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[Music] we were trying to decipher and narrow down the time of death for Tracy Harkness that is always key in any
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timeline and the timeline is always one of the most important parts of any investigation especially a homicide
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investigation now in this investigation the detectives did a lot of digging to try to figure out whether Tracy had gone
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straight home from that party or if she had maybe stopped off somewhere maybe a bar as we mentioned yesterday she was
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known to do this in the past and was a regular at several bars in the area like the VIP and rainies but remember in the
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past few weeks leading up to her death she had rejoined her church and vowed to clean up her act and said no more bars
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no more drinking Etc detectives were never this is key to to this timeline detectives tried very hard to find out
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if she stopped anywhere on her way home and they were never never able to find any bar that Tracy was seen at on the
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night in question which is Thursday November 5th 1992. well and like we said this is a typical
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Midwestern suburb not a lot of bars so it wasn't like law enforcement this is one of the advantages law enforcement
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have in this case is to go and question people at these bars or to question the owners they would have known all these
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people and if she went out of the area to visit people that she knew let's Circle back on the idea that of
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something we pointed out yesterday everybody in her Social Circles seemed to know each other it was rather just
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one big Social Circle rather than these different Social Circles they all kind of knew each other and they all kind of
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like to talk about everybody else's business so had she been spotted anywhere I believe this would have been easy for
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detectives to discover in their investigation obviously Tracy worked a normal day on
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that Thursday November 5th but did not show up on Friday the 6th to her job her supervisor tried calling Tracy's
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apartment several times during the day but never received an answer neighbors confirmed four detectives at
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Tracy's car was not in its parking spot at 10 pm on Thursday the 5th but it was there at 3
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A.M and then was spotted by another neighbor at 5 45 a.m on the 6th so the party ends
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at 10 30. she leaves the party roughly at 10 30. detectives have every indication
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no reason to think otherwise that she likely drove home straight home from the party as she told
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several other people in attendance at that party that she was going home afterwards right now we have neighbors
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confirming a couple things and narrowing down the window of that time of death her car was not in her parking spot at
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10 pm makes sense we have people at the party saying she didn't leave till 10 30. couldn't have been home any earlier
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than 10 40 if she did leave at 10 30. so this all this information is backing itself up here it's the checks and
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balances so the neighbors say no car at 10 pm on the fifth but it was there at 3 A.M
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on the 6th and again at 5 45 a.m on the 6th and remember her body was found on the afternoon of the sixth so really
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we've already narrowed it down to roughly 10 40 p.m on the 5th to 3 A.M on the 6th and I don't think that anything
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happened in her car or along the way home because we have detectives who process
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Tracy's vehicle and no blood was detected there were prints lifted and submitted for processing
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it looks to me like they all came back to people that they would have expected to have been in the car at some point
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that were people known to Tracy now detectives would go on to say that they believed Tracy Harkness was killed
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overnight on the fifth leading into the sixth let's compound that by the idea of
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Tracy's friends who said that she would always change her clothes upon arriving home to wind down for the night so if
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her friends are correct the attack would have went down very shortly after she arrived home that
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night on the fifth if she left the party and went straight home as she said she would have been there right around 10 40
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10 45 PM which again I think leads to this idea that the murderer knew her possibly knew her schedule and was
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possibly waiting there for her not necessarily inside the apartment but could have been waiting and and like I
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said once you see movement once you see lights turning on in that apartment then
