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while I guess at least the entirety of 2020 as we've been putting together great shows and great cases for the
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whole year every one of them was great that was we took a vote and everybody confirmed every one of the shows was
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absolutely great but you and I are going to talk about the ones that we enjoyed the most yeah we put out a poll and
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everybody said every episode was number one tied for number one some would say it
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was the best year we ever had some would say that um so today we're going to each talk about our top
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five our five favorite shows of this last year of the great year that was 2020. I like to think that you know
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about 15 20 years from now when we're sitting around and we're all very old and we're sipping our beer maybe we're
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drinking it through a straw at that point that we're gonna go hey you guys remember that year when we stayed inside
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and didn't go anywhere so that was nice that was nice and football was completely weird the
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Buckeyes are looking for their sixth Victory here in December all right without further Ado uh I'm I'm assuming
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we gave Carlos the day off he's not here to count us down no he's not here wait we gotta get we had to lay people
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off because of because of the covid we gotta talk to him and see if we can get him back in the garage for 2021. said he
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will not work for free all right Captain here is my number five for best of 2020
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the responsible side of me said to go with the I-70 killer because it's such a fascinating mystery where did the killer
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go why did he start abruptly and then stop abruptly but the Fanboy side of me went with our mind
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Hunter John Douglas episodes this would be episodes 4 45 and 446 from November from just last month of this year I went
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with this because it's no secret the colonel loves John Douglas I his books are fantastic I've been a fan of his
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career and everything that he has done and the interesting thing that we had with this year's episodes and this
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year's interview with him one we've been very lucky to interview John Douglas at all right I mean he is
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the top named in true crime in my opinion in this in this form of infotainment that we do yeah if not the
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top name at least in the top five of top names correct I mean we've talked to Paul holes he's fascinating he's he's
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considered one of the big names he's fascinating he's handsome he's very handsome that's right and he's
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passionate about all the unsolved cases out there and I love hearing Paul talk about the Delphi case he's one of the
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top names we've met Nancy Grace top mom sometimes she is is such a delightful person and an incredibly funny and
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Charming she's one of the top names but for me I think the top name is John Douglas so I've been lucky to interview
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him he spoke with us last year and last year it was like okay please stick to the book that's coming out that's the
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killer across the table and he doesn't do very many shows so when he did our little garage show and
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and then agreed to do it a second time I thought well either either we fooled him or he likes
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the garage so this time he just said oh he's drunk Nick you guys come up with whatever you want to talk about right so
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he walks into this interview no idea what random questions the colonel is going to throw at him we talked about
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everything from uh the Zodiac to JonBenet Ramsey to The West Memphis Three I just peppered him with questions
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all these old cases cases that he worked as an FBI agent or cases that he worked
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as a consultant after he retired some cases he just looked into for the media's perspective yeah he only had one
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requirement was there's no Captain [Laughter] the table's not big enough for the both
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of us Captain he likes the captain but yeah I I was just such a pleasure to have John Douglas on the show again and
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it was it it just made my day made my whole week in fact to hear him say hey I'd like to come on again next year so
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we're hoping to have Mr Douglas the Mind Hunter on again next year in 2021. come
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on just think about it all those years ago sitting in the hot garage laptop I think
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the laptop fan was going a million miles a minute sweat dripping down we had two mics but
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only one of them was nice if I would have told you after that episode hey guess what
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a couple years from now you're gonna interview John Douglas twice you would have been like you must be
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really drunk this episode I would have said I am you're a liar yeah so that's my number five there boys
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and girls mind Hunter John Douglas episodes 4 45 and 446 if you've not checked those out because some some
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people do not dig the interview shows I get that they want more of the storytelling with a new case
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if you have followed the Zodiac JonBenet West Memphis Three I can't even think of all the cases we talked about
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we talked about so many monitor if you like Silence of the Lambs if you like red dragon
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that's right he gave us a little insight into the Mind Hunter season three as well uh so yeah thereof correct so check
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check that out uh if you enjoy any of those old cases my number five is I guess self-serving because
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the more I went over the list of shows for 2020 I kept on going back to the fact that the the Hi-Fi murders
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to me that might have been my best theme music all year so I had to put that on the list high five Murders episodes
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402 and 403 and anybody with the Stitcher app that wants to go back and listen to some of these older ones they
