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[Music] ohio state route 47 is a highway running from the indiana border at union city to the village of
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waldo it was state route 68 until 1933 when u.s route 68 was commissioned since both roads run through a common
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county logan in ohio and since there is a rule that there can be no ohio state routes
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with the same number as u.s highways within ohio the number was changed to 47. logan county ohio the county is
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467 square miles and as of the 2010 census there was under 46 000 people living in
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logan county the county is beautiful points of interest include mad river mountain
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and indian lake most of the news good and bad coming out of this area is provided from
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papers housed in nearby or neighboring cities most coming out of dayton in springfield ohio
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on an even more local level in the may 24th edition of the bell fountain examiner
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there was a picture of a young man above the picture it says riverside high school and you see a picture of a
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smiling 18 year old wearing a dark colored t-shirt with just enough gel in his hair to not only hold the hair in
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place but also maintaining that wet look he was going for this was an advertisement congratulating
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the young man on his high school graduation his grandparents who placed the ad included a simple and straightforward
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message to their grandson that read good luck in your future scott moody love grandma grandpa shaffer
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scott was lucky enough to have a second congratulatory ad placed for him which again featured his high school senior
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photo this ad was from his mother and sister and read good luck and have fun less than a week later grandma grandpa
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mother sister and scott moody would once again make the paper but this time it was not for celebration
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no this time the news was only bad all bad you could read the articles for the details but the headlines were stunning
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and jaw-dropping one read no one knows what caused carnage and in big bold black letters on the
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front page of the dayton daily news it read slangs stun logan county this is true crime garage
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and this is the story of the moody massacre [Music] [Music] scott moody was born in belle fountain
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ohio for those not familiar belle fountain is a great community the captain and i have been there on more
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than one occasion belle fountain is about an hour's drive northwest of where we are in columbus ohio
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located in logan county and just to give everyone an idea the population back in
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2011 was estimated at just between 13 and 14 000 residents so this is a small community scott was born in the summer
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of 1986 he's the son of steve moody and sherry k shaffer scott lived in belle fountain with his
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mother and sister stacy moody they attended the first united methodist church scott's father lived nearby and degraff
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ohio with his other sons this is scott's half-brothers stephen christopher and adam
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his family at least on his mother's side are all farmers scott included his family owned shaker
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farms that's s-h-a-k-e-r farms scott showed cattle in the logan county and ohio state fairs winning several
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trophies and awards scott was a member of both the riverside ffa and the liberty livestock 4-h club
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for those wondering the ffa stands for future farmers of america and is a large nationwide group that teaches leadership
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personal growth and career success through agricultural education the 4-h program is similar to the ffa
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but probably even larger at least it seems to be more popular here in ohio the four h's
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stand for head heart hands and health i thought two of them stood for hoof hearted because they were farmers and
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had plenty of land to work scott's grandparents gary and cheryl shaffer who we referenced in the trailer they lived
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just a quarter of a mile away the two houses were surrounded by corn and soybean fields they lived on ohio route
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47 so both scott's mother's house and his grandparents home share a large property along route 47.
