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foreign [Applause] [Music] [Applause] how can a case where they've told us so little
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be so big right this case is just it seems huge it seems really small on the outside when you when you look into it
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and you're like oh well we have a a couple seconds of a video clip of somebody walking on a bridge we have a
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couple seconds of some guy talking saying guys down the hill and then you look into it and you're
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like wow this is a huge huge case and part of that has been I think a lot of a lot of it is due to
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speculation and we talked about this quite a bit before is right now anytime some some guy does something super
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violent sexual nature resulting in Murder any of those different things we're seeing them
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being brought to the Forefront of being a possible suspect in the Delphi murders
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case right and not just individuals that are arrested in Indiana but anybody that's arrested that has ties to Indiana
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well one guy we talked about was Paul Etter okay now he is super interesting for a million reasons but one thing that
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you and I keep keep going back to is DNA okay so early last week what came out was that the sheriff states that the
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Delphi murder investigators have requested Etters autopsy results as well as his DNA
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okay so this guy was 55 years old he's dead he committed suicide after a standoff with police
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where he was in the standoff with police because he had he had attacked a woman he abducted her while she was changing a
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tire on the side of the road and Tippy Canoe County which is not terribly far from Delphi well she actually didn't she
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actually like break down right by his house yeah something the way that the the story
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works that that I read anyway was that he she broke down on the side of the road right in front of his property
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right very early in the morning like at like 4 30 in the morning yeah he offers to help her and she's
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she's kind of creeped out by this dude so she decides you know I don't need any help and just continues on
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well right and we but we make some leaps here like one of the things that I've heard was okay well this Adder guy
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creeped out his victim and that we we know that Abby and Libby were creeped out enough to take pictures of the guy
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Bridge guy and so some people make that leap that this girl felt the same thing that Libyan Abby felt
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he ends up following her and abducting this woman eventually he lets her go after rape and sexual assault
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and then the police catch up with pauletta because he's driving around in a stolen vehicle yeah
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after the standoff he commits suicide and now we find out that the sheriffs they're saying that the investigators
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requested his autopsy results and his DNA and we've seen DNA requests before and we've we've talked about this before
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but to me this really solidifies for me what I believe there to be DNA and you say well Nick why are they even
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questioning why are you Nick Colonel Captain why are you garage idiots questioning the DNA well we're
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questioning the DNA because in the beginning the investigators made it sound as if
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they had it and then at some point that went away from their right their press releases and from their what their words
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that they were choosing to use to the public it just disappeared and so then you have to question is there something
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wrong with the DNA or did they not have it or did they speak did they speak out before they knew if they were going to
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have it or not yeah and one of the statements that they made again that makes me question it where I think would
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make any big question is the idea that they say look we're not going to clear anybody
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we're not going to do that we're going to call it checked or or they've been we've gone over that person he's been
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checked yeah we're not going to say that they've been cleared until somebody's arrested and somebody's convicted
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and then the next statement is if they are convicted right meaning that this law enforcement officer believes that
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they might one day arrest somebody but might not be able to get a conviction that's what it makes it seem now there
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might just be playing it safe and that's fine and I understand that but if they're not playing it safe and
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that statement is a true statement that makes you question if they have DNA because if you have somebody that you
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arrest for the crime you have DNA plus you have other evidence why wouldn't this be a slam dunk
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well and then one thing too is we discussed the reasons why you would ask someone to submit their DNA even if you
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did not have this you're doing it as a scare tactic as a way to see if this suspect will squirm right and and
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immediately become uncooperative in your questions and in your investigation and
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then you go well we should be checking into this guy further because he doesn't want to seem to help us with this double
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homicide of of two children I mean yeah you can be guilty of a lot of bad things
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but nothing as bad as this so you you you would think persons would comply and offer their assistance at the
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very least to just get their name off of this investigation well you see this similarly with um asking people to take
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a lie detector we know that we can't use that in a court of law but we're going to use it to kind of see how you play
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play out this hand right and so the thing though that really kind of I'm really going the way of yes they
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have DNA and I've always kind of been that way on this on this case but I feel like the longer that we look into it the
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the stronger my feeling is in my the higher my confidence level gets that they do have DNA and so it just doesn't
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make any sense to me when people yeah I I I'm leaning your way I I have some reservations about it but at the
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end of the day it's like why would they keep bringing up the idea that they're going to test individuals and even law
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enforcement kind of said look it would be there'd be very surprised if if Etter is
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is connected in any way but is it just a statement that they're making to the public to let them know
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we're doing everything in our power yeah well not only that you have you have the public saying this guy's a
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suspect and if if the public considers him a suspect then law enforcement better as well at least to the point of
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check into him like you said he's been checked and then move on to your next guy and I I think that's where the
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argument comes in where people start to question if there's DNA because they're going oh there's been all these suspects
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in the Public's eye right the police and investigators and FBI are saying we're checking into this guy that we've been
