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[Music] you I just I miss her so much Kim Brown back at the place where her daughter was
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killed 3 months ago today I wish we'd have answers I just can't understand I just can't understand how this could
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have happened Tuesday June 4th around 5:15 in the evening 33-year-old Kate Brown and 40-year-old friend Carnell
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Sledge sitting on this park bench when they were shot in the heads the killer vanished Without a Trace and has not
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been identified we have noide idea who did it we have just no idea and that's upsetting that's horribly upsetting
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because Kate and Carnell aren't here now as a result of this abrupt violent act I
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mean and why Kim says she believes metr Park police and the FBI are doing all they can as they actively investigate it
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does pose new difficulties so with each passing day FBI special agent Vicky Anderson says detectives want to hear
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from anyone who was in the park that day or who has heard anything that may help
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she says it's still unclear if the killer knew the victims the people that were in their circles you know who were
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they talking to um who did they last speak with their family their friends people online that we've run all those
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things uh we continue to work those angles but the stranger possibility still exists the metrop park says police
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have ued Patrols in the area Kate's family putting up signs pleading for tips as they await answers this couldn't
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have happened totally in isolation somebody knows something and I'm hoping somebody will step
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[Music] forward a very special night here in the garage I'm very excited I'm joined here
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with my longtime friend and host my favorite host of The Generation Y podcast Aaron how are you doing this evening man
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I'm doing great because I'm hanging out with you and getting ready to discuss an
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important case there are very few places better to be than in the garage and I welcome you and I'm glad that you are
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here with me this evening yes this is an important case this is a scary case and
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and when I review this case I'm reminded that there simply are cases that I think
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are more more frightening than others and here what we are talking about tonight is a double homicide that takes
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place in broad daylight in a public place so it certainly makes one take pause and really acknowledge that
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unfortunately this terrifying situation could happen to any of us at any time and unfortunately no one is immune to
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being a victim and we can't keep our guard up everywhere all of the time now the story starts off like this it's
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a beautiful Tuesday afternoon at the Rocky River Reservation this is a Metro Park in the Greater Cleveland Ohio area
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we have two good wholesome people who were gunned down that evening now this has become one of the area's most
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infamous unsolved homicide cases and an investigation that truly has no easily identifiable motive or suspect effect it
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happened just after 5:00 p.m. on June 4th 2019 in a parking lot area north of the
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Lorraine Road Bridge in the park according to authorities our victims Carnell Sledge and Kate Brown
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arrived at the parking lot around 5:04 p.m. they arrived separately they got out of their cars and they went and sat
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down together on a nearby bench the two had been friends for more than a decade and from my understanding meeting there
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at this location at the park anyway was not unusual now police say sometime between
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58 and 5:15 p.m. an unknown person or persons shot them Kate Brown's body was found in the water so this park bench is
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right near the Rocky River it's it's directly in front of the Rocky River and her body is found in the water she has
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been shot once in the head Carnell Sledge was found on the ground nearby he had been shot multiple times in the head
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according to authorities just minutes later at 5:18 p.m. two kayakers are in the river they're going Upstream
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Downstream what have you and they find these two bodies and they call 911 immediately now Aaron this is crazy
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because think about that really short brief time frame that we're discussing here the authorities have
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managed to narrow this down to parking in the lot at approximately 5:04 p.m. I do want to State some things here first
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off right off the rip there's not a lot of information not a lot of details that
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have come out about this case from the mouths of law enforcement since this case broke since
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this unfortunate incident back in June of 2019 however online there are multiple
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reports from different Media news outlets and some of these times do vary to a very small degree so I've seen it
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reported that they parked there as early as 5 502 uh this report that I chose to use
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is saying 504 and then we have the kayakers discovering the bodies at 518 I've also
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seen that it reported that the 911 call came in at 522 so we all can agree though that we
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are still talking about a very small window of time from the time that everything was fine everything was
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normal everything was great just another beautiful day in the Greater Cleveland area and then unfortunately these two
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are gunned down in a Metro Park of all places yeah the timing of that it really suggests this is just from my own
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analysis here of course that they were followed that it has that feel do you know what I mean and the other thing the
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other thing that really strikes me here is people often say well I need to meet with someone I'm going to meet with them
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in public because it's safer this is a well-trafficked area yes it is and yet it didn't help this
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situation at all whoever did the shooting was not afraid to do this uh with many people going by a
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well-trafficked area and that is so if you look this up on a map we have Lorraine Road which goes over there's a
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Lorraine bridge that goes over Rocky River they would parked their vehicles in a parking lot that is very near and
