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[Music] crime this is true crime garage and this is the case of the kai Omega [Music]
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killings fight and coeds at Florida State University in Tallahassee walked a class in groups today while detectives
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tried to track a man who slipped into a sorority house early yesterday and murdered two women David dick
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reports the killer struck first at the kai Omega sorority house police say he simply walked in through an unlocked
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door they say he was armed with a heavy Oak log he clubbed and then strangled to
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death 20-year-old Lisa Levy and 21-year-old Margaret Bowman at least one of them was raped then he brutally beat
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three more sleeping co-eds Karen Chandler and Kathy Kleiner Cheryl an Thomas was severely beaten in her
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apartment six blocks away their conditions today fair to Serious the killer came in from the
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night and then returned to it with an ease that has so far baffled police and left most co-eds here terrified
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Blood Stained bed sheets and numerous bags of other evidence were prepared at the Tallahassee Police Department for
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transfer to the crime lab Sergeant Howard Winkler was one of the first on the scene when he hit the girls uh I
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just don't think they had a chance to to fight back I think it just went in and hit I just don't think they had a chance
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to cry out Captain Burl peacock of the criminal investigation division says he thinks it
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will be a very difficult case to solve what kind of a person do you think is at large well I'd rather say we've got a
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very disturbed sick individual a university crime prevention officer visited Florida State sororities today
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urging hous mothers to take stricter security measures but many co-eds remained worried and badly frightened I
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think everybody's scared all the time I'm even just walking to classes and today we've been keeping our doors
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locked during the day too which we don't usually do the front door of the kega house was not only locked today a
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policeman stood guard on the others side the house mother stepped out a few moments but would not talk in front of a
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camera she said they were just lovely girls it has been a harrowing experience David dick CBS News
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Tallahassee FBI agents and Florida police are questioning a man by the name of Theodore Robert bundai about the
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killing of two Florida State State University co-eds in January and attacks on three other co-eds Bundy had escaped
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New Year's Eve from a Colorado jail where he was a suspect in 36 rapes and murders mostly in the west over a 7-year
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period he was recaptured Wednesday morning arrested in Pensacola Florida on a stolen car charge but he gave the
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police another name and it wasn't until last night that he was identified as Bundy all the police are saying for now
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is that Bundy is cooperating and talking with investigators the car he was driving had been reported stolen in
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Tallahassee the scene of the Florida State campus problem Leslie President Carter leaves today on
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his Pensacola Florida police are questioning a man they say may be one of the worst sex murderers of all time we
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have a report from Bruce Hall police arrested this 31-year-old man after a high-speed chase Wednesday morning in
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Pensacola Florida he claimed to be a Florida State University law student but now he has been positively identified as
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prison escape e Theodore Bundy a suspect in the raped murder cases of at least 36
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young women in California Washington Oregon Utah Colorado and Michigan he is also on the FBI's 10 most wanted list
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among the first to arrive to question bunday were these detectives from Tallahassee Florida where two coeds were
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murdered and three others savagely beaten last month Tallahassee officials would not talk to the Press but they did
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talk to the state attorney in Pensacola I do know though that they told me that he was a definite suspect in their
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investigation it has been learned that Bundy has been living in this Tallahassee apartment since a few days
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after he escaped from a Colorado prison on New Year's Eve the apartment is less than a mile from the Kaio mea sorority
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house in Florida State where the highly publicized attacks took place in mid January when Bundy was arrested police
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said he had in his possession 21 stolen credit cards all from coeds at the University this afternoon Bundy was
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taken to court where he was ordered held without bond he will remain in Pensacola
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under tight security until authorities can determine if he will be charged with the Florida State State University
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murders and what state has the strongest case against him Bruce Hall CBS News [Music]
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mobile let's see where we left off here Captain last we spoke we were talking about Ted Bundy and last time we saw him
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he was locked up in a Utah jail and he was being charged with the abduction uh and the attack that he did on Carol
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Donan this was the woman that he pretend to pretended to be a police officer told
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her that her car was broken into at the shopping mall and he needed her to go back to the police department with him
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so that he could take a statement and maybe she could identify uh the person that that supposedly broke into her car
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nobody broke into her car this is just Bundy being Bundy with one of his uh multiple roses that he would use to get
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somebody into his vehicle right um and one thing we got to think about here when we talk about these type of people
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okay what kind of people are you serial killers okay um and one thing Psychopaths one thing that goes
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unnoticed a lot or or not so much uh talked about but one thing I was thinking about last night in particular
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with Ted Bundy is that yeah he had his murder rape kit that he would keep in his vehicle that would travel around
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with him and this was you know we talked about those things that were found when
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he was arrested these were things like an ice pick and a ski mask and gloves and uh sometimes he would have a crowbar
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in there I think actually all the time he had a crowbar in there that seemed to be his kind of go-to um The Ice Pick I
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don't really I always wondered why he had that ice pick uh I don't know if he was going to let's say graduate to a
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different form of killing because typically what he would do is is hit people over the head with the Crowbar so
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that he could gain control of them but he didn't kill them in that manner he he was a Strangler uh he would strangle
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these women uh usually what he would do is hit them over the head with the Crowbar he's got control of them he
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would rape them and then he would rape them again as he was killing them as he was strangling them mhm and um sometimes
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he would even rape them again after they had they had died now uh the thing with
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the ice pi is you know people you see this when you talk about Ted Bundy you can look up anything on Ted Bundy and