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have the ability to do that if you don't have the Stitch wrap you get it for free
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and check out these old episodes the Hi-Fi case is a very interesting one it's it's a spoiler alert if you've not
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listened it's a solved case but the police work the investigation is very interesting
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the the brutality of the crime is horrific yeah and really at the end of the day it was thought to be
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that it was just some goons that were looking to steal some very expensive stereo equipment
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and they're going to go in and Rob this stereo store take all of the the expensive equipment that they have but
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it turns ugly very very quickly it's a it's a horrific case thank God that it's solved but a
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very interesting one and it gives it it gives you the perspective of a very violent crime and a very thorough
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investigation that followed along with the trials and such that took place that will bring me to my number
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four there Captain I went with Taylor Robinson this was a case that we were asked to be
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involved into shine a spotlight on this case Taylor Robinson was a 19 year old Kent State
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student she was studying to be a nurse and worked as a home health care aide Taylor was known as a kind person who
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volunteered at church and worked with special needs children just a fantastic person somebody that we need we need
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more people like Taylor Robinson in this world one night in May of 2013 her mother dropped her off at work she was
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working at a house and she would stay overnight to watch a special needs child the mother of the child was at work and
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the next morning when Taylor's mom went to the house to pick her up Taylor wasn't there the mother of the child who
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arrived home shortly before yells at Taylor's mom because she's like you know where is your daughter she left my my
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child home alone all night long Taylor's mother explains that she dropped Taylor
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off that she was there she's as concerned as as the patient's mother is Taylor's coat and shoes were left at the
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house there's no sign of Taylor so immediately her mother and her family they know something terrible has
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happened and it wasn't until four months later that bones were found at the Cuyahoga Valley National Park this is 15
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miles away from where Taylor was working that night her clothing was found within a mile of
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her remains she was found in a heavily wooded area and a heavily wooded part of the park
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this is an area that would not be easily accessible by vehicle when we covered this case captain and we pretty much
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laid out for everyone what happened that night and without naming names we we were not given the ability by law
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enforcement to name names here in this particular case but they have pretty much narrowed it down to two people
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either one of these individuals was involved in her murder and more importantly the disposal of her remains
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because she would not have been easy to move to the location where she was found
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so they actually believe that two people were involved in the I hate to say this the cleanup of the
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murder itself and getting rid of Taylor's Body and we were asked to get involved and Spotlight this case it's
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one that's near and dear to my heart so I put it at number four on my list and as a reminder anybody in Northeast Ohio
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let me know if this came true because the rumor was last year when we covered it that soon they were
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going to be putting up billboards with Taylor Robinson's face and her name and information on there to help bring more
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awareness to the cause and to her case her unsolved case one that is now what I would deem a Cold Case
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I don't know if that happened or not you know the 2020 has been wacky and wild so
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a lot of things have not come to fruition but if anybody's seen those Billboards please email me let me know I
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would love to know if those are up and just a quick reminder too if anybody has any information even if this is stuff
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you've been holding on to for years and and haven't been able to tell anybody we
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have a gentleman that you can reach out to Tim demoff he's with the sacs Consulting he's been working with
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Taylor's family to solve this case he can be reached it 330-730-3524 or by email at tademoff at
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s a c s consulting.com all right number four on my list is Mara Murray the Julie
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Murray interview those that's episode 368 and 369. and I think it's because well one it's the first long form
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interview that she's pretty much ever done and then they the family wanted to use
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the interview to put on their website for people that are looking into their sister their daughters their family
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members case Mara Murray being a girl that disappeared in 2004 her case has really become one of the most famous
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cases on the internet for people to dive into so I think the reason why I like it
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is the idea that we're adding to an investigation we're adding something to the True Crime Community it wasn't just
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our take on possibly what happened uh we were working with their family to get an
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interview where Julie would be able to talk openly about her sister and that kind of just gives you a better profile
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of the victim it was a fascinating interview and I know you and her go well kind of way back bit of friends so it
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was very interesting to listen in on what is an interview but also just generally a conversation and about
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Mara's case and some of it really cleared a few things up too I believe that we're just
