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[Music] Camp Scott was a 410 acre camp that was owned and operated by the tulsa-based magic Empire
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Council of Girl Scouts since 1928 this Camp was located in a wooded area about two miles from the town of Locust
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Grove Locust Grove Oklahoma is a small town even today with less than 2 000 people
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this densely wooded area is about 40 miles from Tulsa Locust Grove has a large Native American
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population members of the Cherokee and other tribes settled there after they were forcibly relocated for more Eastern
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areas the camp had facilities for up to 140 children and a staff of 30 counselors
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Camp Scott was divided into 10 units named after Indian tribes such as Choctaw and qual the Girl Scouts were
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assigned their units and to their counselors when they arrived at Camp Scott the counselors were generally older
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girls ages 16 to 25. there were no male counselors at the camp most of the campers came from the Tulsa
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metropolitan area Camp Scott housed both Girl Scouts and their younger counterparts the brownies
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so the girls attending ranged in age from second grade through High School one thing of note
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the camp was partially fenced and had Gates that were locked at night but the fence has been described as not
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the kind that could keep anyone in or out in the summer of 77 this place was filled with young people
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the Girl Scouts is a group synonymous with camping the outdoors volunteering and of course cookies
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and a new batch of Scout Troops shuffled in every two weeks to enjoy everything summer camp has to offer
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until that one terrible night in June what took place the night of June 13 1977 was and still is horrifying
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parents sent their young happy daughters to an idyllic two-week camp and they never returned
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what was done to these girls can only be described as pure evil this week we examine the Oklahoma Girl
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Scout murders [Music] well the trailer did a good job of setting up the location for this week's
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case so let's dive right into the events of June 12th and June 13th of 1977. buses full of excited campers arrived
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around 3 P.M on Sunday June 12th this was to be the first day of a two-week Camp the counselors offloaded the girls
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checking their names off the list the girls were separated into units by age and school grade
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there were 10 units total once the girls were sorted their bags were loaded onto
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a pickup truck and transferred to the appropriate tents by counselors in the camp Ranger Ben Woodward
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27 girls were assigned to the Kiowa unit and they were allowed to select their tent mates
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all the tents had four girls but for some reason tent number eight in the Kiowa had only three girls assigned the
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three girls who were left after everyone else picked their roommates these three
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did not come to Camp with friends and did not know anyone else in the unit these girls were Lori farmer age eight
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Denise Milner age 10 Michelle gussay age nine the three were introduced and agreed to
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share a tent they were sent off to unpack and get acquainted the girls unrolled their sleeping bags
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and put them on three of the four cots in tent number eight Lori and Michelle took the cots on the south end of the
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tent and Denise took the first cut on the North side they stowed some of their other stuff on the empty cot
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side note real quick here tent number eight was actually referred to by the Kiowa unit campers and staff as tent
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number seven they did not count the counselor's tent as a tent with a number only the scout
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tents it has become known as tent number eight there's even a well-known book about the
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case with this title the counselors for the Kiowa Unit were Carla Sue wilheit 23 D Elder 20 and
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Susan Emery only 18. all of these counselors were personally hired by camp director Barbara day with at least one
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being a former camper and two being repeat counselors all attended a week-long pre-camp conference earlier in
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the month this is to get acclimated to the rules and Protocols of the Girl Scout camp
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there they were told if they saw any Outsiders on the camp property there to tell them that it's private property and
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to leave this was pretty much the extent of the security of this camp the councilors arrived at Camp Scott
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earlier on the day of the 12th prior to the arrival of the campers and some noticed that someone deliberately cut
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off the flap on tent number six a large section of the newish tent about four feet by five feet was cut off
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it was repaired with linen material so the tent was usable that day contrary to the beliefs of many no counselors were
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assigned the Camper's tents the counselor shared their own tent accommodations within each unit so
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Captain basically what we have here is we have seven tenths that are full of campers four in each with the exception
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of what is actually cabin number seven has three girls in it but it's labeled number eight because the counselor's
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tent that only houses counselors is not counted uh as it's not numbered per the camp yeah and this is a little strange
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because every time I went to summer camp there was a counselor that stayed in our
