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thanks for listening I'm your host Nick and with me as always is the Ghost with the most but don't say his name three
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times ladies and gentlemen the captain I won't I won't do it can't do do it won't
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do two shows in one night babe it's good to see you and it's good to be seen thanks so much for telling a friend
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make sure you tell all your friends run around screaming at your neighbors give me some candy Listen to True Crime
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[Music] garage tonight at the Halloween party we are drinking October Fest by Brooklyn
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Brewing from Brooklyn New York that's the garage grade how about we give it 4 and 1/2 bottle caps out of five this
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rocking Brooklyn October Fest was brought to us by some of our Gastly garage nasties first we have Noel in
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Grove City Ohio hm that sounds like a wonderful little Community we also have Lauren and Spokane Washington and
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there's Elaine in vastel New York Elaine says nice jib nice jib back to you I don't know if we should call them our
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nasties I don't know how nice that is it's a Halloween party Ghouls and ghosts you got a nasty jib
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that's right also we want to say hi to Stephanie in Indianapolis Indiana who says keep up the good work guys next we
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have Gwenna in Long Beach California also Jason in New York New York he says he wants to buy us a keg and he also
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says that his favorite thing is heading to Upstate New York with his dog and listening to True Crime garage at night
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because it scares the hell out of him I want to know more about this keg that he's going to buy M like your jib wonder
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what it cost to ship a ceg and last but certainly not least worth it for him we have a very happy Halloween too the acid
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garage.com and and so you may have guessed it tonight is our big Halloween party and we are going to take a little
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break from the Halloween action I know you're probably going to hear this a couple days afterwards but we couldn't
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get it out on that night we're traditionalist we had to have the Halloween party in the garage on
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Halloween night so but tonight we're also going to talk about our favorite true crime documentaries of all time so
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we're going to get to that right after this oh good one so grab a chair grab a beer and let's talk some true cra maybe
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grab two maybe grab some candy when it says take one take five say help yourself thank you so much you've earned
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it thank you let's get in the [Music] garage this is true crime garage and this is the Halloween
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show [Music] was guilty of capital murder this doesn't change anything our son de our son and
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he was tortured to death by three murdering bastards on a ditch bike he was 8 years old
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the damn system stinks it's a great tragedy that kids was to kill but it's also another great tragedy that American
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citizens anybody today's public can just be picked up for a crime they didn't commit everybody in the town and in the
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courtroom and on the jury are all blinded by their fantasies about satanic [Music]
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cults there it is your [Music] C right of course what can't [Music] matter [Music]
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Cain Kurt Cobain is dead hiring me is not like hiring an attorney it's not to protect you my job
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is to find the truth all kinds of red flags started popping up she starts telling us these
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things that just didn't add up save the American Icon Tom that was suspicious to me and This
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Woman's husband had just been found dead and there didn't seem to be any sadness
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[Music] whatsoever if I'm guilty it means that I am the ultimate figure to fear because I'm
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not the obvious one the girl known as Foxy everyone is talking [Music] about from as long as I remember I
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wanted to be someone else we had no idea what kind of person were we were getting he had changed so much
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there was just something wrong about [Music] [Music] it about 15 buildings here have been
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abandoned for quite some time they did a lot of searching for the kids here specifically for Jennifer and I believe
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Holly [Music] am growing up on Staten Island Barbara and I had often heard the legend of
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cropsy you're supposed to have a hook a knife about this big cropsy was the Escape mental patient who lived in the
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tunnels beneath the old abandoned willbrook mental institution who would come out late at night snatch children
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off the [Music] street [Music] 12-year-old John gshh had been delivering papers in this affluent
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neighborhood of West de Mo that was the last time he was seen the parents believe the boy is alive and has been
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kidnapped Johnny we love you we're waiting for you to come home we're doing everything in our power to get you
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[Music] back take care babe thousands of people have been searching for the boy but
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nothing [Music] all right this is some Halloween party we're having here tonight Captain yeah
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can I get anybody a drink maybe some candy the captain made a uh scary hairy buffalo I tell you I had a I had a sip
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of that a few minutes ago and I fell right over well I thought there were going to be more people in the garage
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but there it's just me and you it's always just me and you well and you know what I was surprised that I sent a few
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invites out to some celebrities and uh I'm really surprised not to see them here you know Johnny Depp I I talked to
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him and he said you know I'd love to make it out to the garage for your Halloween party but I'm busy with the
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Hollywood vampires I'm tour did he kind of talk like he has a a little bit of a British accent well I couldn't tell if
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he was just I just can't make it tonight I couldn't tell if he was just putting me off you know that if he was just like
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kind of trying to be nice but not really being nice well Rachel McAdams the invitation is always in the mail I also
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sent a Facebook invite to your good friend Anderson Cooper but in traditional Anderson like fashion he
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didn't even bother to respond I can't I mean come on he he said f off that's what he replied well Anderson Cooper
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maybe next year okay so what we decided to do since we're we talk about a lot of
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uh creepy cases and it kind of gets us down a little bit and these are some creepy cases but what we're going to be
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talking about today in the garage is our top 10 True Crime documentary list yes and originally we agreed that we would
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each come up with our own list and we would mesh them together and we would you know come up with an ultimate garage
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list but uh of course we could not agree on any of these things so uh we're just
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going to go with our different list yeah we agreed on some lined up pretty close
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I think yeah but then there there was some that uh were not on my list because cuz I never seen them I haven't seen