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things that were misconstrued over the years about Mara her personality her her characteristics and the case itself so
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it was a fascinating look and I think you're right I think it did very much add something to the True Crime
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landscape for that case in particular my number three captain we're moving right along here I went with Jabez span
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this is a case that we covered in January episodes number 366 and 367. this case is eerily similar to
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Taylor Robinson's case that we covered in June of last year that was episode 406 and 407 if I failed to mention that
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earlier but jabez's case is eerily similar in a sense that police pretty much know who did this or or have a good
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idea of who was involved to the point where they have the names of these yahoos that committed this crime and we
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came under some fire because I I must have said the word thugs about a thousand times during those episodes but
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I don't know if there's a better term to label people that that kill others in the streets and then abduct a child
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I mean we're talking about people that are out committing crimes constantly and then they're committing murders to cover
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up their other crimes and that's what these individuals are and the the Sarasota Police Department desperately
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needs help in jabez's case which also is very much involved with several other homicides that they have out there
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they've been able to close some other cases that are that are connected to jabez's case but they still need help
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we're talking about Jabez our victim here he was 14 years old when he disappeared on Labor Day
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in 2017 he was last seen at a candlelight vigil in Sarasota just two blocks away from his home now
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witness Saul Jabez with two other boys around one in the morning and he disappeared within an hour or two of
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that sighting it was January of 2020 when we covered it and that was roughly about a year since his
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skeletal remains were found he had been missing from his home since September of 2017. his mom and
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grandmother and family were just destroyed and devastated by him having God missing and then of course years
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later they find his remains and that was from a a press conference that took place in February
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of 2019 when the Sarasota police and the Manatee County Sheriff's Office reported
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that a man working a fence line in a rural part of Manatee County found the remains of of just 14 year old Jabez
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Spann a a kid with a beautiful smile look he was a teenager he wasn't a saint neither was I when I was 14 years old
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but he had his whole life ahead of him and I think chabez would have went on to do some great things and this really
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stinks because it's the murder of a child but also the murder to cover up other homicides and other crimes in a
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particularly bad area of what is a good Community what is a good area Sarasota Florida the police say that they are
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still asking for anyone who has any information again they know who did this they just need some evidence and they
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need to build cases against these individuals that's right plural individuals you we need to get these
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people off of the streets because they're a danger to everyone in that community
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they need people to come forward the reward money for information leading to an arrest in jabez's case I believe
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believe is up as high as fifty thousand dollars and people can submit tips anonymously to Crime Stoppers down there
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at 941-366-8477 or you can reach out to the Sarasota Police Department just a word to the wise something we've
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talked about plenty of times on True Crime garage if you do have information and you are willing to come forward in
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any case at all if you call Crime Stoppers it's Anonymous to the point where you
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cannot even leave your name or any of your information they do not want it so if you want to be contacted if you want
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to be involved if you think that there is more help that you can provide at a later date a later time
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called the police department and make sure that you give the tip to them directly ask to speak with the detective
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involved the Sarasota Police Department in this case is the investigating agency
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their number is 941-366-8000 I'm sure if you really wanted to leave your information you'd
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be able to figure it out well good luck I mean I've I've contacted Crime Stoppers in the past and I've insisted
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on leaving my information and they they will not take uh personal information no
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it's sad and uh 2021 cleaning house that's what we'll be doing if you're listening to a show and you and and
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individuals take a 14 year old and kill him and dispose of his body because he witnessed the murder another murder
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so they murder him to cover up that murder we'll call those individuals whatever the [ __ ] we want to well and
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there's there's rumor too and some suggestion that they may have even held Jabez for a period of time before before
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the homicide and before disposing of of the the body I just I'm so tired you can
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you just called them thugs well the captain probably called him pieces of [ __ ] too and and we won't get emails
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about that but we get some silly emails sometimes and you just think they killed
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a 14 year old boy about what label we give them you're worried about what label we gave the murderers
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hmm interesting yeah that's where I say focus on the victims focus on the crime and let's uh let's do our part to help
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rather than just be speed bumps along the way but that was jabez's case and we covered that back in January of 2020.
