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true [Music] crime [Music] [Music] the Great Smoky Mountains are a mountain range Rising along the Tennessee North
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Carolina border in southeastern United States they are a subrange of the Appalachian Mountains and form part of
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the Blue Ridge physiographic Province the range is sometimes called the Smoky Mountains or simply the
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Smokies due to the frequent fog that covers the mountains and which looks like smoke from a distance
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the Smokies are covered with drainages eroded by Creeks with many giant Boulders as well as steep Cliffs cut
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with crevices the landscape also features thickets of trees and vegetation that can trap you if you stray from an
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established Trail the thicket can be so thick that in one case it took over a year to find
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an airplane so you can imagine how difficult it would be be to locate a single person given that type of
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terrain Roaring Rapids especially after Heavy Rain could drown out sounds of Screams or
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crying wild cats black bears and a couple of different poisonous snakes are a rare but dangerous
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site in springtime hungry bears come out of hibernation and they are at their most dangerous as there isn't much food
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but even in the summer they can if provoked attack people with millions of visitors annually it is
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no surprise that some people get lost in the wilderness of the Smokies but they are typically located within 48 Hours by
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dedicated rescue efforts what is surprising is just how many people have come to visit only to
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never be seen again these mountains keep secrets there have been a number of mysterious disappearances and deaths
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that are as bizarre as they are unexpected explained this is one of those [Music]
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[Applause] [Music] stories Friday June 13th 1969 6-year-old Dennis Martin was on his
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first overnight camping trip this was part of a long-standing Martin family tradition of Father's Day outings in the
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smokies with him his 9-year-old brother Doug his father who was a Knoxville architect his name is Bill Martin and
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his grandfather Clyde Martin the group spent the first night in a location called Russell field and they camped
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with Dr Carter Martin of Huntsville Alabama and his two sons Russell field is a grassy clearing in the forest with
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a panoramic view across the Smokies the next day June 14th the group went East on a 90-minute walk to a spot called
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Spence field some quick specifics of Spence field there were two shelters located there now the Appalachian Trail
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runs east and west through spenfield and there were two trails and one Jeep road
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that lead to and from Spence field to other destinations there at approximately 4:30
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p.m. the four boys were playing a game of Hide and Seek in a grassy area of Spence field and they thought it would
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be funny to hide and then sneak up and scare the adults in their group Douglas and the other two boys went South and
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then West little Dennis by himself headed for a spot to the Northwest towards the Appalachian Trail and into
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the forest yeah and he went into the forest but his father saw where he went to hide literally a few minutes later
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the boys jump out of the woods you know in an attempt to scare or startle the adults gotcha however Dennis does not
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jump out of the woods he does not appear and he was nowhere to be seen very shortly after the adults would
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estimate 10 minutes so at approx imately 4:40 p.m. just a few minutes had passed
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without anyone spotting or hearing Dennis his father Bill Martin was calling out to Dennis and looking for
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him obviously Bill Then followed the Appalachian Trail West for about a mile before heading back and then he headed
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west again this time all the way back to Russell field only to return alone to spenfield and there's no sign at all of
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Dennis there was nothing of his that was found during this quick search while the
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boy's father was making his journey the grandfather Clyde made his way back down
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Anthony Creek to Cade's Cove roughly 8 and 1/2 miles and reached the ranger station shortly before 8:30 p.m. this
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was to summon help and at this point it began to rain very heavily with a very nasty storm well every parent will know
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this is your worst nightmare you could be in the grocery store and you turn and your child's not there and it's like
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your heart sinks all the way to bottom of your gut well and I want everybody to kind of picture this okay cuz I think
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it's easy to work through this and I tried to find an exact time that they had left when they woke up that morning
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and took off on that 90-minute walk East I couldn't find an exact time my guess is it would be sometime that morning
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they'd make this walk it's about an hour and a half walk they're there now now at
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this new spot and they've set up camp they've spent the day setting up their Camp right this is the time where we're
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relaxing we're chilling out the kids are playing you know there's no work to do we're just going to hang out and chill
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the kids are playing this hideand-seek game Running In and Out of the Woods running around having a good old time
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now they come up with this idea to kind of prank the the parents but what's weird and one thing that I can't like
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Get over like when we C cases and there's those moments where you wonder if if other people feel guilty about
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something or if somebody second guesses one of their own personal actions for the rest of their lives MH the moment
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for me is this we have four boys three of them decide to hide together in an area and one boy he's only six Dennis is
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only six he's hiding by himself now from what I could find Captain it's seems like Dennis was wearing a we know that
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Dennis was wearing a red shirt and what it seems like is that one or all of the other boys had suggested that Dennis go
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hide by himself because he could be easily spotted with his bright red shirt in that area MH so he's off hiding by
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himself these other three boys are all together they jump out and it's like you know at first it's probably like oh you
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know you got me and then you kind of wait and you wait and wait you know where's Dennis why is he not with you
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guys right and then the boys are saying hey he went over that way and he hid by himself and now dad and Grandpa are out
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walking around calling for Dennis's name you you know how it is you just explained it right there but when you
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call out your child's name when you scream hey Dennis you know you expect him to come running out or at least hear
