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[Applause] crime on the night of December 20th 2015 Shawn Patrick McDuffy Jr along with his
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quote unquote friend Eric Brown left Calhoun Georgia they were on their way to Clay County North Carolina to drop
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off Eric well they're successful in doing so and sha Patrick McDuffy Jr is making his way back home to Calhoun
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Georgia now he is spotted twice on his way home and this is on December 21st the following day he spotted two times
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on surveillance cameras first at a Walmart store and then second at a car City gas station that is located in
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Franklin North Carolina both of these sightings according to what was observed on the surveillance footage Shawn
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appeared to be alone at this time shortly after leaving the gas station he called his then girlfriend or exwife
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were a little confused on the relationship with the woman he lived with he called her on his cell phone
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explaining that he was confused and lost he did not know where he was going he did not know what road he was on but
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more importantly he told her please tell my children that I love them because I think that I'm being followed shortly
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afterwards he loses cell phone service and then for the next several days his Brandy King and his mother and his
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sister Megan they search for Shawn they see no trace of him they never hear from
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him after sending him messages calling him never hearing from Shawn Jr on December 30th Just 4 days after he was
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reported missing and now 9 days after anyone had spoke to Shawn his rental truck was found the vehicle is located
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by a private citizen sitting in the middle of Bernard Creek Road which is located within the natahala National
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Force this is a gravel on lane road that dead ends the road turns off of US Highway 64 West in Clay County North
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Carolina now we believe that Shawn was traveling on that road according to what we could see on the surveillance footage
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at the gas station during this time of year when it was located this road was seldom used
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other other than by a hunter every so often so it's really not surprising that it was not located that the truck was
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not located until several days after Shawn was reported missing as to the contents of the vehicle well
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one investigator states that it almost appeared as though Shawn was living out of the vehicle there were several bags
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of clothes and shoes along with with several personal items such as a calendar a day planner and various
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receipts including the one from the Walmart and various other small items in the bed of the pickup truck there was
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only a fishing pole a car jack and some loose garbage the only significance as to the location where the truck was
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eventually located and found is the fact that it turns off of US Highway 64 West
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now the plastic case for the holster or for one of the holsters that Shawn had purchased at the Walmart this was
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located inside the vehicle however based off of receipts found in the truck and from video footage there are some known
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missing items from the truck this includ includes the holster itself a knife a tobogan some ammo and gun cleaning
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solvent plus the cash he had on his person none of these items have ever been recovered M now we should point out
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that it is believed that Shawn had a large amount of cash on him when he was traveling back to his home and we know
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this because the rumors are that they were him and Eric were selling drugs the day before and possibly the morning
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of and we also have the fact that we believe this to be about $1,700 in cash and where we get this information from
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is apparently that's what how much money he had told Brandy King that he had on him when he was traveling back home mhm
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so maybe this was that big score that he was looking to get or at least this was
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going to be some money to you know Brandy King wanted him to get out of the drug business you know to to clean
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himself up and to get on the right path maybe that was Shawn's intentions we don't know the troubling thing here is
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his vehicle's found it's like 5 miles after that gas station right he didn't make it very far from that gas station
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now there or he chose not to make it that far yeah but there's also some there's some rumors and some stories out
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there that Shawn may have actually made it all the way back to calhon and the people responsible for his
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disappearance and ultimately his death mhm knew where he was coming from knew about this trip and they decided to drop
