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we all are Someone's Child many of us have children of our own we raise our children and do the very best that we
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can to help them to grow up to be good and kind A wise man once told me that you
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cannot be too hard on your children but you also cannot be their best friend and it's a parents duty to raise
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their children up to be good citizens and to do so your role as a parent should fall somewhere right in
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the middle of disciplinarian and best friend this week's subject is a missing person's
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case here our missing person was really just starting to come of age and this young man's life was really just
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starting to take shape no longer was he a boy he was becoming a man with dreams goals and
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responsibilities all of his own he was becoming a good contributing member of society he was a good citizen just as
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his parents had raised him to be Gregory Keith man Jr was 20 years old when he went
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missing recently he had moved into his own apartment not terribly far from his parents
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house he was striking out on his own with a new job that could turn into a career a fiance who had just finished
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College he went by his middle named Keith Gregory man was his father's name and so to friends family and colleagues
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he was Keith but with all of these new beginnings in Keith's life there was so much more going on and
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so many more moving pieces I'm sure Keith was looking forward to things settling down
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soon and settling into his adult life and the life that he was building and the love that he and his fiance would
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build together who is to say what would have come of any of this Keith's relationship
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or his new job we don't know and very sadly I say we will never know Keith disappeared sometime between
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the hours of midnight and 6:00 a.m. on May 11 1997 this after returning to his apartment in witcho Falls
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Texas he has never been heard from again the witch all Falls Times Record News covered the case extensive ly over
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the years newspaper coverage in a case that no one could have anticipated would go
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unsolved and unresolved for 25 years now I'll read you portions of one of the very first news articles in key case the
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headline was simple and to the point and read police searching for witch it all falls
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man the article reads police are searching for a 20-year-old man who was last seen Saturday night at the fountain
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Gate Apartments on Barnett Road friends dropped Keith ban Jr off in the parking lot of the apartment complex
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around midnight has not been seen since police Lieutenant lur Arnold said authorities have no evidence of Foul
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Play when he was last seen Keith was wearing an ivory colored shirt blue jeans and a beige baseball hat
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Keith was driving a 1994 red Mustang with dealer tags days prior to his disappearance the vehicle was found
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early Sunday morning in a parking lot next to his parents house anyone with information should
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contact the criminal investigations division of the witch Falls Police Department now notice in that report it
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is stated that the authorities have no evidence of Foul Play that does not mean that Foul Play was not
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suspected as with most cases theories change sometimes overnight and sometimes no evidence can become evidence of a
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different kind just with the passing of time the question of Foul Play In this case whether or not it should be
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suspected changed rather quickly and make no mistake about it today as the case stands Foul Play is
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very much suspected because if it were not for someone or what seems more probable someone's out there well then
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Keith would still be here with us now still working on those dreams goals and responsibilities today probably
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fulfilling some of them over the years and creating new ones as he grew while it saddens me to report that
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we are coming up on 25 years now that Keith has been missing I am hopeful that for Keith's family and his real true
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friends that soon we may have some answers you see this is not a Cold Case sure it's been a little chilly over the
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years but not cold and never frigid wital Falls Police Department have worked the case hard and
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intelligently over the years detectives have managed to stir up several good leads every so often to
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keep the case alive this case is very active and with the 25- year anniversary of the
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day that this young man went missing approaching us on the calendar the case is heating up once again with renewed
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interest from everyone including law enforcement and the media we he at True Crime garage are
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very happy to be a part of that renewed interest and awareness in Keith's case and we sincerely hope and pray that us
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talking about this case here in the garage this week will in some way big or small help help to get much needed and
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deserved answers for a grieving family there are many in the witch all Falls Community that have never forgotten
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about Keith man Jr including the police department the current detective working
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the case told us guys let me be clear this is a very open and active police investigation I am also happy to report
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report that the reward for information in this case is increasing with the 25 year
