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talk some true crime today's date is July 14th 1999 Wednesday it's 1309 hours my name is detective Bud Samson we're in
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the Rena Police Department interview room along with me is detective William mucklo and detective John leech of the
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Alliance Police Department also in the room is Joseph Isaac murder inance me tell us
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your murder [Music] in thing and I didn't care about life no more and David knew about it and he took
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advantage of me and were you having some hard times that CU I lost my family I lost all my friends I lost my little
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brother and sister I lost everything I had nothing anymore April 1st 1999 Alliance Ohio
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Alliance is in the northeastern part of the great state of Ohio north of Canton and east of
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akan and back in 1999 there were about 23,000 people living in Alliance which is in Stark County one of those people
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was 26-year-old yavon Lane she was found murdered in her home now homicide is not a normal thing
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in Alliance back then we typically see about one homicide a year sometimes none yavon LAN was a mother she was not
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living alone she was found by her mother yvon's mother Tanya Lane went to the home of her daughter and found a
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shocking scene on that April 1st Tanya found yavon dead with her throat cut and she was lying in a pool of her own blood
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her five young children were in the house but were unharmed there was a lack of forensic
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evidence but there were two partial bloody footprints found at the scene David Thorne yvon's ex-boyfriend and the
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father of one of her children was instantly a suspect David was eventually tried
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convicted and sentenced to life without parole for the murder of yavon the police got their best lead
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when a woman named Rose Mah contacted them to say that she and her boyfriend Chris Campbell spoke with a young man
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named Joseph wils and Incredibly Joseph told them he was in town because he had been hired
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to kill a woman eventually Joseph wils admitted to having killed yavon and he claimed that
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David Thorne yvon's ex-boyfriend hired him to do so he also gave the cops a detailed
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account of how the pair had planned the murder this confession sent David Thorn to prison for the rest of his life
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Joseph wils is in prison as well he is serving 30 Years to Life David Thorne has continuously claimed he is innocent
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and he had a strong Alibi for the time of the murder his family and a number of organizations are currently conducting a
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campaign to have his conviction overturned because they believe the investigation may have been botched or
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even worse covered up those who believe in David Thorne's innocence suspect that
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the police botched the case but were determined to get a result so they concocted a murder For Hire plot and
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forced a confession this is true crime garage and this is the case of yavon [Music]
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Lane Mur tell us your murder in Alliance joining us in the garage today we have Maggie freeling some of you may know her
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from The Disappearance of Mara Murray documentary series that was on oxygen a couple years ago and I believe right now
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the people they want to watch it it is currently streaming on peacock Maggie is also the host of the unjust and unsolved
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podcast and she is conducting an depth investigation into the murder of 26-year-old yavon Lane a case that some
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say is unsolved because they have convicted the wrong man in this case hello Maggie before we get into the meat
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and potatoes of this case and your investigation all of these years later how are you doing and how did you find
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this case awesome it is so great to be back with you guys I'm doing all right recovering from Co actually so my voice
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is kind of gone you know I found this case very long time ago I guess at this point I'm working on it for a year maybe
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almost like two years ago I found this case I was in touch with David I don't remember exactly if I came to sue his
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wife or if she came to me but it was brought to my attention as you know this case 22 years this guy who a lot of
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people say has been wrongfully convicted for all that time and hasn't had anybody
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um when I first talked to David he told me his case was dead in the water and he
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was right it was he used up all of his appeals and it's an incredibly complicated case as we'll get into so it
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was really difficult to find people who were willing to take it on pro bono and so I decided to look at it I did an
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episode for unjust and unsolved and afterwards I was just like I couldn't stop thinking about it because there's
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so much here um it kind of drove me a little crazy and I just said you know what I I need to do an entire series on
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this David Thorne is one of the men that have been convicted in this case and he
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was an ex-boyfriend and the father father to one of yvon's children and he has been locked up for over 20 years in
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this case now this is an Ohio case Alliance Ohio and it was a case that actually received I was a little
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surprised it received more media attention than I had speculated on going into it but and there was a book written
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on the case as well I couldn't find the the title of the book do you recall it the author yeah so the book if we're
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thinking about the same one it wasn't on the case it was Brent Turvy he's a forensic expert he looked into the case
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and he actually has two books one is on what not to do with a crime scene where he features this case and another one
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very similar so they're actually in two forensic textbooks now if you could go ahead and tell us a little bit about our
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victim here yavon Lane she's a mother of five children is that correct five kids
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26 years old the oldest kid at the time was 10 she had her first kid when she was 16 she was a Jehovah's Witness from
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you know what family has said and and friends have said at the time she was trying to get back on track trying to
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become a devout Jehovah again but she also had five little kids and had to make ends meet and you know what we know
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she wasn't really working she was on welfare and she was kind of struggling to take care of all the kids one of the
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children's fathers there's different dads he his parents were taking care of one of the kids who was disabled the
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oldest kid lived with his grandparents so she was taking care of three of the kids on her own so three of the children
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living with her at the time of the murder yes and actually there was the fourth child with her at the time
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because she was trying to get custody back of him uh Vinnie the disabled boy who actually becomes kind of a big part
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of the story as he was there when the murder took place he was in the home as well Brandon Preston
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Vinnie and Trenton were all home and David Thorne one of the men that have been convicted in this case of her
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murder he knew her from high school and then they reconnected Years After High School is that correct yeah so they met
