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Captain this this is some exciting stuff I'm excited for today's show we are going to be talking about some of our
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favorite true crime documentaries got to do a little got to clear the air a bit before we walk into
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this because we've done this twice before back in 2016 and 2018 so our list that we are presenting
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here today are not necessarily our favorite or our top five or top 10 True Crime document rri of all time right
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it's just a new list since the old List have been out so these are ones that we have watched devoured since our list
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that came out in 2016 in 2018 now you're going well what were on those lists well it's like 30
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documentaries or something so you can find that if you're listening on the Stitcher app which is free you can
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listen to all the old episodes go and dig up episodes 59 in episodes 197 for those two list or if you're a Die Hard
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then you listen to off the Record yesterday where we discussed both those list yeah and those are the people that
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we like the most they yeah when you you know sometimes you have to rank your children by which one you love the most
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or which one showers more yeah or which one you love the least well the uh off the Record people cheers to you you won
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again you're our favorite children all right yeah all right number five we're just doing five we're doing five each so
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it'd be interesting if we have my suspicion here Captain is we will have at least one that makes it onto both of
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our list well you're a betting man I am I got let's put $50 on that all right you're you I know you too well you'll
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change your list on the Fly just to win the 50 bucks that's how betting works all right without further Ado I
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get to go first so my number five but we should be clear it's it's not just a one-part documentary it could be a docu
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series right could be a long form or could be a docu series so my number five is actually long form it's an hour and
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42 minute documentary that came out a long time ago 2011 it's called a nightmare in Los
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cruus so you can find this on Amazon Prime but you'll have to buy it or rent it okay
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which I did and I did that weeks before we put out our coverage on that still unsolved case the bowling alley massacre
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in Los crues right worth the rental not only worth the rental but good enough to
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make it on my top five that I've seen since 2018 mhm you know so I I really enjoyed
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it the director is Charlie Min and Mark Meyers now Charlie Min is pretty well known for his
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continued continued participation in keeping this case in the public eye and Charlie Min is an interesting
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dude he says that you know when he was in college he saw the old Unsolved Mysteries when they presented this case
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and we talked about that when we covered it how Unsolved Mysteries kind of did like an old by the way it was one of
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their wanted segments where they were like this horrible crime happened just like a month or so ago I think it
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happened so it happened in January and Unsolved Mysteries put it on their show in early April which is a quick
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turnaround for a whole Film Production and TV production crew they just really wanted to help and they really wanted to
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put these composite sketches of the individuals that were wanted for this horrible crime on TV so Unsolved
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Mysteries they only did like seven or eight minutes on the entire case now again it was very fresh it was a very
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new case and then Charlie Min well he puts this out on in 2011 I think his original goal was try
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to trying to get it out right at the 20 year anniversary and I think he I think there was some trouble and it it took a
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slightly longer than that but he did a really interesting take on it because he he really dove into well what could be
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the motive for this because the motive in that that case just doesn't make any sense that they go in and they don't
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steal that much money the perpetrators and the result is they attempt to kill seven people that's a
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lot of damage for little reward for their their uh their attack their troubles their what they put these
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people through we had a lot of listeners from that area say that it's probably the biggest speculation in that area was
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that it was some kind of mob or gangster related hit due to the fact that the guy that
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owned the bowling alley had a bunch of problems with gambling yeah he seemed to have uh some of his own problems and as