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the truck off somewhere along the way to make it look like he never had made it back to Calhoun they know that he's
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making this trip with Eric they know that he's selling drugs they know that he has some money they know that he
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possibly has some more drugs that just because they sold drugs we don't have any record do we of that all the drugs
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were sold that he didn't have any drugs left and meaning that you have now money
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and possibly more drugs as as a motive there but so you're saying that that these individuals followed him once they
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were able they followed him all the way back to his hometown once he gets back in town that's where they take him over
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murder him then they take his truck and drive it all the way back to this Midway
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point or a little more than Midway well the the way that the rumor was told to me is that potentially he made it all
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the way back to Calhoun that these individuals didn't have to follow him they were aware of this trip all they
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then need to know is that he's in fact made it back to Calhoun they intercept him there somehow he's killed in calhon
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and they take the truck back along this route that they know he would have traveled leaving the truck somewhere on
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this route making it look like he never even made it back to Calhoun all right so then our major suspects in this
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Theory would be Stephanie um bigam and go forth well yeah and that's what's interesting about this case
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because there's no lack of suspects here when you talk about it I mean we have an
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individual Shawn Jr that's you know he's involved in criminal act ity so he's hanging around with bad elements uh some
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that might be worse elements than he is and along the way we you know we already
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said there's no real friends in this criminal ring these are just Associates and people that you are forced to have
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interaction with to make money and the these are not people that have one another's backs these are people that
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would likely turn on each other at the drop of a dime mhm and so there's no shortage of enemies for for this young
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man so yeah it could be Stephanie it could be go forth it could be bigan it could be all three involved together but
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I think just so we can be clear I think let's go through these one at a time to kind of clean this up a bit okay the
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first thought like you mentioned would be that he simply parked his car took the money that he made off of this
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selling these drugs along the way to North Carolina walked off created a new life that sounds great
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and I hope you know I hope that Shawn is alive somewhere I wish that he would return and take care of his children but
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regardless there's no proof of any of that there's no evidence to believe that that is what happened other than we're
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missing Shawn MH so we have to step aside from that theory then let's investigate all theories that
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do not involve Foul Play okay the second theory would be that he committed suicide side or that he was in some kind
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of meth induced hallucina hallucination mhm and remember it is rumored that he was a a drug addict or or at least using
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drugs as well as dealing them and this story has a strange like Brandon Lawson feel to it doesn't it where you have an
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individual who's driving somewhere doesn't seem to know where he is this sit sitation Shawn J thinks that
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he might even be be followed right there was there was a rumor now I just want to
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say straight up just rumor with Brandon Lawson that he he might have been doing meth that he was a one-time meth uh user
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and he may have gone back to that we don't know that to be the case or that he was on some other kind of drug
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correct but the speculation being that in a in a fit he's out in the middle of nowhere driving his truck he's using
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drugs he decides to he thinks something's going on that's not going on he decides to abandon his truck runs out
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of gas whatever and he gets lost somewhere out there and and succumbs to the elements well and what there is some
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some evidence possibly some speculative evidence right he stops at the Walmart he gets batteries for what we think is
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for a flashlight I'm guessing it's one of those big you know where you get the D batteries or whatever like a MAG light
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yeah and then he stops to get a gun holster mhm again something you can get when you get back correct flashlight do
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you need it tonight you can get the batteries when you get back right it's almost like well I stopped at the
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Walmart now I'm going to stop at this gas station I'm going to get directions but what did he get
