and we also have the fact that the Daily Camera business magazine article comes
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out that same year I mean just the day after the party John's book does not come out until
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years later and he's going off of memory on December 22nd JonBenet Ramsey is going to be in a beauty pageant in the
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Southwest Plaza Mall this is the one that she sings Rocking around the Christmas tree and she has a toy
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saxophone sometime in late December the Ramsay family sent out their annual Christmas card with the Ramsay family
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updates for their loved ones the 1996 Christmas newsletter reads as follows dear friends and family
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it's been another busy year at the Ramsey household I can't believe it's almost over and
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time to start again Melinda 24 graduated from Medical College of Georgia and is working and pediatric ICU
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at kennystone hospital in Atlanta John Andrew 20. is a sophomore at the University of Colorado
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Burke is a busy fourth grader where he really shines in math and spelling he played flag football this fall and is
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currently on a basketball bench his little league team was number one he's lost just about all of his baby
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teeth so I'm sure we'll be seeing the orthodontist in 1997. JonBenet is enjoying her first year in real school
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kindergarten in the core knowledge program is fast paced and five full days a week
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she has already been moved ahead to first grade math she continues to enjoy participating in
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talent and modeling pageants she was named America's Royale tiny miss last summer and is Colorado's Little
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Miss Christmas her teacher says she is so outgoing that she will never have trouble delivering
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an oral book report John is always on the go traveling hither and yawn access recently celebrated its one
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billion dollar Mark in sales so he's pretty happy he and his crew were underway in the
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Port Huron to Mackinac Island yacht race in July if I had to pull out Midway due to lack
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of wind can you believe that but his real love is the new old looking boat grand season
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which he spent months designing I spend most of my free time working in the school and doing volunteer work
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the Charlevoix house was on the home tour in July and will likely appear in one of the Better Homes and Gardens
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Publications in 1997. on a recent trip to NYC my friend and I appeared among the throng of fans on The
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Today Show Al Roker and Bryant actually talked to us and we were on camera for a few
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fleeting moments we are all enjoying continued good health I look forward to seeing you in
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1997. one final note thank you to all of my friends and my dear husband for surprising me with the biggest most
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outrageous 40th birthday bash I have ever had we'll be spending my actual birthday on
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the Disney big red boat over the new year Merry Christmas and much love the Ramses
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I I kind of find this whole ritual that people do with the updating of the families it's kind of douchey
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well I feel like this is a very upper class typical holiday thing update everybody
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with a newsletter I've never and probably will never experience having to put one of these letters
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together yeah being just a regular blue collar guy myself what it jumps out to me is that episode of Everybody Loves
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Raymond where they write a bunch of really nice stuff about themselves that's not true but here
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everything that Patsy and I'm assuming Patsy puts this together as it sounds you know she says I spend most of my
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free time it it really points to her upbringing and how polished and Posh she really is
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and I everything that she has put here is true and it's just it's just interesting
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to see how the other half lives well it just seems like they should get into their douche canoe and paddle down
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vanity River I've never lived far from family and friends so maybe this is more common than what I am aware of
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on December 23rd this is just two days before Christmas the Ramses hosted a Christmas party with approximately 30
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guests attending and with former journalism Professor Bill McReynolds playing Santa Claus
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McReynolds was a Ramsay family friend probably one of the more alarming details in this timeline during the
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Ramsey's Christmas party at 6 47 PM someone attending the party placed a 9-1-1 call which was answered by police
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dispatcher Therese Hillary the caller hung up without saying anything police called back but when
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they did no one answered and the call was picked up by the Ramses answering machine
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because of this an officer goes to the home at 6 54 pm the officer knocks on the door and is invited in and then
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leaves at 7 09 PM this after being assured that there was no emergency this has made people speculate
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was the perpetrator of this crime at this party and calling 9-1-1 to see how fast somebody would respond to 9-1-1
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call this is one of those items that you you look at it and you just go what is going on here because as you
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just pointed out it could mean something very big to this case and to the investigation right if in fact what you
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said and what people have speculated toward is true that means the Killer is at this party
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or somebody that worked with the Killer is at this party right but you also have
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a lot of kids running around is it possible that one of them just picked up the phone and dialed 9-1-1 and then
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never confessed to it because they didn't want to get in trouble there is a guest list that you can find