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anniversary suspects and Witnesses are being interviewed again leads are being chased and the tips that are sure to
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come pouring in will be followed up on personally I firmly believe and have reason to believe that not only does
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more than one person know what happened to Keith it's likely more than one person played a role in Keith
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disappearance I am looking forward to what new information may come and I believe one day murder charges will be
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issued in this case this week we are featuring The unsolved case of Keith man Jr who has
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been missing from witch all Falls Texas since May of 1997 this is true crime garage
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[Music] this week we find ourselves once again in the great state of Texas for another
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True Crime Story this one a missing person's case now 25 years old out of Witchita Falls with the population of
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right around 100,000 people Witchita Falls is located in the northern portion of Texas not far from the state line in
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fact Witchita Falls is only about 15 minutes south of the Oklahoma Texas border our story takes place back in
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1997 now before we go through the details leading up to Keith's disappearance we need to go through some
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background information in this case Keith man Jr was born on February 19th 1977 so at the time of his disappearance
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he was just 20 years old as a little kid Keith was a Sweet Child and his love of
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sports came at a young age he loved Sports of any kind he also fell in love with motorcycles when he was a little
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older Keith's mother and father did not live together and Keith lived with his mother when he was little when he would
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go visit his dad they had little mini bikes and the two of them would spend the day riding around town for hours the
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summer before 9th grade Keith decided to live with his dad and stepmom and go to
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high school some of this decision for Keith wanting to live with his father is obviously to become closer with his dad
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and his stepmom but some of this decision came about because of the baseball program at the high school
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where his father lived Keith loved baseball and was not ready to give up on base baseball he did not want for high
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school to be the last of his baseball playing days and the high school near his father's home had a good baseball
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program good enough that some of the kids that played on that team would go on to play at the Collegiate level so
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Keith made the difficult decision to change schools at an age when many have no desire to do so he was now living in
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witcha Falls Texas with his father and stepmother he attended Ryder High School where he got good grades and excelled on
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the ball field Keith played baseball loved Sports and was very active in school but it seems like baseball was
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his primary focus Keith was good enough at baseball that he earned a scholarship
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when he graduated from Ryder High School back in 1995 Keith went on to attend North Central Texas Junior College on
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that scholarship this college is about an hour and a half away from wital Falls yes North Central Junior college is
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located in Gainesville Texas Now Keith went to that college for one year where he was very well-liked and seemed to
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have no known enemies there he played baseball but playing time was scarce and Keith started to seek out another change
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in his life but although the baseball wasn't panning out for him in Gainesville going off to college was not
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a total loss in fact far from it because while he was there at North Central Keith met Carrie kitchens and the two
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fell for each other their relationship would blossom into something stronger Carri was there to play volleyball and
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Keith to play baseball so they had Sports in common as well as some mutual friends this would blossom into a
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boyfriend girlfriend relationship and while the boyfriend girlfriend relationship would continue Keith's
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baseball days were coming to an end after a year of college Keith decided to move back to wit all fall
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he moved in with his parents dad and stepmom and lived with them for about 4 months or so Keith's story is very
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similar to most college students they go away they live at College it's not working out he's coming back home to be
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with his family yes this will put him back in which it all falls which once there he's going to live with his
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parents from roughly January till April so this is all still in 1997 during that time period Keith would
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pick up a new job one that he liked and surprisingly he fit right into the position that one might not think would
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appeal to someone with Keith's personality so we need to give you a little background on his personality and
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this is as it's been described to us Keith's personality was that he was a nice young man well-liked and smart
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however everyone says that he was shy and not very outgoing some of of his family say Keith may have had some bouts
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with anxiety so when I hear those sorts of things it's really a surprise to me to hear that Keith took a job as a
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salesperson at a car dealership usually these are more outgoing personality types the happy
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go-lucky talking types and Keith as said was a little more reserved and shy as his parents said according to his family
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Keith really liked the job he started this job working as a salesperson at a dealership called Ron Roberts Ford which
