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around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] crime [Music] it was May 19th
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2016 Jenny jibbo Was preparing to leave for work it is about 7:45 a.m. to her surprise her 19-year-old grandson Logan
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shlan who lived with her and her husband bill came into the kitchen from the garage Logan had been out all night
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which was not a big surprise he is 19 years old Logan says he was out all night just driving around Jenny thought
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he seemed nervous and anxious about something he seemed to want to talk but yet was hesitant something seemed to be
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bothering him finally he said to her that he recently had an epiphany and he used that uncommon word
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Epiphany the literary definition of epiphany a Visionary moment when someone has a sudden Insight or realization that
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changes one understanding of themselves or their comprehension of the world but Jenny was already running late
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and told Logan that the two would sit together and talk that evening when she got home from work and so Jenny left the
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house whatever the young man had to say or get off of his chest is a mystery we will do our best to try to
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track Logan's possible movements and actions sense because there would be no such conversation between Jenny and
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Logan after Jenny returned home from work that evening in fact it has now been almost five long years since her
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grandson told her he had an epiphany and Jenny has not spoken to nor seen Logan since this is true crime
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garage [Music] Logan Drew schindelman was born on June 27th 1996 to Mom Hannah and a father
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that he never knew his mom Hannah is mixed race and her mother is Jenny who is a white woman who dated a black man
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who is Hannah's father but Hannah did not have much if any of a relationship with her father Hannah grew up with her
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mom Jenny in Tumwater Washington about 60 Mi south of Seattle and just north of Olympia Hannah herself turned out to be
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a young single mom to a daughter named Chloe when Khloe was still very young Hannah met a young engineer visiting the
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country from Saudi Arabia Hannah got pregnant but the man had to return to his homeland so he never met his son his
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son would turn out to be Logan it's not even certain that this man even knows that he has a son in the US Logan grew
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up with his older sister Khloe mom Hannah and Grandma Jenny and stepfather Bill who they all lived with he had no
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Father Figure in his life except for Bill and his great uncle Mike wear who is married to Logan's Aunt Mary this is
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Jenny's sister Mary and Mike live not too far from the jbo household eventually at the age of 23
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Hannah decided to leave her kids with her mother and move to Olympia to start art
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school so the grandmother Jenny obtained legal guardianship of the kids so they could be on her health Insurance Hannah
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does not speak publicly about this case but she seems to have had a good relationship with her son Logan who
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would visit her frequently and spend the night at her place Logan played football at Tumwater
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High and he was very popular funny and well-liked he played defensive back on the team which was state champs for two
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of Logan's four years in high school things were good for Logan he was was a good-look kid very athletic very
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attractive young man and he was a pretty decent student as well this despite not
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really putting forth much effort into his schoolwork this is according to his grandmother he also liked to write
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poetry and was really into music by all accounts he was a normal teenager after graduation in
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2014 Logan intended to go to college at Eastern Washington and to room there with with one of his good buddies from
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high school but the summer after his senior year Logan started to change his friends say that he was going through
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something but they didn't really know what exactly it was now there is one noted incident that might clue Us in on
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what those changes were in his life this is when Logan was at a party where he had some kind of interaction with a girl
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that he knew a girl that he went to school with and he knew fairly well this girl made some racist comments
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specifically about Logan at the party now many people claim that the Tumwater area is an integrated town and Logan
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didn't stand out because he was black but others say that the area is overwhelmingly white and that it would
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have been difficult for Logan to fit in at times yeah extra difficult coming from people that you thought were your
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friends well reportedly this incident at the party seems to be the beginning of Logan withdrawing from his group of
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friends whom he must have felt did not have his back they weren't there to defend him they weren't there for him
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this is one of those life moments that I always call hey you find out sometimes who your real friends are if these guys
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and girls truly were his friends they would have stood up for him in this moment so he stopped responding to
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friends messages even though they could tell from Facebook that he had read these messages he abruptly canceled his
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plans to go to the college he had committed to instead he switched to Washington State University this is a
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much larger and more diverse school but this is somewhere that he would know no one going into his freshman Year Jenny
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his grandmother believes that he was going through some sort of identity crisis and possibly wanted to reinvent
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himself reportedly he had just recently learned the truth about who his father was a Saudi
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national the timing on this and how much of a surprise it was is not clear and Logan had recently spent some time
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connecting with his grandfather's side of the family this is the African-American side of Logan's family
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who later claimed that Jenny tried to to keep Logan from this part of his Heritage we don't really know whether
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this is true there's a little bit of drama here that's obvious Logan's African-American relatives say Jenny was
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keeping Logan from them and that Logan told them Jenny would be angry if she knew he had been in contact with them
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but Jenny said that that side of the family had never exhibited any interest in Logan and that their interaction with
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him often quickly fizzled out she said she was happy for Logan to interact with all of his relatives and that all of his
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questions about his father had been answered at that time at the time of his disappearance but his great aunt Tina
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said that Logan started posting some stuff relating to Malcolm X and other racially aware items on his social media
