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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] so I had this fantastic phone call the
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other day Captain I talked to a guy named Bill Thomas who is somebody that we've mentioned on our show we talked
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about him during the Colonial Parkway Murders episodes MH because he is the brother of Kathleen Thomas who was one
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of the uh female victims in the first attack what is considered to be the first attack and first off I have to say
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man it was weird cuz Bill and I traded some emails back and forth um just kind of little friendly chitchat emails back
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and forth cuz he runs the Facebook page for the Colonial Parkway murders so like
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if you want to know more about that case than what we covered that's where you go
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because Bill is like the expert on this case not only not only is he a victim's Advocate and a family member of a victim
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but he's an expert on this case so I thought hey I'll reach out to him just to see what's doing right and he he he
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was interested in coming on the show in advance and so things didn't you know don't always work out TimeWise yeah I
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heard he Al he he also doesn't like the captain no that's joking I actually you know what's weird is um well not weird
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but he doesn't like you he likes me I would hard be I would think it would be hard to find too many people that bill
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does not like he was like the nicest guy super super funny super intelligent dude
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and but what was great was you know I told him I said look first of all this is a big case I don't know how we're
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going to jam it all into just two episodes yeah we we kind of talked later that it probably should have been four
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episodes and I think you know he agreed with me and I said so here's let's do this why don't you listen to our
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coverage of it and if it's like terrible if it's great if it's mediocre whatever
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if you want to chat we'll chat after the fact you know I I want to hear what you
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have to say I was looking forward to talking with him and so I get the phone call and he goes uh
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he goes hey Nick I want to apologize to you this is what I'm talking about this is the nicest guy this is the first time
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we ever speak on the phone and he's right out the door he's coming out with an apology yeah and I said uh okay Bill
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what's what are you sorry for and he says I was at crime con and I was meaning to go over and say hi to you and
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the captain and I never did and I said well that bastard well I you know he was there there on on part of his sister and
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the other victims uh in this case and he was there highlighting this case and putting the spotlight on the Colonial
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Parkway murders yeah because he was involved in a documentary that came out last year regarding that and I found it
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interesting out of all the people there to go talk to that he wanted to come over and say hi to us so I thought you
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know this guy's Bill's awesome and I told him I said look man one thing that I hate about crime con okay this is
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going to oh God there we go this is a good thing this is a good thing to hate okay so when you and I are there mhm we
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have to work work Network whatever you want to call it we we hang out in podcasters row and we are there at
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certain times we are told to be there at certain times so we get to meet everybody that we love and want to meet
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and you know anybody that come to Nashville that wanted to see Nick in the captain there were opportunities to do
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so yeah that's Our obligation we sign up and there's certain times of the day that we have to be in certain location
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and that's that's the deal well and then to to up it a notch we even did like some meet and greets and some meetups at
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different times as well that were not you know technically a part of crime con it was a little bonus you know if you
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wanted to hang out after hours or something get a beer that kind of thing so but I told Bill I said the thing I
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hate about crime con is this crime con is something that I would go to as as a listener or as a reader or as somebody
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that watches True Crime on TV right true crime nut right it's something that I would want to attend now I'm there to
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work so I don't have I don't have a lot of time to go around and check out every
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exhibit every appearance that's made every presentation and bills was one that I really wanted to see that you
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know when I got the schedule I went through and I highlighted a handful of things each day that I'm like this is
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can't miss this is can't miss don't miss it guess what we got there we worked our
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butts off I missed half of that stuff well and the other problem though too is that there's so much Afterparty stuff
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like every night is just drinking and having such a great time that to wake up the next morning sometimes a little
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little more difficult in our old age so he apologized for not saying hi to us I apologize for us not having said hi to
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him and he said look um got a project that I'm working on can't really talk about it but there's a good chance that