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that's when you make your attack and they did a lot of digging in this case so investigators subpoenaed Tracy's
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phone records they checked her answering machine you remember those things they pressed redial on her phone at the
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apartment and spoke to the person that answered they collected her address book and contacted listed parties in her
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address book and they even read her diary they also looked at the possibility that this may have they
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didn't just rule out random attack right away or maybe targeted for other reasons
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than what they would remember they land on the idea that this was a crime of passion that somebody was angry with
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Tracy they had some kind of Confrontation and this was the result they didn't rule that out right away
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they did their due diligence here they even looked at any potential repairmen or maintenance people that would have
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had affiliation with the Regency Arms Apartments and they did note that in October
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there was a repair or maintenance man in her apartment that man his name was Jim
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Brady and so they checked in on him as well and those all of those items don't seem to go anywhere they're kind of
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stuck in the mud the detectives are of this idea of look this was somebody that knew her this was somebody on her inner
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Social Circle and that's where we're going to find the killer of Tracy Harkness so eyebrows will be raised when
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it's learned that Tracy had a life insurance policy that was going to be paid out to her ex-husband Mike yes
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Captain Mike Harkness was the beneficiary of a eighty two thousand dollar life insurance
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policy on Tracy Harkness now what's interesting here in this investigation is obviously Mike is not
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going to try to sweep this under the rug or hide this fact from investigators in
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fact he admitted that Tracy actually called him this is really bizarre called him the Wednesday before her
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death so if she's attacked on a late Thursday night or early Friday morning in the in
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the small hours of Friday morning we're talking about this conversation took place probably within 36 hours of her
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murder and he says that hey she called me on this Wednesday and asked who the beneficiary of his
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policy was so he has a life and life insurance policy on himself right and she has a life insurance policy very
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responsible to do when you have a child they have this conversation because she tells him hey I'm con you are the
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beneficiary of my life insurance policy I'm calling to see who's the beneficiary
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of yours because I'm considering changing it changing the person that is listed as the beneficiary and so Mike
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tells the police look she got upset when I told Tracy that she's not the beneficiary of my
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life insurance policy it's my mom and she says well why would you pick your mother and he says I know you know
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no slight against Tracy but he says I know that my mom will use the money to take care of our daughter Megan so he
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he's saying look this isn't a big deal to Tracy but no it's either pure coincidence or it's very weird that this
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conversation takes place where she's considering changing up the beneficiary within 36 hours or so of her murder yeah
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this is one of those things in the case where you go how bizarre how bizarre because
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that gives you motive right there and the other thing that I don't you look statistically
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the husband did it or the ex-husband right statistically that's that's what happens
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in these cases the other thing that I don't like about Mike's story in general is that
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he went hunting on that Friday I would like to know when was that trip planned well that's
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that's exactly right that's interesting that you say that so from we have some details about
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that information well give me the deal so detective Robinette and Sergeant deskins went to Mike's residence on that
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Friday this is November 6th they're there at 6 p.m this is when they speak to his fiance Sherry Mike is not home
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he's still away for the day hunting and remember we have Megan the daughter who is with Mike's mother being babysat
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that night detectives verified that Megan was with Mike's mother they left a business card
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for Mike to contact them when he returned from hunting so he actually returns a short time thereafter
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and calls the police as he you know as they instructed he quickly sits down for an interview with them this is on the
