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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] Buffalo Bill Buffalo Bill yeah which is you know I told you about how I saw the
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Elf on the Shelf yeah you know the elf on the shelf and they had the there was a elf and then there was a a female elf
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in a in a hole and then they had a bucket going down with some lotion in the bucket okay and there was a little
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dog by Buffalo Bell pre precious was his dog don't you hurt her yeah was she a big fat lady was she a big fat person so
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Thomas Harris's um 1988 novel Silence of the Lambs was a huge hit in the 1991 adaptation starring jod Foster and
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Anthony Hopkins was as we all know incredibly successful MH and actually one of only three films to ever win the
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big five Oscars and it starred we have uh Ted LaVine Ted LaVine is it LaVine let's go with LaVine
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okay played the serial killer Buffalo Bill the killer that soon to be her yeah soon to be agent clar Clarice Starling
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and unit Chief Jack Crawford in the FBI were hunting so we I wanted to kind of talk with you Captain about who Buffalo
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Bill is well that's the problem right because this character it's kind of like Hannibal Lecter right when when you
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first hear about Hannibal Lecter you go I I heard anyways oh he's based on Jeffrey dmer mhm and then what if you
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study dmer and then you you study these movies right you go is Lecter anything like dmer right like
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there's one or two points but so to me it you know then it becomes blurry was he was he based on D or was he just was
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one thing about him based on dmer and then so again with the Buffalo Bill character because what Hannibal Lector
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is trying to do is profile this individual and so by doing that you you kind of find these little bits and
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pieces of Buffalo Bill and and who is he based off of right and it's weird because you know horror films mystery
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films Thrillers all of those they do have some of them have ties to real life serial killers and real life crimes
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because often when a particular serial killer is discussed or a particular particular fictional character is
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discussed they'll say oh well uh this serial killer inspired the creation of this character or this character is
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based off of this serial killer but you know so Through The Years what I thought
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was intriguing that I've heard so many times what real life Sero killer Buffalo Bill was based off of MH only to figure
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out that he's likely pieces of you know elements taken from several different real life Killers right and look some of
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them might not be taken from one certain killer it could be the imagination of somebody as well like well if I was a
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killer then what would I do does that make sense yeah as far as the writer goes so it's not like all writers when
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they're writing about a killer has to take everything about this person from something in real life right and but we
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do know that Thomas Harris spent a good amount of time with members of the FBI's
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Behavioral Science unit learning about real life killers and learning about the FBI agents that have hunted them over
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the years well let's just tell them that we're making a movie and see if we could
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hang out with them as well so we can get some Insider information oh that would be awesome right we got this character
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we call him uh Buffalo Captain this is a long-term project you won't see it in theaters for 18 or 19 years we got
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Hannibal konel and buffalo Captain by the way there's no money in it for you uh so who is Buffalo Bill well many will
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remember the scene the famous scene of where Dr Lecter first wants to know why they call him Buffalo Bill adding that
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the papers won't say to which CL Clary Starling tells Lecter it started as a bad joke in Kansas City homicide where
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someone said this one likes to skin his humps mhm so Buffalo Bill his real name is Jame gum so just like James but
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without the S Jame gum he was basically I think based off of elements of several real life serial killers and
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we'll kind of go through that as we explore his character a little bit but gum had two aliases uh John Grant and
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Jack Gordon and I believe he was using the name Jack Gordon when he was confronted by agent Starling Jame gum
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was born in California his mother was trying to break into Hollywood she was entering beauty pageants and aspiring to
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be a Hollywood actress so she's attention seeking well she did not know who Jame gum's father was or at least he
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had nothing to do with Jame or his mother MH her pregnancy among other things likely ended her run at the
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pageants and her shot at being an actress uh she was there was one um she was in the Sacramento beauty pageant mhm
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and she was actually pregnant with him at the time like just a month or two pregnant now she went to she turned to
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drinking and became an alcoholic after gum was born maybe maybe it had been on her way there during the pregnancy as
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well and little Jame gum went into the foster care system when he was just two years of age when he is 10 he is adopted
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by his grandparents Jame gum kills his grandparents so here is our first likeness to a real life serial killer
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just like Ed keer Jame gum's Grandparents were his first victims M and just like keer he goes off into a
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psychiatric hospital and is later released when he's an adult well and also he claims that he wanted to see
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what it felt like to kill somebody which is exactly what Ed keer said mhm later gum has a relationship with one of