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you said and then there's also thought that that drugs was part of the the motivation or or behind the the crime
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itself that maybe these two were not only looking for money in this robbery but maybe they were led to believe or
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had reason to believe that there could be a large stash of drugs somewhere in the the bowling alley in the business
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right so that's my number five there Mr Captain a nightmare in Los crues as said
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you can watch that on Amazon and it's a you'll have to rent it or purchase it all right so my number five is one case
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of the new Unsolved Mysteries series oh I like what you did there it's the first
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case Ray Rivera yes so Ray Rivera's was the first case that came out everybody was really excited about Netflix is
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coming out with Unsolved Mysteries and they they remixed the theme a little bit but they didn't change it too much and
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everybody was really excited but now the format Chang changed because the format
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used to be where there would be multiple cases and there' be you know like you were saying something be featured for 5
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minutes or 10 minutes and sometimes they would talk about aliens or big fooot sometimes they' talk about missing
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person cases so the format has changed the whole series is rated 74% on Rotten Tomatoes you can find Unsolved Mysteries
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the series on Netflix it's still there mhm I really thought the first case was the best case it was this guy that they
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they moved to a whole different state to work for his friend and then one day he
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gets a call and then they can't find him and when they find him it looks like he
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went through the roof of a building it was a a hotel a fancy hotel yeah and it it was one of those cases it reminded me
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so much of a when you hear of a Brian schaer or you hear of a Mara muray where you just go what that doesn't make any
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sense not only not only what this doesn't make any sense more so too is what why have I not heard of this before
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like I I don't know about you but I had not heard of Ray Rivera's case until Unsolved Mysteries and I got this
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fantastic text from the captain who was like have you started to watch the new Unsolved Mysteries yet and I said no and
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he said you'll really like the first case and you were absolutely right it's a it's a fascinating case yeah it's a
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case that I think we should even though a lot of people have seen that episode I
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think it's a good case that we could have a lot of discussion on speculation cuz the other thing fascinating about
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that case is that there's this four-page note that it was four pages the whoever
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made this note shrunk down four pages into one and it was folded in duct tape to his desk and it seems almost like
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some kind of cryptic writing but overall and I might get some hatred for this and that's fine but
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overall the series to me was maybe a five out of 10 I think they could have hit a home run but I think it's missing
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certain things and I know a lot of people say well you can't replace a host like that my argument is that with there
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being a no host and by you changing the format of it you're really losing a lot of the characteristics of
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why people liked Unsolved Mysteries in the first place and so it just it could have been called anything else and I
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think it would have still been pretty good but I don't think it necessarily had to be called Unsolved Mysteries I
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give it the whole series a five out of 10 but case number one Ray Rivera I give that a n and a half out of
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10 yeah I'm I'm with you I for for the most I like that they called it Unsolved Mysteries I like that the original
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people were back at it and working to put put this show out again a show that we love so much as as children I don't
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mind the long form and that each episode is kind of it's own Standalone case that
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doesn't bother me and I I actually thought the opposite of what you said I thought it was smart not to go with a
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host just because you you couldn't that was the problem anytime they brought it back in the past was that
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the host was always and I I thought the host always did a good job it's just it was always a let down because that's
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what we grew up and that's what we're used to right but we've seen several shows where they do reboots and that's
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kind of the make or break because the thing is if when they came back out with it the first time it was like oh yeah