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at a vocational school she wanted to go to school for cosmetology and he was going for decal making David's really
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big into cars so they wanted to put the same vocational school either junior senior year of high
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school and saw each other in the hall they obviously didn't have classes together they were taking different
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classes but he saw her in the hall and was really struck by her everything we've heard is that she's absolutely
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stunning like this knockout babe I guess a couple years later he they were at a car parts shop she needed to fix her car
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and bumped into him and he was like oh I'll fix your car for you and that's kind of how it how it started and David
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is the father of Brandon so where does Brandon fall in the order of children and from my understanding
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he finds out about having a son with yavon after Brandon is already brought into this world yeah so it's really
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complicated as we get into later in the season the children and and her pregnancies um but Brandon is the second
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youngest her and David were together somewhere around about a year they broke up she because the father of a couple of
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the other kids none of them are confirmed the only confirmation we have is Brandon from a DNA test with David
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but so the alleged father of a couple of the other kids her and him were on and off for about 10 years so they had a
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very complicated and from what we understand actually abusive relationship so her and David broke up because of him
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you know he's the father of a bunch of the kids there was just he was always going to be in her life things were
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tumultuous and her and David kind of went separate ways she calls him you know a couple months later maybe you
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know N9 months later saying I had a baby I think it's yours that's kind of how that happened David was dating another
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girl at the time who was kind of like what the hell your ex-girlfriend's calling you and you now have a kid and
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things got pretty complicated for the two of them from what we know they were trying to maybe get back together David
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says that they were talking about that we have heard from other family members that you know there were talks of
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engagement rings so David and Ivonne were carrying on a behindth scenes relationship while they were both seeing
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other people after Brandon was born and they found out you know they had a kid together so
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it all gets really complicated well and I love the way that you describe it in your series murder and Alliance because
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I think it really sums it up very nicely in a nice and neat package where you say
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Eric the other guy who fathered multiple of the children as far as we know that's
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always been the the belief or understanding He's the bad guy he's he's somebody that she just can't seem to
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quit for whatever reason maybe it is because they've had such a long relationship or they had so many
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children together he's always going to be around and David and her just didn't work out mainly because of this other
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guy because of Eric always being there and you said that you know David seemed to be kind of the the more stable
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individual that she would kind of turn to when things weren't going right with Eric or when she had had enough of this
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Eric guy yeah I mean that's kind of what it seems like to me I mean her and Eric
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from what we know I mean they would beat the crap out out of each other like really physically abusive I talked to
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her son Preston in the interview Eric's allegedly in the podcast Eric is allegedly his father he thinks Eric's
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his father then he says yeah they were pretty pretty freaking violent to each other so you know and David every
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account we know was this kind man who would take her back he loved her and take care of her during those
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off times with Eric and you know we bring up the fact that we don't know who the Dad we don't you know for short know
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who the dads are of the other four children not in any way to you know shame her or anything but it does get
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complicated when you're talking about who could have done this there are many multiple men out there who could have
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fathered her children who you know we've heard rumor that she had been pregnant with their children so there was a lot
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of people that needed to be looked into not just David and Eric once David finds
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out that he is in fact the father what is his behavior like it it seems to me like he was willing to to step up to the
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plate and be as much of a father be involved in Brandon's life as much as possible from every account we have
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heard even at trial from the social worker who was dealing with the custody and child support payments they had an
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amicable relationship amicable there was no um fighting over Brandon there was no
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custody argument it was basically you know you're going to pay child support okay you got to go to court and figure
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out how much legally get into an agreement for that and what we've heard from all of those people is fine great
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David was happy to pay child support David wasn't trying to get custody of Brandon from what we know everything was
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fine and very sadly yavon only 26 years old she's killed inside her home at her residence sometime before April 1st
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1999 and so all these years later we're talking over 21 years later what is the relationship between David and Brandon
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today I mean this is a this kid very sadly his mother is killed when he's young I'm I'm uncertain of his age at
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the time of the murder but then to double down on that tragedy his father is put away for life in prison yeah
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Brandon was too at the time so he doesn't really remember much at all about the murder or his his mother but
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you know their relationship is it's strange you know Brandon visited David all the time when he was a kid you know
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people would bring him but as the years go on and he becomes a teenager I mean he lives his own life I mean they talk
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he believes in his dad's innocence he of course wants his dad out but other than
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that I mean he's just a 20s something kid living his life and he's you know that's kind of it it's it's definitely
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sad I mean prison these things really break up families investigators came up with a rough time frame of when they
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believe the murder went down and when it took place in yavon Lane's residence that night sometime on March 31st
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1999 and we have David Thorne who has been in prison All These Years yet he was Three Counties away with a solid
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Ironclad Alibi for his time that night take us through the timeline of the how we get from this guy not being able to
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be a suspect because he has an ironclad Alibi to now he's in prison yeah I mean in that's that's it's complicated I mean
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we've put together a timeline but we're still you know it's it's confusing so the time of death for yavon
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is sometime this is the coroner's report sometime after 7 p.m. March 31st so there is an actual 14-hour window that
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she could have died her body was discovered around 12 1230 April Fool's Day she died sometime around 700 p.m.
