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crime foreign [Music] make you think that a black man arming himself is illegal or criminal or that
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he wants to arm himself to rob a liquor store or something you know what I'm saying that is for me to defend myself
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and it should always be it's just about surviving you know and we have to be honest about the tools that we use to
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survive and why is a black life um any any more recoupables in a white life you know
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what I'm saying we know that they don't put the same Security in the ghetto that
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they do and the whites you know in the white neighborhoods so therefore for me to be out here saying don't you know put
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your guns down and no violence that's hypocritical and if I didn't talk about the violence everybody would act like
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the violence wasn't there we as rappers want that violence we bought the violence that we've seen on the street
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we put in our records putting our records for years and after three four years people bust bunny starting to see
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it because all the statistics that's going on in the streets if we stop talking about it then they wouldn't take
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statistics and when they stop taking statistics then we'd be killing each other on the stream these white people
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wouldn't care no more only people they only reason they care is because you know there's been some Strays and we
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just slipped over in white neighborhoods and there's kids in Iowa that want to be
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like us you know what I'm saying there's kids in Indiana that's trying to be like
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us because they can relate too you know what I'm saying you even admit it I don't live in that neighborhood anymore
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there's no real reason for you to carry that nine millimeters don't believe that
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why and in two years I've had a gun pulled on me by my limo driver my police about
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everybody you know what I'm saying and I better be I better be you know what I'm
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saying I've been attacked you ain't read the papers about these skinheads trying
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to blow up black churches why they see me as the enemy just like y'all do you know what I'm saying they can come to my
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house and sit outside my house just like anybody else can a skinhead and once my
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life is gone it's gone can't nobody give it back to me not to judge not the president not the governor not Calvin
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Butts not Jesse Jackson they can't do nothing but come to my funeral and talk pretty about how black people suffer and
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once my life is gone it's gone is gone [Music] September 13 1996 a crowd of people gathered outside
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the University Medical Center in Las Vegas Nevada because of Tupac Shakur a rapper almost as famous for his police
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record as he was for his music inside the hospital Tupac was fighting for his life six days earlier he had been shot
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while riding in a car with his record labels owner at a stoplight A car pulled up next to the car that Tupac was in and
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opened fire Tupac was shot four times and we got to go back and talk about the life of Tupac leading up to the event
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here Captain so Tupac was born June 16 1971 and East Harlem in a section of New York City his mother afini was an active
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member of the Black Panther Party in the late 1960s and early 1970s now I'll just
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refer to him as Tupac or POC you know because we have different name changes and I don't want things to get confusing
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so pox mother afini along with 20 other members of the Black Panthers they were arrested in
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1969. they called this group the New York 21. the police said that the group had planned to blow up several places in
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New York it sounds like all of the New York 21 made bail but while they were out two of the members ran and fled well
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when this happened authorities began rounding up the remaining members and affini found herself in New York women's
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house for detention and at this time she's currently pregnant with Tupac Shakur yeah she had to get a court order
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this allowing her extra food for the pregnancy but really all it was in addition to what everyone else was
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eating was the addition of an egg and a glass of milk each morning affini said that she had never been able
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to carry a child past three months of pregnancy but in the midst of all this this child stayed now this could be the
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first indication that this baby wasn't going to be just your average kid affini from everything I could tell was
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a very smart lady she did not have any education as far as a law background goes but she did serve as her own lawyer
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in May of 1971 afini and 13 other members were cleared of all charges so Tupac was born a month after she was
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acquitted she was cleared of more than 150 charges of conspiracy against the United States government and New York
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landmarks in the state of New York well let's be clear especially in New York City the Black Panther Party was known
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for feeding the black community and school children so just because there was possibly these terrorist threats
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doesn't mean that she had any involvement and like you said she was acquitted of all charges Tupac said that
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his mother didn't hide the truth from him saying she didn't know who his father was Tupac would later accept
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Billy Garland as his father this was a man that his mother had a previous relationship with in the mid 70s affini
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became involved with matulu Shakur and even though the couple didn't marry mutulu considered himself Tupac's
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stepfather utulu and afina did have a daughter together now Tupac's stepfather he ends
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up he spends four years at large on the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives list beginning in 1982. he was wanted for
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helping his sister escape from a penitentiary in New Jersey in 1979. she had been in prison since 1977 for
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killing a State Trooper she was a fugitive for several years before gaining asylum in Cuba in 1985. now in
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1986 mutulu was caught tried and convicted for the robbery of a Brinks armored truck in which two police
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officers and a guard were killed sometime in the early 80s Tupac's mother tried crack cocaine and she did have
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some drug troubles from time to time and we'll see this again later throughout his life so I think we can say growing
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up was not easy for Tupac there of course were many hurdles for this young man and he's going to get into the Arts
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pretty early in his life yeah in 1983 at the age of 12 pox mother signed him up for a theater group in Harlem he was
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cast as Travis younger the character in the play A Raisin in the Sun which was performed at the Apollo Theater so this