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online I have reviewed it myself don't care to go into it here as it sounds quite boring to just read off a list of
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names the other thing I question though too Captain is what kind of staff was working this party would we have had
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people helping out whether it be Caterers or somebody answering the door valeting cars you know so it could
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extend beyond the guest list for whoever called 9-1-1 I'm with you I think that there's a very likely possibility that
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with all these kids running around one of the older kids wants to do something funny in front of the
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younger kids and calls 9-1-1 you know and gets scared and hangs up well and there's two other things some people
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have 9-1-1 on a speed dial so you have people working a party did somebody pick up the phone to call this is 1996. they
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don't have cell phones most people don't have cell phones so did somebody work in
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the party go to make a call hit the wrong button and it speed dialed 9-1-1 that's something I couldn't find
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information from on the internet the other thing to one of my speculations and we'll have to get into this later is
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it possible that little JonBenet Ramsey herself called 9-1-1 because something happened at that party
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[Music] foreign [Music] we're back cheers mates cheers captain and today we are drinking Citra Noel
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Beer Fund in 2019 happy holidays and just to be clear about this party we're not for sure it's been reported multiple
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ways that the person claimed Santa Claus got a tour of the house from JonBenet Ramsey some people speculate that
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happened in 1996 some people say that happened in 1995. so Bill McReynolds was considered a
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family friend of the Ramses and someone that he wasn't just somebody that was hired to play Santa Claus they they knew
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this man on some level right he had played Santa Claus at their holiday party before and as you said it's a bit
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confusing on the stories that you hear even over 20 years later where some people will say JonBenet gave
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Bill McReynolds a tour of the home at some point during the party on in 1996 some people say that it may have
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happened in 1995. we also have a situation where it is said that JonBenet gave Bill
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McReynolds a gift and he would say years later that out of all the times that he played Santa Claus
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out of all the parties that he attended as Santa Claus that JonBenet was the only child to give him a gift again he's
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receiving this gift a couple days before her death so that's something that obviously would stick out to you other
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and the only other gift that he probably ever got was like maybe a stinky lap from some dirty kid on Christmas Eve
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December 24th an article appeared in the Daily Camera regarding the Ramsay's Christmas party
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apparently this Daily Camera is just watching and Reporting everything going on in the Ramses world
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during the day on December 24th JonBenet played at a friend's home this is Megan
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costanex house and told Megan's mother Barbara about a secret visit from Santa now this wasn't just her running up and
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saying hey Santa's going to visit me there was a discussion had between Megan's mother Barbara and little
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JonBenet right Barbara questioned JonBenet as to when Santa was going to pay her this secret
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visit because we are on Christmas Eve you can imagine the natural conversation that would be had an adult and a small
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child the adult is going to say something to the effect of yes you've been good all year and when you go to
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bed tonight Santa's going to visit you and when you wake up you're going to find all your presents under the tree
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through this conversation what Barbara would learn is that JonBenet explains to her no I'm not talking about you know
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she wasn't talking about the traditional visit from Santa Claus as we all know it
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right duh that's already gonna happen she says no this is going to be a secret visit after Christmas and of course at
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the time this doesn't seem to be anything out of the ordinary for Barbara or strange right it would only be until a
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few days later that this is really going to set off some alarm bells one that's what's so difficult about this case is
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there's so many little points of you can't even call them evidence just points of speculation that could mean
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everything or could mean nothing at all the other thing too here Captain is I'm sure there's a lot of people out there
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right now that if they did not know of this detail already their mind is immediately jumping to Santa Claus Bill
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McReynolds who we just discussed playing Santa Claus at the Ramsay's home on the
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23rd I think that's a natural fit we should keep in mind here though how many Christmas events has this
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little girl attended just in the recent weeks right how many Santa Clauses did she come into interaction with we talked
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about the parade that she attended that she sat on the float the main attraction
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was Santa Claus she could have spoke to a Santa Claus there or just somebody dressed as Santa Claus right or a Santa
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Claus at the mall or yeah the mall pageant that she attended there was the school event this is the second of the
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Ramsey's Christmas parties and who knows how many parties they attended as a family right but let's just say that
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she's spent a little more time than some of the kids with the family friend playing Santa and he just casually says
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she she might have said something to him like well yeah I know you're going to visit me on Christmas what but what