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interesting case it was one that that of course that we're passionate about and that's why it's on my list but also
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interesting from the perspective of yet another case where we worked with the private investigator this is an
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interesting case where the the private investigator usually they work with the family with family members of victims in
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this case they worked for basically the community they worked with the family obviously
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but they worked with law enforcement and worked with the community as a whole and
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one thing that we were really pounding our fist on the table when we when we covered jabez's case is that is what
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this case is it's a crime against that Community against that family against Jabez of course but in this case very
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very much a crime against the community as a whole all right my number three is a series we did called Shaker Heights
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again pat on the back because it was a excellent theme song excellent and if people don't know well
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go back and listen uh to that theme and and listen for the Shaker the shaker that's the best part the Rump Shaker
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listen for the Rump Shaker I think it's because it was different I think the case is very fascinating obviously it's
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not solved in some people's eyes solved in other people's eyes but I think it was just working with
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with everybody from Bob Ruff to Tim from the missing Mara Murray working with Maggie James Renner a bunch of other
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True Crime people just to try something different we had the transcripts of these interviews that took place and we
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tried to lay out the story in a different manner than we normally do and also just let the transcripts speak for
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themselves we didn't go hey this is what we think you should think which a lot of people
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out there and went wait wait a second I'm used to you telling me what you think you forgot to do this in that
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series so um people have requested you know that we cover the case our typical way our normal form but I
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think it was just I mean it was a very long process between recording to other people and then
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editing those all together and tweaking everybody's vocals to try to make them sound similar to little sound effects if
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if you listen closely you'll hear like fax machines and stuff going off in the background during uh some of the
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interviews or the interrogation so it was just kind of a different project and it was definitely a different project it
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was kind of like a I mean it was a radio drama of how a case a real life case unfolded and one thing that I think is
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unique and will take everybody behind the curtain here for a little bit but obviously it was it was fun for us
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because we got to work with a lot of the friends that we've made along the way in
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our true crime podcasting Adventure here but we started working on that that show
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the actual production of Shaker Heights which was six episodes that came out in February but we started working on that
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in our free time in our extra time after already working on our each case week after week in October of 2019. so it was
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very much a long process for the colonel and the captain but it was fun along the
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way and it was um we had to have a little party a little two-man garage party when it was
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finally completed because it was it was a lot of hard work went into putting that together
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[Music] thank you [Music] [Music] all right we're back cheers mates let the good time let the good times roll
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let the good times roll let the good times roll in 2020. cheers to you Captain cheers from I'm a whole County
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away we are playing it safe that's how you you social distance you you stay County counties away at minimum we're
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both wearing our mask minimum of 15 miles apart in all directions from anybody who's living and breathing that
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goes for our furry friends as well so long distance cheers to you my friend number two we are just blazing right
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through our list blazing through all of 2020 burning that bridge right that gives us number two on the kernels list
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I went with the Evansdale murders this was episodes 3 30 I'm sorry 393 and 394 back
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in April this was the case of cousins lyric cook 10 years old and Elizabeth Collins eight
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years old they were riding their bikes on a Friday afternoon in July of 2012. their grandmother
