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[Music] many called it the mystery in the mountains and oh what a mystery it was
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a beautiful mother of two is home alone in Saxton's River Vermont she lives in a big sprawling home
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with most of the property in full view from the road in route 121 nearby [Music]
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she's well liked and well known around town and the surrounding areas she's busying herself while waiting for
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her kids to come home from school her son and daughter are due to arrive around 4pm
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surely they would come bouncing off the school bus and ready to forget the day's
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lessons and move on to time spent with their toys Hobbies or maybe to play in the
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yard with the family dog it was after all a beautiful day outside it was April 15 1986 a Tuesday and Linda
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Moore was home she would have most of the day to herself and it was a much deserved day alone
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she was going to get in a little me time Linda worked part-time at a clothing store nearby Bello Falls
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and she did the bookkeeping for her husband Stevens home remodeling business Stephen wasn't just staying busy his
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outfit consisted of several team members and it was quite successful there was plenty of work plenty of jobs
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and plenty of books to keep [Music] but that beautiful day would turn ugly and red with blood
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thankfully Steven was the first one home that Tuesday unfortunately word had to be sent out to stop the
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school bus that the two more children were on their father and the police wanted to
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intercept the bus and remove the children and prevent them from coming home and finding what their father had
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found just minutes earlier this is true crime garage and this is the still unsolved case of Linda Moore
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[Music] foreign [Music] some of the shows that are wonderful listeners love so much shows like
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Dateline and 48 Hours shows that feature a lot of solved true crime stories but also some still Unsolved Mysteries and
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murder cases would have most certainly featured the case that we are taking a look at here today had this occurred
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more recently Dateline premiered in 1992 and 48 Hours has been doing gangbusters work since
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1988. our story dates back to before both of those nighttime news magazine shows
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Linda Moore was killed in her home in the middle of the day on what should have just been another Tuesday in 1986.
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she lived with her husband and two kids in Saxton's River Vermont Saxton's river
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is in Incorporated Village in the town of Rockingham and in Windham County Vermont
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the population back in 1986 was about 550 people but keep in mind it's a village within a
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town the town of Rockingham back in 86 was home to about 5 500 residents and Windham County had a population of about
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39 000 people we covered the Connecticut River Valley cereal case the best we could in just
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two episodes that was episodes 636 and 637. we released those episodes back in December of last year so those are
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waiting there for you if you want to go back and turn your ear balls onto those episodes
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the river valley case is rather complicated these potential serial killer cases are complicated stories to
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tell typically the main reason for that is multiple victims it can be difficult for someone
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listening to keep up with the details of each of the victims and their cases keeping them clear from the details of
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the other victims in their cases the other issue is the passage of time when we talk about serial killer cases
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or as in this case the potential that the person responsible is a serial killer unfortunately some of these guys
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are able to kill over a span of many years and in some cases even decades before
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they are discovered and apprehended for example we know Jeffrey Dahmer killed 17 males over the course of
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roughly 13 years we also know that Dennis Rader the BTK killer first killed four members of the
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Otero family in 1974 and then BTK was not apprehended until three decades later in 2005. well in here in this case
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with Linda Moore it's debatable whether this case is connected to the Connecticut River Valley serial killer
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cases yeah and it for one simple fact here Captain the really truly separates this case from many of the others
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Linda Moore is killed inside of her home in Saxton River Vermont on April 15 1986. the other victims that are
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connected or believed to possibly be connected to the Connecticut River Valley killer were all found outside in
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many cases had been missing for several months for a long period of time and when the bodies are finally found and
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discovered they are in relatively bad shape extensive decomposition has taken place
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evidence is lost due to the nature of the crime scene and where the body is found here with the Linda Moore case if
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it is in fact connected to the Connecticut River Valley killer this is very much different because you