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him call back to you well and like I said there's multiple reports that say that Dennis's father saw him go into the
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woods kind of watched where he's going to go hide like that's where he's going to go hide and then obviously because
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they're playing a game you you pull your eyes off of him and I guarantee you that
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he sees that image of his son going into the woods over and over and over in his
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mind well and you never think you never would expect to look away just for seconds maybe a minute or two and then
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they're gone right and so let's walk through this because the official search would begin Saturday June 14th at
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approximately 8:30 p.m. this is after the grandfather notifies the park rangers that hey my grandson's missing
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and we've been looking for him me and his father as well as other people and we can't find him and obviously they
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have some things working against them because of the time this took place they didn't have cell phones to make calls I
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don't even know if cell phones would work there now but some way to alert people and stay in the area and have you
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know the dad the grandfather the kids searching why they have help coming to find you know help find this kid so from
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the the start of this search at 8:30 we have three Rangers from Cades Cove that are checking trails to and from Cades
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Cove all the way out to Spence field and anybody that they come across along their way they're going to you know some
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have said interrogate some say question whatever right but any hikers or anybody
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that they pass on these Trails they're going to ask them hey have you seen a boy what have you been doing you know
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where were you at this time so on and so forth and this produces this produces nothing now the other thing we have to
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keep in mind though is there's a heavy rainstorm and when I say heavy rainstorm I mean 2 and a half inches of rain fell
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and this occurred at dark all the streams became very high and turbulent at this time and the three rangers the
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family members of the Martin family they continued to search the immediate area for the rest of the night the results
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were negative not only did they not find Dennis they didn't find any clues to suggest where he could have been where
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he was hiding so the day that Dennis goes missing we have three rangers looking for him plus the family and plus
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I I believe the other uh Martin family is helping search for him as well yes and we also have other people that are
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camping in the area that are assisting the family and the Rangers because that's how this works you know when the
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Rangers come across other campers they're saying hey this is what we're doing we're looking for a little boy
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this is what he was wearing his name is Dennis and can you help us search from the get-go captain we're going to be
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dealing with several what I would call major issues in the investigation and search for this little boy the the first
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being the obvious the the rough terrain as well as the 2 and 1/2 in of rainfall that night yeah this is not help you
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find anybody and it also does not encourage others to join in on the search well these are very thick Woods
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as well so it's not like you can look into the woods and see couple even houses back you're not you're not even
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going to be able to see that far back what we're going to see take place is a massive search effort and the other
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thing that I would say is a major problem in this case is it's it's very important to note that the park itself
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had no detailed search and rescue plan in existence at this time and what I mean by that is those three rangers that
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went out looking and assisting the family and other campers looking for that little boy that night that was as
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much of a plan as they had okay somebody gets lost we send out a few guys we find
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the person it's all over with don't worry about it right they have no plan for a massive search effort so starting
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on day two the the weather is moderate this is Sunday June 15th now we're going to start seeing resources and people
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coming into the area to assist in this search on this day we have nine jeeps and we have three trucks that are used
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to transport Searchers they search Trails the trail search continues and the initial search of drainages begin
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all hikers and campers spotted in the area are questioned a large helicopter was acquired and was used to haul
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equipment for a base camp at Spence field the number of search Personnel on day two was 240 people yeah now we do
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have to note that there were poor conditions on that day and there was also inadequate food and water for the
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Personnel involved yeah nothing pisses me off more when I go on to the woods searching for a missing six-year-old to
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see that crafts and service just really screwed up the spread well there's no sign of Dennis at the end of day two
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okay and more importantly there's no um actually I should say more strangely there's no sign of him there's no clues
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as to what could have happened to him and one and the other difficult thing here is you mentioned the rain and that
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affects things but having 200 and some Searchers that affects other things too because at that point you can't bring in
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like a specialist or a Tracker to dist track the single movements of the six-year-old boy you already screwed up
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the scene by bringing in that many people and sometimes you'll see in cases uh of especially a younger child that
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they bring in a Tracker before they bring in search units right that's interesting that you say that cuz you're
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exactly right you would have what did we say 240 people just kind of uh destroy in the scene right right stomping all
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over the area on day three Monday June 16th the trail and drainage searches continued and an intensive grid search
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of Spence field was conducted several military helicopters arrived to assist the news media arrives on the scene and
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we have 40 Special Forces troops arrive to help as well two blood hounds are brought in and they are used during day
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three right again probably would be more helpful on day one one or two because you have now 200 and some cents that are
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getting in the way of this dog's work yeah after all that rain as well and then we have the Red Cross that
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establishes a food service operation for Searchers at Cades Cove now the total number of people involved in day three
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was 300 including Personnel from the park a local Rescue Squad The Air National Guard and as we said 40 Special
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Forces troops that brings us to day 4 Captain June 17th now this is an interesting day because at this point