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the night before they couldn't really say other than that so you know from there David was looked at right away he
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is the father of one of the kids they're recently in court for custody and he's smart his grandfather's smart and
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instantly got him a lawyer the lawyer came and that was that was it David never talked to the police again so the
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police were always very suspicious because David got a lawyer and didn't want to talk to the police which you
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know if you listen to my podcast or any of the cases that you guys have covered about potential wrongful convictions I
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mean that's a pretty smart thing to do to get a lawyer and not talk to the police because who knows what'll happen
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so they took that as he's guilty he won't cooperate with us so they were always on him since then trying to
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figure out you know how he did this there were a couple friends in their friend group that the police had brought
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in you know asking them if if they they were always on to this kind of murder For Hire because David had an alibi
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that's very certain so they thought okay well he obviously wanted to get rid of her so he must have paid somebody to do
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it instead of you know looking at the severely abusive partner who yes was in prison at the time however was
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incredibly abusive and if was going to hire somebody he could have too there's other you know baby daddies and stuff so
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for whatever reason they're hellbent on David and sometime around in July they hear the name Joe wils and
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they kind of hone in on Joe as being the person that David hired to Ivon and they bring in Joe who is a
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really sad character and he confesses and said yes David paid me to do this so it was about three months later that
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they actually found the alleged accomplice he immediately confesses and David is
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arrested that day July 14th or 15th but it's a little more complicated than that
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because oh yeah for for for law enforcement to get to David's motive there's some twists and turns that have
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to happen which are you talking about well just the idea that law enforcement's motive is this is about
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money and so he doesn't want to pay child support and he's this broke guy and he's so broke that he would rather
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hire somebody to get rid of her and then he will never have to pay child support
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but then at that point he would be Soul custy which would cost a lot of money and then the fact and the fact that we
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now know that he had money David had money yeah and I've seen the account the statements from the account David had
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$130,000 in an investment account he was working uh he was going to swap meat so
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on top of that that was money that he just got when his father died his dad was a a veteran died by Suicide so David
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got a lot of money from his life insurance you know military life insurance so he had all that and he
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didn't need to touch it because he was working and making money working and he was doing really well he had cars he was
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going to swap meets selling parts for $300 a pop I mean child support was only $350 a month which I guess in 1999 was a
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lot more than now but he could make that money selling a car part it's definitely
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an interesting motive that they came up with especially when nobody said there was any issue with the payments or
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custody or anything like that yeah and if I'm law enforcement I'm coming up with the motive of well we've been
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together on and off again and she's always on on again off again with Eric to me that makes makes more sense of a
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motive that well I want to get rid of her because you know she keeps leaving me for this this scumbag and I'm the the
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good guy that's always trying to help her out and she just can't see that that that makes more sense to me of a motive
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I mean there is definitely as we get you know further in there's many more motives and you realize that almost
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everyone around her had a motive to kill her pretty much except for David because
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again what we know is that he loved her they were trying to get back together and he was planning on buying her a ring
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so it's definitely interesting I think too you know if I were someone sitting on the jury or looking at this case
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even all these years later I look at the as the the child support as kind of a a
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blanketed statement that encompasses a lot of different possible motives for David Thorne where it could be not only
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does he not want to pay the child support but if he is going to be paying for uh his son Brandon he would prefer
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to have cust KN have custody of his son he may also blame look Brandon was not being raised in the most wonderful of of
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Worlds and he may have blamed her for some of that and I mean there there's a lot of stuff going on here as well and
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there seems to be some some back and forth between David's current girlfriend and when he had to see yavon because of
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Brandon um if there there's really just a lot that could have been bubbling up to the surface at the time that that
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could fall under that sort of Child Support blanket of of motive here but as you pointed out there are other people
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that would have motives of their own and in fact we see that there are a lot of other people now before we get into them
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we should say that during the course of the arrest and then the conviction first