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is believed to be the last one or one of the last people to have seen the young girls on that day and this would have
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been around 12 20 p.m in the afternoon they went off riding their bikes near Myers Lake in Evansdale Iowa
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where they were seen for the last time five months later their bodies were recovered at Seven
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Bridges Park 25 miles away from the abduction site and to this day the killer their killer
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or Killers remain at large this made it onto my list Captain because it had all of the elements that I think it takes to
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one cover a case in its most thorough and almost thorough ability but also a case that has enough meat on
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the bone that that you can you can start to formulate theories and suspects and speculation in your own mind this is a
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perfect armchair detective case we we laid out the mapping of where they would have been at the abduction time we also
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laid out possibilities of who could be involved or the type of person that would be involved or who had the ability
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to abduct two girls at that time of day in that area and we went through the offender profile of the of the believe
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Defender and so this is a case that again still unsolved after we covered it you know we covered
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it in April don't know if we got to this on off the Record or not for those of you unfamiliar with off the Record if
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there's an update on a case if if we get some new information on a case that's generally where we put that new
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information so one one thing that I when I first got into True Crime be it on TV
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or podcast one thing that I didn't like is rarely not most shows did never they never went and Revisited a case even
00:31:53
years after the fact and when when the captain and I said we were going to do True Crime we said you know what we're
00:31:59
going to cover these cases we're going to try to go more in depth than most shows and we're going to try to bring
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you some tidbit of information that you may not hear anywhere else but it's true
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and factual and it's important to the case but we're going to take it a step further
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and when we have new information we're going to make sure that we bring it back to the audience and remind them hey this
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case is still unsolved but here's a little new nugget that just came out be it from the area the media or law
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enforcement themselves after we covered it and I don't I'm not there's no belief
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that it's because we covered it but it doesn't hurt that we helped shine a light on this unsolved case double
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homicide that in July of 2020 they were interviewing family about the case and this is uplifting to hear
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one of the family members said I think that it will be solved soon now of course we're sitting here five months
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later and we know that it is yet to be solved but that should still be uplifting and optimistic for everybody
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out there because a lot of times in some of these cases we hear family members or
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people in the community going yeah I don't think the police have a clue or yeah I think they stopped working this
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case I can't believe they haven't solved it that's not what they're saying here in this Evansdale case we have positive
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thinking we have positive uh response and saying I think it will be solved soon I'm hoping it will be it was
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interesting too because so many people have tied this case I don't know if they're connected or not but we did
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certainly talk about the possibility a lot of people have tied this case because it has some similarities to the
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Delphi murders case so it was it was perfect and we didn't really plan this out Geniuses people
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think we might be or as genius they're as dumb as people think we might be um I don't think we planned this out but
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it was It was kind of perfect that we followed up the Evansdale murders our coverage of their case the following
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week we did the Delphi murders discussion episode uh because there was a lot of rumors and stuff in the Delphi
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case and a quick little reminder for again Evansdale case anyone with information still unsolved you can email
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our missing Iowa girls at dps.state dot i a DOT u s yeah that was a fascinating case there there were so
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many looking back looking back and going well that was a fascinating case but was
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it one of my favorites and um it's not easy to put these lists together right it's not easy to take a look back on a