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we've had no sign of the little boy however at 2:30 in the afternoon a set of one shoe on and one shoe off prints
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are found at this time so the shoe print was possibly of an Oxford type shoe what
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Dennis was last seen wearing now they followed for 300 ft until they came came to the edge of a branch that feeds Eagle
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Creek in North Carolina Eagle Creek feeds Montana Lake 10 mi from Spencer field even after 3 in of rain having
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fell these tracks were still intact in the mud investigators did not examine the shoeprint finding in detail because
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the area had already been searched the footprints could have been overlooked by previous Searchers because it was
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mentioned repeatedly that there were no Footprints all over from Searchers the person who found the print used a stick
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to measure its size in comparison to an adult print it is noted that there were no small children involved in the search
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at the time so what does this mean this well it means we need to teach you how to say measure well what this does mean
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is that they concluded that it's a child's footprint right that it's a small footprint one shoe is on and one
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shoe is off correct and there are no children involved in the search the weird thing though like we just said is
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they did not investigate this finding because the area had already been searched and they found no Prince they
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believed that they found no Prince when they originally search this area yeah that's strange seems like a misstep
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there 100% And the scary thing for me in this is you say the tracks are leading towards a river they're leading towards
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water yes yeah and then I'd want to know how deep that water was and because if Dennis tried to cross this water Dennis
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could have drowned in the water well what we have here Captain is we have several Creeks that are flowing into
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this Fontana Lake or Fontana Lake so this lake is huge it this is not a small body of water this is a very large lake
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so if if we have this heavy rainfall that occurs now we have these sweeping creeks and streams that have strong
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currents that are leading to this large body of water if he were to have slipped
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fell mudslide any reason to end up in one of those Creeks or streams he very likely could have ended up in the lake
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itself well and we have Footprints going in so we have evidence of possibly him going into the water but we don't have
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any evidence of him leaving the water and then correct and so not only do you have to search the other side but you
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need to figure out how fast this water is moving and if he did get into the water and did get pushed around a little
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bit would he drift down the water a little bit and come out on the other side if he if he could come out on the
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other side the tracks would be somewhere else well keep in mind too we're finding
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these prints on day four the the speed of that Creer stream would have been significantly greater the night that he
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went missing with two and a half inches of rain falling that night yeah I would argue though to find these tracks this
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is probably half happening after it rains mhm because cuz they would be deeper so they wouldn't wash away and it
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would also have to be after some of the rain where maybe there is a little bit of rain but you're talking about a
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six-year-old so these are not going to be very deep Footprints right I get what you're saying he only weighed about 55
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lounds is what is Bel so yeah he's not a big giant man who's leaving huge footprints in the mud or dirt now I did
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find some notes from a meeting that was held on Wednesday June 18th M this was the quote unquote first strategy meeting
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and I found notes from several people involved in that meeting but I just wanted to go through some of the notes
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from the chief Ranger so we all have a good understanding of the search itself the problems that they ran into and his
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his notes say uh first unable to transport men the roads are in bad shape due to heavy rainfall that they needed
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more helicopters the helicopters actually nullified the need for a huge base camp at Spence
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field which they did spend time setting up that huge base camp right waste of time he also noted that the helicopters
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were using jet fuel so they were losing search Time by flying to the base for to
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refuel these helicopters from time to time he also stated that they should be reaching out to North Carolina because
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at some point there's going to have to be a cut off uh for the search that's being conducted on the Tennessee side
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and if you've covered all your ground on that side he may be on the North Carolina side and you need to search
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there he also said that um here was one thing that was was uh didn't make you feel very good okay he said we need a
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reference map to show areas that have been covered each day and daily so we can record areas covered in the effort
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made meaning they they weren't operating with one big map that they're all looking at and saying look on this day
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we searched here from this time to this time nothing found on this day we searched here so forth and so on so
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while we have people at the top trying to organize this search it's also kind of Loosey Goosey it seems like you have
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a lot of people coming into the area trying to help but we don't have a lot of cohesiveness to this actual search
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look this this happened in 19 1969 I think because of the lack of Technology the lack of experience with
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putting together search teams the lack of being able to communicate easily with one another that I believe Dennis would
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have been found within a day or two if it happened you know this coming weekend he also makes a note that FBI agent Jim
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Reich was checking the Martin family's background for any possibilities if they were involved right in this
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day five he makes a note to tell select leaders to watch for circling buzzards and note any strange
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[Music] today all right cheers mates cheers to you Captain let's get back to the case of
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Dennis Martin well I want to discuss um a couple plans that were set up and this
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was set up by the chief Ranger and these were discussed in some of these strategy
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meetings so the chief Rangers set up two plans let's say plan a plan B plan a is
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what do we do if we find the boy alive Plan B what do we do if we find the boy dead so under plan a the boy would be
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taken by helicopter to the Knoxville headquarters of the US Marine reserves and then by ambulance to the University
