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true crime on Thanksgiving Day November 24th 2016 Keith Pini says he got up early
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that day and at 4:30 a.m. his cell phone rang now this call comes in and he says
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it's a number he did not recognize so he didn't answer his phone it's an unknown
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caller yeah then the home phone is ringing to which he does answer the home phone and he told 2020 that it was his
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wife screaming in the background yelling his name and a police officer to which he could hear the officer telling the
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wife that she needed to be calm she needed to calm down mhm 22 days after she vanished Sher Pini turned up 150 mil
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away from her home she was found in Yolo County around 400 a.m. on the side of an
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entrance ramp to the Northbound I5 Highway this is near County Road 17 a female motorist Allison Sutton
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called police upon seeing a frantic woman roadside waving what she believed to be a shirt now Allison says she
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didn't stop because she wasn't certain that this whole situation was safe for her to stop right she thought it was
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just maybe a crazy person on the side of the road a second driver this was a truck driver he he did stop and he
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called police now Sher Pini was found she was clothed in light gray sweatpants and a dark gray sweatshirt I point out
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what she was found in because this is not what she was wearing when when she went missing there was also a chain
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wrapped around her waist and her left wrist was Tethered to the chain with a zip tie according to the local papers
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specifically the Sacramento B and the reading record search light Sherry also had hose clamps around her ankles to
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which sergeant Brian Jackson said quote appear to have acted as pain compliance restraints it's very important to
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understand that nearly everything we know about sher's ordeal and her release we know from her husband Keith Sherry
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has never made a public statement she has never well she's not even appeared in public at all about this and the
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Sheriff's Office the Chasta County Sheriff's Office they've only really addressed any
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of these circumstances regarding sher's ordeal possibly because they feel that they've
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been forced to because of Keith's public statements we'll present what he says what Keith says and then we'll address
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what if anything we actually know to be true so I'm going to paraphrase some of this stuff uh that follows but this is
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what Keith told 2020 about Sherry's release he says that she was bound that she had a chain around her waist
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she had a bag over her head he says he can't remember if it was her right or her left arm that was chained to the
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chain but one of her arms was chained to the chain and then the other hand was chained to something inside the vehicle
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and to be clear the interviewer wants to clarify and says this is to make sure that she didn't
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jump out of the vehicle to which he says yes now he says at at some point they cut something to free her
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restraint that was holding her to the vehicle then they pushed her out and they drove away Sher had one hand free
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and took the bag off of her head and at this point she has no idea where she is she runs to a house to which she doesn't
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say she says to him that it didn't look to be like a good idea MH so she then ran to another building but couldn't get
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inside the building and that's when she chose to run to the freeway and how far away she found from her actual home 150
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miles so quite a distance yeah and he goes on to tell 2020 that she's you know she's screaming She's
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coughing um he says that she's coughing up blood and screaming trying to get people to
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stop you know get a vehicle to stop so they can help her mhm but she tells him that she thinks
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that because of the chains the chain wrapped around her that maybe people thought she escaped from a prison or or
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escaped from somewhere that you know that she was a bad person and maybe that's why they wouldn't stop so she
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purposely tried to hide the chain to try to get somebody to stop and eventually we know that somebody did stop why and I
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guess she was severely beaten as well I mean she had a broken nose and she had bumps that seemed like all over her face
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so that this could be an you know I I don't know if there was any dried blood or what the bruising situation would be
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but that that could startle somebody the 2020 broadcast they played a radio transmission that that summoned the
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ambulance to the scene where Sher was found you can hear like radio chatter but what what I heard in there says
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attention Station 8 unknown medical problem it's going to be North on I5 female needs medical attention she is
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heavily battered it's going to be some sort of an assault Now Keith after the phone call he rushes to the Woodland
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Memorial Hospital this to see his wife Sherry he says when he got to Sherry's room he was horrified he told Good
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Morning America quote nothing could have prepared me for what I was about to see
