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philippoff who disappeared from Victoria British Columbia she was aged 26 she disappeared November 28th
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2012 so we have a missing woman here Captain right and some say she had been acting strange and it also appears that
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maybe she might have been planning something on the day that she went missing maybe a move or a travel off
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somewhere we don't know I'm wondering we talked about this we wondered if the van
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was operational that she had that was towed away that morning and we believe it was operational but maybe not to have
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the ability to travel long distances yeah because it it could have just been need in need of
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repair um we in this van okay after she disappeared they figured out that there were some items some personal belongings
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of hers that were found in her red Mazda MPV you want me to read those off yeah read off your belongings or her
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belongings so it was a red Mazda what it was a MPV it was a 93 so for those of you that don't know an MPV is actually a
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very cool van I've always wanted one it's it looks like a traditional uh minivan but the cool thing about the MPV
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it's an actual uh all-wheel drive vehicle it's a four-wheel drive so in the vehicle they found a passport a
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library card a digital camera some clothes uh pillow a laptop and recently uh checked out books from the library
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yeah she frequented the library there were books that she had checked out and they also found uh several of her
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journals now we had talked about her movements on the 28th on the day that she went missing and we we know that she
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went to the 7-Eleven twice right and on one occasion she picked up a prepaid credit card and on another occasion she
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came back and picked up a prepaid cell phone now what are the leads in this case right where do we go from the point
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where she disappeared so one would want to track either that cell phone or that prepaid credit card right MH so we have
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the prepaid credit card it was tracked down uh they found out that it was being used by man he used it to purchase
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cigarettes he purchased cigarettes with the card the man was located he was questioned fingerprinted and even
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polygraphed uh his claim is that he found the card in the street uh this was about I believe 10 kilomet from where
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Emma had talked to police where she was last it was around the hotel I believe mhm and uh he had used it he said he'd
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found it in the street and because they questioned him thoroughly and they gave him the polygraph they believe him to be
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totally honest about how he came about finding this credit card or prepaid card yeah this individual also contacted
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Shelly and shell is Emma's mother shell runs uh a Facebook group on I don't know
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if she runs it but she's very involved finding Emma uh Facebook group you might want to check that out but he contacted
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her basically saying like I I told the police what I believe but I'm an alcoholic and I could have blacked out
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and I'm not 100% sure where I found this item at he could have found it somebody
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could have gave it to him he could have bought it off of somebody sometimes that
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happens well he even said that he could have got it from her he doesn't know that's interesting um and well here's
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the thing with the polygraph though right it's it if if he's telling you what he thinks happened it's he's going
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to pass the polygraph I mean if he if he just has no freaking idea how he got the
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thing you can't catch him in a lie he just doesn't know right uh we don't know what questions were administered during
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that test and uh but for whatever reason I mean it's probably started off where where did you find the credit card yeah
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yeah that probably one of the questions but uh for whatever reason the authorities believe him to be as honest
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as he could be about how he came about finding the card now regarding the prepaid cell phone uh this cell phone
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has not been located but according to the company uh the phone has never been activated or used right um so that that
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lead kind of Di but I think what it's coming I think where you're going with this though is
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that it seems to me that she was planning to leave based on getting the uh prepaid prepaid credit card and
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getting the cell phone one thing that I would ask uh well I was going to say ask
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myself but uh I would go ahead ask yourself we'll wait we'll all wait I would ask anybody involved in this case
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why why do you need a prepaid credit card when when she has a debit card that has access to just under $33,000 is
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there is there something that you can't purchase using a debit card that you need to purchase with a prepaid credit
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card or is it just for the fact of you don't want that purchase to linked to you right you know because you don't
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have to give a name when you buy a prepaid credit card you just you just have this set amount that you can spend
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on whatever that's an interesting point you know I'd always wondered about that now you touched on uh you talked about
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Emma's mother shell now we should point out that her mother stayed in the city of Victoria and again this is very far
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from shelle's home she stayed there this is across the country yeah it's it's a 45 minute drive I don't know how long it
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takes to fly there 45 minute drive a 45h hour drive sorry it's across the country
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it's part two it's a little Loosey Goosey right now it's very late in the garage but anyway Victoria uh is where