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lector's patience Benjamin Rasel and Rasel travels and he's in search of like a boy toy this is rasel's pretty well to
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do I think he's a a musician well after Benjamin leaves Jame gum gum kills Benjamin's New Lover
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Lecter has some knowledge of this but it seems that this murder went unsolved as
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we know from seeing the movie that Jame gum is not in prison during any portion of that story mhm so gum is a applying
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for gender reassignment surgery but he can't pass the psychological portions of the qualifying test gum is living in a
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deceased woman's home this is Mrs Litman Mrs Litman was pretty well off and gum kills her in Florida and takes all of
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her money lives in her home basically like assumes the role of someone who would have inherited all of her
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belongings mhm so that's where he finds himself living in this home and now he has money to travel around and and kill
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so gum wants to be a woman he decides that he's going to make a skin suit a women's skin suit this element was from
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edin who did various creative things with skin from his victims and and skin from corpses right including the always
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Chic Skin Mask yeah the skin suit and the Skin Mask yeah so Gan was a a the worst one for me was the the belt that's
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made out of nipples yeah yeah that was there were some list when we covered Edge there were some list in that those
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episodes that were difficult to one to compile and two to read to say the least but Gan was known
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as The Butcher of planfield uh he killed two women and that we well that we know
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of there's some debate if he killed more right and he was also a body Snatcher Jame gum was not a body snatcher so Jame
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gum he needed to capture kill and harvest women's skins we see the famous scene where Jame
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gum is dressing up like a woman with women's clothing and makeup taking pictures of himself so now we sprinkle
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in a little bit of Jerry brutos into the equation Jerry in this the the shoe killer yeah so you're right he brutos
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was featured in the series in series one of M Hunter yeah he he was scary to me cuz he was the character anyways looked
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as big as Ed uh Ker's character M and but he just looked a little more not right in the head yeah and he was less
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like where Ed keer seemed to want to befriend the FBI agents brutos was there for his own reasons right so brutos
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murdered at least four women in the state of or uh he enjoyed photography and dressing
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up in the clothing of his victims and um he loved as we know from M Hunter he loved women's shoes well and this is the
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the famous scene when um Buffalo Bill takes his his twig and berries and puts it between his legs and he looks in the
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mirror would you [ __ ] me I'd [ __ ] me and which which which I think I used to
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think uh American Girl by Tom Petty was playing at that time but it but it wasn't it was uh that
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American girl is in the movie American Girl is playing when Katherine Martin is driving her car yes and she it would end
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up being abducted by Jame gum but it's a different song when he's doing right it's um would you [ __ ] me something
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horses I should have put that I should have wrote that down thought for some reason it that would come up um yeah you
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should have cuz I can never remember but it would make more sense if it was she was an American girl with his twig and
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berries between his legs unless unless Thomas Petty was like I don't want my song playing during that portion yeah
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yeah um but so Jame gums his modus operandi was he would approach a woman pretending to be injured and ask for
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help then surprise attack her knocking her out and then kidnapping her M this as we all know was a Ted Bundy tactic
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yes but another one of Bundy's tactics often he would dump the bodies far away this in proximity to the abduction site
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Jame gum dumped most of his bodies far away to elude detection pointing to pointing the investigators in
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different towns to different states far from where gum was living in beautiful Bader Ohio yeah so there you go Ohio but
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Jame would need to keep his victims alive for a while after kidnapping them he needed to loosen their skin while
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they were still alive so gum would keep them and look one thing that that didn't make
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it to the movie was in the story The Local tabloids once they thought an abducted woman was taken by Buffalo Bill
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MH this is this is pretty pretty dark they would do a countdown of number of days like there was a there was a common
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number of days between an abduction and when they would find a floater when they
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would find a body floating in the river and so the the Tabloid would they would run these countdowns and actually in the
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the situation of Katherine Martin the FBI encouraged the tabloids to stop doing the countdown because they thought
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it was increasing his speed between abduction kill and dump and they only had so they knew they only had so much
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time to save this woman and if they if they poked the bear so to speak they might speed up his process and thus not
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be able to save this poor woman that he abducted so um he would he killed several women by the time that he
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abducted Katherine Martin the one that we just discussed was singing American Girl and her car before he tricks her
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with the helping him move a couch in the back of that truck or van yeah the song
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he's dancing to is Goodbye Horses yes by Q we don't know yeah we don't know Lazarus yeah there you go something like