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have a couple of things that took place here she's killed one inside in a more controlled environment where one would
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expect to find evidence that wouldn't be lost to the passage of time or the outdoors the
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nature of an outdoor crime scene but she's also found relatively quickly after the attack that took her life so
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detectives are looking at this case through a very different angle and lens that they would the other cases and keep
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in mind a lot of the bodies that were found that are believed to be victims of the river
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valley killer were found across the state line in New Hampshire here we are in Vermont with the case of 36 year old
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Linda Moore I believe people could make a strong argument either way but but you have to put this killer in that
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area with that opportunity that's correct and on the afternoon of April 15 1986 Linda Moore's husband found her stabbed
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to death in their home prior to being stabbed prior to the attack It is believed that Linda Moore was sunbathing
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in their yard several people were seen outside of the Moore's household including what is
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referred to these days as a mysterious dark-haired man with cheap glasses and a blue knapsack
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although she was not left in the woods like the other victims Moore's body was stabbed in
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again what is reported as a very specific pattern that is found in some of the other
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stabbing victims in the river valley killer case profiler John philpin was brought in and worked with multiple law
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enforcement agencies in a lot of these cases and he was brought in just days after Linda Moore was killed initially
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we had a couple things going on with this case it was significantly different than the cases the other cases
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one being that they were suspicious of the husband and rightfully so most of the time it turns out to be the
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husband a lot of times it is a domestic situation and detectives believe that is
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what they were looking at with the Linda Moore case well also he is the one that
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found her body and oftentimes the perpetrator is the one that finds the body or conveniently finds the body
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John Philbin had such a difficult time with the Linda Moore case that he struggled to be able to
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determine if this should be included or separate from the other cases and in fact he put together two profiles of the
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Killer and I believe that he did this based off of the idea that he couldn't sort out if this one was connected or
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not and I agree with that 100 in fact it was about five days after five or six days after Linda Moore was found dead
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that the New Hampshire State Police and the Attorney General in New Hampshire had discussed putting together a task
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force to work on all of the unsolved cases that were piling up in the state of New
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Hampshire and they invited law enforcement from Vermont to sit in they encouraged them
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to join and send officers and detectives to join this task force in the end Vermont would say we are
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going to cooperate with New Hampshire authorities we are going to work with them communicate with them
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and assist them in any manner that we can however we will not be dedicating officers to their task force right
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and I think part of that Captain was their belief that initially this Linda Moore case had nothing to do with the
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cases that were piling up the unsolved cases that were piling up in the great state of New Hampshire but do we know if
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these stabbing patterns were released to the public no so the thing that I question here is the reports that have
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came out about this air quotes specific pattern right keep in mind a couple of the victims
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unfortunately were found skeletal remains is the situation so that you're going your only way to
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decipher what kind of stabbing pattern it would be or even if it was a bladed weapon that killed the person at all
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would be if there's certain markings on the bones because you have unfortunately no skin
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no flesh to tell you the story of the injuries right and they did find evidence that a lot of these decomposed
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bodies were the victims of a stabbing initially what I had read there were multiple reports that came
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out that said that the stabbing pattern the specific stabbing pattern was stabbed to the upper portion of the body
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so up near the neck area including the neck area and then in almost a V pattern toward the upper
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abdomen however further digging I found other reports that seem to suggest a much different
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attack and my question here Captain is without knowing the specifics without having those Case Files those actual
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case files in the autopsy reports it's difficult to determine how many of these victims shared the same injuries
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or that same pattern of injuries because further digging tells us that some of the victims it's believed that their
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throats were slashed possibly from behind and that there were a dozen or so stab wounds to the lower abdomen right