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underneath sort of that Lorraine Road bridge and then walked over to this bench sat
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down and the way that the crime goes down the murders go down as explained by law enforcement and the news
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outlets is that it is believed that they were both seated at this park bench when the first shot was
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was fired now what's crazy to me you say well trafficked area this is not just well trffic area we're talking about
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cars going over the bridge this there's multiple Lanes in both directions on this
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bridge cars going over the bridge we have people that are going to the park going to and from the park it's June in
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Ohio that day I believe it was mid 70s around the time that they were killed it was a Tuesday which would give
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you a little bit less traffic that as far as the Park's concerned but there's also the Metro
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Police they're not housed too terribly far away from this location the thing that shocks me here
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and they've done about four press conferences that I could View and listen to throughout the years on this case
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they've opened up every one of those press conferences to questions from the media and the Metro Parks
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police they're Fielding those questions and they don't offer much up in the way of a details about the case or B
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information that they know and I get it it's a catch22 situation you're holding the press
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conference to ask the public for their help and for information from the public so you can solve this case so you can
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get Justice for Kate and Carnell and their families but then on the flip of that you got to
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hold this some information close to your vest and what little information you probably
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have it's it's one of those situations where they have some information that's confirming for them approximately what
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time they Park their cars they have information something that's telling them that they were shot at
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approximately this time now I get it you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out of course they had to be shot
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before 522 or before 518 before the 911 call was placed by the kayakers but I want to know where some of this
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information comes because you talk about heavily trafficked area both cars people
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on foot we even got kayakers we got people walking their dogs in this area people on
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bikes somebody at that time of day given that amount of traffic we have to have some ear Witnesses is what I'm thinking
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here why don't we have those people coming forward because as far as we know there haven't been have there the
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information that I was able to review states that they have received over a hundred tips on this case and that was a
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statement given by the Metro Park Parks police and the FBI I believe in 2020 or 2021 so I would make the assumption that
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they've received some other tips since then I don't you know it's difficult to say without knowing what that
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information is how many of that 100 or so tips were helpful um but that's what they're
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stating to us now I say that you got to have some earwitnesses because just the kayakers alone
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because we're being told that the police believe and have likely have reason to believe if they're this specific about
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the times they're stating that sometime between :8 and 5:15 p.m. an unknown person shot both of them and then by 518
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or 522 the 911 call is placed so is it something just as simple I would think that at the very least
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those two kayakers would be potential ear Witnesses before they stumble upon the this horrific scene and it's
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possible there are ear Witnesses we just haven't been told about who they were and what they
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heard sometimes that information gets out in this case like you're saying the Cleveland metrop Parks police they've
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been very quiet and they're not releasing much one thing we have been told here is that robbery does not seem
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to be a motive and we're basing this off of the idea that Carnell's wallet was still on his
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person Kate's purse was found where they were sitting and cell's laptop was still in
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his car so items of value were not taken from the victims or from their vehicle yeah that tells us something right away
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and when I was reading about this for the first time when I first learned of it from you
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it really struck me as the kind of case where it felt like a targeted attack that's what's very odd about this case
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because we have some statements from law enforcement they were very quick to say
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we have no reason to believe the attacks were random that's one thing they were saying right from Jump
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Street they were stating they believed it was an isolated incident and that the general public or people
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going to the park were not at uh in any danger or at a safety risk now again you want to know what they're
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basing that off of or if they're basing it off of anything at all other than just sheer stat statistics I mean most
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could it be something else Nick you've seen the movie Jaws yes I have and you know that was part of the film film
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where someone gets attacked and killed and they're reassuring all the tourists no it's fine you know don't worry about
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it it won't happen again exactly and that's what I wondered were they basing that off of well the statistics will
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tell us that most homicides the overwhelming majority of them are isolated incidents person a has a beef
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with person B and attacks or kills them that's usually how these things play out
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but that's reasonable isn't it given the timing of this I mean this one of the questions early on was was Kate headed
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towards the river just because she was wandering away for a moment to look out that didn't seem likely because they
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hadn't been there long enough right that's something that might happen if they had been there for 25 30 minutes