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night of the sixth so we don't have a whole lot of time that expires her she's found roughly around 3 P.M that
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afternoon they go to his house around 6 p.m he's not there but he returns shortly afterwards and still that same
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evening he's sitting down with detectives and they are interviewing him now he tells them that he and Tracy were
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close had always been close they stayed close they talked daily mostly about their daughter as they were juggling
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taking care of her he told police that on the fifth Thursday he was in Alum Creek Hunting for the day with his buddy
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John Ford okay so this this hunting trip wasn't just on that Friday it was on that Thursday as well
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and this was just a daytime hunting trip for he and his friend so let me get this
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correct they go out on Thursday they go hunting they come back home on Friday they go back out hunting yes
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and remember this is early November and hunting seasons change throughout the year there would have been a there's a
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good amount typically I couldn't find the actual hunting season's schedule for 1992 but usually in the November months
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and once November hits and it starts to get cold here in Ohio there are a significant number of animals that you
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are allowed to hunt per the rules and regulations once that time frame hits so for people that don't live in in Ohio or
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don't live in areas where hunting is a more common hobby it's not uncommon I I can count I have to go to
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my second hand to count the number of people that I know that take a week off from work
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as soon as that their their favorite hunting season opens up during that year and I don't know when
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his first day off was or when his last day off was to be scheduled but from the information that we have Mike was on a
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week's vacation and that that week's vacation was primarily based around the idea of
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hunting with his friends so it sounds to me I don't have I can't put a definitive
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date on when all of this stuff was planned but usually when you have to take off time from work you're doing
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that well in advance of the days that you are seeking to be away from work right if I'm law
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enforcement I want to know when he planned that and when did the week start and when did it end because some people
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will book in their weekends oh give me Wednesday off and then I'll come back the following Wednesday
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or or was he off Monday through Friday I'd just like to know that if I'm law enforcement the other thing I want to
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know is when he goes out with his buddy Mr Ford how long is he with that individual and
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if you're correct and they went out Thursday and then they came back home and then went out again Friday that
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would still put him within the area of those apartments and of the murder scene yeah so the area where he's hunting is
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roughly a 30 minute or 45 minute drive at best from Tracy's apartment so we're not talking we're not talking
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like he states away he's he's with a a relatively short drive 45 minutes maybe 50 minutes at the most I would be
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guessing here well but help me get clear on this did he go out Thursday night and then
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come back home yeah so we and we have that information so what we have here is that on let's go to that Thursday
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because that's when the time in question starts on the fifth on Thursday he's at
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Alum Creek Hunting for the day with his good friend John Ford on that same day Sherry picked Megan up
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from daycare around 5 30 and then Mike is home at 7 30. he and Megan and Sherry were all home that night Sherry backs
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this up and then to further back that up we have John Ford that verifies that yes
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we came home at 7 30 on Thursday and then Mike and I left to go back out hunting again on Friday morning
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and it is in the notes that he had that Mike was on a week vacation a vacation the notes say that he was on vacation
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that week which makes me believe that it was Monday through Friday that that very
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week but I I don't know I wouldn't say that with 100 certainty it just looks like he took off a week from work but
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again what time do they leave on Friday do we know that do they leave at 7 00 a.m do they leave at 5am
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I don't have that in my notes the only reason why I'd like to know that is because we see no movement in our car we
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have this time period like you said to the attack happen pretty close when she came home