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this is Nostalgia but there's nothing that really connects you in a sense of you know one of my favorite shows is is
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queery and when they replaced the host when it went to Netflix I was going am I going to like
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this these new host well you do and they're different from the first host but once you once you do if you do like
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them then you're rooting for them to do well you're rooting for them to come back it's just like if you watch mind
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Hunter the actors did such a great job you have now a relationship with these actors you want them to come back for
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season 3 mhm and I think the fact that there was no person to connect to it's like well if they came back out with
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another season that'd be cool but if they don't no big deal I want to be heartbroken well good pick by you there
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Captain um my number four is called long shot and this is from 2017 and I believe we've actually talked
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about this either you know on off the Record or on True Crime garage or or just you know to together somewhere
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before but I really enjoyed this film called long shot it's a documentary about a man who's arrested for a murder
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now the interesting thing about this was he had an alibi and his Alibi they were
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questioning it they're like yeah you were at a ball game sure thing yeah we don't believe you because we have
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somebody else who puts you at the murder scene and says you're the guy that did it right well what ends up happening is
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that they have because it's a baseball game you know there is footage somewhere camera
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footage of that game but in a weird weird coincidence they were filming and see I'm trying to discuss
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this without giving to much away but I guess at this point I got to say who cares it's 3 years old if you if you've
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not seen it yet um then you know I maybe you weren't looking to watch it anyway but the weird thing about this is that
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they were filming an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm at that actual baseball game right so they had more cameras
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there than they normally would and you had HBO who had cameras there and HBO I mean just one of the best in the
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business at at be it movies TV shows or do documentary so this one is great and the thing that I like about it too um
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you know I like things that are long I like things that are short it doesn't matter uh minutes wise as long as it's
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good this one I was surprised because when I sat down to watch it I was expecting you know most documentaries
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hour and a halfish something like that but um this one was only like 40 maybe 45 it's 40 minutes long actually I'm
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looking at my notes right now 40 minutes long so it's a quick one to get through
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and it's very interesting and I love the diagrams along the way the way that they
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lay the case out for you for and against this individual it's very easy and clear
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and concise to follow so I love that part of it and it's very entertaining very interesting and it's it's almost
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like watching a a now episode of of Unsolved Mysteries you're going to get through this this thing in about 40
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minutes and this is available on HBO this is on Netflix all right so my number four would be I love you now
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die which was released in 2019 it's 2 hours and 20 minutes it's available on HBO Max
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97% on Rotten Tomatoes it's oh that's pretty high Michelle Carter stands trial for sending aggressive text messages to
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her boyfriend encouraging suicide before he was found dead by suicide in his car
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it goes through the trial a lot and it's very sad I think depression and suicide are something that are very
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it's a very complex issue very complex case and it's one of those cases I think throughout the documentary you go well I
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see her being wrong but I don't know if that means that she's a murderer and you
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just but it's you're constantly getting pulled back and forth on on what to think of this and I highly recommend it
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I think it was very interesting and and and when they break down all the evidence it's it's definitely a a very
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interesting case so number four I love you now die Okay so we've not had any that have made both list so far right so
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my number three is called the hunt for the Boston bombers this was a TV movie it says TV
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movie but it's actually a documentary but if you look it up on IMDb it says TV movie