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she was staying and this is far from her home home you know she had pets and more
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importantly she had other children to look after some of these are older kids um but she stayed there to look for Emma
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and to help create awareness regarding Emma's disappearance yeah so originally her plan was that she was going to stay
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for possibly 3 days that was her original plan I'm going to I'm going to get my plane ticket head out there I'm
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going to bring my daughter home or at least see what's going on with her because she's been calling me over and
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over so she gets out there mhm can't find her they do the missing uh person report and she figured well I'm
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just going to stay here for these three days and she's going to turn up after those 3 days she doesn't turn up and so
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she says well I'm going to stay a week and she figured I will be able to find her within a week doesn't find her
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within a week I believe she end she ends up staying in that hotel for close to 3
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months yeah it was it was right around the two Monon or over two Monon Mark um now now but you like you had said she
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believes she's going to find her daughter obviously uh for several reasons one the authorities tell her you
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know given her age uh she might just be out with friends she might just be you know she's in her mid 20s she might just
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be out partying somewhere she may have uh tied one on and not come home you know or not checked into the shelter uh
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the other thing to think about here too is she was living somewhat of a transient lifestyle you know she was
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staying on on a house boat or boats I don't know how big these boats were if you could even call them a house boat
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but she was staying on boats asked the captain she had she had stayed at friends homes she had stayed in the
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shelter and for all we know she may have even slept a night or two in her van um
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and the tree tree yeah so she's living a transient lifestyle she could turn up any day and that's really what her
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mother expected to happen but did not happen and she ends up staying there for just over two months um and you know
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this is a sticky situation right you know you want to stay there obviously and look for your child you want to stay
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and do anything you can but you also have all these responsibilities at home and you have others that need you at
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home and it's just truly a terrible terrible situation yeah but this is your daughter you're going to do anything
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that you can right I think I think that's a a given any good mother would and I think she was doing you know as
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much as she could which I think you know God bless her on that and I think you have to remain
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hopeful but I also think that the cops were not only do we think that maybe she could have just like went and hung out
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with some friends and she'll turn up but most of the cops don't believe that there was foul play at this point right
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they're thinking that you know she either is hanging out with somebody or she's she went missing on her own uh
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terms mhm and we talked about uh the documentary that had come out uh finding Emma and we should point out that that
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came about because of her mother Shelly right she got in contact with somebody at the CBC and explained her daughter's
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story to them and they decided to cover it in this documentary and it was because of this documentary finding Emma
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that uh it created great awareness for the case you know it sent everybody everybody looking for Emma and this
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creates some leads at first uh and and the first one that it comes up with is a Emma filipof sighting uh this was
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somebody that had seen what he or she believed was Emma philipov yeah it was in a coffee shop yeah and this have you
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seen this picture this was yes I have and this was in nearby Vancouver yeah but right Vancouver which has a huge
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homeless population but when you saw this picture what did you think uh I thought the same thing that a lot of
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people thought it it I mean it looks just like her well yeah and it's and it's actually to the point where not
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even to the point where you say it looks just like her it's it is her you know what I mean uh and actually and that's
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exactly what occurred you know and and not only that Captain it's in a nearby proximity to where she went missing
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Victoria is very close to the big big city of Vancouver as you said there is uh there is a homeless population there
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it so there are people large living a transient lifestyle um you know and I believe I'm not call that the ultimate
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transient lifestyle here's the other thing though I I'm not certain but I believe that Vancouver is like the Las
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Vegas of Canada not not with the gambling but you know how like Las Vegas is considered
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no I don't know about that but but Las Vegas is considered like the the culinary uh capital of the United States
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you know there's every expensive restaurant you can think of is in Las Vegas and her having been a chef was
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interesting to me that that she might find her way to Vancouver where where you could earn a good living doing that
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kind of that profession um and as you but but here's the thing too it looks exactly like her everybody thinks that
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it's Emma but not only that it's it's of a woman seen in a cof shop M she was known to have visited coffee
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shops well that's not that far of a stretch everybody visits coffee shops yeah but I don't stay at a coffee shop I
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I get in the aisle I purchase something and then I leave but what I'm what I'm getting you're not as cool as everybody