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I will be at the next crime Con in New Orleans next year and I said look I got a couple projects that me and the
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captain are working on I can talk about them because it's true crime garage and off the Record and everybody already
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knows about it and we're hoping that that means that there's a good chance that we're at crime con next year as
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well so we agreed we agreed that uh there would be a sitting down a meeting of the minds uh to have a drink and talk
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about this case a little bit more but well we like the cut of his jib that's right right and I tell you what the the
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thing here is I really wanted to talk to bill because there was several newspaper
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articles and online articles that came out not too long ago because he had mentioned he said to somebody and I
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can't remember who it was I think it was just some like local newspaper or some kind of local small deal news station
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and he said look the um we are we're confident when he says we he was referring to the victim families he says
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we are confident that there is DNA in three of the four you know well-known cases right and when when people think
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about the Colonial Parkway murders in a way you got to think about him kind of like you would like zodiac or Jack the
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Ripper in a sense that there are there's a certain agreed upon number of cases that that we believe Jack the Ripper
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actually killed those these people and I believe with with Jack it's the canonical five and then you have the
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Zodiac okay so there there's certain victims of the zodiac that everybody seems to go okay these are all zodiac
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attacks for sure and then there's in both cases with Jack the Ripper and uh zodiac there's debatable ones there's
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there's ones that are outside that set number that you can go okay maybe he started killing or attacking before and
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if he did maybe these ones are linked to the series or maybe he started killing after never stopped right well then
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maybe these are connected to the series the Colonial Parkway murders case is so strange in a sense that it seems like
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there's four major double hom two you know four double homicides that are tied to this case commonly tied to this
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case but nobody can say for certain that even those four are part of the series right and then you have cases you have
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murders before and after that are all debatable if they're part of the series series and so you know we talked and
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talked and I said bill I I'm glad we got to talk after the fact because I was a little confused by your statement I said
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I wanted to know do you mean that there's three there's DNA from three of the crimes and and you mean three out of
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the four known crimes or we talking three out of the possible eight or nine crimes and he cleared that up a little
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bit he said look I'm I'm referring to three out of the four okay okay so three out of the four we have DNA evidence do
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we know if that evidence is the same DNA no we don't that that's the other thing
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um You' think they'd be able to run a test just to say okay out out of the three out of the four crimes we have
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three DNA but that DNA matches all three crimes well let me stop you because what
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I mean by that is when I say we don't know I mean we the general public I'm sure somebody I'm sure maybe the FBI or
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the state police they may know for certain right but we don't know we've not been told that hey all three of the
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that's the same and on top of this to be perfectly clear Bill's statement is that we have
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DNA from three of the cases that could be from the perpetrator could be from the
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perpetrator so DNA in three cases and some of it or all of it may not even be from the person that committed the
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murders right okay so and the reason why I wanted to talk to Bill about this was
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because he kind of came under Fire uh and what I mean by that is a bunch like news stations from all over especially
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Virginia wanted him to sit down and do an interview they were treating this like it was some kind of breaking news
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and everybody went crazy and started you know because of the Golden State killer
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being caught right everybody wants to be the first one or to make sure that hey if there's going to be something that's
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that's finally solved all these years later 31 32 years later that if it's going to be solved we want
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to make sure we cover it we want to make sure we talk to the people on the inside
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and we want to be a part of it cuz it's going to be big news right so all these people are contacting him and he says
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look I need everybody to calm down this was a tweet that I sent out chill out and this is the same thing I've been
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saying for years it's this is not breaking news this is my statement's the exact same that it has been for years
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and so I found that very interesting because had not seen that reported anywhere until he you know until
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recently when that started flooding the news outlets so it was interesting to have