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possibly and what what evidence do we have of that oh well she liked to change her clothes was it possible that she
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came home and she turned on the TV and she sat down and she fell asleep and then somebody wakes her up at 1am
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or 2 A.M or 3 AM you see what I'm saying and then that person goes back home they take their
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shower they clean up and they they go hunting for the day it's not out of the realm of possibility
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it's not but I think the problem with that theory is the statements by the others that are
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backing up hey I came home at 7 30 and then I left the next morning to go hunting no I agree and I disagree
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because if you go to if you went to sleep with your significant other and that's all they know
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but you were planning to leave at 5 00 am for a hunting trip but you decided to wake up at 2 30 and go commit this crime
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and then come back there's a good chance that your significant other wouldn't have any clue of what time you left the
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bed that night that's all I'm saying in the conversation with the detectives Mike
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Harkness does tell them that he had met this other individual that we will get further into as we go and that is David
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celock remember David is the most recent boyfriend of Tracy and the two broke up shortly before she
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was killed Mike said that he met David once and Tracy told him that David had a record for assault with a deadly weapon
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now this is a little bit of hearsay Captain I couldn't find any actual charges against David C lock for an
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arrest with a deadly you know for an assault with a deadly weapon right I mean unless it took place when he was a
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youth I I think that this might just be rumor and I think as we see as we go it might be understandable why this was a
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rumor or maybe this is something that David celock made up and would tell other people
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now he goes on to tell the detectives that Tracy told him that she had not slept with David even though they had a
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some kind of a relationship for a brief period of time and that she was back going to church at this time of her life
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and Mike also told detectives that Tracy told him that she had to break up with David celock because David celock kept
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hanging out with his ex-girlfriend Janet now Mike said oh Janet Mike said after hunting all day when he got home that
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night Sherry told him about Tracy's death and that's when he called The Detectives
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later Mike told police that he paid Tracy's burial expenses detectives notes indicate that they
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found no inconsistencies in Mike's story well like I said statistically you're going to want to
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look at the boyfriend or the partner and I don't like it when it seems like that
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individual is establishing an alibi but I don't think in this case Mike is establishing an alibi I think those were
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the events that happened that week and to back that up we have Mike's partner and on top of that we
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have this hunting friend that went with him two days in a row so I don't I feel like those events are truthful and he's
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not establishing an alibi now we need to introduce someone named Christina Dempsey who went by the name Tina to
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most of her friends she had known Tracy for six years I believe they met while they were in high school she was the
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bridesmaid at Tracy and Mike's wedding she says that she last saw or tells police that she last Saw Tracy about a
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week before the murder and she saw her at church at the grace Memorial Church she says that she talked to Tracy
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multiple times a week again police are still trying to gather up information on who their victim is and that will likely
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lead them to who the perpetrator is especially when you have this type of crime where you believe you're talking
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about a crime of passion with the likely perpetrator or perpetrators being somebody on the inner Social Circles of
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your victim Tina says that Tracy was a typical redhead she was opinionated had a temper
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Tina says their church was religiously conservative but Tracy strayed a number of times from the church
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saying that Tracy went to bars and partied on occasion in the last month of Tracy's life we have Tina who is
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confirming that Tracy made a promise at the altar to straighten out her life and
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to stop going out to bars and to stop drinking and she's regularly attending church again
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Tracy called her that Thursday afternoon the Thursday in question this was to ask Tina again if she would