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police are led to this Joe wils by individual that contacts the police Police Department saying that she
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spoke with Mr wils on the night of the murder so exactly so so the timeline the night of the murder
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allegedly has according to Joe's confession is he was at the Carnation Mall which is about four miles from
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ivonne's house down State Street um if you're familiar with Alliance and it's just a straight shot down this main main
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road not really a highway but you know three lanes each side big Road he is at the mall around closing time
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and he bumps into these two people Rose Moore and Chris Campbell and he sees them then he leaves
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walks to her house and kills her according to them he tells them that he flashes a knife and tells them I'm here
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to do a job and according to Rose that job is to kill a girl some guy hired him to kill her and according to Chris some
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guy's girlfriend hired me to kill her you know their stories are so interesting because in their original
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statements to the police Rose specifically says the knife was not a pocket knife he flashed me you know an 8
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inch knife in a sheath by trial it is now a pocket knife the exact weapon she said that it was not but this is how
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Joe's name comes up 3 months later a woman calls the police saying a woman in the building's daughter knows something
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about this and that's kind of how it all started spiraling at the beginning of July so they get in contact with Joe
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wils and as we know it's a it's a pretty quick it seems pretty quick from the time they pick up Joe wils to getting
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the confession we're not talking about days later or weeks later that they get the confession it's relatively pretty
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quick once he becomes on their Radar Now who is Joe wils what is his tie into our
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victim what is his his tie into our other suspect so Joe wils said at the time he was a teenager he was 18 I
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believe he was 18 or 19 Joe was a Drifter he was kind of known around town as this kid that you know would just
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sleep on people's couches he had a really really sad traumatic life growing up he was abused by his parents him and
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his siblings got put in a foster home where he was also abused we're talking mental physical sexual abuse so he had a
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really tough life growing up he is actually a pretty smart kid he does not have low IQ but he definitely you know
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had so much trauma that learning was not easy for him he grew up with a shake like a paly so when people talk to him
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they always think he's nervous but it's just this physical disability that he has from all the abuse so you know
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people like David were just really nice to him I mean he looked up to David David was much older than him again Joe
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was around 18 David was 26 at the time of the arrest so there was an age Gap David kind of saw this kid and you know
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if he saw him walking on the street he'd give him a ride home or you know he helped him buy his first car and a lot
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of the the friend group that I've talked to they all say that about Joe yeah he was a really sweet kid he was just kind
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of always around and he didn't have a home he was homeless so people like David took care of him he was you know
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at the time of the murder he was staying at a girl girlfriend's house or at the time of the arrest at the time of the
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murder he was also staying at a girlfriend's house so that's kind of who Joe wils is he he was a scared kid he
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was an emotionally disturbed kid and you put him in a interrogation room with three detectives who knows what could
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well and he's it's a very emotional confession from what we hear anyway because you play some of the
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confession tape on your show murder and Alliance and I've got to tell you Maggie
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it's it sounds awfully convincing to me uh when we hear that confession from Joe
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wils yeah well you know it's it's one of those things where um 1999 they were not
00:32:27
required to videotape the whole thing so we don't have that so we just have what
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what is on tape and these are short tapes I mean this is a half hour each of them there's two tapes they talk to him
00:32:40
the first day half hour they go back the next day and pick up saying hey there's
00:32:45
some things we we left out and they talk to him again for a half hour I mean the
00:32:48
entire taped confession is an hour long and if you've ever seen an interrogation
00:32:55
or you know anything like that it's it's pretty common knowledge that the when the tape turned on is not when they
00:33:01
first started talking so the question has always been what happened before the tape was turned on well yeah and law
00:33:06
enforcement calls it a tape confession but it seems like Joe has a different story about that he he says it's not
00:33:15
even questioning from the beginning it's it's simply uh an interrogation yeah and he he he made
00:33:23
some other claims as well yeah Joe says that you know they had him handcuff to a
00:33:27
wall and they spit on him and and they were being aggressive to him and you know that is Joe's word um but you know
00:33:35
in in one of the episodes I go into all these officers backgrounds and um if that did happen it would not surprise me
00:33:41
I have come across you know some false confessions coerced by them I mean their their personnel files one of the lead
00:33:49
detectives Samson his Personnel files pretty pretty damning with um he's hit with lying forging documents so you know
00:34:00
he was one of the officers who who took Joe's quote confession you know something we we always forget and I even
00:34:05
forget is that they went to him according to Joe saying um David is in the next room and he's he's you know
00:34:16
putting this on you if you tell us what happened you will get a deal so they did dangle a deal in front
00:34:23
of him and as We Know Joe got 30 to life for taking the deal and saying you know
00:34:30
quote allegedly what happened and as we know David was not in the Next Room David never talked to police David had
00:34:36