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on sunday morning may 29 2005 at 10 35 a.m an emergency services call came in from an obviously panicked woman
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identifying herself as nicole according to the dayton daily news her voice trembled as she scrambled to
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explain to the lifeline why she was calling and what she was seeing during the placement of this call right because
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it's not a normal 911 call it's not we have an emergency happening right now it is we have wreckage
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and and this is the aftermath of the crime yeah that's right nicole tells emergency services the following my
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sister just called me and said her mom and her had been beaten up and her mom isn't waking up nicole goes on to say i
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can't wake her mom up i can't feel a pulse and then she cried out oh my god scott
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the son and girlfriend are beat up too this is all from the dayton daily news now a sheriff's deputy arrived a short
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time later after the call two times are reported for his arrival one at 10 45 and one at 10 46. this is deputy
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wyrick keep in mind the sheriff's department is nearby so wyrick the first responding officer was
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at the scene within seconds of the end of this emergency call so first he finds nicole and her
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boyfriend jeff the two that who went out to the house and placed the emergency call
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then the deputy finds stacy moody who is covered in blood she's sitting in a recliner in the
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living room she had moved around the house quite a bit before the sheriff had arrived and we'll get
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into that in a bit she had been shot twice in the neck 19 year old megan karis was found nearby
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lying on a love seat shot in the upper neck found in an upstairs bedroom was sherry
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shafer she's the mother found in her bed lying on her back in another bedroom there were two bodies
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one was 14 year old paige harshberger shot in the left temple and then li she's lying on her right
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side facing the wall now next to her in the same bed shirtless wearing jeans covered in blood
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legs dangling off the edge of the bed and according to sheriff henry's full investigative report carried by the
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associated press clutching a 22 rifle thumb on the trigger shot twice was scott moody
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the first shot going through his neck and into his sinus cavity investigators believed that he then switched hands
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repositioned himself and put the barrel in his mouth and again pulled the trigger
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stacy was the only one alive four people were dead so let's go through this real quick here captain
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before we move on because all of this stuff is going to be very important as we go through this that we
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have a complete understanding of what the first responding officer is seeing again this is deputy wyrick he's
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responding to the scene where he meets nicole and her boyfriend jeff inside the moody home
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we find stacy which she is the daughter that lives there okay she's 15 years old
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right she's in very bad shape clinging to life she's the one that called nicole saying hey
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i'm beat up and my mom's beat up too and i can't wake her up right let's keep in mind she's saying beat up
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because she's been shot twice the trauma she probably doesn't fully understand what's going on at this point she might
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have been shot and then actually blacked out so she might not even realize that she's been shot yeah on the
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ground level they find meghan cars she's 19 years old okay then upstairs we find
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three bodies we find the mother we find the mother sherry k shaffer who's 37 she is scott and stacy's mother we also
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find in his bedroom scott moody who's 18 years old and his girlfriend paige harshberger who's 14 years old we're
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being told that we find scott with two gunshot wounds and he's holding a rifle he's got his thumb on the trigger yeah
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they believe these to be self-inflicted so you can kind of deduce that we have a family that has been murdered
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and then the person that murdered them scott took his own life but it becomes strange because there's
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two gunshot wounds that scott quote unquote inflicted into himself yeah and so deputy wyrick first on the
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scene he describes several of the bodies he found as either blue or gray in color
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other than the blood stains for the most part they look like they were just sleeping that these people were just
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sleeping but they were blue or gray and cold yeah family members dead in their sleep it kind of reminds you of the
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defeos the amityville horror wyric asks stacy several questions but she again is barely hanging on she has
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been shot twice and had lost a lot of blood by this point she was going in and out and only
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answered three questions this is as other deputies were arriving on the scene yeah do we know what those three
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questions were yeah the three questions she was able to answer now i want you to
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keep in mind she was asked more than just three questions right she's only able to provide answers to