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but not if only for what 3 four minutes no she was probably trying to get away I
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agree with you and and your you're exactly right Aaron that's that was the speculation or at least it it wasn't law
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enforcement statements but that was the speculation that was coming out earlier in in this case and in the
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investigation there were people saying that Carnell was seated at the bench and that Kate was up either
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looking into the river maybe skipping a rock or something of that nature Carnell
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is shot and killed and then Kate is shot and killed and falls down the it's it's of course a
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little bit of a a ravine like into the into the river there so this River like like all it fluctuates in depth but it's
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it's rather wide and at the time of the homicides the water was pretty shallow and
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so when you see you can check out news stories online news stories of this case and in the more recent ones the river's
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quite higher at the time and the park bench looks like you're like 2 feet from the water but when this when these
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homicides took place the river was rather low and it's my understanding that she
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fell down into that that space into the dirt just before the water and so unfortunately her body would be
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extremely obvious to those kayakers as they were coming by there are so many questions you can literally come up with
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multiple scenarios of what could have happened uh just because I think she was trying to get away because Carell was
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suddenly shot doesn't mean that's exactly how it happened we don't know I'm just basing it off of the timing of
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everything you also could question if she fell down and would be more exposed to other people perhaps that meant the
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shooter didn't have time to do do anything else and had to leave yeah so one thing that's come in question here
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is the nature of the wounds and we do have some information from the kyoga County Medical Examiner this is Dr Tom
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Gilson Dr Thomas gillson I've personally met Dr gillson on a couple of occasions
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so the nonprofit that I work for the porch light project we have worked hand in hand with the kyoga county Medical
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examiner's Office on a couple of cases this dude is a standup guy you know we we look at these cases you and Justin
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the captain and I we look at these cases a new one every week sometimes they're unsolved cases and when you have a case
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that goes unsolved for a year two three this one coming up on four years now you
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do question the investigation and I think that's fair to do so I mean citizens do why can't podcasters do it
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so I think it's fair to do so I will give my humble garage opinion here on this gentleman if there is a problem
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with this investigation it's not coming from Dr gillson I've as said I've met with him
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several times when you talk about level of give a [ __ ] go ahead and put that at
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a 100 for Dr gillson because he has personally taken out time of his busy work day and and spent time and
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resources from his office to meet with the porch light project on several cases that being of some unidentified persons
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unidentified remains and even a homicide a couple homicide cases so this is somebody that is willing to go the extra
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mile and and meet with with some people that are eager to help and assist in some of these unsolved cases so uh
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coming from his office the reports that I've seen state that cardinell Sledge unfortunately died
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of multiple gunshot wounds To The Head And to be a little more detailed about that most of the reports state two shots
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to the Head Katherine Brown or Kate Brown the reports are that she suffered one gunshot wound which killed her and
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some of the reports state that it was a singular gunshot to the Head yes and so when you and I had spoken about this uh
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about a week ago you thought that that told you something that Kate was shot once while
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Carnell was shot at least twice yes I did and I the thing was that when we spoke about it I was a little
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unclear about the where on the person they were shot and it sounded to me like if if we
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were talking one gunshot to the female victim and multiple to the male victim my suspicion on that for for a period of
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time anyway was that maybe she was taken out first and then he had an opportunity
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to respond now what we can say is it's obvious that they were attacked from behind now can I say that they didn't
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see the killer approaching them no we can't say that but what we do know is based off of information that's come out
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Carnell was in the seated position or or seated at the bench just before the gunshot started and I think you're
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spoton with your statement there Aon of of the belief of possibly Kate was attempting to to flee you know uh this
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all went down very quickly and I'm basing and backing up what you stated off of some information that I
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discovered recently this is from uh Cleveland news 13 in a statement that says the family
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of the victims said that Kate was shot running for her life so that Carell would have been shot
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while still seated at the park bench and I don't think she was up by the water I
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think she was sitting right right next to him had a split second to react she got up and started to go and it's still
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a shot at relatively close range the momentum carrying her forward and pushing her close to the river falling
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over that that that it's a maybe a few feet bit of a ledge there leading down to the Rocky River yeah so once again I
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think we need to talk a bit more about the timing because one of the things I learned was that this was after 5:00 and
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Carnell wasn't supposed to be at this location at least according to his family he was supposed to be at his
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grandmother's house and no I haven't and Aaron I do want to apologize it was Cleveland 19 news I think I said