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of Tennessee hospital under Plan B the Blunt County coroner would be notified and this is what they had to tell The
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Searchers because this is a large area so you may have one individual that's kind of out on their own find the boy
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either alive or deceased so we better have a plan organized to relay this information to other people especially
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if he's alive so we can get him help as soon as possible yeah but I I also think
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the plan if you find the boy dead it almost feels like they had a hunch that maybe something went wrong
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somebody in the family possibly was responsible well we have the FBI that was checking the backgrounds of the
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Martin family So the instructions to finders uh one is if you find him first determine obviously if Dead or Alive
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then notify the chief Ranger by the fastest means available and give location in detail if dead the radio
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code is 10200 if alive radio code code is 10100 a so if you find him climb a tree set a
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flag mhm also build a fire if you are one of the military personnel use a smoke bomb or some other form of signal
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for a helicopter then stand by while Special Forces repel in by helicopter and secure the boy if alive or if dead
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guard the area until released by the chief Ranger or the Foreigner so guard the area because we're going to want to
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look that area over we're going to want to see Clues we're going to see what we can find to tell us what happened to
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this boy if we find him dead yeah now all the reports that you read and there's been obviously so many years
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have passed since this uh since Dennis went missing have you found anything that would lead you to any suspicion on
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the father no 100% no yeah and I'll tell you what and this is you know we talked
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about this very briefly last week and really all I had to offer when we talked about it was I was like this is just a
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this is a sad story and I can't find anything to suggest that the family knew anything other than what they told the
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Rangers knew anything other than what they told the police and the FBI and the Searchers actually in all honesty man I
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kind of think that the Martin family the father and the grandfather might have been searching more for this kid than
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anybody else right and you know and I I know that we we cover a lot of cases and
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we often say you got to look for the family you got to look toward the family their whereabouts are
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fairly known I mean there it's it's pretty pinpointed out to us where they were what they were doing at the time we
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have a brief moment you know we have a short period of time where the father is off on his own searching
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the grandfather is off on his own searching but the thing I want to point out here is we have a whole other family
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of people that was there at the time of The Disappearance at the time that it was noticed that this boy went missing
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yeah and where that gets confusing is their last name is Martin but they're not any relation I'm glad you cleared
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that up because I couldn't figure that out 100% at first I made the assumption that they were uh related and then I
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found um Dennis Martin's father's obituary he passed away in 2014 and I found his obituary to try to
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check to see if Dr Martin was on there as being in relation to him and he was not listed so thank you for clearing
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that up because that's been a headache for me but again the important thing here is if if the his if Dennis Martin's
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father had something to do with this or his grandfather had something to do with
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this we have a whole other family of people that were there at the time that the boy went missing and they're not
00:32:59
saying anything they're not saying hey the father was suspicious hey the grandfather did he was acting weird we
00:33:05
don't have any of that and we have other children we have other children that would have been eyewitnesses that could
00:33:10
have told police or Rangers something was going on as well now we have a search a massive search effort that goes
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on for over 16 days captain and we're not going to go through every detail of that search because we' be talking about
00:33:26
it for 16 days so in a quick breakdown of that search just just trust me when I say this was a massive search effort
00:33:35
okay Dennis is not found over the course of these 16 days on one day at the peak
00:33:41
when we have the most Searchers looking for the little boy we have 1,400 people out there and we talked about all the
00:33:47
helicopters involved we have special forces I think it was recorded that 66 eventually 66 Green Berets were out
00:33:55
there looking for this boy these are people that are trained to go into areas like this and find someone whether they
00:34:01
are dead or alive they are specifically trained for this so when I say that they
00:34:07
didn't find the boy here's the thing when you have a search for a person a lot of times people on the outside
00:34:14
looking in they're going to set the standard of was it a successful search how hard did they try based off of did
00:34:21
they find the person right this situation while they weren't prepared going into it they adapted as they could
00:34:30
along the way they brought in a lot of people a lot of resources he wasn't found but it wasn't because of lack of
00:34:37
effort there was a lot of effort to find this boy well and it's not like he's just in a you know open field somewhere
00:34:45
we have very tight packed in woods I think then you have the other element of if he was
00:34:54
attacked by a animal that animal could have took his body somewhere mhm um if he fell into a river or a lake or
00:35:03
something like that then you know I don't know if they were searching those extensively mhm uh I'm guessing they
00:35:10
weren't but you'd think they would search some of those they were searching the the
00:35:15
drainages um in all honesty I thought when I looked through the detailed versions of the searches and the efforts
00:35:24
made I saw a bit of a lack of effort on some of the larger bodies of water in the area I think they searched
00:35:32
portions of those but not the entirety now right so that's those are some of the elements they have going against
00:35:38
them yeah uh we do have Rangers that stayed on and promised the Martin family that they would continue to look for
00:35:45
their little boy as long as it took right and basically we have a meeting that takes place after 16 days of
00:35:53
searching where everybody in the meeting kind of has to throw up their hands and
00:35:56
say well where do we go from here what do we do now and part of those people were the Martin family as well the
00:36:02
Martin family saying what do we do we we've tried everything well let's dive into the there's only one account or a
00:36:10
possible account of a eyewitness seeing Dennis yes so here's the thing if if you believe
00:36:20
this Theory then it's likely that Dennis was abducted yeah hold on we're going to
00:36:28
I should preference this this going to get a little strange right and I'm not laughing at the thought of the boy being
00:36:33
abducted I'm laughing at the thought of things that have been discussed because of this possible eyewitness account well
00:36:39
you might be laughing about that cuz you don't laugh at any of my jokes well so on the afternoon that Dennis disappeared
00:36:46
we have Harold Key he's 45 years old he's from Tennessee he was near the Rowen I hope I said that right but we're
00:36:53
going to go with that Rowen Creek which is a short distance away from The Martin
00:36:58
family's Campground now Mr Harold Key and his family had been walking a trail in the area looking for wildlife in
00:37:05
particular any signs of black bears nearby when they heard an enormous sickening scream a guttural grow okay so
00:37:14