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about after that and he's like oh well I'll I'll pay you a special visit after Christmas
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not didn't mean anything but would mean the world to a six-year-old just like the 9-1-1 call that came from the Ramses
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home on the 23rd this mention of a secret visit from Santa Claus after Christmas could
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mean a lot it could mean nothing at all in regards to the investigation on December 24th later that day the
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Ramses attended the Twilight service at St John's Episcopal Church in Boulder Colorado
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around 9pm John Ramsey retrieves a brand new silver girls bicycle stored at a neighbor's home this is Joe Barnhill's
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garage and he places it under the Christmas tree for JonBenet and then both John and Patsy Ramsey get
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stashed Christmas gifts out from their basement it's listed here as the basement area and place these under the
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tree as well this is interesting for a few reasons one it shows that at 9 pm on the 24th both a rant both Ramsay adults
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both parents went down into the basement to retrieve these hidden Christmas gifts
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for the kids right their basement as we mentioned earlier is made up of a series
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of rooms there's several small rooms in this basement it's my understanding that
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the large room was more of a play area now given the size of this home I don't know that a designated play area means
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that it was frequented by the children often or if it was just a once in a while type
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thing well their house is very interesting to me because it's so large but it's so blocked off in little
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sections it's almost like a maze and also when you see pictures or video footage when they had the little tours
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for the houses the Christmas tours their house looks immaculate it looks amazing
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but but when you see crime scene photos of the house it looks every room looks like it's in a disarray looks like to me
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I would say every room needs to be cleaned every room needs to be organized based off those pictures so it's a it's
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a very interesting house couple quick thoughts here before we move on Captain often you know this was a home built in
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1927 and often when homes are added to over the years they end up looking like that where it's a it's a lot of smaller
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rooms rather than a few giant rooms yeah and I also wondered and I couldn't find
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I I know that there's blueprints of this house online and I've found like the top
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floors but I couldn't tell the basement and like you said this house has been added on to but a lot of times the
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basements aren't added onto so let's say it's a 7 000 square foot home well that
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basement only might be 1500 square feet the reason why I pointed out that the basement was a series of rooms as well
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as question how often the basement was in actual use by either the parents and or the kids is that my assumption here
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is that the parents are hiding the gifts from their kids they could be possibly hiding gifts from
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one another as well right but just wanted to point out that on Christmas Eve both parents state that they went
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into the basement of that home now I question how often the children would be in the basement because
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we're going to have a lot of questions going forward about a very small room that's well tucked away in this basement
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don't go down there very often there's no need to hide these gifts to that extent they could have just hid them in
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the quote-unquote playroom yeah but it's pretty common knowledge that this room that they quote unquote called The Wine
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Cellar is a room that was unfinished it was to be come a wine cellar never happen
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and that's often where they would hide gifts because that at least that part of the basement we know that the kids
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didn't go to so we we have do we have something stating that the the gifts were hid in this wine cellar
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no but what we have from John Ramsey is when he was explaining to the police officers this is you know this is what
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we call The Wine Cellar but it's not finished yet it's going to be The Wine Cellar right now it's just used for
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storage and sometimes we put presents there for the kids on December 25th 1996 this is around 6 a.m the Ramses wake up
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later in an interview Patsy will say it was six-ish probably the Ramses John Patsy Burke and JonBenet will partake in
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the normal Christmas morning activities exchanging and opening gifts breakfast and you know Captain I feel like the
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Christmas morning cup of coffee is the best one of the year I love when the parents stop everything and say look
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we're not opening up anything and so I get my first cup of coffee right right make them wait
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at noon John is going to leave the house this is to go and check on the airplane
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keep in mind they have a planned flight for early the next morning sometime between 2 and 3 P.M John Ramsey
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returns to the home from checking the plane so the family with the exception of John
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leaving for a bit this is pretty much just a really great Christmas Day at home now you had touched upon something just
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a few minutes ago where you said when you see the crime scene photos that the house is in disarray that it's just a
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mess well first off with my standards with two young children in the home and having a
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big Christmas I would say a big lavish Christmas because the parents have all kinds of money and they can buy these
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children all kinds of stuff one would anticipate to see a mess especially when they're not hosting anything you know