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Cleveland 13 there just a second ago this is interesting to me right because given the time period 5 o'l that's the
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time when we think okay you you're just recently off of work uh what is this Meetup here for and
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there there's been a lot of speculation by the public as to what this Meetup or rendevu would be for and law enforcement
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has been pretty clear and the families both families have been very clear these two knew each other they knew each other
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for an extended period of time had known each other for 10 plus years I've even seen statements that it was not uncommon
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for them to meet at this the statements are this location but can we say this very park bench no
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um I think we we should probably gener generalize that a little bit more and simply say it was probably not uncommon
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for them to meet at this park what's interesting to me though is a statement from Kate's family that said that she
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frequented the park uh with other people as well so that would lead me to believe
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possibly this was a location of her choosing right so if we put that together with again this is just
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speculation but if Carnell was supposed to be over at his grandmother's place and people were trying to reach out to
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him asking where he was why are you not over here this might have been something
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set up not too long prior to when they got there this might have been a last minute thing and that would make you
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greenlight.com slmp [Music] podcast so for those unfamiliar with the case Carell Sledge age 40 when he's killed he
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is an African-American man Kate Brown was age 33 when she was killed and she is a Caucasian woman this has caused
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some to speculate could this be a hate crime or or something that is race related or or or a racist
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motivation because I think what's weird about this case to me it feels like while we have very few
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details and limited information I look at this thing and from from the first couple of weeks till where we sit today
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I still feel like we're talking about only a few scenarios that are that are likely here that if it was somebody on
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foot or on bike or some random person in the park I see it it would have to be some
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kind of racially motivated homicide or some kind of Thrill Kill or if they were targeted as
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we're led to believe by statements from the FBI and the metr parks Police Department then I'm with you given the
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short window they I mean they're only there they're by law enforcement as little as they're telling us the one
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thing they are telling us is they were there for uh let me pull this up right in front of me because I want to make
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sure hit this out of the park they were only there between 52 and at at the at the greatest 502 to
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515 and they're shot and killed or the shorter part of that would be 504 to 508 and they're shot and killed has to
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mean that that one of them were followed there we know that they arrived in in two separate
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vehicles I making a guess here that they were coming from two different locations somebody had to be watching
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one of these individuals and and tracked them there and not only tracked them there
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but went undetected you would think they would had to have gone undetected to cardnell or Kate right it I really
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believe that they arranged to meet there last minute because he didn't inform anyone he was changing his plans uh his
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grandma mother was Audrey Corey and by all accounts that's where he was supposed to be was with her he took good
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care of her this guy was known to be very caring um I mean he worked with special needs kids at Empower Sports and
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it was all about letting anyone play sports you know I when I was younger I would try to play sports and I was
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always the last one picked because I was so scrawny and I wasn't very good at sports but uh you know at his program it
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didn't matter who you were you could play by basketball you know what I mean everybody could participate and so with
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as caring as he was I even his own mother said uh that he was a a loving man he was a God-fearing man he wasn't
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perfect but they were proud of him and and Kate Brown everyone vouches for how wonderful she was these are like you
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said wholesome people longtime friends what would cause them at the last minute to decide to meet at the park like that
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were they just going to meet and talk for a few minutes because maybe Kate had something she wanted to tell him maybe
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she was feeling emotional maybe something happened and she needed to talk to someone he said why don't we
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stop by the park and we can talk about it before I head on to my grandma's house right we don't know what it was uh
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the speculation could take us many places but what we do know is they were good enough friends that if one of them
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said hey could you meet me at the Park I want to talk about some stuff or whatever they would both go to the park
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that wouldn't even be a question right no it wouldn't be a question I don't think so given what we've heard from
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Kate's family that she frequented the park um her father said that it was a place that she would often go to meet
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her mother and what where my inquisitive mind starts to go is well what what would it be that they needed to discuss
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in person and in this setting rather than over the phone or through text and the other thing too given the timeline
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of what we're being told of hey we've narrowed down the time of death to this short little window here we're not
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telling you that we have any eyewitnesses because if we had an eyewitness what we would have is
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a a suspect description and I know what you're about to jump in and say and we can Circle back to that here in a minute
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but but to be Frank here in the early goings of this case and investigation we're not told
00:36:03
that there is any eyewitness right and so to have this very short little time window of approximately seven
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minutes or 10 minutes depending on what timeline you go by of this is when the shots occurred this is when they were