within moments well look I think that's important yes Key's son pointed out a bear quote unquote a bear nearby now how
00:37:23
old was the sun is that in the report uh I couldn't find that I couldn't either and this is actually a very weird
00:37:31
eyewitness account the whole thing about it weird um the bear was located up by the ridge this is a bit of a ways from
00:37:39
them now Mr key upon observing the quote unquote bear his son had spotted determined that this was not a bear uh
00:37:46
but rather what he would refer to as a dark figured rough looking man mhm attempting to well he says that he
00:37:56
thinks that this individual was trying to hide behind some of the Bush there mhm and the man which key didn't manage
00:38:04
to view in clear detail had purportedly been carrying something over his shoulder Harold Key unaware of Dennis
00:38:13
Martin's disappearance earlier that afternoon supposed that the figure might have been a Moonshiner who had you know
00:38:21
was trying to hide from them mhm and upon learning days later there's the key there Days Later of the search for
00:38:29
Dennis Martin Harold Key notified the FBI about what he and his family had seen the same afternoon Dennis went
00:38:37
missing the FBI gets involved right so they actually rule this out as they rule it as being not connected to Dennis
00:38:47
Martin's disappearance because this was about 9 miles away from where the boy was last seen and the FBI's thought here
00:38:54
is that at the approximate time that Mr key and his son see this unkempt man is what the the theory is actually called
00:39:02
and referred to as a lot the unkempt man Theory at the time that they believe that they saw this
00:39:09
individual it would have been too far of a distance away for the small child to have made his way there or to have been
00:39:18
uh carried by this man yeah okay so shall we dive into this just just rip right through it or should
00:39:28
we get into some other stuff Captain cuz there's a lot of weird things here well
00:39:32
I think the weird thing is that we have a kid we and again we don't know the age
00:39:37
saying I saw a bear and I believe after his father says no is a disheveled man his son still says n it was a bear mhm
00:39:49
and that and that's where we have uh this is where it gets a little strange because normally your father says no it
00:39:57
was a disheveled man and the kid would go okay maybe it was mhm in this case from what the reports I've read the kid
00:40:06
says no it was a bear or at least something with fur mhm and then that's when uh the coast to coast Talk starts
00:40:16
and and when people start saying well we have this this guttural grow this almost
00:40:22
scream which when you hear that initially they're looking for a six-year-old boy oh it's the
00:40:27
six-year-old boy he's the one screaming no it's this dis shoveled man that's screaming MH possibly now again if he's
00:40:36
some U Moonshiner and he's hiding in the bushes from you or hiding behind trees from you why would he let out a guttural
00:40:46
scream mhm so that's when people start putting on their velcro shoes and going down into the woods and looking
00:40:56
for the Bigfoot the Sasquatch the thought being that a rogue Sasquatch abducted Dennis Miller well
00:41:05
Dennis Martin I'm sorry well let's start with the first idea of this is that they
00:41:10
hear this gutur roll growl they see this disheveled man or bear and it's and it's neither
00:41:19
one of those it's a combination it's a Bigfoot has something on his shoulder we don't know if that's Dennis or not not
00:41:27
so it could just be a weird sighting has nothing to do with The Disappearance people go a little step
00:41:35
further and say okay well if this Bigfoot is carrying something and that something that he's carrying again we
00:41:43
have we know that Dennis was wearing a red shirt I don't think there's anywhere that they report that the key family
00:41:49
saw you know this figure carrying something that had a red shirt or a red anything according to Mr key he could
00:42:01
not identify what this thing or person was carrying or or if he was in fact carrying something at all right and what
00:42:09
I'd argue is if he was carrying this child that had a red shirt on and doesn't mean that the shirt couldn't
00:42:16
have left him at some point but I'm saying if the kid still had the red shirt on Dead or Alive you would have
00:42:23
been able to see that red shirt from the distance that they saw you might not be
00:42:27
able to make it out exactly what you saw but you go well he was carrying something on his shoulder and it was red
00:42:34
mhm and that would lead me to believe that whatever they saw had something to do with The
00:42:40
Disappearance um but I don't know look here's the thing it was not a Bigfoot it was not a Sasquatch Yeti whatever you
00:42:49
want to call them it was not that why is that cuz or our thought of that don't believe in no I'll get in I'll get into
00:42:55
it and I'll break it down down real quick for you but before I do I would love if something like that
00:43:02
existed the world would be a lot more interesting if something like that existed the whole reason I got into True
00:43:08
Crime when I was a little kid was because I was read no I was reading about Bigfoot and and sea monsters and
00:43:14
stuff like that and I got a little older and I was like well this is not likely there's not a whole lot of substance
00:43:19
here let's read about some other form of mystery and that began my love of True Crime that was my favorite um
00:43:26
parts of Unsolved Mysteries when they would dive into Bigfoot sightings and Lochness monsters because it it seemed
00:43:33
like it kind of you know the The Disappearance or the possible murder cases that when they dove into different
00:43:41
things like that or alien abductions it kind of lightened the mood a little bit well here's why that's not possible okay
00:43:52
let's say the easiest way for me to explain this is that there are a lot of varied
00:43:58
reports of this possible eyewitness account and what I mean by that is there was one original true statement that was
00:44:06
given at the get-go and since then there have been more fanciful versions of this
00:44:14
same story where people are taking it they're recounting the story and they are giving it their own version they're
00:44:20
spinning it a little bit and some of the versions that I've seen Captain there's
00:44:25
dozens of them out there and some of them are downright they sound like a science fiction story rather than the
00:44:31
actual account right so if you want to break down the actual account there there's some that even refer to this
00:44:36
individual that that say that Harold Key says he saw an ape man he never said he
00:44:42
saw an ape man right he said he saw a dark complected unkempt man hairy man okay he said that he saw someone that
00:44:51
appeared to being that didn't want to be spotted by anybody he also said that this this individual when whenever they
00:44:57
threw this thing over their shoulder whatever they were carrying they threw something over their shoulder walked
00:45:02
away and Harold Key believes that the individual got into a white vehicle and drove off okay so here's some problems
00:45:10
with that unless Sasquatch owns a white vehicle MH then it's not Sasquatch that Harold Key saw so you're
00:45:19
saying Bigfoot doesn't know how to drive a car if he that's what you're saying if
00:45:24
he does M then he must have done quite the shave and haircut before he showed up to get his license his driver's
00:45:31
license picture taken look I'm not saying that you're not an expert on Bigfoot but what I am saying
00:45:38
is I've seen Harry and the Henderson at least a 100 times and I believe he drives a
00:45:43
car well so no I get what you're saying but but I'm regardless if and I'm not here to argue cryptozoology with anybody
00:45:52
okay I'm just I'm just stating the facts are that Harold ke never said or referred to this individual as an ape
00:45:59
man number one and number two whatever he said that he saw he believes that that thing that person got into a white
00:46:06
vehicle and drove away mhm now again um there there was an animal a long time ago called Gigan athesis I believe
00:46:16
that's how you say it which was a giant ape figure that that believe they believe walked on two legs so that there
00:46:26
would be some sign that something like a big foot foot existed at some point now
00:46:32
we've had a million sightings but now with technology everybody has a camera everybody has a video camera in their
00:46:41
phone um I have seen a couple videos that I can't watch and explain to you what I'm
00:46:51
seeing and again I'm with you I'd love if these existed where it gets hairry pardon the pun is this figure
00:47:05
gets into a car and if there's any truth to that statement then what he saw was probably
00:47:11
a disheveled man and then these reports of his son say no he a bear that might not be accurate and then but what
00:47:19
happens in this case you got this missing boy 6 years old then a goes from Bigfoot sightings to possible alien
00:47:29
alien abductions and this theory that these aliens um when they come down to earth
00:47:36
that they have bases with inside rivers and lakes and these Deep Forest areas and that maybe he was abducted by an
00:47:44