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so if you want to picture this and I bet you don't but you're listening to the show so you probably are hold on
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let me get my sandwich if you want to picture this in your mind the attack the way that it would go down in the first
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case it would very likely be a very aggressive attacker attacking the victim and stabbing in a downward motion
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to the neck and the upper portion of the body up near the shoulders and around the heart and lung area
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the other attack style B if you will is very different the the slashing of the throat the slit
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throats and there is evidence to suggest that the attacker was actually behind the victim
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when they slash the throat slit the throat and then when the victim fell to the ground or the floor as in Linda
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Moore's case then stabbed the lower abdomen repeatedly before leaving the body well that could mean a couple
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things one simple explanation is we have two killers if there's two types of attacks the
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other is it's the same killer but the attacks are happening differently based on the position of the victim to the
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attacker correct and so for those not familiar with the Connecticut River Valley killer let's fill in some of the
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blanks here before we get into Linda Moore's case the Connecticut River Valley killer is the name given to an
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unidentified serial killer believed to be responsible for a series of stabbing murders that took place in and around
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Claremont New Hampshire and the Connecticut River Valley primarily in the 1980s no one can seem to agree on
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what victims belong to this killer but some of the victims that some believe could be connected to the river valley
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killer are victims from the 70s and even the late 60s and as said we are going to get into the
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still unsolved Linda Moore homicide case that's why we are here but you can't talk about Linda Moore's case without
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talking about the Connecticut River Valley case now for the sake of moving things along
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I'm just going to say River Valley killer or river valley cases a lot of times in this week's story
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to be clear there is another killer out there known as the river valley killer who
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thankfully has been apprehended but this is in a different part of our country Charles Ray Vines was the infamous
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killer known as the river valley killer but that was in Arkansas so if you get online and start poking
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around on this case just know that this case is unsolved and we are not talking about Charles Vines AKA The
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River Valley killer who raped and killed two elderly women in Arkansas in the 1990s he was caught in 2000. Vines was a
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rapist and killer his first victim was a legally blind woman she was 89 years old
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Captain she lived by herself he savagely beat and raped her in her home in April
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of 1993. thankfully she survived the attack but she was unable to identify the attacker
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two months later he attacked another woman this time killing her and then in 1995 a 74 year old woman
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Ruth Henderson was brutally assaulted and killed in a crime scene that was incredibly disturbing but disturbingly
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similar to one of the previous murders do you think that the previous murder do you think that some of these killers
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start off with like elderly victims because they know that they can physically overtake them easier I don't
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want to get too much into the psychology of it here Captain but from what I've found is oftentimes when we are talking
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about an elderly woman who is attacked raped and murdered it's very weird because oftentimes the
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attacker is a younger male right and I think it goes into what you're saying there that as as a younger male
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or somebody that's not committed this type of crime before and I hate to say this word but it's the truth they lack
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confidence and they are looking for a weaker prey someone that is easy somebody that is
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vulnerable to attack and we know that even once these killers get confidence and once they have killed before and
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intend to kill again they still look for vulnerable prey and weaker persons to attack
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but they start to hone in more on their preferred type of victim the one that they fantasize about right with the
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elderly women who knows what Vines was fantasizing about maybe that's what he was fantasizing about you also have
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opportunistic killers that will just attack and a kill and kill whoever is vulnerable whoever is available to them
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when they go out hunting for a victim now fortunately as said Vines was apprehended in 2000 this is because he
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was caught red-handed in the act this is when the parents of a 16 year old girl much different victim type here they
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come home they find Charles Ray Vines in the middle of stabbing their daughter and Vines was supposed to be a family
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friend this was somebody that was known to to the family and so he's arrested he's sentenced to