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is this is a big deal uh in 1985 right I think he performed when Jesse Jackson was running for president now in 1985
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the family ended up moving to Baltimore Maryland it was there that Tupac enrolled in the Baltimore School for the
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Arts where he basically studied everything I mean acting poetry music you name it I believe this is where he
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developed a close friendship with Jada Pinkett uh later Jada Pinkett Smith I know that he was long time friends
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with Jada and that was no surprise to me when we started looking at this case and
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who Tupac is or was and I knew that he had a tough time growing up but I really didn't know how schooled and educated he
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was in the Arts from such a young age I find that incredibly surprising I found a quote that that is it's a bit of a sad
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one but I think it would it helped me understand some of his Drive Tupac said I didn't like my life but through acting
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I could become somebody else I think that tells you a lot of what's going on in his world and what got him to focus
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on these these more positive aspects a 1988 Tupac's mother is still battling her addiction with crack cocaine and
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she's actually in an abusive relationship so she's going to send her son and her daughter off to live with
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their godmother in California Tupac would point to this moment as quote as the point where I got off track
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uh later afini would follow the kids to California it sounds to me like the Godmother had her own uh battles right
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going on she she had some alcoholism I think that was going on there it was not a perfect situation to send your kids to
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why and what Tupac stayed in and multiple interviews was oh yeah so my mom had all these issues then she sends
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us to California oh by the way my godmother had all the same issues you know abusive relationship addicted to
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drugs Tupac would eventually drop out of school but he did have a chance meeting
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in a park with Leela Steinberg a young writer teacher and music producer uh it's through this connection that POC
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gets to try out for a group called The Digital Underground who was a fantastic rap group everybody probably remembers
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the hit the Humpty Dance I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom thank you Captain I was a fan of the Digital
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Underground and if you YouTube same song by Digital Underground you actually see
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Tupac in that video well after this this must be like 1991 so Tupac is in his first movie this is hilarious because I
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loved this movie this is Digital Underground and POC of course this was the movie nothing but trouble the group
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in the movie the group is pulled over for speeding and they have to appear before a judge the judge is Dan Aykroyd
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and when in court they performed their song titled same song with the judge joining in eventually on keyboards
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um this movie had Chevy Chase Demi Moore in the late great John candy in it so after this Tupac broke out on his own
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he's now like he's now 20 and in late 1999 yeah the record that he's going to come out with is two Apocalypse Now yeah
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and around this same time he's going to get cast in a much bigger role in what according to critics is probably
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considered a much better movie not not me because I love nothing about trouble but he is cast in a better movie as the
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uh or as the captain would say the film a film uh called juice so that's kind of
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a good review of Tupac's early life and his break into Fame but POC was not just
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famous for his music and acting once he started getting famous he had run-ins with the law and he also had an attempt
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on his life now the first story that I could recall with Tupac and the police well this is a nasty one in the fall
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it's the first one once he's famous the first one in the fall of 1991 police stopped him in Downtown Oakland
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California now he stopped for jaywalking this shouldn't probably shouldn't be a very big deal right oh he shouldn't stop
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him but but the story I heard is that POC showed three forms of ID to the two officers that had stopped him
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but the officers refused to believe that Tupac Shakur was his real name POC ends up losing his temper and he
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wants to know why it took two officers to stop him for something as simple as jaywalking and then shortly after
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there's a verbal altercation to put it nicely the officers then grabbed him and one puts him in a Chokehold he's taken
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down to the concrete pox says that when he woke up from the attack he was cuffed
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and he was face down in the street he was he was only in jail for about seven hours for this whole thing that went
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down but in December 1991 Tupac filed a 10 million dollar civil lawsuit against the Oakland Police Department well
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because you're missing a little bit of the story so once they arrest him on the street and there was a physical
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altercation in the street and let's just say Tupac probably provoked some of that right so I'm gonna
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let him off the hook that easy right but once they got him into the jail they beat the living crap out of him and he
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had a black guy had a bunch of bruises all over his face and that's why he pressed charges yeah and I think he they
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were they were pretty brutal to him before that though bringing him into the jail where people on the street could
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see that portion of it go down so he files that 10 million dollar lawsuit against the Oakland Police Department
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um allegedly saying that they brutally beat him for jaywalking Shakur received approximately 42 000 I believe in in
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settlement money but most of this uh went to pay for his lawyer in this situation yeah they basically admitted
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that they're wrong and that there was no charges either so it's kind of like you
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know nobody wins nobody loses there on August 22 1992 in Marin City Ash core performed at an outdoor festival and he
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stayed for an hour afterwards signing autographs and pictures a confrontation occurred and Tupac pulled out a legally
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registered gun and dropped it someone picked up the gun and it goes off and a bullet was discharged well about a
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hundred yards away a six-year-old boy on a bicycle at a nearby playground he's hit with the bullet it struck him in the
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forehead and it killed him although Tupac and his stepbrother Maurice Harding were arrested on suspicion of
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firing the gun no charges ended up being filed the County prosecutor basically had basically pretty much had no case
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because of lack of witnesses but later a wrongful death lawsuit was brought against Tupac and his label Interscope