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directions for did he get directions for to get back home or was it hey is there
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any place I can fish around here or is there yeah cuz he did have the fishing pole on that right and just because
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there's one doesn't mean that he didn't have two in there to begin with so all I'm saying is like the the the getting
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the batteries almost seems like it was intentionally to get them for some reason before he got
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back that's all I'm saying so that gives us some evidence that maybe hey I'm going to go off into this Woods After
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I'm after I made a bunch of money going to do a little drugs do a little fishing
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mhm never seen from again well and that's interesting you bring up a very interesting point here because like we
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said yesterday there's not a ton of information out there well that's not even a fair statement to say there's no
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information out there on this case this is a open case and they they probably have collected a lot of EV evidence and
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information they've just not released it because it's not necessary to do so so where the story comes from that Shawn Jr
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stopped and one of the reasons for stopping at that gas station was to ask for directions this comes from from
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Brandy King we don't I've not seen anything or been told anything from somebody working at the gas station that
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that says in fact yes he did ask for directions for all we know maybe he didn't maybe he didn't ask for
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directions or like you said where did he ask directions to what seemed to be his
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destination was he asking for directions back to Calhoun or some other location and like you said he stopped off in an
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area that pretty pretty much only Hunters would travel at that time of year right so was it you know just hey
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is there any place that I could see nature you know go on a hike I mean who knows I'm just saying that I think the
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batteries getting the batteries before you head back is a sign of something mhm well here's here's the thing yeah and
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you're right he picks up some strange items make some strange odd purchases let's say um it is winter time it is
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cold so the toan I don't think is really an odd purchase yeah the holsters you could get those when you get back to
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town unless he was eager you know unless he like oh I I got a gun I'm going to conceal it on myself MH um or or or did
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he feel like he was being followed before he stopped at the the Walmart you know is another thought as well yeah
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yeah and then the being followed was that just some kind of paranoia based off of the me using meth or or something
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else and that in some kind of hallucination hallucination he thinks he's being followed he pulls off into
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this wooded area into this rural area parks the car and gets out trying to flee whatever he thinks he's getting
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away from and then subbs to the elements at some point it is winter time right and he could have been hungry and tired
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when he exited the vehicle so there's a couple issues with that situation with if he would were to have committed
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suicide or if he were to have parked the vehicle and succumbed to the element somewhere the problem with that is what
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information I could find seems like the search for him in that area where his truck was found was extensive like it
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went on for days and they used every resource they had had to look for this individual they never turned up anything
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well and you believe because we had so many items we do know there's so many items in the truck that these dog you
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know if they use um scent dogs they're going to pick up on this scent mhm and I'm assuming that they didn't or if or
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whatever scent they did pick up on led to um a dead end well and I also spoke with a firefighter and a gentleman that
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works in the park services okay and these are people that aren't necessarily um the thing is the reason
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why they're important is because of their backgrounds the backg they have backgrounds in searching for people and
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searching areas such as this for people now what both of them told me was with what they could see what they could find
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of what was used and how the length of time that was involved in these searches for Shawn
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they thought that should have turned him up and if that didn't turn him up what they were even more surprised by was
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that when the next hunting season comes around you know when spring when spring breaks and and people start returning to
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this area they believe that Shawn would have been found his remains would have been stumbled upon by a hunter a hiker