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cabin with us yes me me as well uh the Kiowa unit was more isolated than the rest of the units
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it was located right next to the border of dense Woods at the westernmost edge of the camp and was accessible only by a
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service road that came to a dead end at the campsite the unit was arranged in a semi-circle with a kitchen and a meeting
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area in the middle of the circle and the circle comprised of the eight platform tents these were really 12 foot by 14
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foot canvas cabins on top of wooden platforms two feet off of the ground Yeah so basically it it looks like a
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cabin but the walls and the the ceiling and or the roof is made out of the tent material but the floor is wood in and
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then you have some steps to get up onto the wooden platform the canvas sides were tied tightly to the wooden
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platforms but could be rolled up as needed each tent was large enough to house four girls tent number eight was
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the last one in the unit furthest removed from the counselor's tent 100 yards away tent number eight was near a
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path that led to the restrooms but was 75 feet from the next closest tent it was not visible from the tent that
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housed counselors Susan Carla and Dee we're gonna post pictures of the actual tents and the layout on our Instagram at
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True Crime garage now we aren't sure what happened for portions of this first day likely the camp engaged in Get to
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Know You activities we do know that dinner in the Great Hall cafeteria was around 5 30 or 6 p.m
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after dinner all the girls gathered and D A Kiowa unit counselor led the whole camp in song
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the sky began to look ominous and it started to pour as the girls made their way to their tents by the time they
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arrived at their tents everyone was soaking wet after dinner activities were canceled
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due to the storm and the counselors told the girls to change into dry clothes and
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get ready for bed the kids spent the evening writing letters home to their parents
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at 8 pm there was a meeting in the kitchen area in the middle of the unit where the girls had cookies and the
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counselors read Winnie the Pooh we know that at some point Denise Milner asked Dee if she could call home she was
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already homesick she did not want to go to camp but her mother convinced her to give it a try
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D comforted Denise and told her to stick it out and that she could call her mother in the morning right counselors
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were trained to try to keep the girls from calling home finding that it didn't help the homesick girls to feel any
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better well and it probably didn't help the return rate I mean if a girl is calling home a couple times during Camp
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her parents might think twice about sending her next year and we all know how young kids can act too given these
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situations if they're in it if they're at a place that they don't really want to be
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they will really exaggerate you know I hate it here it's terrible here it's the worst thing ever and you find out well
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they're singing songs they're reading books they're writing letters they're it's awful yeah it's a torture it's
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horrible you know what I find horrible though I don't like I never like the Get to Know You activities where you have to
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say hi my name is Nick I'm from Columbus I go to school here and I enjoy boating
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or you know you have to like name a hobby or something and because I always feel like to meet you yeah I always feel
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like I'm on the spot and then not only that there's a whole bunch of people that you're meeting for the first time
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and you you try to remember their names or something they're into and it just doesn't work for me yeah I used to get
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extreme homesickness when I'd spend the night at people's houses so then I eventually to stop spinning at
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people's house because I'm like oh I'm just going to wake up in the middle of night and start crying anyways and this
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is not a good look for me so let me just leave about 11. Denise returned to tent
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number eight and she wrote a letter to her mother uh of course this letter saying that she didn't really like camp
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and wanted to come home all three girls in tent number eight wrote letters home that night the rain ended around 9pm
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according to the Camp staff that night the counselors checked on each of the tents and told the girls it was time for
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lights out this was around 10 30. girls stayed up late and told goat ghost stories and giggled and you know all
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that kind of stuff some people have reported that there was an after dark game of Hide and Seek the
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camp was not lit at night there were no electric lights that were left on except
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at the Rangers and directors houses and the absolute Darkness was part of the experience that the girls were expected
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to get used to there was a kerosene lanter hung at the latrine area for use but the girls were
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told to always leave their tent in the company of a buddy and always carry a flashlight to help them navigate their
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way around in the pitch black right the camp was surrounded by dense Woods which
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contributed to the darkness now we need to get into the events and true stories of some things that we know
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that went on that night in question so first we have a counselor in the Comanche unit