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made aware of now because he's been arrested for something else and then we never hear anything as far
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as the guy being cleared and like you pointed out that's for good reason they've already said early on that they
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are not going to clear anyone whether they whether they get somebody's DNA and they compare it to what they have on
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file the sample that was left at the crime scene and they might go well he's been checked he's been checked we know
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they may know that that person did not do it but they're not going to say that publicly until as you said Captain
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somebody is sitting in court and sitting through the court the the trial process well let's
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break that down a little bit because that didn't make a lot of sense to me why why would you not state that
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somebody's cleared if you cleared them and and one of the things that they were saying is that if you come out publicly
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and say uh Logan for example you know the girls were found on Logan's property Logan was
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arrested on other charges if they go through and check Alibis and do some things they go okay well Logan is
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cleared and then it comes back that he's not cleared and they arrest him and they
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go to trial that just the statement that the law enforcement at one point cleared
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this individual that could be reasonable doubt right that gives the jury Reasonable Doubt and
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so that makes a lot more sense and because then you're fighting an uphill battle you're you're now saying well at
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one point we cleared this individual but now uh no and and so if if at one point law
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enforcement said this person wasn't involved that would like you said gives you probable cause to go well I uh or
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gives you a reasonable doubt to go you know if they weren't sure at one point how am I supposed to be sure
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well the the other thing that really strengthens my belief that they do have DNA one I'm just going back to the
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beginning and realizing and knowing and reminding myself that they said they had
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it at one point and I see that it's disappeared from their narrative I'm fine with that and I get why I think
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that is and I think it's smart and I'll get into that in just a second but the thing that really strengthens my belief
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that there is DNA here is they're requesting it from a dead man and we know this to be true per per the
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news reports that were coming out last week and on top of that the way that the the wording that they use when they
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state that is that they requested it shortly after this guy committed suicide shortly after Paul Etter killed himself
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so the thing the thing is it's no longer a scare tactic if there's nobody to scare right it's just simply collecting
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evidence at this point and so that really strengthens it for me on that level and then I've recently viewed a a
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short interview where um Kim Riley one of the officers one of the investigators with the state police he's
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not at the on the local level he's on the state police where he here's the thing with these with these with the
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investigators here they're all doing a very good job they're they're trying to field and answer as many questions as
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possible they do have a let's say script or a narrative to try to stick to that they've all agreed upon but on occasion
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because they are being so transparent or at least with what what they're willing to share
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and their availability to be in front of the public and to answer questions on occasion you can catch a little bit
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of a slip where you're like oh I don't know that they were supposed to say it like that or well think about all the
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emotions that they're carrying around yeah so in one in one of these little news Clips I saw Kim Riley stating you
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know basically he's being asked if you have DNA or if you have so much evidence on this guy
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why hasn't there been an arrest and he was saying well there's we and he's trying to be hypothetical but you
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can tell in a way he's probably talking about what's actually going on with the case he says you know well we might have
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a situation here where this person has never done anything before and we just don't have any way of tracking him down
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or tracing this individual right so that really that statement to me really makes
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me feel like the police at least believe that they're working on a suspect that bridge guy has not
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been convicted of anything where he would have his DNA profile already submitted to CODIS and then when when he
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goes further to say wouldn't have anything to track no way to trace this individual that also makes me wonder if
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they have fingerprints as well but they're just not in the system that we do have stuff we just we need to find
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the right guy the right person bring him forward and and have his fingerprints and or DNA
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to compare this to and so I I feel good that I think that it's there I think the reason why you go
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back and you go back and you go oh [ __ ] we talked about DNA let's kind of just
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drop that from the story and not bring it up again because and then there's other times
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where we have somebody like Daniel Nations who says I submitted my DNA and you never hear from police saying that
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they that yeah we asked him to do so or he did submit it anything like that they
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just say he's somebody we're not really that interested in I think the other thing if you do in fact have DNA or as
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some guys up in the Amy mihalovic case like to say bait in the net which I always thought that was a strange way to
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word it but if you do in fact have DNA you might want to drop that from The Narrative just for the fact that you
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want this guy to slip up why do you find that weird and bait baiting the net I just saw
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so when when uh the investigators Watertown right I mean they're they're by water right but what I mean by that
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is when they're asked if they have DNA um most of the time their answer is well we have bait in the net
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rather than just giving you a a clear General right clear General understanding sometimes they've given a
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better answer than that but but for a while they were sticking to that bait in the net kind of thing which is fine
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um anyway what I was getting at though Captain is here you have a situation where if you do have DNA of this guy and
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he is not in the system he has not committed any offenses that he's been caught for to the point where he would
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be in the system now you're going you know what let's drop that from The Narrative because we
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wouldn't mind terribly if he goes out and commits an offense and gets caught for it right I mean