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them yet and there's some that you haven't seen or some that you didn't remember while you're making the list
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and uh so it's not fair to make this complete list so we're going to have your list my list and and a bunch of
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honorable mentions yeah so if you are listening at work we want you to encourage you to join in the Halloween
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party with us put a little vodka or a little whiskey in your coffee or something and just a tiny bit Yeah and
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stop working just get like a pad of paper and a pen and write down all these true crime documentaries how about you
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pull a George castanza and get underneath your desk and just relax a little bit Yeah pull out your little
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alarm clock enjoy yourself make a little bed sit back and relax all right without
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further Ado how about we do our top 10 list all right but let's start with the uh some honorable mentions so this this
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is this is a great show cuz one through our social media Twitter Facebook Instagram all that stuff if we missed a
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document please let us know about it oh I obviously we can't list all of them we're just kind of going over some of
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our favorites but please let us know about some one that we might have missed because I mean this is how sometimes we
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get um involved into a case as we watch a documentary or through a recommendation uh somebody says check
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out this documentary on Netflix or whatever and then we do a two-part or like last week this is what happened
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with the uh Johnny gsh case if you haven't listened to part one and part two just stop this one well finish this
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one and then go back and make sure you listen to both of those those are great episodes I think do you have any
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honorable mentions for us Captain yeah hold on where where are my notes uh the first one which we you hear in the
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trailer this one I find to be pretty interesting the Jinx yes of course that was a widely popular one that HBO
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covered not too long ago regarding Robert Durst and did he kill them all you know is what it left us all asking
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and yeah this is this is where the documentaries are going to be I believe in the future going to play a bigger
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part in the actual case itself I mean most of the time like and you'll see this throughout the list a lot of times
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these documentarians get involved and because of that and because of the hype and because of the public pressure you
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actually get some results that that you wouldn't have got before and in in this uh in this documentary famously he's
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he's wired for uh sound well we got to try not to uh we want we got to watch out for the spoilers The the well I'm
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the king of the spoilers uh anyways it's an interesting documentary and if you haven't checked that out the gist of it
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is this I mean we have this guy who's he's he's raised in a wealthy family and he he is somewhat successful himself uh
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their familyes involved in some kind of real state in New York and but throughout his life people around him
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keep dying um and you know you got to figure out the Jinx that's why it's called the Jinx is this some kind of
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curse is this a curse that he carries with him or the people around him are cursed uh or does he have a hand in this
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so uh check out the Jinx that's a good honorable mention we also have uh Cocaine Cowboys yeah I have I've only
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seen clips of Cocaine Cowboys but I've heard good things saw I saw the first one I I think this came out in 2006 this
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was about the Miami drug wars from the ' 7s and the'80s and I believe that they did a a followup a Cocaine Cowboys 2 but
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I've not seen that one uh and the one that I have not watched yet and it's been on my list to watch for a long time
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is the staircase I have heard a lot of things I've heard a lot of good things but to give it credibility I've seen it
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and it's it's a really good one uh there's the the situation is this so there's this um there's this gentleman
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um well you can if he's a gentleman or not uh he's a retired uh military and I I do want to point out we're going to
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talk about each one of these documentaries a little briefly that way you can decide which ones you want to
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watch uh but however we are going to go off of memory because obviously we didn't have time to sit down and watch
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10 or 12 documentaries just to tell you all about them so this gentleman he was in a retired military uh I believe he
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may have served in Vietnam and he became an author he wrote something you know wrote about some of his War Stories and
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he had a wife that that dies accidental death on the stairway but it's they're trying to figure out was this an
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accidental death or was this a murder so right um yeah I mean I've just heard a lot of good things and uh it's like I
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said it's been on my radar to check out for a while I think that was an eight parter and I want to say that may have
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been uh like a Sundance Film Festival some kind of Award winner that that's the problem is some sometimes these
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documentaries are so long that it's like people go listeners will say hey have you checked this out yet I go no and
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they go well it's only eight parts it's like well but we got to work on a show for next week yeah yeah but for the for
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everybody out there a lot of these are easy to kind of binge through you know um I think I watched the staircase even
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though it's eight parts I think I watched it in two nights uh we also got um into the abyss and Central Park 5
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yeah so Central Park 5 is about an old case from Central Park New York um and that was you know years ago there was
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something with the teenagers um and there was they were kind of rioting um Loosely rioting and terrorizing citizens
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in Central Park MH and a a woman uh I believe she was jogging uh and she was attacked or or raped by this group of
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teenagers but it's it's been speculated over the years are they innocent or did they actually commit this crime so
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that's that's a good one and into the abyss as well is a good one and that is about a um uh the after effects of of a
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person having committed crime and uh the the prison sentence and in life in prison afterward all right let's get
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into our top 10 list starting with number one no of course that's not how you do these things starting with number
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10 mhm what's your number 10 number 10 I have cropsy have you seen cropsy yes I now I haven't seen it all I've seen
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parts of it uh because I feel like I missed something like I started it then I started again but I think I missed
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about 15 20 minutes okay but did cropsy make see here's the interesting thing here Captain is we've not fully reviewed
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each other's list so we may have some on on your top 10 in mine as well so as we
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go through these you you mention if if that made your list as well did cropsy make it somewhere in your yes it made my