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she reported she was walking back from the restrooms at some point after lights out and she noticed a dim light shining
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in the woods nearby it appeared just beyond the tree line surrounding the camp the counselor knew that no one
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should be in that area she shined her flashlight in that direction as as soon as her flashlight
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hit the tree line the dim light was turned off this was in the direction of the service road correct in a few
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minutes it returned and began moving Northwest in the direction of the Kiowa unit again she tried to see what it was
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with her flashlight and again the light went off the counselor waited for several minutes
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and didn't see the light again so she returned to her own tent around 9pm Susan Emery left Kiowa unit
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to go to the staff house to hang out she was not on duty that night around 10 30 p.m D Elder decided to make
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a tent check of the Kiowa unit she went to every tent and talked with the girls the last tent she visited was
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the furthest away tent number eight all three of the girls were finishing their letters home by flashlight
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Dee told them it was time for bed and after a few minutes she closed the flap on the tent and left Susan returned to
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the Kiowa unit around 11 pm at some point in the night counselor Celia Stahl said a girl started screaming in the
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woods and counselors found her sleepwalking they put her back to bed in her tent another thing that was reported
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was at some time in the night a young girl scout started screaming in the club Paul unit
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which housed the youngest campers a frightened girl told counselors that she was walking from her tent to the
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restroom area when someone grabbed her by her raincoat other girls said something was walking around their tents
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one girl said she saw a man in the woods or possibly two men reports vary right counselors presumably attributed all of
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this paranoia to First Night Jitters and or pranks and escorted the girls back to
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their tents I'm sure that it's probably fairly hard to tell what is fact and what is fiction regarding some of these
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stories that these young campers are passing along to the counselors Carlin D both reported hearing the girls giggling
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and messing around Into the Night Carla reported that she and Dee were awakened at 1 30 a.m by some of the
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girls intent number five slamming the door in the bathroom area Carla got up and escorted the girls back
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to their tent then as they both lay awake on their cots Carla and Dee heard a strange noise it seemed to be a low
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guttural moaning Dee and Carla got up and went outside walking toward tent number five
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Carla then walked toward the road that led to the camp when she reached the road she pointed her flashlight in the
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direction of the sound she could see nothing in the woods and the moaning stopped
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she said she assumed the noise was some kind of animal right she walked back to the tent area and she and D checked out
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tent number five and then they returned to their own tent the strange moaning noise then resumed
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sometime in the night likely after 2 A.M as Dee and Carla went back to sleep the flaps of the counselor's tent were
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taken off the hook screws that held them Dees and Susan's purses and Carla's glasses disappeared
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around this time young campers who woke up saw a light outside their tents the girls intent number seven watched as
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the light approached their tent and then suddenly the tent panel was pulled open
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and a light Shone inside the tent a ten-year-old camper watched terrified as a large dark figure glared into the tent
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then dropped the panel and moved away at some point the hook screws holding down the back of tent number eight were
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removed a girl in Cherokee reported hearing screams around 3 A.M and one of the more disturbing details
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one camper and quilt paw unit reported hearing someone screaming or moaning mama mama
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in the morning Carla woke up to her alarm at 6 a.m she planned to get up 30 minutes early so she could take a hot
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shower at the staff house a few hundred yards away from the service road and at these camps I mean you're lucky if you
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get hot water at all so you really you have to get there early and fast if you want to have a hot shower well Carla
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tiptoed out of her dark tent and down the steps it was a beautiful calm sunny day after the storms the night before
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Carla walked along the trail to the showers when a flash of bright yellow caught her eye and she walked over
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closer to investigate she saw from several yards away a sleeping bag on the ground then she saw a child lying
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partially on and under the bag and partially on the ground she wondered what the girl was doing
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sleeping outside of her tent but then what she was seeing registered this small child was not sleeping
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something terrible has happened and Carla ran away strangely she recounts that her first inclination was to run
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and wake up Dee and Susan and the other Kiowa counselors right and insist that they count all of the girls in the Kiowa
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tents she told them she saw a girl's body on the ground and more sleeping bags next to it near the trail