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by the kid's mother so under a confidential settlement and this is the wording from a newspaper article at the
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time a record company for rap star Tupac Shakur has agreed to pay between 300 000
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and 500 000 to the parents of a six-year-old boy who was killed by a stray bullet during a scuffle at an
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outdoor Festival in Marin City in 1992. now attorneys for Tupac and for the parents of the boy they reached the
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settlement in in the lawsuit brought by the dead child's family after several hours of closed-door negotiations
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before you know before any witnesses to the shooting could take the stand right the lawyers would not publicly discuss
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details of this agreement however sources familiar with the agreement said a record firm whose name they would not
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disclose but we already knows Interscope will play the will pay the parents more
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than three hundred thousand dollars but less than five hundred thousand dollars to settle the suit they would not be
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more specific about the mo the amount in their opening remarks lawyers for both sides agreed that the bullet that hit
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the boy came from a handgun that was registered to Tupac right but they gave differing versions of how the shooting
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took place now the parents attorneys told the jury that Tupac was carrying a concealed weapon when a fight broke out
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he drew the weapon brandished it but dropped it and then yelled at Harding to get the gun several shots were fired
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including the one that killed the boy Tupac's lawyer told the jury that Tupac and Harding were attacked by a mob of
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angry people and at one point someone fired a gun over the heads of the crowd to scare them off I'm not certain that
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that's a great defense but I guess it's that's probably why they ended up settling this took place during an
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outdoor Festival which was among the large longest running events conducted by African Americans in Northern
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California the event was not held for years after the boy's death now that was taken from a newspaper article from 1995
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so I'm not sure if or when they may have resumed the Annual Festival in March of 1993 Tupac was arrested for
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threatening a limo driver in California well and this is a story he brings up often in interviews he talks about like
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why why do I need to carry a gun well because I've had guns pulled on me in the last several years and he always
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talks about that I had a gun pulled on me by a limo driver well if you're making threats maybe that's why the gun
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was pulled on you or maybe the gun was pulled on you and then you made threats I'm not I'm not really for sure
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also in 1993 Tupac was charged with one count of felonious assault he was accused of attempting to hit another
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rapper with a baseball bat at a concert at Michigan State University the incident reportedly began when Tupac
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became angry and through a microphone he pled guilty in September of 94 to a misdemeanor in exchange for the
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dismissal of the felonious assault charge he was sentenced to 30 days in jail 20
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of which were suspended and he was ordered to perform 35 hours of community service well if there's trouble you know
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Tupac's there you know that's what he does with the baseball bat straighten out the situation to be fair I mean this
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he was a small guy he was what like five eight five nine uh maybe 150 160 pounds
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yeah and I I want to be clear about something too because in a lot of these stories all right you know yes we're
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pointing out that he pled guilty or that he was charged with this um there's like we see all the time
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there's varying accounts of these stories of what actually happened who who was the problem who was not the
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problem well and yeah I mean look Tupac is controversial but I think a lot of his issues came from I mean obviously
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especially at that time and you're a celebrity and you're in and you're in the gangster rap world you got a Target
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on your back for Trump right so I maybe he brought some of this on himself maybe it was brought upon him
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and he had to defend himself I I don't know I wasn't there now I don't want to sound like some kind of jack wagon here
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but for some reason I like this next story but but you got to hear it all the way through before you judge me okay I'm
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already judging you before you judge me I uh in in Atlanta we should have never covered the case we got two uh Suburban
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boys in a garage covering Tupac in Atlanta in late 1993 Tupac was charged with shooting two off dude Duty Suburban
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policemen how the hell you like this story well I told you you got to hear it all the way through before you judge me
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see you you I got one sentence in and you start judging I'm not mad at you the Atlanta police said that the shooting
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occurred after two cars carrying Tupac in his party almost struck the two men in their wives as they crossed the city
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street okay Tupac was arrested at his hotel shortly after the shooting he was charged with two counts of aggravated
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assault and then released on fifty five thousand dollars bail now Tupac's lawyer
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said that it appeared from investigators descriptions of the incident that the two officers started whatever gun play
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that it had occurred you know so we have a who shot first situation According to
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some accounts it was one of the officers who first Drew and possibly fired a gun
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although no weapons were recovered the police say Witnesses gave this account of the incident Mark Whitwell uh he's a
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police officer and his wife were crossing the street well well I wonder what color he is well Mark is a police
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officer and he and his wife were crossing an Atlanta Street with whitwell's Brother Scott who was also a
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police officer and his wife after the couples were nearly hit by the car this is the car with Tupac and and the other
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car following them right um the two officers were both in civilian clothes at this point they argued with
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the driver and the passengers of the car as well as the occupants of the second car that had pulled up so according to
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some accounts Mark Whitwell pulled out a gun but it was not clear whether he had
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fired it Witnesses said that Tupac then fired a gun three shell casings from a nine millimeter pistol were recovered by
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police now do you want to hear about the aftermath of this incident yeah I'm trying to figure out why you like this
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story okay we're getting to the part that I like all right okay it was later determined that the officers were drunk