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we're nobody's saying nobody's suggesting hey go out and and murder somebody so we can catch this guy well
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we're what we're you're hoping for is could he get picked up for a DUI could he could he do something dumb you know
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anything that would warrant a felony arrest from my understanding in Indiana now you were forced to submit your DNA
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you might end up catching your guy but let's be clear about that so every state is different but in the state of Indiana
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if you are arrested with something that you can be charged a felony for you don't have to actually be charged you
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don't have to actually go through the process and be found guilty but when you're arrested they'll swab your DNA
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and they're going to take your fingerprints and all that that's how they enter you into the system yeah and
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I think you were saying that that didn't pass until 2017 and and then they don't
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implement it until 2018 or whatever that yes that's my understanding of of the way that it's going down in Indiana and
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as you said it gets difficult for us to remember there's 50 states and they're all kind of doing that stuff a little
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different from from state to state here's the other thing though Paul Etter is in fact we know that they went after
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his DNA according to the words that they chose to use and made it sound like it was
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shortly after he killed himself so now we're looking at a month ago you would think if he is the guy he's
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not alive for you to even bother talking to him right I feel like he's trying to
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gather more information that's true just because we've not heard does not mean he's not the guy but do you think he
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makes a good suspect because the initial the the thing I jump to immediately is yes Paul Etters a horrible individual
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uh he abducted and raped a woman but he let her go we're looking for a killer not a
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not necessarily just a rapist and we don't know the the Mounds of possibilities are are endless
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and and that gets a little um it can make everything convoluted but I think what we we have here is an
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individual that possibly could look like Bridge guy I mean we're only seeing just
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like a headshot of this individual but you go okay here's this guy that has uh committed crimes before violent crimes
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sexual in nature is it possible that he he did this uh double murder and then uh
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kind of went on a spree if if you will that or or had a you know weird Universe uh the universe puts
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um for lack of a better word prey right by his house and their early morning he attacks her for whatever reason maybe he
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knows that this has gone too far we've seen this with other Killers with other attackers where they uh where afterwards
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they'll say that I'm never doing this again or or they take their own life maybe he knew he was going to take his
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own life and for whatever reason it's like okay I did this double murder that's been on my mind now I did this uh
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this uh basically tortures what it was the sexual assault rape torture I'm going to take my own life and maybe
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that's why I let her go and then he takes his own life I mean I mean I understand that there's a five hour
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standoff but we we can't know for sure what was going through this guy's head but it is that's a possibility so when
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people say well he let this other uh victim go and he didn't let you know that that
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rules him out and so people so many people's mind I'm like I don't think that rules out anything
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because we don't know what's going on in this sick individual's mind right I agree I I but I tend to lean
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toward I I don't know that I'd make him the top suspect partly in part just because he did let
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that future victim go and from the way I'm I'm viewing this thing it looks to me like he may have got away with that
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and I hate to say this out loud he may have gone away with that whole attack and rape if he had not let her go
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and it's just the well and the other thing that makes me question it too is again is his age well and that's what I
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wonder because he had to have some knowledge that she had knowledge of where he was from
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and maybe she didn't know that area that well but where she broke down and so by
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letting her go it's almost like you're setting free the person that is going to basically be your downfall and the
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reason why you get captured but again if your vehicle breaks down in front of this guy's house and he comes
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walking out or in front of his property and he he very clearly comes walking out
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and you go well he must have lived there I mean that's probably the first thing you're going to say you might not know
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the the numerical of the address that you broke down in front of but you're gonna go hey I was on on uh I such and
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such yeah last week I had the note I had the street name in my notes but yeah you
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could go I was right around this area on such and such street guy comes out of his house four o'clock
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in the morning yeah and now and then you can identify the guy and what's interesting to me about
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the whole connection with with Etta is um he kind of has a bulbous nose would you say it's bulbous
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yeah and I've actually yes well and I'm I'm using that term uh uh for in this case because I've
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actually seen several videos where they're doing new profiles of Bridgeman and they start talking about that he has
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a a characteristic that we haven't noticed and the past and I've actually seen this
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from at least two individuals where they're saying he has a character that we didn't notice but now we notice he
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has a bulbous nose and I wonder if that is these online armchair Detectives if this is their way of them Shifting
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The Narrative okay well we have this guy in custody is he a perfect match for a bridge guy
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no like you said logically he attacks one attacks two individuals kills them lets another one go that doesn't seem to
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line up really but um he's he's 55 and which would be past the actual age range that they they gave us
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right from yeah from the most recent press conference the the big one that kind of blew everything up in April
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they're saying 18 to 40. is the age that they believe that they're looking for and so even you know even two years ago
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Paul Etter would have been 53. now I am sitting here looking at a mug shot of his from 2012. I'm not I don't have a
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full understanding of what his charge would have been back then but it appears to be a mug shot from 2012 right
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so seven years ago he would have been 48 I will I will say this about Paul he could probably now mind you this is a