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something of that nature now keep in mind we're 2 and A2 years removed and he went he went missing in late December so
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we've now had two Springs we've had two hunting seasons and more and two summers
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that have passed and nobody has stumbled upon his remains so making it look less
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and less and less likely that he succumb to the elements out in this area where his truck was found and we learned that
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one of the other rumors that floating around town is that he the destination that him and Eric were going to correct
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that was killed there but we kind of squashed that because we do have two sidings of him yeah yeah and that was
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kind of the the the first big rumor that came out when he went missing was that you know it's the short story of this
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guy goes up to some spot in North Carolina he must have been killed there CU he was never seen again and like you
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said we have the two situations of the surveillance video footage of Shawn Jr on his route back to Calhoun so we know
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he at at least made it there to the destination dropped off Eric he had some interaction according to rumors with
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this Jericho character for which he traded guns for drugs and moneyone drugs correct money and guns yeah all those
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fun things mhm these are a few of my favorite things and so any rumor that he was
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killed by this Jericho guy or even Eric Brown who he was last seen with I'm not saying it's impossible that neither of
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those guys had anything to do with him but what makes it less likely is that we know that that Shawn Jr left safe and
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sound from that location I don't think it changes anything as far as percentage wise there and and I'm sure this has
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been talked about but you drop a individual off he's going to visit his family this is a guy that claims that
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you stole money from him mhm um he is the man main reason you're there right he's putting you in this situation Eric
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put you in this situation right just follow follow me on this I'm foll you so he was the main reason hey I need to go
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see my family but I'm I need you to take me but we're going to make it worth your
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while because we're going to sell some drugs once we get up there mhm okay cool we'll make a little little bit of cash
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you're my friend which I just ACC accused you of stealing some money from me $1,000 if this is a big payday oh man
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wow you know uh sha Jr gets his big payday of 1,700 well then $1,000 going missing that's a pretty big wad of cash
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right so Eric then concocts this plan hey I'm going to get you up take me to North Carolina we make the drug dealer
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uh we make the drug deal with Jericho mhm this guy probably has a faux hawkk right bohawk confirmed and what we do
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know what we do have again is it evidence I'm not I'm not saying it's evidence but starts making a little more
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sense when you go he's on the phone with his girlfriend saying hey I think I'm being followed to the point where he
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says tell my children I love them right again I believe that he if he felt like he was being followed whether he's in a
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drug state or not whether it's paranoia or not I think he felt that before uh Walmart stops gets batteries for the
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flashlight gets the gun holder then he starts heading down to the gas station still thinks he's being followed stops
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to get directions as talking to his girlfriend says hey I'm being followed tell my kids I love them the people that
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were following him could have been Eric or Jericho or both I guess or both and the thing what I'm saying is who puts
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you in this situation Eric does right so it's definitely an angle that needs to be looked at and like I said all I'm
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saying is don't lessen the percentage of what you think their involvement is until we we clear that path does it make
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does it make more here's the thing if you get him up to North Carolina and you kill him there now you got to get rid of
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the truck but now he's not seen anywhere mhm like what a better thing like hey here's what I'm going to do I'm going to
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follow him back I'm going to wait for him to stop and get gas so he's seen by somebody then that's when I'm going to
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kill him mhm and but then he'll be seen by somebody else which then will give me
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an alibi and my alibi will be up in North Carolina and The Alibi is probably somebody in his family so for Jericho
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though if you're going to kill Shawn and your Jericho mhm wouldn't you figure out
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a way to get the money to get the drugs rather than trading him potentially weapons that he could use to