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all in all it sounds like Logan was struggling a bit to figure out out who he was and where he belonged both in the
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family and in the world Logan went off to WSU in the fall he made some friends he
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didn't have a lot of trouble fitting in there we know he dated at least one girl
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but they broke up Logan was not diligent about his schoolwork and when he came home for the summer after his freshman
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year he was not permitted to enroll for the following year because of poor grades so Logan lived at home with his
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grandma and her husband Jenny says that Logan had a few jobs including working at a commercial laundry service he also
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spent quite a bit of time helping his great uncle remember this is Mike wear on Mike's Farm Mike wear was a retired
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thirston County Sheriff's Lieutenant who served for 37 years at this point of our
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timeline Mike wear was retired for about 2 years Mike is very fond of Logan and says Logan was a hard worker who
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deserved the $20 an hour that Mike paid him Jenny says that during this time Logan seemed isolated and a little
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depressed spending a lot of time in his room listening to music or watching movies and he started smoking a lot of
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pot she says it was at this point that it was making him a little paranoid Lo seemed to mostly keep to himself he had
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a talking and texting relationship with a girl in Oregon the two met on a dating
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app but the two never actually met in person well this transition from high school to college is difficult on
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anybody but it seems like there was extra pressure or extra weight on Logan's shoulders this gives us a good
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amount of background information regarding Logan and his family and it brings us up to the time when he is
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going to go missing so this is on Thursday May 19th Jenny his grandmother left for work
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this is after that very brief Epiphany conversation Logan was at home when Jenny left everything was fine when she
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left for work but when she returned from work Logan's car was gone and going into
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the home she notices he's not there as well he didn't come home that night and on Friday Jenny became concerned enough
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to to track his phone she says this was around 11:00 a.m. per a post on the family's Facebook page quote the AT&T
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locator services GPS indicated the phone Logan's phone was on Boulevard Road in Olympia approximately within an8 block
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radius of Steel Street where Logan's mother lives and quote so Jenny sees this right Captain she's wanding where
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her grandson is yeah it wasn't terribly unusual for him not to come home but again as the morning continues on she
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starts to worry tracks the phone the old Family Locator friends locator app that's on most
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phones sees that his phone is in the general area of where Logan's mother lives it wasn't uncommon for him to go
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visit his mother it wasn't uncommon for him to stay the night there once in a while it doesn't sound like they had an
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everyday relationship though like you know it wasn't we'll get we'll continue to get into the family a little bit as
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we go through the case but I just want to point out here it seems to be this is not a close family I couldn't spot any
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obvious problems within the family but it doesn't seem to be a very close family well and Logan drove a black
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Sebring anybody that's a fan of the office would know Michael Scott drove a Sebring so it's like a convertible by
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the looks of the picture it doesn't look to be in the greatest condition but not
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the worst condition yeah it was a 96 Chrysler Sebring so it would have been about 10 years old at the time that
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Logan went missing pretty standard for a college student when Jenny sees that Logan's phone is over near his mom's
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house in Olympia she says okay this was pretty normal stuff so she stops worrying at this time but Logan didn't
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come home that night either and when Jenny checked in with her daughter Hannah Logan's mom she said Logan never
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came over to the house she hadn't seen him in a week so now this is concerning Jenny got in her car and drove around
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Tumwater looking for Logan's 96 black Chrysler Sebring convertible she does not find the vehicle she decided to
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report him missing so Jenny drove over to the thirston county sheriff's office to her surprise and frankly to my
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surprise as well right pardon me I'm just some dumb guy in a garage in central Ohio dumb super dumb I've never
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been to Washington always wanted to go to Washington State so I'm not very familiar with this area Captain uhuh but
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she says to her surprise the county sheriff's office was closed on the day that she went to report her grandson
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missing I didn't know that department is closed yeah 2016 I feel like crime is high enough yeah everywhere that they
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just stay open unfortunately we don't have enough to do well they're closed no staff was on site on this Saturday the
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only way to get in touch with them would be to make a 911 call Jenny decides for
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whatever reason not to do this right she decided just to wait until Monday to report her grandson missing well it's
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tough too cuz you know he's going through some stuff and he's an adult so there's probably been many times where
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he's been out partying with friends or just staying the night at a friend's house and maybe he didn't let them know
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so it's not that unusual that a 19-year-old would be not seen from his parental figures for a couple days well
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and he was away at school for a whole school year right so she's used to him not being there and he's used to taking
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care of himself as you said he's an adult and a very capable one at that now by the actual time and date that Jenny
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reports Logan missing this is Monday May 23rd Logan had not been seen nor heard from in 4 days yeah when Jenny reported
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Logan missing the detective in her opinion was dismissive the detective took down the information that Logan was
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missing an action and that he was last seen wearing ing a black windbreaker a pair of jeans a white shirt and a pair
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of Nike shoes yeah at this point you're calling 911 you're calling hospitals you're now talking to the police
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department they're not going to seem as concerned because again this is this is a a man yes he's 19 years old but he's a
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man he's 6 foot tall he's not an individual that's typically prayed upon it's not like a 19 year old female so I
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could see why they're a little dismissive okay you haven't seen your college age son but I could see why