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qu quit sighing because what I'm getting at here is that Emma was known to have sat in coffee shops and and write in her
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journal and and and stay there for a period of time the person that said that they had seen her and
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and they said that she was in the coffee shop writing yeah this sounds this looks
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like Emma I think in the picture she's reading but I'm not 100% yeah it but but so it looks like her looks like her and
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it's describing actions that she was known to have done right so here we go it's her we solved it we found her but
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then here comes the wrinkle well well before the wrinkle the Philip officer shown the the picture and they say like
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you said it's over the case is over we found our daughter right now give us the wrinkle well then the boyfriend of this
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girl contacts the authorities and says this is not Emma this is my girlfriend and that's basically it yeah but they
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they ultimately locate the girl and know that well maybe it's not the boyfriend I
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might have screwed that up you did screw it up a little bit Yeah they end up locating the girl and they talk to her
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well no she came forward that's what it was and I watched a lot of stuff on this
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man and it's not her unfortunately it's not Emma um it's just somebody else that
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that's cooler than me that sits in coffee shops and journals um but the next lead is of well okay this can only
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be described there's a few different names for this next lead some people call it the missing poster man some
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people call it the green shirt man I call it the green shirt man you call it the green shirt man I call it the weird
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dude man uh this again is taking place in nearby Vancouver this is about 6 months after Emma had disappeared a man
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of course wearing a green shirt and jeans enters a small store yeah kind of Boutique type store
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yeah and he had he had removed a missing person's poster of Emma right and he's got it kind of like wound up or crumpled
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up in his hand you can see it in still pictures right I don't think they saw him remove the the the poster he just
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had a crumpled up poster in his hand and he pretty rudely told the clerk that the
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picture was of his girlfriend and that she was not missing and that she just wants to be left alone that's the story
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that I get confused with the coffee shop girl yeah and he and he's very rude about this right and uh here's the
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thing the man the the weird missing poster green shirt man dude he's not been located you know the the
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authorities want to speak to this man well let's go a little further cuz I might have some information that you
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didn't find fantastic so there was um with this finding Emma Facebook page again if you have any any information go
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check that out but on their page they were posting pictures of Emma or just posting different posts so this bar from
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Vancouver liked one of the things and it was talking about the the post was about
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the green shirt man we're trying to find this guy and it was like a like and maybe this bar so the bar joined the
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group lik this post and at some point said like well look at that or something like the comment was look at here or
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something like that and so meaning go ahead well I don't know what it means so did they post a picture like are they
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are we supposed to look for something in the picture they're just posting a comment yeah they're just so so the
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Facebook group posted a picture of the green shrip man right on that picture that this bar
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liked it and then made some weird comment well if you go to the Facebook page of this bar and you start sifting
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through their pictures guess who's sitting at the bar the green shirt man in a green shirt I don't think he's in a
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green shirt but but a guy matching the description of the green shirt man right and so I I believe um and this is what
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is been so great about uh the Facebook group uh they're not just sharing stuff on social media they're actually going
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out and hitting the pavement and trying to follow these leads and really helping
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out uh Shelly and the Philip off family so uh Big Ups to you guys on the Facebook group so I believe they went
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out to the bar and asked questions and they but they couldn't locate the guy but it's still a little odd MH yeah and
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the the store clerk uh from from the convenience store we were talking about he is the one that notifies the police
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after this encounter after he's on the wrong end of this rude verbal display by the green shirt man uh he notifies the
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authorities and they did have video footage of it like you said there are some still pictures as well green shirt
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man they could should have called him the mean shirt man and uh you know this guy has this is somebody that they
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obviously want to talk to this is a man that has not come forward talk to him and which is you know which is very
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troubling yeah it's just such an odd comment this is my girlfriend and she's missing again the only thing that I
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again maybe there's some weird mental thing going on with this guy maybe he's an alcoholic and he's just saying some
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weird stuff just to say weird stuff um there's a I want to know what his intentions are for saying this comment
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oh no exactly and that's that's what everybody wants to know that's the million-dollar question and the the
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interesting thing here too for me is that you know when we talk about these different cases whether it be uh