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kill you for the drugs right this is this would be getting speculative evidenced against this point for Jericho
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mainly but then if let's say this was it doesn't rule out Eric because Eric would
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have walked into that situation not knowing hey Jericho's going to trade guns you know what I mean like for this
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situation to work out for Jericho to be innocent right then we're just saying hey look I've provided you some some
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some weapons that you could defend yourself with and and and kill me right if I'm trying to take you down it seems
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unlikely that Jericho has any involvement where you have Eric who's along for the ride doing these drug
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deals as well and he doesn't know that that uh Sean's going to be offered some guns but imagine that situation if
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you're Eric you're like [ __ ] I was I was going to kill this guy and now tring kill this bastard and now he's arm now
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he's got two guns armed and ready to go and look that's other thing that I kind of Wonder here you think you're being
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followed so you stop this stop at Walmart is this odd to me it would be different if you picked up you know some
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potato chips and I mean I don't know what was on that receipt I don't think we know for sure what's on that receipt
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if he was just picking up potato chips and so some of the items that so as far as the receipt goes and for the
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purchases he made at Walmart um some of those items have been made public not it's my understanding not all of them
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and what's confusing about it is we have the purchase of the batteries and the uh
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at least one gun holster right but remember we have a later report that says due to receipts found in the
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vehicle and things seen on surveillance footage there were items that they thought they would find in the truck
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that were never recovered right so we know that some of the items have been reported but clearly not all of them
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yeah and so again that's the tough thing about some of these cases you go to me there's something there with the Walmart
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the the stop at Walmart but again if you tell me on the list that there was a cup
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of Co you know some coca-colas there was a slice of pizza or something from or a
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pretzel or something you know sometimes they have the Pretzel shops in there or whatever if you tell me that's on the
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receipt too and then by the way while he was in there he just bought some items right okay no big deal that stop doesn't
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seem as random but you know you you go batteries and gun holder I go if you feel like you're being followed and you
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have this gun why not get a holder why not get some batteries for your flashlight and is it possible that at
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that second stop that when he got back in the car and he lost signal that he said you know
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what screw this I'm just just going to pull off 64 and whatever's falling me they're
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they're going to stop or they're going to keep going right but if they stop I'm I'm
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armed now if they search this site a lot you'd think that they would find some bullet casing right
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right um now this is why it kind of leads me back to a Poss Jericho or a possible Eric cuz what if he pulls off
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the person pulls in his gun is drawn and he then realizes I know this person mhm so I don't know
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it's I mean this is that's just where my brain is taken me hearing this for the first time okay so let's go into this
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other theory of that he actually made it back to Calhoun okay and the way that this Theory works is like this was that
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Shawn was that this trip was not like a super secretive trip that there were other people that would have had some
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general knowledge of what was going to go on that they were going up there to sell drugs and Shawn was coming back to
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Calhoun with a large sum of money with him okay now there there have been people out there that have told me look
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we don't know whether or not that he actually made it back to Calhoun but there is nothing really out there that
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would suggest otherwise there's nothing out there that would make us believe that there wasn't a chance that he M
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didn't make it back you you see what I mean meaning just because of where his truck was
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found we know that the truck was found about 5 miles from the approximate distance of where he lost cell phone
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service we do know that but we don't know that it was found you know we don't know that it was in that spot 5 10
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minutes after he lost cell phone service we just know that it was found there 4 days later I'm sorry n Days Later
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somebody had n days to get that truck to that location if they wanted to so there's people out there that that have