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go to the lingerie party so it sounds to me like Tina was invited to this party prior but she already had plans with her
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boyfriend that evening so she would not be attending that same part Tina said Tracy told her that she met David celock
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when he was on the rebound she said he treated her really nice and they had a lot to talk about saying that Tracy
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liked him but didn't but didn't sleep with him according to what Tracy told Tina the information that Tina provides
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to police is that David had just broken up with his girlfriend Janet and they had two kids together and after they
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broke up he and Tracy start this relationship and he's crashing at Tracy's apartment but it wasn't like
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this big romance as far as Tina was concerned and eventually David C lock goes back to or attempts to go back to
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his girlfriend Janet this after Tracy and he broke up whether how official or unofficial the relationship was it was
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ended just seems like a lot of wasted time and a lot of drama well this part is really interesting
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here Captain because Tina and this this will be become even more interesting once we get into some
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of these Persons of Interest because when you start going through these Persons of Interest in some of the
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relationships that that Tracy had in her life and the people in her Social Circles you can
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see the potential for enemies now Tina tells police that she knew of no enemies male or female of Tracy's but goes on to
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tell detectives that look Tracy and I lived somewhat different Lifestyles and because of that Tracy
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would keep secrets from Tina because Tina was very religious and also openly admitted to detectives that she was
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rather judgmental of her friends and so Tracy would keep secrets or maybe just not tell Tina every single thing that's
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going on in her life yeah we all have friends like that there's times that maybe I go to a party with friends or go
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to a bar with friends and I had a little bit too much to drink there are some people that I will tell that story to
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and there's other people that I keep that to myself a lot more to uncover in this case let's get to some pois after
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cheers to you cheers to you Captain let's get into some Persons of Interest at least as far as the police were
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concerned in this case and from what was reported in the news at the time and since then rather
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this tidbit comes from the Grove City news from November of 1992 and it's a quote
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from one of the officers it says quote for now at least the notion of a random killer has been ruled out police
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theorize the killer knew the victim this is coming from Sergeant deskins who went
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on to explain quote at this point we don't think we have a random stalker to deal with we also feel that robbery
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wasn't the motive in this case end quote the fact that Tracy wasn't sexually assaulted either seemed to
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remove that as a motive as well it pointed to someone being angry with her and killing her in a rage
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now we got a list of people that we need to go through here captain and let's start with the ex-husband Michael
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Harkness as we pointed out it seems on the surface at least that he had an alibi for the time in question he had
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returned from hunting with his buddy John Ford and hung out at home with Megan and his fiance Sherry all night on
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the Thursday it looks like this Alibi whether us or The Listener or whomever wants to
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believe it or not it appears based off of a lot of information that this Alibi had enough backing it up that
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the police felt pretty firm about this alibi because we have Sergeant deskins on
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record saying quote if I had to go out on a limb and rule out anybody as a suspect it would be him and quote
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talking about Michael Harkness well look I don't like when law enforcement does that I think if you're law enforcement
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you keep it close to the the vest you anytime they bring up anybody you say we're not rolling anybody out
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and yes you have a alibi but you know where I stand on that if the person is in a relationship with you
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whether that is your parents a sibling or or in this case a romantic partner I don't I don't I don't buy those as
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Alibis right and I'm in in agreeance with you my suspicions here Captain would be for
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someone like Sergeant deskins to say that openly in the newspaper indicates to me that they have a lot backing up