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very small sample size he's bald if he had hair it would help quite a bit more but I I could maybe see him passing
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for 43 in this picture yeah and he would be about 48 so he does look younger or appear younger than what he
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is which that's also part of what they said in their release that we're looking for someone probably between the ages of
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18 and 40 who may appear younger than their actual age right but the the tricky thing here though is didn't they
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also claim in this description that the the perpetrator Bridge guy had you know kind of a reddish hair
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well in the first sketch yes the first sketch that was released it appears to be reddish hair I what were they saying
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about the second sketch do they get the hair color for that one I thought that's
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the one that they said reddish okay and so that that makes me question I mean when people still bring up Logan because
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the girls were found on Logan's property again clearly Logan has gray hair clearly Etter has a you know salt and
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pepper here I would say but leaning more gray so I don't know uh well unless that
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I I have some issues and I think anybody should have issues with the idea that you have as you have
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two sketches that they claim were happen at the same time they went with one over
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the other they look like two different individuals to me I'm having a real hard time the more we dive into this case I'm
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having a hard time actually believing any of this as far as eyewitnesses go well I think I think somebody that's
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still of very big interest to me is Thomas Bruce who is thankfully in jail waiting
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on something to happen with his current case right where he is facing a murder charge and sexual assault and rape
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charges he's the one that went into the Catholic supply store for and ordered the women to the back of
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the the the establishment right and attacked and assaulted and killed one of them there the way that this thing goes
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down and I can't remember I know we went through his timeline somewhat but he left the store at one point under
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the guise of going out to get a credit card from his car which he returns and I I'm assuming that's when he went out and
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got the gun from his vehicle and this guy is weird too because again the age is wrong with him the the difference
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between him and Paul Etter is we know Thomas Bruce to be a killer the thing that also I find fascinating about
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Thomas Bruce is it doesn't appear that he's been in any kind of trouble before this strange attack right that results
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in the murder and I I don't know I'm I'm not saying that Thomas Bruce is the guy I'm just saying
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on the on the outside looking in he looks a little more like the guy to me in a sense that
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it seems like he committed a crime of opportunity that maybe when he did enter that store
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the first time I mean look we know he left the store and came back so there was something in
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his plan that he needed from the vehicle or something that he needed to readjust
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before he carried out the attack or he wasn't 100 planning on attacking the place when he first walked in there yeah
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how many individuals were in there I think it was like three women were in there and and again so logic would tell
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you okay well so Adder attacks a single female and then obviously Libby and Abby being
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two females but in this other case with Bruce then you go well he he had no problem going hey there's three people I
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can control this and his brain right and so that's the same scenario as Libby and Abby
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so you're out in the park you see these two girls walking and you think that's an opportunity and I I really think that
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that narrows down the individual quite a bit because there's a lot of individuals
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that they're not going to try to control two two victims they're not going to try
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to to tell most of these perpetrators that's too big of a situation and so you know logic would tell you
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that that's a good match yeah and the other thing too is Thomas Bruce was even let's say he did not plan on
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attacking those women at the Catholic supply store until after he went in there the first time
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he obviously was prepared to do something like that in some form or fashion even just to the point where he needed
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to go out to his vehicle and get something possibly and that's what I think he I think this
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dude had a had a kill kit rape kit in his vehicle yeah and he saw an opportunity or maybe
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he was planning on maybe he was watching and casing the place and saw his opportunity
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and right but he goes and retrieves the kill kit rape kit from from the vehicle right again same type of thing though as
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you don't know who's going to be on the trails you don't know who's going to be at the park that day
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but you just bring this stuff with you but you were prepared to do something if an opportunity presented itself right
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which again same as the first attack foreign [Music] so let's talk about the suspect's age
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one thing that I find and the sketches as well so one thing that I find completely fascinating like you were
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saying when you see these two sketches they're completely different from one another
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and and that's frustrating as hell right in a whole bunch of ways they're completely different from one another
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and then we have the statement of the suspect we believe we're looking for a guy between the ages of 18 and 40 who
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may appear younger than what he is well what's the population on people 18 to 40. I mean that's a that's 22 years that
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we're spanning and then Okay so we've been told that those sketches both sketches were developed by eyewitnesses
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that saw a man matching that description whether it be sketch a or sketch B that
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day near the bridge or on the trails that day right so again it's it's it's weird that we have two completely
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different sketches and then on top of that here's here's one thing that I really wonder about the age range here
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because you should be able to look at somebody's face if you're going to describe them to the point where
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somebody can draw a sketch you should be able to answer the question of does he look 18 or does he
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look 40. rather than I couldn't decide if it was 18 could have been as late as 40. what I
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wonder here is because we have the two sketches and they're two so different from one another
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are they not ruling out the possibility of either sketch being correct and and police are thinking that he looks
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younger in one sketch than he does in the other and therefore now we have a a range of