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mentioned this rumor and this theory that Shawn actually made it back and at some point he was intercepted by go
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forth now go forth the rumor is he enlisted his buddy the help of his buddy who we will call Cowboy well hold on we
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need to take a quick beer break so we'll go back to go forth with his buddy Cowboy right after this quick beer
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and cowboy Theory cheers Captain so the theory works like this that at some some
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point Shawn returns to Calhoun there are people out there that suggest that there's nothing out there no evidence to
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suggest that he didn't make it back to Calhoun and when he arrives he's intercepted by go forth and cowboy now
00:32:11
Cowboy is is I shouldn't say rumored to be um there's many reports out there that this is a very violent individual
00:32:21
that he welcomes violence and is capable of possibly making somebody disappear and this would be why go forth would
00:32:29
have enlisted his help in this situation that they had this guy that they wanted
00:32:34
to take care of so he brings in cowboy now why is this a rumor well there are many people in coun this is one of those
00:32:43
stories okay this is one of those cases Captain where you go I wonder where the evidence is
00:32:50
because if if this thing was investigated in the way that we were able to do this just by talking to
00:32:55
people right there's plenty of theories out there because there are plenty of people that have said hey I heard this I
00:33:01
heard that there you you talk to somebody in Calhoun they've heard something that means you know the result
00:33:08
of what why Shawn has disappeared and right but what we talked about earlier in the cases that
00:33:14
sometimes law enforcement know what happened they just can't prove it well I think what the problem here is is that
00:33:19
there are several rumors out there and some of them point to some individuals being involved and some of them point to
00:33:27
others other individuals being involved so the rumors regarding go forth and cowboy are that cowboy took Shawn to a
00:33:36
deserted drug housee and there he shot him and there are several stories as to what he did with Shawn's body one being
00:33:46
that he was placed in the woods another that he was cut up and thrown in a creek
00:33:51
another that he was buried so under these situations though where we have further rumor to back up these
00:33:59
stories there would later be several women that would say that either go forth or Cowboy or both at one time had
00:34:08
shown them Shawn's body so we have the rumors of go forth and cowboy going around town telling people that they've
00:34:15
killed Shawn Jr MH and then later we have women stating that not only did I was I aware that they had killed him but
00:34:24
they showed me his body yeah well that that seems like uh something I'd really want to take notice of you know what I
00:34:34
mean mhm like this is not just a rumor floating around town now we have rumors of women saying I've seen his body
00:34:42
correct correct so here's the other weird thing now we have to throw this into the mix there are several people
00:34:50
that reported that the day after Shawn disappeared remember Stephanie who was selling drugs she was maybe Shawn's boss
00:34:59
at one point um that she was spotted with a large W of cash on her the day after Shawn went
00:35:08
missing this is very this is very Troublesome right because we know that Shawn We Believe Shawn had a large
00:35:16
amount of cash on him there's lots of evidence to suggest this so how did Stephanie get this money now she claims
00:35:23
well she's a drug dealer too but go ahead no I get that I get that but it's also the day after this individual goes
00:35:30
missing mhm she claims when asked about this money that she won it at a poker machine that sh that paid out cashh so
00:35:38
she that's how she acquired this large sum of money now here's where I think things are strange because we have this
00:35:47
we squash the rumor that he was killed at the destination in North Carolina right Eric's family's place
00:35:56
yeah or in the area of right and now we bring up this theory that maybe he made it all the way back to
00:36:04
calhon I here's here's my thoughts on this I wonder if why can't it be somewhat both okay could it be that Eric
00:36:16
Gets that they get to North Carolina sha leaves on the 21st how do we know that that was the
00:36:24
plan any chance that the plan was hey I'm going to stay the night on the 21st I'm going to wake up first thing in the
00:36:30
morning and then I'm going to I'm going to hit the ground running in the morning
00:36:34
and make my way back to coun right and what I'm getting at with this is is there a chance that several of these
00:36:42
players are somewhat involved that they may have different levels of involvement
00:36:47
but they're all somehow involved in what ended up happening in the end meaning was Eric in conversation with
00:36:56
people and saying saying look he's he's trying to leave I know we said that we were going to do this here because if
00:37:02
you were going to set this up if this was premeditated murder and the reason why I'm kind of circling around the
00:37:08
thought that there's Foul Play here and murder involved one when we covered when
00:37:12
you listen to the trailer of yesterday's show that's a straightup report from law
00:37:16
enforcement where they're stating that there were things found in their in this jurisdiction that led them to believe
00:37:23
Foul Play was involved mhm they don't seem to believe that he just walked off on his own so that's why we're circling
00:37:29
around the thought that somebody murdered this individual and I don't think that it's any coincidence that
00:37:35
this guy is making this trip where he could make a bunch of money and he has all these known drug Associates that
00:37:41
probably knew about this trip they got the drugs from somebody that they ended up selling that person probably knew
00:37:48
about this trip and then we have Stephanie who who who's supposed to be the link between Eric and Shawn Jr so
00:37:57
she may have known about the trip we have Eric's cousin Derek who knows about the trip so many people probably knew