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upon my arrival at the hospital nor the details of the true hell I was about to hear my first sight of my wife in a
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hospital bed her face covered in bruises ranging from yellow to Black because of
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repeated beatings the bridge of her nose broken her now emaciated body of 87 PBS
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was covered in multicolored bruises severe burns red rashes and chain markings her signature long blonde hair
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had been chopped off she had been branded and I could feel the rise of her scabs under my fingers end
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quote the Shasta County Sheriff's Office well their information has been much less detailed than that of her husband
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and authorities actually expressed frustration that Keith revealed so much information to the media right because
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this is on go on Investigation so he says that her injuries the way he describes it this is pretty severe stuff
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right yeah the the thing that would kind of go against that is disregarding the severity of her
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injuries Sher Pini was released from the hospital and went to a hotel with her husband that same day right and this
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according to the sheriff she was treated for her injury and released just as someone would be if they had sprained an
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ankle that's what the sheriff said yeah but the sheriff did say that they were were ecstatic to report that Sher did
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that she was located and had been reunited with her family right but to be on the side uh of Keith and his wife
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look at some of these brutal UFC fights people go five rounds 25 minutes of punching each other in the face and
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kicking each other in The Shins and these guys barely can walk out of the Octagon their faces look deformed they
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look awful during the press conferences they go get checked out by the doctor and then they're they're sent away the
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investigators from the major crimes unit did speak with Sherry this was briefly in the hospital and then they did
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question her at length 5 days later after she recovered from these injuries now according to Sheriff baso Sherry was
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quote cooperative and courageous in the intense and traumatic interviews with investigators he said Sherry reported
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the following she said she was abducted by two Hispanic women in a dark colored SUV with large rear windows she had no
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other description of the vehicle and she could not identify it on any video surveillance footage taken in the area
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around the time of her abduction note that the Sheriff's Office never came out and said that Sherry was definitely
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abducted while on her run we know that to be believed to be the case by her family beforehand all right so what else
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have we learned Sherry only gives the officers a let's say vague description of her
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abductors right and she went on to tell police that she avoided looking at them so they would not beat her
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and that her head was covered for some of the time that she was held captive and we don't know how dark it was in
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this place or anything yeah yeah the there again we have vague descriptions of everything because we're hearing this
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this is what Sherry tells the police and this is what they have chose to release
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to the public she says that one of the women note she says that she was abducted by two women mhm one of the
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women had a long curly hair thin eyebrows and pierced ears she had a thick accent and she appeared to be
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between 20 and 30 years old about 5 foot 5 in tall suspect number two according to Sherry was older maybe 40 to 50 years
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of age about 5' 7 and had straight black hair with some gray she had thick eyebrows and pierced ears
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both were armed with handguns she said that the kidnappers drove for about 2 and 1/2 hours non-stop
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on the first day the kidnappers spoke Spanish most of the time the female captors were the only two people with
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whom Sherry had contact with for the duration of her captivity basenko confirmed that she was bound with the
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restraints when she was found and Jackson the other officer said that Sher had been branded on her right shoulder
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after and appeared battered and bruised now they they actually think this branding was something like it actually
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said something yeah the description I read was that the brand appeared to be a message rather than a symbol but
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whatever it is it's unclear what it what it's intended to be well I think they know what it is or at least the the the
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rumors that I heard is they know what the message is they're just not releasing that to the public okay I I
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had saw that it was illegible that they they couldn't make anything out of it but I don't know that to be true so I
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don't want to I don't want to steer anybody the wrong way either way I mean that's pretty creepy that somebody would
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brand you and not just brand you with some symbol but some type of message Sherry told investigators that she was
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not sexually assaulted uh we do have investigators that that did confirm that sher's hair