not talked to the police since that one time he went in with them with a lawyer and said I am not talking to you and
00:34:41
that was it so they did lie to him saying David's in the Next Room giving you up that's something to keep in mind
00:34:47
you know that's part of the what happened before the tape was turned on that's really interesting to me too
00:34:52
because you have a scenario where according to our Witnesses Chris Campbell and forgive me I more I can't
00:35:00
think of her Rose Moore according to the two witnesses that lead detectives to Joe
00:35:08
wils he he's saying a some guy hired me to kill a woman he doesn't say that David Thorne hired me to kill his
00:35:19
ex-girlfriend some guy hired me to kill a woman so that leads them to Joe wils but it doesn't necessarily lead them to
00:35:26
D David Thor yet they're very quick to be saying David Thorne's sitting in the next room and he's turning on you kid
00:35:34
and it's going to be your ass that we put in the electric chair and Fry exactly and it could have been it could
00:35:41
have been this Eric guy it could have been several other individuals that would have hired someone like a Joe wils
00:35:47
to commit this murder now the general statements inside of that taped portion of the confession or interview or
00:35:56
interrogation or however we want to label it is basically that Joe wils is saying I'm I'm remorseful for what I did
00:36:05
I kind of knew the victim I had met her on several occasions I think that it's general knowledge that he had even been
00:36:13
to her residence at least one time before the murder and he he says you know I was
00:36:20
remorseful for this the night that I did it and and you can hear I mean he's he's
00:36:26
sobbing throughout a lot of the the confession and he basically says look I know this
00:36:33
guy I've been friends with David Thorne for for years and he's complained about yavon and he's complained about you know
00:36:41
not wanting to pay child support that he wanted custody of his son and I had nothing to lose I had hit rock bottom I
00:36:49
had no friends I had lost all my family you know the only friend I had was David
00:36:53
Thorne and I had no money no prospects um he Joe wils his life his childhood is incredibly tragic
00:37:05
and sad it just I mean it's heartbreaking to hear what he says took place during the course of his childhood
00:37:11
but then even after he gets away from that it seems to me like his life is always this roller coaster ride of he
00:37:19
needs help he gets some help and whether he follows through or not is is up for the debate but in this case he says I
00:37:28
had lost pretty much everything I had hit rock bottom my friend who I thought was my friend David Thorne took
00:37:34
advantage of that took advantage of me and he offered to pay me and help me out and he convinced me to go and kill this
00:37:43
woman and not only kill her but kill her at a time when he when David Thorne could it couldn't lead back to him it
00:37:51
would be impossible because he would have that Ironclad Alibi and let's go through the the timeline of events as it
00:38:00
as it were according to Joe and his confession and let's let's keep in mind as we go through this everybody out
00:38:08
there in listener land that we're talking about a confession that was it's also it's it's a confession from Joe
00:38:15
wils but it's also a story that is backed by by the state or at least by the prosecution in this case and you
00:38:26
have to wonder a lot of things fit nice neat and perfectly I gotta say that right up front here Maggie there there's
00:38:33
there are a lot of things like when we go into these cases and you're talking about an unsolved murder and you're
00:38:39
looking at different suspects we're always looking for a Smoking Gun right here it's kind of the reverse of that
00:38:45
when you're looking at a possible wrongful conviction you're looking for The Smoking Gun of why this guy is
00:38:51
innocent and it's really tough to find that here because you have a very unique situation where Joe wils could be guilty
00:39:00
of this murder and David Thor had nothing to do with it now on the flip side of that
00:39:05
coin is that if Joe wils did not kill yavon Lane then David Thorne didn't have anything to do with it I mean it just it
00:39:13
wouldn't work out that way so the timeline as it were according to Joe wils and the prosecution is what when
00:39:23
when does this because we start seeing things actions being made according to Joe the
00:39:30
day of the murder that he says involved David Thorne so the day before so we're talking the 31st which is the day of the
00:39:37
murder yes he they allegedly go to the mall in the after in the afternoon rent the room and they get I forget if it's
00:39:46
the glove I think it's the gloves they get the gloves that afternoon and then David brings Joe back to the Enochs
00:39:54
where he was staying he was staying with a friend and then David Goes about his day he
00:39:59
goes to his his martial arts class he brings his lion cub you know that's how they knew for sure he was there that
00:40:06
night he had a lion cub with him which isn't unusual for David I mean he had lion cubs and he brought them around
00:40:13
with him um so the police you know did try to say he made this obvious Alibi blah blah blah I mean I I don't know
00:40:20
that's up for debate I guess but so that was The Alibi Joe allegedly gets a ride
00:40:25
to the mall that evening Brent Enoch the father of of Joe's friend said yes I brought him to the mall he wanted to
00:40:33
stay there he said he was staying there and then they say that Joe walked to her
00:40:38
house sometime after 7 we know he was seen at the mall allegedly by Rose and Chris around 8 so he wouldn't have
00:40:45
gotten to ivonne's house until at least 9 9:30 and then you know she's found at 12:30 the next day that that's really
00:40:54
what we know Joe says the next morning David picks him up this is where things get a little dicey he says David picks
00:41:00
him up the next morning sometime around 8:30 9 looks like he made a phone call from a pay phone to David and I'll get
00:41:08
to the phone calls in a minute around 8:30 David was at work and he had to take a lunch break and he according to
00:41:19
David went to McDonald's came back within the half hour it was only a half hour break well his boss
00:41:26
spoke to police and said no it was like an hour an hour and a half um actually which would give David time to go to the
00:41:33
mall pick up Joe drop off Joe and get back to work so that's you know the story from the prosecution is that David
00:41:40
dropped they got the room the night before the day before David picked him up in the morning got back to work no no
00:41:46
questions asked it was a normal day everyone seemed normal so that's that I mean I could get into the phone calls
00:41:53
and stuff how do you want to go from there just to kind of back up some some of that statement as far as the
00:41:58
prosecution's concerned first we have David Thorne leaving work on the day of the murder on the
00:42:05
31st what about 12 12:30 that day and then we have Joe wils checking into this hotel that's attached to or near the
00:42:15
mall and he's checking in at like 147 I think 148 that day so that I mean that kind of lines up with what Joe's
00:42:27
statement is that David picked me up and we kind of talked about how this was going to go down he gave me some money
00:42:33
for gave me a $100 bill to check into the hotel room because that's the other thing you have to lay out for the the
00:42:39
court proceedings is how did this broke guy get money to stay in a hotel and buy
00:42:45
some items to commit the crime and so he says David gave me the money to check into this hotel room that kind of fits