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three because again she's going in and out at this point the questions she answered were what is
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your name to which she says stacy moody how old are you she says 15 do you know who did this she says no
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just before being placed in the back of an ambulance she was asked again by a different officer do you know who did
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this and she says no now thankfully stacy is still alive at this time however law enforcement has
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they're not able to gain any insight into what she may have witnessed saw or heard or what have you
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they were pushing her for these answers especially because she was in such bad shape she is near death
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you know they if she if she passes away shortly after this we need to get some information
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from her before because that was a reality here so they rushed her out of the scene uh
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she would be placed into a helicopter and they're going to have a life flight they're going to have to life flight
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this poor stacy to ohio state university hospital in columbus ohio so it was stacy who called nicole to come to the
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house because she and her mother had been quote beaten up and we already said that stacy was going
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in and out of consciousness and this was immediately as she woke up you know she's blacking out moving around
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blacking out and the reason for this we've been beaten up i've been beaten up my mother's been beaten up
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that description i think comes from a couple of things one she wakes up in obvious pain horrific pain and does not
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fully know why but two her mother who she would have seen lying face up in her bed
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she appeared to have what what would look like two black eyes but this was only really due to the fact
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that she had been she had been shot in the head she had not been beaten up in fact later the logan county sheriff's
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office would say that they saw no signs of a struggle at all and there were no defensive wounds on
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any of the victims one she was found in her bed too so we could assume that she was possibly asleep
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[Music] so deputies say it was then that they went to investigate the neighboring
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farmhouse there they had to kick in the door they found two bodies on the kitchen
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floor this is 67 year old gary schaefer and 66 year old cheryl sue shafer they were in the process of cooking
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breakfast they found the sheriff found two glasses of orange juice on the table and eggs were out ready to be cooked
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both had been shot in the upper neck we will know from eyewitnesses and from just the general timeline that
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whatever went down that killed all six of these people and left stacy clinging to life
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it went down between 6am and when the emergency call was placed at 10 35 in the morning this all on may 29th
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so we know that it was after 6 a.m or have reason to believe that it was after 6 a.m because there were other people
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that stayed at the moody house the night before so we had three individuals this is uh
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brett davidson he was somebody who he was another high school student we have jason sutherly
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this i believe is sherry k shaffer's boyfriend the mother's boyfriend he left sometime that morning and i'm a
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little confused on exactly what time he left but we also have andrew denney who left
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this is stacy's friend we know that he was there he said that he watched a movie played some pool and left sometime
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early in the morning but does not provide a time the reason why we believe that all of
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this stuff went down after 6 a.m is because the first person i mentioned brett davidson
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he says that he left the moody's at 6 a.m and everything was fine at that point all right so we have three
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individuals that were there the day of this massacre they claimed that there was no problems no trouble when they
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left correct everything would have been fine at that point and we can look if we believe their statements i
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think it would have been obvious if any of this had gone down beforehand obviously you would have somebody would
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have heard gunshots but not only that maybe maybe not though i mean we we don't know how
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large this property is i mean it is a farm right but these individuals were inside the moody home
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so we're not talking about a great amount of right that's between that right and that's if we believe them
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right correct but then you also have the fact that that we have meghan karus her her body
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was found on the ground level so right somebody may have had to walk past her body to go out the door but i guess we
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also have the deputy saying other than the blood stains it almost appeared that these people were just asleep yeah see i
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also wonder due to the color of the bodies how long they were were there and it seems to me like if
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you're getting a call at 10 and this happens between 7 and 10 a small three hour window
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is that enough time for these bodies to turn this purplish gray color that the officers were saying that