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was shoulder length when she was found now I do want to point out that a lot of people suspect that Sherry's exceedingly
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long hair was actually extensions that were may have just been removed mhm the the thing here to give the best
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description to those out there listening is that when she was found her hair was
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not what I would call short it was just shorter it was it was shoulder length at
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the time now Sherry told detectives that just before she was released she could hear her captors having an argument
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followed by a gunshot she said the younger of her abductors then took her from the room where she was being held
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captive drove her down a Winding Road and dropped her off near Interstate 5 a be on the lookout immediately went out
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for a dark colored SUV with two latino women but everyone acknowledged that in California that description well it
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didn't go very far mhm on the day after Sherry was found her sister held a press
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conference and she was reading a statement that was prepared by Sherry and Keith the gist of it really is just
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giving thanks to all the people that helped search for her and just being thankful that she was returned and
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allowed to go home in time for Thanksgiving now following this statement Sheila agreed to answer some
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questions but where this whole thing gets tricky again Sheila seems to have very little information she didn't know
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whether Sher had seen her kids yet this is the day after she was found she didn't know whether a ransom was paid
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she didn't seem to have any interest in discussing who might have done this to her sister she didn't even have an
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answer to a reporter's question as to whether Sherry was employed or not at the time of the
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abduction really she just kept repeating that the two had a joyous reunion it it for anybody that saw this
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well for me anyway Captain it was just kind of a strange press conference and it
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probably to keep things cleaner it might have been a whole lot better if if she would have just not opened it up to
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questions at all right gave the statement and and walked away right because uh her not having having the
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answers to some very simple questions it really didn't help the public opinion now keep in mind at this
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time even when she was missing there were people out there that were suspicious of this quote unquote
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abduction that was it a voluntary situation right was this a a a cry for help was this seeking attention yeah and
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then when she's found and claims to have been released mhm those people that were suspicious
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before they're even more suspicious now baloney right yeah because of very sparse details provided the tide of
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public opinion began to shift Sheriff basenko said his Department continued to follow investigative leads and warned
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people that quote until we identify the suspect the public should remain cautious end quote but contradictorily
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also said that quote details of this investigation point to this being an isolated incident end
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quot yeah that's that's a weird statement yeah he said that police still did not know the motive for the
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abduction or whether Sherry was a specific Target or this was a random abduction he also said that because the
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case was still active some sensitive details were being withheld and he expressed concern concern that some of
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the information provided by Keith could affect the Integrity of the investigation
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mhm I really want to know those sensitive those sensitive details yeah so what I'm getting at though is it
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can't be it can't be both right if you're saying that this is an isolated incident but the public should remain
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cautious it's see just it's very confusing these statements coming out from the sheriff's department now you
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don't know when you when you review this you look at at it and you wonder okay is
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this Sheriff's Department just really in need of a PR person or or are they confused themselves about the whole
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investigation about about what could have took place well it kind of stinks Tom B
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stinco well the the sheriff said despite over 600 tips quote none of the received
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tips have been able to generate a viable lead or information as to who is responsible for
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Sherry's abduction sure enough due to lack of information rumors and gossip really took over in this case people
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began to theorize that perhaps there was more to the story the theory that that Sherry and perhaps Keith together
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fabricated the whole thing this really started to gain some traction and an article ran in the
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Huffington Post on December 2nd 2016 they reported the following that that the huff post had spoke to a
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Communications officer or asked to speak with the communications officer at the sheriff's office they were connected to
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a woman named Kelly to which no last name was given the huff post asked Kelly if Authority suspected some kind of hoax