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was located in which it's all falls Keith started working there approximately 8 weeks before he vanished
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and as said Keith liked the job he was fitting in and more importantly he was selling cars so he had some success 3
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weeks after he started working at Ron Roberts Ford and after showing some success and good work ethic Keith was
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eligible for the dealership's demo program this is a kind of commonplace practice where the dealership will allow
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employees to sign out vehicles and drive them after work hours well even though he was shy I mean the nice thing about
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working on a car dealership is the customers are coming to you as long as you know what you're talking about you
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got a reason to talk in April of 97 Keith made another change this when he moved into an apartment of his own
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located only about a mile away from his parents' place and as we said an apartment of his own but he would not be
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living there for very long all by himself because Keith and Carrie they've recently gotten engaged and after she
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was going to finish with school she was going to move in with Keith in fact she was scheduled to move in on May 11th
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this just hours after Keith went missing yeah so even though baseball didn't work
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work out or college didn't work out he's back at home he finds a job he has an apartment he's getting engaged his
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girlfriend's going to move in with him he's he's starting his life I mean he's on the upswing yes and let's break down
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this timeline a little further in a recap if you will Keith starts the new job at the dealership in early to midm
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March of 1997 then Keith moved into his apartment at the fountain gate apartment
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complex he moved into the apartment in April this apartment again is only about a mile away from his parents' home so he
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is there at the apartment starting in April and remember he and Carrie recently engaged Carrie's going to be
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moving in with him on May 11th the same day that he went missing Keith went missing sometime between the hours of
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midnight after being dropped off by his friends and 6:00 a.m. the next morning when the vehicle that Keith was driving
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was found abandoned Carrie his girlfriend and fiance was planning on arriving at the apartment on the
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afternoon of the 11th that same day and since she was finished with college and the two were engaged she was going to be
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staying at the apartment moving in and living there starting on that day so we have some pretty good background
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information everything leading up to the time frame that is very important here and this is the last few days before
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Keith vanished we should talk about Foul Play though captain because we brought it up in the trailer and we've touched
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on it a little bit and I want to get into this before we get into the more detailed timeline of the days leading up
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to his disappearance because I don't want there to be a foul play versus no foul play debate going forward so the
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earliest news article says police have found no evidence of Foul Play this is just the article that comes out a couple
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days after he's missing however if you were to ask his family and we did they will tell you that Keith didn't just up
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and walk away from his life and his family they did say that with Keith and the fiance moving in together at the
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same weekend that he went missing that certainly was an early suspicion of theirs right it sounds like to me
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Captain the early suspicion of pretty much everyone including law enforcement was that maybe he had gotten
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cold feet and decided that he didn't want to get married or didn't want to live together and so that he would just
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kind of go away for a little bit giving her the hint that maybe this isn't going
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to work out or hey I've had a change of mind but as the days went on they very quickly his family and law
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enforcement changed their suspicions of that to actually we think that there was
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Foul Play involved because Keith is not here anymore and so one thing we should give a little background on is that
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remember we said Keith and his Keith's mother and father didn't live together Keith's father remarried when he was
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only 2 years old his mother lives all the way in New Mexico and when Keith was a little boy he would live with his mom
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and visit his father his father lived in New Mexico when he was a little boy with
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his new stepmother at some point dad and stepmom moved to Witchita Falls Texas we
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know that this is before Keith went off to high school because he gets his eye on that high school with the good
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baseball program in Dad's neighborhood all the way in wiah Falls Texas and decides hey I'm going to move out there
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and live with Dad and my stepmom Deborah so the thought here Captain was that maybe he gets cold feet about the fiance
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moving in decides maybe he doesn't want to be engaged anymore what have you and maybe he ran off to mom's house in New
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Mexico you know anybody that has parents that live separate homes and especially
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this far away from one another you kind of have a safe haven to retreat to should things not be going your way
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right so very quickly what they're able to do is they're able to kind of squash those suspicions by first contacting his
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mother I've not seen him I've not heard from him he's not staying with me is the