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and pictures and you're going to see pictures of this ice pick but I think the ice pick was actually something that
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he thought he would use to gain access to somebody's home I think it was more of a burglar type tool that he was going
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to break in with the ice pick to house if he needed to um well with dmer for example like D's apartment was they used
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that as you know uh here's this crazy psychopath and we need to study him after the fact in Ted Bunny's case it
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seems like it's his uh car you know that his car is the equivalent of the the apartment you're exactly right and
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that's one thing I was trying to touch on here with with Bundy and with multiple serial killers you see this
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time and time again the vehicle is as much of a killing tool as that rape and and murder kit or or the apartment
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exactly it's it's another tool and I'm sure that that uh dmer outfitted his apartment in a way that would make
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killing easier for him or or holding them captive easier for him just as Bundy did with his
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vehicle he used his vehicle as a trolling device I mean Bundy was driving all the time he drove constantly you
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know we talk about he was living in Utah and he was driving all the way to Colorado to find victims But Not only
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was he driving all the time he was outfitting his car he was unscrewing the passenger seat why would he do that well
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because if he had to throw a body in there it would be low the body would be down inside and it wouldn't be visible
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to people that he was passing by yeah or the handle the passenger handle wasn't there was no handle so he removed the
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handle so if you're trying to get away from him you you're less likely to be able to do so one one of the things that
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I found creepiest about you know as far as like serial killer goes and fascination with different Killers um
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but bu wouldn't be on my top of the list like you know before we actually started
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diving into him uh one of the things that I thought was so disturbing uh is how he would like put
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makeup on some of the victims after they're dead he's like revisiting their um the spot where they
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died and sometimes and and this is just speculation I don't think they have any proof of this other than there's now
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makeup on this body that shouldn't have makeup on it almost like somebody went back and redid their makeup yeah well
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what he was doing and and a lot of people have speculated that Bundy was a a necropile well yes he he had sex with
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dead corpses and so he was you know I'm sorry if you're listening to this your morning commute and we just said that
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Bundy had sex with dead corpses but he was having sex with dead corpses I don't I he he was in every sense of the word a
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necrophiliac however there are some killers that their whole reason for killing is to have sex with the dead
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body that I don't think was the situation with Ted Bundy I think his his thing that he was after was the rape
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while committing the murder I think that was his big thing the with the whole necrofilia thing for him I think that
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that was just it was kind of a way to slow him from killing somebody else you know he could go back and and mentally
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revisit that victim and revisit his crime rather because it easy do now the thing with you said
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Bundy you know wouldn't have been at the top of your list but I'm sure he's moved
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significantly up there since we we started looking at him but the one thing that for me he he has been on the top of
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my list forever and and the the reason being is that he was so unique especially for the time uh and he was
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such a problem for the investigators he was doing things at the time that that you might see serial killers do uh more
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recently but he knew to that that it was to his advantage to commit different crimes in different jurisdictions he
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knew that the police didn't really talk to one another and that they would have a problem linking these crimes and I but
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I think that's where primarily Bundy um where serial killers get this idea of when when
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people are profiling a killer they start saying all above uh above level intelligence and I think it's coming
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from Ted Bundy uh look at like somebody like Ed Gan or somebody like that you're
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not going to see above level intelligence and and I think so but I don't want to glorify it I don't want to
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glamorize him I mean this guy was a complete psychopath uh and and more so and and that's what
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was fascinating to me when looking into him is just how sick of a person he was it climbed on the list not that I admire
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the guy in any sense of the term but just when you think of somebody like Ed Gan for example oh man this guy's
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horrific this is disgusting Bundy was above that head and shoulders above that oh yeah big time I mean and but the the
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other thing too that made him so dangerous was his modus operandi he did not he didn't have a specific one um you
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know where you'll see some Killers where you know like a long haul killer they they their modus up Arend eyes pretty
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much the same time and time again all you know I just need to pick up this uh working girl from a truck stop and she's
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in my truck and now she's mine she's she's she's dead and where with Bundy he didn't have a typical way of finding his
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victims he would adapt to the situation you know we've seen we didn't talk about
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all of his crimes but just kind of a quick overview you know he didn't he didn't just pick up women that he would
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trick into getting into his car no there were more than one occasion where he would break into a house and he would he
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would obtain the victim there he would steal them from their home and we saw one situation where the girl was living
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with four other people I mean how risky is that he breaks into a home he could have been seen by any of those other
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four people or fought off um and instead he he knocks her unconscious and he takes her with him you know and what
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else did he do he would also just pick up random hitchhikers you know just he would see an opportunity and he would
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seize the moment yeah that's that's what's kind of strange here is you know he's not an opport opportunist killer
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all the time sometimes he's creating that opportunity it's it's it's really fascinating I mean he's a and then what
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we're going to be talking about today is you know the the the escapes and the and
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the trials I mean that's just a whole another level of of this madness that is Ted Bundy and the other thing about his
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vehicle being his killing tool is think about that we talked about the seat the passenger seat that he would unscrew
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from the floorboards and and you know he would sometimes he would have the seat in sometimes he would have the seat out
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well that whole thing you could kind of figure out what he's doing there because
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he needed to remove the seat to hide the bodies as he was transporting them right