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that so five women um he had killed five women by this point in the movie and Catherine was to be his sixth victim so
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this little portion of the story and of his character comes from Gary hynick Gary hynick kidnapped Six Women and kept
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them in a pit or a well in his Philadelphia home raping and torturing them he actually killed two of these
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women well and it looks like uh Buffalo Bill's house almost like it has two basements yeah so it's described as a
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sprawling basement with many rooms in several levels mhm which really really makes for like a dungeon
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type setting right you know so was that the same with Gary High Nick where it was like multiple levels in the basement
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or it was just in his house I think he had multiple rooms but I don't think there were multiple levels in his house
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Gary hynick was a was a weird guy cuz he was actually um he made quite a bit of money
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investing like when when they when they caught up to him when they were looking at him and thinking about going and you
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know make I making the arrest I'm a little unclear on the story but [ __ ] I just looked up a picture of him yeah so
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he had like he had like a half a million dollars in Investments and I think the local police were like yeah this can't
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be our guy he's East Lake Ohio it was where he was born yeah he was born in East Lake Ohio yeah I used to play I
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think it was East Lake soccer tournament so wow well disc talking about Jame gum's basement so the scene
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at the end where jod F can we just be I I should throw this out there CU somewhere there's somebody going spoiler
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alert but the movie's like 27 years old if yeah if you haven't watched it by now
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you're sorry dude something's wrong with right you've you've been incredibly busy
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for the last 27 years I haven't got around just can't find the time there's no time been I've been too busy putting
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multiple levels in my basement if you haven't had time in 27 years you won't have time for the next 27 we're doing
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you a favor right here mhm so the scene at the end where gum is hunting let's call it that hunting jod Fosters mhm
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he's got on it's Pitch Black in the in the basement and he's wearing the night vision goggles that actually I always
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thought that that scene was kind of out of necessity that like he's like oh crap
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this FBI agent's going to bust me I need to get the upper hand on her so I'm going to flip off the lights and put on
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these goggles and I'm going to shoot her yeah turns out that's actually not it wasn't out of necessity it wasn't like a
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he was like oh I'll just do this and try to get the upper hand on her he actually
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preferred so he would kill the women in his basement because of you know to muffle the noise people outside wouldn't
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hear anything MH but on top of that he actually did that same method to several of his other victims he enjoyed hunting
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them in his basement and he would turn off the lights put on those night vision goggles and walk around them in the dark
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almost silently with a gun waiting to who would do this Jame gum would do this right and so this is not based off of
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Gary no this is not based off of Gary hynick I actually think that heynick um he was much more into
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the the rape portion of his crimes rather than the killing um you know that might point to the reason why he only
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killed two people but kidnapped six so Jame gum his whole thing is keep in mind he's he needs this skin suit so he needs
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different parts and pieces there's no nice way of putting this right different parts and pieces of these women to make
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his suit well hunting them in the dark almost allowed him to handpick them because if if he was going to kill them
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and they knew about it in advance they would fight him back and during the struggle it could ruin some
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of the pieces that he parts that he wanted mhm so this is the way that he would prefer to attack and kill them
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when it when their time came let's say now as far as Starling goes she was too small for Jame gum but
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he intended to kill her not just to save his own neck but he really admired her beautiful hair he was intending on
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keeping her hair Jame gum was like 61 maybe 210 220 so not a large man but above average and
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he's trying to make a skin suit a women's skin suit most women are smaller than men so he needed either uh you know
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he needed to take he needed to use certain methods to make sure that he could make himself
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look like a woman once he's wearing this suit that he's trying to make yeah so and just think about how the smell of
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the suit oh God you going to have to really cake on the perfume if you want to smell like a woman get out the tal
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powder yeah you who is it sha that sells the Gold Bond yeah yeah lots of Gold Bond like Shack siiz Gold Bond they
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should make a special uh jug that you get that's Shack siiz so after killing his victims and removing the skins and
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the body parts that he wanted Jame gum would insert a death's head moth into the corpses and dump their bodies in
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rivers mhm this is very much like Gary Ridgeway the Green River Killer who dumped women's bodies in rivers
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destroying you know all kinds of evidence and he also placed foreign objects into the corpses as well but not
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a moth right mostly rocks right because that that isn't that moth on the cover of Silence of the Lambs yeah there's I
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believe there were several movie theater type posters for for the uh for the movie itself but I
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think that's probably the most famous one yeah would be the the picture of of a woman's face well it's Jodie Foster's