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and she was afraid the girl on the ground was from her unit yeah Susan and Dee and Carla ran to all the Kiowa tents
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checking on the occupants who were still asleep but found tent number eight was empty they had 24 girls accounted for
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but Denise Lori and Michelle were missing Carla looked closer into the dark tent
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and saw Blood on the floor and mattresses she was trying to make heads or Tales of
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everything that was going on yeah it's almost like she wants to count all the campers first so if she goes back to the
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body that she'll know that it's not one of her Campers or if it is one of her campers before she has to investigate
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the body yeah and this girl she was lying near a tree about 150 yards away from tent number eight
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it's very likely that it was simply because she was just too afraid of what she might find right so instead Carla
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told Dee and Suzanne to make sure that the Kiowa girls didn't leave their tents while she ran for help the counselors
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were trained to try to keep calm and keep from upsetting their girls in scary situations
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Carla cut across the field toward the nurse's quarters which was approximately 300 yards to the South
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but Susan apparently decided to investigate what Carla saw and when she came to the area where the girl lay on
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the ground she started screaming right Dee came running and put her hand over Susan's mouth and told Susan to go back
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to the unit to keep the girls calm D felt the first sleeping bag and felt a body inside and same for the second
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sleeping bag she ran for her car meanwhile Carla reached the nurse's quarters and frantically roused Marianne
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alabeck the camp nurse telling her something terrible had happened and there was a body down in the Kiowa unit
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the nurse dressed quickly and hurried to her car while Carlo raced next door to awaken camp director Barbara day and her
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husband Richard meanwhile nurse alebec encountered Dee on the road in her own car and when
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asked what happened Dee told her there are those little girls down there and I think they're all dead
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the nurse drove over to the Kiowa unit and found Suzanne who led her to the spot where the bodies lay
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what nurse olabek saw and Susan Carla and Diesel earlier was horrifying Denise Milner lay on her back on the ground her
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legs spread wide apart she was nude from the waist down there were visible wounds and blood on
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her face the nurse touched the Carotid artery to see if there was a pulse but when she squeezed blood came out of the
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girl's mouth trying to find her wrist the nurse realized that the dead girl's hands were
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tied together behind her back camp director Barbara day and her husband arrived Barbara stayed at the
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car while Richard ran over to the body on the ground he instinctively picked up a sleeping bag lying partially under
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Denise and covered the dead girl Richard was a surgical technician at a large Tulsa hospital and he knew Dead
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when he saw it he noted that there were two other sleeping bags that clearly contained
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bodies and he told his wife to call the police but strangely no one seems to have
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actually opened the two sleeping bags to check on the contents what if one or both of the girls were
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still alive in any event Richard and Barbara got into their car and drove to the house of
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Camp Ranger and ex-marine Ben Woodward he lived in a house on Camp Scott grounds with his wife and kids
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his wife was the camp cook the days had trouble waking Ben and finally had to let themselves in and Shake him in his
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bed until he woke up Richard told him what was going on and Barbara called the highway patrol
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Richard went to the camp gate which was locked from the previous night to wait for the police and then LED them to the
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Kiowa unit Ben Woodward went to the site of the bodies horrified at what he saw he was near tears
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when he recovered himself and looked around he noted a red and white 9-volt flashlight with a roll of duct tape
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lying near the bodies a decision was quickly made not to tell the other campers what happened multiple
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stories are told by girls who were at the camp that day about what information they were given
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some were told that there was a problem with the water supply others say that there was an accident
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as one article said nothing in the Girl Scout manual told these young counselors
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how to deal with this situation the campers were awakened by the camp Bell told to get dressed and sent to
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breakfast in the Great Hall with counselors being sure to steer them onto Pathways from the scene
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after they were fed breakfast and packed up they did some arts and crafts and went swimming until the buses arrived
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and authorities approved the girl's departure all the girls were loaded up and sent
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back home to Tulsa during all of this time while they kept campers distracted Camp staffers were
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using nameless to try to figure out exactly who the missing girls were counselors were being questioned in the
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tents and camp areas were searched by investigators there are conflicting stories about what
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the Camper's parents were told about why the girls were coming home but it seems