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that DNA conversation with him and he this guy Bill's like a genius on the on the DNA stuff he's really been studying
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up on it and he did point out an error that that I had made on our show when you and I covered Christy Merrick yeah
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who was solved by the genealogy DNA where the the parabon nanu lab got involved and they helped solve that
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case um we had a long discussion about that and when you and I were talking about that case when we covered it you
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had said hey this is very similar to what they did in the Golden State killer situation and I think I I said something
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to the fact of um no it's the exact same situation it's the exact same technique
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and it's the same company parabond Nano Labs right and Bill corrected me he said
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was Nick that was not parabon nano Labs that did that that was and I think their
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method was a little different as well I would guess that it would be yes uh but okay so side note because I was thinking
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about this the other day I was hanging out with my buddy Morgan and we're talking about these unsolved cases that
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they have DNA mhm so now this going to sound strange but you know this a free space safe space right
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I I'm allowed to say some of my weird thoughts on the show okay does it make it less interesting like for the crimes
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we have a lot of these unsolved crimes like take Golden State killer that was a case that you could sit down and
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investigate and wrap your head around and there was multiple suspects that you'd have to sift through and kind of
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come up with your own conclusion if this some if was this a suspect that made any
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sense or maybe it didn't now we get these DNA from these cases and and yes I I I want the case
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solved but it almost makes it less interesting if that makes any sense in the sense that if we have DNA and we
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know the DNA is of the perpetrator we know the DNA is of this serial killer or whoever right that we all we have to do
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is now run it through the system and it's going to lead us back to somebody and the case gets solved and yes that's
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what we want we want Justice we want you know the victims to to eventually have some peace but as
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far as somebody that's investigating these crimes you see does that make any sense why it's so as an investigator
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it's like why put forth the effort if we can find DNA that's how we will ultimately catch this guy right I mean
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it's just like with the Zodiac like do we have DNA of the zodiac I don't believe there's any DNA of the zodiac so
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I there never has been reported DNA there's a partial thumb print or partial fingerprint in the taxi cab where uh
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Paul Stein was killed right but they don't know that could be from from anybody yeah somebody the so here's
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here's the claim that I'm going to be making like I said before we're in the Golden Age of going to be we're going to
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be able to solve these cases that are years and years old as long as we have DNA we got DNA we'll run it through
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system we're going to find our guy they're going to be charged with crime if they're still alive if not we're
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going to know the answers but here's my other prediction the cases that we don't
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have DNA on people are going to double down on investigating those cases armchair detectives well okay so a
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couple things could happen here with this new technology there are there's good reason
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to believe that a lot of old cold cases could be solved and what's going to happen there is
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cases where you don't have DNA guess what that frees up that frees up some of the detectives and some of their
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workload to revisit those other cases to have time and resources to spend on those other cases that don't have DNA so
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that's very likely too that we could see an increased uh solved and conviction percentage in cases without DNA now with
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DNA it's still not like um it's not like shooting fish in a barrel here so if you
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got DNA mhm okay like so with Christy Merrick for example they had DNA they send it to
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parabon Nano labs and then what they do is it's about a 50/50 chance that they're going to be able to come up with
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any kind of any kind of match at all and it's not going to be a match to the killer very unlikely that it would be a
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match to the Killer really what happens is when they send this into parabon arabon if if it's a successful test then
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they come back to investigators and they say look here's a family tree mhm somewhere inside this family tree is
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your DNA is your guy it's your killer right and so then they have to police have to do old school detective work and
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investigate that family tree to lead them to the right person and then once they think they've honed in on the right
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person then they have to go collect real DNA from this dude mhm and determine if
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it matches what was left at the crime scene and so in the chrisy case of Christy Merck they discovered a u a