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disappearance or a murder or anything like that we have these weird hearsay incidences from time to time MH the
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difference here is this is captured his picture and image has been captured by the the you know we can see it on the
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footage from the convenience store so we know this is not just some store clerk calling in saying this happened and we
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have to go off of what they're saying we we can see it with our own we know this
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happened we know they want to talk to this guy but we don't know who he is what are our other leads on this case
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here Captain I mean we we talked about some some small leads right we talked about the cell phone the the credit card
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the uh the green mean shirt man uh the the spotting of what we originally thought was Emma and turns out not to be
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her these are all these are all short stories right we have a couple of long stories I think that are are are
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potential leads in this case what do you want to dive into her friend Julian again yeah we well we we should you know
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um yeah let's let's kick it off there okay so again like we talked about in part
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one we we have this guy Julian that becomes friends um new friends with Emma and then she left and Perth they become
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friends in Perth Ontario right which is on one side of the country country all of the sudden now Julian is in um
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Victoria and this is very odd because what are the chances that you strike up this relationship with this girl the
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relationship is then severed and then a couple months later you end up in Victoria and he runs into Emma and and
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we have to point out here uh Julian by his own words states that he had no prior knowledge of where Emma was
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planning to move to he had no prior knowledge he he says he believed that she planned to move out west somewhere
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somewhere yeah um but you know that's a 45h hour drive between Perth and where she ends up so there's a lot of places
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west of Perth right uh he he knows that she plans on moving out west and he happens to pick the same city yeah and
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and he did it interview with the nighttime podcast our our buddy Jordan um did that interview with him you got
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to check that that out nighttime podcast and it's I think the third part right yeah and you want to he goes into more
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detail and he explains how he decided to pick uh Victoria but but he's also honest like I had a good relationship
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with this girl even though it was severed uh I had a you know a fascination with her she was a positive
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person in my life I kind of wanted her to stay in my life so yeah I hope I would see her again so he's working and
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one day he catches this girl uh you know her eyes and it's Emma and they talk for
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a minute and he's at work and he's on lunch break and she says oh well you know uh it was good
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running into you we'll have to catch up and she's asking about his work schedule
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and and stuff like that yeah he says that she is pleasantly surprised surprised by his Yeah by seeing him yeah
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and maybe you know and maybe she's one of those people that believe okay some time passed and and maybe she believes
00:27:07
that the Universe uh gives you certain things that you need and and sometimes the universe points you into the right
00:27:14
direction so anyways they that's at lunchtime he says to her and and I applaud him being being
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a gentleman hey do you want to come back later and we'll C up and take you out to
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eat and she says to him well you know I don't like to plan things out that far in advance now I believe she was just
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saying that as a you know a nice way to say no uh but then he runs into her a couple more times now and he says you
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know we we can only go off of his story you know there's two sides to the story we only get to hear one well there's
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three but and uh the one side that we get to hear is his and he says that I did I did not try to to ask her for a
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number or you know where I could find her I I told her where I worked because it was just you know a couple doors down
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from where they bumped into one another well and I think she asked like what are
00:28:10
you doing here I'm working yeah and he he he tells her and you know that if you ever want to hang out or if you ever
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want to catch up with me you know where I work just drop in and and ask for me yeah and sometimes I think I think
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that's the best approach that you can have I mean you You' had situations where maybe you're pushing the issue to
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have this friendship maybe too much and so I think he was doing the right thing there where he's like okay I still am
00:28:37
infatuated with this girl I still enjoy hanging out with her you know he I mean I think he made the comment that these
00:28:43
10 minutes that they talked were like some of the T 10 best minutes of his life but I mean who knows it could just
00:28:51
be great conversation and that's something that I love what go ahead but what I mean but whether he's still
00:29:01
infatuated with it or not it might be a great 10 minutes for him because he's in
00:29:04
a new place maybe he doesn't know anybody yet and he sees a familiar person and not only that somebody that
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he considered to be a very good friend that he obviously wanted to be long-term friends with right and so then he he
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claims that he runs into her a couple more times but the next time he runs into her she's definitely something's
00:29:24
off she's not pleasantly surprised to see him the second time yeah but and it but it's like weird
00:29:30
because it's and I don't want to go into too many details because there's so much
00:29:34
stuff in that interview that you need to check out but basically the the the short end of the the stick is that he
00:29:41
ran into her a couple more times and there was some kind of a friendship that that went on now what he told Jordan in
00:29:49
the interview which he never even told authorities was he saw her the day of November 28th MH and he saw her from