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most believed that there was quote an accident at the camp and the parents found themselves waiting for the buses
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not being certain whether their children were coming home when they saw their daughters emerge
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from the buses many of the parents broke down with relief the three victims parents were reached
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by phone and told their daughters had been killed but not much more information than that was given Camp
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Scott officially closed on June 14 1977 and never reopened [Music] yeah foreign [Music]
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holiday cheers to everyone out there Peter Weaver was the sheriff of mays County and was one of the First
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Responders on that morning at Camp Scott he quickly decided that the Slayer or Slayers likely picked that particular
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tent because it was over 50 feet from the others and near thick brush which would give the killer cover
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Weaver stated that he touched Denise Milner's body and estimated her body temperature at around 70 degrees this
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led many people to speculate that Denise was only dead for a short time as her body was somewhat warm around 7 A.M
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at that time of year in Oklahoma the sun begins to rise as early as 5 A.M Sheriff Weaver called in the Oklahoma
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State Bureau of Investigation or the OSBI agent Mike Wilkerson was assigned the horrific case of the three dead girl
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scouts his two brothers were also agents and like many Oklahomans the wilkersons were part Native American
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Mike and his brother Dave wrote someone cry for the children a comprehensive book about this case which we will
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reference from time to time when Wilkerson arrived at the scene he met up with another agent with the
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district attorney Sheriff Weaver a medical examiner and a highway patrolman this is Howard Berry Trooper Berry lived
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less than a mile from Camp Scott and a call from Dispatch sent him to the scene around 6 30 A.M
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also called in was Mike wheat a reporter who helped police by taking crime scene
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photos we took hundreds of photos of the bodies and the scene to document the findings for investigators
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he is still Disturbed to this day at the memory of what he witnessed three sleeping bags one yellow plaid one dark
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green the other a red flower pattern lying together beside the trail under a tree Denise Milner's body and the other
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two inside the bags he photographed inside of tent number eight we commented later when he was done that
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he noted Blood On The Souls of his shoes this next part Captain is very strange and I don't really know what to make of
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it when agent Wilkerson arrived he learned that the two sleeping bags had still not been opened yeah this was at
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10 A.M about four hours after discovering the bodies no one had opened the sleeping bags to check the Girls D
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and Richard day both at least touched the sleeping bags and guessed that there were bodies inside but it's it's
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shocking to me that the bags weren't opened earlier when Law Enforcement Officers opened the
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first sleeping bag they found eight-year-old Lori farmer wrapped in bloody bed sheets
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the next bag was opened and revealed Michelle gussay she was bloody and was bound in a fetal position with cord
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around one hand then looped tightly under her buttocks and bound to the other hand
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some reports state that Lori and Michelle had ligatures around their necks Blood Stained bed clothes were
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found in their sleeping bags there is a disagreement about what the two girls in the sleeping bags were
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wearing when they were found but one report says that they were naked from the waist down the other Reports say
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that they may have been wearing something the body of ten-year-old Denise Milner
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was lying out in the open half nude she was lying on her back with her pajama top pulled up under her arms and her
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arms taped down around the shoulders with black duct tape that ran across the pajama top
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her hands were bound behind her with thick dark two-inch duct tape and some kind of cord the duct tape over top of
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the cord right she was beaten severely on her face in the shape of some kind of blunt object or instrument was visible
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on her face observers said it appeared to be a rectangle approximately two inches long
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and three quarters of an inch wide around Denise's neck there were two ligatures one was a cord the other was
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an elastic bandage attached to the cord was a cylindrical object approximately four inches long
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made of terry cloth towel material the theory at the time is the elastic bandage was pulled over her face to make
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some type of blindfold the terry cloth object was a carefully handmade and hand sewn gag you said
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there's discrepancies on what the findings were like on what they were wearing what two of the girls were
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wearing yeah these would be both of the girls in the sleeping bags right but you
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would assume with all these pictures being taken that would have evidence so we could look back on and say well this
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is what the photo says yes and so where I think that lies is that I don't think there's a discrepancy for the
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investigators I think there's a discrepancy for the general public because I wouldn't assume that all of