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they're a little dismissive of it yeah and that is what's going on here um he's an adult as you pointed out and the
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detective is going to remind Jenny hey he could go missing if he wants to he does not need to be accounted for or
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answer to anyone because he's an adult but Jenny says that she kind of felt ignored in the whole situ ation one
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thing that the detective did before Jenny left was she asked for the license plate and the vehicle identification
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number for Logan's vehicle right Jenny gave this information to the detective and the car was registered to Jenny and
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Bill jibbo Jenny got a call that afternoon the same afternoon that she reported Logan to be missing when the
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detective ran the plates of the missing vehicle she discovered that the car was towed by the state patrol on Friday May
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20th Logan's car was sitting in the tow yard for several days the captain and I have pointed this out a hundred times
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longtime listeners will know this we always point out that vehicles seem to be much easier to locate than actual
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people so great thing great thinking by the detective there who says give me the
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vehicle information because not only is this young man missing his vehicle missing as well this is going to be our
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first major breadcrumb and to try to finding out the whereabouts of this young man so it seems like his car was
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parked on the side of a highway or a road and then it was towed by the county to their tow yard this looks like yeah
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an an abandoned vehicle situation per law enforcement where they're going to see what appears to be an abandon
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vehicle and they're going to tow it off and it's going to sit there until the owner comes to claim it now Jenny is
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horrified to hear about Logan's vehicle it's abandoned on the inside shoulder of
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Interstate 5 southbound at Mile poost 92 lodged against the concrete barrier in the center median well yeah we have a
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missing kid but now we find his car maybe if it's on the side of the road but the fact that it's in the middle
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that causes a lot more concern for me so for those that know the area the reports
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I have Captain say that the vehicle was just a little way south of the mtown rest area which would be about 10 Mi
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south of Tumwater where he lives with his grandmother yeah but again 10 miles look if if it was abandoned like maybe a
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mile or two miles away you'd go okay well something happened maybe his car broke down and he would have walked to
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us but being 10 miles away it's you know it's pretty fishy now do these reports state if there was anything wrong with
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the car cuz normally they just tow it they don't like check the engine or check to see if there's gas or anything
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so two of the biggest mysteries that I could not answer when diving into this case to the biggest mysteries for myself
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because I think what we're going to see and I I know for myself anyway that a lot of my big
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questions are sparked by this vehicle by the abandonment of this vehicle or was there Foul Play and somebody else
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moved the vehicle so I could not figure out I could not find somebody email us or rather more importantly put it on the
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blog so everybody can read it but was the vehicle locked when it was located it doesn't sound like it was because it
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almost sounds like in some reports that possibly even one of the doors was open right the other thing I couldn't figure
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out was like you question was the vehicle in operating order was it was it able to run right because most
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of the time people abandon a vehicle on the freeway out of necessity not out of choice nobody wants flat tire out of gas
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yeah nobody wants to get out and have to Trek along the freeway or call for help
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on the freeway you get off to the side and that's the other weird thing captain and you pointed this out as well it's
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the center media it's not like dangerous right if you could choose to get off of the freeway
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you would go off to the rightand side and and try to get yourself out of Harm's Way you got Vehicles passing by
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at 60 70 75,000 mph 75,000 miles 75,000 miles 75,000 miles hour the warp speed that's CU you're super dumb Dum I was
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watching a lot of sci-fi stuff so the vehicle was found at 2 p.m. we think and I want to be clear
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about that this is based off of information that Jenny revealed later about Logan's phone and when calls came
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in regarding the abandoned vehicle so the closest timestamp I could find of when the vehicle was located and
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determined to be abandoned by the sheriff's department was at 2 p.m. well in looking into this case I I end up
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talking to a highway patrol officer and he was saying yeah maybe you could determine the time frame based on calls
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in but normally what happens when there's abandoned car is Highway Patrol or sheriff or or whoever's in that area
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or in charge of that area will go by maybe make a couple marks on the window maybe even write down a time cuz they
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want to give the person an opportunity to take care of the vehicle themselves they usually tag it yeah they normally
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don't tow it right away so 2: p.m. I don't know if that's a number that we can really rely on so here's what I'm
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going to go with but mind you this is the same guy that just said Vehicles traveling at 75,000 mil hour that's a
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fast car that's um that's a fast my general thoughts here on the time of when the vehicle would be towed
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I think the calls are coming in at two so then you have to back that up a little bit before an officer can
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actually respond to the area to find the vehicle and like you said most of the time they're going
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to tag it and leave it come back and if it's still there eventually tow it away I think because it's at the center
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median it's a problem for for traffic purposes and they probably towed it much quicker than they traditionally would
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Ken though this is you got to be fearful here look I know when a 19-year-old girl
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goes missing we talk about or or crime shows will talk about oh well she was a pretty girl or whatever but here we have
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this individual Logan he's a good-looking kid he's a he's a smart kid he's a hard worker this just doesn't
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make a lot of sense that one you find his vehicle and he has no contact with friends or family for multiple days we
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do know that calls were coming in about the vehicle at 2: p.m. the car was towed