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Michael harkness's Alibi that they're not just taking the word of his fiancee well yeah right and what's not in our
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notes and and what we're not privy to or at least what I'm not privy to is was his Vehicles parked outside and did
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neighbors of Mike see his Vehicles there all night long so his Alibi might not just be established by a romantic
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partner it could be established in another way that we're just not and the reason why I'm putting a lot of weight
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on this statement by sergeant deskins again he says quote if I had to go out on a limb and rule out anybody as a
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suspect it would be him meaning Michael Harkness the reason why I put a lot of weight to that
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and give a lot of credit to to that statement is he's saying if I had to rule out anybody
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and what we will see is there's other people in this story that they never officially rule out they don't
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officially rule out anybody we just have that statement by sergeant deskins that
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if he had a rule out anybody as a suspect it would be Mike Michael Harkness so to me I feel like there's
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probably a lot pointing that he didn't do it again we don't know we are reviewing the case as the detectives saw
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at the time based off of the evidence that they found and evidence that was presented to them now let's continue on
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with our list of individuals so remember another person high percentage we talk about you want to look at the ex-husband
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or the husband or the boyfriend or the ex-boyfriend the high percentage of the likelihood of finding the perpetrator
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nearest to our victim the other person you always have to consider is someone who finds the body well that was Stephen
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hutter and Stephen Hunter interestingly enough did have a record for felonious assault
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he was interviewed at length he and Lori helped Tracy move into her place remember he and Lori were
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together when her body was found based off of the information we have Stephen hutter and his girlfriend Lori
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helped Tracy move into her apartment they actually stayed there for one night after helping her move in
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but he has a verified Alibi he was with Lori and at work on the night of the murder per police and then the thing
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about him too he is one of the few people on this list that you can look at and go well I don't
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see a motive here several of these other individuals you can you don't have to use your imagination
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too much to see a potential motive with which is a perfect segue to our next individual named Mitchell Wiseman this
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was a former boyfriend of Tracy's but we got to go back a lot of years for this relationship
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he was Tracy's High School boyfriend they dated for about a year when they were 16. now Mitch has an extensive
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criminal record a lot of the his criminal record is after 1992. after Tracy was killed I do want to clarify
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though that most of his the charges against him it's pretty minor stuff it's a lot of traffic violations a lot of
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being negligent with with his his vehicle with his license and some omvi stuff so I want to be
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clear that there's not a lot of violence in his criminal record right yeah so he's he's a [ __ ] he shouldn't
00:35:32
own a car and he's bad at he shouldn't own a vehicle right but that doesn't make you a murder correct that's correct
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his wife Heather was interviewed at length as well now Heather tells police that Tracy our victim was actually
00:35:47
stalking her husband Mitch and says that she would catch Tracy sitting in her car outside of their
00:35:55
house and calling the house and hanging up if Heather answered the phone this is interesting because this isn't
00:36:02
the only person that we hear this type of behavior from remember we had other people that
00:36:09
reported that if Tracy was really into somebody she might show up at their place of work unexpectedly or
00:36:17
if that man was already in a relationship she might show up at their home unexpected that's very dangerous
00:36:24
Behavior because in this scenario if it's true that that Tracy was stalking this man this married man now you have
00:36:36
two enemies you have this married man that you are now causing conflicts for him happy wife half happy life not a
00:36:44
happy wife so that would give him motive to maybe confront her and then maybe the confrontation gets out of hand
00:36:52
because like we also heard that that Tracy could be physical so is there a possibility that this man
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tries to confront her to get her to stop whatever she's doing and there then a confrontation breaks
00:37:09
out or the other enemy becomes the wife because and again it could be another situation
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where the wife decides to confront the individual and and it gets out of hand and and murders
00:37:26
the end result well and it gets a little more messy when we really hone in and zoom in