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and in possession of stolen guns oh great okay so as they cross the street a car with Tupac inside past them or
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almost struck them after arguing Mark Whitwell shot at Tupac's car Tupac then shot one officer in the buttocks and
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then the other he shot the other officer as well and I think this was in the leg
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there's varying news reports about where he shot the guy Mark Whitwell was charged with firing at Tupac's car and
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later charged for lying to the police during the investigation Tupac was charged with with the shooting as well
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but the prosecutors eventually dropped all charges against both parties oh really yeah this is just like a really
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bad horrible incident where you know drunk people stolen Guns by the police um yeah cops lying yeah unfortunately
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nobody was seriously injured or or killed in this incident but it's just a whole bunch of of people Behaving Badly
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um Tupac was supposed to be in the movie Menace to Society too uh the directors were twin brothers uh who had directed
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some of I believe they directed some of pox music videos uh but after several fights on the set with the directors
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Pock was fired well he this really upsets Pock and he he storms the set armed with a baseball bat right and he
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goes after both of the twins after both of the directors uh he was later found guilty of this assault well let's uh
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let's just put it out there for the listeners I mean all right were you a you know normally there was two camps
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there was the Tupac camp or the Big E camp which which Camp were you in um I have to pick a whole Camp
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um yeah I mean you could like both of them I'm just saying but you'd have to pick one over the other if I guess if I
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could only choose one I was definitely a bigger Notorious B.I.G fan um I own more of his music than I did of
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the death row West Coast guys I've always liked Dr Dre a lot uh so that's it's tough for me to say that I don't
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really think of rap like that you know like um those the gangster rap was never my
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thing I always liked kind of the more out there guys like like Busta Rhymes uh the Fugees I like um well we were pretty
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young Cypress Hill we're also pretty young at the time right when like Tupac was coming on more of a hit that was
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like middle middle school early High School yeah and we were probably still stuck in our grunge phase for a little
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bit of that time but okay so if you had to pick favorite Tupac song what what would you pick I tell you what I you
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know I only really liked the hits of Tupac but if I picked one and this is one that I would recommend to anybody
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because I think this this song shows his talent you know like I said I'm not big
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into gangster rap but uh but I like Dear Mama by by Tupac and I'll tell you why because I think I
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think you could list like any style of music and still like that song like even if you didn't like rap I think you could
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pick up that song and be like all right I get this I like it it's that good of a
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song well I'm just throwing this out there and and I think one of the hardest things to do is to take a song
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and remake it and make it better than their original right yeah I wanna and a a fabulous artist a very talented artist
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uh Bruce Hornsby he had the song the way it is right and uh Tupac remade that and
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made it into changes oh yeah I personally think that Tupac's song is better now I might get some hate mail
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for that but I think he took a song to the next level and I think what he's saying is very socially relevant today
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as much as it was back then another song that is socially relevant probably today
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too is uh keep your head up that's another one that you should check out if you're not familiar with his work but
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we'll get right back to that after this quick beer break foreign [Music] [Music]
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we're back cheers mates cheers now I just want to paint a quick picture here for the younger listeners Captain
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because we're only up to about 93 1993 in our timeline and we have a guy that that bust I mean the guy bust onto the
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scene right he comes onto the scene in 91 and Tupac he was you know we have albums coming out he's in multiple
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movies uh in such a short period of time this was a guy that became very famous very quickly he almost became it wasn't
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even just like oh well he's a star or he's a superstar he almost became an icon instantly yeah and the the thing
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that I remember being a younger guy was that it seemed like over the course of this two-year period that this guy was
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just always on TV like I said the the the music the the movies well on the arrest in the arrest and that's what it
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was you couldn't turn on MTV or you couldn't turn on the TV without hearing about something that either he he was
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being accused of or an achievement that he made as far as his his acting or music career yeah his talents and then
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he was in such high demand because he became so famous he was a huge star that everybody wanted to interview him so we
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have this guy that has these let's say just you know blanket it and say legal troubles but the thing I remember the
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most about him was that he would do a lot of interviews and in the legal troubles always came up during the
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interview so you would get to hear kind of his opinion on some of these things which was not something that you always
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saw with most stars you know most stars if if they're facing some kind of trouble they might try to hide from the
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Limelight a little bit well right but I don't know how many stars were facing this much trouble Yeah well yeah that
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and you know he was a he was a very young man at this point in his life but and I believe in in at least one
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occasion they had used some footage from one of his interviews even against him at one of his trials yeah and I also
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think you know uh to paint a picture to it as much as it was you know from The Outsider
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looking in it would just be uh this guy's a gangster rapper right so he's he's a thug right and he was saying
00:31:20
stuff like thug life and stuff so he's just but when you really break down a lot of his interviews he was saying a
00:31:26
lot of things of substance this this guy was uh a character of a lot of substance
00:31:31
oh yeah yeah very very intelligent guy he might not have always shown that off of the stage
00:31:37
um I I think with his legal trouble what I see here is is a is like I said earlier he's a
00:31:44
very young man I think he was impulsive young man at times overreacting in situations yeah and I think he was
00:31:52
um forthcoming with the idea hey I'm I'm angry you know uh I I grew up in the gutters and nobody helped me and now
00:32:01
that I'm getting something I'm I'm angry well in 1993 this was in November of 1993.