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killed I start to wonder was there some form of communication was there you know a text
00:36:26
sent out by Carell at 507 uh to to a family member to a friend or a cooworker and so they know okay
00:36:35
Carnell was alive and well at 507 because he sent out this text message the the thing is I did not know that he
00:36:43
was supposed to be going to his grandmother's house that evening but what is interesting and what I I think
00:36:50
makes it easy for me to believe that is his grandmother said something so cute and and you knew that they were close
00:36:59
and and he was very close with his parents and close with his grandmother but one of her statements was talking
00:37:07
about her grandson was he loved to eat and I love to cook and she said it with with this beautiful smile and um so it
00:37:15
makes perfect sense that Carnell was on his way to see Grandma that evening uh who knows did he need to be there at
00:37:22
5:30 did he need to be there at 5 we do know one thing I do know based off of some statements uh he was working as a
00:37:31
an audio technician audio visual technician for a company ciss Cresent I'd have yes
00:37:42
Cresent thank you and he a person that he worked with who he interacted with that day the day that he was killed said
00:37:52
we we spoke everything seemed normal he was his happy go-lucky self uh he was always a joy to be around no
00:37:59
different on that day we discussed uh an expense report or something of that nature something very much work
00:38:06
related and that person went on to say Carnell would have left work that day sometime between 4 and 5:00 pm this is
00:38:16
at Crescent digital yes so I you know so he may have gone from work to meet up with Kate
00:38:24
Brown yep that's what we're guessing here right mhm I don't know if knowing why they were meeting would tell us
00:38:33
anything or not because as we know if if someone if someone is targeting you it may have
00:38:41
been someone who didn't understand the relationship that Carnell had with Kate that's just one possibility
00:38:49
right exactly and that I think that is underlined and should be easily understood by everybody and E easily
00:38:56
belied because as soon as these two poor people were killed people that didn't know them that
00:39:03
were reading about this in the newspaper watching it on the news were questioning
00:39:06
what is the relationship between Carnell and Kate and we have family telling us they were friends now does do what I
00:39:16
expect parents out there everywhere to know what type of relationship that their 40-year-old son or 33y old
00:39:24
daughter has with other adults the details and the specifics of those of the of that relationship or
00:39:32
dynamics of that relationship no but again I think that you could have those two theories that we're discussing here
00:39:42
tonight fit based off of what you just said a misunderstanding of what it is their Rel
00:39:51
what their relationship was or the nature of their relationship on this given day yeah I it's one thing to try
00:39:57
and figure out what happened it's another to try and look at the people involved to see if there were any clues
00:40:04
along the way and when I was reading up on Kate it was said that her dad was talking about how she had lost 100
00:40:14
pounds she was exercising regularly doing yoga and he said she was just better than ever mhm better
00:40:24
than ever so at least as as far as the Brown family was con concerned Kate seemed to have everything going her way
00:40:31
everything was looking up because she just was uh you know from what I was reading she had a real zest for life and
00:40:41
she was motivated and then if you look at Carell's life he took great joy in taking taking care of other people
00:40:48
making them feel good so again I don't look at this and think they were up to no good at this
00:40:55
park I just just think I think it's what everyone's saying they were really good
00:40:59
friends they decided to meet at the park for some reason and like I said if I had
00:41:04
to put I don't know a guess on this it would be one of them maybe needed to talk about something and who better to
00:41:11
talk about it with then one of their very best friends a trusted friend a trusted longtime friend you know
00:41:19
and sometimes when you're going through something or sometimes when you're faced
00:41:25
with something the best person to talk to is one of those I I know that I have a couple
00:41:31
buddies that I've had to deliver the hard truth to them once or twice and they've had to deliver the hard truth to
00:41:38
me once or twice throughout the decades that we've known each other and um there's been times where I've had to
00:41:45
tell them they're wrong or tell them to move on from something that's not good for them and they've had to do the same
00:41:52
for me uh there's been other times too where you just say look I'm not I'm not in a sticky situation here nothing's bad
00:42:00
with Nick I just need to talk I need some advice I got to bounce something off of you and those are the people you
00:42:07
go to and I think that's exactly what was probably Happening Here what I think is less likely out of the two scenarios
00:42:16
that I think are the most probable is I would go 1 a and 1B 1B being the racially motivated homicide and look
00:42:29
it's not something that's comfort that that's comfortable to talk about but it happens right it it it has happened and
00:42:38
unfortunately it continues to happen there will always be hateful people in every country
00:42:46
everywhere but we also have people that do kill for the thrill of it I don't think with with given such little
00:42:54
information I don't think it's easy for us to rule out those possibilities I have spoke to some of
00:43:00
the people that are from that area grew up in that area uh and and have lived there for for many years they agree that
00:43:09
that would be the second most likely Theory here that that they would put forward the first being that
00:43:19
somebody as you said uh was either jealous wanted some kind of Revenge or did not understand
00:43:27
the nature of their relationship and for that to be the case I'm with you Aon I think somebody had to
00:43:33
have fallen had to have to follow one of these individuals to the park that day that
00:43:41
evening and then that makes you wonder and take it a step further was the intention to take them both out or was
00:43:49
one of the victims just collateral damage right did they even know there was going to be a second person there or
00:43:57
was this going to be a planned confrontation and that second person threw their plans
00:44:05
arai before we get into the and I'm using air quotes here you can't see me but you can feel it with your air with
00:44:11
your earballs out there people air quotes before we get into the eyewitness Aaron is it okay if I throw
00:44:20
out two of the rumors that were going around I always I always when when there's a case that has so many
00:44:29
open-ended questions as this one does I do like to put my ear to the ground and hear what some of the locals are
00:44:39
saying and I I know that it's a bit of Reckless speculation but in more than one
00:44:47
case where a case has went unsolved for 10 years 8 years and more than one occasion there
00:44:55
has been a local rumor that many were talking about and then later it turns out to be well that's exactly how it
00:45:02
went down um so in this case I don't know if these rumors have reached you I'm I'm obviously proximity
00:45:11
wise quite a bit closer to the case being here in Ohio than than you are in beautiful Kansas City home of the the
00:45:18
greatest quarterback known to man Patrick Mahomes but uh the what I heard from the locals
00:45:26
is one of two possibilities that it was either an ex of Carell's or that Kate had met somebody
00:45:39
via a dating app and either Cardell had offered her some advice or maybe had discovered that
00:45:50
the Suitor or potential Suitor that she was talking to may have have not been who he says he was rumors
00:45:58
there's no way for us to know until uh like you said it could take years and if this thing is solved
00:46:06
perhaps one of those rumors will have been proven to be true I do think it's possible that an ex would be involved
00:46:13
just because they still are in a certain place emotionally that the other person isn't
00:46:21