00:42:53
the timeline is working in the favor of Joe and against David here where it's lining up that David could have possibly
00:43:00
have left work that day picked up Joe wils taken him to the hotel they get the gloves takes them back to the the Enochs
00:43:08
is that their last name the the family that he was staying with a f a friend apparently he he needed to go back for a
00:43:15
couple of reasons it sounded like he had scheduled something with Brent enox that
00:43:21
for that afternoon or evening and then Brent is the one that takes him back to the hotel now he can't if if somehow he
00:43:30
does murder this woman and the trail leads back to Joe wils David Thorne if and Joe wils can't
00:43:37
have that happen right we can't have a night where all of a sudden this kid staying in a hotel room and the trail
00:43:44
leads back to him no so he tells Brent that I'm going to I'm just dropped me off at the mall because David Thorne's
00:43:51
going to pick me up there and we're going to go back to his place I'm actually going to be staying at his
00:43:57
place that night and then the troubling thing as you said we we have according to Joe wils he goes and walks to the
00:44:05
victim's home she knows him so she lets him in they have a very brief conversation and then he says he takes
00:44:12
the knife that he purchased that night and he uses it to slash her throat and this was I mean this is just horrific
00:44:20
the the wound itself I think you described it as what8 Ines four it's eight inches deep and 4 in wide I mean
00:44:27
she was decapitated there was the smallest bit holding her head on and according to the medical expert that
00:44:34
they present at court that yavon would have been alive and able to react for a very brief period of time we're talking
00:44:44
seconds probably before she would have collapsed according to Joe's confession that does take place that she
00:44:52
jumps up off of the couch goes toward the sliding glass door I believe it's a sliding glass door says something ask
00:45:00
him like why you know why did you do this to me he says that he told her that David Thorne asked him to or paid him to
00:45:08
do that he trips over something and he according to Joe he left there very quickly this is one of those things
00:45:16
where I could go on either side of the fence very easily you could sway me either way the difficult thing here is
00:45:23
one would expect there to be a lot of blood on the suspect on the murderer and there was a lot of blood at the crime
00:45:30
scene itself we do have the prosecution and they're what they're saying is that that he managed to not get hardly any
00:45:38
blood on him at all because the difficult thing now for our murderer if it was Joe wils he has to walk what
00:45:44
about four miles back to where he came from and not have anybody which no one did see him yeah there's no you don't
00:45:53
it's not every day that you're driving and you see a a blood covered man on the side of the road walking uh in the
00:45:59
opposite direction One a couple things in the favor of that story is we're now talking it's
00:46:06
probably 10 o'clock at night at this point if we are yeah if we are to believe his story it's definitely dark
00:46:13
by this time so it doesn't line up completely with that 7 o'l uh time of death which that's probably more of a
00:46:21
window rather than they gave a window they they the window was up until she was found I mean they really had no idea
00:46:27
like a 12h hour window yeah they had no idea but also Joe is a a very tall individual right he's like 6'4 I mean so
00:46:38
you're going to notice him if he's walking on the side of the road that doesn't mean he's not going behind
00:46:43
houses going behind buildings to get wherever that's the thing we've mapped it out you can't really go behind houses
00:46:49
and buildings so you know yes you're right it could it's a it could be a ghost town and I wasn't there in 99 but
00:46:55
Sue was Sue Thorne is now David's wife but has been his Advocate since the beginning um and she did this with her
00:47:03
son same time of night back then I think she did it in like' 05 or something she
00:47:08
put her son in what Joe was allegedly wearing and had him walk down the street um and it's you know this is a street
00:47:15
that is strip malls I mean like I said it's a very busy highway um there's lights everywhere so he he definitely
00:47:24
would have been seen um there's no you know straight shot behind houses he would have to be
00:47:30
zigzagging and that would take three hours as opposed to the hour and a half so if he did it he probably walked on
00:47:36
the street and again that you know I find it really incredible to believe he wouldn't
00:47:43
have blood on him um you know the clothes that were found did not have any evidence on them so it's it is
00:47:52
interesting I mean he could have walked without blood on him the clothes don't have blood on them but like if you see
00:47:58
the crime scene that makes no sense to me but job LED them to a knife and bloody
00:48:05
jeans a allegedly um Joe so so I guess a big part that we're missing here is Joe
00:48:11
recanted almost immediately after at trial in his testimony he says the police told me what to say so pretty
00:48:19
much immediately after he recants and said you know the police forced me to say this and they told me where they
00:48:24
were going to find this knife that's not my knife I didn't have that knife they told me we're going to find your knife
00:48:31
here and then dig out this knife from a storm drain so that's been Joe's new story Joe's changed the story a few
00:48:40
times over the years from my understanding well he has indeed the the thing is ever since he recanted the
00:48:48
story has changed but the fundamentals of it really haven't that David had nothing to do with this he has stuck to
00:48:55
that for 22 years that David had nothing to do with it you know one story he went
00:49:00
over there killed her one story he went over there she was already dead you know
00:49:06
I think there's another one floating around but they all do put Joe there he has not said otherwise but he says he
00:49:13
didn't do this you know he went and saw her already dead which is really interesting because nobody else puts Joe
00:49:20
right there right in fact we have talked to people who put Joe the mall and say no he was doing X Y and Z at the mall he
00:49:30
wasn't he wasn't killing somebody at that time but we always talk about this in here in the garage when you have
00:49:36
someone confess especially when you need to find something you know Murder weapon
00:49:41
murder victim or anything else that was involved in the commission of the crime you as an investigator you're looking to
00:49:49
have that individual lead you to that item and you do that so that when they do we can't that you can say well tough
00:49:58
cookies you obviously L us to the murder victim or the murder weapon or something
00:50:04
that was used in the commission of the crime it's kind of hard to deny now and say that you weren't there when when you
00:50:11
gave us this item now here in this case he leads him to some pants that he threw
00:50:18
behind a friend's home in like the woods or or Tall Grass area and one that's just Bizarro to me like if if you didn't
00:50:28
commit this crime who's just throwing pants Into the Woods at you know at somebody's house whether they knew them
00:50:35
or not now I understand there's no it doesn't sound like anything of evidentiary value were found on these
00:50:41
pants they were found months after as you said July and she was killed March 31st maybe April 1st at the latest but
00:50:52
they're found months later and they have nothing of evidentiary value on them again what are those pants even doing