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20 to 22 years for the possibility well see I just wonder at first um based off of eyewitness
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based off of the video footage that they had if they just went you know what this
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this eyewitness gave us this this um drawing we were able to look at that drawing look at Bridgeman look at the
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the video footage that we have because we're assuming that they have more video footage
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for the rumor is they have a lot more footage um I could not get that confirm I have a
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weird situation where I do have a contact that actually worked the case I can't get into that too much
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uh but some of the information that I have I have passed along to them just to see if they can confirm or deny uh
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sometimes um I don't wanna I don't know how to say this but I I think sometimes it's almost like if they can confirm it
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like they just won't um not they're not trying to be jerks or anything but it's it's so it's almost
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like uh you know like oh I heard they have a lot more footage can you confirm or deny that and then it's like no
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answers but it's really like basically they're confirming what I'm saying so I think they have a lot more
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footage than what they're leading on to believe and so what what if it's just this
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simple I saw this guy on the bridge okay he looks like this okay we do a drawing
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that drawing kind of looks like Bridge guy kind of looks like this grainy video footage we have of the individual you
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get the next eyewitness they give you a whole different person you kind of compare that with Bridge guy
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your gut feeling tells you no you that's why you went with the first drawing my argument is that we have
00:32:09
all these people coming forward or not all these people but we have a handful of people saying well we saw these this
00:32:15
guy on on the path that doesn't mean that they actually saw the Killer they just saw a guy on the path right
00:32:24
and that's what I can't get over because I believe this uh where he took them to to go down
00:32:35
buy roughly by that service road keep going down across the river I think that was all by Design
00:32:46
and I think it's more than likely it was either to take them to a more remote situation
00:32:57
but even if that was the case and there was no vehicle down there I either think he was trying to take
00:33:02
them to a remote situation and that's where his getaway was or it was let me take him to this remote
00:33:09
situation and then whatever happens happens but then when I'm leaving I think this individual knew that area
00:33:19
so well that they didn't have to leave back on that path so then I question are these
00:33:27
are these eyewitness accounts even of the murderer well we don't know what we do know is
00:33:36
that they tell us that the what we're seeing in the video the the man in the video Bridgeman is is the Killer
00:33:43
and then we're getting these two sketches of people that were seen in the area on the paths and
00:33:52
the the sketches to me are fascinating in the sense of thinking about it this way as well
00:33:58
so let's assume in this situation right you would assume that you would have one
00:34:06
person that you wouldn't know who they are that's the killer the Killer's not going to come forward
00:34:12
and say well that was me on the path there that day we find that highly unlikely okay not that it would never
00:34:19
happen but we know it probably has not happened to this point but let's say both of these people and
00:34:28
multiple people that offered up this this person that they claim to have seen that day
00:34:38
if we're to believe all of them then we have two persons at least two people that don't look
00:34:44
anything like each other so I'm gonna go ahead and say two people right that are
00:34:48
unknown to us at this time when we should only have one and so then you and I were talking about
00:34:54
this and you brought up a good point and I countered it with a with a another good point
00:34:59
you said well then it also make now that makes me wonder how many other people you have
00:35:04
that you're that are unknown to you yeah it's not like you walk into the park and
00:35:09
you check in you know or that there's some like camera that you have to go buy and then
00:35:16
we can go well we know that there was a hundred people there that day and and 98
00:35:20
of them are accounted for 99 of them are accounted for one thing I question in this though is there a chance that we
00:35:27
that there's a person that's been made up that they're they could dive into that
00:35:33
further so what I mean by that is where where we're sitting here going okay if both of these sketches are correct then
00:35:38
we have two people that have not come forward two people that are unknown to us right and then you brought up the
00:35:45
good point that well if you got two then maybe you have more and I I agree with that possibility as well I also
00:35:53
think about the idea of maybe we don't have two people that were there what if one of these people is just a bad
00:36:00
description of of a person that's already come forward right what what if for whatever reason somebody look they
00:36:09
had the best of intentions they're trying to help they're misremembering and they're describing somebody that
00:36:14
they didn't really see they saw somebody else instead or it's a mashup of multiple people that they saw that day
00:36:20
right and we we also don't know when we're getting these reports and so what we do know at one point you know the
00:36:28
we know okay correct me if I'm wrong but we do know that that the father was there looking for the girls yeah Derek
00:36:38
was there we know he was there because he he was in charge of picking them up that day and I I could see
00:36:45
you know somebody giving a bad description and saying that bridge guy kind of looks like him
00:36:50
kind of see that I I think uh the grandfather looks more like Bridge guy number one the drawing
00:36:57
again is are there are these people searching are they asking for eyewitnesses did somebody come forward a
00:37:05
week later and say yeah I saw this guy and give you a bad description and all they saw was
00:37:12
um you know Derek looking for the girls from my understanding both of those sketches and I'm just going off of words
00:37:19
that and mind you they're choosing their words very carefully [Music] but from press conferences and from
00:37:26
interviews that police and investigators and State Police have done with with the public and the media
00:37:33
those two sketches from everything I've seen were developed within 48 Hours of the girls going
00:37:39
missing right and and both were both they came up with both sketches because they were
00:37:46
eyewitness statements and accounts and look you have uh was that there's like a meat packing place pretty close by a lot
00:37:55
of sex offenders there there's a lot of sex offenders in the area it's very possible that somebody was
00:38:02
just taking a hype not doing anything bad but has a record or has a kind of a dark history that it's just not going to
00:38:10
come forward I just don't see and again we don't know because it's not that that information hasn't been put
00:38:19
out there they're not saying that this eyewitness saw the person coming back through an entrance or an exit
00:38:26
so we don't know where they actually saw this individual right well right the police know I can't say for
00:38:36
certain but the the things that I'm seeing reading hearing is okay so we talked a little bit about
00:38:43
the flannel shirt man the flannel shirt man is believed to be one of the witnesses to seeing
00:38:50
one of these individuals in the sketch and I believe I think the general thought is that
00:38:55
flannel shirt man saw what he described to be the first sketch that came out okay so the slight the the older looking
00:39:03
of the two in my opinion and the thing is it the way that this has been described is that this Man based
00:39:12
off of his timeline would have seen the bridge guy on the trail on the 501 trail walking
00:39:23
away from the Moon and high bridge and he's believed it's believed that bridge guy was leaving at that time
00:39:32
leaving the area in the process of doing such so we know from Derek's statements as well
00:39:39
Derek Saul the flannel shirt man when he arrived around 3 15 to pick up his daughter
00:39:47
so that that would put flannel shirt man and Derek at the intersecting trails at
00:39:54
505 and 501 around 3 14 3 15 P.M now flannel shirt guy is going to say that he saw Bridge guy around this same
00:40:05
time but he also saw Derek so we we have a general marker and place marker for where Bridge guy may have been around
00:40:15
three let's back it up and say 310 to maybe 3 20. and the the thing that I would love to
00:40:23
see the most in this guy's statement and flannel shirt guys statement is is it police saying that bridge guy was