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Jody Foster's face covering up her mouth with the death's head moth well what's interesting is this photo you can
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clearly tell that's jod right mhm but I I don't I don't remember it being that obvious that that
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it was jod Foster before I I actually didn't I wasn't thinking that until you just
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pointed it out yeah I mean it makes the most sense obviously but it's really just the eyes it's like those are Jodie
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Foster's eyes I don't know if that's jod Foster's face I guess let me yeah that's
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her nose yeah that's her so we have I mean in in this look this is a bit of a a selfish episode for me because this is
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one of my favorite movies um it's for me it's it's one of the movies that got me
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into the FBI side and the psychological side of these hunting these serial killers right um but I absolutely love
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this movie and but what's so interesting is you see somebody like Thomas Harris who look you know he he took the time
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and really probably did a good deal of research into these The Darkest Minds out there M to piece together a a
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character and and what the reason why I think the movie holds up so well is because the movie to me imitates real
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life imitates True Crime so much that it's a it's a as Fantastical of a story as it is it's believable along the way
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and it really to me is I think you could throw this one in the the horror genre I
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mean yeah or thriller yeah because because to me even though it even though it is a psychological Thriller it's it's
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up there and might be more terrifying than a lot of the the slasher films out there but it's not
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gory right I mean it the what's weird here is the the words are a little more gory than the actual
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images mhm because they have to tell this story of this this horrible human being who's hunting women for to make a
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skin suit and now you are using Dr Lecter who was a cannibal to help you find this guy well but I also think like
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you were talking before because it's kind of horror it's kind of Thriller it's kind of just a cop movie mhm
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there's so many kind of different genres that it's in that that I think the one that's why I was so successful but I
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just feel like all the other ones fell short of the original yeah well the thing is you have
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to wonder too does it did it set the bar too high for the for the franchise mhm well I think the difficult thing is like
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you said it so good because it's so close to just True Crime it almost almost kind of could could have
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been like a documentary M of some kind and the other ones get a little more out there where there's the scene I think in
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two where the guy is still alive at the dinner table but his head is cut open or
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something in Hannibal yeah yeah and just stuff like that where it's like it just
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gets a little cheesy well and so in in the franchise Hannibal's the third well actually the fourth of the of the story
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featuring Hannibal Lecter but for me Captain the thing that really threw that one off look I like Julianne Moore uh
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who played Clary Starling in Hannibal right but it's it's one of those things it's like you really when you when you
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fall in love with a movie or or it's just something that you really enjoyed you just want to see the same actors and
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actresses again playing the playing those roles it kind of feels well it's to me it's better if you go okay well
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Jody Foster doesn't want to come back okay okay now let's introduce this new person who is she well for all we know
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um Jody Foster's character was killed or whatever right or moved on to something
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else right and so here's a whole different person but once you start going well this is uh
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clar's I thought jod Foster was clar's so I don't know I think they made some missteps but they probably made so much
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money and I'm sure that the first Silence of the Lambs didn't cost much money well like I
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said it's the only one of three movies to win the five major categories of oscars so I
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mean hugely successful hugely successful so I thought red dragon was very good now originally that's Manhunter there
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was a movie made uh about red dragon the book red dragon before called Manhunter
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which the Edward Norton version of red dragon is a red dragon is the third one so so I think it goes Silence of the
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Lambs Hannibal red dragon and then Hannibal Rising is the order of the franchise well but but that's the order
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that they come out but not the order of the story okay so Hannibal Rising is technically the first if you want to go
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back to yeah if you want to go back to his early life the budget was $19 million to make Silence of the Lambs and
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then for Hannibal their budget was 87 million yeah so look that's the thing is some of the some of these genre type
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movie especially this one you want to make a good True Crime type movie MH lower the
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budget because if you do you're going to have to have it be more gritty you're going to have to have it be a little
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more real well and red dragon was actually released twice so you have Manhunter that came out before Silence
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of the Lambs M it's technically the second portion of the story but it came out again as red dragon after Hannibal
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came out Silence of the Lambs gross $ 272.50 million World worldwide and became the fifth highest
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grossing film of 1991 and I was too young to remember if this was a genius of marketing or if