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by Baker Towing and it was towed to their lot at the request of Washington State Patrol Sergeant Shades the Sant
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police when they find the vehicle they didn't search the car and this makes total sense because they did not suspect
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that it was connected to any type of crime when they located it on the freeway their concern is get it off of
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Interstate 5 right they're going to go up to the car and if there's no blood and there's no see like there's no
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wreckage they're not going to search the vehicle yeah and there's nothing obvious
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in plain sight there's not yeah it's not like they'll open up the door and there's like 75,000 lbs of
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cocaine right that that number is going to be stuck in our heads for a long time
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your fault when the grandmother when Logan's grandmother retrieves the vehicle after it was towed back to her
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home she found that it contained Logan's cell phone car keys water bottle and snacks in a large paper grocery
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bag some Reports say that there were two large paper grocery bags M this bag was
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either sitting on the passenger seat or on the center console depending on which
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news article you read Logan's wallet containing most Reports say $25 some say $2 4 in cash mhm and his
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wallet also contained his debit card and driver's license the wallet was found in
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the glove compartment there were other small amounts of cash small bills and change
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in various spots of the interior of the vehicle like one would expect to to find
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in most people's Vehicles the cars registration was in the glove box as well but we point out
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these items the cell phones particularly important the car keys particularly important wait hold on I got a question
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so the cell phone car keys where they found and the glove box as well I don't know and here's why I location of the
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cell phone in the keys this is why I bring up this question right because if you're the person Towing the car and on
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the passenger seat you see wallet car key cell phone blah blah blah right I'm towing the car I know it's going to sit
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at the lot maybe locked maybe unlocked but just as a safety measure I'm going to open up that glove box or a center
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console or something and put these loose items these important items into the glove box so I bring up this point
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because I don't necessarily think that means that Logan or somebody else put his wallet in the glove box it could
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have been done by a police officer or the towing agent or whoever dumped the vehicle there
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if it wasn't Logan that left it on on the center median at I5 yeah we point out all these items because it's
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important information to the case but it's also it can also help lead you to several
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conclusions the cash if it wasn't Logan that dumped the vehicle if it was a robbery why not take the cash they would
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have taken the cash a a dumb robber would have taken the debit card as well and the cell phone unless the wallet was
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in the glove box and they didn't know it they just didn't find it for whatever reason regardless this is a bad bad
00:34:33
situation Logan's gone and his car with all of his important personal possessions in it were found abandoned
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in the middle of a major interstate and Jenny his grandmother knew that Logan loved and took a lot of
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pride in his vehicle so she could not imagine him abandoning it especially in that particular way yeah that his Pride
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for his Sebring was just like Michael Scott's Pride for his Sebring there's some added factors in here too Captain
00:35:05
it looks like from reports that I found that Logan is highly allergic to peanuts and he did
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not have his epip pen with him when he went missing the reports are unclear though
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it I couldn't figure out was the epip pen found in his vehicle or was it something that was left at behind at
00:35:29
home right now after the family informed the sheriff's department of what was found in the vehicle a detective from
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the thirston county sheriff's office was assigned to the case and started to investigate he came out to Jenny's house
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searched the car dusted for prints and took photographs of the vehicle and the items that were found inside if anything
00:35:50
other than what we have reported was found or any prints Fingerprints of Interest were lifted did we know nothing
00:35:58
about this there's no reports at this time about that and I I just want to applaud Jenny for a second right raising
00:36:07
Logan and anytime there there's a missing person somebody has to step up to the plate not law enforcement
00:36:15
somebody in the family a friend somebody has to be the general the captain the colonel that says hey we have a missing
00:36:25
loved one we give a [ __ ] about them and we're going to push that onto law enforcement we're going to push that
00:36:32
onto the community we should keep in mind though that this search of the vehicle per the
00:36:41
family their opinion is that this was a general and cursy search of the vehicle that it was never really
00:36:50
forensically processed I mean we said that fingerprints they looked for fingerprints but there was never like
00:36:57
they didn't put any they didn't apply luminol or comparable chemicals to try to detect blood or anything of that
00:37:06
nature my guess is that there's no obvious sign of a struggle inside the vehicle or outside of the vehicle yeah
00:37:13
well there was nobody coming forward saying hey I I looked at the car myself or I smelled any kind of Decay coming
00:37:21
from the vehicle so right and we do have some eyewitnesses regarding the vehicle
00:37:27
because we know that that 911 was called a couple of times regarding the the abandoned vehicle but there was no one
00:37:34
saying that hey I saw you know guys fighting on the side of the road right investigators did take when they came
00:37:43
out and looked at the vehicle they were smart enough to take Logan's computer and his cell phone and they did search
00:37:50
his room while they were there we have read that a thorough forensic exam ination of Logan's phone was done but
00:38:01
this did not seem to lead investigators to Logan or his whereabouts I think that's very key here
00:38:08
I don't know I don't know exactly what to make of that but I know that this was done and it was done very thoroughly and
00:38:17
if there was a significant lead on that phone I don't know that we're sitting here today Captain talking about
00:38:27
a young man that's still missing well question real quick is it possible that there is a lead on the phone that the
00:38:34
police are just not telling us about it could be but there has been some things that took place in this case since he's
00:38:42
gone missing that would tell me that they're at a point where they've run out of leads or run out of
00:38:50
ideas and so I think if maybe that phone pointed them in any direction at all early on in the
00:38:58
investigation that lead or those leads have dried up or they they were just simply dead ends so it seems to me and I
00:39:05
I could be wrong but it seems to me that the idea is that we find this car we find the cell phone we find the keys we
00:39:12
find the wallet we do not find Logan so it's when they find the car this is roughly giving us a a decent point of
00:39:21
when he possibly went missing right but here's where things get tricky because remember this is per the phone
00:39:30
this is still phone information this is from the family's Fakebook Facebook page
00:39:35
and from the Charlie project page for Logan both say that Jenny ran a family locator on Logan's phone on Friday May
00:39:45
20th and it showed that he was in the Olympia area near his mother's house Jenny said that this was done around