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2014 and of course this is the recounting of all your all your shows are old yeah yeah yeah so um this one is
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about the 2013 terrorist bombing of the Boston Marathon mhm which I still remember going back to then the this
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horrible crime taking place and then it really took me a few days to even process what what happened there in
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Boston it was such a strange terrorist attack and such a bizarre thing you know you're hearing about this the the first
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bomb went off at 2:49 p.m. April 15th 2013 mhm and I think it wasn't until that Thursday that I fully wrapped my
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head around it it was you know some sometimes these things are so shocking when you hear them on the news that it
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takes a while to to Really set in and I didn't really know what to make of it well these are very
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similar attacks to what was happening in Europe at the time so I think as far as
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law enforcement they they kind of had had a better understanding of it than than our public because it wasn't
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something that was happening uh in this manner like it was in Europe so three days
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later the FBI released images of two suspects so now they're like hey these are the guys that we think did this this
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is who we're we are looking for and then what takes place after that is the two brothers who who committed this bombing
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amongst other crimes along the way they decide to carjack um well they don't carjack him
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they I guess they were trying to get his gun or something they shot and killed a
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MIT campus police officer mhm and then they carjacked this this other guy but what they were doing was they not only
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did they carjack this guy they take him hostage but they're they're also continuing to drive their vehicle as
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well in you know tandem driver situation this guy ends up being able to escape they make a stop somewhere and he
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escapes his cell phone remained in his vehicle so now you have all these agencies that were working to find these
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two guys they know who it is now and they can track their whereabouts because of this dude's cell phone now the
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documentary itself inside the the hunt for the Boston bombers it was done on the National Geographic Channel and it
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was fascinating to see how they were able to pinpoint where the the attacks took place at the marathon what time it
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was who was in the area who was affected by it how can we get visuals of these people of the perpetrators and then
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translate that into the actual Manhunt for what they were very obviously aware of fairly early on is two perpetrators a
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minimum of two guys were involved in this thing well and also after the the initial attack the victims of the attack
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that were recovering in the hospital the ones that were still alive were giving FBI and different law enforcement agents
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the best descriptions of these individuals that they could MH and if anybody wants to see you know probably
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have heard of the the movie stronger with uh Jake Gyllenhaal but it's it's one of the best
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acting performances I think of that I've ever seen and and it has a lot to do with obviously U the Boston Marathon
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bombing so by that Friday night you know just days later on that Friday night they they are
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really honing in and closing in on these two guys and when I say they I mean think just about any agency you can
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think of was pretty much involved you had the FBI you had uh ice you had the state police you had CIA I mean just
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about anybody you can think of you had local police you had and oddly enough we just recently covered a case out of
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Somerville when you had Somerville police and and the Boston City police everybody was involved in this it was
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something crazy like um I don't know how many hundreds or maybe even thousands of
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officers agents what have you were in that area and what it boils down to is about a 20 block radius search for these
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guys and I remember watching this on a on a Friday night as it's happening there there were like camera crews in
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the area watching everything because you had Somerville and you had Watertown that day they woke up to news flashes
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and automated phone calls to the homes telling everybody to shelter in place stay in your homes because there's
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danger in the area these terrorists are in the area not only they in the area we
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are actively hunting them with guns drawn in your area so um it I thought that the the uh crime of course is