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but at other times he needed the seat to be there why because if I slow down to pick up a hitchhiker and I have no
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passenger seat well she's not getting in my car right you know so this is a it was definitely his vehicle the VW Bug
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was definitely his number one killing tool in my opinion uh as well as a crowbar and we talked about this a
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little bit yesterday uh you know just between me and you and I thought it was an interesting tidbit to bring up on the
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show did he have some Advantage by having a VW VW Bug was there any advantage there you
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know like um did did women feel less uh threatened by this more you know more of
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a kind of a I mean it's more of a college student car and and you'll hear when when people talk about the the
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people that came forward and said oh yeah I was in his vehicle and I just thought and one of her lines was well
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it's here's this college kid and this is just a college car there there probably
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was some Advantage like you said if he was driving a giant monster truck with giant tires uh you know maybe that
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wouldn't let these women's guard down as much I I agree yeah I mean exactly if he
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had a monster truck or if he had a white van you know the the typ typical creepy
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white van white Bronco yeah that I I don't think as many women would have gotten his car but his thing his victim
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that he wanted his victimology was attractive college age women and uh you know they see this somewhat you know
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good-look man who's well spoken and he's driving the typical college boy car um and it he had better Grammer than we did
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I'm sure that he did um so where we left off was Bundy is in jail in Utah he's being charged with the Abduction of
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Carol D and for that he is pretty easily convicted because she can look right at
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him and go uh yes judge and jury uh that's the guy that that tricked me into his car and tried to kill me right um
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now he's he gets a sentence it's a 1 to 15-year sentence uh so you know with good behavior he's going to get out in
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one year's time now during the process of this that's just because it's a single attack yeah they they're not
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linking it to everything else and here's where the links start to happen there is
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a detective his name is Jerry Thompson he remember the uh a similar suspect that was
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described from um a a few different cases that was going on and now remember we had said that there were gas receipts
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that were found in Bundy's vehicle when he was arrested now these gas receipts would put him in areas uh and at the
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same time of other killings that were going on so while he's sitting there with his one year to go uh he is
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extradited to the state of Colorado because they have now linked him to one of the murders in Colorado at the same
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time the police were searching Bundy's apartment after he was arrested and he after he was convicted and during this
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time they found other things too they found a guide to the Colorado ski resort uh this was the Wildwood Inn now
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remember this is where uh a young woman 23-year-old Karen Campbell was she she was a nurse from Michigan but she was on
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vacation with her boyfriend and she V from uh the hotel there and this is at the ski resort while on a ski trip and
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so they with with the gas receipts and with this uh Guide to the ski resort they're able to put Ted Bundy at that
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place and know that he might have had you know might have been the one that killed or took Karen Campbell uh the
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other situation that's going on too is they found a brochure this was an advertisement for the the vont high
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school play now this is where uh Debbie Kent had disappeared this is where he was seen in the parking lot going up to
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different students and trying to get them in his car so Bundy's been extradited to Colorado where he's going
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to be charged with the death of Karen Campbell now during this situation he he's in jail there right but he's also
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assisting in his own defense and part of that he Bundy is ever so the con man he's always conning he's always scheming
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that's what makes him so dangerous and he's always manipulating every situation and he has told the judge he said you
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know what since I'm working on my defense since I'm assisting in my own defense I need to have access and be
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treated a little differently than you would treat your typical murder suspect right he's saying you know I can't be
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Shackled because I need I need to be working and I need to be studying and working on my own defense and on on top
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of that he needs access to uh you know the library where he can do do research so so not only is he not Shackled and
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arguably arguably one of the D most dangerous men of all time in my opinion he's not Shackled he's manipulated his
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way into the library now he's in the library well dangerous but mainly to women I mean yeah I mean not saying that
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he's above killing a man but he you know his motivations to me aren't just kill willy-nilly
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but he he has access to this Library this library is part of the courthouse in part of the jail so it it's on the
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second floor they hold court on the first floor and on the second floor was the library I believe nowadays it's
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actually a it's another Court um but he's up in the library and he's working and he's doing his studying he's
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probably not really studying he's scheming the whole time this is Ted Bundy now he uses the you know how the
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standing bookshelves they create aisles with those standing bookshelves well he used one of those to kind of uh hide
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what he was doing but they had an open window they would leave the window open on the second floor to get you know cool
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air into the to the building uh so nobody can see what he's doing but he basically jumps out of the Second Story
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window and this is this is not like a 8ot drop you know this is a pretty a pretty big drop uh I would speculate
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that most people would break an ankle or a leg jumping out of that uh window I've
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seen pictures of it on the Internet it's not a jump that I would make but he he makes the jump and Bundy's a weird dude
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man he he he gets lucky not only is he scheming but he gets he gets lucky from time to time much to uh much to our
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dismay right but he should have broken in his ankle when he jumped out of that window he did not he he did severely
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strain sprain his leg um and they would see evidence of that later but we somebody spots him and says well
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somebody just jumped out of that window right you know and so they go in and they tell uh they tell the the the
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people in charge you know somebody just jumped out of your second story window and their first thought is oh uh who who
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has access to that Bund oh God I hope it's not Bundy and sure enough it is Bundy it doesn't get any weirder than
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this I mean truth you know truth is always stranger than fiction right and this is like a horror flick you know