00:38:03
about this trip and what I'm getting at is if this is premeditated first-degree murder of Shawn Jr well the most
00:38:10
opportune time my thought would be to get him while he's out of town to get him when he when you know he's going to
00:38:17
be up in North Carolina get rid of him there and this is going to cause a bunch of confusion because the people that
00:38:25
need to be investigated in The Disappearance of Shawn Jr all live and reside in coun out of the jurisdiction
00:38:32
of where the murder actually would have taken place now think about this let's say Eric's up there and Shawn
00:38:40
Jr is hinting around like hey I don't think I'm going to stay the night I think I should probably just get back
00:38:43
it's close to Christmas time or now I got all this money I'm itching to spend it or or get it back to my girlfriend or
00:38:50
wife or whatever she is right mhm and then he starts communicating with these people and saying look I know you guys
00:38:56
were going to come up here and get rid of him tonight or in the morning but he's heading back now he's he's saying
00:39:02
he's going to leave and guess what I can't stop him from leaving at some point he's going to leave you guys need
00:39:08
to get up here and what I'm wondering about Captain is there a chance that is there a chance that he he was intended
00:39:16
to be killed there in North Carolina Shawn Jr intended to make it back to Calhoun but the people that were going
00:39:24
to kill him they were in route or had to be in route sooner than they had planned
00:39:31
and then they're hoping to intercept him somewhere along the way so in a sense both theories are somewhat truthful
00:39:38
meaning that one that was the initial plan and two hey if we can't intercept him somewhere along the way we're going
00:39:45
to have to get him once he gets back here to Calhoun yeah and I didn't really like the whole idea of the when he gets
00:39:51
back here we're going to get him right the reason why it seems a little too Loosey Goosey doesn't it like like too
00:39:58
many things could go wrong with that plan no I I think it's it's probably look at least um go forth and cowboy
00:40:07
would be on their own turf right so that would make a little more sense because you know the law enforcement you know
00:40:14
what the at least what the cop cars look like right right um you know so that's one thing but the thing that
00:40:23
always kind of went well that theory doesn't sit well with me was the convenience of where his car was parked
00:40:31
or where the rented truck was parked in cordinance of the last place he was seen
00:40:37
the last place he's told his you know girlfriend he was seen yeah he's making communication through his cell phone and
00:40:43
then he loses contact and then the truck is found roughly what 10 days later from the time he went missing
00:40:53
roughly in that spot around that area right so okay so as you're telling me this
00:40:59
stuff that doesn't sit well but then I start thinking and I'm not this is just hypothetically but
00:41:06
hypothetically did you know did she was she a part of this right right just but and I think that's less likely
00:41:17
than Shawn Jr gets back with the money possibly drugs who knows these guns and we have forth in cowboy and
00:41:27
they take care of him they kill him and then they find out through rumors that he's missing right right and
00:41:36
they know people that know people and then they find out that he was on the phone on the phone to his girlfriend and
00:41:45
he lost connection around this area mhm right well you just killed this guy you have this rented truck that that's the
00:41:56
biggest problem right but now you know where he lost signal with his cell phone and you probably hearing some rumors
00:42:05
around town you you would know exactly where to go drop off the truck right to start pointing the fingers as other
00:42:14
possibilities well and that's interesting that you say that because I suspect that there there may have been
00:42:22
people in coun that had an idea of where Shawn was when he went missing meaning they may be aware of that phone call
00:42:30
that he had with Brandy King why because Brandy King was actively looking for Shawn within the days after he
00:42:37
disappeared so how does that conversation go down when I'm if I'm Brandy King and I'm talking to you and I
00:42:43
say hey look I last spoke to sha here he said he was here and he left this gas station and or I guess the thing that
00:42:52
complicates that is Brandy King stating that it it sounded to heard that Shawn didn't know where he was so maybe that
00:42:59
complicates that a little bit but you could still have that conversation of saying look I was on the phone with him
00:43:05
and we dropped service and I've not been able to talk to him since then I've not
00:43:09
been able to communicate with him since that occurred so I think that I think for me what seems to be the most
00:43:16
plausible theory is that I think that these individuals that are involved or potentially involved with this that they
00:43:25
are street smart enough to know that if if if we need to get rid of Shawn or if I need to get rid of Shawn I need for it
00:43:34
to happen when he's out of town why because that creates a lot more possibilities than just me being
00:43:41
involved right it creates a lot more possibilities that maybe nobody even coun was even involved because he he
00:43:47
went missing or was killed so far away from here then I think guess what when that plan is uprooted by him leaving
00:43:55
early now there has to be a new plan and plan a is can we intercept him on his way
00:44:01
back and if we cannot do that then we're going to need Eric and maybe it requires
00:44:08
the help of Stephanie I don't know to set up another trip maybe a month from now to North Carolina and give it
00:44:15
another go at this whole thing if that's your plan and I think unfortunately unfortunately for Shawn
00:44:21
and for his family personally I think that I think he got intercepted on the way home wow I think that that that like
00:44:30
you said and like he said on the phone that he thought he was being followed mhm I think he he truly believed he was
00:44:38
being followed and I think what happened was when he was on what was that 64 West
00:44:43
mhm I think he sees this little Bernard Creek Road that shoots off the side and he thought you know what whoever's
00:44:52