00:50:58
there and why does he know that they're there is is bizar if he didn't commit this crime yet whether or not the police
00:51:06
told him where they were going to find this murder weapon or the folding knife is let's set that aside because what we
00:51:14
are being told per the case File is that they actually located two different knives is
00:51:21
that correct so yes there was actually at at least four knives found oh now we're at the four yeah so so that's like
00:51:30
a complicated part but when they went into the storm drain there were two other knives in there with the alleged
00:51:37
murder weapon and they actually found the day that they were searching the murder not three months later um about a
00:51:45
block away they found a knife matching the knives in her kitchen set on the street so to me that seems like a more
00:51:53
likely murder weapon this knife that was from her home that actually looks very similar to a blood stain on the couch
00:52:02
where the killer seems to have wiped off the blade it is almost an exact fitting
00:52:07
for this kitchen knife yeah so yeah there was many knives found there's also the incident at the
00:52:14
mall where um this witness says oh I saw Joe buying actually a pocket knife but that was a month later in May and I have
00:52:24
the receipt from when was there so this witness actually presented a receipt saying this is the day I was at the mall
00:52:31
and actually saw Joe there buying a pocket knife so if Joe did buy a knife allegedly it wasn't even until a month
00:52:38
after the murder and correct me if I'm wrong here Maggie there's a lot of moving parts and pieces I'm trying my
00:52:43
best to to follow along here but if we are to believe Joe's story he's telling us that he purchased a pocket knife or
00:52:51
folding knife and the blade was what three and A2 in 3.1 yeah 3.1 in on that blade and you said again that the the
00:53:01
the throat the wound was how many inches deep four it's four okay so we're awfully close there seems maybe possible
00:53:11
but then think about the all right without getting too descriptive well there's no way of getting around it if
00:53:18
you're eating lunch stop turn it off uh if if someone because according to Joe wilk's statement as far as I understand
00:53:27
it it sounds to me like this wound was a oneand done right he's not there's not M
00:53:34
he's not cutting multiple times well that you you're hitting it exactly so that's every expert who's looked at this
00:53:41
case since then has pretty much said if not have said that that pocket knife would not have made this cut and for
00:53:48
let's get incredibly gross here and say if he or anybody were able to successfully make that that cut using
00:53:56
that weapon as it's been described by all parties involved we all agree on the dimensions and what type of weapon it is
00:54:04
that's not in dispute here but if he were to do that then the hilt or the part that the knife folds into would
00:54:12
have to be forgive me for saying so buried in the neck of our victim yeah and how I get that you didn't find it
00:54:20
four months later but how do you not find blood on that weapon I don't care who wiped it
00:54:28
clean yeah really difficult there and then this Bizarro thing of these all these
00:54:35
knives being found around the neighborhood who who lives in this neighborhood is it's like Dwight shuit
00:54:41
that's concealing weapons all over the place I mean it's it would be weird to find John Rambo yeah I I mean it's it's
00:54:49
just difficult now the next morning though what gets difficult for David as far as Joe Wilk statement go goes we do
00:54:56
have phone records that say that a pay phone is calling David Thorne that morning and we
00:55:02
have the boss his boss saying David Thorne left and we have Joe wils saying David Thorne picked me up so the um a
00:55:12
lot of interesting things happened at trial so the the trial was was uh in terms of the defense horrible and or
00:55:21
non-existent um you know David's lawyer died of alcohol poisoning very shortly after he froze to death outside of his
00:55:29
home um because he was so intoxicated and he passed out in the winter so he was drunk the whole trial so you know
00:55:36
the the prosecution brings you know this expert who testifies about the knife and
00:55:40
says she could still you know live for a few seconds to ask why after he cut her
00:55:45
neck and David didn't have any rebuttal any rebuttal witnesses there was three Witnesses called two of them were
00:55:53
character Witnesses and one was this guy who said no I saw him by the knife in May so David's team was never called an
00:56:02
expert to say know a knife wouldn't do this or never called an expert to wonder to say you know why the hell is there no
00:56:08
evidence on this never called an expert or somebody to um talk about the phone records
00:56:15
fortunately the phone person was not lying on the stand and actually said during the prosecution's
00:56:22
cross these calls don't seem to have been answered actually yes he's calling him but it's they were likely not
00:56:29
answered um so sure Joe called David but it would appear that he never answered the calls um which is really interesting
00:56:38
and then of course the other thing that happened at trial was the prosecution called the social worker for the child
00:56:44
support and the social worker actually recalled herself for the defense because she didn't like the way the prosecution
00:56:51
portrayed her testimony she was like I want to be recalled and came on and said actually they had a really good
00:56:57
relationship I don't want to be you know have the prosecution twist my words on record um so you know those were two
00:57:04
things at trial that that were good despite the horrible defense well also didn't prosecution keep some evidence
00:57:13
out of the trial yeah do you want to go there please yeah so we had a incredible
00:57:19
amount of Brady violations one of which is a witness there was two witnesses but
00:57:26
one of them is really key a witness who says he saw a man leaving the home around 10:30 in the morning of April 1st
00:57:36
yvon was likely dead around 10:30 in the morning um considering she was found at
00:57:40
12:30 and the time frame of death was sometime after 700 p.m. the night before so this witness tells police that
00:57:47
morning at the scene oh my God I was walking by here a few hours ago and actually saw a guy you know leaving this
00:57:54
house and he gives the description of this man and they bring him in to do a lineup he doesn't pick anybody out they
00:58:02
have him for bring him back for another lineup he doesn't pick anybody out David
00:58:06
we know was in one of these lineups he doesn't pick David out you know why would he again David had an alibi it
00:58:12
would likely not be David seen leaving the house or anything like that according to him this man's name is
00:58:17
George hail he's been interviewed many many many times according to him um he did pick somebody out in the lineup and
00:58:25
this is really interesting because this lineup one of the many Brady violations it should have been
00:58:32
given as Discovery and it never was this lineup is gone so we have no way of telling if George hail is telling the
00:58:39
truth but he says he pointed to a man and said that's the man that looks like the man I saw leaving the house this man
00:58:47
that he picked out he says they told him no that can't be the guy that's a cop they put like a cop's picture in as part
00:58:54
of of the lineup just as like a blank photo um but he says he picked out a guy who was one of the lead cops in the case
00:59:02