00:37:35
on this situation so Heather knew Tracy from not just this situation but but she
00:37:45
knew Tracy fairly well because they went to the same church and they ran in the same Social Circles when police are like
00:37:53
hey can you bring us up to speed on what's going on in Tracy's life at the time of the murder
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Heather reports to police that she had heard that Tracy was dating a guy from it's it's somewhat of a gang I guess she
00:38:09
would call it it was they they call themselves The Fifth Street Wrecking Crew she doesn't offer up any names of
00:38:15
who this individual is within the 5th Street Wrecking Crew but she says that and again this could just be a rumor
00:38:21
that she's reporting but right as she reports it to police she says Tracy was dating a guy from the 5th Street
00:38:28
Wrecking Crew it was known to her or believed by Heather that Tracy was scared of this man whoever he was yeah
00:38:35
guys sounds like a canoe full of dicks she goes on to tell police that the rumor around the bars and such and in
00:38:45
their Social Circles is that that is the guy that killed Tracy now what that rumor is based off of who knows but
00:38:53
that's what she's reporting to police now this is where this whole situation with Mitch or Mitchell Wiseman and
00:39:01
Heather and Tracy gets very bizarre to me this is I I find this to be bizarre behavior but I want to I really wanted
00:39:11
it to me I really want to point this out I really want to point this out give it to us we're ready we have
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Heather reporting this information to the police right at the time that she's reporting this
00:39:23
information this is after Tracy has been killed so we don't have Tracy to answer
00:39:30
and present her side of this story we should be very clear on that we're only getting one side of this story
00:39:40
so Mitchell is interviewed on the ninth he admits to police that he and Tracy had a six month long affair
00:39:49
when Mitch was married to his wife Heather and Heather was pregnant what a fart this was between Tracy's two
00:39:57
marriages to her ex-husband Mike we don't have an exact timeline on this but if he used the information that we've
00:40:04
already delivered you can put a little bit of a timeline to this we know that Tracy's marriage second marriage to Mike
00:40:12
was over even as far as the courts are concerned by April of 1992. right and according to this information
00:40:21
the six-month-long affair between Mitch and Tracy went down between the two marriages and remember we have Michael
00:40:29
on record Mike Harkness on record saying look we were really only actually together for about a month between
00:40:37
August and September of 1991. So based off of all of that information I'm going to say that this affair
00:40:45
whenever it took place was probably over and done with before August of 1991. and I think it's important to point all
00:40:54
of that out because if there is beef or anything going on in this situation between Tracy Mitch and Heather
00:41:02
well all of the information we have all indicators say that that relationship would have been over with 14 15 months
00:41:11
roughly before Tracy was killed so it's a bit while it's a big story it may be a
00:41:17
nothing story but still let's get into these details because this is really bizarre behavior so they have the six
00:41:24
month long Affair this takes place when Mitch's wife is pregnant right how bizarre how bizarre Mitch ends up
00:41:32
breaking it off with Tracy Tracy gets angry according to Heather and then went and told
00:41:39
Mitch's wife Heather all about this affair yeah her hope is if I tell your wife then that's going to cause a
00:41:45
conflict she's going to leave you and then you're left with me right and so this of course is going to
00:41:52
cause all kinds of problems between Mitch and Heather but obviously we know they were able to work it out work
00:41:57
through it because they are still together uh in November of 1992. because of this situation Mitch says that he you
00:42:06
know he'd already broke it off with Tracy but would distance himself from her and in fact very quickly lost touch
00:42:12
with Tracy but this was until they happened to run into each other at a New Year's Eve party
00:42:20
and they may have started seeing each other again depending on who you ask well let me just let me just throw out
00:42:28
this this flag by the way because we don't have Tracy here to give us the difference right correct
00:42:38
but when normally when there is an affair or something bad happens people try to
00:42:49
minimize that so when he says well it was a six month Affair it could have been longer but it
00:42:56
also shows the state of mind that if you're not above having a relationship with a married man
00:43:08
then you're probably not above having a relationship when you're in a relationship
00:43:14
if that makes any sense agreed I don't want to get into a victim blaming or shaming
00:43:21
situation here I want to really underline the fact that we are talking about a whole bunch of people that are
00:43:28
in their early 20s and I'll tell you what this will surprise no one I was no angel
00:43:35
myself in my early 20s so we we all have a lot of growing up to do at that time and many of us I'm a firm believer in
00:43:45
this many of us are not very much fully developed not very much adults at that time even though our
00:43:51
driver's license may say that we are one also she you know Tracy was in a tough situation again
00:43:58
and I felt like a broken record when I say this is a different time period the early 90s
00:44:05
she has a child you know Society had expectations of women that are and they still have
00:44:15
expectations of women to this day that are just not fair or don't make any sense so you have this
00:44:24
young single mother and she seemed to become somewhat desperate to feel that to fill that void yes and again I I
00:44:36
think one thing I want to point out is that the information we have is that when they had this affair
00:44:45
this was before the second marriage to Mike and there's other indicators in the reports that the the Affairs stopped
00:44:57
that Tracy and he stopped Tracy and Mitch stop seeing each other before Megan was born and we reported that she