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absolutely horrible but the The Manhunt and the technology and the way that they
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hunted down these two guys I couldn't believe how fascinating it was and it's told best in my opinion in this um
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documentary from the National Geographic Channel The Inside the hunt for the Boston bombers is my number
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that [Music] all right we're back cheers mates cheers cheers cheers back to our list so so far
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you have your number five is what my number five is nightmare in Las cruus number four long shot number three
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inside the hunt for the Boston bombers so my number five is Unsolved Mysteries but the first case Ray
00:28:41
Rivera number four is I love you now die number three is starring the crispy kernel the
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lake the lake eie murders and I know that it was this is where it gets a little confusing for me
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cuz I was even looking this up it looks like there was a a really L large series
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mhm but the first three episodes are about the Amy mahalic case mhm and that's what I'm talking about the first
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three episodes it was released in 2019 it was on the ID channel I believe you can find it right
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now on Hulu I have watched this twice this was about Amy mahalic 10-year-old that went missing and murdered October
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27th 1989 to see the actual footage this is a case that we've talked about extensively I've heard you in
00:29:43
conversations at crime con talking about this case extensively it's one that I've read a
00:29:49
lot about but to see the actual footage to see the actual interviews of people that I've only read about to actually
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see see them was uh the main thing but also one of the reasons why I put it number three on the list is how much
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information is presented and how they I I think they did just did a stellar job of breaking it down there's so many
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possible suspects and they they do it in such a clear informative way but where you're
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not getting bored the whole series is not actually rated yet on Rotten Tomatoes but on
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IMDb it gets uh a 71% rating so the lake Eerie murders again crisp you get to see the crispy
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konel yelling at the camera and and I think it's it's really good documentary yeah so the first three as you said kind
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of kick off the whole thing and they're roughly what about an hour each you know
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once you take out the commercials 45 minutes each we'll say and it's really just that Amy mahalic case is is one a
00:31:05
fascinating case it's well known in that region this region of the country and it
00:31:11
was it had never been it was almost shocking that it had not been done before a long form documentary about
00:31:18
that case MH I was very happy and honored to be a part of of that portion of it that really kicks off what is to
00:31:27
be all these other cases so for I've watched some of the actual episodes since that came out and I kind
00:31:35
of cherry-pick I know a lot of the cases in this region so often I'll I'll look for one that I know or recognize maybe
00:31:44
the victim's name but haven't really done any research on it and it's all kind of fascinating
00:31:50
stuff they do show some solved cases and that's interesting to me too I love when
00:31:57
people take unsolved stuff we don't have the answer and then oh sprinkle in a few
00:32:02
solved ones along the way so you can see how it got done or some of the cases went cold you know they went cold for
00:32:10
we're talking 8 nine 10 years right especially and some of these they look like they had somebody good for it they
00:32:18
look like they had a a good suspect and you know you have situations where it's either they just couldn't put them away
00:32:24
needed some more information or they had the wrong and that's why they didn't have the
00:32:29
information cuz there is no real evidence on this dude so years later you end up getting the case solved I think
00:32:36
it's a brilliant series again I've not watched all of them or or anywhere near all of them but from what I've seen I I
00:32:43
like it very much and and uh yeah I that was going to be an honorable mention for
00:32:48
me there Mr Captain yeah I just think it's very informative and if you're interested in that case even if you read
00:32:55
a lot about it you're going to learn something and you're going to get to see people that were involved all right so
00:33:01
number two your number two all right crispy Colonel number two I went with the uh
00:33:09
Atlanta's missing and murdered the Lost Children of course this is a pretty recent one this came out in 2020 it's on
00:33:18
HBO as we are having this conversation well it is my number two as well so oh how about that there you go okay it
00:33:27
happened it's five episodes long yes is I thought it to be easy to binge yeah I think some of the episodes are pretty
00:33:40
short 40 minutes long so it's a Elena is missing and murder the lost children it's the abduction and murder
00:33:48
of at least 30 africanamerican children and young adults in Atlanta Between 1979
00:33:55
and 1981 won it gets 94% on Rotten Tomatoes pretty good score very good score yeah it it was very
00:34:06
interesting it kept me involved the entire time I enjoyed it so much that I could have watched more episodes had
00:34:13
they made them I don't think that they left anything they not that they wanted me you know not that I felt that I was
00:34:22