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like at the end of the movie when they're they're sitting in Thea in the canoe and or the the boat on the lake
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and you think everything's safe and then Jason Vorhees just jumps out of the water all of a sudden that's this moment
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you know we have this guy that is he's been charged and convicted of an a serious attack on car Carol DCH in a
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neighboring state now he's in Colorado having been charged with the murder of Karen Campbell and he's suspected in the
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death of the 17-year-old but not been charged yet and he's just jumped out of a second story window and he's on the
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loose I mean it doesn't get any more terrifying than this well this is more like when Mike Myers breaks out of the
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Looney Bin you're exactly it's more like that part but anyways let's get back we'll go back into Bundy right after
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2023 and we're back cheers everybody cheers so where we left off now Ted Bundy has he's escaped from the
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courthouse right M and he's jumped out of this window and somehow he did not break an ankle didn't break his leg but
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remember there was that person that came in and notified them very quickly that hey somebody some dude just jumped out
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your window right um so what happens here is he actually they they set up roadblocks because they need to get this
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guy as quick as they can and he sneaks past one of those roadblocks he's on foot but what he did was he he shed his
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clothes as soon as he jumped out of the window so not only this is where we know
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that he was planning to escape that day he didn't just get lucky and happen stance he's like oh the window's open
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I'm going for it well yeah but like we said said he's he's you know not only is he a psychopathic murderer he's a con
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artist as well and whatever Garb he was given to wear uh being in jail he underneath of that he had regular
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looking clothes so after he jumps out of the window he sheds these uh the the the
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jail Garb or whatever it is and he's in regular looking clothes and he sneaks past the roadblock well he heads up into
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the uh Aspen Mountain well now Bundy is as clever as he is and as much as a con man and manipulator as he is he he's you
00:31:33
know he can manipulate a jail system or a prison system but he can't really manipulate the the Wilderness right
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Mother Nature yeah so he he's up there and he's trying to survive as he's eluding capture and some of the things
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he does while he's up there he's breaking into cabins that have nobody in it and uh he's stealing you know clothes
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and food and uh I think he even took a rifle from one of the cabins you know he's looking he's become a survival list
00:32:03
let's say right he's he's out on the Run uh he's only loose for about six days and they end up capturing him and he
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looks you can find pictures of him on the internet from when he got back from uh from his little uh trip up in the
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Aspen Mountain but he looks like like he aged 10 years during that six days so he's back in jail and now they they will
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transfer him to another jail um and this is supposed to be you know there's more
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security at the Garfield um prison now so they warn him they warn the prison they're like okay look this guy he's he
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didn't just we don't think he just killed this Karen Campbell we think he's killed all kinds of women and if he gets
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out he is going to try to escape that's who he is right we we've seen seen this already yeah and so he's going to try to
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escape and if he gets out he's going to kill as many women as he can that's just
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in his nature that's what he does he's an evil guy mhm now but Ted being Ted you know he he's he talks to the guards
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you know he talks to the administrators there and he you know he he has a way of
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talking to people and befriending people so they kind of let their guard down yeah and one of the things that you see
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in this video uh some of the clips is there's a man walking Ted in and Ted is handcuffed and you can tell that
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whoever's respon I don't know if this guy's a lawyer or if he's a police officer or whatever he is but you can
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see him and Ted joking and laughing at each other while they walk into the courtroom and and we're also looking at
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this all hindsight so you have this guy that as far as you know major offenses he tried to attack somebody and now we
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think he's responsible for this murder we don't have all this evidence we don't have all this proof we don't have all
00:34:06
the confessions that Ted gave so him being such a Charming guy I bet a lot of these prison guards just thought nah
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this guy probably didn't do it mhm you know so it you know and with him being so charming and almost so
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normal you know I could see why people would be like well maybe he didn't do this at at the time well you got to keep
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in mind too who are we dealing with and I don't think the authorities knew exactly who they were dealing with yeah
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he was a law student but he was going into law with he wanted to be a politician and you know that's usually
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the way you come up and he wasn't going into law necessarily to practice law I believe he wanted to be a politician and
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if you follow his younger life especially when he was at U University of Washington
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he's taking part in the Republican party you know he's he's doing things he so traditionally what are politicians
00:35:05
they're people that are good at speaking and good at talking and communicating with other people lying you know yeah
00:35:10
and so this is who he is I mean and we talked about he worked at that crisis hotline this is a guy that liked to talk
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to people and uh and again it lets their guard down well I do have to fault this
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uh I do have to fault the people that worked at this jail because they were warned okay now and think about this too
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and this is the second jail on behind the eyes between behind his you know he's he's a some people have said he's a
00:35:39
good-look man maybe he's an average looking man I don't know but behind this regularl looking dude who who is
00:35:47
outgoing and who is happy to speak with people and communicate with it he's Charming behind those eyes inside he
00:35:55
looks like Frankenstein you know he looks like Frankenstein's monster and he he is an absolute monster he's one of
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the worst of the worst now if you could see him if he looked like Frankenstein's
00:36:07
monster they would have housed him in a much different way and they didn't as you said they didn't fully know what
00:36:13
they were dealing with but they were warned and they let their guard down and this is on them you know and actually
00:36:21
things that would take place later this I put that a lot of that on them now they put him in the cell okay and at the
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on the ceiling there was a light fixture now this light fixture should have been
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welded to the ceiling that that would be the typical thing in most cells this one
00:36:39
was not and actually the uh the jail house they talked about you know they looked at the light fixture before they
00:36:46
put Ted Bundy in that cell and they thought eh no it doesn't need to be fixed there's no way that he can get up
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there and furthermore some of the other inmates start coming to the administrators and to the warden and to
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the the correction officers and they're saying you know at night when we're in lying in bed we can hear somebody up in