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list a little higher um who what you give it well I'm not going to give that away
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right now we we'll go your top 10 my top 10 leave us in suspense I love it yeah so anyways it got uh
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90% uh on Roden Tomatoes 62% from the audience so kind of a drop off there so 90% from the critics 62 from the
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audience yeah so critics loved it the half the audience loved it I loved it I was in that half that loved it uh this
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was this was story about uh well we have Joshua Zeman who grew up in Staten Island he is the uh documentarian that
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he did cropsy and he's done a couple others um he grew up on Staten Island and he had always heard this story about
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cropsy and well what was cropsy well cropsy was the last name or the name given to a maniac who had escaped from a
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uh mental hospital and he was out snatching kids off the street and killing them and Josh grows up and he
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learns that you know actually when he was a child or when he was a teenager there was a girl taken from his
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neighborhood so this as he grows up and he realized that there was a man named Andre Rand uh who had actually been on
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trial for killing a couple of kids and what Josh wanted to figure out was kind of the old chicken or the egg scenario
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you know what came first was it was it the legend of cropsy that came first or was it uh Andre ran who who was the you
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know the real life monster yeah and I think a lot of times with uh documentaries for me at least it's you
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like the idea of the story maybe not so much you know the the filming of it the soundtrack and all those stuff they play
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A Part mhm but I think it's really more the idea uh or the case itself if you whether or not you like the documentary
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yeah and it's neat too when there's somebody that's from the area can tell you stuff about the area that you would
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not have known that that some other guy or girl couldn't have just walked in there uh and and presented it in that
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way so check out cropsy what was number 10 for you Captain uh capturing the fredman's okay this was done in
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2003 and riding tomato rating of uh 97% and 89% it's rated R the running time is 107 minutes and what's fascinating to
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me is I I believe that this documentary is done by one of the older Sons uh it's
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basically this documentary about this the the dad and the youngest son get charged with these heinous crimes and
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then it's like going through the whole scenario it's fascinating what I find about it is it's it's very unnerving
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it's like once you see this documentary you can't unsee it okay um but I just just remember I you know was studying
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jazz in college and I had this guy that uh would just come into every rehearsal just going on some rant about whatever
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and he was ranting about this documentary he just watched and I just remember like writing it on my arm like
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I need to find this documentary so it it was fascinating if you haven't seen it capturing the freed mens is a definite
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uh one that I think you should check out I have not I'm going to go ahead and jot
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that down on my arm to make sure that I watch that uh number nine for me I have the
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impostor yeah this is this really good uh film good documentary this is shot really well mhm uh it's very cinematic
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they actually reenact a lot of events using the actual characters from real life so they'll take scenes that happen
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that don't they don't have footage for and they reenact them using the actual people and this has a lot of twist and
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turns in it when just you know you think you're heading down One path and vo they
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take you down another way and then voo they take you another Direction so uh this was the impostor this was the story
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of Nicholas Barkley he was barlay he was a a a young boy that was has gone missing um and they've not found him but
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then three years later they think that they found him in Spain um and this this person comes forward that's about three
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years older and they start talking to him and he's reunited with the family and I'll just let you I'll let the the
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the listeners check it out from there we don't want to go to yeah the Imposter was done uh 2012 it's been making a a
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big buzz because it's on Netflix now you can check it out on Netflix 95% on Rotten Tomato 78 from the uh from the
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audience rated R and the running time is 95 minutes I'll tell you what this probably one of the most recommended
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ones that I as far as people recommending uh True Crime documentary to me like every couple months
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somebody's like oh have you seen the Imposter oh you have to see the Imposter and yeah yeah I I think it's definitely
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it's uh it's definitely worth checking out if you haven't done so already number nine for me is Amanda Knox which
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was done in 2016 had a big buzz because it was Netflix I believe a next Netflix original I'm not don't quote me on that
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well it's on Netflix yeah it's on Netflix now uh no R uh rating on this one run time is 92 minutes uh
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89% and 76% on Rotten Tomatoes I like this visually it's just beautiful tons of scenes and this is a case that has been
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recommended to us a bunch cover aanda Knox cover Mana Knox is a case that I'm not really familiar with this is one of
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those cases you know Anderson Cooper um Nancy Grace a lot of people when this case blew up up when it did
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tons of news coverage those to me cases like that um Amanda Knox um a million other ones
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OJ when they become this like Pulp culture nonsense to me I normally start T tuning out so I didn't know much about
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the case so for me it was it was a great documentary to watch I have a really good understanding of the case now I
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think and also when people suggest these cases after watching this document documentary I don't feel like I have
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much to bring to the conversation do you find that you that you end up having a better experience when you have no idea
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about the case and then you sit down and watch a documentary or do you find that
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it's a better experience to be to know of a case and be excited that there's finally a documentary about it uh I
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think for me it's just not knowing anything and then when you go in you know then you start learning but what
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you will learn through time and time again uh there's always holes in the story and look they're putting together
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an hour and a half documentary on this uh on some kind of crime just like our shows people will constantly say to us
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oh you missed this part or you missed this thing well we're putting together our our show on a case I mean we are
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going to miss some things yeah yeah sometimes there's a lot more to cover than just one hour uh and we do have to
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skip over some some of the smaller details yeah so number for me is the Manda Knox I think it's you know