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across the street and she had no shoes on and you know just like her other acquaintance said and he thought
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something was up but again he didn't want to push the issue cuz he's done that before so he just makes the
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statement to her hey if you ever want to hang out sometime and he and he kind of
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talks to her and he leaves now what where we go from here is that we know that Emma went missing well
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then Julian gets involved in the group now at some point um he at some point Julian sends Facebook
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messages to Emma's father uh and then I think eventually sends Facebook messages
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to Emma's mother but Julian gets involved in the search well and even before that he had sent a Facebook
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message to her father because there was a concert in Victoria that he wanted to go to right right and he was going to go
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this wasn't something like he saw Emma and he was like oh I'm going to go to this concert this was a concert he
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really wanted to go to and he thought oh I have somebody here that I know I could
00:31:00
invite her and I think according to him he says in the Facebook message to her Father James you know if if she gets in
00:31:09
contact with you or if you can get in contact with her let her know I'm going to this concert I have an extra ticket
00:31:15
and she could just drop by my store right uh he works at like some kind of Outdoor Store I don't know exactly what
00:31:21
that means but um yeah I was trying to sum it up quick because like it's it's a long interview and there's a lot of
00:31:27
details and so if you really want to dive in that check out the nighttime podcast but so there's some weird stuff
00:31:33
and and and one of the Facebook messages he he says that he was stalking now this
00:31:39
is coming from a guy that is French so some of his the choice of words that he uses are sometimes off right so it's
00:31:47
interesting that he saw her the day she went missing and then he gets a part of this group well then this is where it
00:31:53
gets weird is because now people are going this this guy's gestures there's some creepy stuff about it mhm and I
00:32:00
think he's well aware of that too and and I think most guys have been in a situation where maybe you're a little
00:32:06
too infatuated with somebody and you do some things that are borderline creepy maybe borderline stalker but you don't
00:32:15
see it at the time you just see I like this girl I'm a nice guy you you know what I mean like oh yeah yeah he checks
00:32:23
all those boxes yes yes yes yes yes yes he checks all so then as they can't find Emma well he becomes
00:32:30
a suspect and he he then since removes himself from the group and has not really helped much in in the search
00:32:39
anymore uh but Law Enforcement wants to talk to him so they bring them in and he
00:32:43
figures that they're going to question him about The Disappearance of Emma but how does he get involved in the search
00:32:50
right he he bumps into her mother yeah but right no but he actually hears from one of his friends that Emma's missing
00:32:59
right so so that's because it's national news at this point so he inserts himself
00:33:05
in the the search but I guess you would too I mean first of all this girl is from Perth where you're from and now
00:33:13
she's in Victoria where you're at now and she went missing and you don't have any friends here or a small group of
00:33:20
friends if you have any and so you insert yourself in this search because this is a good person that you admire
00:33:26
that you had some fascination with and you're going to try to uh help any way you can I agree with all that but what
00:33:33
I'm saying is he doesn't like walk into a police station and say hey I knew her from Perth and I've seen her here a
00:33:41
couple times how can I help no he bumps into her mother at a library um the library that uh that Emma was known to
00:33:52
have gone to from time to time and was he going there to help and look for Emma we don't know was he going there to look
00:33:59
for Emma's mother and then insert himself into the the search or the investigation right we don't know his is
00:34:08
hiss yeah we don't know what his agenda was and and maybe he thought simply I I I'll help I'm going to help them find
00:34:15
her and then uh brownie points for me you know so I can get closer to Emma look I don't know and some of the stuff
00:34:23
he did was a little weird and like I said it borders creepy bord stalker some of it it's like he's putting his toe
00:34:30
over the line and kind of dancing but anyways the they give him a lie detector right and he passes the
00:34:38
polygraph and he even states in the interview that I didn't think they were going to talk about murder they were
00:34:44
going to talk about her disappearance MH and so when they started asking questions about you know did you murder
00:34:51
Emma he just I think he could just kind of shut down altogether again and that said once the
00:34:59
finding Emma documentary came out he then went and had a conversation with Jordan our buddy uh doing a podcast and
00:35:08
I feel like if he had something to hide that he wouldn't do an interview right and it's a long interview and what
00:35:16
Jordan said was I contacted him I talked to him for about an hour on the phone he
00:35:20
didn't want to do the interview and eventually just called back and said I'll do it cuz he wanted to clear his
00:35:26
name so not only did he take the polygraph but he also did this interview uh on the nighttime podcast and and he
00:35:34
was in the uh documentary as well yeah yeah he's in in uh and that's the thing he did some on camera interviews for the
00:35:42
documentry uh so he seems to be helpful um and I know that here's the reason why
00:35:50
the nighttime podcast interview is a must listen uh because it's a lengthy interview it's extremely interesting
00:35:59
very well produced but here's the other thing right there are a lot of things that he says in there uh you know not
00:36:06
our friend Jordan obviously Jillian the the the suspect there are a lot of things that Jillian says in there that
00:36:12
makes him sound very guilty there are things in there that he says that make him sound very
00:36:18
innocent uh and there's there's a portion in there too I can't remember if it was right at the end or near the end
00:36:25
of the interview but it sounds like he is he's breaking down a little bit like he's getting choked up emotionally he's
00:36:35
the emotions are coming out and and and and I mean in a way of somebody that is truly hurt by The Disappearance of this
00:36:45
woman well not only is he probably hurt that she disappeared but he's also hurt that he's being after this documentary
00:36:53
came out you know even though he he was qu operative he passed these tests people are still pointing the finger at
00:37:01
this guy and I think that really bothered him cuz he's just like and it also bothers him too I mean think about
00:37:06
this way people go oh well you were her acquaintance well you I guess in definition he was an
00:37:16
acquaintance because they were only friends for a little bit of time but they they were building a friendship and
00:37:22
and a friendship has to start somewhere and he considered her a friend he considered somebody that's uh positive
00:37:28
in his life and I think it's sad but and and yeah you can see some creepy stuff in his interview but at the same time
00:37:36