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response they get and when they don't have any confirmation of Keith being anywhere else other than where he should
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be at that apartment and then going off to his job just like he would on any other Ordinary Day their suspicions from
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well no foul play to Foul Play shift rather quickly like you said by not being there maybe it scares off your
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fiance but not showing up to work now you could potentially lose your job which then would cause you to lose your
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apartment as well so you're basically everything that you've just built in this last year going to going to be
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wiping the SL slate clean and starting all over the thing here too Captain is we have that statement by police early
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on that says we have no evidence of Foul Play the scary thing is when your suspicion changes of well he there must
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have been Foul Play because he's not with us he's disappeared somebody must be responsible for whatever happened to
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him well the scary part is then you start going okay we have no evidence of Foul Play because either a some did a
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really good job of covering up what they had done or B we don't know where and when the foul
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play occurred so we don't know where to look for the evidence of Foul Play Let's dive
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into the timeline and events that led to The Disappearance right so we've covered
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the months and weeks leading up to The Disappearance but now we're going to go into the actual days leading up to it
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and of course the major time frame that we are going to be concern concerned with in Keith's disappearance is the
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window that we have referenced but will once again emphasize here that is starting at approximately 11:45 p.m. on
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Saturday night and then goes until 6:00 a.m. Sunday morning when we know his vehicle was already parked and abandoned
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at that parking spot near his parents home and we'll get into those details now so on Thursday May 8th what we have
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here plain and simple order AR day Keith goes to work and then he drives to his parents' home in Wich it all
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falls his apartments in witch all falls as well about a mile away he drops by the parents house he parks on the street
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according to his family this is this will be key information later so make note of that on that Thursday May 8th he
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parks on the street and his mom and dad say that he is driving a pickup truck that that day remember he's a part of
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this dealership demo program so he will regularly be driving different Vehicles he can take Vehicles whatever vehicle
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his manager will allow him to sign out right for that day so they say on that day he dropped by the house briefly
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before going to his apartment for the night he was driving a pickup truck and he parked on the street on Friday May
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9th his girlfriend and fiance Carrie had just grabed graduated from Junior College where they had met your mom goes
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to college so he goes and his parents go to the graduation ceremony followed by a
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dinner remember the college is an hour and a half away and we have Keith who drives
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separately and we have his parents who take their vehicle they all drive out to Witchita Falls and it's kind of like
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Convoy style right they're they're traveling separately but they're basically following each other there and
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following each other back so they have dinner they go to the graduation and then they return back to witch all falls
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at some point during the return trip they say that you know Keith has to go his separate way to his apartment and
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they continue on to their home this will unfortunately be the last time that his
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parents his dad Gregory Keith man and his stepmother Deborah man would see Keith one thing that I found weird here
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Captain was it's my understanding that one of Keith's sisters he had younger sisters one of his sisters at least one
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of them rode with him to the graduation right so they're in the car for roughly an hour and a half together and later
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his sister I believe she was about 12 or so said that he seemed distracted that whole night to her and it's my
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understanding that she did not ride home with them because she would go home with
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her parents and we know that they went their separate ways at some point on that trip home this leads us to Saturday
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May 10th and this will be the key day here to really pay attention to all of these movements so the story has always
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been this remember he's employed at that Ron Roberts Ford at that time it was located on
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maboro Highway in wiah Falls this is back in 97 he reported for work on that Saturday May 10th and he had a good day
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he sold two vehicles Keith had plans to deliver one of the vehicles on Monday mhm the
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dealership allowed him to drive home a vehicle for the night and Keith selected a red 1996 Ford Mustang and requested a
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gasoline voucher as he did not have any cash at the time It is believed that he filled the car's tank after leaving work
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that evening at 900 p.m. using the voucher Keith returned to his residence at the fountain Gate Apartments on
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Barnett Road he spoke to his fiance on the telephone and this has always been reported to be around 9:30 p.m. that
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evening Keith told her that his friends were picking him up to go out for the evening remembered Keith and Carrie plan
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to meet the following day as she was moving in to bring everybody up to speed here Carrie already has a key to the