00:39:54
11:00 a.m. his car was found roughly 3 hours later by our calculations sometime around 2: p.m. right but in an interview
00:40:04
on ID disappeared the current lead detective on the case Frank FY says that they checked the cell phone records for
00:40:14
the phone and on Thursday night the phone traveled Southbound on I5 down to Southern Washington to the cus area and
00:40:24
it spent the phone spent about 45 minutes there then went North to Tumwater at 3 then at 3:45 a.m. the the
00:40:34
phone stopped moving by May 20th early morning all phone activity ended he said he said that he believes the phone
00:40:44
died again this would be May 20th early morning right the problem with that is I
00:40:50
I don't I do not know the science behind it to question Jenny's statements about
00:40:56
running the locator at 11:00 a.m. right C can the phone be dead and still located still tracked
00:41:05
GPS right at the same time and again that I think that's going to vary based on model how old the phone was what kind
00:41:12
of tracking service they used right so I can't say if this information regarding
00:41:17
the phone what Jenny's saying what the police are saying if there's inconsistencies in this information
00:41:24
again to we we've had several cases where the Ping technology is not 100% yeah and I what I really want to know
00:41:33
regarding the phone is there any indication on that phone be it text phone calls or what have you to indicate
00:41:42
that Logan was meeting someone communicating with anyone we have a lot of time that seems to go by between when
00:41:52
Jenny last sees Logan and when the vehicle is found we have over 24 hours between the two it's
00:42:02
roughly 30 hours if you really want to break it down and then we have the further question of what time did Logan
00:42:11
actually go missing what time did he leave the home we know that Jenny left the home she said that he was there when
00:42:17
I left the home I have seen some reports that say that he was he was going off to
00:42:23
work as well that day however we don't have any reports of saying he never arrived at work so was he supposed to
00:42:31
just stay at home and he he decided to leave the house at some point there's a real lack in information here in this
00:42:39
case and I don't think it's because of a a traditional situation where investigators are holding this
00:42:45
information back I think that this is information that people just don't know well like you said at some point
00:42:53
he's well maybe not Logan but maybe his phone that's all we can say we can't say
00:42:59
well we know where Logan was because we know where the phone was right because we have no proof that Logan was with his
00:43:05
phone but if he was with his phone at some point he's in an area for 45 minutes almost seems like he's meeting
00:43:12
up with somebody or having lunch with somebody or or running an Aaron but we have no evidence to tell us what that
00:43:21
was so my thoughts before we move on my general thought think anybody gives a [ __ ] about your thoughts today super
00:43:29
dumb dumb head regarding the movement of of the phone yes I was just joking I because I have to believe I think common
00:43:38
sense is going to tell us that the phone the movement of the phone and the vehicle are probably in sync we know
00:43:47
that later the phone is found inside the vehicle yeah where I see this phone moving it's it's almost like it it's
00:43:55
heading one One Direction then turns around heads back to where it came from and then turns back around one more time
00:44:02
and heads back to where it just came from these are kind of erratic strange movements to me it's either it it tells
00:44:12
me a couple of things either it wasn't Logan doing a lot of that movement or he's in a state of mind that that is as
00:44:23
erratic as the the the movement itself right you know it's almost it would make sense if we have someone to fill in the
00:44:30
blanks as as simple as someone saying he left oh but he had to come back about 45
00:44:37
minutes later because he forgot something or I forgot to give him something right that's that's the type
00:44:43
of movement that I see here but we don't have anybody to to fill in those blanks
00:44:47
for us to make sense of these movements but there are some eyewitnesses that claim that they saw his car yes yes and
00:44:56
this has been something that's been a little tricky because everything in this case seems tricky some Reports say that
00:45:03
there are two eyewitnesses some say that there are three some say as many as four
00:45:09
I think what we have here Captain is we probably have three or four eyewitnesses it's just how much do law
00:45:18
enforcement believe each one of these witnesses to be credible right so let's go through the eyewitness account
00:45:26
on Wednesday after Logan had been gone for 6 days Jenny contacted her sister and brother-in-law Mike and Mary wear to
00:45:36
tell them that Logan was missing Mike who had contacts from his days in working with the Sheriff's Office spoke
00:45:43
with the detective assigned to the case he had very little information but had discovered something important a truck
00:45:51
driver A semi-truck driver called 911 after seeing something something on I5 on the previous Friday a black Sebring
00:46:00
convertible was driving erratically swerving and driving too slow according to the truck driver no one appeared to
00:46:08
be behind the wheel while the vehicle was moving the car was in the slow lane the the far right lane and then pulled
00:46:18
onto the shoulder and stopped the driver's side door opened and closed again then man emerged from the
00:46:27
passenger door and ran into the woods the car apparently in gear or left in neutral on uneven ground rolled and
00:46:39
drifted across three lanes of southbound traffic and came to a stop after running
00:46:44
into the center barricade this is where it was eventually found wow now over the
00:46:51
course this witness information is crucially important important and it all comes down to the man the witness saw
00:46:59
running into the woods reports are that the witness believes that the man he saw
00:47:05
was white Caucasian about 6 feet tall Logan was nearly 6 feet tall so that fits racial but he's not going
00:47:16
to I don't believe that Logan would be described by an eyewitness as Caucasian I I actually could see it see
00:47:25
him being identified that way he's a lighter skinned black man yeah um I I I'm just saying I think it's possible
00:47:34
but can you imagine you see this car it's going too slow so that makes you think the eyewitness is correct there's
00:47:42
nobody driving the car it's it's a runaway vehicle right yeah going too slow well
00:47:48
that would make sense because there's nobody in the driver's side to be pushing the gas pedal right or did the
00:47:55
driver decide to go from the driver's side to the passenger side steer off to the shoulder and then
00:48:04
get out but again why would Logan that has no history of behavior like this do this and it makes you wonder I mean look
00:48:19
everybody not everybody it makes you wonder what was going on if this was Logan what was happening was was he
00:48:29
driving under the influence of possibly weed or the influence of alcohol or just
00:48:36
impaired driving from cuz he he had several jobs that he was working it just just doesn't make a lot
00:48:45
of sense at all no it makes zero it makes zero sense again it's without somebody to fill in some of these blanks
00:48:54
and we don't have any body coming forward saying that they spoke with Logan or met with him or hung out with
00:48:59
him during this time without somebody to fill in some of these blanks we we really can't make any sense of it I
00:49:06
don't think anybody could well let's go back to something too because if this truck driver big shout out to the truck
00:49:13
drivers Love truck drivers big shout out to the truck drivers but the interesting
00:49:19
thing here is if we knew from the towing company or law enforcement hey when we came up to the car the car was in
00:49:24
neutral or the car was in drive or the you know what I mean that's a great question and one thing I also thought
00:49:31
about in regards to the vehicle itself like okay so did they leave it and drive and it was simply idling because we know
00:49:38
it was traveling at a slow speed was it idling or was it left in neutral and it's just on uneven ground and it and
00:49:45
it's moving to until it stops itself right was it a stick shift in whomever was moving it
00:49:53
or you know there's a there's a lot of questions about I believe it was aut automatic but I could be wrong now I
00:50:01
think you might be right because one of the the family statements regarding the vehicle was that the gear shift and I
00:50:08
didn't want to take it as far to say that it that it was an automatic or stick shift based off of this
00:50:13
information but they did say that the the gear shift was pretty loose in the Sebring you know how sometimes they can
00:50:20
get really easy to to maneuver right over time some of them may have a button to engage them and you don't even have
00:50:27
to use the button after a few years but the statement was that they believe that if somebody bumped it that