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three life terms without the possibility of parole he admits to the other murders
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that they had suspected him of and this to avoid the death penalty all of that information came from the
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good Folks at oxygen which did a very intriguing story on Charles Ray vines on their series snapped
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and you hope given those dates that we just went through in the location of those attacks by Vines you hope and pray
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that Charles Ray Vines was looked at in the Melissa Witt case who was abducted and killed in December of 94. and Morgan
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Nick who was abducted in June of 1995. so let's get back to the case at hand today the Linda Moore case yes and as
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said you cannot talk about Linda Moore's case without discussing the Connecticut
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River Valley case and we said in our episodes 636 and 637 that we intended to cover Linda's case
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in a separate episode because again the case is so different from the river valley cases when you look at
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them as a whole Linda was a wife and mother of two her and her husband Stephen Moore owned a
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somewhat well-known house on Route 121 in Saxton's River Vermont they lived either on or near what is
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referred to as tid's corner so this looks like to be a big house with a barn a decent sized yard but the
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thing here that's going to play a key role in this investigation and in this True Crime Story
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is that their home is in full view of passing cars and passer buyers that are on Route 121. well even though this is a
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small town this is a busy road and so this is a house that it it would have been a desirable house so we all know
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those routes that we take those Country Roads where you go oh here comes this really neat barn house coming up it was
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one of those this was a like a landmark House of this road and people when they drove by were in the habit of kind of
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looking over and checking out the house the Moors were very fond of their home they were very house proud and given
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Stephen's job as a home remodeling a person that owned his own Home Remodeling Company you can imagine the
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upkeep level in the maintenance level that's probably going on at the Moore house so it's a desirable home but also
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the you can see Act activity right people going in and out of the house maybe people in the backyard the dogs
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outside these are all things that drivers would regularly note when they passed by the house and we know this
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based off of the people that live nearby people that lived in the surrounding areas because 121 was heavily trafficked
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Road a lot of people told police this but also you had the police the sheriff's department saying their
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deputies and their officers when they were out driving did the same thing it was just a natural thing that you did
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you look over and see what's going on on tid's corner and at the Moore house again this will play a key factor into
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today's investigation on April 15 1986 36 year old Linda Moore was home alone while her husband is at
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work it's a Tuesday at around 2PM this is believed to be the last time that she is seen in the yard of her home
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and we're going to have a lot of things that are a lot of moving pieces going on
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here so Stephen Moore has several guys working for him they're remodeling a home that is approximately five to six
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miles away from the Moore house on this day his guys are supposed to be working until about 3 30. as we said earlier
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Linda works part-time but she also does some of the bookkeeping for Steven's business right so on this day Steven has
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a conversation with his wife via the telephone where he says one of the guys is going to be stopping by to pick up a
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check she says okay no problem they have that conversation this is before lunchtime
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Stephen Moore leaves for what's reported to be about 10 minutes around lunch and
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he's seen going to a local store to get a sandwich and he returns to the work site
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relatively quickly gone roughly 10 minutes later that day he goes to send his guy one of his guys
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down to the dump they have a dump truck out at this property that they're working on any of the materials that
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they're discarding go in the dump truck and then they need to be taken to the dump driven to the dump so this guy is
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going to drive the dump truck that will be his last job of the day and then he's
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due to leave about 3 30. so this is all going on right around three o'clock well
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the guy that's driving the truck to the dump he needs to pay the dump for taking
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that load there the way this works is you go in and they weigh your vehicle and then you go dump
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your stuff in the dump and you come back and they weigh your vehicle again and then they charge you for the the weight
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so he tells his driver stop off at my house on your way there pick up a check from Linda I'll call her and have the
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check ready and this should take you to the end of the day he says okay no problem