alien then you have other reports that maybe there's portals and I don't want I'll put this out there I haven't
00:47:53
read The Missing 411 I saw the docu documentary I've heard that the book goes more
00:48:01
into the Unexplained as far as portals time traveling portals alien portals um again I look I don't know
00:48:13
where the evidence is you know like I said I've seen a couple videos of of Bigfoot and a couple videos of alien and
00:48:23
UFO sightings that I can't expl that doesn't mean that they're real so uh I hope some of this stuff exists
00:48:32
somewhere but I don't think it has any bearing on this case at all even though for whatever reason it gets brought up a
00:48:40
lot well I think the this eyewitness account what what I think you're missing here what I think everyone seems to be
00:48:48
missing for some reason is what this man says Harold Key says that whoever I saw
00:48:55
there in the woods whether he was carrying something or not got into a vehicle and drove off I didn't miss that
00:49:02
no I but no but you you went way out on left field here with with some alien talk and I know that there's been a lot
00:49:09
of it but no no no that's not my talk what I'm saying is because of the Bigfoot sightings that has led to other
00:49:16
people that have some fascination with True Crime but mainly their Fascination is in alien sightings and Bigfoot
00:49:24
sightings and time tra in portals and all that stuff and that stuff look I love Coast to Coast I love listening to
00:49:31
um some odd stuff right mhm but what I'm saying is this case people took this sighting of a disheveled man turned that
00:49:40
into Bigfoot turned that into aliens turn that into time traveling portals and it's just it's just ridiculous you
00:49:47
know it I believe this case is pretty simple you have a six-year-old boy that went out to hide and maybe went too far
00:49:56
and then as he got turned around started going okay I need to pop out in the woods I need to go this way and you said
00:50:06
that you know one of the key things that you said is there was a time lapse of maybe 10 minutes maybe there was a time
00:50:12
lapse of 10 minutes again in every case you can go 5 minutes forwards or 5 minutes backwards and if you go
00:50:18
backwards now you got 15minute time window that that boy was missing maybe maybe even as much as a 20 minute time
00:50:25
window if that kid got turned around and thought and this has happened look um when I was in Boy Scouts would' go out
00:50:33
and play you know hide and go seek and stuff like that I remember one time getting so freaking confused because we
00:50:41
were playing up on a hill and then I then I took off running went down the hill to hide and then I ended up going
00:50:48
up a hill and getting turned around for a second and started going the wrong way
00:50:54
and I then saw some my buddies like way over and I thought oh crap I'm I'm way in the wrong area so is it possible is
00:51:04
it very possible that a six-year-old boy goes out there to hide gets turn around
00:51:09
and starts I'm just going to head in this direction and depending on how fast he's heading in that direction now
00:51:16
you're half a mile away now you're uh a mile away right and and you could be a mile away and and 15 minutes and then
00:51:26
even if he's not moving quickly but he's moving in a direction that you're not searching now you're talking within an
00:51:33
hour he's three or four miles away and and you know in in two three hours now now he's he's at that point almost he is
00:51:43
Lifetime away that's probably why they never found him well the key thing that I want to point out here regarding the
00:51:50
story of Harold Key and his son in that possible eyewitness sighting is the vehicle because we have a
00:51:59
statement that says the FBI ruled this out as being connected as it was 9 miles from Spence field it was too far well
00:52:06
it's not too far if somebody took the boy from Spence field put him in a vehicle and drove the 9 miles and ended
00:52:14
up there for some reason okay it's not it's not too far for that so why they chose to R rule this out makes
00:52:24
absolutely zero sense to me because if this person was the perpetrator of some kind of crime of some kind of abduction
00:52:33
he had access to a vehicle and likely used it yeah no and where they went spenfield
00:52:40
where they were at you said had two shelters there was campgrounds but we also have two families that are pretty
00:52:48
close together you would think that if this individual saw an opportunity to grab a six- yearold that there would be
00:52:57
some kind of eyewitness either of the man at spenfield or some kind of eyewitness of his
00:53:04
vehicle mhm there so that I mean that's the only reason why it seems unlikely to me but we're
00:53:13
not talking about a situation where the Martin family and the other Martin family are the only people in the area
00:53:21
camping or staying no I understand that we're talking about a very big busy area
00:53:26
with lots of people coming in from all areas to stay there and spend the weekend no and I understand that as well
00:53:33
again now you have more people more possible eyewitnesses that didn't see a man carrying a child um this child again
00:53:42
we don't I don't know for sure but would this child scream yell whatever and also
00:53:49
we have more eyewitnesses that didn't see this vehicle and you think but we don't have a great description of the
00:53:55
vehicle it's not like we have have a situation where they're saying I saw a white Buick 1986 with a maroon vinyl top
00:54:04
no this guy's saying I think that the guy got into a white vehicle and drove off that's that's as good of a
00:54:11
description as you get a vehicle that could have been white and then we have a we also have a situation of if this man
00:54:19
as described the one that's hiding in the woods Bigfoot well if he is as described you would think he would be
00:54:27
easily remembered he would be memorable to the people staying in the area the quote unquote unkempt man the problem is
00:54:36
I wonder the amount of distance between this individual and the key family as well as the obstacles between them I
00:54:45
don't think that they had a very good I don't think they got a very good sight of this individual I not not when
00:54:52
somebody's saying it's a it's an animal yeah a bear somebody saying no it's a bear I mean you could you could have a
00:54:58
guy wearing a brown sweater at a great distance and he's got some weird hat on and maybe that's where you come up with
00:55:05
this strange description of this individual well and I I think the thing that is it possible that there's this
00:55:13
pedophile out there or or murderer child murderer that's out there just trying to
00:55:20
find a victim that's very possible I mean we've seen times with uh Bundy and other people that go to campgrounds and
00:55:29
to kind of stock prey it's possible the but you always have to look at the evidence and I think
00:55:36
one of the pieces of evidence is when they found the shoe print M where there's one shoe print and then the
00:55:42
missing shoe print you're finding that uh I don't know how far away it was from the site uh that he went missing but I
00:55:52
think it was a distance and so again it's like the the eyewitness of the disheveled man
00:56:01
would have to line up with the boy going missing at this time and then when the the shoe prints were found and I think
00:56:09
the shoe prints would have been found after that if I'm correct on that then I think this disheveled men probably has
00:56:15
nothing to do with the case I think if the shoe prints um were there and if they are in fact part of The
00:56:22
Disappearance if they were left there by Dennis Mar mhm I think they probably should have
00:56:29
been found on day two of the search I don't see any way that the family and some people helping and assisting and
00:56:35
three rangers would have found those prints during the course of 2 and 1 12 Ines of rainfall right so day two now we
00:56:42
do know we have to believe I don't have record of where those prints were found but the inference we can make is that
00:56:50
they should have been somewhat close to where the Martin family was staying because the key word words that are used
00:56:57
is stating that this area had already been searched and these prints weren't there or not believed to have been there
00:57:03
the first time we searched this we know that when they first started searching they started searching in the most
00:57:09
likely areas first and work their way out that means starting close by where the Martin family was staying well and
00:57:16
that's the other scary thing too though is I mean you you said it I believe um in the trailer um that it took him an
00:57:24
hour once not an hour took him a day one time to find a missing plane it was a year a
00:57:30
whole a whole year wow I need to pay attention to you more of you were only off by 364 days hey that's not hey but I
00:57:38
want to keep it I I think we should keep in mind you know I've gone over that statement time and time again and I'm
00:57:43
like well of course they didn't find Den Dennis Martin how would you if it took you a year to find a plane but the plane
00:57:50
got there in a much different way than Dennis would get to where he may be resting right but what I mean by that
00:57:58
is is it possible that they're searching for this child but because he's so small