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the up in the rafters up in the ceiling moving around at night yeah uh and we're
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pretty sure it's it's Mr Theodore Bundy over there yeah I mean cuz it it wasn't happening before this guy shows up and
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now he's here and we hear this wrestling at night well and what he did was he was getting
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money okay uh again everything going Ted's way he was getting money because there were people back in Washington and
00:37:37
people in Utah that were friends of his and they thought he was innocent there was actually not a whole lot of evidence
00:37:45
in this this murder trial mhm uh and he's he's working with his attorneys he's assisting in his own defense and
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actually things are going his way in the court you know other than having the brochure I'm sorry for other than having
00:38:00
the map uh regarding the ski lodge there's no real evidence other than the gas receipt and this and this map to the
00:38:08
ski lodge well and this is before that I mean they had DNA but this is you know I'm sure that if DNA was uh more
00:38:17
important back then they probably would have some DNA in this case well maybe not because you got to keep in mind that
00:38:23
this uh Campbell lady um at at this point she she had vanished you know they they don't know where she is um all
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right so no body correct and the way that this attack went down you know she is she's a nurse and she her boyfriend
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is a doctor where she works and he's older he's divorced and he has some children and they're on vacation
00:38:49
together at this ski lodge and there's a heated pool outside and um they were down poolside and she decided to return
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to the room to get a magazine or get something to read well she goes up to get her book or magazine and she's never
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seen again he he snatched her somewhere between her walking from the pool up to the room MH so again not a lot of
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evidence and things are going his way in the courtroom he he this case might have
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gotten thrown out he may have gotten a quiddle on this case because they were what evidence they did have he was
00:39:24
starting to get it thrown out of the tri and so pretty much circumstantial evidence he right and he wasn't the main
00:39:30
lawyer in this case he's just assisting right but I mean he was a intellectual guy and and knew the system so I mean I
00:39:38
I wonder how much uh he had influence over what was happening in the courtroom that I don't know but uh he as I said he
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was getting money from his friends from Washington and from Utah to assist with his defense you know to to pay for
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whatever it is that he needs to to uh get his acle he had accumulated just over $700 yeah and like we talked about in
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the previous episode I mean he worked Not only was he you know a law student but he worked uh with the Republican
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party and and by having those connections he had people with power and money well and $700 back then I don't I
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can't I don't know the math on it but I'm guessing it would be about over you know $2,000 or more than $2,000 today
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yeah which is not a bad chunk of change if you're in jail and somehow he he gets
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a uh now keep in mind this is this is a jail so we have we do have a lot of nonviolent offenders that are serving
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time there um and so they have different privileges I'm sure that they have some
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kind of workhouse or they're you know as we talked about in the uh Texas 7 you know the sometimes people work uh as
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custodians or or repair men inside the jail itself self somehow Ted Bundy gets a hold of a
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saw um so not only does he have this light fixture that's not properly installed in his cell he accumulates a
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saw he has over $700 cash on him now this is on New Year's Eve so not only is their guard down because they might like
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the guy but you know they're probably not working as hard as they should be on New Year's
00:41:22
Eve and maybe less officers on duty well you know one thing that was interesting
00:41:28
that he was doing that they figured out was with the saw because You' think that
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would create a lot of noise right he would wait till the other inmates were showering because that generates a lot
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of noise and that's when he would be cutting and doing you know tearing things apart to create this Escape Route
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through the the light fixture um so what he does on New Year's Eve is he's got books and he's got his files for his
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trial in his cell with him so he can be working on these things when he needs to
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mhm he puts those he kind of piles them up in his bed and puts the covers over top of it to look like somebody's
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sleeping in the bed right right climbs up into the light fixture into the the ceiling and now he's running around in
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the ceiling and he drops down into they had like a an apartment that was attached to the building and this is
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where one of the higher level uh uh employees would live and they happen to be out on a date because it's uh it's
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new yeah that's a night that you want to go out you want to take your girl out yeah
00:42:29
you want to get the midnight kiss right so he drops down into this apartment and
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he's able to obtain all of that employees civilian clothes so he he sneaks out of there and
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they just so happen to fit him yeah well I don't know but it's Bundy things seem
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to go his way he couldn't like they couldn't like have a husky guy like a really husky guy like a 400 pounder
00:42:55
right um so he's now wearing civilian clothes he has money and he's he gets out and what
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is he do he buys a plane ticket and he flies to Chicago now this is going to be this whole Adventure here this is going
00:43:12
to be you know uh uh Planes Trains and Automobiles for Mr Bundy because he ends up in Chicago where in Chicago he takes
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a train to Michigan in Michigan he steals a car now I read his account on his car thievery he was not a great car
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theft but he said back in the 70s you know a lot of people would just leave their keys in the car you know and they
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didn't lock their doors so different times back then he would just find a a you know a regular street with a lot of
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cars parked on it and just walk up to each one checking the door handles if it's unlocked he would get in look for a
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key and he finds an unlocked door to a car and it finds the keys I don't know if it was underneath the seat or up in
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the uh the visor but he you know he drives this car down to Atlanta and then he takes a a bus he wanted to go to
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Florida he had this planned out he wanted to go to Florida why because think about his
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victimology he likes College age attractive women that's that's his victims that's what he's looking for he
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was probably looking for something close to the water you know where there's it's
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no secret there's good-look Ladies by the water and there's plenty of colleges in every state but there's plenty of
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colleges in Florida he doesn't get anything by the water but he ends up in Tallahassee Florida now he he moves into
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a like a boarding house right uh on the campus for Florida State University and he's posing as a grad student because by
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this time he would have been he would have been in his 30s in his early 30s by this time so he's not of the exact
00:44:54
College age but he's posing as a grad student and he's going by the name of Chris Hayden Chris Hagen I'm sorry is
00:45:01
this when he grew out a beard I you know I'm not certain because if you look if you if you follow the trail of Ted