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the photos have been released publicly right the other thing here before we move on regarding some of the other
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items found and some of the evidence out there Captain is this this terry cloth object which has been
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noted as carefully handmade hand sewn okay so whether it was intended to be made as a gag you know to gag one of the
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girls or if it was just made for something else and then used as a potential gag it's interesting to me
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because it's referenced as a carefully handmade hand sewn object right right so this is very likely a one of a kind
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object and we've seen this in several cases that we've covered before where we have objects or things that were used
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materials that were used in dumping of a body or binding a person or binding a victim that are one of a kind and later
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we see those items photographed and photographs of such released to the public because again they're one of a
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kind somebody out there knows about should know about these items especially if the killer didn't make it yeah even
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if you can just identify the material if we know where that material came from maybe we can figure out who bought that
00:32:43
material and we saw this specifically in the Amy mihalovic case where we have this this thing that was probably used
00:32:50
to move her body or to cover up her body when it lied in the field but it was somebody repurposed this item somebody
00:32:57
put some work into this item and unfortunately in Amy's case we didn't get this wasn't released to the public until
00:33:04
20 some years later now I don't know I couldn't go back and find if this particular terry cloth object was
00:33:12
released publicly or pictures of it publicly at the time of the initial investigation
00:33:18
the other item we have is that flashlight so this is a red and white nine volt flashlight
00:33:24
this is a bulky almost rectangle shaped flashlight with a large handle on top with the light and lens in the front
00:33:31
these are very typical you see them in a lot of homes and a lot of people use these and purchase these for camping
00:33:38
right this is also possibly the blunt object that was used in the beating very likely and the other thing too we we
00:33:47
talked about uh Wayne Gravette his case not too long ago just a few weeks ago this is a similar flashlight to the one
00:33:53
that was used to make into a bomb for that case now the lens for this flashlight was covered by a piece of
00:34:01
dark green or black garbage bag there's I've had several people I've read several sites that state that it's dark
00:34:09
green I wasn't there and I don't think these people were there when I see pictures of this flashlight
00:34:16
this material this plastic material appears to be black to me right this is attached to the lens and it was attached
00:34:25
with masking tape and a small hole was placed in the plastic presumably so that only a tiny beam of muted light would
00:34:33
shine through inside the flashlight investigators found a section of newspaper wedged
00:34:38
inside the flashlight's battery compartment this very likely intended to keep the
00:34:44
battery in place the paper the newspaper was from the April 17th edition of Tulsa World
00:34:52
investigators entered tent number eight and they found it stained and splattered
00:34:56
with blood there were large blood stains on the wooden floor particularly near the cot
00:35:02
in the Southeast Corner the blood stains on the floor were smeared like someone had tried to wipe them up possibly even
00:35:10
using the sheets and blankets from the cots which we know were found in the sleeping bags with the two girls so the
00:35:17
girls were attacked most likely in the tent there were no drag marks at the spot
00:35:22
where the girl's bodies were found so they were likely carried from the tent over to the spot and then piled under
00:35:29
the tree some of the girls clothing was found nearby they found two different types of
00:35:36
footprints on the floor one a tennis shoe design size 7 and the other was a military
00:35:43
style boot print estimated to be in the size of 10 to 11 range now you're saying
00:35:49
male sizes that I don't know for certain um I would assume that when we're talking about military style boot print
00:35:58
and it being size 10 to 11 range we're looking at male prints there the interesting thing though is the tennis
00:36:05
shoe design size seven right you could speculate really either I guess investigators saw that
00:36:13
the screw hooks holding the back flap of the tent were unscrewed and they were placed on the ground they guessed that
00:36:20
the killer entered the tent from the back now this is this is exactly how it happened with the counselors tent as
00:36:27
well that's a really good question the description is that the flaps may have been opened in the counselor's tent but
00:36:35
but you paint an interesting picture here when you're trying to see this crime go down or the events of that
00:36:41
night do we have an individual or individuals that are they're going up to the back of
00:36:47
the tents and like you said they're they're canvas material these walls right so you could perch down and kind
00:36:55
of Crouch there and wait to see if you hear anybody talking inside right and if you go minutes and minutes and
00:37:02
minutes with no talking now you get Brazen enough and you say all right well I'm going to lift open this back portion
00:37:08
and just kind of peek in you know where it wouldn't be as noticeable as opening up one of the flaps yeah I don't know
00:37:13
how one perches and crouches at the same time but it's difficult you have to be talented yeah or or I could just learn
00:37:22
to speak so we have the camp counselor's tent plus another seven tenths so eight
00:37:28
in total was there things done to other tents well unless you count the story of one
00:37:36
of the campers saying hey somebody opened up our our flap to our tent and looked in
00:37:41
then the answer would be no well we have the one flaps that were cut but they were cut the day before correct so the
00:37:49
difficult thing here with the statement from one of the young campers that says hey somebody at some point opened up our
00:37:55
our flap looked in the tent you know shining a light in there and all I saw was a large shadowy figure right
00:38:03
I don't know that we can say for certain that that is one of the killers or the killer walking around looking for a tent
00:38:10
or looking for a victim it very well could have been a counselor that thought they heard something and was just simply
00:38:17
checking in on the tent and didn't want to wake up the sleeping campers you know
00:38:23
and if you have one girl that's lying there and opens up her eyes and sees this happen but doesn't move the
00:38:29
counselor doesn't know that that kid's you know sleeping so that's difficult to say because the interesting thing with
00:38:36
that is that the tent that the camper says Hey somebody opened up our flap and looked in at some point was the tent
00:38:44
that was next to number eight which all the victims came from so if it was the killer did that have did he see