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water bottle that the man had used and and a chewed piece of gum that he had used they tested that to come up with
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his DNA and to match it to theirs so there's this whole debate right now going on well of people saying well is
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this is this the first step in us giving up our privacy is this you know are they
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taking our privacy away from us so first of all to be very clear um they are well yeah but but if you if
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you are willingly okay MH okay let's take my family tree for for an example let please don't if my let's say my
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uncle MH wants to find out where he's from and and Trace back his roots as far as he possibly can so he submits his DNA
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to a website right and he before you know before he gets too old he wants to know about his family treat a lot of
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people are doing that and the thing is though what is the Privacy rights on this
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because what what do I have to believe that be he willingly submitted his DNA right
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part that's part of my DNA too though so am so whose rights are we infringing on
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are you infringing on my rights because you willingly gave your DNA that connects you to me
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to somebody for a purpose right or is that is that taking my right of privacy away but then why wouldn't we say no my
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uncle has the right to find out his genealogy to to trace his roots so well eventually it's going to
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be like your uncle wants to find out stuff about his Heritage and you're going to have to sign off on it I don't
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I hope that doesn't happen and actually to be honest with you if people want more cold cases to be solved
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then submit your DNA right cuz if we all did we would be able to wipe a lot of these old cases off of the books and get
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think about this get murderers off the streets well what if we set up our own like DNA like collection based uh right
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it had nothing to do with like the family tree you don't you submit your DNA right M we're not going to tell you
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anything about yourself but we call the DNA company like something like um and in Every Family Tree there is a
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piece of [ __ ] you see what I'm saying there likely could be yeah so we just have
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people submit their DNA they don't have to pay anything and then that way we can
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start collecting the data so we can solve these cases well so here's the other thing too because I I did quite a
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bit of studying up on this because I want to know what I'm talking about as this goes down and and you've heard me
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say this before several times Captain that I I believe this is we're just going to
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see I Google solved Cold Case about every other day now just to see what's going to come up I'm hoping you know
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every day I'm hoping to hear a new one especially a case that we've covered a case that I'm well aware of uh or cases
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that are even close to home here in Columbus or in Ohio or to victim's family members that we've talked to in
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the past you know so there's a long list of cases that I personally want to see solved for personal reasons
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now the one issue could be remember I said it's about a 5050 shot well it gets a little worse when it comes to uh
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minorities okay so you you might even have like a 30% chance of finding a match when we're talking about like
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African-American uh individuals and then even less than that with other backgrounds and the reason being is that
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um predominantly white people and Caucasian people and European of European descent are mostly using these
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genology sites so and the other thing too which is completely reasonable you know African-Americans
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have not always got a great Fair shake from our government from our country from even law enforcement so it's easy
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to understand why they might be hesitant to want to submit their DNA so willingly
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and um when it could be turned around and used against them yeah you know I mean
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that's with everybody but I think more and more people are looking back and trying to figure out uh where they came
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from and I think there's a lot more interest in that I mean you see a lot of shows uh on on PBS and stuff where
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that's all it's about is your roots and so fascinating from the most fascinating
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thing is when the family story is that they're from here or there and once they get back their their test they find out
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they weren't from there from a whole different part of the the the world well and I asked Bill uh specifically about
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certain things in the case and I really wanted to know things about his sister's
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case Kathleen Thomas's case because I thought he might have you know obviously he he should or would have more
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information about that than the general public and so I asked him I said okay now we're saying there's DNA or possible
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perpetrator DNA from three of the four cases right I said bill is is your sister's case one of those four cases
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because remember she they had found hair in Kathleen Thomas's hand yeah and he said look the F this is what we've been
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told that there's DNA it might belong to the perpetrator it's from three out of the four cases and they're not saying