00:50:34
that it moved easy enough that if you just bumped it it may you may be able to put it into a different gear why so the
00:50:41
thought maybe is whoever was in the passenger seat getting out of the vehicle could have bumped it that's
00:50:47
that's a possibility what we do have here though in regards to these eyewitness or potential eyewitness
00:50:54
accounts of of this vehicle moving across Lanes it's really this is very dangerous we're
00:51:02
we're talking about a situation where several people could have crashed or had some kind of vehicle accident regarding
00:51:09
the movement of this vehicle what we do have is we have the detective froley who
00:51:16
is currently the lead he was not the the lead detective initially but he's currently the lead on the case today he
00:51:24
said specific that there is only regardless of how many people called 911 to report the
00:51:31
vehicle there was only one witness who saw someone actually get out of the vehicle and flee into the woods and that
00:51:40
was the truck driver now do we get this drawing from the truck driver no we get this from a from a
00:51:47
potential other eyewitness we should point out that this area of Interstate 5 is not entirely rural but is surrounded
00:51:57
by Acres upon Acres of woodlands and was described by one Searcher as thick in Brushy this area was searched for Logan
00:52:08
now keep in mind he's missing for 4 days before they realize he's missing so there was a six-hour search using six
00:52:17
teams utilizing both tracking and caber dogs that found nothing in this area they also used heat seeking aerial
00:52:25
technology to penetrate the thickly wooded area surrounding the scene around where his vehicle was found and came up
00:52:34
with nothing I think that if something bad happened to Logan in that in the Woodlands area or yeah or the immediate
00:52:43
area of where his car was yeah I don't know how much heat on his body is going to be left 5 6 days later I I can't tell
00:52:52
you that but it doesn't seem like that would work for me now police did scour 9911 call records and found that another
00:53:01
call could be related to Logan this call came in at 3:00 a.m. now mind you the vehicle was found at 2: p.m. this call
00:53:10
came in at 3:00 a.m. on May 21st from a driver near the intersection of case Road and Poland Road this is very near
00:53:19
where Logan's vehicle was later found the caller reported seeing a young man sorry I have to laugh the caller
00:53:29
reported seeing a young man who was nuded from the waist down stumbling along the roadway oh he saw me the
00:53:36
caller said that the man that they saw was possibly black but the caller wasn't 100% sure right this is apparently near
00:53:45
an area that is frequented by crack addicts so there doesn't seem to be so there's a
00:53:54
crackhead uh running around with no pants on you know doing the helicopter playing flicky flicky and uh but he
00:54:01
doesn't know for sure if he's black we you know we have to report this because it is some information but I want to be
00:54:07
clear there is no there is zero evidence whatsoever that this was Logan and Jenny
00:54:14
his grandmother is adamant that the that she and other family members believe that they do not believe that Logan was
00:54:23
heavy into drugs they do not believe believe that that was Logan that was spotted by this 911 caller well yeah
00:54:31
look we all we all know that it only takes one time uh but again I I just don't think with this kid's history uh
00:54:41
with his character that this is something that like they said would be evidence of
00:54:50
Logan well and given what you know is in the area what the area is kind of known
00:54:55
for it seems much much more likely that it was just somebody else that was spotted and this 911 call somebody's
00:55:04
calling in to report hey there's a man out here that you might want to come out and ask him to put some pants on yeah my
00:55:11
issue is how do you not know what race he is well by seeing his naked ass it's Interstate 5 it's 3:00 a.m. in the
00:55:20
morning and you're probably traveling between somewhere between 60 60 MPH and 75,000 mph so you're probably not
00:55:29
getting that great of a look at the individual well I also wonder if it's one of those Millennial kids with the
00:55:36
super tight pants on so they thought that they were nude but they just really had super tight pants on here's a little
00:55:43
Ray of Hope for the family for Logan's family Logan's Facebook page reported a checkin at the airport in olymp
00:55:56
meaning someone's checking into a flight at the airport in Olympia mhm but sadly
00:56:03
it turned out to be a one year ago alert from Facebook so not any actual activity
00:56:09
on his page yeah but this is weird to me because normally what happens and I know
00:56:13
you're not big into social media but normally what happens is Facebook goes hey here's this memory of what happened
00:56:22
on this day a year ago two years ago five years ago do you want to share that you normally have to click yes I want to
00:56:30
share this again it normally doesn't just share that for you that's interesting so but then I talked to a
00:56:38
lot of people about this too is there's so many hackers that go into accounts change
00:56:47
some names delete people's history could it just be a Facebook glitch could it be some kind of hacker
00:56:55
on to his page could it be a family member or a friend or some girl that he dated for a while that knew his
00:57:02
information and decided to log on to see if they could help find anything but I want that's tricky because the
00:57:11
general statement that has been put out there and this was years after Logan went missing is that Logan's accounts
00:57:21
social media accounts have been untouched so it seems like a pretty blanketed statement there but that that's the
00:57:30
general statement that's out there and but like you said somebody going in there to monitor does that trigger
00:57:37
anything right eight months after he went missing the sheriff's department admitted publicly that All Leads had
00:57:47
been exhausted by that time and they were out of ideas but then yeah but I look I I applaud
00:57:55
law enforcement to do that I am I applaud for them to go look we had some leads we followed them they went nowhere
00:58:05
we need more leads we need more help yes I do and I think that that is sparked by
00:58:11
the possibilities because this is not a murder investigation this is a missing person's
00:58:17
investigation and the sheriff's department was very open saying look we have no evidence to lead us to the
00:58:25
conclusion that Logan is dead however we have no evidence to lead us to the conclusion that he is still alive right
00:58:34
so there is some hope if he's out there maybe he decided to leave maybe he said you know what I've had enough I don't
00:58:41
know who I am I'm looking I'm I'm trying to figure out who I am in this world his his family my roots are where
00:58:50
where I come from what are my roots he may have decided to to part with his personal belongings and his vehicle and
00:58:56
and take off it's it's certainly a possibility 13 months after he went missing this is at the end of June of
00:59:04
2017 another witness came forward they are actively looking for Logan this isn't one of those cases that just went
00:59:12
cold this was a case that they were pumping out information and looking for the Public's help they were posting his
00:59:19
picture and the sheriff's office phone number places looking for information and this is the result a possible lead
00:59:28
13 months later this witness came forward who believed she had information now I want to be clear here I'm taking
00:59:36
this with a grain of salt M for reasons that I'll get into but the family seized
00:59:43
on this information seeming to accept it at all face value as a legitimate sighting of Logan likely out of
00:59:52
desperation the Sheriff's Office received a tip from a woman who says she saw Logan's car on the freeway the day
01:00:00
that he went missing yeah that's key that's key right there we do not know per the statements released to the
01:00:08
public did this witness give us the actual date in her tip or just say I saw his car the day he went missing I would
01:00:18
like to know inquire further does she actually know the date of when she says that she saw this yeah
01:00:26
you want the truth but yeah so it's not clear and to take that a step further it's not even clear what that means the
01:00:34
day he went missing does that mean Thursday when Jenny last Saw Logan or Friday when his vehicle was
01:00:40
found the woman told deputies that the vehicle was sitting on the right shoulder of I5 southbound near Exit 95
01:00:49
when she was driving to work that day and the same vehicle was still there on her way home from
01:00:57
work but this time the hood was up and there was a black male standing at the rear of the vehicle and there were two
01:01:07
white males standing with him she described one of the men as white 6ot tall and very thin with thin blonde hair
01:01:17
styled in a bow cut he was wearing jeans that she described as way too short and
01:01:24
a tank top that was way too small the Sheriff's Office released a sketch of this man who is is he creepy looking