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they've already hosted their Christmas get together one would expect to see a mess however I
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do want to point out that there were several people close relatives of the Ramses that
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stated that the house was kind of always in a mess even though that the house had
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a housekeeper and that they had some help that would come in and take care of some things for them the house was
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always in a mess this again in part two young children will do that to a home right but messy house messy mind
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I also want to point out that in years past we have video footage of the Ramses Christmas on I believe it was 1994 and I
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maybe some footage on 95 I don't know if that was released to the public but on 1996 what they claim is I think they
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woke up and the battery was dead of the camcorder so that's why they didn't take
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a video that day between 5 and 6 PM the Ramses left their house this is all four
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of them John Patsy Burke and JonBenet and they are in route for the home of their dear friends Fleet and Priscilla
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White this is for a Christmas party I've seen this reported to be as early as 4 P.M but most often it's said to be
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in the five o'clock hour now this is your typical Christmas party but at an unknown time
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the Ramses leave this party right on the drive home from the party JonBenet and her brother Burke fell asleep in the car
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and the Ramses made some stops along the way to drop off gifts this is to Stewart
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and Roxy Walker's home and then to Glenn and Susan Stein's house because we don't know exactly what time
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they left the party and what time these stops took place we also don't know exactly what time the
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Ramses arrived back at their house right they claim it was between 9 and 9 30. we would have several stories about what
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would take place once the Ramses arrive at their home one of these stories says that John put
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JonBenet Ramsey to bed and then he went and played a game with Burke afterward and eventually Burke goes to bed
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the Ramses later reported to the Boulder Police Department officers that JonBenet
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Ramsey was last seen by Patsy Ramsey in The Residence at approximately 10 pm according to Boulder Police Department
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detective Linda arndt John Ramsey said JonBenet was last seen by him at approximately 2200 hours 10 p.m either
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way both of these statements put JonBenet as being last seen in her bed at 10 o'clock right and a lot of people
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think how it went down was they get home she's still asleep they don't want to wake her up and John carries her to her
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bed that's where he would say good night and then supposedly this is where Patsy Ramsey comes in to
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check on her and and says good night to her as well John would tell two Boulder police officers separately that he read
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to both children before they went to bed now later he would deny both of those statements yeah because I've I've heard
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him say several times that he carried her to bed and she was asleep when he carried her to bed
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yeah I just don't know here Captain I could see either of these situations being very likely kids fall asleep in
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the car you don't want to wake him up you put them straight to bed it's also Christmas night you know thinking back
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to my childhood you remember when you get like something super cool like like a Super Nintendo or really big gift
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right and then your parents are like here's your Super Nintendo with a couple of games
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oh we gotta leave and go to somebody's Christmas party and you're like the last thing I want to do is leave so the
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kitchen yeah they could have still been excited and when they got home either situation
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makes makes sense to me what doesn't make sense is that the stories aren't the same or similar enough yeah and I
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would say look if you're Burke hey look at the story they both fell asleep on the way home nine-year-old Burke wakes
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up and guess what he wants to do he wants to play with one of his cool toys that he got just like you just said
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JonBenet Ramsey is she's six years old and think about the amount of stuff she has done she she's been a on in
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competitions she's been Prof in performances she's had to be run all over to this family gathering this
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friends and family gathering I'm assuming that this six-year-old is wiped out and there is a picture that was just
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recent in the last couple years released to the public which is supposedly the last picture of JonBenet
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that was ever taken and she looks tired in the picture and that was taken at the
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party before they left to go home so and also like I said early claims from John Ramsey this is what happened
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later claims from John Ramsey this is what happened I'm going to go with that story around
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10 to 10 30 p.m Patsy goes to bed now according to Patsy's statement John goes to bed at 1003 to 10 33 p.m what we're
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basing this off of is that Patsy says quote John came to bed shortly thereafter then asked do you recall if it was 15
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minutes or a half an hour right Patsy Ramsey says it was probably just a few minutes so we are tacking on three
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minutes either way to that statement 1003 to 10 33. John and Patsy both claim that they were not awakened during the
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night they're both in bed yeah but I heard it reported somewhere I want to say maybe it was John Douglas that John
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Ramsey claims that he took some kind of sleeping aid that night I believe that to be correct
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as well as I think that was a pretty regular thing for John Ramsey either way by both accounts we have both of them in