00:38:53
something inside and that tell him hey I'm moving on to another tent 15 additional agents arrived to conduct
00:39:01
searches of the general area this by early afternoon and by 3 pm a mobile lab and command post and a converted 25-foot
00:39:10
motorhome arrived from Oklahoma City agents and State Police began questioning the Kiowa counselors as well
00:39:17
as the other adults at camp ambulances transported the dead bodies to the medical examiner's office for
00:39:25
autopsies swabs were taken from each victim the bodies were combed all loose hairs and fingernail clippings were
00:39:32
collected three hairs from a piece of duct tape found on Denise Milner's hands were
00:39:38
placed in an Evidence bag and sealed all cords were cut away to preserve the knots for future study the entire
00:39:46
section of blood-stained floor of the tent was removed and taken away the autopsy results were very upsetting
00:39:55
Denise suffered blunt trauma to the head and died of strangulation she was sexually assaulted
00:40:01
there were lacerations on her genitalia and fragments of leaves and debris were found in her what was the trauma
00:40:09
consistent with that flashlight or did they ever report that that's really difficult to say because there was
00:40:15
another item that was found nearby I believe it was a like a crowbar or a tire changing tool right
00:40:22
and they couldn't say for certain where this blunt force trauma came from many have
00:40:28
have thought over the years that it probably came from that crowbar or the tire changing tool but there is no
00:40:35
definitive statement given regarding those the blunt force trauma suffer to her head
00:40:41
Michelle was killed by blows to the back of her head and the sides of her head with contusions to the brain this
00:40:49
leading investigators to believe that she was either lying down or standing with her back to the assailant when she
00:40:55
was struck there were indications that she was sexually assaulted Lori died the same
00:41:01
way blows to the Head she was also sexually assaulted it's believed both Lori and Michelle were assaulted after
00:41:08
they were dead estimated time of death is as early as 2 A.M but noted that it's likely most likely between 4 and 6 A.M
00:41:20
a lot of officers and a lot of agencies the investigators generally agreed that the murderer entered the tent through
00:41:28
the back struck two girls sleeping on the south side of the tent killing them or at least incapacitating them there
00:41:37
wasn't much blood on Denise's bed leading agents to believe that she may have been tied up in the tent gagged or
00:41:43
strangled so she could not scream then taken outside of the tent assaulted in the woods where she was found
00:41:51
regarding the other things that went missing that night these were the purses belonging to Dee and Suzanne that
00:41:58
disappeared sometime in that night yeah Suzanne's purse which she had sown herself out of old blue jeans contained
00:42:06
a pair of sunglasses in a case pairs of glasses belonging to Suzanne and Carla were missing as well Carla didn't
00:42:14
realize this until June 14th when she was finally allowed to return to her tent right at least one pair of glasses
00:42:22
was found discarded in the bushes near the death scene well this gets weird because then you wonder is it somebody
00:42:28
messing with the scene afterwards or were these items actually taken that night that night yeah even if they were
00:42:35
taking that night did the perpetrator come through the front of the tent or do you come through the back because we
00:42:40
know the flaps of the back were taken off yeah and you have like you said there's like 24 hours that go by before
00:42:48
we are told that this item actually went missing right so there's been some thought regarding the
00:42:56
glasses that were found you know they're removed from the tent they're found near
00:43:00
the death scene in the bushes almost as if they were just like tossed away yeah and someone many people have said that
00:43:07
it was almost like someone was trying them on or for whatever reason stole them and decided to toss them at the
00:43:14
last minute investigators collected a pillowcase from the scene stained with semen
00:43:20
in the course of the investigation every adult at Camp Scott and all of the children in the Kiowa Unit were
00:43:26
interviewed by agents all counselors were asked about their sex lives investigators looked at Ben Woodward the
00:43:33
camp Ranger he was actually a suspect very early on Ben was the last person that we know of to enter Camp Scott that
00:43:42
Sunday night so how they approached that how how's your sex life Colonel you mean
00:43:47
regarding the interviewing the counselors right right how do you think they went about that
00:43:53
well and me being I'd be such a jackass that I you know they'd be like how's your sex life Captain I'd say it's kinky
00:44:02
okay well there were there was some evidence or at least some things at the scene that led some of the investigators
00:44:10
to believe now mind you this is before they received the autopsy reports right there were some things found at the
00:44:17
scene that led some investigators to believe that the sexual assaults might have been
00:44:23
might have been perpetrated by a female so I think what they're trying to figure
00:44:28
out here is everyone's you know sex preferences right and and we also have the situation where we have a camp full
00:44:37
of girls a camp full of female counselors and very few men that are working at this area
00:44:43
Ben I think Ben Woodward the camp Ranger I think he really you know I said he was a suspect early
00:44:50
on I don't think he technically was a suspect I think it's just the straight up fact that according to the books he's
00:44:58
the last individual that is known to have entered the camp that night yeah and he was the one that locked the gate
00:45:05
so his story is this his daughter she's grown or at least older and she worked somewhere in town off the campgrounds
00:45:15
yeah he had to pick her up from her work drive her back to their home and after returning he locked the gate this around
00:45:22
10 45 pm only Ben Woodward and Barbara day had keys to this gate is it possible that he
00:45:30
left it unlocked when he went to go pick up his daughter because that would give
00:45:35
somebody an opportunity to get a vehicle on the property and maybe park it in a position where he wouldn't know about
00:45:42
it's possible but according to his statement he when he was told of what had happened at the camp yeah he his
00:45:50
first course of action was to go to the gate unlock it waiting for police to arrive so he could lead them to where
00:45:58
he's been told that the first girl was found they did search his home that day they
00:46:03
found nothing of evidentiary value and he did take and pass a polygraph test with flying colors his wife was his
00:46:12
Alibi you know she said you know he returned home at around 10 45 and was with me all night and she took a
00:46:19
polygraph and passed one as well right Ben told law enforcement that the camp had been subject to break-ins in the off
00:46:26
season with supplies and food stolen more than once yeah but isn't that pretty common with any Campground
00:46:33
I would think so yeah the most recent break-in occurred several weeks before the camp opened this is supported by
00:46:41
several other associates it seems the break-ins were considered harmless almost a reality of life in the remote