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which of the three out of the four now the interesting thing here though is if we're only looking at four of the cases
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and not eight or nine of them well we have we have one case where the two people disappeared completely they've
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never found the bodies right so You' assume there' be no DNA in that case right I I would think the likelihood of
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DNA in that case is is significantly less than the other ones so maybe his sister's case is one that they have DNA
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from but again bill you know said we don't know for certain if that hair belongs to a victim or to the
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perpetrator the you know the the FBI has never told them that the heck the FBI might not know
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themselves and so it was interesting to talk with him about the case you know I I'm always interested to hear what the
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families think I always find it interesting because I think there's something to do with the with the
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mother's intuition uh or with with a father protecting his children or with a husband or wife somebody very close to
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the victim because because like John Douglas says the first thing to understanding uh the perpetrator of a
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crime is to understand the victim what was you know you really got to have a good knowledge of the victim to try to
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form a picture and paint a picture of who the perpetrator could be because you need to come up with the idea of how did
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the perpetrator come into interaction with this victim we know they interacted at some point because they there was a
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murder right but was that their first interaction and if it was why was that their first interaction if it wasn't
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their first interaction how do they know each other you know so well this one's tougher too because you you kind of
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assume that well maybe not assume but it's more likely in these four murders these four double homicides that this
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was the first interaction between the killer it could be it could be it could be and but I'm just saying in this
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scenario because because it's off of Highway that just seems more likely so I I wanted to get his gut feeling and and
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and I'll tell you why because there was an interesting conversation that I had a
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few weeks ago with some people and we were talking about the Amy mahalic case and I was talking to someone that had
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recently spoke to Amy's father now Amy's mother's sadly not around anymore and now we have her father all these years
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later still does not know who killed his daughter and the question was when this is
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solved what do you think will come to light out out of this what do you think will be you know where will there be
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like an aha moment for you right and Amy's father Mr mahalic said what I what I've always kind of thought would be
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that when we find out who did this that after I I I can kind of settle down and after the smoke kind of clears that I
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will have some memory that there's some kind of I've seen this person's face before right there's a connection
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there's a connection I may not know the person well maybe I will but there will be some kind of connection and he goes I
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think it will be a face in the crowd type situation and once it's all said and done after I've had a couple of days
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to soak it up soak it in and realize what's going on I will remember that face at some point could be somebody I
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used to work with could be somebody that you know an old neighbor or somebody that lived in in another neighborhood or
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a store that we shopped at so I asked bill that I said look when when this case is
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solved what do you think will come to light and the problem with this though is remember remember we said when we
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covered that case that hey if one of these gets solved don't be surprised if there's no domino effect don't just
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expect it if one gets solved the other three are shortly behind it right because I don't think that is the case I
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don't know that there is a connection in every single one of these four but he said you know what I think Nick I think
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that that when this comes to light that there will be some kind of Link there will be some kind of connection to the
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Killer and a victim or a killer in the situation yeah um who knows what case that that link will be a part of I asked
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him if he thought uh that they were all connected he said look that's tough that's tough he goes I think I think
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several them are connected all of them could be he goes my but when he's talking about all of them he's talking
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about the four the four just the four okay yeah and he said he said I think that several of them are connected he
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said that there's several law enforcement uh members that have told him they strongly believe that all four
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of them are connected I I believe so so yeah he thinks that there'll be some kind of some kind of Link somewhere and
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the other thing too you know I said well do you think this is law enforcement or somebody pretending
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to be law enforcement and I remember we talked about the Waterman Theory the Waterman Theory as well uhuh he said he