MH and so uh while they're haunted the other person has moved on on and they don't even know that there's a plot
00:46:29
against them before we get to that eyewitness let's I want to talk about something that that does bother me about
00:46:35
the case and you know what it's weird because we do these cases and sometimes I get accused of
00:46:43
being too much of a blue blood and then go ahead and tune in next week and you go all right well sounds like Nick
00:46:50
doesn't like the police at all I think you look at the yeah I think you have to look at these situations on a a case-by
00:46:56
casee basis and one thing that I try to say and remind people is every one of these cases is
00:47:03
unique none of them fit in any particular size or shape box they're all very unique cases because we're talking
00:47:12
about Unique Individuals victims suspects locations circumstances everything is very unique
00:47:21
with every case same as the people that are investigating the case and just like any career or any Walk of
00:47:29
Life or any work any job out there there are people that are good at their jobs and people that straight up suck at
00:47:35
their jobs and guess what that means there are bad doctors out there there are bad people in law enforcement but
00:47:42
they're also great people in law law enforcement most of them are great most of them are fantastic now I'm not
00:47:48
accusing anybody in this particular case of not being great at their job because
00:47:52
I don't know what information they do or don't have or or maybe there's simply no information out
00:47:58
there but one thing I one thing that always kind of bothers me about these press conferences where us the public we
00:48:05
rely so heavily on what we're being told by the experts and by the authorities but then they're coming back
00:48:12
to us during these press conferences and asking us for help but then when the media starts to raise their hand and ask
00:48:19
questions at the end of your conference and your your answer for everything is well
00:48:27
because this is an ongoing investigation I I can't answer that question or that and you're referencing right now police
00:48:34
chief kathern Dolan yeah she's the one that was uh hosting these media briefings yeah and that that has been
00:48:42
her answer for everything so where all these investigations and cases are unique that answer certainly is not
00:48:51
unique to any case and not unique to this case because that's the answer I've heard every darn time that a question is
00:48:58
asked the thing that drives me nuts is often and John Q public may not know this or may not have put much interest
00:49:11
into it to figure it out but a lot of times these press conferences are led by either a police
00:49:18
chief or in a larger Department you'll have like a public information officer typically that person that's
00:49:28
giving the press conference standing at the podium they've not actually actively
00:49:33
work the investigation themselves that holds true most of the time I can't say that it's true in this
00:49:41
case but I get the vibe that that's what we're getting here Aaron we do it it makes sense that the chief would be the
00:49:48
one to come forward and talk to the public but does the chief have the ability to answer these questions
00:49:56
is she choosing to stand up there and make make a strategic decision as far as her her
00:50:02
investigation goes and says well I can't answer that because it pertains to an investigation or is it I can't answer
00:50:09
that because I don't know the answer to that question and this is my fallback because the question that that
00:50:16
I wanted to hear the most is a very astute reporter says look there's got to be surveillance cameras on this road and
00:50:25
that road and this road how many surveillance cameras are there in this location and were you able
00:50:33
to access them you know what time the victims arrived at the parking lot so you must have some information did you
00:50:41
get that from surveillance footage answer well that pertains to our investigation so I cannot answer that
00:50:51
question somebody followed them there I and and I would be willing to to slap down a Benjamin Franklin right now on
00:50:59
the table and wager that somebody followed one of these people to the park that day and then went in and shot and
00:51:07
killed both of them can we can you pull anything from that surveillance footage have you
00:51:14
checked all of those bases and if so what is that information telling you do you have a car of interest do you have a
00:51:20
vehicle of interest and that's what we're expecting that they know some things that they're just not letting us
00:51:26
know about and we wouldn't know until they make an arrest you had some brilliant information
00:51:33
of Carnell was intending to or was supposed to be going to Grandma's house and either at the last minute may have
00:51:43
changed his plans or this could have just been a brief stop along the way do you have any idea of where Kate
00:51:52
was coming from because we know we do know that that maybe Carnell did not go directly from work to the Metro Park he
00:52:02
may have given that we have a coworker saying he could have left as late as 5:00
00:52:09
pm but that gives us some idea or at least gives us a little bit of detail about his timeline for the day
00:52:18
in question do you know where Kate was coming from do we have any clue on that well real quick with Carell they might
00:52:24
know BAS on interviews done with his co-workers uh what time he actually did leave maybe someone does know what time
00:52:32
he left as for Kate I actually do not know where she was coming from but she may have been at work as
00:52:40
well I would imagine if she because typically when she went to the park they said she exercised at the park a lot mhm
00:52:48
but if she drove there to meet Carell then obviously she wasn't there exercising I could not find where Kate
00:52:56
worked I found some information stating that she worked at a jewelry store for approximately seven years and the way
00:53:05
that it was worded made it sound like she was probably still working there at the time of her death yes and that's
00:53:12
what I assume is that she was still working there because not only did they say where she worked but she said she
00:53:18
considered her co-workers and boss like family correct but if you look take look
00:53:25
at her obituary it seems as though she is the kind of person that is good at making
00:53:33
friends and is a loyal friend they said that and this is in her obituary once she was your friend she
00:53:42
would always be your friend she was very loyal well and something that backs that
00:53:46
up is what we do know her long-term friendship with Carnell if if Carell was coming
00:53:56
from work Aaron what I'm showing here is if he was at the home office uh this would have put him about
00:54:07
a 12mile drive from the home office to where his vehicle was parked so about a 20 minute
00:54:17
drive if that was in fact where he if he came directly from work it would it would appear to me given the statements
00:54:26
of he would have left work between 4: and 5:00 p.m. that only leaves a very short
00:54:31
window of time for him to have stopped elsewhere along the way so that's where this is at right I mean we know that the
00:54:39
metrop Park police have investigated this we know they have had assistance from the
00:54:45
FBI we know that once the shootings occurred that the park was checked for evidence but the only things that they
00:54:55
admitted to finding were several shell casings from a weapon and they didn't seem to really want to comment about the
00:55:02
footage that would have come from the cameras in the area they didn't want to talk about the footage that would have
00:55:08
come from the cameras the shell casings would tell us what because we we don't we don't have information about the gun
00:55:17
that's released to the public we're not told what caliber or if more than one gun was
00:55:24
used we can assume that it was not a revolver that given that they found shell Cas
00:55:32
casings at the scene you had found a report that stated three shell casings that's what I have found in all
00:55:39
my reading it seemed the most consistent bit of information regarding the shooting as far as evidence found were
00:55:46
several shell casings which are three um or you might say a few uh a few shell casings three shell casings found there
00:55:56
but um and that goes along with some of that goes along with some of the reports