01:01:33
Captain uh duh pretty creepy looking I'll post this picture on our Instagram you can find our Instagram at True Crime
01:01:42
garage or go to the website trme garage.com I'm warning you though a as far as drawings
01:01:50
go this this looks like something like out of a horror movie to me I was thinking the undead I've seen online
01:01:58
people say that it looks like a little bit like Marilyn Manson yeah it's I'm just warning you it's like you're going
01:02:05
to see this it's something it almost looks like if you had a bad dream and you're like I
01:02:11
was fighting this guy and he was scary looking what did he look like this is what you would
01:02:17
draw so they law enforcement released this sketch of the creepy looking dude the other man was also white with
01:02:28
shoulder length blonde hair he was wearing a flannel shirt and jeans according to the witness but the witness
01:02:36
did not get a very good look at this second man with blonde hair so they've not released a sketch of this
01:02:45
other guy so here we go again with witness sightings of Logan that could turn the
01:02:52
whole case on its head if this this was Logan if this is true he was in the company of two men
01:03:01
whom police have not been able to find he's in the company of these two guys right before he goes missing right
01:03:09
and then if this eyewitness is true then the car after Logan was with these two individuals the car then moves after yes
01:03:20
well that's correct but but the uh according to the witness she saw this in the general area of where his vehicle
01:03:30
was eventually found but yes right given her description the vehicle moved at some point but I have to say captain
01:03:37
there's reason for I believe there's reason for us to doubt that this sighting was actually Logan one the
01:03:43
woman who supposedly saw him she's speeding by on the highway we've already talked about that 75,000
01:03:51
mph very hard to see anything at that rate of speed yeah she did not know Logan either right two this tip was reported
01:04:01
more than a year after Logan went missing so what convinced her in 13 months time that it was
01:04:09
Logan that she had passed on that day right three there is no indication whatsoever that Logan's car had any kind
01:04:19
of vehicle trouble that I could find when it was returned to the family I think that if had trouble like if it was
01:04:26
out of gas battery was dead it was inoperable for any reason at all I think that information would have been
01:04:34
released I think that information would have been stated outright yeah it's it's it's very tricky because if you're
01:04:43
going to approach a vehicle let's say you're just you're a bad person you're approaching a vehicle because you have
01:04:49
something to do with Logan going missing you could always pop the hood to make it
01:04:55
look like you're you know oh we're just taking care of this car on the side of the road no need to stop you know what I
01:05:01
mean so it could be some kind of ruse but I I know that's that's going out on a limb and here's the other thing we
01:05:08
talked about tagging the vehicle she says that when she initially passed it the vehicle on her way to work it was on
01:05:16
the right shoulder okay when she comes back from work now the hood is up so we talked
01:05:23
about the vehicle moving but if it was abandoned on the right shoulder hours before it was found you would think that
01:05:31
maybe somebody would have called it in or police would have come by and tag the vehicle that was never done as well not
01:05:39
to say that it has to happen but it didn't happen there is one man who was looked at as a possible suspect in
01:05:47
Logan's disappearance Mike wear remember this is the uncle that employed Logan at
01:05:54
his farm right said that Logan was not happy living at his grandmother's house after he returned from college this was
01:06:04
because while he was at College his sister Khloe her boyfriend moved in with his two kids this was a guy named Jake
01:06:13
and Jake and Logan did not really get along the extent of this depends on who you talk to Mike wear says that they
01:06:22
hated each other and there were fist fights between the two oh fist to cuffs Grandma Jenny says that the two weren't
01:06:30
friends but they just avoided each other and it was no big deal yeah but look if
01:06:35
you're if you're avoiding somebody you don't want that son of a [ __ ] to live with you well and Jake has a little bit
01:06:41
of a history as well he's been he does convicted on some domestic violence charges from the past pleading guilty to
01:06:49
felony assault in a previous relationship uh this is back from an incident in 2013 now does this Jake look
01:06:57
like somebody that would like come crawling out of your TV from a horror movie no no okay it seems at the very
01:07:06
least that he and Logan buted heads right at the very least if we're going to go by Jenny they didn't like each
01:07:13
other but they just avoided one another in October of 2016 Jake from all state was arrested for violating his
01:07:22
probation I threw in the All State part right the police used this as an opportunity to question him about
01:07:29
Logan's disappearance and they even polygraphed him at this time the reports are that he passed the poly Mike wear
01:07:38
the uncle who spent 37 years in law enforcement says he's publicly stated this I'm skeptical saying that you know
01:07:48
the polygraphs can be beaten or it could just be not administered correctly correct
01:07:54
and of course it's totally possible that Jake and Logan got into it on that Thursday after Jenny left for work
01:08:00
something happens to Logan and now we got a situation where we're moving a vehicle and leaving it
01:08:09
somewhere I I do want to point out something here though if Logan met with Foul Play the movement of the vehicle and
01:08:18
where the vehicle was found makes zero sense I get let's abandon the vehicle to make it look like something happened to
01:08:27
the young man right I also get hey let's let's abandon it on the side of the road
01:08:32
somewhere to make it look like maybe he broke down and he took off on foot and something happened to him then I get
01:08:38
that having it lodged up against the the center barricade and then have a witness
01:08:44
who says witnesses that say they saw the vehicle moving but no one driving the vehicle that doesn't make any sense to
01:08:52
me now but I could see we have all of Logan's items cell phone wallet drive around a little bit before
01:09:02
you abandoned the vehicle and like you said it's that 45 minute spot that he's at cuz like you said people go well he's
01:09:12
supposed to go to work or was going to work and we we just don't know what that 45
01:09:19
minute Gap was well and there's no shortage of theories in this case but there have been ones that I
01:09:31
think are are more plausible than others and this is put forward by the uh thirston County Sheriff's Office that
01:09:38
say that there's a possibility that Logan was experiencing some kind of psychotic break in 2016 sh Sergeant
01:09:46
Carla Carter of the thirston county sheriff's office said quote we're not sure what happened but there was some
01:09:53
indication perhaps of some mental health issues Logan was the age that schizophrenia and often manifest itself
01:10:03
an apparently latent mental illness can be spurred on by excessive marijuana use
01:10:10
in some people that's their statement If Logan was having a psychotic episode it
01:10:17
would explain his withdrawn and erratic Behavior his paranoia his Epiphany and his bizarre disappearance well and also
01:10:26
possibly would explain this eyewitness seeing a half- naked man if if he's going into some kind of psychosis or
01:10:34
psychotic break then you know it's very possible that that was Logan that somebody saw half
01:10:44
naked on the side of the road it just seems like we would have more eyewitnesses that also
01:10:51
saw this individual I mean other than the the thick Woods it doesn't seem like this is such
01:11:01
a a desolate place that we would not find Logan it it would be I think it's possible but yes it was it was
01:11:11
searched now we should point out though too that uh the same law enforcement agency says that another big theory that
01:11:20
they have is that Logan is in fact still out there he left on his own wanted a fresh start and that's a big reason why
01:11:28
they have been so transparent with the public with the information that they have and seeking The public's help in
01:11:36
finding and locating this young man we also have a situation though Captain where we know his phone records Logan's
01:11:46
phone has been thoroughly traced and tracked by law enforcement some of his last text were to his online friend or
01:11:56
online girlfriend they've not met in person so I think girlfriend's a bit of a strong label there I agree her name is
01:12:05
Carolina and he says to her in a text Logan says to Carolina I don't know if I'm going to
01:12:15
survive this week that's one of his last text to her this would be right around the same time maybe the day before he
01:12:22
says to Grandma I've had an epiphany something's going on with this young man right and I don't know if it's
01:12:31