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apartment so Keith from my understanding wasn't going to start the lease on the apartment until May 1st but it was one
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of those situations where the previous occupants had moved out early landlord calls up Keith and says hey the
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apartment's available whenever you want it and he decided to move in early so he
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moved in sometime in April Well Carrie still away at College she's spending her some of the time on her weekends driving
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items and personal belongings of hers to the apartment and so she's already loading things into the apartment during
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the weekends leading up to his disappearance and plan to move in permanently on May 11th the following
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day we should point out that Carrie was with her family in Dallas Fort Worth on on this Saturday they I believe they
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attended a concert this was all still part of the celebration of her graduation her parents were really
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treating her to a nice weekend so he's at his apartment and it's always been reported that they spoke on the phone
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that night around 9:30 that evening pay attention to these times Keith and his two friends remember he's going to go
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out and these two friends are Chris and Chris's fiance Michelle they pick up Keith at his apartment
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Keith works with Chris and I've seen it reported that Michelle worked at the dealership as well I'm not certain if
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that's 100% accurate but I've seen it reported that way we know for 100% that Chris his buddy worked at Ron Roberts
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Ford as well after picking him up they stop at Aina gas station this was located on mcneel Avenue this is kind of
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a busy road in Witchita Falls the business security camera videotape shows them go inside the store at 10 p.m. and
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we also know that Keith was there because he uses his fiance's Fina credit card at the gas station to buy some
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snacks right Chris was older remember Keith is only 20 so he's not old enough to buy beer but Chris he's a little bit
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older I think 2 years older than Keith so he's going to buy some beer for the group after this they visited a
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McDonald's restaurant before going mudding in one of the dealership's cars that Chris had borrowed for the
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evening this is kind of a weird part of the story right because what we're going
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to have here Captain is Keith will vanish shortly after hanging out with these two friends so we really should
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put everything they say and all of their movements under a microscope as we're going through this timeline here and
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part of this timeline is Chris and Michelle saying that we are going mudding what I found weird about this is
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that they were borrowing a vehicle from the dealership to go mudding in that doesn't seem incredibly responsible
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sounds like something the captain would do it sounds like you're setting yourself up to do damage to the vehicle
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and you're either going to have to pay out of pocket or lose your job or both but again they're all in their early 20s
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and it sounds like something people would do in their early 20s just not well thought out some people do some
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dumb stuff I've got dumb stuff planned for this evening after they went mudding now Chris wants to clean off the vehicle
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right so they go to a car wash where they're going to hose it down and during this time period it's always been
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reported that Keith says to Chris and Michelle that he needed to go home soon because he was meeting someone at
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12:15 a there's some debate on what happens here because it's always been reported that
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Keith did not mention the person's name or the location of the meeting or why they were meeting to to begin with yeah
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very suspicious very creepy part of the story his friends drop him off and Chris
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and Michelle say that they saw Keith walk up the stairs toward his apartment at approximately 11:45 p.m. that night
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but they did not see Keith enter his residence he has never been heard from [Music]
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Captain if we were 20 years younger we would pick up some beers and go mudding tonight yeah done and done done and done
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all right uh so go ahead so Thursday he goes to work he has a laner car he visits his parents on
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Friday they go to this graduation drive separate vehicles on Saturday he goes to work sells some cars
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and he goes out with his friends and they drop him off at his apartment around midnight mhm how many
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individuals were there when they dropped him off from my understanding it's Chris
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and Michelle that are dropping him off the same two that picked him up the same two that he went to the gas station
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McDonald's and mudding with right and add a little more detail here we have okay so it's reported that Chris
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he's on the dealership's demo program as well and so he signed out a black Nissan
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Pathfinder this is an SUV especially in these days you get an SUV every every young man is excited to take it
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off-roading whether all these years later we learned that most of them are not built to go
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off-roading but they get this Pathfinder and they go mudding and according to the
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information I have here Captain is that they went to a place behind Memorial Stadium and they went mudding for
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approximately 45 minutes and it's my understanding that this is a well-lit area it's also a area that people back