00:32:10
um this was one of his more well-known legal troubles that he faced uh Tupac and others were charged with sexually
00:32:17
assaulting a woman in a hotel room of course he denied the charges according to Tupac he had had prior relations days
00:32:26
earlier with the woman that were consensual uh he says that his accuser claimed sexual assault after her second
00:32:34
visit to Tupac's hotel room and she alleged that secure Tupac Shakur and his Entourage had raped her
00:32:44
um so this thing this thing goes to trial uh the woman testified that she had had consensual oral sex with Tupac
00:32:52
at a nightclub uh four days earlier on the Dance Floor yes and we know that from watching an interview with Arsenio
00:33:00
Hall um where he talked about some of you know some of this case as much as he probably could being that he's still on
00:33:08
trial and possibly more than he should have yeah yeah exactly but she she says that at the hotel room that Tupac wanted
00:33:17
to share her with his friends who forced themselves on her so she said that Tupac
00:33:23
and three of his friends they quote set upon set upon me like animals as the victim addressed the court now
00:33:33
she's talking to the court right she's giving her statements Tupac stares intensely at her during her
00:33:41
statements uh he then he gets up and apologized to her he went on to say I'm not apologizing for a crime he added I
00:33:51
hope in time you'll come forth and tell the truth the defense said that she had made the accusations out of jealousy
00:33:58
when when she had seen Tupac with another woman right now one thing going on here at the trial
00:34:05
this was a very well-publicized trial like the captain said this is something he spoke about in interviews
00:34:12
um so there were a lot of Tupac supporters present at this trial in fact at one point a woman that was in the
00:34:21
courtroom she leaned over the rail and kissed Tupac on the cheek uh before this is just before a court officer ordered
00:34:29
her back to her seat I'm surprised she wasn't thrown out of the Court completely one again we we should put
00:34:36
this in a little more context too though I mean yeah as much as he has you know you know
00:34:41
the gangster rap songs he also had some very like we were talking about before these uh socially relevant songs and one
00:34:49
of the songs was keep your head up and and that song was all about it was a very effeminate feminist uh viewpoint on
00:34:56
on everything uh and very uh well if I remember correctly that's the song where you know he this some songs are a story
00:35:05
right right and the the if I remember correctly this is the song where he talks about the woman she's wearing
00:35:11
sunglasses or glasses and he knows why she's wearing the glasses because somebody had hit her yeah well he was
00:35:18
raised by a single mother and so it's very you know um stay strong you know if you're a single mother yeah you have a
00:35:24
lot more to deal with but stay strong it's worth it you know your kids are counting on you and and a lot of stuff
00:35:30
too with you know if you're in an abusive relationship you're worth more than that and and just things of that
00:35:35
nature well on the night of November 30th now this is 1994. uh this is still during
00:35:42
the trial for the sexual assault charges that Tupac was facing Tupac was robbed and shot five times by three men in the
00:35:53
lobby of the Quad recording studio in Manhattan Tupac stated that he had believed the robbery to be a setup uh
00:36:01
that he was set up for the attack and he he even made comments about you know they stole jewelry from me but why did
00:36:09
they leave you know my Rolex watch they didn't take that right uh Tupac you know think about this for a second
00:36:17
here he shot five times right right he he very quickly checked out of the Bellevue Hospital Center against
00:36:25
doctor's orders this was just three hours after surgery um and then in the day that followed he
00:36:34
entered the courthouse back at his trial in a wheelchair yeah well in the the big
00:36:41
suspicion here was you know they already had this East Coast West Coast battle going on so a lot of people thought that
00:36:48
the east coast rappers were responsible for this possible hit but also the other
00:36:53
thing too was uh Tupac you know the cops actually thought that they could solve this case but Tupac wasn't really that
00:37:00
Cooperative with them no no uh in fact uh well let's get back to the trial real quick and we'll go through this this
00:37:07
whole attack because that's a whole there's a whole other can of worms um in the end Tupac and his Road manager
00:37:15
this is Charles Fuller they were convicted of first-degree sexual abuse they were acquitted of weapons and
00:37:23
sodomy charges uh Tupac was sentenced to one and a half to four and a half years
00:37:28
in prison for sexually abusing this they call her a fan uh and he tearfully apologized to his victim but even as he
00:37:39
apologized he said that he had committed no crime right and he States this over and over and over and over again in
00:37:46
interviews so let's go back to this uh attack uh or the shooting that happened at the in the recording studio yeah and
00:37:54
you could almost call this an attempt on his life to be shot five times or shot at five times it almost appears like an
00:38:00
attempted murder but yes there was a robbery as well but in a 1995 interview with Vibe magazine
00:38:07
uh Tupac accused Sean Combs uh better known as puffy or Puff Daddy um also Jimmy henchman and Biggie among
00:38:17
others you know so there's other people he accused of this of setting this situation up
00:38:23
um of setting up the attack at the quad recording studios now eventually the the
00:38:28
the magazine would change the names of some of the accused assailants upon publication
00:38:35
um so you know it did not they did not implicate Biggie or Puff Daddy in this in this actual thing but that's who he
00:38:44
was accusing yeah but if you're a Tupac fan and you listen to probably at this time half of his songs
00:38:52
he started saying you you guys know what you did you know you tried to kill me he
00:38:56
puts it out in the songs now I had read some information that said that biggie had Entourage that was upstairs uh when
00:39:05
this incident took place um which from the way I understand it this is a large this took place in a
00:39:12
large building now I I don't know if that's for certain but the way that the story goes is that Biggie's Entourage
00:39:19
whomever they were they went down stairs to check out the incident and Tupac was
00:39:25