following me if I'm far enough away from them let me pull on to this Little Country Road and maybe I duck them right
00:44:58
and they keep going yeah go ahead I was just going to say a little tip if you ever feel like you're being followed
00:45:05
take you know four right turns or four left turns because you're going in a circle obviously and if by doing that uh
00:45:14
you'll you know it would almost make zero sense for somebody to do that uh those turns you know what I mean so if
00:45:22
you're ever being followed just a little tip for you well if you're in a city or
00:45:25
a town go to a police department or a fire station right yeah but but Shawn's out in the middle of nowhere so he's
00:45:31
going to have to improvise let's say well and he's a man so we're we're also not the brightest the problem with him
00:45:39
turning on to this Bernard Creek Road is that it's actually a dead in Road um unbeknownst to him he wouldn't have
00:45:47
known that however I don't think that mattered at all because the vehicle was eventually located approximately a
00:45:53
quarter mile up the road so he never even and it was he would have been heading toward the dead end so it doesn't appear
00:46:00
that he made it to the dead end and tried to turn around it looks like something happened before he could even
00:46:07
realize this is a dead end road that either he thought he was being followed I'll duck off on this country road and I
00:46:14
and and hey if I see the car coming or maybe I flee the vehicle and get away from the vehicle I think what happened
00:46:22
was I think he was intercepted on his way home to Calhoun and I think something happened somewhat close to
00:46:27
that truck I don't know if he was abducted from there or if he was unfortunately killed there but I think
00:46:35
something happened close to that truck now I you think we'd heard I I think we would have heard more rumors about that
00:46:42
well yeah and that that's interesting because there are the rumors of people having seen the body or claiming to have
00:46:48
seen the body and then there's the the rumor of him being taken to a deserted house somewhere and being shot there the
00:46:56
deserted house doesn't bother me at all what what here's a couple things that bother me first one why are you there
00:47:02
Eric that's suspect to me Eric also says to his friend that he's going to kill him because he thinks that he stole
00:47:09
$1,000 so suspect right mhm don't like it don't like the stopping to get batteries that seems like it's
00:47:18
purposeful of that day don't like it what I also don't like is that he is telling his girlfriend friend I'm being
00:47:27
followed don't like that at all right mhm where the B where the truck is found don't like that at all but the thing
00:47:36
that I don't like the most is these women coming for you know coming forward saying I saw his
00:47:45
body that's the thing that so out of all the things that don't make a lot of sense to me that I feel like there's
00:47:51
something more tangible there that out of all of them just goes well that doesn't sit well yeah so I tell you what
00:48:00
though Captain here's here's at the end of the day what I think is I hope this case does not go cold because I think
00:48:09
this is a very solvable case and what I mean by that is I think that there's enough rumor and there's enough stories
00:48:17
that there's got to be enough people talking yeah there's enough people talking but there's got somewhere if you
00:48:22
sift through it enough there's got to be some truth in there behind one of these
00:48:26
stories or little hints of Truth in in in several of the stories and I think what can happen is I think that this
00:48:34
could work itself out I think that it could be solved we're going to need some people to come forward we're going to
00:48:39
need some people to talk and we're going to need some we might need some people to turn on one another because in my
00:48:45
opinion there might be good chance that five six seven people know what happened
00:48:50
that that they have maybe not firsthand knowledge but they've been told exactly what has happened we talked about this
00:48:57
when we covered uh Tara grinstead's case right we had an individual that had firsthand knowledge or knew a good
00:49:04
amount of firsthand knowledge and he tried to tell six seven a dozen people everybody just thought oh he's just he's
00:49:12
just joking he's just making this up for 11 years basically confessed to seven to
00:49:16
nine people yes right and I'm hoping that at some point at some time the guilt in these people catches up with
00:49:23
them and they start coming forward and telling the appropriate people tell law enforcement what happened because I
00:49:29
think there are many people out there that know what happened to Shawn Jr now I will say this one thing that our
00:49:35
investigation and looking into this case has turned up is we have been told that
00:49:42
there is at least one individual out there that claims to have information regarding the where possible whereabouts
00:49:50
of Shawn Jr of of his remains or maybe what had happened to to him that is now willing to speak with law enforcement
00:49:59
and was not before now what information does this individual know we don't know that exactly but what we have been told
00:50:07
is this information is being reported to law enforcement maybe this is the tip they need maybe this is the tip they
00:50:14
need now some other keys to possibly solving this case um there is a rumor that that his body Shan's body might be
00:50:23
in The Sims Mountain area area uh and and there's actually local rumor of a more specific location than
00:50:31
just the Sims Mountain area but I couldn't find anything in the newspapers or anything through the course of the
00:50:38
investigation that suggests that that area has ever been searched so it'd be nice to see if if if they think there's
00:50:44
enough weight there in that rumor to search that area or that more specific area the other thing is interview go
00:50:51
forth interview this individual that we've called go forth because this individual's in prison now just 2
00:50:59
years later and the information I've been told is he's serving a life sentence so if there's somebody
00:51:05
something that he knows somebody that he could roll over on this would be the time to talk to him I couldn't nobody
00:51:12
everything that I found and and everybody that we spoke to nobody could suggest that go forth has been
00:51:19
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