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then would take vehicles and go off-roading with them they washed the vehicle at a local car wash on the way
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home and then Keith at some point has told them I'm meeting someone at 12:15 does not say who he's meeting or where
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or why seems pretty late to be meeting somebody it's very late but he's 20 years old he's been in his first
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apartment on his own for six weeks you know people's hours get real weird when they don't live with Mom and Dad for the
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first few weeks yeah or somebody could be dropping just dropping by to see the apartment or dropping something off for
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his apartment so to be clear here though as far as law enforcements concerned it's always been reported in the public
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that Keith never said who he was meeting it almost paints a picture of he was trying to hide something mhm trying to
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be sec ative about something however law enforcement has told us and told a couple of other
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people that that's a little unclear to them because when asking Chris and Michelle to recount the kns events both
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of them seem to want to try to recall a name almost like Keith had told them a name but they just couldn't remember it
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so we could just assume that maybe it was an individual that they just didn't know no someone they didn't know what I
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think is clear here though is they didn't know the location or the reason for the meeting Keith may have said
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someone's name he may have not if you told me if we're hanging out at the bar and I go to drop you off at your house
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that you have to meet somebody but it was somebody that I wasn't familiar with I probably less likely to remember their
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name but if you said oh you know our buddy uh Todd or our buddy Paul I'm going to meet them well I I'd remember
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that when they drop him off when they drop Keith off at his apartment they drop him in the parking lot and he has
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to walk up the steps to his apartment they say that they see him going up the steps but do not see him enter the
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apartment however when he gets out of the Pathfinder remember they picked up beers
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earlier that night at the gas station yeah b r you in beer run he took three of the beer with him and this will be
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key because there's obvious signs later that he made it into his apartment and one of
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the obvious signs is those three beers are later found on the counter inside of the apartment yeah
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seems like pretty solid evidence the tricky thing here though is when they find the three beers two are full and
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not open and one of them has been open and is almost uh G gone or it's half full M and
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so I don't know you can make what you want out of that but it appears to me like he cracked open a beer continued to
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sip on it and at some point was interrupted or left before we get into too much speculation let's get into
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Sunday May 11th the next day Keith's parents noticed the Ford Mustang that he had borrowed from work this is why we
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went into the detail of him parking on the street when he went to his family's house on that Thursday that's key to me
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because Keith's parents noticed the Ford Mustang that he borrowed from work in a church
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parking lot near their home this is near the 4,300 block of mcneel Avenue they noticed this vehicle
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there during the morning hours of May 11th remember he's last seen just before midnight on May 10th now I want to be
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clear here at this point when they see this vehicle there they're not fully aware that it's
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vehicle remember he can drive home a different vehicle each night right this church is located very close to their
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home and I don't have the exact distance from their home to this church parking lot where this vehicle was found but I
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know that it's close enough in distance that the family has said we could see that parking spot regardless of what car
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or vehicle was parked there we could see that parking spot from at least one window window in our home so rather
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close to their home and this is important because this was a parking spot that Keith used to use he used this
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parking spot when he was in high school he would use it when he would come from college and visit for the weekend or
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stay the night with his parents this is because his parking spot was close enough that he could park the car in
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that spot and walk to their home and leave the vehicle there now now weeks before remember he went and moved back
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in with Mom and Dad before moving into the apartment right and it sounds like he was using that same parking spot
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during that time period what happened was the church gets a new pastor and the pastor
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tells Keith's parents hey I don't want your son using our par our parking lot anymore and his parents attend church
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there so his dad of course is saying hey son the the new guy doesn't want you to
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park your car in their in their lot anymore don't park there and we know that that conversation took place based
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off of several factors but one piece of evidence of that is that he parked the truck on that Thursday in front of his
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parents house on the street so very weird that this mustang is found in this parking spot that he used to use a lot
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number one and number two it would be some time later that they would figure out that it was Keith's vehicle so what
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happens is we have the First on record publicly sighting of this Ford Mustang in that parking spot around 6:00 a.m.