being carried out on a stretcher by this time and he's basically you know he's being Tupac he's he's shouting at
00:39:31
everybody he's angry at the situation of course he's just been shot five times and he's been and he's giving the finger
00:39:37
to anybody in the area now I do want to touch upon some things of here before we
00:39:44
get to the the situation that takes place in Las Vegas because there are a lot of people that believe that these
00:39:50
two attacks could be tied in together that they could have potentially been carried out by the same person or
00:39:56
persons or ordered by the same person or persons so in in the Los Angeles Times this is journalist Chuck Phillips now
00:40:04
Phillips would later allege that Sean Puffy Combs and Chris Wallace better known as biggie uh were aware a week in
00:40:13
advance that Tupac would be ambushed in the 1994 shooting in New York's quad recording studio
00:40:20
um this would be two years before he was shot and killed in Vegas and the quote says that they were advised in advance
00:40:27
of what was going to happen they did not know the assailants were going to be shooting in fact they were told not to
00:40:36
shoot um but what had happened apparently was that when this attack went down they
00:40:41
state that Tupac pulled a gun and went haywire and it was supposed to just be a severe beating that turned into this
00:40:49
this terrible shooting well again like we said there was a lot of these battle rap songs going on
00:40:54
between West Coast and East Coast a lot of trash talking uh back but look Tupac's from New York
00:41:01
Biggie's from New York um Biggie and Tupac were friends for a while uh biggie actually opened up for
00:41:08
Tupac multiple times now you know there's a lot of speculation on why they had the falling out uh possibly with
00:41:14
Tupac sleeping with Vicky's wife and things like that um but as far as their careers go having
00:41:22
that battle between each other and that hype again like we said in this uh two three year period you could not
00:41:30
turn on the TV without seeing Tupac Shakur on MTV MTV News same way with biggie because every time Tupac was
00:41:38
doing an interview he did probably a 100 times more interviews than biggie but every time he's bringing up Biggie's
00:41:45
name yeah if if there were going to be an Elvis of rap you could put Tupac and Biggie as the 1A and 1B you know
00:41:53
depending on who you talk to that was the biggest guy that was the king of hip-hop alright so who was trying to get
00:42:00
at one of the Kings right who was trying to get at Tupac so in Philip's article he also alleges
00:42:07
that the main Mastermind behind Tupac's setup was that Jimmy the henchman guy remember we mentioned him earlier but he
00:42:16
has connections to Puff Daddy correct and and he it's it's Jimmy henchman Roseman is is what I I don't believe any
00:42:24
of that is his full real name um but basically I'm in the wrong business man it states that Phillips the
00:42:32
the writer of the article had arrived at this conclusion after years of delving into the incident he had talked to men
00:42:40
who he believed were directly involved in the shooting and had uncovered papers documenting uh the incident from an S an
00:42:48
FBI investigation whose findings coincide with what the article was stating now the the FBI talked to some
00:42:57
criminals according to these documents and these criminals said that Jimmy henchman was involved
00:43:05
um I do I do want to be clear here though because um it this they would later the Los
00:43:12
Angeles Times would later retract this article because I think they I things because they're afraid they're going to
00:43:19
get sued yeah because I think it came into question how he may have um uncovered some of this evidence and
00:43:27
where he received some of these documents from uh yeah yeah the rumor is this that he received him from a guy
00:43:35
that had told some stories in the past and might have forged some things in the past so when you receive documents from
00:43:42
this guy you gotta Wonder did he Forge these particular documents themselves right now years later we have this this
00:43:49
person Dexter Isaac um he he was serving life in prison without parole for multiple Martyrs and
00:43:57
and armed robberies apparently he was working on releasing a book detailing his life in New York City you know on
00:44:05
the streets of New York City right as a Hitman and as muscle for uh this Jimmy henchman Roseman guy that we've been
00:44:13
talking about uh so apparently Jimmy henchman at some point finds his way into prison as well serving quite a bit
00:44:21
of time maybe even life for drug trafficking money laundering and witness tampering so we're seeing a lot of too
00:44:27
bad puffy didn't go with them well we're seeing a lot of Bad Dudes uh that are rumored to have been involved in this
00:44:35
setup that Tupac was talking about it was interesting that he didn't want to cooperate with the police but but I know
00:44:41
that's that's different it's a different time and it's also a different uh lifestyle uh the attack the attack
00:44:48
itself went like this according to Dexter he says that Jimmy the henchman had approached him and some of his
00:44:55
associates and they ordered he ordered them to Rob Tupac when he got to the studio that evening Dexter says he was
00:45:03
paid two thousand five hundred dollars cash to carry this out Jimmy told Dexter not to shoot Tupac but to catch him by
00:45:12
surprise and pistol whip him and then kick him around for a little bit and take his big biggest diamond ring
00:45:20
Dexter said that he saw Puff Daddy immediately after that conversation he saw puff with Jimmy and stating that he
00:45:29
made eye contact with puffy all right so then he took him out to dinner and they
00:45:34
they made love all night what was the point he so he made eye contact with a Powder Puff Daddy well what I what I
00:45:42
think he's stating here is that he's saying you know I was hired to carry out this robbery to go attack Tupac
00:45:49
um and before we get too far into this I do want to mention there are some accounts out there we talked about Tupac
00:45:54
being shot five times there are some accounts according to certain witnesses that Tupac might have accidentally shot
00:46:01
himself once or twice during this altercation sorry right but but come on you're getting
00:46:10
attacked and then you pull a gun out and you end up shooting yourself like I said
00:46:14
you shouldn't be carrying a gun if that's what's gonna happen I don't know for certain but according to some
00:46:19