he's opening himself up and he's allowing himself to be vulnerable and he didn't have to do that and and I commend
00:37:43
him for doing such and I think uh I think it cleared up a lot of stuff in my mind because as you start diving into
00:37:50
the case you start going well maybe this you know quote unquote stalker guy and we only call him a stalker and most
00:37:58
people only call him a stalker because in one of the EMA emails to the father he used the word stalker well and that's
00:38:05
how he's been labeled by others by the general public he's we're not we don't mean to label him that it's just but law
00:38:11
enforcement does not label him as a stalker and yeah and they they don't know if he's even involved in anything I
00:38:19
I don't think he is um I I think okay that's fine little misunderstood I'm with you on that I
00:38:28
think he's misunderstood I think I don't understand him that's for sure and uh yeah but he doesn't come off as there
00:38:36
there there is some Sweetness in in his tone and his agree with that 100% but the thing that I keep kind of
00:38:45
going back to here is on a scale of 1 to 10 how weird is it that he ends that he
00:38:52
goes from Perth to Victoria MH and and she's in Victoria I mean come on on a scale of 1 to 10 that's at least a nine
00:39:01
right that's very close to a 10 I wonder sometimes if it's just maybe he heard conversation and passing so when he was
00:39:09
picking he was like oh yeah well this Victoria checks off all these things on my list he had some reasons for going
00:39:15
there you're exactly right yeah well he had tons of reasons and and his current employer when he was in Perth was had
00:39:23
people that had rentals out there so it was like okay well now I know where I can get housing he had a lead on a job
00:39:31
and but I think there was something in his back of his head that like maybe this comment that Emma made where if she
00:39:37
was going to go out west it would be one of these cities MH and I I think he knew
00:39:43
that on some level and was just hopeful I don't think look I mean it's a very difficult
00:39:49
thing when you find somebody and you really enjoy their company you really enjoy looking at them it's a I mean
00:39:56
that's a big risk you got to open it yourself up to them and and try to and you have the fear of being rejected so I
00:40:04
don't know I mean there there's parts to me that there's Parts when I'm listening
00:40:09
to that interview that I just feel bad for him oh definitely yeah I definitely feel bad for him on on some level but
00:40:16
you know okay here's another weird thing too right uh Shelly Emma's mom states that you know they paid the parents paid
00:40:25
for Emma's flight to get her to Victoria however beforehand she was so ready to go that Emma had purchased a
00:40:36
bus ticket to ride out there and Shelly believes that that Emma would have walked around with this bus ticket in
00:40:46
her back pocket and that that somebody that knew her may have been able to see that bus ticket whether she had told
00:40:53
anybody exactly where she was going or not right well Emma and excuse me Emma and Julian were
00:40:59
constantly taking walks together so again who knows I mean he he could have seen something MH but I again I don't
00:41:06
think that makes him uh responsible for her disappearance circling back to Shelly
00:41:14
philipov so you know we said that she had worked very hard to find her daughter that's not in dispute here uh
00:41:20
she put up posters she went out on the streets she was showing people pictures of her daughter she was asking strangers
00:41:28
and showing pictures to strangers of her daughter and asking them if have they seen her do they know her well she went
00:41:35
on a a podcast that wasn't famous yeah and I mean she was doing some crazy stuff and like I said I believe she was
00:41:42
a big part in spearheading the idea for the documentary getting that out on the CBC which made this a national case it
00:41:52
brought national attention to Emma's case um there there is a but there's a weird wrinkle here too right Captain
00:42:00
there's the a drug charge yeah we we see a drug charge re against Shelly MH and this is a what a result of her son that
00:42:12
that her son is living with her or staying from time to time and they find drugs and guns in the house yeah what I
00:42:22
heard um was that he was into real estate he had four properties I believe at the time and instead of living in one
00:42:31
he decided that he was going to leave all of them so he was going to he put all of them on the market then he took
00:42:37
pretty much all his belongings and then put them in his mother's house so again totally reasonable that you would go in
00:42:44
and out of your parents house because you have things in storage I think everybody's been at that point in their
00:42:49
life where maybe they're going from apartment to house and there's this uh overlap so all his belongings are there
00:42:57
and whatever criminal activities he was involved in the law enforcement were following him for a long time and
00:43:04
eventually uh they charged him with drug charges so the majority of the charges are going to him but because this stuff
00:43:13
was also found in her house you know she's getting charges it's her address it's her house he's not
00:43:20
technically living there or receiving mail there um so she looks Guilty by Association basically uh and most people
00:43:29
would not talk about the charges because it's an open case she's been pretty uh forthcoming about her explanation of
00:43:36
this you can hear that uh with Jordan as well yeah and and and actually she in my
00:43:43
opinion one stands up very well for herself but she's also not making any excuses for her son no uh and you know I
00:43:51
know she loves her son very much and still does and always will um but but again she not making any excuses for him
00:43:58
she's not saying whether he's guilty or not but but uh she's saying there was something going on there well I talked
00:44:04
to a detective today about this too I was just going over the case and seeing if if I just missed anything that was
00:44:10
pretty obvious and when he was when I brought up these Dr drug charges and I explained her explanation he said that
00:44:18
that's very logical to me so uh he he was on the side of she's probably not going to eventually they're probably not
00:44:26
going to go through with the charges or if she is charged with them she's probably not going to be found guilty of
00:44:31
them in all likelihood they're using that as leverage if they need to get more information right they're going to
00:44:38
threaten the mother the owner of the home yeah which sucks because she's she's not going to want to turn on her
00:44:44
son it's a bit of a process though and it's part of the process and if they need more information on the son they
00:44:51
might have to threaten jail time to the mother to get that needed information because you know know they're probably
00:44:57
they're probably going after a bigger fish right yeah and yeah so they'll lean on Shelly then lean on the sun and then
00:45:06
keep leaning until they get bigger and bigger people um the first thing I thought though when I saw these charges
00:45:12
brought up was does this make Emma's actions on the surveillance cameras make sense cuz it constantly
00:45:20
looks like she's looking at you know like looking for somebody or she's maybe afraid of somebody
00:45:26
but I I don't think so I think these charges have nothing to do with the case I think it's just one of those weird
00:45:33
things when you have a missing person case there's normally so little information of the events after you know
00:45:42
a little bit before and then basically all you have to go off of is Early Childhood Events maybe some Journal
00:45:50
writings maybe some pictures you found that aren't uh developed and then it's just all this