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visually uh they did a great job and like I said I have a better clear understanding of the case so number
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eight for me would be um the case of John Ben Ramsay this is the three-part miniseries that was done by CBS I
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believe uh This was done in 2016 this was just uh recently and very recently and not only within like the
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last what six weeks or two months maybe and uh this was kind of funny because you and I had recommended this to each
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other almost simultaneously you know I said oh there's some new John Benet stuff coming out and you said oh you got
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to watch you got to watch this one that and neither of us had watched it before recommending it to the other and as far
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as cases Go I mean if somebody asked me to do my top five cases or even top three cases of all time cases that I've
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looked into over and over and over and over again uh this would be one John Ramsey case has always really uh you
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know baffled me you have some really interesting characters in this many series you have um Henry Lee which is
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has some connections with the OJ case yeah Henry Lee is the um he's been involved in a lot of the forensics as
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far as uh physical evidence goes and and how a crime could take place in the movements of the people and why there's
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blood here and not blood there uh sure if you've had to have seen Henry Lee before yeah I think the thing about this
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uh miniseries or documentary uh I mean 20% on Rotten Tomatoes 16% with the audience so it's very low I don't know
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if that's because they just don't believe the theory that they came up with but I thought what was bold was
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this it's this panel of people you know experts panel of experts they come up with this Theory which is not original
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Theory but they add a lot of details to it and then they make some pretty um damning claims so much so that they're
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now lawsuits if you have not seen this I would recommend this for sure yeah it didn't make my list but I loved it and
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it didn't it you know sometimes when you watch something on TV and it's a three-parter like such as this you kind
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of forget that it's actually a documentary you know and well that's my thing is I kept on thinking well it was
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a it was a minseries it was a TV show technically a TV series should it make the list but it is by definition a True
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Crime documentary I think you picked a good one uh number eight for me was uh the very famous ever popular uh making a
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murderer yes which I still have not seen which is the Steven Wright case and and
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I'm sure there's people sitting in their garage at home booing you right now but
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you don't need you don't need to boo the captain because uh you know like we said
00:28:47
he's seen some that I've not uh this one I like about this and I've also listened
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to a lot of podcasts about the case and and here's the thing for me this I think
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it was uh cinematically it was well done um it it looked good uh the music was great
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you know the way that they put everything together it's kind of a a collage you know uh and and I I found it
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extremely entertaining I kind of begrudgingly liked it because I disagree with uh with their Theory um and it it
00:29:20
made me put off watching it for quite some time but I did enjoy watching this one because I thought it was so well
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done uh it's a little skewed in my opinion but um this is still on my list to get to I
00:29:33
mean I mean uh we started a true crime podcast I don't know if you know about this uh True Crime garage and the
00:29:40
biggest True Crime podcast probably of all time is Cal and it took me at least a year or so to dive into
00:29:49
cereal which which was bad for me I mean it took weeks off my life of researching
00:29:54
the case over and over so that's probably proba one of the reasons why I've stayed away from that documentary
00:30:00
but I probably should watch it making a murder on Rotten Tomatoes will get 98% by the critics and 95% by the audience
00:30:07
of course this came out in 2015 and they are making a second uh go around of this
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yeah second season of making a murderer again yeah this is Technic technically classified as a a TV show and not a
00:30:20
documentary but as we all know in the True Crime world it's a documentary yeah we're very loose about the rules here in
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00:32:30
cheers how about another October Fest Captain because you know what these things expire uh as soon as as soon as
00:32:36
it turns November so you have to drink them all up before the end of October it's the last night happy Halloween
00:32:42
that's how it works that's how it works we have like three hours until my Cadillac turns into a pumpkin all right
00:32:48
all right so what number are we on we're number seven we're at seven sir go I'll
00:32:53
start with mine mine was the impostor so I had it a little higher than yours um again we don't really need to talk about
00:32:59
we already talked about it so that's my number seven your number seven sir is me
00:33:03
I had an old one this is a oldie but a goodie it's called The Iceman tapes Confessions of a mafia Hitman and uh on
00:33:11
Rotten Tomatoes it got 84% by the audience uh this one came out like in the don't quote me on this I want to say
00:33:17
early 90s uh but uh this one I saw on cable when I was younger and and it was like very eye openening to me because
00:33:25
this guy was a true true Psychopathic killer in every sense of the word it's it's about uh Richard
00:33:33
klinsky um and that fast after all those October fast yeah let's let's not say it
00:33:38
again uh but he was a worked for the mafia as a Hitman and he offed sometimes he just offed people that he didn't like
00:33:46
uh but it it was it was crazy to me because when I was younger I always thought that you know you had serial
00:33:51
killers and I understood that there was a mafia out there but I saw this when I was probably 11 or 12 years old old and
00:33:57
I was like I was like oh my goodness there's this guy that that's his job he's he he just has no problem killing
00:34:03
people like lots of people maybe he turned his hobby into a living maybe that's what it was could be he's a I
00:34:08
mean he's that's why he's the icean he is cold he's a coldblooded killer yeah I've seen this before and I've actually
00:34:15
listened to a bunch of interviews I believe they had some stuff on Coast to Coast on this back in my days of
00:34:21
traveling around and listening to Coast to Coast at night I believe they talked about the Iceman before but I believe
00:34:26
I've seen this uh I didn't have it on my list but again like you said it's this weird thing where it's like sometimes I
00:34:33
mean it is a crime it is a true crime uh I it didn't register in my brain but it
00:34:39
it's definitely I'd definitely recommend it as well so let's get to my number six
00:34:44
another one that we don't have to talk about CU we already did cropsy I I you know like I said to me it was just the
00:34:52
idea of you know a small town boy here's some rumors is there some truth to it and dives into it a little bit of
00:35:02
armchair detective type stuff that I just like the whole premise of the whole thing and if you have not seen cropsy it
00:35:08
is on Netflix so go check out uh Netflix with the cropsy all right your number six is the devil and the death penalty
00:35:18
this is a um this is an interesting one this is about uh Roy Norris and Lawrence
00:35:23
Baker uh they were known as the toolbox Killers uh they were serial killers in the 70s these were some of the worst of
00:35:31
the worst why do they call them to toolbox Killers well because they they would travel around in a van and they
00:35:37
would abduct these teenage girls and they would torture them using things in from their toolbox okay I shouldn't have
00:35:45
asked you should not have asked because yeah you're you're stuck thinking about that for a while but beer is tasting
00:35:50
great now um but the other part of this you know it it's just as much about the two killers as as the kind of the failed
00:35:58
death penalty in California you know these guys have been on death row for so long I think now forgive me because it's
00:36:05