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in this case Kelly stated I don't know if the words ruled out can be used then on December 6 George
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Stephanopoulos asked Sheriff basenko whether he had any reason to doubt Sherry's story yeah basenko responded
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absolutely none so far we are still investigating this as a kidnapping abduction and everything that she has
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provided us thus far is indicating that basenko backtracked a bit in an interview with people using a double
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negative saying authorities have no reason not to believe Sherry but he also said abductions are rare in themselves
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especially adult abductions on top of this being to women who Sherry described as her captors is even more unique so
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he I never left and again another happy birthday to the colel so some people are
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calling this whole abduction a hoax right Captain yeah so I thought let's take some time here and sort through
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some of the things that people point to some of the theories uh if you will okay
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for one thing and this stems from a 2003 blog post that turned up on a defunct website called skin heads that's uh with
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a z this was essentially a well a racist block right yeah hence the name right yeah uh and sounds racist
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right in 2003 yeah it's not about haircuts it's it's about uh being a racist right so the 2003 post was
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written by Sherry graph and I think I have that right actually I think I have that wrong it's but I'm going to spell
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it for you Sherry g r a e FF from Shasta Lake right that's Sherry's uh maiden name correct and I believe believe
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that's her hometown mhm the post rallied against Latinos who the author said hated her because she was quote
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drug-free white and proud of her blood inheritage the blog post recounted a story of a violent altercation with a
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Latino girl now sher's ex husband who we referenced earlier says that Sherry did
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not write this post and he says that Sher wasn't racist when he knew her right Sheriff basenko said quote we are
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familiar with that blog we do not know if it has any relevance to this case or not end quote Sherry and Keith of course
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made no direct comment on the blog post although Keith seemed to touch on it in his Good Morning America interview
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saying quote I understand people want proof that this was not some sort of hoax or plan to gain money or some
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fabricated race War I do not see a purpose in addressing each Preposterous lie end quote Sherry also maintained a
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public Pinterest account that contained a section marked cultural differences featuring memes expressing concerns
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about illegal immigrants and Muslims this section has since been taken down there is plenty to point to that's
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strange yeah there is plenty to point to that Sherry did write the blog post as you pointed out it's her made name it's
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her hometown I guess there was also a rumor that uh that somebody thought maybe um
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one of her friends wrote it to basically smear her um I did you hear that anywhere well
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I I heard that plus other reasons why people suspect that it was not her or the theories on who could have posted
00:29:06
that pretending to be her and it appears to me what information that would indicate that it was her that wrote it
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is all the information that anybody that knew her could have known they would have known all that stuff you know
00:29:20
people people point to a point in the post where where it references her family's pizza which her family I guess
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her parents do own or did own a pizza restaurant at one point well but look whether it was her
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whether it was fake whatever the fact of the matter is there's evidence that it was there and so if that would have
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ticked off a a gang or ticked off anybody and they said we want to go after this individual they would be
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going after her they they wouldn't have any knowledge that she didn't write it well right and I don't know I think
00:30:05
it's it's all weird that that we have that post and then later she's saying she was abducted by two Hispanic women
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Or Hispanic looking women and but but the other thing too that that I find odd is we're talking about
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it's what like 13 years apart yeah yeah 15 yeah 12 13 years later that seems yeah
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would see seems strange that somebody would find a post from 13 years ago and then track the person down and then
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kidnap them so digging into Sherry's past revealed something else in a 2003 Shasta County Sheriff's Office
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incident report which is only two sentences long it stated that Sherry's mother Loretta
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called the Sheriff's Office to ask for help with her daughter Sherry who had been harming herself and blaming her
00:31:06
injuries on her mother this call by Loretta to the Sheriff's Office about Sherry was one of several made by
00:31:13
Sherry's family about her this is during the years between 2000 and 2003 in 2000
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her Father Richard alleged his daughter burglarized his residence 3 years later he alleged she made unauthorized
00:31:29
withdrawals from his checking account and in 2000 Sherry's sister Sheila alleged her back door had been kicked in
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and she believed Sherry did it the reports provide no details about an arrest and it is unknown whether Sher