unfulfilled you know not that I felt that uh they left some some big mozah balls out there and didn't didn't sum
00:34:29
them up I I felt that it was very thorough very well done I didn't agree I'm not going to lie to you Captain I
00:34:36
didn't agree with 30 or 40% of it but it was it was entertaining it was it was a fascinating
00:34:43
look at this at this case and it was HBO I mean HBO is kind of the gold standard
00:34:51
in my opinion for television and for entertainment and they did not they did not
00:34:57
um disappoint yeah here here's one of the reasons why I like this as a documentary it's not a All or Nothing
00:35:05
type documentary if you watch the first Paradise loss for example that's not a Allin documentary you can walk away
00:35:15
going well maybe these kids are guilty maybe they're innocent I'm not for sure by the time you get to the second part
00:35:23
of that documentary they're pretty Allin on the idea that they believe that these
00:35:27
teenagers are are innocent and that's what I mean by all-in documentary you see this also
00:35:34
with like making the murder and some other big documentaries I thought this was very well done they I
00:35:42
think they did a really good job of going back and forth from the old footage because I think sometimes that
00:35:52
stuff can you can get lost in the old footage if they don't present it a certain way
00:35:57
but I I think the thing I liked most about it was again it just it wasn't all or nothing even when they're arguing
00:36:08
certain points they they keep reiterating this is not to to prove that Wayne Williams is innocent of all the
00:36:17
crimes he just might be innocent of of a couple um and I really like that about about the documentary I also thought
00:36:26
that was really interesting how they would take those photographs and they would turn them into ink and they would
00:36:34
Fade Into the other photographs I thought it was yeah very well done and and and very similar to like with like
00:36:41
the Amy mivic the lake Eerie murders or I love you now die or even the Unsolved Mysteries I think what you're seeing on
00:36:50
my list is a bunch of documentaries that are not you know beat you over the head
00:36:56
that here's what we believe and you better think this when the documentary is over as opposed to how some other
00:37:03
documentary documentaries have been made uh so that's my number two as well yeah
00:37:09
it was very well put together it's a it's an easy watch because it is so informative and interesting you learn a
00:37:16
lot of things not only about the case but the city of Atlanta shortly before during and after the crimes took place
00:37:24
and even the trial of of Wayne Williams with which I believe didn't go down until like
00:37:29
83 maybe even ' 84 it was a while before he was actually at trial and sentenced but I'm I'm a big fan of Kesha Lance
00:37:40
bottoms the the mayor of Atlanta and I you know I'm I'm not Democrat I'm not Republican I'm a person
00:37:48
that identifies and identifies and recognizes people who I think are of good moral
00:37:56
character and interesting brilliant people and she I think is fascinating Atlanta's got a good mayor down there
00:38:03
she cares about this case she cares that I mean look technically like 28 maybe even 30 of these things aren't closed
00:38:13
cases right you know there there there's no conviction even though the FBI and even though the prosecutors said we're
00:38:20
going to try Wayne Williams on these two cases but oh we're going to link eight or n or 10 of these to him as well and
00:38:29
it seemed like on that day you know it was when they got a conviction on Wayne Williams yes it was a celebration for
00:38:35
the city that the monster they captured him the dragon has been slayed we've put
00:38:40
him away you feel really good that day but then very quickly afterwards you're going wait a second we got all these
00:38:47
cases that are technically unsolved right and so I think Kesha Lance bottoms is doing Gang Busters work down there in
00:38:54
Atlanta I think she's fantastic ftic and her going and saying you know what I'm encouraging the police to reopen these
00:39:02
cases and the police Atlanta Police Department have said yes we're going to do this and the Atlanta Police
00:39:07
Department even UPF front and center says look at the time when this was going on we didn't really know how to
00:39:14
investigate this we had um we had problems with uh our Police Department on on different things at that time too
00:39:23
and so this is an error that we are happy to jump in and Tred to correct so kudos to the Atlanta Police Department
00:39:31
kudos to Mayor bottoms and as said she was originally a prosecutor who represented children in
00:39:38
juvenile court in the early stages of her career she was a a Magistrate Judge at one point in Atlanta so getting back
00:39:46
to her Roots a little bit before uh her days as a mayor and I thought that one opening up this case again then this
00:39:55
allows HBO go to come in and get involved and document the the case as it was back then and update us on how the
00:40:05
community feels today some people that are new to the area some people that live through this some of them being law
00:40:11
enforcement or or family members of victims or or church leaders you know people that are important to this
00:40:17
community how they feel about it then and how they feel about it today and hopefully we'll continue to get some
00:40:24
progress in that case and and I think um I think the documentary brought up some
00:40:29
interesting questions uh one you know one thing it it pointed out to me Captain that I kind of forgot about
00:40:36
was the the racist family or brothers I don't have their their names in front of
00:40:41
me right here in my notes but Sanders yeah the the thing that that jumped off the screen to me when when I was
00:40:49
watching this documentary I was like oh yeah they they did cover that portion in
00:40:54
M Hunters yeah you know they they showed them questioning these racist brothers or or racist cousins or whatever they
00:41:01
were yeah they they were surveillance them for a long time and they brought them in for questioning I think twice
00:41:07
and and basically law enforcement during M Hunter was going you're wasting your time these guys they know the routine
00:41:17