been a few years since I've watched it I'm not certain I think Norris might have passed away due to like natural
00:36:12
causes or something like that while he was but I know Baker is still on death row to this day and he was like
00:36:18
convicted these crimes took place in the 70s uh and all that tax money to keep him alive and all that tax money to all
00:36:26
the um the legal processes they have to go to through the appeals and everything
00:36:32
and I think that when this you know the the guy that created this documentary he
00:36:36
grew up somewhere where in the area and he had returned to his hometown and he kind of like started asking people about
00:36:43
oh do you remember Lawrence paker and he just assumed he would have been executed
00:36:47
by then right and it it blew his top to figure out that they've not killed the guy yet the state the state that I live
00:36:54
in that could that condemned him to death has not killed him yet and we're talking about I think at the time when
00:37:00
this came out there was like s or 800 people in California in the state of California still on death row for for
00:37:07
crimes they've committed a long time ago yeah uh I have not seen this documentary
00:37:13
so it being so high on your list is something I definitely want to check out it's a lesser known one all right so
00:37:20
number five for me uh I think that's where we're at this beer is getting in the way of me keeping
00:37:26
track uh I have who took Johnny which we covered the John gosh case uh last week
00:37:32
a two-parter I was surprised to find out that this was uh done in 2013 it was 2013 yeah I mean it's it's seen kind of
00:37:41
a resurgent with it being on Netflix but unless that's a typo uh this you know basically this kind of set around for 3
00:37:49
years but now it's getting some buzz like I said we did a two-parter on that it doesn't have a run and tomato meter
00:37:57
like overall I believe it's just an audience that's 84% this is pretty short this is uh 76
00:38:04
minutes so you can you can kind of dive into this uh the reason why I like this one so much
00:38:13
is It's Kind here's what's tough did I enjoy watching it I don't know I then now I know that sounds do that
00:38:20
ridiculous go ahead but it's like I immediately watched it and immediately started diving into the Rabbit Hole oh
00:38:27
see I see so it's like did I love the documentary I don't know like the story didn't end for you when the documentary
00:38:33
was over you immediately into Sherlock Holmes mode and like Googling things and look trolling the internet I had a
00:38:39
three-hour long conversation about this case last night on the phone it's like it just keeps going and going and
00:38:46
there's there's so much that the documentary actually misses uh weird things again the documentary is 76
00:38:54
minutes we did the two-parter on it there's a lot of weird stuff to talk about and even in our two-parter we
00:38:59
missed some weird little things that happen whether they're true or not I don't know but we we miss bringing those
00:39:06
up yeah you know but uh I think it's such a fascinating case and if you haven't heard of the case it's a great
00:39:13
way to dive into it I have it a little higher on my list it did make my list as well but one of my favorite things to do
00:39:20
I don't watch a lot of TV or a lot of movies but but one of my favorite oddly enough even though it's one of my
00:39:26
favorite things to do I enjoy watching things with other people because I like to get their perspective afterwards I
00:39:32
like to have the little conversations afterwards and so I asked somebody to watch this documentary with me who took
00:39:38
Johnny and I was a little worried because when you when you sit down and you're interested in something and you
00:39:44
know you're excited to watch it right you want the other person to have a pleasurable experience as well and you
00:39:50
know me well not me I want to watch something and I want somebody to be bored out of their mind well get up and
00:39:56
leave leave but leave me the popcorn right go go get me a sandwich while you're bored that's all I'm that's all
00:40:03
that's that's what you want out of life no no I'm just Ming but what I want is the other person to be entertained and
00:40:10
of course I was a little worried because you know me big True Crime dork I knew I
00:40:14
was going to be entertained and I asked this person to watch it with me dork and
00:40:19
True Crime dork at some point like halfway through I'm the kind of person I can get up from a movie or from a
00:40:24
documentary as long as I keep an ear out and can hear what's going on I don't mind walking away from the screen for a
00:40:30
second right I went to the fridge to grab an October Fest and in the process I stepped in front of the the screen
00:40:38
yeah how dare I I the the other person was so into it I got I I kind of got a little got a little yell there they're
00:40:44
like hey hey come on door move out of the way yeah they should have hit you no no uh it's a it's a good film I
00:40:52
definitely uh check that out what is your number five my number five is dear Zachary a letter
00:40:59
to a son about his father this came out in 2008 I watched it on vacation a year or so ago what a nice thing to watch
00:41:10
crime two crime the the the sun went down and I decided hey what a good night to pop some popcorn and and have a
00:41:16
couple beers and True Crime it up uh it was 2008 True Crime and chill I think they call that running time is about I
00:41:24
think it's 95 minutes and this got a Critic rating on rot rotten tomatoes of 94% and an audience rating of 96% so the
00:41:33
audience was was even it better uh than the critics here now this one is a I'm not going to lie to you Captain it's
00:41:41
very entertaining extremely entertaining but it's also it's probably the saddest
00:41:46
one on my list uh this one I can't remember if I choked up I can't remember if there was a tear rolling down the
00:41:52
cheek uh but there was definitely the old lump in the throat was getting me a few times and this is about a a a guy
00:42:00
that grew up uh with with another guy and they were friends okay good friends the one guy goes on to be involved in in
00:42:08
Hollywood or in films somehow yeah so when he's growing up he's always he's always behind the camera you know and
00:42:15
he's asking his friends to be you know act out a skit for us do something funny so very Dawson's Creek yeah he's always
00:42:21
he's always interviewing or filming his friends doing things and one of his friends grows up to he's unfortunately
00:42:28
becomes a murder victim and they have a lot of old footage of this of this guy I
00:42:33
don't have his name in front of me but he has a son and his name is Zachary and so as an adult he wanted the young son
00:42:41
to know his father and so he started piecing together uh things that he had filmed about his father as well as
00:42:50
documenting the crime itself um and the the thing that one it's I mean it's interesting uh not I wouldn't say as
00:43:00
much from a true crime perspective uh just from a documentary perspective it's it's extremely entertaining and the
00:43:07
victim in this crime is he I mean he could have been I think he could have been a movie star he had a great
00:43:13
personality he he was very Charming he was naturally funny like the captain yeah he was good he was just great on
00:43:20
camera so I recommend dear Zachary a letter to a son about his father all right let's get to number four let's
00:43:27
start with your number four my number four was one that you had already mentioned who took Johnny all right so
00:43:33
you had it one one spot higher than me yep uh so definitely check that out again like we said somewhat of a general
00:43:40
consensus there you have it five five I have at four yeah and I think you know as people are yelling and screaming oh
00:43:46
my God that shouldn't be 10 or right mhm the thing is is the list I mean if I woke up tomorrow the list would change
00:43:53
tomorrow the list is going to change 6 months from from now I mean as far as like it's always like when you just look
00:43:59
back on it and so when when I was going over my list I kept on thinking like what was the
00:44:05
anticipation what did I feel right afterwards and that's kind of hard to remember uh again I have it so high and
00:44:13
I couldn't even tell you if I liked the documentary I just dove into the case so
00:44:17
hard well for me my top three were pretty set in stone like I it was easy for me to write down my top three and
00:44:24
after that I knew of others that I that I loved right but but they're like you said they're almost interchangeable with
00:44:31
one another if I you know a week from now they could you could flip my my number 10 cropsy with number four who
00:44:37
took Johnny I was actually surprised by my number my top three I surprised myself again leaving us in Spence in
00:44:44
suspense okay so number four for me is uh finding Emma Philip off which another case that we covered uh this is a case
00:44:52
that I recommended uh we get listener you know listeners will uh recommend cases to us through social media and the
00:44:59
website and stuff like that you can also give us a f star rating on iTunes and and leave us a little recommended case
00:45:06
for us there but there are times that you know you'll present a case to me hey I I know of this case it's really
00:45:13
interesting let's talk about it uh this is one that I actually um brought to the
00:45:19
table um and and it was actually on a list like this master list of one of my friends said hey here are some
00:45:27
interesting cases and then I also found it again it was on like uh mysterious disappearance cases again if you haven't