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whole year and just narrow it down to five shows I thought the the liko Kenny case was very fascinating I thought our
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interview with Bob Ruff about West Memphis Three was really good but also I think it's sometimes for us when when
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it's looking back it could be as simple as well I I like the work I did on that show our list
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would be very skewed compared to a listener's list yeah yeah the listeners well that's why people can hop on the
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blog and type up your your favorite five for the year so we could see them there's like thousands of people right
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now going this is the dumbest list of 2020 I've ever heard the stick around these are not there
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this is not this this no I think my top and you know what who cares this is this
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is my list and you got your list and I I'm not gonna lie to you Captain I was beating myself up pretty bad I was like
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I was going through all of 2020 trying to make the hard decisions trying to narrow it down to five but then I had to
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remind myself I'm like you know what this is just my list the captain is going to have his own list and I was
00:36:05
actually hoping that you would have different cases than what I had so that it would it automatically expands it to
00:36:13
10. for for all of us so so far uh without comparison we we did not sit down in advance and compare list here we
00:36:23
I have no idea what the captain's going to say as usual um so it's so far we've we've not hit on
00:36:30
any of the same cases what would your no bumpy bumpy flicky what was your number two Captain number
00:36:39
two and this is uh this is the moment when I realized last night when I was going over my list and double checking
00:36:46
it is I I think I I used to say I didn't care so much for Gore I don't think that's true anymore and I don't know if
00:36:57
that's I maybe that's how it's always been it's never really bothered me to talk
00:37:03
about like somebody could talk about a severed head and I I go okay and I think it's because I don't picture it I'm just
00:37:13
in the conversation so I think some people when they start talking about his hand was cut off or whatever I don't
00:37:21
picture it so it doesn't bother me so much where other people will hear graphic natured cases and uh it turns
00:37:32
them off and and some people can't listen to that and I respect that if that's not your thing so number two
00:37:39
is the ice box murders episode 443 and 4 444. those are recent episodes that we just did but it's very graphic
00:37:51
but there's also a lot of twists and turns yes it's a fascinating case and again it's another one of those cases
00:37:59
where it's technically unsolved but police are pretty certain who they believe did the double homicide and then
00:38:08
fled the area afterward but yeah it's a it's a fascinating case and some people have really put forward some interesting
00:38:17
theories and speculation in that case which leads you to some other Mysteries um Big Time Mysteries we should well and
00:38:26
I think this is the one where you were saying if if somebody's eating and it's like look if you turn on
00:38:33
a true crime podcast while you're eating that's on you right you made that decision I can't put
00:38:43
that on anymore we've done 400 and some episodes you kind of know what you're going to get so if you if you got that
00:38:50
turkey on rye put it into your mouth don't blame me yes my number one is and this is simply because one I
00:39:02
think the episodes themselves were were good and great and put together very well the storytelling Pat myself on the
00:39:09
back I thought I did a great job Captain was fantastic but more so it's about the
00:39:15
mystery this is a big time mystery for me this is one that keeps me up at night and when we dove into this case I
00:39:23
couldn't shake it for weeks and weeks and weeks I'm talking about the Las Cruces bowling alley Massacre which
00:39:30
occurred in Las Cruces New Mexico on February 10th of 1990. seven people were shot four were
00:39:38
shot fatally by two unidentified robbers at the Las Cruces bowling alley which is
00:39:46
on East Amador Avenue after they shot the victims robbed the place they set the building on fire well attempted to
00:39:55
burn down the entire building but started the fire in in the office where they shot the victims prior to the two
00:40:03
robbers leaving the building now these guys were spotted by several people so we have a good description of of what
00:40:11
the the offenders what the murderers look like but here we are 30 years later and it's still unsolved now this was the
00:40:21
case that we covered in it was on June 30th and July 1st and it was episode 409 of 410 Unsolved Mysteries and I'm
00:40:30
talking not the Netflix version I'm talking the original version with with the the king of True Crime TV Robert
00:40:39
Stack you know they covered this case way back when and what was very interesting was they covered it in a
00:40:46
very short four or five minute segment and it was simply because the case had just happened in February and I think
00:40:54
they released it like April the first week of April of that same year and it was really just Unsolved
00:41:01
Mysteries was a Big Show at the time lots of ratings reaching out to everyone across the United States and even Beyond
00:41:09
and they were really just trying to find the individuals that did this so Unsolved Mysteries put together a short
00:41:15
segment about the crimes themselves and as as cheesy as some of those reenactments can be on different shows
00:41:23
and they were a little cheesy on the Unsolved Mysteries one it was still horrific to watch I mean it was it right
00:41:30
this was a case that just shook me to the Core and so for that reason and many other
00:41:36
reasons that's why it's my number one but I was thinking about this after I put my list together and we talk about