00:56:01
that he was shot twice and she sorry that Carnell was shot twice and Kate shot once now right but I recall you saying
00:56:10
you wondered if he was the target yeah and that he would be a witness who needed to be
00:56:17
stopped I I wondered that and I think you could argue both sides of the coin and people put and and dumb people like
00:56:25
me put a lot of psychology into the way that these crimes go down but a lot of people would suggest that that one of
00:56:33
two situations he would have been shot first because he was the Target or you could argue because he's
00:56:42
the man and poses the bigger threat to the shooter that you eliminate the threat
00:56:50
first and then take out the target I would definitely suggest people look up pictures of Carnell
00:57:00
sledge that would give them some idea of why he would have been shot first and that you're correct uh if you're well
00:57:09
when perpetrators shoot people they often try to take out the person who poses the biggest threat to them and I
00:57:16
would say Carell would have posed a threat and keep in mind the way this goes down the way that
00:57:23
we are kind of explain that it went down or the way that we have to put these pieces
00:57:29
together would lead you to believe that they that either he was seated at the bench or they both were seated at the
00:57:35
park bench when the first shot was fired and so if you are the perpetrator or perpetrators and you have the ability
00:57:44
to sneak up behind them you would unfortunately get to choose who you're going to Target first
00:57:57
and as you just said look up pictures of Carnell and and given his background too
00:58:02
I mean he's he's an athletic looking guy he's a guy that looks to be in good physical
00:58:13
condition now I know you're just you're just chopping at the bit right here aren't you Aon you want to get to this
00:58:20
this eyewitness no I mean you've teased it a few times I think we should get to it now because uh
00:58:29
there are definitely people waiting to find out what else is going to happen here because for many people I suspect
00:58:36
this will be the first time they're hearing of this case I'm not saying no one's covered it but I don't think it's
00:58:42
gotten as much press as much coverage as some other cases and I find that to be a
00:58:49
little strange with it being a the nature of the crime itself and I I get it they don't think it's
00:59:00
random they think it was targeted nobody else should be afraid to go to the park I get all that but look I
00:59:10
mean okay then Metro Parks police solved the case prove it and I I'm I'm not going to look I not
00:59:21
going to hold back here Aaron I'm a little concerned that the Metro Park police I I I reviewed something that
00:59:27
stated that the FBI took over the case at some point I don't believe that to be true that looked to be more to me to be
00:59:34
somebody's speculation on a message board somewhere it looks to me like the Metro
00:59:40
Parks police are still the primary investigators on this case and the FBI is assisting them there is a local
00:59:48
office there in Cleveland so that is helpful but the way that I see this going down and from from other cases
00:59:56
that I've reviewed you typically have the primary and then the FBI who says they're assisting it's more of a hey we
01:00:03
check in from time to time and see if they need anything or we sit down and have a meeting every month or every or
01:00:10
quarterly and put our heads together and see what comes about I'm not going to lie and I feel bad saying this on a
01:00:20
microphone where it's being recorded I don't feel great that it's that the primary on this is the
01:00:28
Cleveland Metro the I'm sorry the uh the Metro Parks police the police chief says it herself
01:00:37
there in the in the conference in the first news conference the parks are a very safe
01:00:42
place we've not had a homicide in our Metro Parks for over two decades well I don't know how much
01:00:50
confidence I have in your experience in investigating these matters these very serious
01:00:57
matters now if it were a situation where I was worried about if people are walking their dogs on a leash or off of
01:01:05
a leash I feel very confident that the metrop parks police would straighten that situation out but this is that's
01:01:12
not what we're talking about here so do you want to play garage guy and lead us into this eyewitness and let me
01:01:21
play Generation Y guy or should we remain in our roles well let's just see what I say
01:01:31
so there was a letter that came into the media right and it went to Fox 8 news this
01:01:41
Anonymous letter was sent in and it went into detail about the person who had shot Carnell Sledge and Kate Brown now
01:01:51
they said it was a woman wearing a green hoodie cuffed jeans and black walking shoes and it also said that this woman
01:02:02
had words with Carell before she opened fire so Fox 8 News got this letter they turned it over to the
01:02:13
FBI now this letter came in months after the murders but in May of 2021 that's when Fox 8 released that letter to the
01:02:24
public and the FBI put out a plea saying if you wrote this please come forward we
01:02:30
want to talk with you and they got lucky because within a week a person showed up to talk to the
01:02:38
police about it now once again you're wondering what could we find out because the police have been so tight
01:02:45
lipped so I would say take this with a grain of salt because we don't know what they're doing here because in any
01:02:52
investigation you have to be careful about what you release sometimes they release nothing sometimes
01:02:56
they release a lot but they hold a few things back the spokesperson for the police
01:03:02
said that individual told us it was a premonition that they'd had several times and they felt like it was coming
01:03:09
to them and they needed to report it it was nothing that they had seen yeah and so this got the area in
01:03:18
quite a stir right so when this news broke that they received an anonymous letter and and and in fact the way that
01:03:27
the news broke it almost implied that it was just an eyewitness that came forward
01:03:31
and then then shortly thereafter you learn that it come it came via Anonymous letter they yes did release that letter
01:03:44
and when I reviewed it the first thing that I thought was this doesn't sound like a an
01:03:52
eyewitness and I know you've reviewed these for the Generation Y and cases that you've
01:03:59
reviewed the words and the way that they were describing things and and in particular I'll read one statement that
01:04:07
was in the letter that kind of showed the cards to me that this was coming from a person that believes that they
01:04:15
have psychic abilities it says they ask a question to the investigators now yes this was sent to
01:04:25
the media and not to law enforcement so it says none of my business but none of my business by were sorry I'm reading
01:04:33
their exact words which gets difficult none of my business I believe they're trying to say but were the two talking
01:04:41
marriage meaning Carnell and Kate don't believe this was the motive and correct me if I'm wrong on on any of these
01:04:51
portions here a then they go go on to say I hit a snag I thought I had a name but who said the name wasn't Carnell or
01:05:02
Kate it was a white man sitting on the bench with Sandy brown hair and glasses like Drew Cary he was looking behind the
01:05:11
bench at the woman and he said quote for God's sake Amy put down the gun but the more the woman was talked to
01:05:20
the more agitated and irate she became the I hit a snag was the telling part to me I
01:05:30
thought I had a name you hear that often when psychics are giving their reports you know I'm oh
01:05:40
I'm I thought I was getting a name or I last time I I had this Vision I I saw a name or heard a name and so when
01:05:51
immediately when I saw that I thought I hope this psychic this air quotes witness comes forward to clear up that
01:06:01
they weren't actually there that day but how do people respond to this how does law enforcement respond to this when
01:06:08
someone is coming forward with a lot of information but then it turns out they dreamed it or had a vision of
01:06:18
it it's the whole Oh I thought I was getting a name or I thought I was getting more information than suddenly I
01:06:24
lost it but I do have this much well you want to know why they came forward and so you if you are this person you've