00:45:04
was roughly about 18 months old at the time of Tracy's murder but here's the really weird thing
00:45:12
captain even after this affair is over with likely over with for months and months
00:45:17
and months Tracy moved in the reports say across the street and it's not actually across
00:45:25
the street but she moves into the same neighborhood as Heather and Mitch yeah that's suspicious she moves in the place
00:45:32
that she moved into that's in the same neighborhood as Heather Mitch is the Grove City Apartment that Tracy was
00:45:38
later killed in if you look at this thing again a lot of the times when it's reported it says moved in across the
00:45:44
street it's not really across the street it's not really the same street this was
00:45:49
a large apartment complex however Tracy is within and and most of the time too when you sign up and you and you apply
00:45:59
to to these apartments not always do you get to pick your apartment you're just taking whatever is unoccupied at the
00:46:06
time right you're applying to be in the apartment complex you're normally not applying for a certain a certain
00:46:15
location and normally if they approve you they they might give you a few options
00:46:22
but what makes this all weird so she's roughly a little more than a football field away from
00:46:29
from apartment to apartment Tracy's apartment to Mitch and Heather's apartment and the thing that makes it
00:46:34
weird is that Heather tells police that Tracy knew exactly where they lived so this didn't just happen you know Heather
00:46:44
doesn't seem to believe that it just happened well and the thing here is it doesn't
00:46:49
we can't just believe Mitch because he says the relationship's over because he is a liar and cheat to his wife so how
00:46:59
why are we going to believe him and we have no proof that Mitch didn't say hey why don't you come move in close by me
00:47:06
the other weird thing here though again this is again this is according to Heather we don't have Tracy here to
00:47:11
confirm or deny this she's saying that she believed that Tracy would follow them around and sit
00:47:18
in her car and watch them now Heather is so upset about Tracy living in such close proximity to
00:47:28
them she says that they tried to get out of their lease so that they could move but the apartment complex the only thing
00:47:36
that they could offer them was well you could switch apartments but you need to stay with us because you signed this
00:47:41
lease there's so many things about this because like I said it gives motive to both of them
00:47:49
he gives motive to Mitch to get Tracy out of his life it gives motive to the wife to try to
00:47:56
get Tracy out of their life we can't move well heck I'm just gonna have to kill her so
00:48:05
we don't have to deal with this anymore and then also you can't trust their Alibi because they could have been in
00:48:12
you know this could have been a plan they made and tell me if I'm crazy for having this thought but if I'm law
00:48:23
enforcement you'll you'll want to know what test I'm running I want to make sure that that Mike
00:48:32
is the biological father so let's get into potential Alibi for these two individuals right because you can see a
00:48:40
lot of reasons why they would find themselves on a short list of Persons of Interest in this case
00:48:46
Mitch tells police and this is later confirmed by police that on that Thursday night his brother-in-law and
00:48:55
sister came over to their apartment this to help him install a ceiling fan they left and then at some point he and
00:49:03
Heather go to bed they say that they're in bed around 11. the other thing we need to point out there's nothing wrong
00:49:09
with your theory there or or maybe not your actual Theory but a potential theory in this case the only thing about
00:49:17
that though is I would really kind of Circle in on the idea that yes this could have been planned but there's a
00:49:24
lot of indicators that this may not have been a planned attack that somehow things went bad there's a confrontation
00:49:32
but it leads to this attack well right and that's what I'm saying is what if Mitch and his wife go over just to
00:49:42
have a confrontation maybe they they saw her in the neighborhood and went oh she's
00:49:49
following us again we got we got to go say something my other issue with them is we don't have eyewitnesses and you
00:49:56
think that again if somebody drove to the apartment and parked in the apartment space
00:50:04
that maybe you'd be more likely to have an eyewitness if the individual parked even down the
00:50:11
street maybe would be more likely to have an eyewitness we have no eyewitness but
00:50:18
they could have just walked right a football field that's the difference between these two Persons of Interest
00:50:24
and everybody else on this short list is that these two one or both of them were
00:50:31
the only ones that had the the ability to just simply walk to where the murder took place well
00:50:40
Mitch and Heather again there's so many red flags that are just going off but sometimes in these cases those are
00:50:47
nothing burgers let's get into a suspect that might be even more interesting in throwing up
00:50:56
more red flags yes and this is an individual that we've mentioned several times and
00:51:02
this is straight from the reports here captain and it looks like police learned very
00:51:08
quickly from Tracy's family that remember she had recently broken up with a guy who some have said should be the
00:51:16
prime suspect in this murder case and I'm sure those who say that arrived at that conclusion for a multitude of
00:51:24
reasons this is David celock age 22. He's listed as a doc worker and former landscaper and a member of The Fifth
00:51:37
Street Wrecking Crew and from what I gather his Hobbies were hunting and fishing playing pool playing video games
00:51:45
drinking not working and being an [ __ ] well that's an impressive list of hobbies Grove City PD Sergeant Dennis
00:51:53
deskins said quote they didn't know if or where David went to school and his employment history is sketchy now the
00:52:03
detectives attended Tracy's well-attended funeral to see who would show up Tracy's most
00:52:10
recently rumored to be boyfriend or ex of approximately two weeks David celock did not show up foreign
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