as the guy who was leaving the house so you know they kept George hail from the defense this witness that could have
00:59:10
been key saying look I saw somebody leaving the house it was not Joe or David um and actually pointed to a
00:59:15
completely different person who whole other can of worms we have found out that yvon was
00:59:24
having relationships with people in the police department so the fact that George didn't know this and picked out a
00:59:32
photo of an officer allegedly is very interesting now I want to stay on this here for a minute because I don't I
00:59:40
don't want anybody to get confused and go oh he picked out a guy that happens to be a cop oh that must be the guy that
00:59:48
that murdered right and his words were it looked like the guy I saw so you know whatever that means he didn't say this
00:59:57
is the guy and sometimes when you know it you can't just give a photo lineup of five
01:00:04
different pictures of the guy that you think did it right you have to throw several pictures of people you know that
01:00:09
did not do it in there and so often they will use a photo of an officer as a kind
01:00:16
of standin for someone one thing that I would be Cur there's there's a lot of things here that I think need sorted out
01:00:23
with this portion of of the case File and one I would want to know is because immediately what the police say is well
01:00:31
this witness is unreliable you know because he picked out the wrong guy one I want to know was there a picture of
01:00:38
Joe wils in this lineup because we know that David according to the prosecution's case and according to uh
01:00:46
everybody agrees David was not there so even to have his photo in the lineup seems bizar to me but then take it a
01:00:53
step further do they know for a fact that this guy is an unreliable witness because the officer that that's picture
01:01:00
was present was somebody that just like David could not have been there that night we don't know we don't have an
01:01:08
answer and that's the frustrating part is you know all of this was disappeared you know I have two depositions from two
01:01:16
of the main detectives mllo and Samson and the attorney who's deposing them says what happened to this lineup where
01:01:24
should it have been and they admit yeah it should have been in Discovery and I don't know I don't know why it's gone I
01:01:30
mean there's so many highly suspicious things like that in this case where it's like why are you not doing things by the
01:01:38
book why are lineups disappearing why are witnesses being suppressed you know there's just so much that that muddies
01:01:47
it and if they did get it right if they did get it right and Joe and David did this the way they said it I I mean they
01:01:54
got really lucky because there's a lot of errors and there's a reason why people don't trust these convictions
01:02:03
yvon Lane she's found around 12 12:30 April 1st she's her dead body is found by her mother Tanya who is there to pick
01:02:14
up one of the children I believe to take them to school or take them somewhere for the day and that was pretty a pretty
01:02:20
routine thing it sounds like let's go back to the murder scene because we have four children as you say that were
01:02:30
there no matter how you shake this thing they were there during the murder before
01:02:36
during and after the murder what is the and you can ballark the ages for me if if you need to but what is the oldest
01:02:44
child's age and what is the youngest child's age yep so the kids that were there the youngest was Trenton he was
01:02:50
just born he was a baby I mean I don't think he was even a year yet so Trenton was in the crib the way to understand
01:02:56
this house it's you know I didn't really understand it until I saw it but there's
01:03:00
to three floors and you kind of enter in what looks like the basement floor because the rest of the house you go
01:03:07
upstairs and that's where the kitchen is and the dining room in the living room and where she was murdered and then one
01:03:13
more floor up is her bedroom so the baby was sleeping in the bedroom up on the third floor and then there was Brandon
01:03:20
and Preston Preston was six Brandon was two they were locked in their bedroom there
01:03:26
was a lock on the outside they were locked in their bedroom and then there was Vinnie Vinnie is four and he's the
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disabled child he has fragile ex it's like a form of kind of severe um um gosh I don't even know how to explain
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it kind kind of like down syndrome a little bit um you know kind of on that Spectrum um so
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he the oldest no he was four so he's so Preston's six Brandon's two yeah Trenton's the baby and Vinnie is four
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and he was in his crib on the first floor the basement room that you walk into so he was actually not locked in a
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room or a baby that couldn't move so he was actually free to roam the house and when he was found the next day he
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allegedly said that he saw Jimmy Jeremy Jimmy or Jeremy push mommy down so the thinking has always been that Vinnie saw
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this person he saw what happened the way that this breaks down is other than the
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statement from from that child it doesn't sound like any of the other kids heard or saw anything that
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was of use to the investigation no I mean depending on what time she was killed we know that April 1st is
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supposed to be a normal day they're going to go about the normal routine of their day so much so that yvon's Mom is
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coming to pick up one of the children and it's not till noon 12:30 that her lifeless body's discovered and again we
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none of the kids saw anything during the fact during the course of the murder or even after
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afterwards as far as we know as far as we know and that's that's what makes it even more sad is that you know it's very
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likely Vinnie saw this and it's also really sad because Vinnie can't communicate we don't know what Vinnie
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saw he can't communicate it and in any interview he has done since which was really back then only with police and I
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think you know like a child psychiatrist there it's nothing nothing of value has come from it um and you
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know he's not really able to be interviewed you know by me or anybody he you know I asked his brother Preston the
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six-year-old he was six at the time I spoke to Preston he's in the podcast and and you know he says there's no there's
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no point in asking Vinnie because he doesn't his brain doesn't really function like that he's not he's not
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able to communicate um so that's the tragedy too is that not only did this child probably see his mother murdered
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but the one child who did can't communicate what he saw murder can you tell us your
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