00:31:45
was ever charged with a crime any type of crime resulting from these these reports like you said it was
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several years before again yes we're talking 133 to 16 years beforehand yeah and everybody goes through phases right
00:32:04
I mean I mean look I'm laughing but I'm only laughing because I'm V I'm visualizing somebody kicking in their
00:32:11
sister's door um yeah we we go through phases but I don't hey [ __ ] your couch yeah I don't know that I've ever I've
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never kicked in anybody's door um now I bet you I bet you have you bet you bet that I have huh I bet you've tried I'm
00:32:29
not saying that you succeeded well listen to this this this I think is is more interesting the the Sheriff's
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Office this is in response to a Foya request made by the Sacramento B the newspaper this provided expense reports
00:32:44
for outof State travel in related to this case based on these receipts two detectives traveled cross country to
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Detroit Michigan and its suburbs of New Hudson Northville Plymouth and Canton between
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November 9th and November 11th 2016 the same year that she was abducted yeah this is this is actually while she's
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still missing so Sheriff basenko declined to spec to specify why the detectives went to Michigan or what they
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found if anything there right but about a year after Sherry was returned the sheriff's office confirmed in an
00:33:24
official press release that Sherry and a male acquaintance from Michigan that's what they were calling him were involved
00:33:32
in an online texting relationship now Sergeant Jackson would not specify whether the relationship was
00:33:40
a romantic one but he did confirm that the text me messages went back several months he also stated that the male
00:33:48
acquaintance visited California in the days before Sherry went missing a press release later clarified quote days prior
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to Sherry's disappearance Sherry and the male acquaintance text each other in attempt to meet while he was in
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California this is according to Sergeant Jackson right according to him that is why they went to Michigan and he said
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ruled out went went back to Michigan and ruled out right that the acquaintance was involved well I I think this just
00:34:20
shows you that um you know the the the thought process of their marriage being so great and so
00:34:29
romantic and and so P picture perfect that it just was not true yeah and it seems it seems like
00:34:39
most people believe that Keith knew nothing about this relationship regardless of what kind of relationship
00:34:46
it it was well isn't the thought process that um she was texting this guy and the
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one of the reasons why I don't think Keith knew about it was that the guy's name was saved as a female's
00:34:59
name yeah and I saw some I mean that's shady well I saw some information out there too that would suggest
00:35:08
that you Shady girl this man being saved under a fake woman's name in her contacts may not have been a one-time
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situation that this might have happened before right where where other men were saved under female
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names how about this Theory the theory that the well remember the GoFundMe campaign M the the purpose of the
00:35:34
GoFundMe Campaign which was started by Keith's sister Suzanne on his behalf was to raise money to quote bring Sherry
00:35:42
home safe well for like private investigators and stuff like that too all funds were to go directly to the
00:35:49
family the GoFundMe raised $49,000 their goal was $50 ,000 and it raised this amount of money
00:36:00
fairly quickly no one seems to be certain what the funds were actually used for Sherry
00:36:08
and all of her family members including the ones who were in the public faces of
00:36:14
her search have completely withdrawn from the public regarding this and the money has not been returned we know Sher
00:36:22
came home but we don't know where that money went yeah and Keith has never made a statement on where the money went the
00:36:29
other thing that's weird about it too is that you're using this resource and you're you're updating people to get
00:36:36
money then you get a bunch of money and then when she's found you don't even update these people and these some of
00:36:43
these people because they saw your story in People magazine or on the Today Show
00:36:47
or however they saw your story there's people from all over the country um that were were donating money
00:36:55
to to help find your wife wife and and you didn't even put an update on the page right now almost a year after
00:37:05
Sherry vanished the Sheriff's Office issued a very interesting press release a document entitled kidnapping
00:37:13
investigation update stated that Sherry had both male and female DNA on her when
00:37:20
she was found the samples were uploaded into codus DNA database on well it looks
00:37:27
like April or May of 2017 but so far there's never been any matches to any known offenders the DNA
00:37:36
from sher's husband Keith was not among the two profiles they tested it against Keith the male DNA was compiled from the
00:37:46
clothing Sherry was found uh was wearing when she was found look she alleged that
00:37:52
that she had two female abductors she alleged that they gave her the clothing to wear so it is
00:38:00
possible this doesn't have to mean that a male was involved in her abduction or in whatever's going on here it is
00:38:07
possible that that DNA was already on the clothing when it was given to her to wear right but they released more
00:38:14
information right yeah the the Sheriff's Office revealed that Sherry told investigators that during her abduction
00:38:20
she got into an altercation with the younger abductor and this took place in a bathroom when
00:38:28
so Sherry according to the story she's allowed to take a shower and at some point they get into this altercation
00:38:35
Sherry says that she slammed the captor head into the toilet in the bathroom before she was
00:38:42
subdued and then returned to her room where she was being held she reported that she cut the side of her foot during
00:38:51
this confrontation people have pointed out that there were folks photos of Sherry and that they they were being
00:39:01
reviewed by the police department by the Sheriff's Office and there doesn't seem
00:39:07
to be any evidence in those photos that they can see that there were cuts on her
00:39:13
foot or either foot to back up this this whole story right but you you it makes you question when did this uh this
00:39:23