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this is when Keith's father goes out to get the newspaper from their driveway later that day they went to church his
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dad and stepmom go to church well he's in that special and after the services this is around noon they noticed that
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that vehicle was still there well it kind of peaked their interest so they went over and looked at it and they
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could tell that it was a vehicle from Ron Roberts for dealership and also the parking spot that their son parks in
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right so it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to put two and two together here to equal four they figure all right well we
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told Keith not to use the spot anymore this is a Mustang a loner car from Ron Roberts Ford he must have parked it here
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yeah they're probably thinking that son of a never listens to me and we're going to get in trouble with the pastor
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now well this might have raised a red flag or two but it didn't really sound off any alarms for the parents again he
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had used this spot plenty of times in the past and they thought maybe he had just parked it there somebody picked him
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up that night and well they just saw him a couple days ago right and that he just
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left the vehicle there for whatever reason I'm sure they were probably going to give him the what for for parking
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there now what raises the red flag though is about an hour or so later when Keith's fiance Cary calls his parents
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this is roughly in the 1:00 hour 1 in the afternoon she calls and she says hey I've been at the apartment for a while
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Keith is not here remember she has her own key she's been moving things in periodically Keith is not here there's
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some beers on the counter which is weird he would have put them in the fridge there's some dirty clothes in the
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bathroom on the floor and when I arrived the door was locked his car there was no car here
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which you know she wouldn't she likely would not have known what vehicle he was driving either but maybe they had a
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designated parking spot and she said that his bed was still made it it looked like no one had slept in it by the time
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that she had arrived and she had been there for some time and she was starting to get worried so she called initially
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called his parents just to see if he was at their house well there's so many questions because you the first question
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is did somebody meet him at the apartment and they left in in that vehicle or did he meet somebody at that
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church yeah and so now the parents knowing that the last time they saw him was with the f
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at the graduation and the graduation dinner and finding the vehicle in the church parking lot nobody being able to
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get a hold of Keith mind you this is 97 Keith did not have a cell phone and no pager correct and so this is when we
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start having major red flags go up and it would be on Monday May 12th that Keith's parents would
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officially report him missing so the Sunday is pretty uneventful I mean they don't know where Keith is and his
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girlfriend's trying to move into their apartment and it's really hard to track him down because they actually don't
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know what vehicle he could be driving but they do see a vehicle from the car lot in a parking spot that he's known to
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park at so let's discuss that Monday yeah and keep in mind here what we got going on
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right for most of that Sunday once they realize that he's missing his parents for the most part just believe he
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probably went out partying with somebody stayed up way too late crashed on somebody's couch and he's just
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unaccounted for it's really not until that evening that Sunday evening or Sunday night that they start to become
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worried now Carrie has an uneasy feeling right away and part of that is why she called his parents and said hey just
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maybe he would be over there once she discovers that he's not there that uneasy feeling grows and now she's
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concerned that something terrible is happened to her fiance Keith so much so that she tells Keith's
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parents look I don't feel comfortable staying here her parents live in El Paso Texas so Sunday night when he doesn't
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return it's either stay at this apartment or drive all the way till El Paso however she contacts Keith's
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parents and says I don't feel safe staying at this apartment alone I don't know what happened to Keith or or why he
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is not here but it could be something terrible I could be in danger and not even know it so can I stay with you and
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so she stays at Keith's parents house that Sunday night in fact she would continue to stay there for several weeks
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she would go in and out of the apartment on occasion but never staying there overnight as she didn't feel safe there
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so we have Keith being officially reported missing on Monday the 12th and I keep saying the word official here
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Captain because because you like to repeat yourself like a parrot well we've been told that there was communication
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with the witcha Falls Police Department before an official report was filed I don't know if they told them they had to
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wait a certain amount of time or if they said hey give us a call in the morning and we'll come come by and take it a
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report in person but for the record the official report was made on Monday May 12th now to fill in the blanks a little
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more on the fiance you know she was going to move in and we also know that she was she
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already had a job lined up you know she had finished college she has the new apartment new fiance she had a job lined
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up and she was to start her job on Monday May 12th but we know that she only stays in witch
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all falls for a couple of weeks after Keith goes missing now on Monday morning this is when they confirmed his parents
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confirmed that Keith had in fact borrowed the red Mustang that they found in the parking lot they make a phone
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call and say hey we found this vehicle here it's been left here we know that it belongs to you guys so his parents go by