00:45:56
Randomness so I think because it was such big news in Canada that once these charges came out it just it was like oh
00:46:05
now the story gets juicier but I believe that these charges have nothing to do with Emma's disappearance at all yeah
00:46:12
and you know what's funny is the thing that that resonates with me the thing that I keep keeps ringing in my ears you
00:46:20
know we had we had a friend of ours A friend of the show Once tell us what you don't get two coincidences in in a
00:46:29
disappearance James R or a murder case you just in a in a an unsolved crime there's not two
00:46:35
coincidences as a result of one person being involved and we have this weird situation here where we have two
00:46:42
coincidences with two separate people we have it with the mother Shelly you know
00:46:47
she's on the phone with her daughter can I come home yes you can come home can you come out here and help me yes I can
00:46:54
come out here and help you oh I'm told and turned away and told not to come out there but I come out on my own anyway
00:47:01
and her daughter investigates a ride to the airport the same evening these are these
00:47:06
are double coincidences that are weird and then second of all we have the situation with Jillian who were they
00:47:12
were friends in Perth and he happens to land in the same spot that she landed and he happens to bump into her and he
00:47:20
believes he sees her on the last day that she has yeah well the the whole Emma going to the airport and the Mom
00:47:28
heading out that way is a coincidence but it's also a coincidence that she the day that she goes out there that she is
00:47:35
report you know she's last seen 3 hours before she gets there that's a coincidence too you know you go out
00:47:42
there to to help her and she's gone you know um but yeah it's just I mean it's such a riddle of a case
00:47:52
and we should also mention that in the area that she she went missing from you know there was that hotel that we talked
00:47:58
about but there was also a bridge and there was also um I think a Arbor going through there MH so here's the thing
00:48:06
though we have two people that are close to her let's say right uh well one's a mom one's a a friend oh yeah and two
00:48:16
people that are close to her that you could they are close to the case are they suspects uh you could make an argument
00:48:24
that they are I I don't I don't see it at the end of the day I i' no well I think first of all until she's found
00:48:32
everybody's a suspect still everybody's a suspect but I also see that maybe in this situation you do get two
00:48:38
coincidences and and maybe maybe yeah maybe you do and that's one of the things that makes it such a fascinating
00:48:44
case but you but it makes one Wonder too okay she looked to Emma looked to have been planning something she's making
00:48:53
preparations for something right okay so she this is what's weird obviously the the prepaid cell phone is weird the
00:49:00
prepaid credit card is weird when she already has a debit card is she running from someone is she or is she just
00:49:08
running because that's her nature is she running from because she thinks her mother's coming to town right is she
00:49:14
running because she's bumping into this Jillian guy that he that she doesn't want to see that that's a reminder of
00:49:20
Perth and maybe she doesn't want a reminder of Perth right uh is she trying to get away and also create no link to
00:49:28
where she ends up uh we do know that both those items were not used by her so that seems like a dead end right that
00:49:36
seems like maybe she you know if she took off she didn't use those preparations yeah you well and she
00:49:41
didn't use her credit card I mean not her credit card but her bank accounts weren't touched either so you don't you
00:49:47
don't take any of your possessions these these things that you are preparing for some reason this the
00:49:54
card the phone they're gone they're not used and I don't think I I don't know to me
00:50:04
if she did run away I I don't think she ran away with a right mind no no and and you we'll we'll go
00:50:14
down that Avenue here in just a second but one thing I want to talk about real quick
00:50:18
is I think that a big solution to this problem is we need to the the reason why it's so difficult to figure out her
00:50:27
disappearance is because we don't know what her intentions were that day we don't know if she was planning something
00:50:34
or not and I I think the way to figure that out the answer to that for me is the van right she the the van is towed
00:50:44
and and we are told that she's a very she's a very private person we're told this by not not just one person we're
00:50:52
told this by many people right that she seems to be a very private person she keeps her thoughts to herself her mother
00:50:58
says so her her father says and it's almost like with these journals that she writes poetically so maybe she's the
00:51:04
only one that understands them or maybe it's encrypted like you said that maybe she's the only one that gets it and the
00:51:11
thing that that's driving me mad here is that she left those journals behind she
00:51:16
left those in the van in somebody else's control and the thing is we know a lot about her movements that day but the
00:51:23
thing that I failed to see time and time again in her movements that day there seems to be no action towards retrieving
00:51:31
that van or her belongings that are in the van which seems very strange to me of a very private person now this might
00:51:38
Point towards what you're talking about a mental break right you know and we had
00:51:42
talked about the shelter she had stayed in this shelter at a month this month at a month
00:51:48
the next you know from time to time she's in and out of this shelter now most of these shelters you have to obey
00:51:54
their curfew rules and the other thing is you can't show up messed up on drugs or alcohol when you come into these
00:52:01
places I don't know the specifics of this location but if it carries through to to the other locations that I know of
00:52:08
what what the staff was seeing there was they were seeing increased paranoia they
00:52:13
were seeing an increased mental break they wondered if she was eating there was a question if she may have been uh
00:52:20
anorexic or Bic or or something of that nature and there seems to be a lot going
00:52:25
on inside of Emma that they are saying and they don't believe that it's drug related there seems to be she's spiring
00:52:34
spiraling out of control a bit here right and who knows if that that prepaid credit card or the prepaid cell phone if
00:52:43
those were preparations for her to make an exit or if those were just random things that she did because she's
00:52:50
confused right yeah and and she could be going in and out of a manic States so and that that's where it becomes if she
00:53:00
gets out of that state maybe she you know maybe that's what really confused me is when she's calling for help you
00:53:07
know come get me come get me and then she's just don't I I wonder if it's like you know fading in and out of this like
00:53:14
reality and she's like okay what the hell am I doing here where's my family somebody help me and then she starts
00:53:20
fading back into some kind of more psychotic State and she's like no no I can handle this you know but but you
00:53:27
still have to make the phone call to the mother so I don't know I mean this is a
00:53:32
it's a riddle uh wrapped in a mystery I mean this is um a tough one well the thing I really worry about here and I
00:53:40
really kind of lean more towards the side of a mental break or a more diving into a transient lifestyle um cuz we've
00:53:51
seen that type of behavior from her in her past at a very young age of 16 she seems to kind of be hopping around
00:53:58