happen during her captive time 22 days did it happen at the beginning uh was it not that bad was she just
00:39:32
mistaken was she drugged at any point uh during during this capture who knows well what we do know is that they're
00:39:42
saying that she is providing very little details because she can't recall them right that she's just not able to
00:39:50
provide complete information to the Sheriff's Office and we'll get back to this October 2017 press release in in
00:40:00
just a minute uh I do want to point this point out this while we're going through
00:40:05
these suspicions and different theories right so we talked about the neighbors well there's more information there too
00:40:13
so the neighbors who lived near the penis said that Sherry wasn't a runner according to their knowledge right now
00:40:22
neighbor Joyce Allison said quote I've been here 12 years and I've never seen her jogging Betty vaugh whose home
00:40:30
overlooked the spot where sher's phone was located said quote I've never seen her jogging never seen her coming to the
00:40:39
mailboxes of course a couple of neighbors told police that they thought they saw Sherry on the day she
00:40:44
disappeared one at 9 one around 11: although it's not clear if she was actually running according to those
00:40:52
eyewitness reports yeah look these neighbors could just be strange individuals yeah so for those that we
00:41:01
keep referencing these mailboxes I think we probably should have done a better job of describing that speak for
00:41:08
yourself well yeah since it's a such a royal area they actually have a unit of like a bank of mailboxes all everybody
00:41:17
that lives in that Community they they have a bank of mailboxes so the mail carrier just pulls up there like you
00:41:22
would see at a condo or a apartment complex and this is what about a mile from their
00:41:29
house yeah that's where Keith goes looking for Sherry uh when he's tracking the phone again I don't put a ton of
00:41:36
weight into people saying hey I never saw her run because she wasn't a runner she was newly or what Keith says is
00:41:45
she's getting back into running and when he says she's getting back into running
00:41:51
it could have been something she did 15 years ago right so so she was getting back into running to run with her family
00:42:00
um she did live there for quite some time though again though like it could have been something that
00:42:07
she did in high school or or no no no I I get what you're saying I just want to be clear and point out that these the
00:42:13
neighbors who regarding their statements they were neighbors of hers for years it
00:42:19
wasn't like right which I understand that but I'm also stating that there's a bunch of people in her family not saying
00:42:25
that she's was an avid Runner saying this is a this is a new thing you you know what I mean like she was training
00:42:32
for this this one event with her family MH yeah I'm I'm not suspicious of the running itself I'm suspicious of the
00:42:41
wording that keeps circling around that so the normal thing Sergeant Brian Jackson said to People magazine in
00:42:49
October 2017 quote what was the purpose he's talking about the abduction why was
00:42:56
she released it is hard to keep somebody in captivity for 22 days why would somebody go to that length those are all
00:43:04
types of questions we still have yeah the the other thing too is a lot of people say that this is real because of
00:43:14
something as simple as the broken nose MH and my argument would be if you're a whackadoo enough to plan out um going
00:43:25
missing that you're also wacka do enough to break your own nose that that would be my argument to
00:43:33
those people the other thing too is people I've been hearing a lot of people say
00:43:39
well if if this was for attention that she hasn't really shared the spotlight she hasn't really received
00:43:48
any attention because she's been in hiding pretty much right she's basically should say hiding but
00:43:53
she's she's basically become a reclus they moved uh they don't live in that town anymore so they move away and and
00:44:01
neighbors are like yeah we never see her MH we don't see her at all and so so that doesn't make a lot of sense the
00:44:08
attention part but then when people say money they go oh well uh she did this for money or or it couldn't be a fake
00:44:17
because she didn't get money well we know that we have about $50,000 which isn't a ton of money but it's money
00:44:25
that's not accounted for and and so but then people go well but that's just a little bit of money think about how much
00:44:33
money she could make if she wrote a book and my argument about any of this stuff
00:44:40
is maybe all this stuff is coming maybe a book is coming maybe a movie is coming
00:44:47
so you can't roll that that out as a possibility that money's uh wasn't a motivation to fake this
00:44:56
well here okay we we'll get into this now because look you look as far as the money goes let's keep in mind
00:45:08
$50,000 according to what I could find was was equal to or very close to being equal to their yearly household
00:45:20
income yeah that that $50,000 sounds a lot bigger when you describe it that way right it takes somebody a whole year the
00:45:28
the whole family together the whole household income is equal to this for the entirety of a year so that seems
00:45:36
like quite a bit more money when you describe it that way and and if somebody recently just lost their part-time
00:45:43
position and now as a stay-at-home mom maybe you need that money well and then people that point out hey this is real
00:45:50
because she had a broken nose right I I hate to answer answer you know answer a question with a question
00:46:00
but who's saying that she has a broken nose or that she had a broken nose right Keith so if Keith is in on it or let's
00:46:10
say he's not let's say something went down and he doesn't know what's going on but she has convinced him that something
00:46:17
went down he's either standing up for her or could be covering for her mhm so that's where I I think you're going to
00:46:26
get these arguments back and forth I do want to get into something you know I said would get back to that press
00:46:32
release well one more thing I also want to say that you know during the pr press
00:46:38
release or the cops have said multiple times you're held in captive for 22 days what was the motivation for them to
00:46:46
release her and like you stated before there was multiple statements saying that we'd
00:46:53
give you this money if they were released and then it became the day before she was released there was
00:47:01
another statement issue there's a threat right there to the captors not a not just a threat but it's like again maybe
00:47:08
there was some contact and maybe that's the reason why we don't know where this GoFundMe money went because it actually
00:47:15
went to paying these people off to get her out could be could be but but the threat that was going out there the day
00:47:24
before she was released was not that this money is going to be given to you to to pay a ransom for her safe return