00:45:35
listened to our episodes on that go do so but documentary I don't know if this is a documentary or not it's by Fifth
00:45:43
Estate I watch it on YouTube that's the only way I know how to watch it um it's like 45 minutes it's pretty it's almost
00:45:51
like a DAT Line special um I couldn't find any uh raining uh rankings or ratings on it so um but again it was one
00:46:02
of those things as I'm watching it quickly wanted to start diving into the case and uh it's one of you know one of
00:46:12
a case that still fascinates me today and and one of those things where if I see anything posted about this case I
00:46:18
immediately start you know clicking forward and trying to check out still baffled by it so that's my number four
00:46:26
uh number three well I'll start with mine sure okay I have west of Memphis this was done in
00:46:34
2012 um 96% on Rotten Tomatoes 87 that's the audience uh it's rated R uh run time is
00:46:44
about an hour and or 146 minutes now this is a film about uh the West Memphis 3 and to me it's part two of theous
00:46:55
famous documentaries M the The Paradise Lost to me it's just the fourth installment gotcha um but is it is done
00:47:04
very differently uh Daman EOL and and some of the other members of the West Memphis 3 are actually involved
00:47:12
in the production of this and their producers of the case so there is definitely an argument that the opinion
00:47:18
of this is uh a skewed but like I said um that I was reading some reviews on it the guys said it's you know it it wasn't
00:47:28
watching a film it was kind of just more like watching a TV show um that was his
00:47:34
opinion I could see that I thought it was good I thought it was done nice but again there's some skew viewpoints you
00:47:42
know but it's just such a fascinating case to me that to me it's the it's the part four you know after the trilogy it
00:47:51
did it did not make my list uh and not because it wasn't good I mean it it's just you can't you wouldn't allow me to
00:47:59
squeeze uh 13 documentaries into a top 10 list and rightfully so well let me tell the viewers what happened right so
00:48:07
we we we decided that we we knew about a month back this was your idea you said hey let's give the listeners two
00:48:14
episodes in h for Halloween so we had cases lined up and then we started talking about this who took you know
00:48:23
Johnny gosh case because of the documentary and then we kind of moov some things
00:48:27
around so we were supposed to we were going to release it the Halloween special on the Monday but we decided
00:48:34
well we'll do John gosh finish up John gosh right and then we had a producer friend of ours say uh you should have
00:48:40
did your Halloween episode on on on Monday and then did part two on Wednesday I thought one that's a cruel
00:48:48
joke cuz you get you oh you're waiting for part two and then you see that we put out a show and it's not part two the
00:48:55
other thing about it too is anytime that we're diving into a case you got to really stay focused on that case and a
00:49:01
lot of times a lot of my friends will tell me your your documentary ass is what they say because they'll say check
00:49:08
out this and I say I can't yeah and it's and it's not because I didn't want to my
00:49:13
my my buddy told me to check out who took Johnny for weeks but I couldn't we're on cases we're on to the next case
00:49:20
and sometimes if you watch this documentary and you go down a rabbit hole it's going to affect the episode
00:49:26
for next week so um anyways I'm losing my train of thought you you just you were talking about what had
00:49:35
happened we talked we set this up about a month ago that we were going to come up with a top 10 list okay yeah and so
00:49:41
the thing was we said we're going to do a top 10 True Crime documentary list top
00:49:46
10 yeah so then Nick tells me text me over the weekend or whatever I sent you my documentary list yeah top 15 top 15
00:49:56
I'm like we said top 10 top 10 I couldn't stop I started writing the list and I was like oh this one this one cuz
00:50:03
when you get to 10 and you're like oh that's the final part of the list but I got like three other things you know
00:50:09
four or five other things well we get ask a lot what documentaries we like we get ask a lot what our opinions of those
00:50:16
documentaries so we just thought it would be kind of a fun thing to do and then we wouldn't have to dive into a
00:50:21
case and uh you know for Halloween and stuff give a little break from the the goriness that we have to deal with well
00:50:30
and my quick take on the west of Memphis documentary was I like I said it didn't
00:50:35
make my top 10 list but I liked it a lot and you're exactly right the fourth installment that's the that's the best
00:50:40
way to describe it I don't know that we really need to tell a whole lot of people about this one I assume it's been
00:50:46
watched by the masses um but for me my first takeaway is it's kind of a more updated bigger budgeted version of The
00:50:57
Paradise Lost Trilogy yeah it doesn't have the same charm I don't think so what what's your number three my number
00:51:03
three came out in 2014 and it's called killer Legends have you heard of this one uh this is done by the same guy that
00:51:10
did cropsy yeah cropsy yeah I'm a big fan of Joshua Zan and uh this came out in 2014 killer Legends it's uh 85
00:51:20
minutes long audience score only 50% which is very surprising to me you said Zan yeah yeah I think he needs to drop a
00:51:28
little bit of money into the beer fund cuz we're promoting all his movies on our show well just drop a little money
00:51:35
into the beer well I actually I spoke with him about uh a couple of his documentaries and one that he has coming
00:51:41
out uh he has a show coming out called The Killing season which will be on A&E and it starts November 12 uh but I
00:51:48
wanted to get his take on some of his documentaries specifically you know cropsy and killer Legends and and killer
00:51:54
Legends uh I filled out this list before I knew I was going to talk to him uh and
00:51:59
after I saw my list I thought well you know I I should I should ask him about uh some of his his documentaries and he
00:52:06
you know this one is Great Captain because I tell you why you grow up and you hear about all these different urban
00:52:12
legends you know there's the we spoke about when we covered the uh Phantom killer you know the the man with the
00:52:17
hook you know the hook hand guy uh we also talked about uh you um what what's famous right now in in the news we have
00:52:26
these clown sightings right right that's a weird thing right with all these clowns that are scaring children or
00:52:32
they're in Parks or they're in the woods and they're scaring people so what Joshua did was he set out to to explore
00:52:40
these different urban legends and he wanted to see if there was any truth to you know was there a crime that happened
00:52:46
somewhere a long time ago and at some point the the real life story manifests itself into this urban legend right
00:52:54
right and kind of like with cropsy I mean similar thought yeah and but it's a different urban legend he covers on this
00:53:00
one yeah he's able to track some things back like you know the the the poison Halloween candy or razor blades in the
00:53:07
Halloween candy razor blades he was able to to to track that back to a case that
00:53:11
took place in Texas uh the old uh babysitter you know the blade the babysitters watching the kids and she
00:53:19
gets a strange call and oh the the Call's coming from inside the house you remember that urban legend he traces
00:53:25
that back to some real life crimes when I was a banker uh I had this lady that would come into the bank all the time
00:53:32
little old lady she maybe like 4 foot five and she had a pink walker and uh she always well I can't I'm not going to
00:53:39
say my she but she called me m the Edwood okay the Atwood and I go I couldn't understand what she was saying
00:53:47
ever but she told me one time she go oh you have a nice trick or treat and and watch out for the ra the blade and the
00:53:55
candy that's strange that she called it at word cuz you're last you're Captain Jones I even Captain Rogers Captain
00:54:02
Rogers Jones but the thing was is so every time I'd see her all I could think was you got watch out for that the ra of
00:54:10
blades in the candy anyways I hope Ruthie is doing okay out there all right where we at I just gave my number three
00:54:19
killer Legends okay and that one's on that one's on Netflix as well I have not I'm going to write that down on my arm
00:54:26
you're going to love that one that one's cuz you're kind of cons you you're into
00:54:30
conspiracy theories conspiracy theory Jones you you love the rabbit hole traveling and this is Rogers this is a
00:54:37
very uh this is very Captain is all right so let's do your number two okay cuz this is another one that I want to
00:54:44
check out that I have not seen your number three and number two right when I saw your list uh I actually wrote These
00:54:51
down cuz I thought if they're so high on your list and I haven't seen these I'd probably enjoy them my number two came
00:54:58
out in 2004 and it's called e life and death of a serial killer this is about eileene waros uh she was a female serial
00:55:07
killer in Florida she's best known as Monster right yeah they made the the theatrical version of her life was was
00:55:14
monster with Charlie's Theon yeah um and this this one is incredible and I can't
00:55:20
remember the the guy's name but you'll see him in the film and you'll recognize him he's done a bunch of documentaries