you bring them down they'll answer a couple questions then they get their lawyer right CU they're career criminals
00:41:23
they're just career bad guys they do bad stuff they know how to duck and Dodge the police well and they're part of this
00:41:30
very powerful white supremacist group in Atlanta and it wasn't the KKK it was a branch it was kind of national list or I
00:41:38
don't have that name either who I didn't even when I see that type of ignorance I
00:41:42
don't even want to write down their organization name or or burn it to memory but it was also these
00:41:49
dudes and their their dealings were very much in the world of drugs as well they
00:41:55
were doing drugs they were dealing drugs and you know there were law enforcement
00:42:00
at the time that said these guys have been too hopped up on drugs to to get away with any of this business but it
00:42:06
does uh bring up some good interesting questions and it was a fantastic documentary still available on demand on
00:42:13
HBO so I I definitely obviously the captain is backing me on this one two thumbs up watch this one and the reason
00:42:21
why it's number two on my list is this is a case that I've never really been that into I I've read some stuff about
00:42:30
it we covered it here on the show but just never really thought about you know it's like
00:42:38
take a John Benet ramsy case how many times have you just randomly Googled stuff that you just wanted to know I
00:42:46
wonder did they ever ask the parents this I wonder if they ever asked her brother this this documentary was so
00:42:53
good that it has me going through the case again or just randomly Googling pieces of information to see what I can
00:43:02
find out about it it it does again a good job of giving you information from multiple sides not really pushing too
00:43:11
hard of an agenda other than these cases need to be solved and need to people need to spend time and attention on them
00:43:19
but um but I think it does a good job of of of hooking you into the case even more yeah and it was weird for me
00:43:28
because when it was coming out I was like oh look I'm not I've been I've been pretty open book about this anything
00:43:36
that HBO puts out I'm I'm slightly interested in just because I think they do such a good job right and so I was
00:43:43
going oh they're they're going to tackle this big huge case from back in the day
00:43:50
that intrigued me to see how they would do it but what didn't intrigue me was was the case selection because as you
00:43:59
said I was never that interested in this case in recent years because in my younger days I had I felt pretty well
00:44:10
informed about the case having got the information from Robert ke's book and from John Douglas's book and then A&E
00:44:20
covered it at one time and there was American Justice took a a new look at it several times over the year so I always
00:44:27
felt like you know this was one that's been done and time and time again been there done that but this is is very
00:44:35
worth worth the watch very worth the number two spot on both of our list is it okay Captain with you if I go to my
00:44:42
number one now yeah that's how it works that's how it works well I didn't know if you had anything else you wanted to
00:44:48
throw in there um number one for me this is from the Netflix world and and it came out in 2018 in May
00:44:59
of 2018 so this would have been just after we did our last list and it's called Evil Genius the
00:45:08
true story of America's most diabolical bank heist yeah this is one a case that fascinated me to begin with but then to
00:45:17
see that somebody was going to do a documentary on it and Netflix did a bang them up job I mean a fantastic job by
00:45:25
the netf people this is also a case that sometimes referred to as the collar bomb
00:45:31
or the pizza bomber case mhm and it was a four-part series the first episode was
00:45:39
the heist two was the frozen body three was the suspects and four was the confessions confessions so it was
00:45:48
interesting it's a bizarre case it's one of the most bizarre cases that I can think of
00:45:54
offhand and yes says from 2018 on Netflix and I consider that to be a must must watch that's your number one number
00:46:03
one number one propa number one okay so mine is this number one it it it's going
00:46:11
to get a little convoluted a little bit here so it starts off my number one starts off with a docu drama which we
00:46:20
didn't say was going to be on the list but it's called when they see us it was a four-part docu drama and it's about
00:46:30
the 1989 case of five aers wrongfully wrongfully convicted of raping a woman in Central Park now what happened
00:46:43
was I watched because of one of our lists you had the Central Park 5 on your list which is a Ken Burns and Sarah
00:46:52
Burns great documentary documentary and you said you got to watch this so I watched it it was about 2 hours long
00:46:59
it's great 92% on Rotten Tomatoes oo after I watched that there was um a lot of advertisements about when they see us
00:47:13
and I saw big back in the day Dawson's Creek fan Joshua Jackson plays one of the kids
00:47:23
attorneys and so believe it was on Netflix or HBO I don't know which one it's on actually but when I saw this
00:47:34
little preview with Joshua Jackson I said let me give this a shot yes I just watched this documentary about it but I
00:47:41
kind of want to see how they portray it in the first episode they take you into these
00:47:50
interrogations of these children mhm and I don't even know if they're over the top but it I think there's a thing about
00:48:00
the Central Park 5 documentary by Ken Burns that's a little sterile that's a little more informative and less uh
00:48:11
emotive this four-part series when they see us is probably more about the emotion and less about the actual facts
00:48:22
of the case well and that's that that's natural a docu drama you know dramatization when you when they see us
00:48:31
is Netflix I I just highly recommend it it might be in the top I don't know maybe three
00:48:39
most powerful things I've ever watched like it felt really important to be watching it and I think the first
00:48:48
episode is really good and I remember watching the first episode and and getting done with it and
00:48:55
you kind of get excited it's kind of like when you watch M Hunter for the first time or you watch you making a