00:46:48
wooded area right you know I I know some guys that have places way out in the middle of nowhere that they use cabins
00:46:56
for hunting or for fishing or both and they go there a handful of times each year and they always say hey when I
00:47:03
when I show up for that first time and haven't been there in a while there's things that are changed on my cabin or
00:47:09
on my ground somebody has been squatting there for a night or two right on the 14th a local farmer named Jack Shroff
00:47:17
showed up at Camp Scott with his adult son he heard about the murders on the news Jack Shroff told Sheriff Weaver his
00:47:26
Farmhouse was broken into at some point after 3 P.M on June 12th the Sunday when
00:47:32
the campers arrived at Camp Scott so the day leading into the night of the murders
00:47:38
right so possibly these break-ins have something to do with the murder the murders that night well at the very
00:47:45
least Shroff seems to believe they may have you know in his property it's a 110 acre property it's located about a mile
00:47:52
west of Camp Scott Shroff was there until Sunday the 12th until about 3 P.M so he knows that hey I've not been there
00:48:02
since this time when I returned I noticed that my home was broken into right it had to have happened after 3
00:48:09
P.M on the 12th so the agents went to The Farmhouse and they found that the door was kicked in and they found a boot
00:48:16
print on the doormat now Shroff reported that a role of black duct tape was missing as well as two six packs of
00:48:23
Pabst Blue Ribbon and a crowbar after thorough searches three empty PBR bottles and a crowbar were found in the
00:48:32
Southeast corner of Camp Scott cord matching the cord that had tied up the girls was found in the Shroff home
00:48:39
Shroff identified the duct tape found at Camp Scott as looking like duct tape that he had in his house
00:48:47
but he could not identify the flashlight that they found now Sharaf immediately became a suspect
00:48:53
agents theorized the burglary could be just a cover-up you know Shroff came up with when he realized he left his
00:49:01
flashlight and tape and other items at the scene and that his fingerprints would be found on these items the other
00:49:09
thing that's very curious here too Captain is his timing saying that hey my home was broken into sometime after 3
00:49:16
P.M on the 12th well we know that that was the day that the campers arrived but it's also the timing the time that the
00:49:24
campers arrived he's almost purposely removing himself I mean he could be truthfully removing himself right or
00:49:30
purposefully removing himself from that area at the exact time that the later would be victims are arriving to the
00:49:38
camp all right so this this what I could do he has access and some of his items that quote unquote
00:49:47
his barn was broken into his property was broken into these items are found at the scene correct so
00:49:56
but we don't think he has a motive does he have an alibi what's going to clear this individual
00:50:02
so a tricky thing because he was immediately targeted by the media as a child killer you know that they even I
00:50:11
believe the headlines say child Slayer on the newspaper the next day and they have a big picture of him on the
00:50:19
newspaper yeah that would that'd be really nice she'd come forward trying to help the police and this is what they
00:50:24
get to not the police but the media he Shroff immediately agreed and assisted in any in all parts of the investigation
00:50:33
that he could he went in for questioning and he cooperated he took a polygraph past the polygraph test now it wasn't
00:50:43
just that that cleared him because by all accounts he has been 100 percent cleared of any involvement in the crime
00:50:51
and this is because he had multiple properties Shroff was fairly well to do he had several Alibis that placed him
00:51:01
nowhere near the area at the time when the murders occurred he wasn't in town at that time right
00:51:07
so but it does take some time to track these things down and figure these things out and clear this guy but before
00:51:14
they could he's labeled by the media as the Killer well they would bring in tracking dogs
00:51:21
and once these tracking dogs were brought in OSBI agents did something interesting they brought the doormat
00:51:28
from the Shroff Farmhouse the one that had the discernible boot print on it they brought this to the dogs at Camp
00:51:35
Scott and they gave it to them for Ascent to follow the dogs led the agents right back to The shroff's Farmhouse and
00:51:43
pond area where a burned campfire was found a burnt out campfire this is interesting
00:51:51
because it means that the killer went straight from The Farmhouse you know from burglarizing The Farmhouse
00:51:57
sometime after 3 P.M on Sunday to Camp Scott possibly right so well according to the dogs right unless because he
00:52:06
these items that were placed at the crime scene were taken from the home right so somebody broke into this home
00:52:14
brought those items with them and went to Camp Scott so how did the burglar know that the
00:52:20
house would be empty we I mean we don't know for certain but did the burglar break into the house and happen upon the
00:52:27
duct tape and rope and decide to go kill some girls this seems very unlikely right now one thing that Jack schroff
00:52:35
told investigators was that his Farmhouse had been repeatedly broken into six seven or eight times yeah put
00:52:43
some locks on the door he says well when they found the door it was kicked in I was joking uh he said usually what was
00:52:51
taken from the house was food and tools right um but you have to wonder is it possible
00:52:56
that the killer knew that he would find these items at The Farmhouse because he had been there before possibly having
00:53:04
some squatters in the area because of the Wilderness you know there's a lot of times you can get some of that goes hey
00:53:10
I can set up a tank I could set up a little Campground for myself breaking to the neighboring houses and I can live
00:53:17
off this land for at least a few weeks which also makes you wonder if you're going to ask those questions did the
00:53:22
killer go to this Farmhouse with the intention of breaking into it to steal items to
00:53:28
commit murders yeah did this killer or Killers did they know that there would be 140 campers
00:53:37
showing up that day at Camp Scott I don't know and how much was this person keeping an eye on this area
00:53:46
anyway on Thursday so this is four days after the bodies were discovered a pair of tennis shoes and socks inside a bag
00:53:53
labeled Denise Milner were found on the front steps of a camp Scott Building being used as a command post by all
00:54:02
accounts I could find they were definitely not there the whole time someone placed them there this was right
00:54:08
after someone reported seeing a man in the woods for the third night of that week investigators used dogs but they
00:54:16
couldn't find anything they couldn't track anything they even strung up thread between trees that was found
00:54:21
broken the next day and Footprints were found as well but no trace of anyone someone was clearly in the area moving
00:54:30
around at night foreign a lot more to get to in episode two and three of the Oklahoma Girl Scout murders
00:54:42
yep and we will see everybody back here in the garage tomorrow until then be good be kind and don't litter
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