00:41:43
Unsolved Mysteries Netflix has done two seasons I need to get caught up Captain I haven't watched any of the I think it
00:41:51
might be like a season and a half okay I don't know I haven't got this technically too yeah I haven't got to
00:41:57
summon what they're calling the volume two I guess I haven't got to some of the stories yet in volume two but I think
00:42:05
that this would be a fascinating case for Unsolved Mysteries Netflix to cover like like I said Unsolved Mysteries
00:42:12
covered this in just a short four or five minute segment back in the day this is a case that you could do long form
00:42:18
they could do one of their 45 minute or hour long segments on this case there are some very interesting theories and
00:42:28
speculation as said the offenders were seen by several people well this is also known a hugely popular case and what's
00:42:37
been good about the new Unsolved Mysteries is they've been covering cases that haven't been covered a hundred
00:42:45
times by other sources that's correct so for them to go back to uh something that
00:42:51
they try to shine light on so many years ago and then to revisit it again a case
00:42:57
that's not brought up by a hundred different sources yeah so my number one for 2020 I'm going to go with Las Cruces
00:43:04
bowling alley Massacre yeah a lot of people in that case um a lot of people from that area wrote
00:43:12
into us to let us know some different local theories and a lot of people believe that the owner got
00:43:19
into some he was kind of like famously known for gambling so the community eventually I
00:43:27
think kind of just chalked it up to the idea that well this guy was a massive Gambler and he probably didn't pay
00:43:34
somebody and this is their revenge or the drugs were at the heart of it we had the weird situation where the owners the
00:43:42
bowling alley's owner's son was involved with some shady characters and involved
00:43:47
with drugs himself so there's some very interesting theories very plausible theories as well one thing we did and
00:43:55
one thing that I was pretty proud of in our coverage of Las Cruces Bowl was I I can't say that we definitively
00:44:03
linked the bowling alley Massacre to another crime but we linked it to another crime that there's a lot of
00:44:12
similarities and there's a lot of Reason to Believe whoever committed this previous crime was involved in in the
00:44:20
later crime at the Las Cruces Bowl yeah I think it's interesting with these towns where
00:44:27
a big crime takes place like the Pike County murders were were pretty close to Adams County
00:44:36
and a lot of my friends that live down there and I I used to work down there but it's interesting to have
00:44:43
such a horrific crime happen and that the the community around uh the crime comes up with multiple possible
00:44:53
solutions or possible I guess the way possible story lines of of why it played out uh the way it did and how it played
00:45:04
out the way it did and then they can almost move on but until they do that because like I said a lot of friends
00:45:12
from that area I had peop friends that could not stop talking about it but once they came up with their own Theory it
00:45:19
was like old news to them then obviously later the truth comes out and it was none of the theories that they were
00:45:26
bringing to my attention but it's almost like they had to be able to wrap their head around it before they can move on
00:45:32
with their own lives and I think that's what I saw by getting so many emails the
00:45:37
the emails that we got from the local people were fascinating because there's also theories on where these two
00:45:44
individuals may have gone after committing this crime because we have the descriptions of them their faces
00:45:51
were plastered everywhere in that area so it's very hard to believe that they would be able to stick around and remain
00:45:58
in the area and then still go undetected all right best of 2020. let's go over the list real quick how about you go
00:46:08
over yours real quick okay so mine were in order from from five down to one number five mind Hunter John Douglas
00:46:17
episodes 4 45 and 446. Taylor Robinson is my number four from June of 2020 episode 406 and 407 Jabez span
00:46:30
from January episodes 366 and 367 and then at number two I had the Evansdale murders this is the double homicide we
00:46:40
covered in an April episode 393 394. and my number one was the Las Cruces bowling alley Massacre from episodes 409
00:46:52
and 410. all right number five for me was Hi-Fi murders episode 402 and 403 number four was Mar Murray interview
00:47:03
with Julie Murray episode 368 and 369 number three Shaker Heights series I don't know what that is off the top of
00:47:14
my head I know we did we put that out in February if you just go and search Shaker Heights True Crime garage it pops
00:47:21
up number two the ice box Murders episodes 443 and 444 number one and this is how I know it's number one
00:47:34
of best of 2020. best of 2020 I have mine hunter so it's the only episode that repeats on our top five
00:47:47
lists yes it's number five for you it's number one for me but because there's a crossover that means it's number one
00:47:54
there we go it's settled 2020. but for me because I wasn't even really a part of the episode I mean I did the intros
00:48:02
and the outros and I probably read the the commercials or whatever I got a nice email the guy said you're really good
00:48:10
when you just read the commercials you dumb dumb I he goes no no I got another one that says I really like when you sit
00:48:18
there and you shut your mouth and then you read the commercials you dumb dumb I was like oh I love you too
00:48:26
haters gonna hate but yeah mind Hunter and I think because one I had to edit the interview
00:48:33
and so normally you start cutting out the US and the uh you know weird noises that people make and John makes a lot of
00:48:42
them because there's so much information in his head that he's sifting through and I think I edited like two or three
00:48:50
minutes and then I went back and listened to it and it made absolutely no sense and all I was editing out was us and uh
00:49:01
you know noises really so then I just went he this doesn't make any sense I just have to kind of keep it