00:55:27
and Ken Burns no it's not him he he went and did Jazz and he did baseball and then he went right to True Crime docks I
00:55:37
believe eileene waros killed six men according to the court system and uh this is filmed after she's in prison
00:55:46
she's on death row in Florida and but there's it's crazy because there's all kinds of drama that's not involved with
00:55:53
her crimes there are people that are trying to get close to her because she is be she's become famous right because
00:56:00
she's a serial killer and there's all these people that want to make movies and write books about her I mean they
00:56:05
the people came out of the woodwork and they were just throwing money around like there's no tomorrow and she had a a
00:56:11
a def you know she had an attorney who was probably taking money from different people to sell her story she had
00:56:17
somebody a friend that that U that she didn't know until she was on death row who adopted her um and she had a she she
00:56:25
had a friend that adopt her yeah you can you can be legally adopted in some states even if you're an adult um well
00:56:33
the captain is off if you want to adopt the captain just uh Rite into us a contact page at true Crim garage.com but
00:56:42
only if your garage is bigger than this one and we're not moving into a smaller garage that's right we need to adopt the
00:56:47
Captain Roger Jones so check out ien life and death of a serial killer yeah now what did you think of the movie
00:56:54
Monster did you enjoy that I did I liked the movie monster but this uh this is this for me is I mean it it was tough uh
00:57:02
this by far you know this is a great number two uh and it's it's a documentary that I've watched a few
00:57:09
times it's the kind of it's the kind of movie or film that if you turn on the TV
00:57:14
if you're flipping through the channels and you see it you kind of have to you just stop and you end up watching it
00:57:19
again so I don't know how many times I've watched half of the the documentary or the whole thing what was number two
00:57:25
for the captain one that did not make your list um a soaked and bleach again maybe because I I I do like the
00:57:34
conspiracy side of things M um this was done in 2015 uh I this is what's so weird so uh
00:57:43
the Rotten Tomato Meter is at 30% unless I wrote and unless I wrote that down wrong but it says 30% and
00:57:52
77% from the audience ience so a big jump um this is not rated um run time is about 90 minutes now basically What's
00:58:04
Happening Here is Courtney Love a couple days before Kurt Cobain's uh body is found uh she hires a private detective
00:58:13
and one of the things I really like about this story is it he answers the phone on on a holiday and he's riding
00:58:22
the stuff down and he doesn't know who Kurt Cobain is it was Easter I think he answers the phone on Easter Sunday yeah
00:58:28
but it's like he doesn't know who he is now and this is uh you know the reason why I I enjoy that part
00:58:38
that he doesn't know who well first of all he doesn't know who he is he probably the most famous rocker at the
00:58:44
time one of the biggest icons you know that generation's John lennen you know a lot of people are just idolizing this
00:58:51
guy doesn't know who he is and having a father you know that was in law enforcement and stuff and and didn't
00:58:59
know who celebrities were or famous musicians people that were making a mark on on people so the fact that he didn't
00:59:07
know who he was and then it became the biggest thing in this guy's life this guy he's never heard of and and the
00:59:13
other thing that I really like about this okay I don't want to try to sell too much on why it should be number two
00:59:20
but there was a lot of hype and I would constantly see this in YouTube feeds for
00:59:25
years the they were talking about the making of this this documentary I mean years beforehand I knew this movie was
00:59:33
coming out and so as it got closer and there was actually a definitive date because like for a year and a half
00:59:39
beforehand there was no definitive date and uh when it was coming out I believe I paid for it on pay-per-view but I had
00:59:47
some friends that were really interested in checking this out and the the other thing I love about this is he takes all
00:59:54
these tapes as he's hired by Courtney Love he takes the you know they have phone conversation he records them and
01:00:01
then they reenact the tapes now I was listening to Joe Joe Rogan actually talk about this
01:00:07
and he said well I don't know if you can believe it or not they have actors doing
01:00:11
whatever and they're reenacting um little scenes no they're not reenacting the scenes those are
01:00:19
actual tape recordings of the scenes and then there's actors portraying those characters and there are some scenes
01:00:26
that are reenacted but for the most part you're actually getting to see this footage or
01:00:33
to hear this audio footage now the problem is is there's you know hundreds and hundreds
01:00:40
of hours of audio tapes and they're just they're picking and choosing what you get listen to but I wasn't necessarily a
01:00:50
huge Nirvana fan by any means um I thought you there were good ban and everything but it wasn't like you know
01:00:58
uh he was like the second coming of Christ for me or anything or Lenin you mean and he wasn't well and he wasn't
01:01:06
the second coming of of Lenin Lenin for me um but I've just always been but I don't know be I think once people
01:01:15
started and I think when it happened when I was a kid I didn't understand like okay he killed himself and there
01:01:22
was some rumors that maybe she was involved but I didn't really care or look into it
01:01:27
too much but for some reason this uh soaked and bleach was always on my radar and so I was really excited when it came
01:01:33
out uh didn't disappoint me um one of my friends would not shut up during the whole movie they kept on going that's
01:01:40
fake rain it's fake rain uh duh but if I but if I watch scenes back but no even the outside scenes there's outside
01:01:50
scenes that it's like CGI rain right I yeah I could tell yeah but I was like but it wasn't until she started bitching
01:01:58
about it that it like just threw me off and I was like uh I wish they wouldn't had that but uh it's it's definitely an
01:02:04
interesting case and I believe if you just think that he committed suicide it's enough to start making you think oh
01:02:12
possibly possibly it made me second G second guess the whole suicide I'll be honest with you and um part part of it
01:02:19
for me and probably maybe why it gets sometimes these things get a low rating as you said if the if people don't agree
01:02:26
with their with the theory that's being presented yeah um and for me that that was kind of the situation here I thought
01:02:34
it was well put together uh it was entertaining to watch the fascinating part of it to me was just what you said
01:02:41
the tapes of Courtney Love talking and she's this with is some of these recordings are within days of Kurt's
01:02:48
death and so you're getting a um you're getting a very quick reaction ction to to maybe one of the biggest tragedies in
01:02:58
her life and it's well it's authentic and it's interesting to hear if you you know you're you're when you're listening
01:03:05
to her you're trying to decide is she being legit here or am I supposed to be reading between the lines you know is
01:03:12
she is she just putting this on because and sometimes she does sound very guilty
01:03:17
of something uh in on those tapes and other times she just sounds like a grieving Widow but it but it is
01:03:25
definitely interesting it came very close to making my top 10 yeah it's defin definitely if you have a evening
01:03:32
and your and you haven't seen it uh I definitely recommend soaked and bleach that was
01:03:38
2015 uh is that one on Netflix I believe so I don't know see it's weird with the
01:03:43
Netflix cuz I just got Netflix I just got hip to the Netflix and there you know you can search and there's tons of
01:03:51
stuff but I kind of just always just browse what they kind of recommending except for that they had this stupid
01:03:57
kangaroo movie that I like Kangaroo Jack that I didn't oh no here's what happened
01:04:02
what else are you watching that it recommends Kangaroo Jack no no I I I was looking up the documentary called Joo
01:04:08
it's on the famous jazz Bas player it said Joo I hit play and it started playing this Kangaroo Jack which I
01:04:17
stopped within like a minute but it's on my playlist that I played and it recommends me some ridiculous stuff
01:04:24
because of Kangaroo Jack the people at Netflix are having fun with you I keep I've sent them 300 emails can you please
01:04:31
take this off my playlist I was really proud of my playlist I thought it was you know pretty uh I mean other than
01:04:37
like the new girl I'm I'm pretty proud of of the shows that are on it excellent number one have we reached number one
01:04:44
it's time it's time for the number one it's time for number one drum roll hold on I'm not a drummer wait
01:04:53
wait we actually both had the exact same number one here we yeah uh which weird well you know what I don't know that
01:05:01
it's entirely weird I kind of suspected that that this one would be up there pretty high for both of us that it would
01:05:08
fall into the one or two slot for both of us uh but the other the other advantage that this one has is it's a
01:05:16
Trilogy you know it's kind of it's kind of teamed up on ganged up on the other ones you know it's it's one documentary
01:05:23