01:06:32
just opened yourself up to investigation and one thing you do have on your side one thing that I would say
01:06:41
you have in your favor as looking less guilty than more guilty would be that you did in fact come forward and say hey
01:06:47
yes it was me I was the person that wrote that letter and no I was not there at the park that day
01:06:55
but I'm just trying to help out and I've been having these dreams or visions or whatever and I can't shake them and I'm
01:07:03
maybe I'm just a good person and I thought I could help out they look like good people I wanted to try to
01:07:09
help there's that possibility there's also the possibility that and I would think that this would be less likely I
01:07:15
would I would think that the person would likely not come forward if they were trying to throw a wrench in the
01:07:21
investigation um but if it was a a a man of color who was responsible then of course somebody would throw out
01:07:30
the idea that well it was this woman that looked like Reba McIntyre uh with a hoodie on uh so yeah it's it's one of
01:07:40
the weird weirder ends of this case or weirder angles anyway of this case and at first I didn't know what to
01:07:52
to make of it and I know that the the news kind of ran with this Anonymous letter for for a portion anyway for
01:07:59
several months well I think they had to right they were wanting to report on this case the police weren't giving them
01:08:06
anything this letter was the only thing really to report on at that point well and the families wanted more attention
01:08:14
to and rightfully so to their loved ones case and I'm thankful to the media Outlets
01:08:23
that were choosing to run the story and remind the the people of this case one thing we should point out too
01:08:30
is there's a considerable award or sorry a considerable reward for money a money reward here in
01:08:41
this case $100,000 my understanding Aaron is that 25,000 of that is being put up by the
01:08:49
Federal Bureau of Investigation and the other 75,000 is from the families yeah I know that at
01:09:00
first the FBI offered a $220,000 reward Crim Stoppers offered $2,500 for information um later of course these
01:09:10
amounts increased including money from uh the families so yeah that's $100,000 so when you have a crime like
01:09:21
this that's so brazen right in full view of the public or you would imagine and this person got away
01:09:29
with it so far $100,000 you would think that would bring forth some more tips someone would
01:09:38
want to claim that if they knew something and what's wild about that anonymous tip and then of course later
01:09:44
we learn that it it's not Anonymous the person comes forward but I remember on the news
01:09:52
reports that they were saying that there were some details that they believe that the
01:09:58
anonymous tipster got correct in in the in their letter and so it held a little bit of weight right it
01:10:05
was holding water a little bit or at least portions of it and so again that's just one of those
01:10:14
I I don't know I I and there are people out there that are shaking their head at
01:10:18
me right now they're like why would you put any um thought why would you waste your time on as soon as you hear that
01:10:24
it's a person saying that they're getting Visions I don't know that I'm betting much on what they're saying but I do
01:10:33
know that there are detectives that I've spoke to that would say nope throw it right
01:10:40
out it's a waste of time there are other detectives that will tell you you know what when you've run out of ideas you're
01:10:46
willing to take phone calls from anyone tell me something that's outside of the box tell me something that I haven't
01:10:57
thought of yet and oh by the way tell me why you think this or do you have any any information to to back that up I
01:11:04
really believe you can't throw everything out can't throw anything out you might take something that came in
01:11:11
and say okay this isn't going to solve the case for us but maybe it's a puzzle piece that you don't know how it fits
01:11:19
into the whole thing but it's a piece so you can't throw it out I think once you
01:11:26
start uh getting tunnel vision in such an open-ended case like this you could definitely make some mistakes you also
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have to wonder as a detective when you look at something like this why did this person have such a strong desire to to
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the point of it becoming a need that they had to reach out communicate this information to somebody
01:11:52
even though it was a news outlet and instead of law enforcement why why do they come forward and it may
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Simply Be they believe that they're psychic it also could be more of an emotional
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response they feel guilty because they know something or they heard something or somebody they know knows
01:12:15
something and that to goes back to this reward money 100,000 is not a reward that is put together for
01:12:28
somebody that was in the park that day that saw something and just decided not to come forward or forgot that they saw
01:12:35
something or heard something or did see something and they're too afraid no in my opinion
01:12:46
$100,000 that reward is put together for somebody who has direct information from
01:12:52
the killer or one of the killers that somebody told somebody somebody made a threat oh you know that
01:13:01
you know that that thing that happened to those people in the Park oh you know I could do that to
01:13:06
you or maybe they were talking about one of those individuals beforehand talking
01:13:11
about how upset they were with them and then they were quiet after the murders exactly exactly I don't think
01:13:19
that whoever did this and I again would bet a Benjamin Franklin right now that it was a targeted attack just as we're
01:13:28
being told I can't figure out who was the target one the other or both but I don't believe for a second
01:13:38
that 10 minutes before this happened this person decided to do this I think this likely was something
01:13:44
that was building and as you said they may have told somebody in advance maybe not that they're planning to go to the
01:13:52
park maybe not that they're planning to take somebody out but that they had a beef with one of these people had a big
01:13:59
problem with either Carnell or with Kate and damn it they were going to do something about
01:14:07
it and so that's what this reward money is for um so if you're out there and you
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hear this stop sitting on your hands come forward you know they have we have multiple law enforcement agencies that
01:14:21
you can reach out to there's all also a dedicated tip line where you can be anonymous so anybody with information
01:14:32
can call the Cleveland Branch the Cleveland FBI Branch at 26522 1400 or you could call that dedicated
01:14:43
metr Parks police tip line at 440 331 5219 is there anything that we missed Aaron
01:14:55
or anything that we did not get to yes definitely for people that want to know how this may have gone down they should
01:15:04
check out an animation put together by Scott rer he did this in 2021 he's a crime scene Reconstructionist with the
01:15:13
evidence room and he used the autopsy report and he also visited the crime scene to put this together so I think
01:15:21
it's helpful to actually see it and um I definitely hope that someone listening maybe can make a difference in
01:15:32
this case because that's why we're covering it we would like for people to think about this case keep it alive
01:15:38
because I would hate to think that Carnell Sledge and Kate Brown died and that their families will not get Justice
01:15:46
Aon I want to thank you for joining me here in the garage it's always a pleasure always a lot of fun um given
01:15:53
the circumstances obviously we're talking about these real life tragedies and the loss of these two great people
01:16:01
and these two families are suffering a lot still and and need the Public's help to to get some form of and some sense of
01:16:11
closure but I do want to thank you for joining me and and taking the time out and I'm hoping we can do it again
01:16:19
absolutely anytime man you just let me know all right take care Aon cheers [Music]
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