identity crisis or just not liking where he's fitting in in this world at the time or what have you or it's a mental
01:12:38
break and and then you wouldn't know what's up and what's down right and this seems to me to be two situations for a
01:12:47
potential Cry for Help we also have text messages from Jenny the grandmother she
01:12:54
says she came home Logan's not there but the TV that would be in his bedroom was
01:12:59
out in the family room unplugged and nothing functionally wrong with the TV so much so we know this to be true
01:13:08
because she text him one trying to find him but two in these text that he's not responding to says is there something
01:13:17
wrong with your TV see that's weird cuz again you could it could be something so
01:13:24
simple as he was moving something around or going to take it to a friend's house
01:13:30
or or was he packing up I mean it's it's weird you could put this you could put so many different angles on this little
01:13:38
piece of information but I have seen stories right we talk earlier about the paranoia Grandma at least points out the
01:13:47
paranoia and a lot of people you just chalk that up to well he's smoking a lot of pot you know people have exper ER
01:13:53
that that's pretty common thing but was this paranoia was was this the start of some kind of
01:14:02
skitso you know episode i' I've seen situations I've read situations of people believing that they're being
01:14:10
listened to through electronics that are near them right I don't know if skitso I
01:14:16
don't know if that's a correct term it's definitely not a correct term um so I my
01:14:22
apologies but I have heard of situations where people think that that others are
01:14:27
listening to them was this get this TV away from me kind of kind of situation I I and the tough thing is we
01:14:35
only have Jenny talking about this we don't have anybody coming forward from his work saying hey I worked with Logan
01:14:43
and he seemed to be a little off we don't have really anybody from his school other than this quote unquote on
01:14:53
line girlfriend saying that he might not make it through the week I mean that's that's not a good sign what we do have
01:15:02
though is we do have those former friends that seem to agree with the idea that Jenny puts forward that the year
01:15:09
before the summer before Logan seems to be withdrawing from his group of friends
01:15:16
and of course he decides to change colleges at the last minute we have them agreeing with that but look that's not
01:15:24
that odd especially if you're a biracial kid regardless of your regardless of your race if somebody saying race racial
01:15:32
racist comments to me and my friends don't have my back I'm not their friends anymore or maybe they were never my
01:15:40
friends to begin with so I don't see that as a thing I think that what I see as a thing
01:15:47
here a very big problem in this case is I touched on this earlier this is not a close family there's some kind
01:15:58
of drama there's something strange with this family and I don't mean strange as in they're bad people there's something
01:16:05
I can't seem to identify because I don't have enough information but what I can say is that I've seen reports where
01:16:13
Jenny says that Logan saw his mother between the time that that he that she last saw
01:16:22
him and he went missing and I've seen reports where the mother says she hadn't seen him for a week before he went
01:16:28
missing right almost like they're covering something up there's no Unity inside this family right there's no
01:16:36
Unity there's not a united front of people coming forward and saying we know that a b c and d happened and then our
01:16:44
loved one disappeared and that is causing problems I believe in our understanding of the
01:16:51
case as well as the investigation Itself by law enforcement right it's just like
01:16:57
Jake the Snake Roberts the the the boyfriend with the two kids like what's his deal you'd think that the family
01:17:03
would be coming out again United oh look yeah he has some issues and stuff but he
01:17:09
he wanted to do something uh where it would cause Logan to disappear well Mike wear the uncle the great uncle who Logan
01:17:17
seems to have been close with he says it was to the point where the guys were getting into fist fights and then
01:17:23
grandma says Ah it was no big deal right that's two very different stories about
01:17:28
the same situation the other thing too is Bill her husband Jenny's husband there's like no mention of him in any of
01:17:37
the stories at all I I I don't I don't know why that is it could be very simple that he's not at home very often or he
01:17:47
he is a non-factor in the story but it seems like someone that he lived with there would be something further to that
01:17:55
story and then what's very bizarre to me and I don't want to sound like I'm attacking a victim because as far as I
01:18:03
know Jenny is a victim the family members are victims here in this case as well but discovering I'm all for what
01:18:11
she did going down to the uh police department or the Sheriff's Office and filing the report in person I always
01:18:18
think is a hundred times greater than doing it over the phone however when she got there and there was no one there
01:18:26
there was no haste on her behalf there was no energy put forward other than you know what this can wait till Monday this
01:18:35
can wait two more days you could have called 911 or what I think would have made even
01:18:42
more sense you could have called your relative Mike wear who worked for that Sheriff's Office for 37 years he could
01:18:51
have made a phone call he could have clud you in onto what to do there seems to be some kind of Disconnect here in
01:18:58
this family that makes me very confused about the whole situation and trying to identify what happened to this young man
01:19:11
did he leave on his own did something happen to him how far outside of his inner circle do we need to be looking
01:19:19
for what could have happened to this young man well again a kid a young man goodlooking young man
01:19:27
Logan smart hardworking yeah maybe is struggling with some identity stuff or or maybe just struggling with where he
01:19:36
wants to go in life that doesn't mean that there was a mental break I don't know if there's enough evidence to show
01:19:42
that he was having some mental break yes is that part of the equation you have to
01:19:48
look at of course should we be talking more about mental health issues of course it's just strange to me and like
01:19:57
we were talking before it's almost like you're looking for him but you're not really looking for him and it's like you
01:20:05
call family members you call people that he worked for why wasn't that done why why was there if there seems to be a a
01:20:14
lack of daal effort on some levels and other levels it seems like you again I got you have to applaud the person
01:20:23
that is spearheading the investigation as far as the family or friend level because you have to have that spearhead
01:20:30
that's going into law enforcement going we need action we need something done yeah I do want to be very clear here on
01:20:37
my thoughts and feelings because I believe that overall the family's commitment to finding Logan has been
01:20:45
admirable the family was forced to take matters in their own hands at one point we did have the Sheriff's Office saying
01:20:51
we've run out of leads we've run out of ideas and so the family started the Logan schindelman is missing Facebook
01:20:59
page which has over 13,000 members today this to spread the word of his disappearance they did hire a private
01:21:07
investigator they created a reward fund that has been I believe it's $10,000 they created this reward fund
01:21:15
through yard sales of their own and making commemorative bracelets that they sold to the public to raise this money
01:21:25
and some of them have even pestered local TV news channels for coverage on the case one thing that I do find to be
01:21:34
very interesting and I said something just a few minutes ago Captain how far outside of Logan's Inner Circle should
01:21:42
we be looking for answers as to what happened to this young man I found this to be fascinating in February of
01:21:50
2017 the family Logan's family sent letters to 37 homeowners in the case Road area this is near where the vehicle
01:22:01
Logan's vehicle was found asking them simply to please check their yards their properties these people have acres of
01:22:10
land 37 homeowners property owners who have acreage please check your acreage for anything suspicious any suspicious
01:22:21
objects or any possible signs of Logan I feel like the answers I I don't know where in fact
01:22:29
they lie but I think that we've we've said where the answers could be found we just need some somebody to come forward
01:22:38
and fill in the blank blanks with some more information here now the case has been assigned to detective Frank frolly
01:22:47
and the family feels confident that the case is being worked by some someone who
01:22:53
cares someone who wants to find Logan as badly as they do if you or anyone else has any information please call the
01:23:04
thirston county sheriff's office at 360 78655 and we will have that phone number
01:23:14
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