00:58:04
and because the woods are so dense that you can't see him maybe 15 yards away so
00:58:11
he walks by you during the search and so is it possible that again these Footprints are not left till day two or
00:58:20
possibly even day three and then you go he's here he's been here the whole time we're just not seeing him when
00:58:28
we're searching I mean I I again I I don't know the train too well I mean I've seen a few pictures but it seems
00:58:35
like once you got into those woods that it'd be hard to spot anything so here's my one of my thoughts and you know it's
00:58:43
tough for me to go a whole case without throwing somebody under the bus or at least bringing up some good questions
00:58:51
that I think have not been looked at regarding individuals and my first question would be for Mr Harold Key the
00:58:59
one that has this quote unquote possible eyewitness statement right he does not report this for days because he didn't
00:59:09
he was unaware that there was a missing person for days I wonder where was Harold Key during the course of those
00:59:16
days before he reported this and what I'm getting at is okay well well I don't think that should be laughed at we've C
00:59:25
we've covered so many cases where somebody comes forward with a possible eyewitness account why do they do that
00:59:32
sometimes they're trying to create and establish an alibi for themselves they were actually up to no good yeah but
00:59:38
isn't his wife with him well that's no that's what I mean I would like to know where this individual
00:59:44
was during the course of those days and how does it turn into that he doesn't know that there's somebody missing 4
00:59:51
days when we have statements all along the way that Searchers when they came across anybody else they'd be like hey
00:59:58
we're looking for a six-year-old boy his name's Dennis he was wearing this have you seen anybody and so he's like well I
01:00:05
saw a dis shuffel man but what I mean captainot is when this sighting occurred did the keys shortly leave after that
01:00:15
and they didn't become aware of Dennis Martin missing until they saw it on the news when they returned to their home
01:00:22
and they're sitting at home in in the comfort of their family room and they see it on the news so that's just one
01:00:27
question I have I don't I'm not trying to to make it look like anybody's guilty of anything what but what I'm getting at
01:00:34
is we have a very possibly important eyewitness account that we have no information of we're fed this account so
01:00:42
many times and if you look into this case like I said you'll find two dozen different versions of this account yeah
01:00:50
and only one of them is correct yet we have no follow-up information on Mr key his family what they were doing why they
01:00:57
were in the area and and where were they and to whom did they finally report this
01:01:03
possible sighting of this man and or this boy well let's get into the other weird story involving this disappearance
01:01:11
of den Martin it's not as weird as bigfoots or aliens but it's still odd so several years after Dennis went missing
01:01:20
an illegal Jens sing Hunter claims that he had found a SC all in other remains of a small boy or I'm guessing I don't
01:01:29
know how he would determine it was a boy or a girl but state that in the same vicinity however this person did not
01:01:37
report this to anybody officially until 1985 because the man had feared that he might be arrested for his illegal
01:01:45
activity in the area which led him to the Discovery MH this area was around three miles away from where Dennis was
01:01:53
last seen and then a later search of this area yielded no results so many years after the incident yeah and for
01:02:01
whatever reason my gut just tells me that this story isn't true that this guy didn't see a skull or anything I believe
01:02:09
that after he told them even though so much time passed I I believe they would have found something some kind of
01:02:15
remains This Is A Lie this is got to be a lie I mean anybody that that would come forward to want to do the right
01:02:24
thing what are you going to do Captain you and I have talked about this you get rid of
01:02:28
your damn Jens sing and you go report your findings immediately well you said it was 1984 when he came out when when
01:02:35
he finally reported this incident it was 1985 okay so 16 years after the boy goes
01:02:41
missing I mean so if if you are telling the truth you're a horrible piece of [ __ ] cuz you waited for 16 years if
01:02:48
you're not telling the truth you're a horrible piece of [ __ ] cuz you're lying about it so either way keep in mind
01:02:55
piece of [ __ ] that when the search was finally you know when it was over they had searched 56 square miles of land 56
01:03:05
square miles of land this guy says that he found this uh around 3 miles away from where Dennis was last seen and
01:03:13
here's the other thing that's strange about his statement I found a skull and other remains of a small boy in this
01:03:20
area again years later after of decomposition how would this guy know that it was a small boy right you know
01:03:29
what indicators told him it was a small boy and not a small girl right and then the indicators are that he read this
01:03:37
story somewhere and he wanted to be a part of it right that to me you should probably look into individuals like that
01:03:43
though you know what I mean because it's like why why does this guy want to be a
01:03:48
part of the story again and but it also shows that there's also people up there hunting when they they shouldn't be and
01:03:55
so again does Dennis go into the woods and get does he get lost does he get attacked by animal or does he does he
01:04:04
find some evil piece of [ __ ] out there I have trouble with the theory of an animal attack as well and the reason
01:04:14
being is I think there would have been evidence of such I think that we would have found something of Dennis or some
01:04:22
something belonging to Dennis after this animal attack mhm this that never happened there's no sign of this boy
01:04:29
anywhere well well I think it's in the documentary Missing 411 or at least in a documentary
01:04:37
that I watched recently where the same scenario they they went up somewhere the boy these kids were playing they turned
01:04:45
around the boy was they were hiking on a trail MH they turn around the boy is gone and so then they hight tail it back
01:04:54
back to where the father was staying say hey we can't find your boy he goes up there or maybe was the grandfather they
01:04:59
go up and start looking they can't find anything mhm and one of the Rangers would tell you this if an animal would
01:05:09
attack anything it is going to take those remains with it and so yeah you would argue would you find blood well
01:05:17
you're talking about he goes missing we don't have anybody with any knowledge searching till 8:30 so now it's dark
01:05:25
then once it starts raining would whatever blood would been found at the scene where he was attacked would that
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be washed away mhm and so my gut feeling is to me it's this simple I think he got
01:05:40
turned around he got lost he either was attacked you know got lost and moved around for a while and then got attacked
01:05:49
by an animal mhm or he you know was lost roaming around and possibly tried to you
01:05:58
know oh if I just cross this water and you know uh drown in the water I think those to me are the two most likely
01:06:07
scenarios yeah I I agree with you I think we have a situation where I would say the most probable is that somehow
01:06:16
the boy got disoriented he got lost and for whatever reason ended up in water now that could be a million different
01:06:23
reasons as to why maybe he put himself in water but we all and we also have some evidence of this we do have
01:06:30
footprints that lead towards water and we he the boy's got no food or water no food or drink so did he go towards water
01:06:39
to to drink something at some point the the only thing that I have issue with in
01:06:44
this theory is that okay so the average adult would walk a mile in about a little less than 20 minutes a six
01:06:54
yearold boy okay let's go ahead and expand that out to about 30 minutes and you also have to factor in it's rough
01:07:01
terrain he's not walking on a paved Road on a flat paved Road this is the Wilderness where this child is
01:07:08
walking his father and grandfather began looking for him if we're to believe the
01:07:14
stories within minutes within a very short period of time calling out his name why did he not return their shouts
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why didn't he shout back at them why and if he did why didn't they hear him he would have been close enough in that
01:07:31
time period that they should have heard him so it's it's a very troubling thing because what seems the most probable of
01:07:39
him getting lost and then ending up in the water and if he were anywhere if he were any anywhere on that property to
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this day it would be in the water because that's where they had the toughest time searching that's where
01:07:53
they weren't able ble to conduct proper searches shortly after he went missing but again the troubling thing is why
01:08:00