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so at the work site Stephen Moore goes into the home that they're working on and he picks up and uses their landline
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to call his wife the phone rings and rings and rings and Rings again this is right around three o'clock
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he thinks well this is strange the kids will be home soon she should be home for
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when the bus arrives after school but the phone's ringing so she must not be home
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well he can't stop and pick up a check because Linda's not there to write the check and give it to the driver of the
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dump truck so he very quickly Flags down his driver and says continue on to my house I'm
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leaving here in two minutes I'll meet you there I'll write the check dump truck driver leaves the work site
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heads toward the Moore house within two minutes Stephen Moore leaves the work site and the way that it's explained to
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me Captain is that Stephen Moore had a bit of a Lead Foot this guy liked to get where he was going and like to get there
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fast so he leaves the work site again it's about five to six miles away from the
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more home and he actually passes the dump truck on his way to his own home so he arrives before his worker does and
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he goes inside and he sees his wife's vehicle in the driveway and he says I was a little annoyed here
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she is at home doesn't have things going on I need something for work she's supposed to be
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keeping the books I called she didn't even answer so he goes into the home and he's a
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little annoyed but he noticed how quiet the house was as soon as he walked in the dog was outside
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they have a a family dog and the dog was outside of the home and it was typical for the dog to lay out in the yard her
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car's there dogs in the yard he sees his wife's sandals outside he also sees a portable radio outside
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it's not on but he sees it out there goes into the home notices how quiet it is he sees a package of crackers or some
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kind of snack item out on the countertop in the kitchen and he goes in and he's kind of you know
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we all kind of do this he's kind of complaining out loud you know thinking that his wife will hear
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him he's kind of complaining that she didn't pick up the phone didn't want to have to stop by the house and fill out a
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check well this is when he notices that his wife is lying face down in a doorway between
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I I probably shouldn't say doorway Captain it's probably more of an entrance way between their kitchen and
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their living room she's face down he does see a little red near her but he doesn't immediately
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understand what it is and then he goes rushes over to his wife he thinks she just fell
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has some kind of accident yeah or fainting yes rolls are over and immediately that I mean this is pretty
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gruesome stuff here he sees the the the cuts on to the throat area and he said Not only did he see red
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but he saw White and this was on her arm and near the throw area so he's seeing not just blood
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the back and cheers to you Colonel and remember you're smarter if you stay at the Holiday Inn yeah we've the captain I
00:37:30
have experienced that on a couple of occasions you're also taller uh here's a weird thing Captain so in
00:37:38
this story one thing that I wanted to look up immediately is when did 9-1-1 right we have 9-1-1 you can pick up your
00:37:46
phone and call for emergency services you don't exactly need to know exactly the phone number for the police station
00:37:54
or EMTs Poison Control you call 9-1-1 you tell them what's happening and hopefully they can connect you to the
00:38:02
appropriate channels well the internet tells me that 1968 was the first time that 9-1-1 was available
00:38:13
I'm wondering if it is available across the country that early because our cases
00:38:19
in 1986. and one problem that Stephen Moore amongst other problems that he will have
00:38:28
is that when he arrives finds his wife he runs over to the nearest phone you know they're on the the ground level
00:38:36
of their home picks it up and he says there was a bit of a delay maybe 30 seconds maybe 45 seconds he could not
00:38:47
remember the phone number for the ambulance services in his area yeah but at this point you're freaking out you're
00:38:54
seeing blood you're seeing bone your wife you come in you're angry we've all been there oh I've been working my butt
00:39:02
off I come back she's not doing nothing and then you see her now you're in shock
00:39:07
you can't remember the number for the ambulance so he ends up calling the operator dial zero tell the operator
00:39:15
what's going on the operator has to give him the number for the ambulance service
00:39:19
to which he then hangs up and calls them Okay ambulance arrives and it's believed
00:39:27
by all involved including law enforcement that the ambulance arrives on the scene Within
00:39:35
10 to 15 minutes at the very latest of Stephen Moore arriving at his house and the reason why we can verify this
00:39:44
information is remember the dump truck driver left the work site before Stephen Stephen speeds past him arrives at his
00:39:54
home first and then the doctor the dump truck driver arrives within a minute or two behind Stephen Moore right so
00:40:03
Stephen goes into the home and then he comes running out yelling at his worker saying get in here I need your
00:40:10
help my wife's been stabbed so we have his worker to tell us what time approximately that they arrived and
00:40:18
then we have the ambulance to tell us what time they arrived on the scene the ambulance says that when they arrived
00:40:25
the woman unfortunately Linda Moore was beyond help she had been dead for and the the driver said she had been
00:40:35