00:40:32
leaving at that time just basing everything off of the known facts of the case and and their timeline
00:40:39
or was that that dude's statement he was leaving why would he know if the guy's coming or going or anything
00:40:46
different that seems a little strange to me I would love to know if that's if that's flannel shirt guys words or if
00:40:52
that's the investigator's words because that would be about the time he should be leaving right we know they
00:41:00
were alive and well at 207 and then we have statements from the family saying that around 3 30 or so
00:41:08
the phone was going straight to voicemail wasn't even ringing anymore the thing is we have a very a very small
00:41:16
window things happen very fast that day once they started going wrong right we're talking this attack in murder and
00:41:25
everything happened between 207 and 3 30. and you can even Whittle that down faster
00:41:33
if you believe some of the other known statements right so let's go through this real quick 207 that picture's taken
00:41:41
there's no Bridge guy on the bridge at that time they say that it would take seven
00:41:46
minutes for somebody to walk that bridge now that's if you're walking you're very
00:41:52
mindful of your steps you're you're you're watching your steps as you go along you're being very safe cautious
00:42:00
I actually think Bridge guy moved a lot faster than that wasn't so cautious I think that's what probably alerted the
00:42:07
girls that this dude is weird that he's something is up right or scary right I think they look back on the bridge and
00:42:16
all of a sudden this guy's on the bridge and he's moving and he's moving at a good Pace he's not running you can't run
00:42:22
on that bridge but he's moving at a good pace and not only is he moving at a good
00:42:26
Pace he's he's watching his steps and he's turning and he's checking behind him every now and then to make sure
00:42:31
nobody is behind him nobody's behind him with their and they're thinking yeah what should this guy care if
00:42:40
nobody's behind him and why is he moving so fast well again so he doesn't want to
00:42:44
be seen so then I then I question because did he try to make the girls cross the
00:42:52
water or or did they actually make a run for it you know uh I heard somebody say
00:42:58
that they think that it was his idea for them to cross but that's probably where
00:43:03
he lost control of them and that's why they you know he took their lives on the other side
00:43:10
but you know we don't know the details of how he took their lives other than they we believe there was a
00:43:19
weapon involved so we know that but then we also know that there's a very good possibility
00:43:27
right what almost at least 100 chance that he was wet on some level and so again he would have to be at some
00:43:36
point that day he he was in the water right and that's again what makes me believe that he didn't backtrack
00:43:44
okay now this is done let me get back on that main trail I know I don't know those trails that
00:43:51
unless he had to you know what I mean I I get what you're saying I I'm fully because of the bridge
00:43:56
right so it when I look at this thing if you were going to try to plan this out and make it go down without any problems
00:44:05
at all here's how it goes down you you see them a little bit after 207 and and this is
00:44:12
the thing you would actually go down Trail 505. the Less Traveled Trail the 501 leads to
00:44:21
the monin High Bridge okay but on the 505 when you walk down there and you get Creekside
00:44:29
I'm wondering if there's a spot down there because what happens is picture a v right the the trails start off
00:44:37
together and they don't when I say intersecting it's not an X it's more of a of a thin V where one goes off to to
00:44:47
one side a little bit but you're basically walking these trails and and a friend of yours could walk on
00:44:54
the other and and really you just have a small tree line separating you for a while and then it extends it extends it
00:45:01
extends and you get a little further and further from one another but what I'm getting at is somebody could sit there
00:45:06
could post up on the 505 down there near the creek and you could spot people coming I'm guessing because
00:45:16
I've never been there but I would think that you might be able to see people approaching the bridge
00:45:22
from your Viewpoint and if you see what you think to be your possible victims there it's just two people there's
00:45:31
nobody else with them and there's nobody else around or on the bridge at that time that's when you you don't have to
00:45:37
go back out to that main trail you could cut across and really you're going to end up right at the front of the bridge
00:45:44
and so at 207 they're fine but this guy didn't take seven minutes to move across that bridge he moved
00:45:52
across that bridge in five or four he he was faster he was moving faster than if somebody was watching
00:46:00
their steps mm-hmm he scooted across that bridge that puts us at 12 after two and then he is if we're to believe that
00:46:11
the eyewitness statement is correct and it is in fact Bridge guy then that puts him back at that
00:46:18
intersection of the trail and out one hour later so a lot of things have happened during that time
00:46:24
and I'm with you though Captain if you were to plan this thing out perfectly once you see them get to the other side
00:46:30
of the bridge they're completely compromised now you go oh well all of most likely anybody that could help them
00:46:37
or anybody could that could view what I'm doing they're on the backs they're on this other side of the bridge right
00:46:44
the girls are on the opposite side of the bridge that's where I'm going to get them that's where I'm going to take
00:46:49
control if you I mean you just watch the words and you you map out a quick little
00:46:54
location of where they were found you can see down the hill across this little uh
00:47:00
driveway that that actually looks like a road and then it's down the hill more across
00:47:05
the creek and then they're found right there both of their bodies are found right there if you were to plan this out
00:47:12
perfectly you probably would have parked your vehicle in the graveyard where there are little roads
00:47:19
that go back by the trees you could have put your vehicle over there and after killing them you could have walked
00:47:25
through the woods up to the graveyard never going on a trail again the only Trail you have anywhere near
00:47:33
you on that opposite side of Deer Creek are the horse trails for Ron Logan's Farm
00:47:39
but those aren't those are horse trails they're not traveled by the the people that are
00:47:44
visiting the bridge or the park so that would be if if you wanted to to not be seen after the attack that would
00:47:52
be your where you would really want to park your car now the issue could be though
00:47:58
he he didn't know that he didn't know exactly where he was going to do this attack or exactly how it was going to go
00:48:06
down and maybe his vehicle was left elsewhere beforehand mm-hmm and one thought is the the vehicle that was
00:48:14
parked at the abandoned building which that would have required him to go back up that trail in the opposite way
00:48:22
you would probably try to walk off the trail as much as possible but at some point you might have to pop back onto
00:48:28
that that trail well it's kind of hard to kind of visualize some of this stuff because
00:48:34
like the entrance where the girls were dropped off at I believe they have like a new gate
00:48:39
there so that looks different than the day of the murders and then where the abandoned
00:48:46
car was there's no abandoned or well where the car was by the abandoned building
00:48:53
there's no abandoned building anymore so um but it kind of looks like a little Service Road in between like a highway
00:49:02
where that car would be parked and then it would be facing depending on where you're parking you'd be looking right at
00:49:08
the freedom Bridge yeah so you have yeah you have the what was that Highway 25. is right there on
00:49:18
your on to your left here's an interesting thing to think of though too okay so if that was his car
00:49:26
at parked at the abandoned building he would have had to walk back up the 5-0 the 501 Trail the the most heavily
00:49:36
traveled Trail and make his way up that way most likely I'm sure there's probably ways to do
00:49:43
that but keep in mind you have the Mears Farm a lot of this property right here are the is belongs to the mirror family
00:49:50
or Mears family and remember you you mentioned that Mike Patty looks something like the bridge
00:49:56
guy in your opinion he he might not have been able to been mistaken for bridge guy because given
00:50:05
the timeline we have he would not have been at the park or near the bridge at the time that the witness saw Bridge guy
00:50:15
but their statement in the press conference from 4 22 of this year their exact words police were we are
00:50:23
seeking The public's help to identify the driver of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS slash DCS welfare
00:50:32
building in the city of Delphi that was abandoned on the east side of County Road 300 North next to the Hoosier
00:50:40
Heartland Highway that's also Highway 25. between the hours of noon to five on February 14 2017 and then it says in
00:50:50
this presser note it has been updated that date was misspoken it should have been February 13th which was the day the
00:50:57