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and take a visual kind of inspection of the vehicle and just so everybody's clear there is no sign of a struggle
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there's no sign of a crime scene at his apartment correct but same goes with this mustang right there's nothing that
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suggests that there was some kind of struggle there's no signs of blood right so when the parents find the vehicle the
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doors to the Mustang are locked but the alarm system was never turned on for the vehicle so what they
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did is they called the dealership hoping that somebody could come out with the second pair of keys and open up the
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vehicle to see if maybe Keith left a note or something inside unfortunately the dealership did not have a second set
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of keys so they had to call someone to get the you know to a locksmith to get the car doors open and I guess they got
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the doors open rather quickly but the problem became getting the vehicle to start to turn on the engine to drive the
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vehicle was very difficult took several hours the basic description we get of the vehicle
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comes from his parents and what they say is it it looked like the interior had been cleaned that none of Keith's
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property was discovered inside the vehicle however there was an audio cassette that was found in the stereo I
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don't know if this has ever been confirmed or if anybody would be able to confirm if this audio cassette was
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Keith's or not it could have simply been left there by somebody else that borrowed the vehicle at the dealership
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or the previous owner whatever the cassette was it's my understanding that the parents had listened to it at some
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point and I believe that the cassette has been lost over the years again it may not be any really it may not hold
00:53:16
really any evidentiary value at all yeah the rumor was it was a weirdo Yankovich
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tape Another One Rides the Bus yeah but uh what they do is they eventually get the vehicle back to the dealership
00:53:30
question for you not to cut you off here but when you when you say the vehicle seemed to be cleaned well wouldn't the
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vehicle be cleaned before Keith takes it off the lot anyways correct I mean this
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car is a car that they are trying to sell at the dealership presious it right it would be silly for it not to be clean
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so it may just be as simple as he drove it home that night the dealership isn't terribly far from his apartment and
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whoever moved it whether it be Keith or somebody else that the car was just used
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very little between the time that it left the dealership and that it was placed in that lot meaning why you
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wouldn't expect to find many if any of his personal belongings in the car and you would expect the the car to be clean
00:54:16
right because it came from the lot now the weird thing here and this is something that I've not been able to
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really wrap my head around on on having an opinion on if this means anything at all but what we have Captain is Chris
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Keith's friend that worked at the dealership calls Keith's father and says hey by the way I just want to let you
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know that when we received the vehicle back here the driver side seat was pushed all the way back and Chris was
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taller than Keith and said that anytime he got into a vehicle after Keith did he
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always always had to push the seat back because Keith was only 5' 6 in tall right according to the story that we
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received from Keith's father is that it was Chris that made that phone call to alert them that hey this might be
00:55:08
something the car seat was pushed all the way back we do need to keep in mind though Chris is receiving this
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information secondhand himself by the act by another person that worked there that received the car that checked it in
00:55:24
what I could not find was a report or anyone with a statement of who was the person that returned the
00:55:31
vehicle to the dealership it may just be as simple as yeah was it Big John Stud that works in the back right the the car
00:55:38
seat could have been found in a different setting than once it received the dealership right sitting in that
00:55:44
parking lot old Andre the Giant had to return the car sitting in that parking lot it could have been in a setting for
00:55:52
a shorter individual and a caller person drove it back to the dealership and that
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would explain that or whoever placed the vehicle in the parking lot was taller than Keith man we were able to speak
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with Keith's parents Gregory man and Deborah man and get some further insights into Keith's still unsolved
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case here we asked them to explain to us the emotional toll that this is taken on
00:56:20
them and their family but yeah we we missed that on a lot and and also so I think it just the repercussions you know
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it caused a lot of things to be different um by us going through this all these years um it it really affected
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our daughters um they probably grew up differently than what they would have because one was like in sixth grade the
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other one was probably like in fourth so you know we got real protective of them
00:56:49
you know we didn't want them you know going anywhere without us or you know even playing out out front in front yard
00:56:57
you know we were scared we didn't know what this had to do with and we had a lot of people you know would go down our
00:57:04
street and kind of drive real slow and be looking at our house but we didn't know if you know that was just you know
00:57:10
onlookers or if that was somebody that was involved and so you know we were real kind of protective of them and um
00:57:17
they probably didn't do uh some of the stuff that they they would have if this hadn't happened and you know we really
00:57:24
didn't feel like going on family vacations or you know it was just we all turned depressed and we just kind of
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really didn't know how to deal with it because it at the time you know we couldn't say 100% oh it's a death so you
00:57:38
know we're mourning we're going through the you know the five stages of grief or
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you know whatever we couldn't really say that because we were hoping he's still alive and you know um it's taking all
00:57:49
these years now at going on the 25th anniversary was like well you you know it doesn't sound like he is still alive
00:57:57
that something had to have happened at the very beginning but because we didn't have any facts on it we couldn't we
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couldn't mourn properly or we couldn't deal with it and um like I said it really affected the whole our family
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