00:49:08
the way it is but what I thought was so cool being a part of the show and and starting the show years ago in your
00:49:16
garage and and sweating and sweat dripping on notes I remember one time looking down at my notes but I couldn't
00:49:24
read them because the sweat made the ink smear everywhere the old hot garage but
00:49:32
I think with all this time passing and so many years of doing this show there's multiple times in the episode
00:49:41
again where John Douglas is sifting through tons of information thousands and thousands of
00:49:49
cases he's covered or read about or just maybe had to talk about in an interview
00:49:54
and sometimes when he gets stuck on a name he would defer to you Nick what's the
00:50:02
guy's name and again something so small but by like the third time he did it you realize
00:50:12
well this guy is um having a conversation with the crispiest of the kernels he's
00:50:23
having a conversation eye to eye if that makes any sense and he was deferring to
00:50:29
you and to think about where we started and the hours that we have spent talking about
00:50:37
crime to hear somebody like John Douglas basically talking to you as if you guys
00:50:43
were equals it was neat to experience it was almost like watching your buddy go take batting practice at like Wrigley
00:50:52
Field or something and and a hit in a home run or something why why they're doing a batting practice and maybe I
00:50:59
enjoyed it too because I wasn't on the episode well I think some things that were so great about
00:51:05
just that conversation with John first off I did have somebody approach me and they said um
00:51:12
John Douglas that guy yeah he's fascinating but he he says uh uh a lot and I I said I had to inform the person
00:51:21
he said well you do understand Mr Douglas is not a TV personality he's not someone who spent his life studying
00:51:30
broadcasting or someone who is on TV week after week he's a real life FBI agent who's now retired and he's willing
00:51:40
to talk about his career in cases that he has actually worked and so when you hear those us I liken it to you know
00:51:49
when we were little kids Captain people had these Encyclopedia Britannica where you had volume after volume and if you
00:51:58
looked at it on a bookshelf it usually took up the entire shelf and you would have a volume for a all the way through
00:52:05
to Z and then there was a a book full of maps and and geography and other things
00:52:10
so we're talking 30 books big in the collection and it covered darn near everything you could think of I think of
00:52:21
John Douglas as a walking real life crime encyclopedia and those us you are hearing that's him mentally
00:52:31
verbally flipping through the pages in his mind of cases that he's worked and you have to keep in mind too there's
00:52:39
probably a lot of stuff along the way that he's not allowed to talk about but he witnessed it he saw it he experienced
00:52:46
it he worked it and he has to remind himself when he goes through some of those cases of the things he can and
00:52:54
cannot say so that's him kind of sifting it out in real life in real time yeah John Douglas is a has square and he
00:53:02
smells better better than old books but yeah he's kind of like a walking encyclopedia my my family was so poor
00:53:09
that you would have to make payments so we had a and b but we never got past that
00:53:16
so it was we had encyclopedia a and then B and then we stopped making the payments and so every time uh we had to
00:53:25
do a report I tried to pick a subject that was a or b yeah well in so if you have any questions and the the question
00:53:34
involves anything that starts with the letter A or B Captain is your go-to guy anything after forget about it
00:53:41
I forget about it I'm I'm a walking two book Encyclopedia set well and the other thing I want to that's the other
00:53:50
thing I want to point out too with with that interview with with John Douglas that
00:53:56
maybe well not maybe but people wouldn't know this we did not supply him any questions in advance he he didn't yeah
00:54:05
this is off the top yeah he didn't ask for any questions in advance some sometimes the interviews we do they want
00:54:11
questions in advance or they say this is the topic and the only topic that we can
00:54:16
talk about no when we talked to John Douglas this last time he said ask me anything about anything so he walked
00:54:23
into that completely blind completely unprepared to know what questions we were going to talk about what cases we
00:54:30
were going to talk about and just fascinating the the answers that he supplied to to us and the listeners out
00:54:37
there but yeah good list I want to thank everybody for supporting us this year and look sometimes
00:54:48
we make mistakes during the episode sometimes we're not on our game right and and I don't
00:54:55
mind when people call us out for that I don't mind people sending emails saying hey you said this
00:55:02
and and that term is bad towards this group of individuals right I don't have any I don't have any problem with people
00:55:12
pointing out areas where I can learn and to grow and I think that's one of the reasons why we've been doing this so
00:55:20
many years is I feel like we continue to grow and we continue to get better we're always trying to fight the good
00:55:28
fight for the victims of the case yeah bringing awareness to unsolved cases and keeping these stories alive and keeping
00:55:37
them in the in the thoughts of everyone out there and you can do your part by like the captain says not just listening
00:55:45
but telling a friend telling someone else hey maybe it's not telling them hey I love the garage hey I love True Crime
00:55:52
garage check out this show but maybe it's hey did you know this unsolved murder or this cold case took place here
00:55:59
in in our state or our hometown and it was years ago that that helps as well keeping the cases alive that's what
00:56:08
we're hoping to do and bring a little bit of an entertainment along the way so your list Captain fascinating my list
00:56:18
even better but um go to truecrimegarage.com let us know what your favorite show of 2020 was for
00:56:26
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