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it's just a word of mouth hey I saw this movie and it was it was crazy you have to see it well I think the the poster
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really I mean that that visual that graphic arts that they did for the Post poster it's like right away you go what
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is that I want to see that and it does help that the book was very successful as well right so regarding to Thomas
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Harris he I think he scheduled to have another book come out in May of next year mhm but it sounds to me like it
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won't be a Hannibal Lector book so this is his first book in like 40 years that does not have Hannibal Lector in the
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story really yeah wonder what direction he's going to take well he's he's 78 so I think he's taking the I'm retired
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Direction no no I understand that but what I'm saying is is this going to be true crime at all or or crime based
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at all so he only has he only has one other book out that doesn't feature Hannibal Lecter all of
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his books all of his stories have Hannibal Lecter in the story the first book that he did did not and it was
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about I think it was about terrorism I think it was called like black Sunday or something like that so it's a a
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terrorism type book and then he got into this serial killer FBI stuff with the hanni lecor Jame gum Clary Starling Will
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Graham all those characters that were made famous by the franchise so he how many books did he
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write so black if if I have the name correct black Sunday red dragon this is the order black Sunday red
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dragon The Silence of the Lambs was his third book Hannibal Hannibal Rising was his fifth book and now I don't know that
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I don't think they released the title of this book that's coming out in May but I
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but from the interviews I've scene it's not going to have Hannibal lecor in the book so it could be a part of the series
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but Hannibal Lecter is not in it or it could just be something totally different correct correct and actually
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so he's only done two books in like the last 10 years Hannibal Rising in this book that will be coming out next year
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do you know he signed an eight fig deal an eight figure deal for two books wow so that's means what 10 million or more
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yeah yeah I I wonder is is that like there's no way they're going to make their money back on these two books do
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you think unless part did anybody buy Hannibal Rising unless part of the deal is that
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they're already option for film which you say that amount because think about this way you you made a movie for 19
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million and you made almost 300 million so you pay the guy the money yeah and you also have to wonder is that part of
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a well we kind of feel like we owe him some of this from from the last one let's just kind of lock him down for the
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rest of his career yeah cuz I I I can't see where like what the other ones made but I'm sure I'm sure that they kept
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making good money because they kept making them so I I would guess Hannibal probably made a lot of money because and
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I understand it had a much higher budget but I I do remember like the theaters being packed for Hannibal it was highly
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anticipated went to see that in the theaters yeah and then red dragon I don't know I I actually at the time so
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so from about the time that I was about 17 18 Till I was about 26 I was pretty much
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broke right you know you're trying to live your life you're working hard and you have a little bit from what age to
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what age there was a good let's say 17 to 25 or 26 I felt like I was I was broke I had just enough money for
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chicken wings and beer um well well how am I how old am I now 37 so 17 to 37 yeah so I did not see red
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dragon in the theater although I wanted to but the other thing though was I had already seen mine hunter or M M
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Manhunter how many times am I going to screw that up I'd already seen Manhunter and it was I mean it's damn near the
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same film it's just you got better actors and in a higher budget for the red dragon version
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but um well and if you think that you know cuz we we're so trigger based right now like you say this thing and Trigger
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somebody and then they're all upset MH and this you know this is 1991 1992 there was a lot of feminist groups women
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right activists that came out there was U the LGBT community that came out uh because they felt that uh Buffalo Bill
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was portrayed as a bisexual and transexual uh even even though they're you know they replied with the character
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it wasn't a gay character so he was a tormented man who hated himself and wished he was a
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woman so I guess that would transgender I guess on some level there okay so let's break this down a
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little bit because it yeah they did come under Fire for this and and I think look
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especially 1991 you have to be of the mindset of the time and where you have you know
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this community these different communities are are kind of making their way onto TV more regularly during the
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early 90s late 80s and I'm sure there were a lot of people that were like hey we want to make this clear this is not
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who we are you know if you want you know if you want to label our group something
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whatever you want to call our group we are not this person that you saw on the screen and of course we all we all know
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that now nowadays you don't even have to say that but the the the interesting thing here though is and it's it's it's
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kind of clear in the movie but you have Thomas Harris that points it out better in the book where Lecter is saying look