00:47:32
we're going to use this money to find you right but I'm just saying that all that could have changed if the people
00:47:38
actually try to make contact and say hey yeah we got her and we want the money so
00:47:43
in October of 2017 this is when the authorities finally released two sketches of the women described by
00:47:51
Sherry the release noted that the sketches were being released 10 months after after Sherry's disappearance
00:47:57
because of sher's difficulty in recalling what her abductors look like now this part Captain I believe is is
00:48:05
quite important as well the FBI poster States quote the Federal Bureau of Investigation in cooperation with the
00:48:13
Shasta County Sheriff's Office is asking for the Public's assistance regarding The Disappearance of Sherry Pini end
00:48:21
quote this poster was released well after Sherry was returned turned alive I question why the poster would use the
00:48:30
word why they wouldn't use the word abduction instead of the word disappearance right also the poster says
00:48:38
FBI is seeking information about the two quote individuals depicted in the sketches they may have information the
00:48:47
poster does not call the women suspects or perpetrators or even Persons of Interest and according to Sherry she is
00:48:55
told law enforcement these are the people that abducted me at gunpoint yeah strange also about a year later
00:49:03
authorities released surveillance footage from a church in Woodland California this is near where Sherry
00:49:09
turned up this appears to show a distorted image of a figure running through a parking lot in the dark and
00:49:17
then running back law enforcement confirmed that the footage timestamped 4:15 a.m. shows a newly released Sherry
00:49:25
Pino seemingly darting around looking for help just before running onto the highway Entrance Ramp many people
00:49:33
believe that police released this video as well as much of the other official information meaning the male DNA found
00:49:41
on Sherry the Michigan Man story The stated inconsistencies about the cut on her foot to make Sherry feel pressure
00:49:50
and that maybe she would crack and and if if there was a different story if there was was a different truth to what
00:49:57
went down that she would come forward and give them that information yeah I wonder if it's the idea that law
00:50:04
enforcement is saying not only do we have this footage but we have even more footage that we're we're not even going
00:50:10
to show the public and we're going to let you know that we have it cuz maybe they maybe there's some footage of her
00:50:19
earlier than that who knows and I do want to make sure that we go through some more detailed theories here about
00:50:26
what could have happened I'm I am going to skip ahead a bit uh one of the theories was that this is a sex
00:50:32
trafficking case I do want to if anybody wants to explore that angle you can but
00:50:39
I I will just kind of sum that up with saying that the police say that they have ruled out sex trafficking as a
00:50:46
motive for Sherry's abduction well based off what Keith says there was no sexual
00:50:50
assault yeah and the thing here is I think that there are some more plausible some more likely theories in this
00:50:57
situation if in fact it was a hoax if this is not truly an abduction one of those theories is a
00:51:05
liaison gone very wrong this Theory probably stems from the Revelation that Sherry was in contact with the Michigan
00:51:14
man some people believe that police revealed this information to show that Sherry was conducting an affair or maybe
00:51:22
affairs with men outside of her marriage the theory goes like this that she texted Keith to find out whether he'd be
00:51:30
coming home for lunch this to ensure that he was busy the kids are gone all day and she
00:51:37
was meeting up with a lover or meeting up with an intended love lover and either
00:51:44
one of two things happened one it went wrong and the guy turned out to be violent and dangerous and she escaped
00:51:54
this man 20 22 days later but was too embarrassed to tell the truth right the other angle of this is that she bailed
00:52:02
on her husband and kids to run off with a guy or this guy and then fake the whole abduction thing so that she could
00:52:10
return but return to her family blame free people who buy into this Theory well they they basically claim captain
00:52:19
that the Sheriff's Office knows they know that sherry made the whole thing up they just can't prove it
00:52:26
right now I do want to be clear here we do not have any Insider information but from what I can see the
00:52:35
general rumor of people in that area it seems like they believe that the sheriff's office is pretty much split as
00:52:45
to whether this is a hoax or if this was an actual abduction and the rumors that
00:52:51
I have seen from that area point to that the two lead investigators well I I should be clear about
00:52:59
this because it sounds like the first lead investigator on this believes that it's a hoax but we know that we
00:53:08
have we have the head sheriff in charge and we also have Sergeant Jackson who have very publicly stated that they
00:53:15
believe this is a real Abduction the rumors I've seen is that those are the only two that believe within the
00:53:23
sheriff's office that this abduction was real yeah so you can see why it's easy to really question this and really be
00:53:32
suspicious of the whole thing um one other theory that I saw Captain is that this could be a drug situation now I
00:53:41
chose to leave this in because I find it much more likely than some of the other
00:53:47
theories that are out there but I want to be clear this should be taken with a grain of salt okay
00:53:55
because this was this was pulled off of Reddit it does come from someone who's been granted verified Insider status as
00:54:03
somebody being an Insider on this case the post states that Sherry had a serious addiction to benzo
00:54:12
daene and that Keith was using some other type of drugs and she was using other types of drugs as well this
00:54:22
Insider using air quotes there says that Sherry relapsed a few times and had resorted to buying pills on the street
00:54:32
now this Insider theorizes that Sherry had gone on a bender or someone she owed drug money to had abducted
00:54:40
her again this would point to a similar Theory to that of the hoax to gain the GoFundMe money the GoFundMe
00:54:51
funds while I think that this is is more likely than some of the other other theories that are out there I want I
00:54:57
want to be clear I think it's one of the least likely theories that we've discussed
00:55:02
here today I've purposely left out theories that seem just totally off-the-wall totally unlikely at all Bigfoot yeah
00:55:12
yeah SAS Squatch so the thing here Captain we have we've talked about revenge we've talked about an affair
00:55:21
we've talked about drugs um all kinds of different reasons different theories as
00:55:27
to why this would be a faked abduction uh you've pointed out some reasons why it would be a real abduction
00:55:37