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they were uh also makes me wonder if and i would assume they did this but uh did they test for
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any ballistics on these individuals to see if they fired a gun that day well no pun intended you're jumping the gun a
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bit but what i do like and i have to agree with you 100 here captain you're saying right from jump
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street you got some questions there's some questions here so i should point out that this
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may 29th 2005 this was also the day of the local high school graduation ceremony both scott moody and meghan
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karus 18 and 19 respectively were a part of that graduating class right so they would have been walking
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across the stage that night that day and obviously they're not going to be attending the ceremony in fact the
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school was actually notified of their deaths just a couple of minutes i mean literally a couple of minutes before the
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ceremony was to begin their chairs remained empty for the entirety of the graduation
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and as soon as the ceremony ended immediately after you know the caps were tossed in the air and
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the cheering was over the tassel moved from one side to the hat to the other side students parents teachers and
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everyone present was told two of their own were killed that morning wow now the sheriff's department tried to keep the
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announcement of the deaths low key so that the other local kids could enjoy their achievement they didn't make the
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statement during the commencement speech right but it sounds like some of the kids kind
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of knew something was going on very small town so small town and people were saying that as the ceremony was
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proceeding and as it drove on that they were you could tell by the faces that you know these
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somebody knew something and was probably whispering it to somebody else and it was making its way around
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to to everyone so the sheriff's department they announced to news and media outlets that
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they would hold a press conference later that same day at the sheriff's office now i want to point out something that i
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find to be incredibly strange here captain later on a local reverend this is reverend jones
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would tell people that he heard on his police scanner you know he's he's listening in at home
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right he says he heard on the scanner at noon that day the day of the shooting that the sheriff had closed the
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investigation he says it was quote declared closed mind you this is at noon and we already
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reported that the first deputy arrived at the scene according to the reports at either 1045 or 10 46 a.m so hour and 15
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minutes and you're able to close the case it's solved baby wow sherlock dickweed we figured it out so
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clearly you're as surprised as i was by that statement that's ridiculous now but
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now we don't know if that that's true though correct this is this is what one man says
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he's a reverend so i'm giving him a little little credit here i'd like to know what he looks like well we're going
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to get a general rundown of what happened who is responsible and why right because remember what the sheriff
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said that morning we will have a press conference coming up scheduled by the sheriff all set for
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7 p.m and captain i wanted to read this directly from a book called saving stacy
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by rob sinclair that covers this case the moody massacre so this is from pages 36 and 37. at 7 00
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p.m sunday evening logan county sheriff michael henry straightened his wrinkled t-shirt adjusted his dale earnhardt jr
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ball cap and stepped before a crowded group of reporters representing local state and national media outlets
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he says quote it's tough on us we knew these people we're familiar with these kids i feel so badly for these families
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this community you can't imagine what it's like to deal with this when you have six victims it's
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very horrendous it was a rampage these are the most tragic shootings i've seen in this county in my 31 years here
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because of the sheer number of all of the young victims sheriff henry waited a moment
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before he explained the details he estimated that between 7 a.m and 10 a.m sunday morning 18 year old scott
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moody got out of his bed loaded a 22-caliber semi-automatic rifle walked a quarter mile to his
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grandparents home and shot them as they made breakfast investigators had found gary shaffer age
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67 and his wife sheryl shaffer age 66 dead on their kitchen floor the sheriff went on to say that scott
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most probably crossed back over crop fields to his adjacent house reloaded the rifle and went from bedroom
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to bedroom shooting people as they slept the sheriff commented that he believed the sequence was that scott first shot
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riverside high school student megan cars age 19 then his mother sherry k shaffer
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age 37 then his girlfriend riverside high school student paige harshberger age 14