girls went missing so this CPS DCS welfare building was a um like a like a child support
00:51:07
building at one time right and so it was like a government city building but it was abandoned at the
00:51:16
time on February 13 2017 they're asking for the driver of a vehicle and what makes
00:51:24
you wonder are they just going okay we we saw this vehicle nobody in it or saying hey we want to identify the
00:51:34
driver of this vehicle are they saying that there's a there was a driver in it at that time
00:51:43
um I I don't know it's not clear enough no right and so that changes the whole dynamic right
00:51:50
we're looking for this driver that was in the car that changes the whole dynamic right
00:51:56
if you were parked there or no because you're saying the driver if you were parked there or you know who was parked
00:52:01
there it's like were you in the well yeah the car didn't kill the girls they're like they're looking for an
00:52:07
individual well no but what I'm saying is that you know they're not saying we're looking for the owner of the car
00:52:15
now they're saying the driver of the car right somebody put that car there somebody moved that car later right
00:52:21
that's who they're looking for saying if going on to say if you park there or know who was parked there please contact
00:52:28
the officers at the command post at the Delphi city building but again that doesn't mean that that
00:52:37
that is your killer but that's a very quick way to go when you start going okay well where did he
00:52:42
park because that's that's a really big question that nobody usually gets to when they start talking about Delphi in
00:52:48
my opinion is this guy left some way he left the area somehow he fled the area after the
00:52:56
attack we don't know what time he got there we could assume I would assume he probably arrived before the girls did he
00:53:06
may have arrived long enough before where he was he's waiting this thing out and looking for
00:53:12
a victim I don't I don't feel like it's highly likely that he just arrives and immediately spots a victim that doesn't
00:53:20
seem likely to me there were other people there that day uh he didn't choose some of them in my
00:53:28
opinion right right well and I I think that's why if this is premeditated like in the
00:53:35
sense that they this killer knew going and going to this park going to these trails that he's
00:53:41
going to do this you know the the service road by the bridge you know down the hill like like
00:53:47
we said whether it's a driveway or a service Bridge or a service road or or well it's it's a road that becomes a
00:53:55
driveway to a residence right and then but then there's also uh once you cross the water a little bit further down I
00:54:03
believe there's some access there further down I believe that if the person knew his
00:54:10
Killer goes there knowing they're going to try to do this that their truck or car is going to be parked somewhere
00:54:16
there not so much at an entrance or at a where people could see this individual that's my gut feeling oh yeah no I agree
00:54:28
100 with you that's why I said he would have been parked in the the graveyard would be the right right would be the
00:54:34
most likely spot I mean the problem with parking so so where you would put your vehicle if you wanted to park closest
00:54:43
all right the whole thing's the whole thing's a crime scene right the whole place is a crime scene from the minute
00:54:49
he stepped on the ground to the moment he left yeah every everything that his feet touched is a crime scene however if
00:54:56
you were to plan this out in great detail and everything go your way then ideally you would park you would
00:55:05
want your vehicle I believe to be as close to the ending point of your crime scene right then the beginning point of
00:55:13
your crime scene because you're going to if this is a messy murder there's any number of ways that you can
00:55:20
look different at the end of this crime then you would walking step stepping foot onto the
00:55:27
crime scene for the first time yeah you know we already talked about his genes likely were wet he he went through the
00:55:33
water at some point that day we there's no question about that unless he unless this [ __ ] can hover he went through
00:55:40
the water that day okay that would make a good shirt and then on top of that he very likely could have had blood on
00:55:48
his person or on his belonging somewhere and either those are giant red flags keep them they were looking for missing
00:55:55
girls that day they weren't looking for murdered girls that day they were looking for missing girls that day they
00:56:00
weren't looking for a murder suspect that day he got away he fled pretty undetected
00:56:08
whether he was seen by the flannel shirt guy or not he fled pretty undetected so
00:56:13
if if you were to map this thing out and carried out the exact way that you would
00:56:17
want to ideally you want to put your vehicle as close to the ending point of the
00:56:24
crime and the crimes in the crime scene as possible well right and instead of just having it on a residential drive or
00:56:33
some other road that that would stick out like a sore thumb but if you park at the at the graveyard right yeah if you
00:56:42
park at the here's the problem with that very spot you could park at the graveyard and be
00:56:47
okay I would think the other the areas that are as close to you as the graveyard mind you we're going from
00:56:54
right where the bodies were found the other areas that you could park that would be close to you at that point
00:57:00
that's private property that belongs belongs to Ron Logan that belongs to the mirrors Family
00:57:08
that seems quite a bit more risky to me than parking at the graveyard yeah unless unless you know
00:57:16
you know Logan's whereabouts or you know the family but still again if you're going there with the
00:57:26
idea that you're going to commit a crime if you know these individuals you don't
00:57:30
want them to be able to say oh yeah I saw I saw this guy's vehicle on my property that day
00:57:36
I think the graveyard makes the most sense too because it's like there had to be some other visitors right so
00:57:44
it's not so suspicious if you have a car that's you know there's I can't see anybody here well they might have parked
00:57:52
and walked down to a grave and and and spending a little time at the grave well I mean the graveyard was
00:57:59
was it a working graveyard um it seems to be right I I I I know what you mean I I sorry for laughing
00:58:07
there but I I do think that yes you that it's still spots are available is what I think you
00:58:15
mean by that and if you look at it on Google Map there is a picture a uh rectangle okay and right off of the road
00:58:24
that you're going somewhere else with that the road West 300 North so if you look off of 300 North you have
00:58:33
the graveyard right there on one side of the road now the graveyard is lined out
00:58:37
like a big rectangle which it has a a drive you can drive in go all the way to the back of the property and I believe
00:58:45
at the tree line you can actually go across the tree line and then then head back out the other way so you have
00:58:52
two running roads or drives from 300 North that basically Encompass this graveyard there's places to drive and
00:59:03
what I'm getting at here too is you can you could drive a fair distance away from the road and put your vehicle back
00:59:10
by by the tree line and there's also a little Center Crossing uh section as well that you can
00:59:17
drive on now I don't know how the width of those if they're you know two lanes both ways or if it's just a single Lane
00:59:24
usually with a in a graveyard type setting usually it's just a single Lane to make it easier for people to access
00:59:32
different parts of the graveyard to to visit uh people but here's another really interesting
00:59:39
thought captain we have an eyewitness several eyewitnesses actually saying that they saw an
00:59:47
individual who's not come forward we don't know who either of them are it could just be one person could be two
00:59:55
um I don't want to mix words here I don't think that there's two killers I think there's one killer well I think
01:00:00
the cops would know that based off the the audio and video footage yeah and but here's the thing with there being no
01:00:07
vehicle description police love a vehicle description they would rather have a vehicle description
01:00:15
than a person description they love it it's easier to find the car it's easier to find the car it's harder to harder to
01:00:23
hide the car we don't have one here so I wonder a little bit did this guy arrive on foot
01:00:30
and leave on foot now it seems a little confusing maybe to people that are not from the area but if you do a
01:00:39
type up some some maps you know bring up any map and look at the maps and you you
01:00:46
bring up some directions and you play around with it one thing I found you could walk you actually the distance is
01:00:52
shorter walking than it is driving because the way that the roads are laid out in this particular area
01:00:59
so you could walk from the middle of the monin High Bridge and you could be at East Main Street Delphi
01:01:11
and it's a 1.2 mile walk you would have to go over the freedom bridge for the shortest route but that
01:01:19
would be the direction that it's believed that bridge guy if in fact he was the killer but the the flannel shirt man
01:01:27
says that he saw Bridge guy on the 501 Trail heading toward the freedom bridge at about 3 10 to 3 20.