M we we would be remiss if we didn't bring up uh a story from 2015 this was the kidnapping of Denise
00:55:45
huskins in Vallejo California Denise and her boyfriend Aaron were asleep one night when a man broke into their home
00:55:54
and and made her tie up Aaron and kidnapped Denise he raped and assaulted her but eventually released her dropping
00:56:03
her off from his car on the side of the road detectives at the time assumed the couple's brutal abduction story was a
00:56:11
complete hoax but eventually the perpetrator a Harvard trained attorney named Matthew Moher was caught after
00:56:19
committing another crime a similar crime right the the Vallejo police Department
00:56:25
settled with Denise huskins for $2.5 million so this is just another situation of where they come out and
00:56:38
this situation they were very public about it being a hoax they didn't believe the story where we see the
00:56:44
Shasta County Sheriff's Office they seem to be confused or or not quite clear on
00:56:51
what their actual stance is right yeah yeah but that's because there was a rape involved
00:56:58
and and I mean let's just be honest as far as uh sexual assaults in this country it's maybe the only crime that I
00:57:07
can think of that law enforcement after you um after you make your statement and
00:57:15
after you claim that there was a crime that they go are you telling the truth I mean it's like the only crime that that
00:57:22
happens for I mean you don't go hey my bike was stolen from my garage and have police come out and go you know within
00:57:30
the first couple minutes ask if you're lying about it so that that I think that just happens far too often with that
00:57:40
type of well it appears it appears that that's happening with abduction stories as well right because that's what we're
00:57:46
reporting on today and it makes it a lot easier to know that the police were just
00:57:52
straight up wrong in the Denise huskin case because they do apprehend the perpetrator you know where you have
00:58:01
questions about Sher story and about her abduction but if tomorrow they arrested
00:58:07
two Hispanic looking women that they could prove abducted her I mean that wipes everything completely away all
00:58:15
right yeah um it's it really is a a difficult thing it doesn't seem to be that there's any clear answer I don't
00:58:25
know if you have an opinion on what you think may have happened here Captain uh I mean I don't want to I
00:58:32
don't want to ramble too long but all I could come up with conclusion wise because we normally go what do you
00:58:39
think is the word that comes to mind is sad is if this is real and oh it's a horrible situation if
00:58:49
this is real can you imagine then it's horrible it's 22 days of torture you got a branding on your body
00:58:56
possibly forever you know cutting your hair breaking your nose you know it's just that's
00:59:04
awful if it's a hoax and she was going to go hang out with some guy and that went wrong or went well or whatever it
00:59:13
was that's sad too the fact that she was talking to multiple men behind her husband that's sad you know if it was a
00:59:21
drug thing that's sad that she would go missing from her kids for 22 days because of drugs that's sad the fact
00:59:32
that she is now a recluse at least we have some proof of that or at least that's what some neighbor Neighbors
00:59:38
claim and that's what her husband claims that's sad um it's almost like any theory that
00:59:45
you come up with that you think happened it's sad if it if it was just for seeking attention that is sad that is
00:59:54
somebody that has serious mental issues um that needs help and it's probably not
01:00:03
getting it uh because of this whole ordeal and now being um a recluse um but my gut doesn't tell me either way
01:00:14
because like you said the most difficult thing about this whole case is where the
01:00:19
information is coming from I don't know what this this branding is I don't know if there's some message
01:00:28
involved I there's there's different things that point me to believe one thing over another thing but again it's
01:00:37
where the information is coming from and I don't believe the sources yeah I I tell you what I'm going to give Sherry
01:00:45
the benefit of the doubt here and say that I believe her story I believe that she was abducted and I hope they
01:00:54
continue I hope police continue to search for her abductors and whoever whoever you know carried out these
01:01:05
terrible crimes right the only reason why I lean that way I am suspicious of some things but but here here's the
01:01:14
problem I'm not suspicious of a lot of the things that I see people being suspicious of online and then the the
01:01:21
fact that she was released that seemed to even bolster people's suspicions like oh she she turned up nobody ever lets
01:01:29
people go all right that doesn't happen a lot we do know that but we do we already pointed to at least one other
01:01:36
case where that did in fact take place the captor release them anytime somebody is missing if they were abducted that is
01:01:44
what we hope and pray for each and every minute of every hour of every day that they are gone that whoever has them will
01:01:52
grow a heart and release them mhm and if in fact that happened in this situation
01:01:58
whether it be that the abductors got scared felt threatened got tired of holding her whatever happened that
01:02:04
caused them to release her I'm thankful that they did so I kind of lean toward this story being being truthful Sherry's
01:02:14
story being truthful and what I want to point out is the the radio call that went out to the ambulance that states
01:02:22
that there was assault that she was badly beaten MH that to me is the one that's the only other part where I can
01:02:32
see somebody other than her husband stating that these injuries actually took place or that she appeared to have
01:02:40
been injured now if if in fact this was a hoax if if she wasn't really abducted if this was carried
01:02:50
out we know that somebody else had to be involved because she was missing for 22
01:02:56
days she disappeared for 22 days somebody had to help her with that if there was anybody involved in a
01:03:06
hoax I I have no reason to believe I actually believe that Keith does not know right what really
01:03:15
happened I I don't I don't see I understand these theories and I understand the speculation but I don't
01:03:22
see anything that points to me that that he was involved in helping carry out this whole ordeal in November of
01:03:31
2018 Sergeant Jackson told the local ABC 10 TV station that he did not consider Sherry's case cold and that there's
01:03:41
still several Avenues we are looking at but now nearly 3 years after Sher pini's
01:03:48
perplexing disappearance and reappearance and what has been described as quote one of the largest man hunts in
01:03:55
California history we still have no answers we've never heard from Sherry her family has gone silent secret
01:04:06
witness of California is still offering $10,000 for information regarding the Abduction of Sher
01:04:16
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