witnesses they think that he might have shot himself okay again okay we but but what does this have to do with puffy is
00:46:25
what you wanted to know yeah but the thing is is this is now the second altercation that we know of that he
00:46:30
pulls a gun on and there's accidental shootings right and again too 2 000 bucks hey I want you to go into the
00:46:38
studio and Rob Tupac I want you to get his biggest diamond ring I'll give you two grand two grand really it seems this
00:46:46
guy beats people up with baseball bats it seems a little light too for a guy that that was pretty vocal about always
00:46:52
carrying a gun or a firearm you know right I would assume if I were this Dexter Isaac but but then again this
00:47:00
decks or Isaac guy's serving life in prison so maybe he's not all there maybe the elevator doesn't go all the way up
00:47:06
or maybe he just don't give a [ __ ] right and the thing is did you just cuss for
00:47:11
the first time on the show we're breaking down once oh man we start talking about Biggie and Tupac
00:47:20
okay so let's get back to Powder Puff Daddy right okay so how does and if you can't tell I don't like him
00:47:27
um well this these are just statements according to this Dexter Isaac guy right so basically what he's saying is that
00:47:34
shortly after he's hired by Jimmy like just minutes after he's he we have this conversation he hires him to take out
00:47:42
this Attack On Tupac that he sees Puff Daddy with this same guy that just ordered it right meaning that the guy
00:47:49
that ordered it could be some kind of middle man for Puff Daddy um so basically you want to put it past
00:47:55
him though I want to put it past him well Dexter claims his claims basically kind of confirm what other people were
00:48:02
already believing at the time that Puff Daddy was at least aware of this plan now Dexter says that there's no way that
00:48:10
Biggie or any of Junior Mafia uh were there that night uh because he because he knew Puff Daddy right and uh he knew
00:48:20
when he went into the studio that none of these other dudes were around he sees Puff Daddy with this Jimmy guy that
00:48:26
night and that's that's what he said all right so Powder Puff Daddy is maybe the
00:48:31
go-between guy to order the hit is what you're saying right and then let's be clear I'm I'm a
00:48:37
big biggie fan I'm a big Tupac fan big biggie fan I think you can be fans of both I don't think you have to choose a
00:48:43
side here uh well I'm choosing a side that I don't like Powder Puff Daddy that's fine we'll we'll go with that
00:48:50
right um so but so he he goes and describes this incident in some detail um he says that the initial head wound
00:48:58
that uh Tupac suffered uh was because of Dexter's associate who he labels as JD uh he pistol whipped Tupac remember this
00:49:08
was part of Jimmy's request um and then he says that Tupac reached for his gun and they were wrestling for
00:49:16
the gun fighting for the gun for a while before Tupac could pull it out completely now the gun during this
00:49:23
course it goes off well maybe that's how he got hit yeah well and he Dexter believes that Tupac
00:49:31
and these are his words these are not scientific words here but he says that he says that the gun went off and he
00:49:39
shot himself in the nuts um well this is where remember how I said there's varying accounts of you know he
00:49:46
Pockets shot five times right and there's some witnesses that say that pox shot himself once some saying he shot
00:49:54
himself twice well according to Dexter he shot himself once if you shoot yourself in the nuts that's like
00:50:01
shooting yourself five times you right but again it's it's not a scientific thing he might have just shot
00:50:08
himself in the pants you know what I mean uh or or the Bullet went straight through the screen yeah I I don't think
00:50:14
that Dexter is sitting there analyzing the situation I think it's probably a pretty quick attack there's probably a
00:50:21
lot of confusion and then you run the hell out of there yeah he probably didn't say Tupac pulled down the drawers
00:50:26
let me see what happened but he says that Tupac wouldn't quit fighting uh that he wouldn't quit fighting back
00:50:31
which I think is what we would all expect um they were trying to take all of Tupac's jewelry and that they shot him
00:50:40
several times after this because he wouldn't quit fighting one because they're only being being paid 2 000
00:50:46
bucks but maybe the thing was ah we want you to Rob him and whatever you get you
00:50:50
can keep he he goes on to state that it was well that basically once Tupac was at the
00:50:59
hospital that Jimmy was willing to send somebody or somebody's there to the hospital to finish the job right and
00:51:08
according to this guy that some of some of Tupac's guys caught wind of this or heard this rumor from somebody or I
00:51:16
think it was phoned into them from somebody they called the police and said look our buddy our dude was he was
00:51:23
attacked he was shot several times he's in the hospital and we heard the rumor that the guys that that set him up the
00:51:30
guys that try to kill him well they're going to come to the hospital and finish the job well this yeah this happens all
00:51:36
the time I mean I used to work at a bank right beside of a a hospital and if there was a gang-related shooting and
00:51:44
there was somebody that got hit right and they were in recovery that they had to
00:51:52
um guard that you know for maybe possibly retaliation or whatever and I believe that that stuff totally goes down you
00:52:02
know that there's probably several attempts on people in certain situations but it seems very like Italian mob movie
00:52:11
to me right you know I mean like you see that in a lot of the Italian mob movies
00:52:15
so anyway they phone into the police that you know you've got to send some people over here because this guy is
00:52:22
going to get killed we're going to have an incident at the hospital and possibly
00:52:25
one of the reasons why Tupac didn't want to stay in the hospital well I think you're on to something there Captain
00:52:30
because the rumor is this that the police were basically like yeah we hear you we're understaffed we can't we can't
00:52:38
send anybody over there to guard the door or or whatever it was going to be well and also in their defense I mean
00:52:46
you know how many times Tupac talked [ __ ] about the cops and and songs or in interviews and stuff like that and then
00:52:53
look if you're going to talk mad [ __ ] about the cops like I'm talking mad [ __ ]
00:52:57
about you know uh Puff Daddy right but you don't expect to be invited to this pool party right but I'm not going to