trying to figure out things and move from place to place um so I lean towards either of those conclusions that she is
00:54:06
still out there that she uh whether it be because of a mental issue that she's ended up somewhere or that she chooses
00:54:12
to move around or chooses to live elsewhere I lean that way but the thing that scares me and the thing that really
00:54:19
worries me here is that in either of those situations could have left her very vulnerable and somebody could have
00:54:28
taken advantage of that and and I mean that for the worse um and that's that's what's scary here and that's that is
00:54:36
what makes me wonder why we've not seen use of that debit card and we've not seen her turn up
00:54:42
anywhere well like I was saying by the hotel there the bridge and there's this water and they did they did do some
00:54:52
diving to search and they didn't find anything and what they said was if she did jump into the water that she would
00:55:00
have Flo up she would have surfaced at some point uh but I there was a there's a lot of water there right yeah but the
00:55:07
more I've been digging uh you know there is also a big percentage of people go yeah well that's what people assume what
00:55:15
would happen but there's a possibility that she would actually been been taken out to see so my thought uh I think the
00:55:23
the conclusion I come up with is is if she was having this break and then when she has the encounter with the police
00:55:32
that might even send her off into more spiraling and if she did uh you know if she ended up passing it I
00:55:44
think it was through that water mhm if she didn't pass through there and she left on her own I don't think she's left
00:55:51
in the in a a proper mental state so and maybe there's you know I I don't know how that stuff works I'm not a doctor
00:55:59
I'm a captain um but did she just keep fading and fading and and completely lose touch
00:56:08
with reality and I think this is somewhat of uh Shell's thoughts too and the police have stated multiple times
00:56:14
they don't think that there was Foul Play involved right and so they're saying that for a reason um so like we
00:56:21
were talking about Vancouver she's been going to Vancouver lot spent some time there and looking because of the big
00:56:27
homeless population and normally um based on you know there's a huge population of the homeless that have
00:56:34
mental illnesses your conclusions Captain are that this the waters involved that probably mental break
00:56:42
suffering some mental health issues one out of the two that were just going on and on and uh may have led to her taking
00:56:49
her own life or an accidental death well I guess the you know the water if if there was
00:56:59
some suicidal thought maybe that she was just having this break and it's hard to
00:57:05
say it's hard to say suicide because you know because mental illness doesn't always lead to Suicide we know that and
00:57:12
and sometimes it can lead to bounce of Amnesia too well no but what I'm saying is that like I don't know like it that's
00:57:21
just a tough that whole situation is just a a tough thing in general but I think it it would have been because of
00:57:29
the mental illness that she would say that she would think in her head I'm going to jump into this
00:57:35
water yeah and I I lean towards the mental illness thing or transient lifestyle um one because we've seen both
00:57:44
behaviors and yeah but the transient lifestyle just doesn't make any sense to me like you just leave all your
00:57:49
belongings here's the other thing that here's my big question but they they may go hand in hand is what I'm saying no no
00:57:57
I no I see that but but I think there's a big difference between being homeless and being and transient
00:58:04
lifestyle my big question and I would like to know this answer is she we brought up those selfies the pictures
00:58:11
with the Selfies MH and we brought up that they found a digital camera in her van
00:58:16
right they would have hopefully somebody would have knowledge of which cameras she had and I'd be interested if one of
00:58:23
those cameras were missing because I think if she was going to take out on her own I think that's the one
00:58:29
thing she would not leave behind you're saying she may have had multiple cameras
00:58:34
and even though there was a camera found in the van that she may have taken another camera was there another camera
00:58:40
or was she just known to have this one camera and they found that one camera cuz to me that's a that's uh you know I
00:58:46
could leave a lot of stuff behind but there's certain items that I couldn't as far as an artist goes mhm and you know
00:58:54
know it's just I mean when you go on vacation when I go on vacation I have to take a guitar with me like I just have
00:59:00
to well that's my work but I have today you know I can't go on vacation without a guitar and and the thing for me
00:59:07
Captain that would would present some answers to me and help me come up with a better conclusion would be like I said
00:59:15
was there can anybody find any evidence that on November 28th that she was trying to locate her van or she because
00:59:23
we know the she had the money to retrieve it uh and and being a private person I wonder about having those
00:59:31
journals left in the van out of her control um what that would mean to her um so that's that's one answer that I
00:59:39
need in this case and there's there's many many answers that need to be to be solved um it's a fascinating case it's
00:59:46
there's a lot of weird things that happened leading up to her disappearance and it only left us with so many
00:59:52
questions afterward yeah we're just and really I mean we could have talked about
00:59:56
another couple episodes yeah let's stay here till Thursday no l we don't have time for that but the main reason that
01:00:03
we we're talking about this case is um to try to help in any way we can this case uh was big in Canada but there has
01:00:12
been you know I've seen things where there's sightings in Vancouver I've seen that there possible sightings in Seattle
01:00:19
so anything that we can do to get the word out and and we're going to like I said post pictures and stuff and
01:00:27
hopefully we can just create awareness mhm and yeah and even though they found her passport in the van her mother has
01:00:33
always said that the United States would have been somewhere that she could have
01:00:37
ended up you know she could have easily traveled to the states so we need to locate Emma philippoff she was 5'5
01:00:46
approximately 90 to about 110 PB mhm uh she had blonde hair at times brown hair at times Sandy blond um and and she
01:00:55
would be 30 years old this year um and you can get more information at the Facebook page help find Emma you can get
01:01:02
a better description there there's also ways to report a tip uh I would recommend if you believe that you see
01:01:09
her or you know her whereabouts you can call 911 um anything that you can do to help
01:01:16
and check out the Facebook page help find Emma and also as we post pictures of Emma feel free to share those on
01:01:24
social media to help spread the word so we can help um Shelly and the Philip off
01:01:29
family I mean cuz it's just a sad thing and I know we brought up some questionable things about the family
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that's just basically to cover the whole case uh we don't think there's any involvement at all again um take a
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look be on the lookout do whatever you can uh and let's um help this family out thanks all of you for joining us in the
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that out uh part one part two and part three he interviews Shelly and interviews Julian and um just keep doing
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