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Bundy and you'll look at him throughout the years you know whether he be in Washington Utah Colorado Florida you
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know he's he's in front of the camera a lot because he's arrested a lot he escapes a lot uh he's on several trials
00:45:23
um but he is ever changing his appearance you know this was another thing that he did this is you know the
00:45:28
the The Mastermind in quotes uh serial killer he's always changing his appearance you will see pictures of him
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where he appears to be a little heavier than other times you know and he might wear big bulky sweaters uh he has a
00:45:42
beard at times he's clean shaven at other times yeah sometimes he has a mustache yeah he has long hair sometimes
00:45:47
other times he has very short hair um but he finds himself down in Florida State uh in
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Tallahassee and he is going to this is in uh early 1978 uh this is actually January 14th he
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is only been there for about two weeks now he gets he gets to Florida State and on the night of January 14th
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he's going to go out and look for victims he said he said many years later that his intention was to go to Florida
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and assume uh an identity and become a regular guy work a regular job and not commit any more crimes and he was just
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going to live a regular life MH I don't believe that for a second because on the
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night of January 14th he goes to it's like hold on I mean that could have been his intent and then he gets down there
00:46:41
couple days right and then you have these urges and then you just are what you are I mean he he is just you know a
00:46:49
devil and man form you're exactly right and and on the night of January 14th he goes to a dance club it's like a disco
00:46:56
Tech and he's trying to pick up young college age women at this at this club well he's not the Bundy of old you know
00:47:04
he can't he can't do what he once did they these women didn't find him Charming at all they said they they well
00:47:12
I I feel his pain they said that he he was extremely creepy he was his his eyes scared a lot of them his appearance
00:47:21
scared a lot of them he had these uh you know blue eyes but and and in some ways they they are
00:47:29
like you know it's a pretty blue color if you watch the interviews but man as pretty of a blue as it is there's a
00:47:38
super creep Factor when you look into them well I've heard some investigators and some detectives and FBI agents say
00:47:45
that you know I they say they can spot these type of monsters and they say that the giveaway is in the eyes now I've
00:47:53
looked at more pictures of serial killers than most people and nine times nine times out of 10 I can't see it uh
00:48:01
once in a while I can with Bundy there's some pictures out there when you his eyes aren't right you know what I mean
00:48:07
in some pictures you you can just see it well and if you watch a lot of his interviews especially um one of the
00:48:15
interviews before his death uh he blinks so many times I mean it's like he's blinking three four times more than a
00:48:24
normal person would blink so he's unable to pick anybody up at the at the Disco none of these women will go with him mhm
00:48:33
thank God but what happens is he he has this urge that he has to fill remember I
00:48:39
said earlier this guy is addicted to what he's doing he's addicted to killing he's addicted to raping women he's going
00:48:46
to end up with a victim that night or he's going to end up in jail or dead that's how this guy works right when he
00:48:52
doesn't get anybody at the Disco next door four is a sorority house and this is the kai Omega sorority house now I do
00:49:01
got to point out here that I don't believe that he intended when he left his apartment or his boarding house that
00:49:08
day when he left to go to the Disco I don't think he had any plans of going into the sorority house he clearly
00:49:15
wanted to pick up somebody at the Disco when that didn't work out to his way he started scheming he started planning
00:49:21
well and like I said before I mean he's not just the opportunist killer I mean he he is want like so when he's going to
00:49:27
the Disco Tech he is trying to create the opportunity mhm you know he's trying to lure somebody into his trap when that
00:49:34
doesn't work out now I have to you know I'm now going to go not create the opportunity I'm going to try to find the
00:49:43
opportunity and you heard in the news clip that we played earlier that the killer seemed to have just slipped into
00:49:49
an unlocked door into this Kai Omega sorority house what actually took place was he had gone there there at some
00:49:56
point late that night and he found the door unlocked now Ted being being the criminal that he is well I wonder how
00:50:05
many houses I mean just like when he went to steal cars you know he just keep checking and checking how many houses
00:50:12
did he check that were locked well he went and checked the sorority house and then he decided to wait he wanted to
00:50:19
wait until he thought that most if not all of the girls inside would be asleep this would make his his attack much
00:50:27
easier and well like we talked about before the other attacks he would attack somebody while somebody's sleeping In
00:50:33
the next room so I mean he's done this before yeah he's no stranger to this form of attack he goes around to the
00:50:40
back of the sorority house and he finds a a log um and he he goes into the sorority house and I I don't know how
00:50:48
many uh persons were living how many young ladies were living in there at the time but he the short of it is he
00:50:56
attacks four of them and he probably raped three or four of them while he was in there but it was a frenzy attack he
00:51:04
he went in with that log and he's bashing them over the head while they sleep and he's attacking them basically
00:51:10
room by room in the end out of the four girls attacked he ends up killing two of
00:51:15
them he I believe that he probably thought that all four were dead before he left the
00:51:21
house when he's when he's leaving yeah I I want to assume that who just walk walk
00:51:26
out thinking that oh somebody's going to live after this now here's somebody that
00:51:31
gets lucky as he's leaving there is a young lady that is kind of she is let's say hiding in the shadows she sees him
00:51:42
leave she she's able to make a a description she's able to finger this guy figure out who this guy is because
00:51:50
she sees his face as he's leaving and he's leaving the house with the log in hand he goes down the street like I said
00:51:58
I mean devil in man form and then rather than so this young lady has has she not only Witnesses him leaving
00:52:08
the house but she sees what took place in the house very quickly after he leaves so the police well yeah she sees
00:52:16
the Carnage right exactly and she has notified the authorities so Bundy rather than fleeing the area I mean he's he's
00:52:25
out walking around and can hear sirens mhm and another uh a a gentleman driving a vehicle he spots Bundy he's down the
00:52:34
street and he's still holding this log and I'm sure there's he's covered in blood oh yeah definitely and what does
00:52:41
he do instead of fleeing the area he this is this is how much of a monster he is think about this you know I talked
00:52:47
about him being addicted to killing this is like you know when when you have somebody that that is addicted to smack
00:52:54
all right let's say you're addicted to smack and you decide you're going to go off and you're going to go live
00:52:59
somewhere for 6 months and get clean you know he was addicted to killing and he gets locked up for for quite a bit of
00:53:05
time he can't kill anybody while he's locked up and whether whether or not he actually intended to go live a regular
00:53:11
life he he can't do that this is like the the guy that gets clean and then goes out and binges one night and does
00:53:17
so much so many drugs that they end up dead right he he's able to hold off only so long and now he's going to B Bing
00:53:25
he's going to binge that night and he he attacks Four Women and just blocks away
00:53:30
from the sority house he breaks into another home and he he attacks a woman there uh that that attack is cut short
00:53:39
because I I don't know why he I don't know if the if something uh prevented him from from or if she fended off the
00:53:47
attack killing him all the killing her all the way or if he in this situation as well thought that she was dead as
00:53:53
well he left there and then he goes goes to another home and he has the intention
00:53:58
of doing this again well he he's unable to do so because somebody living this was like one of those doubles you know
00:54:06
and so there's a a neighbor that's sharing a wall well the neighbor that's sharing the wall starts banging and
00:54:13
pounding on on the wall because they must have heard him break break into the house yeah well he is still not
00:54:21
satisfied so what what he does is he masturbates on the bed oh and then he then hold on I just I wasn't ready for
00:54:29
all that okay continue okay then he leaves and he returns to his apartment now some of his neighbors see him that
00:54:37
night and and the people that live um around the area if you if you could see pictures of this everybody lives very
00:54:44
very close and he had actually spoke to plenty plenty of those people in the short time that he was there now that
00:54:50
night when he returns these same people are talking to him and they say he is he's not even like human he doesn't even
00:54:58