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too far along in the story here or nick well this is i'm probably going to get some criticism for saying this but i
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can't help myself we can only hope yes let the hate mail roll um at the start of
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rob sinclair's uh description of this sheriff's press conference he describes the sheriff
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sheriff henry what he's wearing he's wearing a wrinkled t-shirt and a dale earnhardt jr
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baseball cap right look i don't want to be too critical but we we i want to commend first the
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sheriff for his words okay they were powerful words and they were emotional it was an emotional statement and i also
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get that it was a holiday weekend the sheriff probably was off for the weekend and did not intend on working
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that day was pro was called in because of this horrible massacre that took place
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however this is a press conference in front of local state and even national media outlets
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you are an elected official if there ever was a time that that community in his words he says the
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community he feels bad for this community if there ever was a time that the community needed to see the uniform
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it was that day yeah it was at that press conference you had the chance to be the knight in
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shining armor and and and be the one that stood up there you you are supposed to be the face of
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protect and serve and this community is hurting at this time and you're wearing a nascar hat and
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they don't have all the answers so they're probably also scared and nervous correct correct and
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look if if it was just like uh if it just happened that press conference just naturally organically happened right at
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the scene of the crime or whatever and he was forced to answer some questions i get it that you're not in uniform he
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probably rushed to the scene but he scheduled he's the one that scheduled the press
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conference at his office for 7 p.m so there was time to look the part let's say right
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now if the sheriff and his men are correct if they are right well then this is a
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closed case but we have as we said questions but we also have a major issue that is going to take
00:34:30
place stacy the sole survivor she says she would later say mind you she's in very bad shape right she would later say
00:34:40
that she saw the shooter and it was not her brother scott moody so here's what stacy had to say let's
00:34:48
keep in mind again her fragile state they had to life flight her to the best hospital in the area to save her life
00:34:57
right she was supposed to die later she would say that the medical professionals that saved her life
00:35:04
intended to her they didn't even fully understand how or why she survived but she did
00:35:11
so when she was being asked questioned by uh as she lay in the hospital bed i don't think we should assume
00:35:22
that she knew what fully happened meaning she may not know that most of her family was killed
00:35:30
at that point when she's answering these questions she may not know that the logan county sheriff's office had closed
00:35:37
the case and announced to the public that her brother was the shooter so let's go back in using stacy's words
00:35:44
walk through what she says that she witnessed that sunday morning she says she woke up but nothing in
00:35:52
particular woke her up but when she wakes up she sees a man standing over her bed
00:35:59
and holding a gun she would go on to say that she did not know the man but he was
00:36:06
older with gray hair and wearing a blue shirt so i read two versions of this statement here and i'm i'm unable to
00:36:16
discern which is in fact correct you know which is the truth uh i guess really though the truth is
00:36:24
captain we we may not know and stacy just might not know for sure herself but she said the demand that she
00:36:32
described as either a medium build or a larger build we'll come back to this description in a
00:36:39
minute now describing the gun she said it had a huge barrel as soon as she sees the gun
00:36:49
mind you she is just eyes open still lying down she's not up she's not standing the man shoots her in
00:36:58
the neck she said he then walks out of the room and she hears two gunshots then the man returned to the room
00:37:08
and again over top of stacy shoots her a second time then again he leaves the room and stacy
00:37:16
says she then heard two more gunshots now back to the description stacy says she does not know the man so
00:37:25
obviously it's not scott and scott's description well my description of scott anyway he's 18
00:37:32
years old a bit of a baby face five foot eight 135 pounds so a smaller frame a smaller build
00:37:40
he's got short brown hair and deputies say that scott was not wearing a shirt when they found his body
00:37:47
in his room stacy says the man that she saw that shot her was wearing a blue shirt right
00:37:53
it doesn't mean that he couldn't have taken off the shirt though correct now on july 20th 2005 stacy
00:38:02
she spent 12 days at osu many of them in the icu she is quoted in the dayton daily news
00:38:10
as saying i didn't realize what happened i had no clue i don't remember hardly anything i remember the last four days
00:38:17
in the hospital but other than that it's just bits and pieces the gunshots shattered two of her vertebrae
00:38:24
severed an artery leading to her brain and damaged her vocal cords another very sad part of this story
00:38:33
because stacy was hospitalized fighting for her life she was actually unable to attend the services for her
00:38:41
friends her brother her grandparents and her mother right it's also tough though here too because
00:38:49
we know that she has a lot of trauma and it kind of reminds you of like a central
00:38:54
park 5 case where the victim doesn't have much of a memory about the case now her memory in that case in the
00:39:03
central park 5 case never really comes back so there is no details at all but you just also wonder with these
00:39:11
accounts of a larger older man that she didn't know is this something that she um
00:39:19
in her state dreamt up or misremembered or or what yeah so if anybody's having a hard time
00:39:29
figuring it out we're pointing out that there there are some questions about this case we have the sheriff's
00:39:34