01:01:37
somebody could walk that's crazy somebody could walk from the middle of the Mountain High Bridge to East Main
01:01:44
Street Delphi be in Delphi at 1.2 miles right so about 15 to 17 minutes yeah 15 to
01:01:55
20 minutes well let me tell you a little story to open up some possibilities I'll I'll
01:02:01
make it quick so I I would intern for a long time as a recording engineer at this point like I
01:02:09
I didn't do a lot of sessions I didn't I had knowledge of this stuff but I I have
01:02:14
never done it myself other than like maybe bringing in some of my buddies to record
01:02:20
so they said uh my boss says to me hey there's a night session do you want to do it
01:02:27
and of course I was nervous and said no I don't really want to do any Goods well
01:02:32
no I'm going to set it up it's easy two microphones on this piano all you have to do is hit record and
01:02:39
stop the guy he's he's from Athens Ohio was that about an hour and a half away yeah roughly a drive
01:02:51
is from Athens he's a great kind of Jazzy bluesy piano player we had this great piano but
01:02:59
it wasn't tuned and we had some rattles in the low end but the guy didn't really
01:03:03
care it was this demo and so my boss was given him a discount because the piano wasn't working perfectly
01:03:11
so we go and record three or four tunes and after after two or three songs this guy's just playing live he'd come back
01:03:21
in and listen this guy's very scruffy he has um a book bag with him and a guitar
01:03:28
case you know that you would wear as a book bag so I go out to make some coffee and then I go out to my car and I
01:03:36
realize he has no car there I'm thinking well this is strange so we we're almost done with the session and I
01:03:44
see he has this guitar case so I unzipped the guitar case because I just want to see what guitar he has in the
01:03:50
back right um I shouldn't have done that but I did anyways there was a I see um a gun
01:04:00
and at this point I'm freaked out of my mind so in the session uh I I I'm back in the
01:04:09
day I had to have to make a CD for him here you go take this with you and I said uh somebody coming to get you uh
01:04:17
and he said yeah so you get he leaves pays I clean up the studio go to leave probably five minutes
01:04:26
after him I start driving I don't see him anywhere around you you know remember the studio is really far back
01:04:35
five minutes later I'm I'm driving 33 and I see him walking this guy walked all the way from Athens
01:04:47
set up a recording session walked all the way from Athens played his songs took paid me took the
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CD and started walking back now I don't know if he was meeting somebody somewhere
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but he was walking on the freeway my point of this long story it's because one I always think about
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that gun and how much how freaked out I was but the point of the story is this individual could have walked
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from really far away and and I I hate to be the guy that to say there's so many possibilities
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but this guy booked a session walked an hour and a half played five or six songs and
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then took off walking back it's not out of the realm of possibilities well and not only that in
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this situation I'm I'm bringing this up for a couple different reasons one East Main Street
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Delphi one mile 1.2 miles from the bridge 15-20 minutes yeah so this guy I mean there's there's
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plenty of houses over there this guy could have lived in a neighborhood near there and just walked home
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he could have parked anywhere really within 1.2 miles of the bridge he could have parked in any of these
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neighborhoods that are a mile and a half from the bridge yeah and so he doesn't necessarily have to be parked at the
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abandoned building or parked in the graveyard or parked on Ron Logan's property he very likely could have been
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parked in an area that nobody would found to have been suspicious at all because it's a heavy heavily traveled
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area it's it's an area where there's a lot of cars parked on the side of the road right before he parks in a busy
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parking lot somewhere but you have to be careful of those areas because if it's a
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busy parking lot then you have the possibility of being seen if you're covered in blood mud or water
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right you know so I get what you're saying and and that's what's so frustrating about this case though is as every time
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I'm I'm looking into it I start feeling like I'm getting somewhere and then the doors of the possibility
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just are blown open and and I wonder I wonder if it's going to be another situation
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where if we don't hear anything in in six months to a year if they're going to have to keep putting out information
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that they know because they have to be getting a lot of leads I mean this case is highly covered
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on YouTube I mean there's seems like there's a million armchair detectives uh working on this case like
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solely working on this case not like hey we covered this case and and we moved on to another case the
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following week like people that are just like that's all they're doing well and that's why I think it's important to
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examine the possibilities and the reasons why this has not been sold [Music]