seem to be human that's what I said I mean I I I believe the two sides of him you know he's he's very much I mean the
00:55:06
the the mythical not not not The Devil with the horns and all that and you know like horse legs or whatever but but the
00:55:15
devil when we talk about like the Antichrist right and we talk about here's this guy that's going to come to
00:55:20
power and then and they're going to be so charming and they're going to be a great speaker and all these things
00:55:27
that's like the two sides of him the one side of him is here's this standup guy he's sweet he's Charming he's he's a man
00:55:35
on a mission and then the other side of him is pure evil yeah it's very devil-like where you know because
00:55:44
because he was um given these talents of being outspoken being um a Charming individual it let him do his evil Deeds
00:55:58
MH now it again he's in this like they say he looks like he's in a trance and and as you were saying you know this is
00:56:06
like the monster rising to the top of the water you know what I mean he he the monster is come out in him and he can't
00:56:12
suppress this monster that night and even though he's left and he's returned to his apartment he's still in this
00:56:19
frenzy and they say he's incoherent he can barely talk uh he doesn't make any sense
00:56:25
um well and I wonder if he would get into some kind of uh you know murderous Zen State you know the because of the
00:56:35
adrenaline because of the addiction you know if this is if we think that there is some sort of addiction and there's
00:56:43
some sort of high he's getting then what kind of state does that bring him into well it's like what what OJ said right
00:56:51
in the in his book if I did it yeah you know what does he say that well if I would have done it I would have been in
00:56:57
a in a state that you know I wouldn't have known what was going on and I would have felt like I blacked out and when I
00:57:03
come to then I see the result of what has happened um you know almost like you're some murderous zombie or
00:57:09
something temporarily or the wolf man um he he keep on bringing up like The Wolf
00:57:16
Man in uh Frankenstein no he's the devil I mean this is by all I mean this is evil monster well not too long after
00:57:26
this horrible attack at the kai Omega sorority house he attacks um a young girl she's a 12-year-old uh girl and he
00:57:34
he takes her from uh her school this is much like we saw that he did in Utah um and he ends up getting caught right they
00:57:45
they chase him down in pensac Cola Florida and he's apprehended and now he is they they want to question him about
00:57:53
this stuff in Florida because it's all very obvious to them right now right it's very obvious that we got this
00:58:00
horrible dude we had no clue who did this killing at Kai Omega but now we we've apprehended Ted Bundy who's
00:58:07
capable certainly capable of doing these things and then on top of that we have the lady that that saw him leaving that
00:58:13
night she identifies Ted Bundy as the guy that was leaving this we have the other three that were attacked that are
00:58:19
still alive we we I I don't think they were able to identify him I think they were attacked so brutally
00:58:25
that uh possibly or in the dark too well and on top of it I think he hit them when they were sleeping so they they may
00:58:32
have been uh unconscious the entire time hopefully right but we have the lady leaving we got the guy driving his car
00:58:39
we have the other lady being attacked in the double that could have identified him well the other people that
00:58:45
identified him were all the girls that he went up to at the Disco Tech that was right next door to the sorority house
00:58:51
they were like creepy old dude they're like yes that's the guy that was at so so they know he just from those girls
00:58:57
they know he was at least next door and then they he spotted with the with the killing weapon with the log in his hand
00:59:04
coming out of the sorority house by the other girl I mean I'm glad we're covering this case cuz being 35 I mean I
00:59:10
I this I'm clearly too old to go to the Disco Tech that's you would have you would strike out every time so he
00:59:18
decides that he is going to uh represent himself in at his trial for the uh the deaths of the kai Omega girls yeah I say
00:59:29
girls but you know I'm I'm an old dude they're they're young ladies um now I tell you
00:59:36
what I you tell me what I'm going to tell you what you tell me what you anybody listening if you have any extra
00:59:44
time today or later this week Google and find some clips of Ted Bundy representing himself at trial and I tell
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you what I don't want to try to make humor out of such a tragedy and such a horrible situation however there are
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some what I find to be humorous parts of that trial because very humorous yeah he
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he's sitting there at the table I'll give you one story right okay he's sitting at the table and um there's an
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officer that is being um he's up on the stand and he's giving his testimony and now Bundy's going to have the
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opportunity to cross-examine the witness yeah I mean like look just the fact that we know
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hindsight right that he's one of the most notorious hero killers of all time uh he was on his defense before now he's
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escaping you know he uh escaped from jail twice now he created these other murders now he's not on the defense team
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he is the defense yes and he he has people counsel that he's working with and you can see this on some of these
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clips but in this clip in particular he's like he's like leaning back in his chair and he's talking to I guess the
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the people assisting in his defense and he's got one of those long yellow legal pads and he's like kind of making some
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notes on it but he's supposed to already be standing up and cross-examining the witness so the judge has to remind him
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you know but this must have taken place multiple times that that he's just not ready because the the judge doesn't even
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explain to him you need to be ready the judge just simply calls out Bundy right because look he went tow La school but
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he didn't finish and and so yeah you can defend yourself but they're going to treat you like you should know what the
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heck to do and clearly he doesn't know what to do and he thinks he is so smart that he can outsmart the system so he's
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parading around as if he watched a bunch of Matlock series you know like he's walking around like one his [ __ ] don't
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stink and I I was born to do this yeah and he has this very odd thing where he is disassociating himself with the
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murderer so he's Bundy the lawyer in his brain and he's defending Bundy the killer which he clearly doesn't think
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he's the killer no and the Jud the judge just calls out Bundy and then Ted Bundy
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gets up and it's he's going to cross-examine this officer that's just you know told his whole story right and
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so he asked the officer he says you know officer when was the first time that you
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spoke with Theodore Robert Bundy and the officer says well I spoke to you on this date and he says was that at
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this location and the officer says yes it was at this location he says what time did you speak to Theodore Robert
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Bundy and again the officer who's getting pissed off because of the the arrogance of this guy yeah and the odd
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oddness of this of the yeah this crazy situation he says I spoke to you I spoke to you on this date at this location I
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don't remember what time it was I spoke to you not this guy that you keep asking
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and Ted bunny goes well then uh how how do we know what you're saying is true if
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you do if you cannot recall the time that you cannot you there's no record of this uh conversation with Mr Theodore
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Robert Bundy and the officer getting a little heated says again I know I spoke to you at this location yeah and then
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Ted goes no further questions your honor and then he goes and sits down my favorite story of the or my favorite
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thing that I noticed when I was watching the the the footage is he at one point he's making some statement and I maybe
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he's talking to a coper I can't remember who he's he's he's talking to somebody on the stand and you can tell that he's
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just really enjoying himself and he thinks he's winning you can like the as the trial goes on and on