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bed between 10 10 30ish 10 33 at the latest yeah I've not seen any reports like growing up when I was a kid my father
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would go through and check the windows and check the doors now we didn't live in a 7 000 square foot
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house but I wonder if John Ramsey had some kind of routine that he would check the perimeter of the house it has been
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said that he did that night and it has been said by people that were close to the family and their housekeeper that
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the Ramses were quote good I believe the quote is actually really good about locking their doors
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but it's interesting because they're not using their alarm system they have alarm
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system but it seems like that was not a common practice for the Ramses it would have been at one time the
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problem was or it's been reported as such that having two little kids in the home the children were constantly
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setting off the security system which created all these false alarms and anybody that has a security system knows
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that those false alarms they start to come with fines that can get fairly fairly steep right fairly quickly from
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law enforcement Now we move on to December 26th captain sometime around midnight neighbor Scott
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Gibbons says he looked out his kitchen window toward the Ramsey residence and observed
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that the upper kitchen lights were on and dimmed low again another one of those things that
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could mean something it could mean nothing at all now the whereabouts of John Andrew
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Ramsey this is John's son from his first marriage his whereabouts will come into question
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so it is important for us to note here that between midnight and 1am at least three people put him at the home of
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Lucinda Johnson in Marietta Georgia later he is at another home again in Georgia
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just to be perfectly clear here captain these sightings these Alibis for John Andrew Ramsey are 100 percent confirmed
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right yeah they were actually cleared by the police which they haven't cleared a lot of people in
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this case so for them to clear him that that's important and we have confirmation of people being with John
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Andrew Ramsey up until 8 36 A.M at 1am neighbors Andrew Vermeer and Luke Vermeer they went to bed this is after
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watching movies they say that before they went to bed all the way up to 1am they did not hear anything
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unusual they didn't see anything unusual everything was typical for that time of
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night according to Boulder detective Steve Thomas neighbor Melody Stanton says she
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heard a scream between midnight and 2 A.M this seems quite interesting to me but I
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do want to take this a step further and point out that this same woman did say at the very early stages of the
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investigation that she had nothing to offer she did not want to get involved then later she claims that she heard a
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scream between the Midnight Hour and approximately 2 am yeah I heard when I heard about these screams is that
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they heard some screams multiple screams not just one but they heard multiple screams and thought okay well
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surely the the parents of this girl are home because they she thought the screams were from a little girl that the
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parents are home and they'll take care of this and that's why they stopped hearing the screams also around 2 A.M I
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want to point out that the whites regarding the activity at their friend's Fleet in Priscilla White
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everyone including their guest are reported to have gone to bed by 2 am at 5 30 a.m John Ramsey wakes up
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the family planned to get up early that morning because they were to fly to Charlevoix Michigan for a family
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vacation Patsy Ramsey got up quote a few minutes later while Mr Ramsey took a shower Mrs Ramsey
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put back on the same outfit she had on the night before she put on some makeup and she went down
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to the second floor and then went down the spiral stairs to the kitchen now there's two different versions of
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this story there is one that states that she went to check on JonBenet on her way
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downstairs and JonBenet was not there right the other story says that she went she attempted to go straight down to the
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ground level floor now either way they're on the spiral stairs she found on a step near the bottom of
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these stairs she discovered a handwritten note on three sheets of paper laid out side by
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side that indicated that JonBenet had been kidnapped Patsy Ramsey told detective
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aren't that she found a note at the bottom of the staircase at approximately 5 45 AM
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she says she read only a few lines stating that JonBenet was kidnapped but safe and unharmed and demanding 118
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thousand dollars for her return Mrs Ramsey immediately screamed and then ran to check jonbenet's room which she
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found to be empty after hearing Mrs Ramsey scream John Ramsey ran downstairs and met Patsy
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Ramsey in the stairwell together they checked on Burke who appeared to be asleep in his room
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John Ramsey then went downstairs to read The Ransom note he told Patsy to call the police 9-1-1 logged the call at 5 52
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A.M oh [Applause] how old is your daughter she's gone six years old how long ago was it I don't know
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each other [Music] I don't know there's a ransom note here it's a ransom though it says it's BTC
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victory [Applause] foreign [Applause] do you know how long she's been gone please we just got out the machine right
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here oh my God please okay I am honey please take a deep breath away okay hurry hurry
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