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even though Jame gum is had homosexual relationships even though he thinks that he wants to be a woman even though he
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has signed up for gender reassignment surgery mhm in the book that's not shown in the movie right and in in the in the
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end that's not who this guy truly is he's just so confused and messed up he's trying to figure out who he's supposed
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to be where he fits in and he doesn't fit in anywhere so therefore he thinks that he should be something different
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than what he is right and so they do well no but my point was that you know everybody's so triggered these days but
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this has been going on for a long time as far as just people being outraged really over nothing mhm right like
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look if anybody with half of a brain goes okay well whether this guy is transgender or whether this guy is
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homosexual obviously not every homosexual acts like Buffalo Bill right but but the fact of the matter is that
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people feel like they have to come out and and argue these points as if the major major population is not going to
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get that you know well and I don't know if it was Harris that said this or who who said it but in defense of you know
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somebody basically said look for the women's groups for the you know we would like to point out here that Jame gum
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considered himself to be worthless and he was a man and he likely wanted to be a woman because he thought them to be
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something Superior to him yeah possibly but also the the first argument you go with against the feminists is hey the
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main character is female jod Foster and she is working for the FBI she has skills she's put on this
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case for a reason that would be my first argument well she's a bit of a prodigy right but then they give her crap saying
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that you know she's playing a lesbian character it's just like it's this but that's what my my point of bringing this
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is up is a lot of this trigger stuff a lot of this social justice Warrior crap is it's really just nonsense it's just
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I'm going to say this and I'm going to get a reaction and you're going to defend this logically but I won't be
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listening to you when you defend it yeah and and I don't know if um I've not read
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the book Hannibal and she her character is not in Red Dragon so I don't I don't know that her character was intended to
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be lesbian um and I don't and I know in the movie they didn't really they didn't
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address it which I think well I that makes sense that that's where people's minds wander but real quick on to um
00:35:59
something else regarding the book one one significant difference between the book and between the movie Silence of
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the Lambs uh Hannibal Lecter his character in the book has six fingers on his left hand mhm and his eyes like an
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extra pinky or I don't know which extra finger he has but he definitely has one that shouldn't be there and then um his
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eyes are described as maroon in color blue eyes brown eyes green eyes gray eyes he has maroon now you you have
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written some stuff yourself me you haven't had had it published I yeah I'm I yeah I'm know Thomas Harris but go
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ahead well but I mean he only has he's working on his sixth book yep and 40 years that's the kind of career I want
00:36:49
you can catch up can I have yeah but can I get a can I get an eight fig deal no what no what I want I want to pull like
00:36:57
a beetles though you know you come out guns are blazing you're abandoned the major Spotlight from 1964 to 1970 you
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have about 18 records that come out mhm tons of singles mhm so what you do is you you write all the books okay and
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then you start just like stockpile them and then then rapid rapid fire release yeah kind of like um the Harry Potter
00:37:20
stuff I mean that was like I mean I know she didn't have those ridden beforehand
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but it was kind of like once it caught fire she was like go go go go and don't you think that they paid her more than
00:37:30
$10 million for oh I would have to I mean if if plus the movie stuff I mean she's a billionaire if they paid her any
00:37:37
less than that they made that's highway robbery you know I mean that stuff was sold like crazy um so yeah I'll put
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together a nine part uh series MH and I'll I'll write everything in advance and we'll just nine part series nine
00:37:53
part series you just come up with that off the top of your head are you are you working on I think star made me go to go
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to the nine part series and then I here's what I'll do I'll what about what do you think one book a year for 10 for
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for nine years or or do we do them faster than that every six months every six months we if they're done and the
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thing too is if the second book's not that good they'll be like he only had six months to write it you know JB
00:38:18
smooth smooth is it JB smooth or JB smooth smooth smooth okay so JB smooth tried to tell Larry Davis
00:38:28
they they need to do 10 seasons M of Curb Your Enthusiasm and Larry David was trying to tell smooth he said look I I
00:38:39
only think I got eight or nine seasons in me why why are you so hung up on this idea of 10 seasons of Curb Your
00:38:46
Enthusiasm and JB smooth said because it's going to look nice on a shelf when you have 10 it's just a nice even number
00:38:55
it feels complete right it's it's going to look much better on my shelf sounds better than eight yeah if you would have
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told me we're just doing eight or nine of these things I I would have never have signed up right would par good 10
00:39:06
no so uh you going to work on something you're going to write something I'll go home and get started well but if you're
00:39:13
going to write something what would it be I mean are you going to write based on true crime would you write a true
00:39:19
crime novel um cuz you're more into true crime novels than than most people I know yeah
00:39:26
yeah so I don't know probably true crime or based on true crime yeah or create a
00:39:32
fictional story um that has a lot of you know lot of truth to it you know where where some of the creators are or
00:39:41
creators some of the characters are based off of elements of people you and I have studied throughout the course of
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