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kind of likes the Waterman Theory uh and he thinks he thinks that there could be
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some kind of flavor of this person pretending to be law enforcement because of all the obvious things we stated when
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we covered the case you know the the open glove boxes the rolled down window uh sometimes it appears that the victim
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was even providing identification to whoever either pulled them over or Came Upon their car but he doesn't think that
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in most these situations or at least one of them that it was always a situation of the perpetrator just stumbled upon
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the victim you know what I mean go into detail there what do you mean like that that they either knew the
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victim beforehand or they're stalking somebody well that's what what he's saying is that there would be some kind
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of link to to at least one victim what he's saying is I don't think that this was a situation where there's a Madman
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out on the road driving around looking for somebody to kill or on the water and then all of a sudden he goes oh look
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there's a car I'll go kill them yeah the Waterman theory is so crazy right yeah but not but like but
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not farfetched it's so crazy because it's like oh that makes a lot more sense because I always wondered like about the
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moving of the car you got um in multiple on mult multiple of these crimes you have the moving of a car mhm
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or moving of this or that and you and to me the problem was if it's a lone offender the problem
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is moving the car right and then you got to get back to your car I mean think think about when you when you go out on
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a Friday night you're like you know what better Uber at home tonight well that's
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no problem but the problem becomes Saturday morning when you got to go pick up your car
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that requires you to either Uber back it requires you and another person and another means of transportation to get
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you back to that car right yeah and so if it's a lone offender that's why I always kind of thought it was two people
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because it'd be easy to move around and you might move the car and then your buddy follows you even yeah even if one
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of them's more of just a lookout guy maybe one of them's not super involved in the murders other than the moving
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around part yeah but the yeah that the tough thing about that for me has always been that you have to be roughly the
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same kind of crazy and you have to find that same kind of crazy friend well and you also have to what
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you double down on you double down on the risk of getting caught because if if you and I went out and committed some
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terrible crime not saying we did but if I I have to now I I can keep my mouth shut but I got to worry hey is he going
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to tell somebody and same same for you you you double down on chance of getting caught just by the fact that guess what
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Nick might go sit in that bar remember I had to Uber home on Friday night but before I ubered home the reason why I
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ubered I was so drunk that I started telling people at the bar some [ __ ] that I did right and then on top of that I
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mean I'd have to worry about if you're going to like talk about it on a podcast or something so maybe it's not two
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people cuz we're talking about 30 to 32 years ago these four crimes bill was awesome too he he he can he corrected me
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on something cuz when you think about it I think wait real quick did he does he think it's one person or two people oh
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um he goes back and forth on that and and and to be honest with you a lot of the theories he kind of goes back and
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forth on it but yeah but that's because he's an intelligent person he's a smart dude he he's not willing to rule
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anything out here's what drives me nuts and I've been telling you this for the last I think 8 weeks is these sons of
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[ __ ] that are true crime experts quote unquote quote and they get some Theory up their ass they're not experts
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if they if they are just there to spout out a theory well they're not experts but that's why I said quote unquote
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experts and they get some theory that stuck up their ass and no matter what you tell them no matter what evidence
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comes out they never Chang their story where I I believe you know intelligence starts with the idea that you possibly
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could be wrong and so um from what you were saying about Bill and and from what I've seen I like the people that say hey
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maybe it's one maybe it's more the evidence will tell me that you know and so the evidence will let you go back and
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forth if that makes any sense well I would say bill is similar to to me and and James rener and and yourself and
00:31:47
others some others that I've talked to but but like you said it's a it's a bit annoying when somebody seems to have
00:31:52
thrown a theory together a very loose Loosey Goosey Theory right and then they're they're stuck on it they're like
00:31:59
this is what happened I'm I'm confident I'm 100% confident that this is what happened ass wipes and I think I think
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where rener comes in Under Fire sometimes is that he's happy to share with you hey this is my personal Theory