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he has swagger about him in the courtroom yeah but it's like as it goes on and on the Swagger becomes more and
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more like I got got this [ __ ] right so then he's talking to some witness and he
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goes over to the jury you know how lawyers do like I'm going to go approach the jury and and then get them on my
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side and he approaches them and he kind of leans towards them and and and the defense at this point uh or the
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prosecution at this point actually thinks we don't know what the read on the jury is that they thought this guy
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is very charming and very intelligent at least in the courtroom and maybe the jury's buying this stuff well when he
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leaned towards the jury all the jury members leaned away from him and I think you even hear one of them kind of gasp
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like oh we didn't realize we were going to get that close to him right right yeah we understand that he's the lawyer
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but he's the killer so I think they knew at that moment no the jury is afraid of
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him and and probably based off that fear he'd be found guilty yeah and you're exactly right that
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you you do not have a good defense if the jury itself is afraid of you you know um and it didn't take long to
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convict him uh the trial might have been longer than it needed to be but on July
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24th 1979 they deliberated the jury deliberated for less than 7even hours before convicting him of two murders in
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the kai Omega attack and including uh three counts of attempted first-degree murder for the other victims as well um
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this at at the trial the judge uh he does impose death sentences for the murder convictions M and this is
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happening in Florida so uh they don't dilly dally around they're not going to wait 30 years to try to kill you yeah
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and you know what there is a strange situation regarding the Bundy case itself um there I read this
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um it and I I think it might just be a rumor so I'm not going to say where I read it uh but there's a statement that
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that when Bundy was working with his Council in the state of Colorado when he was going through that trial before he
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escaped the second time and made it all the way to Florida that during the course of working with his Council he
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had asked the attorney you know what state are they most likely to put you to death for murder and the attorney had
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told him probably Georgia no no wait Florida Florida seems you know they seem to execute people faster there um and
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you know nowadays we know it is Texas um you know that executes people the fastest but back then it may have been
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Florida and you know if if that is true that he asked the attorney that and then
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he then he went to Florida do you think he think he had a death wish do you think he had a some kind of you know
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there's something to that yeah I wonder if like I said I mean there's kind of two sides of him
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and maybe on some level you know he realized look I'm I'm not I can't stop well I there was another serial killer
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um and he's been put to death since this but uh I heard him say in an interview that he was trying to speed up the
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course of the death sentence he wanted to be executed as fast as possible and his explanation for this was I kill
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people that's what I I absolutely love and enjoy killing people and if I ever get out I'm going to kill a whole buch
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of people and he doesn't even think it's wrong in his opinion killing people is not wrong the seral killer right and he
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says but I'm locked up and I'm in prison and I can't kill anybody in here so I don't want to be on this planet any
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longer right and you know what this particular killer did was he act he actually killed somebody while he was in
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prison because they wouldn't speed up his his death sentence then yeah let's I'm going to make uh I'm going to make
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myself a real big problem in here and start killing people in prison well and and then you're going to have that on
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your head and you're going to have to get rid of me you're you're exactly right that's exactly what happened
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because the court system come out and they say well you have to go to trial for this other death now and he comes
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back to the prison the the prison administrators and the court system and he says guess what I'm going to you know
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if you're going to delay my death sentence I'm going to keep killing people in prison every chance I get
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until then and all those deaths will be on your head so I don't know if the if the thing with Bundy is absolutely true
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or not but I did find it interesting that he asked about what state would kill him or kill someone the fastest
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yeah I wonder where where he's going through and and once he gets to jail we're going to see him really start
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opening up uh and what his what is his motivation to for talking about these other killings I'm not really for sure
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maybe to to stay off the death penalty for a while I'm not really for sure I can't get into I can't get inside the
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devil's brain but there's so much more to talk about with Bundy and then his involvement in another case and that's
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something I think we should get to tomorrow so how about a recommended reading yeah you know sometimes when we
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do these double episodes for a case I don't always have two books to present um but there's so many bu you don't like
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doing your job that's right slack it off uh but he doesn't like you doesn't want
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you to read and get smart people there's a lot of Ted Bundy books out there and uh there's a lot of good ones and this
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one is one that came out relatively recently this is called I Survived Ted Bundy by Ronda Stapley now who is Rhonda
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Stapley well she was a good innocent Mormon girl and of course Ted Bundy is one of the most notorious Ser serial
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killers of American History while their paths crossed one quiet Autumn afternoon
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and yeah and you'd hear her in our first trailer yeah the first episode of Ted Bundy she's the one that got in the
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vehicle she she missed the bus and she was waiting for the next bus and decided to hitchhike with the and she got into
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the wrong car now this is a situation too where he thought he had successfully killed her um I recommend picking this
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book up it's called I survive Ted Bundy by Ronda Stapley uh another interesting thing with this book too is Anne rule
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did the forward well who is Anne rule well she is the woman she's very famous she's uh God Rest her soul she was one
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of the best True Crime authors of all time uh she passed away I believe two years ago um but she as said one of the
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best True Crime authors of all time she happened to work with Ted Bundy at the crisis hotline yeah she was the lady
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that called in the tip about him exactly so she wrote the forward for this book and I believe that she had a hand in
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getting it published as well so pick up I survived Ted Bundy by Ron to staple you can do that by going to True Crime
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