didn't he call back to his dad and his grandfather and if he did why didn't they hear him so then my other thought
01:08:08
my number two Theory number one would be he got lost and something happened to him it's still surprising to me that all
01:08:15
this time later they've never found anything you know to to tell us what happened but my number two Theory would
01:08:23
be that he was a abducted and what I mean by that is some people have said really all those people in that big of
01:08:30
an area and he is abducted that just seems like too perfect of a scenario for the
01:08:37
abductor you the thing that these people are having trouble figuring out is I'm not suggesting a theory where Dennis
01:08:45
Martin was targeted to be abducted I'm pointing out a thought and theory of the abductor went to this location and
01:08:54
thought you know what there's going to be a bunch of people here there might be unsupervised children I'm going to watch
01:09:00
some of the children in the area and if I see someone un unattended to if I see an
01:09:07
opportunity I'm taking it and we have a situation here where if we have an abductor who's attracted to young boys
01:09:15
well he very well may have been watching those four young boys playing together that day and thought you know what I
01:09:23
might like to take one of those boys and a situation may have presented itself where three boys went off in One
01:09:29
Direction and poor little Dennis went off in another Direction and either he was enticed by this individual to walk
01:09:36
further into the woods or he was grabbed up by this individual and you pointed out a very good thing you pointed out a
01:09:43
very smart observation captain and that's one that I'm having trouble getting over and this is why the
01:09:49
abduction theory is my second most probable to me is that if he was abducted there would have
01:09:57
had to have been some time of this individual running with the boy in his arms and nobody ever saw that nobody
01:10:06
ever came forward saying you know if somebody would have come forward believe you me this would be an abduction this
01:10:12
would not be a missing person's case this would be an abduction case and they would have investigated as such right
01:10:18
from the get-go and so that's a that's a smart intelligent observation that you made
01:10:24
and I so those are my thoughts and I and I and I apologize that I can't have a better answer for you but those seem to
01:10:31
be the most likely and here here's the thing as far as the abduction goes Captain this is
01:10:37
why I can't get over the thought that it might have been an abduction there's no trace of this boy
01:10:43
anywhere it's almost as whatever happened to him not only removed Dennis but it removed everything that Dennis
01:10:51
had on his person at that time it removed all trace of Dennis at that time from the area I believe we have a search
01:11:00
here that was big enough that if he was in the area he would have been found or something of him could have been found
01:11:07
what's scary here is you know you just look up missing persons from Parks numbers as far as over 1,600 people
01:11:16
going missing this is a lot of people but I think it it shows one that that um mother nature and the Wilderness is not
01:11:27
anything that you should take lightly right you could just get lost you could be attacked by an animal you could again
01:11:35
you could have an accident falling off a cliff something with water so uh you know be careful out there and and I
01:11:44
think the reason why some of these crazy you know quote unquote crazy ideas as far as alien abduction and time travel
01:11:53
portal and dimension portals and Bigfoot sightings and and possible other animals
01:11:59
is because there is so many individuals that have gone missing that we don't have answers to and I think it's people
01:12:05
trying to fill in the gaps yeah and I do want to address two other things that have been pointed out
01:12:12
in this case as being quote unquote weird okay the first being author Dwight mcarter uh he's the author of lost a
01:12:21
Rangers Journal of search and rescue he had a strange tale to tell about the Martin case in which marter in which
01:12:29
mcarter claimed that during the search for Dennis Martin the special forces units that had been called in had barely
01:12:36
communicated at all with authorities Rangers or civilian Searchers instead working on their own as if in his words
01:12:45
they had their own agenda he also states that they had been heavily armed as if they were expecting something big to
01:12:52
happen and he ask what could this mean I want to address that real quick here Captain I think this this is another way
01:12:59
of making this story more fanciful than it is than what it actually is he's talking about the Green Berets when they
01:13:06
came in to look for the boy they were going to work on their own okay these are this is a unit a Special Forces Unit
01:13:14
that is trained highly trained to conduct searches and find people and remove them from an area okay they're
01:13:22
not going to fraiz with the local Rangers with some locals that helped search that are only going to muddy the
01:13:32
waters for them Cloud their operation they're not going to spend time communicating with those individuals
01:13:37
they can do nothing but slow them down well this is another reason why the Bigfoot Community has said that Bigfoot
01:13:45
was involved and this is evidence of that because when they came in that they knew that they're looking for a boy and
01:13:53
it's possibly that he was abducted by a Bigfoot that's that's what I've read time and time again and the other
01:14:00
thought of what could this mean that they were heavily armed um they're the Green Berets how would you expect them
01:14:07
to be armed they're going to be armed the way that they're always going to be armed on any search and rescue mission
01:14:14
let me tell you something when they sit down at dinner table they're heavily armed the other Weir weird detail that
01:14:21
people bring up is that the lead FBI investigator on the case agent Jim Reich later committed
01:14:28
suicide okay MH I'm sorry but people in law enforcement have a higher rate of suicide than most other professions it's
01:14:36
just a fact okay we're talking about they want to paint this picture of well Jim Reich must have known something that
01:14:43
the general public didn't and he couldn't take it anymore so he killed himself did he know things that the
01:14:48
general public didn't know of course he's in the FBI but most likely was about other cases this guy was probably
01:14:56
he worked a stressful job for many years and who knows what other stressors it added to his life his personal life and
01:15:02
his family life I'm sorry but to point out that the agent that worked this case later committed suicide it it has no
01:15:10
bearing on this case itself it means nothing it carries no weight so again Captain we have a lot of strange
01:15:17
theories out there that are interesting to read and think about but they just don't carry any weight yeah don't want
01:15:24
any hate from the Bigfoot Community I don't want any hate from Aliens or or ghost or any Community or time travel or
01:15:34
portals of different dimensions I'm into it all mhm i i watch some of the craziest things you've ever seen and
01:15:40
then sometimes I laugh afterwards and sometimes I go that [ __ ] might be real you know it all depends on the day I
01:15:48
think but I do find that stuff fascinating I enjoy it I mean I've been big fan of coasta Coast for years and I
01:15:56
I I find those they're just puzzles and they're they're like mind puzzles and I think it's fun to think about and I do
01:16:03
want to point out a couple things here too Captain we have the Martin family okay everything that I read states that
01:16:10
the grandfather Dennis Martin's grandfather was looking for the child till very late in his life we also have
01:16:17
his father William Martin William Martin you know one test that he passed that the Martin family passed for me was they
01:16:25
didn't move away mhm he he lived in the same home that he lived in with Dennis at the time of Dennis's disappearance
01:16:32
till very late in life and he was married to Dennis's mother for 55 years until he passed away in 2014 and again
01:16:41
everything I read stated that he was looking for his son until he passed away all right I hope everybody had a great
01:17:02
Labor Day weekend hope it was fun hope you got some nice cold drinks and enjoy the short work week that's the that's
01:17:10
the that's the best part of uh you get the great holiday followed by the short Work Week little recommended reading for
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everybody out there uh this week we are recommending missing when the sun sets the Jared atadero Story and son is
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spelled s o n discover the case that rocked the state of Colorado for 5 years and changed the way many view their
01:17:31
world forever on October 2nd 1999 3-year-old Jared atadero vanished on a group hike in the commane peak
01:17:39
Wilderness as hours turned into days and days into months Jared's father Allan goes through hell in high water to
01:17:47
combat nightmarish circumstances hindering the search for his son and how about a little recomend listening
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