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and I think the way that it gets it gets released to the public or on documentary
00:32:19
sometimes is it looks like he's saying this is the only Theory that's that that matters right and you and I know from
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having talks with him renters like me and you where we're happy to spin our heads and spin our tops all night long
00:32:33
going well what if this because of this or why this because of that and it's it's better I think it's more
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interesting and more more fun when you're trying to deduce these things to say to not rule anything out and to say
00:32:48
well what if and why and Bill if you I'm not going to speak for him as to his personal Theory but I know from talking
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with him he does have a pretty straightforward direct theory that that he he likes more than others but he's
00:33:06
not willing to rule anything out you know he W he will not rule anything out and he specifically said that to me he
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said I'm not going to rule anything out this thing ain't solved and that's why it ain't solved because we don't know
00:33:16
what happened right now he did say captain I found this interesting we touched upon that Williams and Winan's
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case a little bit that was the double homicide and the uh shann andoa Park in 1996 and they had they being law
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enforcement they had a suspect that they liked in that that was Daryl David Rice
00:33:37
I I don't recall if he was tried and they couldn't get the conviction or if he was arrested and they didn't have
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evidence to take him to court I think they didn't have evidence but he had told me he goes look you know I'm not
00:33:51
going to tell you that he's Bill's a cool humble Dude too he's like I'm not going to tell you I'm an expert in any
00:33:56
of of these cases he goes I will tell you I've spent a lot of time on it and I've he said this the case that he's
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probably spent the most time on other than his sister's case is the case from 1996 yeah it matches the mo seems more
00:34:12
he feels that way too he feels that that there they're they might not be connected that might not be the same
00:34:18
perpetrator but on the surface they seem to have more in common than the other crimes and so he had said you know I
00:34:28
think you and the captain could do two episodes on that and I'd be happy to chat with you guys and point you in the
00:34:33
right direction and give you some good information CU he said that case has always fascinated him in the sense that
00:34:39
that was the case where they they had a maybe a good suspect right but for whatever reason couldn't solve it and
00:34:46
when it went unsolved when they couldn't bring this guy and put him behind bars that law enforcement just kind of it was
00:34:52
one of those deals where they're kind of like it's kind of solved but not really
00:34:56
well that's what that I mean through our last few years of having a show and and meeting so many
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different law enforcement officers and a lot of detectives every detective I've talked to said I have a handful of cases
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that I I know who did it I just couldn't get the evidence to prove it and sad too
00:35:16
because those are good guys good girls too good women good men that are that are detectives longtime detectives who
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are saying I'm probably going to go to my grave knowing that this person was killed by this other person and I
00:35:29
couldn't do a damn thing about it right and Bill told me he said you know I'm not going to lie to you Nick i'
00:35:38
we we the families of these victims certainly have had plenty of frustrations over the years there's
00:35:44
things that have gone wrong with the cases there's things that are embarrassing from the investigation
00:35:50
standpoint he said but look I've been highly involved in this and he said I'm a blue blood guy I back law enforcement
00:35:58
and he said even though these cases aren't solved and we still have frustrations he said all the individuals
00:36:04
at the at the State Police and at the FBI and anyone that he's met in regards to this case they were all it wasn't
00:36:12
it's not solved for a lack of effort these are people that are trying very hard that they care that they want to
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solve this these are all good people he said and I said you know what I I can only think one of one situation in my
00:36:26
life and from our experiences doing this where I walked away from a situation going yeah I don't think that that
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investigator cares too much or I don't think that that police officer right really gives a [ __ ] and that's a very
00:36:39
small percentage when you look at it from a ho well but even you know there's been a lot of cases that we know that
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the invest investigators actually give a [ __ ] but they're they're just so tunnel
00:36:50
vision and that's you know that's not lack of caring or they're in a big city and they start getting bogged down
00:36:58
with other other cases yeah yeah well I wish Bill if Bill hears this I wish Bill
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the best and I hope uh some good luck with the case speaking with him I don't know if
00:37:12
it was just his cheerfulness and how how great of a guy Bill is right but he he renewed my optimism in this case after
00:37:21
you and I covered it I really didn't see much hope for it I just kind of felt like 30 years is a long time yeah it 31
00:37:28
32 years of a long time but you know like you said talking to bill there's seems like there's a quite a bit of DNA
00:37:34
evidence and with this new technology and the new investigative tools that they have with this technology I I think
00:37:41
we're going to have a break maybe in the next year well with the advancements in
00:37:46
technology the the families have said look we're we're we have renewed optimism in these cases now too
00:37:52
hopefully next year at crime con we'll we'll be cheers to this case being solved with Bill yeah yeah and so many
00:37:59
of these families have worked so hard for over 30 years to keep this case alive and it's one of those cases man if
00:38:05
you Google uh Colonial Parkway murders like I said if you want to learn more about it go to that Facebook page but
00:38:12
you can Google it every so often and new stuff comes up there's somebody reporting on it there's somebody
00:38:18
covering the case it's not been lost on the community this is something that uh like you said hopefully we're sitting
00:38:25
with Bill a year from now and we're raising a three glasses with a big cheers because we've had a
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