00:49:02
murder for the first time you watch one episode and you went damn this is good what's next right but I already
00:49:11
thought I knew the story but once they get to part four it becomes basically all about Corey wise which is the one of
00:49:21
I believe the oldest that was charged and it was basically his story about how he ended up getting convicted
00:49:29
and what where he spent time and how he spent time and and then how his connections um brought new evidence to
00:49:38
this case and it's just one of the most powerful things I've ever seen uh on TV and these kids and these teenage actors
00:49:50
portraying things in such a way that you're just I mean it it was exhausting like when I got done I I felt better for
00:49:59
watching it but I felt exhausted and and it's also really sad that if you watch the the documentary
00:50:07
and then you watch this docu drama that there's still people out there that still think these kids are guilty of
00:50:15
this crime and and you know what that is just something that I don't know that I
00:50:20
don't how far we evolve or Advance ourselves I don't know that that ever goes away for some people that when you
00:50:28
have someone who confesses to a crime there's just some people that they can't get over well they confess to it why
00:50:36
would they confess to it if they didn't do it right you know some people will never be able to get over that and that
00:50:42
whatever I mean but refresh my memory because we put I put the um Central Park 5 movie on my list back in 2016 so it's
00:50:54
been four or five maybe longer years since I've seen it the way that I remember this going down was they
00:51:00
arrested these these kids who were quote unquote Hooligans running a muck in the
00:51:06
park right and they're like hey look the interrogators are hey dude we know that
00:51:13
you did this you and your friends did this because their your friends are telling us they did it and you were
00:51:19
involved now right you're going to be in big trouble unless you start telling us
00:51:23
who in the group did this and what they did and then so now you got kids making up stories against one
00:51:30
another and for but it wasn't even friends it was like well I said kids right but it would be not friends and
00:51:37
that that was the interesting thing some of these dudes kind of just knew each other from school but they weren't they
00:51:41
weren't boys you know they weren't they weren't best friends or or maybe even friends like you're saying right or some
00:51:48
of these people they didn't even know so when the when the detective comes in and
00:51:53
says hey by the way Charlie is is saying that you're the one that raped the girl
00:51:58
and gu's like like who's Charlie you know and there's a scene where this I mean there's just so many powerful
00:52:05
scenes but there's a scene where there was a kid that is really good at trumpet and he drop drops off his trumpet before
00:52:12
he goes into the Central Park that night and he's interrogated and there's a couple times that he asked for his
00:52:20
mother and it's just gut-wrenching and to know it's really important to see these things even if
00:52:27
it's just acted out to have a really good understanding of this is how the system is or was and this is how
00:52:35
sometimes these systems are created and it's our job to to have an understanding
00:52:40
of those so we can call that out as Injustice so anyways we got our top five I'll go over mine real quick UNS solve
00:52:49
Mysteries case number one number four I love you now die number three the lake Eerie murders number two Atlanta's
00:53:01
missing and murdered the lost children and then number one when they see us also the Central Park five by Ken
00:53:12
Burns and I went with number five nightmare in Las cruus number four long shot number three inside the hunt for
00:53:19
the Boston bombers at number two we both had the same selection and a mighty fine
00:53:24
one at that Atlanta's missing and murdered the lost children and for number one I went with Netflix's Evil
00:53:32
Genius all right do we have any notables well honorable mentions some of my honorable mentions were covered in
00:53:41
your your five um but one that jumps off the page to me was the innocent man and this was Netflix M and it's it's
00:53:55
a documentary well a series it's six episodes and this was from really that doesn't seem right it says it's from
00:54:05
2012 but that that can't be right it seems from oh no I'm sorry Netflix December
00:54:11
2018 I had the wrong thing there in my notes but it's John Grisham it's built around John grisham's 2006 book The
00:54:20
Innocent Man murder and Injustice in a small town yeah Ram he wrote what the firm rain maker well let let me look him
00:54:31
up I think that's right I mean they were both fictitious great great movies but uh the client the Pelican Brief the rain
00:54:41
maker yeah the firm The Firm yeah the firm is funny though the time to kill is a great movie he he just loves lawyer
00:54:49
movies and he loves to put them in the South that's his that's his uh bag of tricks but I watched The Firm the other
00:54:56
day and it it just doesn't hold up as well you know you know what does hold up a movie that I could watch a hundred
00:55:03
times the rain maker oh that's a great fantastic CLA D and uh Matt Damon so Danny deito oh he's great in that one uh
00:55:15
what's what were we talking about okay so one of the ones that should have been higher on my list or should have been I
00:55:21
guess on my list is the case against Adon Sayed which was a four-part documentary um HBO which you can find
00:55:32
out on HBO another one that I thought was pretty good now this is my oldest one on
00:55:38
the list was beware the Slender Man which is HBO as well another good one and then have you seen I'll be gone in
00:55:47
the dark okay which is HBO as well I was actually thinking about that on my way to the garage
00:55:57
today because I have watched the first episode but I got several more to go so we'll see here Captain does it make the
00:56:08
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00:56:23
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00:56:31
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00:56:39
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