00:53:03
call up Puff Daddy and say hey can you produce a song for me and and do some dumb dances in my videos I'm not gonna
00:53:10
do that well and like you said you know that's probably good reason why too you know I wandered I wondered this because
00:53:17
why does Puff Daddy dance like a idiot well that's a whole nother that's a whole nother episode that's a whole
00:53:24
nother crime but but the thing here is Captain you know what I heard was that Tupac's buddies
00:53:31
called in this information to the police and like you said about Tupac he was let's say outspoken okay he was a very
00:53:40
outspoken guy I always wondered even if the police had shown up to watch his room could you think of how possibly
00:53:47
uncomfortable that situation could have been for anybody you know could you see a police officer showing up to his room
00:53:54
and then Tupac giving that dude stuff right yeah it's giving him the business giving him the business but like you
00:54:01
said um that is is the rumor why Tupac probably left the hospital at the very first chance he could right out of fear
00:54:10
as early as he could run out the door he did against doctor's orders shortly after the surgery well right you were
00:54:16
just attacked by these people and you might not know who they are but now you're getting rumors and you might not
00:54:21
have any nuts left foreign I'm turning into the captain I think you we're all out of nuts oh God I think uh
00:54:34
I think I think we drank too much I think we we need to wrap this up pretty soon okay so where are we at well before
00:54:40
we do uh we you know we should mention after this Attack On Tupac after the attempt and I'm gonna call this uh this
00:54:47
is an attempt on his life in my opinion this is a murder attempt I don't care if
00:54:51
people say that we were just supposed to beat him I don't care what goes down once you get there uh no this is what
00:54:57
took place right you don't care what you're told to do what you care is what actually happened exactly so the thing
00:55:05
here is POC has to go back to court he's still waiting you know for the end of this trial on the sexual assault case
00:55:13
um you know he's in a wheelchair we talked about he and his Road manager Chris Fuller were both convicted of
00:55:19
first degree sexual abuse and now Tupac has this lengthy prison sentence and I say lengthy because the other charges he
00:55:27
had faced in the past he received you know 20-day sentence or 30 days sentence or things were settled out of court so
00:55:35
Tupac began serving his prison sentence on the sexual assault charges at the Clinton Correctional Facility this would
00:55:43
be in 1995. now shortly afterward uh he released his multi-platinum album me against the world everybody remembers
00:55:52
that one Tupac became the first artist to have an album at number one on the billboard billboard 200 chart while
00:56:00
serving a prison sentence so he's got that going for him all right good accomplishment well in October of 1995
00:56:08
Tupac his case is up for appeal at this time but because he has considerable legal fees he could not raise the this
00:56:18
is what I've been told 1.4 million dollar bail that's that's a whole lot of bail
00:56:24
so after serving nine months of his prison sentence uh Tupac is released do in large part to the help and
00:56:33
influence of a one Suge Knight right who was the CEO of Death Row Records he posted apparently he posted the 1.4
00:56:43
million dollar bail in exchange for Tupac signing a deal with Death Row Records right and this was all done and
00:56:51
this was all handwritten I think it was like maybe a three or four pages it was pretty goofy deal and it was actually uh
00:56:59
a three record deal yeah and from my understanding like you said Captain this was all pretty closed door Hush Hush
00:57:06
type stuff for a long time wasn't it like we'll we'll post your extremely high bail
00:57:11
in exchange you're signing a record deal with us that doesn't it doesn't seem like a real and I yeah I don't know off
00:57:17
the top of my head who death row was actually distributed by but they possibly were distributed by Interscope
00:57:24
and like you said um you know now this is binding Tupac to a three album deal with Death Row
00:57:32
Records and now Tupac was scheduled to be to uh be released from prison because of the influence of a one Suge Knight
00:57:40
who will will have to he's a whole nother he's a whole another character in himself that we'll have to get into in
00:57:46
tomorrow four characters in one yeah so just to clarify what I was talking about
00:57:50
before the label that he was on you know we talked about Tupac being on Interscope well the sub label of that
00:57:58
was Jive right and all this contract did was basically make the sub label now death row it was still under Interscope
00:58:05
Records but this this this contract he signed was I don't know I mean if he would have wanna fight it in court he
00:58:13
probably Coulda could have beat it well and I don't know the details of the contract but he was
00:58:20
like like we said at the time he's a number one you know he him and Biggie are the two biggest guys so if you have
00:58:27
a record label and you can get one of these dudes on your label you're going to become one of the biggest labels and
00:58:34
the thing here is it it might be because I would argue like you said he might be
00:58:39
able to beat it in court because you almost could argue that under duress he signed this unfair deal let's say
00:58:48
um yeah who knows the stipulations of it but it's yeah I don't think it was uh I
00:58:52
don't think it was like an unfair deal but he was already running around in that Circle
00:58:57
uh rappers anyways and and death row was already coming up I mean they had the biggest producer in the hip-hop world Dr
00:59:05
Dre uh stoop Dogg was getting big at the time so and they were all friends so I think I think also part of it too was
00:59:13
maybe for the protect for the protection of it Suge Knight being a gang member turned bodyguard turn record owner
00:59:21
record label owner so I think maybe he wanted to join first uh forces with them for security reasons I mean he was just
00:59:29
shot five times okay well we'll get into the the night in Vegas the famous night
00:59:33
in Vegas uh and we'll get into a bunch of theories you know regarding who took down Tupac who was involved uh all that
00:59:42
tomorrow well and we got to start off with the idea of is he dead or alive all right thanks everybody for listening
00:59:48
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