dead for at least an hour in his opinion now here's another funny part of the story and not funny haha it's funny
00:40:43
scratch your head but as you said Captain Stephen Moore likely is in panic mode at this time
00:40:51
the ambulance says are the police on their way Stephen Moore has not called the police
00:40:59
and so the ambulance driver says well I'm gonna have to call the police the ambulance driver sees Blood on the
00:41:07
handle on the receiver of the phone that's nearby Linda Moore's body so he runs upstairs to the next nearest
00:41:16
phone to call the police yeah he just wanted to disturb the evidence it's believed that the police were on
00:41:23
scene within 10 to 15 minutes after the ambulance driver called them like you said it's a very small town
00:41:31
the other strange thing here for Stephen Moore is remember he was in route to his
00:41:37
house to write a check for the driver to go to the dump he then goes upstairs and gets his
00:41:45
checkbook and writes the check for his driver to continue on his way of course everybody
00:41:51
found this to be incredibly weird yeah it's a little fishy kind of fish stick fishy maybe not so much halibut fishy
00:42:01
police arrive on the scene and now we have the father Stephen Moore the husband Stephen Moore who's telling police my
00:42:11
kids their school bus is going to pull up any minute now they typically arrive before four
00:42:18
yeah nobody wants them walking into this scene for a million reasons well let's stop there for a second because do you
00:42:27
find it odd that he wrote the check because you have this dump truck you have this employee
00:42:33
you have to get them out of there I don't find it that strange I think the police found it very odd I'm sure maybe
00:42:40
even the dump truck driver found it odd I'm with you though there are some of the people truck driver find it odd he
00:42:47
he can't leave until he gets paid right well he's he's not being paid the the dump needs to be
00:42:54
paid for right for taking the load there but I mean the dump truck could go there in the
00:43:01
morning or two days from now like not you don't have to continue doing right everything that you normally would do
00:43:08
when you find your wife stabbed to death on the kitchen floor right so I for those reasons yes that's why everybody
00:43:15
would find it odd but also the dump truck driver basically establishes his Alibi because he was with him at the
00:43:23
work scene and then they had to drive from the work scene over to their house so that would be his Alibi so you'd
00:43:29
think that he would want him to stick around and talk to the police officers to establish his Alibi the reason why I
00:43:35
can agree with you is we've seen some people and have I I've experienced this personally where some people they don't
00:43:42
they just don't know what to do and the way that they are wired tells them to just
00:43:48
keep on keeping on keep moving right like oh like even it's almost like a default
00:43:56
reaction right I I can't process what's happened and so my default is oh I was doing this
00:44:04
action I'll just do this action yeah it's busy work so that's what I think happened now
00:44:10
rightfully so he and the police are worried about the kids arriving they actually sent out a couple Cruisers to
00:44:16
try to track down the bus to stop them from arriving on scene they did stop a bus it turned out to be
00:44:22
the wrong one so the kids do arrive at the house from my understanding by this point several people have been notified
00:44:30
as to what what happened uh Stephen Moore immediately called a few people while the police were trying to track
00:44:37
down the bus uh the people he called was his attorney and his I can't remember Captain if it was his
00:44:48
parents or his in-laws but the parents were called and thankfully so because when the kids arrive Stephen Moore is
00:44:57
out front and he has to tell his children what he has found he has to tell them that their mother has been
00:45:03
murdered and thankfully either his parents or Linda Moore's parents were there to take the children and remove
00:45:11
them from the more home they never step foot inside the home okay but let me stop you
00:45:18
there another Captain question for you ding ding ding do you find it odd that he called his
00:45:24
lawyer yes and here's the thing with this case what it reminds me a lot of is the
00:45:32
actions of a one John Ramsey let's say right where you have all these actions by somebody that's very close to the
00:45:42
victim that's found inside the home and you can look at it from different angles and have a different opinion on
00:45:53
the person so like in John Ramsey's case we have all of these things that he did and some
00:45:59
people oh this is weird this is not how you're supposed to behave and then others that say no
00:46:04
this movement this action is pretty logical in this situation and here's why now the police were it was not lost on
00:46:13
them that oh one of the first calls you make if not the first call was to your attorney
00:46:19
so they grilled him about this and what they found out was that in the end the attorney that he called was his business
00:46:27
attorney slash best friend okay so this is a long time friend and this is not somebody that you would hire
00:46:36
to defend you in a murder investigation right so he's not calling his best friend to get legal
00:46:45
advice he's following his best friend because he's going well look he has to figure out what he's
00:46:50
going to do with his children he's calling to get friend advice not legal advice right
00:46:56
so that's one of those things that on the surface it looks rather suspicious and then you do the fishing and then you
00:47:03
go okay not not really suspicious at all right what's interesting is we hear a lot of
00:47:10
times in the river valley cases that no suspects were ever named publicly and that's true never named publicly by the
00:47:21
police the media and local certainly named some suspects and we hear the same thing for the Linda Moore case as well
00:47:29
no suspects ever named publicly but what we do have beneath the surface is the lead detective told Stephen Moore
00:47:39
look buddy you understand you are our Prime Suspect here in this case you're behaving strangely your movements
00:47:48
your actions seem odd you seem disconnected from the situation you have a check written uh we're asking you
00:47:55
questions about your wife and you are giving us emotionless answers and he says you gotta understand Stephen
00:48:04
ninety percent of the time this is a domestic situation ninety percent of these cases the husband is involved yeah
00:48:12
the husband did it and he also told Stephen Moore something that I found very interesting given that
00:48:19
Stephen Moore was the one that found his wife and given the timeline that Stephen
00:48:25
Moore is able to provide to Detectives he tells Stephen Moore look you're in a strange Catch-22 situation because you
00:48:37
are the prime suspect but you also are our best witness [Music] foreign so much more to get to
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