versus three and one case that's always fascinated us and and every all the listeners know West Memphis 3 it's Star
01:05:30
Wars Trilogy uh well West Memphis 3 has always been one of our favorite cases and uh we discussed it on this show of
01:05:38
course but so the paradise law Trilogy is the number one for the both of us uh and the first one came out in 1996 that
01:05:45
was the um the first one it was the CH Child Murders At Robin Hood Hills uh Revelations was part two which came out
01:05:54
2001 and then Purgatory was the third and final installment in that trilogy and that came out in
01:06:01
2012 right the same year that West Memphis you know west of Memphis west of Memphis came out which you could lump
01:06:09
that together with all this and call that the part four so Paradise Lost uh 100% on rod and tomatoes by critics or
01:06:19
Audience by critics 93% by critics again that's a pretty High number cuz this is
01:06:25
a a case that there's a big division mhm and the funny there's a big division but
01:06:31
it constantly goes back and forth you got constantly have these and look I'm guilty of it too you watch a documentary
01:06:38
and you go they're innocent you watch something else you go they're guilty yeah then you hear something else and
01:06:43
you go they're innocent uh so no no uh raining ranking not ranking raing rating on that and uh just be man it's a really
01:06:55
good Halloween party it's funny too I wish they could see our costumes we dressed up it's just you know but
01:07:02
anyways yeah you're Kangaroo Jack and I'm Batman uh the the the the paradise loss for me man it's it's it's my
01:07:11
favorite I could watch it a 100 times I may have watched some of these close to that uh you know when we did the when we
01:07:18
discussed the case about 3 weeks beforehand I I ventured back and and watched these again uh the first one it
01:07:26
grips you right away like as soon as as soon as you hear the Metallica music in the background uh and and for me there's
01:07:34
a couple of Metallica songs that I cannot hear to this day without immediately my mind going to some of
01:07:40
those images from the Paradise Lost Trilogy yeah and I will say though for for someone that if there's anyone out
01:07:47
there that's not seen these before uh I think the third one was quite a bit less
01:07:52
watched than the first two but if there's anybody that's not seen these before it's
01:07:57
not it's not a lot of Investigation you know what I mean it's it's it's more of you are being introduced to the parents
01:08:07
of the victims you're being introduced to the accused um and it's a lot of their personalities uh especially the
01:08:15
first one you're you're seeing the the initial reaction to a horrible heinous crime and but at the same time you're
01:08:23
wondering are the are these teenagers that are being accused are they are they actually innocent or are they guilty and
01:08:30
and why are they being accused you start asking yourself why at some point well in the little trailer that I made with
01:08:36
the different clips of the documentaries I mean Daman akles says it pretty I think brilliantly is yeah there's a
01:08:44
tragedy there's a horrible tragedy of three kids being murdered the other tragedy if it if if that's the case is
01:08:54
that anybody in this country could be arrested for a crime that they didn't do uh now these guys claim their innocence
01:09:02
again a lot of you got to look at is there evidence this documentary doesn't do that I think the I think west of
01:09:09
Memphis kind of makes it more about evidence and and some other speculations but I think some of it is
01:09:18
um I didn't I don't think I I think I watched maybe parts of one when I was young I didn't watch it in
01:09:25
1996 but when we started going to talk about this case I've always seen a bunch of Clips but to actually sit down and
01:09:34
watch all three of them mhm and I think a lot of it is just nostalgic I mean 1996 I I was roughly uh Daman Eckles and
01:09:45
and and three the West Memphis 3 I was roughly their age you know uh big into Metallica and stuff like that so I think
01:09:52
there's a lot of nostal IC to it uh and I think that's what makes me so interested or fascinated with those
01:09:59
documentaries I'll tell you what I could watch 20 hours of Mark buyers all you know just take away everything from the
01:10:06
case I could sit and watch Mark buers for hours and hours uh but yeah the uh well they're fascinating to watch now
01:10:14
because you know hindsight is 20120 I mean these these three boys get out you know on an Alfred plead but to go back
01:10:24
and watch what happens and then go back and to watch not only um all these parents what they say about these three
01:10:32
boys but how that changes over time I mean and some of those documentaries they're claiming hey I you know I'll be
01:10:40
at your grave you're a you're a son of a [ __ ] you're all these things right but
01:10:45
then years later we know that some of these parents with because of evidence they're on the side of the West Memphis
01:10:51
3 now there's a big c big culture shift you know with because of these documentaries well and with it being
01:10:58
Halloween too we should point out that there is the famous scene with uh Mark buers shooting a pumpkin you know he's
01:11:05
got this big giant pistol and he's standing about 20 feet from it and he's just shooting bullets into a pumpkin
01:11:11
yeah and screaming this is for you the West Memphis 3 yeah and this is for you but the cool thing that the great thing
01:11:18
not only the Metallica music is great but the but the other great thing is it's like grainy and gritty and doesn't
01:11:24
look like overly produced it it's not that Hollywood right it's not Hollywood at all and I the first time I watched it
01:11:30
I watched it when it was on HBO when I when I was younger and it it blew my mind I couldn't stop watching it and it
01:11:36
it it felt like the first uh reality TV thing that that I had seen you know what
01:11:42
I mean the first one that had sucked me in like that and I couldn't quit watching it but yeah granny gritty it's
01:11:48
uh the best yeah like you said there's not going to be tons of information about the case I I really argue that if
01:11:54
you watch it like once I did the research for our episode on the case and then I watched it I kept on thinking
01:12:01
there's no information there's about 10 minutes of evidence in each one of the three movies right so it's kind of
01:12:06
confusing it's not uh like with um the Amanda Knox case and and some of the other cases that really kind of or the
01:12:14
case of John Benet Ramsay those documentaries really lay out a solid timeline Some solid evidence
01:12:23
what is what you could argue as far as what evidence is um and what is speculation uh these documentaries don't
01:12:31
do that you know so uh but I think they're fascinating and I and I I think even a year from now if you ask me what
01:12:40
my favorite I think that'd probably be always maybe number one yeah for me because it was one one of the first ones
01:12:50
you know the first ones that really um brought brought this subject to my attention well and while we're on this
01:12:58
subject I'm same for me it's still going to be my number one for for maybe forever and but uh recommended reading
01:13:05
we can't do recommended reading after we talk about all these documentaries you should watch so for this week we're
01:13:10
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01:13:17
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01:13:29
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01:13:45
do we want to run them down real quick yeah go ahead all right so mine is capturing the
01:13:52
fredman's uh Amanda Knox number nine number eight is the case of J Ramsay number seven is impostor number six is
01:14:03
cropsy uh number five is who took Johnny number four is finding Emma Philip off by F the state number three is west of
01:14:12
Memphis number two is Soaked in Bleach and number one is the Paradise Lost trilogies Captain I enjoyed your list
01:14:20
I'm going to check out uh you had a couple on there that I have not seen I'm going to check those out my list number
01:14:25
10 cropsy number nine impostor number eight making a murderer number seven the Iceman tapes number six the devil and
01:14:33
the death penalty number five dear Zachary number four who took Johnny number three killer Legends number two
01:14:39
Eileen life and death of a serial killer and of course number one is the Paradise
01:14:45
Lost Trilogy I hope everybody had as much fun at our Halloween party as we did and I hope you enjoyed our list if
01:14:51
there's any on there that you've not checked out make sure you check those out uh I do want to give a another thank
01:14:57
you to Joshua Zan for taking time to discuss his documentaries with me and remind you to check out his new show The
01:15:04
Killing season which is about the Long Island serial killer case uh and it's starting on A&E and that takes place it
01:15:11
will start November 12th it's a um it's an eight-part Series so check that out yeah that's going to be really good one
01:15:17
and hopefully maybe we can follow it and do a you know kind of a you know recap like what thought of each episode or
01:15:24
something ex he he told me watch a couple episodes and give him a call back he'd be he he said we're going to have
01:15:29
questions he goes this is going to blow your mind what you're going to see with this case yeah yeah so I'm interested in
01:15:34
it and we got to get back to our Halloween party I know that a little bit later the captain is going to caraoke
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