department saying scott moody 18 years old who was scheduled to graduate that day killed
00:39:40
basically you know most of his family right it's only because his father lives yeah and
00:39:45
kills himself and then we have stacy saying my brother was not the shooter and i
00:39:52
wanted to point out a couple of couple of things here and that was kind of a long way for me to to to go on about it
00:39:58
but i wanted to point out two two things one when she's being asked that stuff in
00:40:03
the hospital again she may not know at that time that the sheriff's office announced that her
00:40:09
brother was the shooter i think that's important to keep that in our minds when we're trying to figure out
00:40:17
is stacy's story correct because if she's telling the truth and if she is spot on if she's
00:40:23
remembering everything correctly right then we we have a missing shooter here somewhere and somebody made it look like
00:40:31
scott moody killed all these people well also we have two shots to to a guy committing suicide which is
00:40:40
rare in itself yeah it does happen it does you know some people immediately see that and go oh my god well he
00:40:47
couldn't have killed himself he shot himself twice right but you also have a whole
00:40:50
community that is saying this is not yes not in the realm of possibilities that this kid is capable of doing
00:40:59
something like this thank you for saying that and and i think part of the thing too is
00:41:05
not only do we have stacy saying that my brother wasn't the shooter we have the community a lot of people in
00:41:10
the community are saying he probably we don't believe he was the shooter and they they call that into
00:41:16
question and call that into major doubt because i think the sheriff's office was so quick to
00:41:23
announce that scott was the shooter yeah again that's just it feels like we don't
00:41:28
have a thorough investigation here i get that you found a gun in somebody's hands
00:41:34
yes but then then here's the argument too and i think we should spend some of this
00:41:39
time going through some of these things as to call into question if scott was the shooter or if he was not what points
00:41:46
to him being the shooter what points to him not being the shooter so right from the get
00:41:52
here we have a problem because we have the deputy who says i found scott moody his his legs are
00:42:00
hanging off of the edge of the bed you can find pictures of this on the internet
00:42:06
and you can see his legs off of the bed at the bottom of the bed now he says that he found this rifle
00:42:16
in scott's you know he's clutching the rifle he's got his thumb on the trigger there was an emt worker
00:42:25
who said that no i saw the gun it was near scott but it was you know it was within arm's reach but he was not
00:42:32
holding the gun when i saw him right again that's a simple test we can find out if scott shot a gun that day or
00:42:39
not yes and could you find that anywhere because i could not nope that was the first
00:42:46
question i had i'm like if if there's a big question if if scott was a family annihilator and killed himself
00:42:54
or did somebody try to frame this poor 18 year old kid why don't we just test him for gsr and
00:43:02
then announce it to the public we we tested him for gsr we did we ran ballistics on all the bullets
00:43:09
that we found and they all came from this one gun that was in his possession now i do want to point out something
00:43:15
here there's an argument that it's not even in his possession right right and i do want to i do want to point out a
00:43:21
couple things here though it is possible that he did kill himself and somehow the
00:43:30
gun got worked from him you know what i mean like that happens right we one we know we have
00:43:36
stacy moving around the house and it doesn't seem like she's quite clear on what she was doing you know she she was
00:43:44
not shot where she was found once the first responders arrived she was not found where she was shot when her sister
00:43:50
nicole arrived we also have nicole and jeff who ran through the scene checking people
00:43:56
as they call emergency services and then of course we're going to have deputies and emt who are moving things around at
00:44:03
this crime scene as well but you have this individual scott 18 years old what's his motive i mean we know that
00:44:10
he's graduating from high school this is a big step in a kid's life probably the biggest step uh to date
00:44:18
he's graduating high school he's been becoming a man and and he wants to be a farmer so that's ari the family's
00:44:26
business so he's going to go straight from graduating to working the job that he wants to work
00:44:32
and there's a lot of people in this country that don't get to wake up every day and do what they love to do that's
00:44:37
what he was set up to do so what's the motive well this case in a way not only does it
00:44:47
remind me of amityville horror but it it also reminds me in a way of jonbenet ramsay what did we find when we took a
00:44:54
deep dive into the ramsey case we found that every bit of information out there was like a coin it had two sides to it
00:45:04
one where everybody suggests hey this item points towards the parents having killed this little girl
00:45:11
the other side of the coin saying this proves that they're innocent with with scott moody what i found throughout this
00:45:19
was every statement is contradicted by a complete opposite statement so we have and it's not just stacy moody that says
00:45:28
this there's a um there's a documentary it's short it's good it's on youtube called porcelain dolls
00:45:36
it's stacy's story they interview stacy for this documentary it's about 20 maybe
00:45:43
30 minutes long right i recommend that you watch that as well but she says in this documentary and she said it other
00:45:50
times as well everyone in the community the entire community said that scott would never do this
00:45:58
and i saw that in the newspapers as well i even saw his former stepfather who lived with him for many years
00:46:08
i believe they divorced three years before the shooting he says scott would have never done this
00:46:14
but we have some other things that say maybe he might have done this okay those are what so let's go through
00:46:24
this what we know about scott moody one we know that he was or is reported to have
00:46:30
been close with his mom but had not seen his father since he was 16 years old and
00:46:35
this is by scott's own choosing he decided he didn't like his father his father lived a short drive away from
00:46:43
where scott lived he chose not to see him now stacy when she survives this tragedy
00:46:49
she would go to live with her biological father afterwards he had a weird girlfriend situation
00:46:56
okay some people point out uh his girlfriend's 14 some people get angry about that
00:47:04
i get it 1814 seems a little weird to me but i remember when i was in high school
00:47:08
there was a lot of high school seniors that had freshman girlfriends yeah so when you were a senior you only
00:47:15
dated 14 year olds is what you're saying no not me i'm the reason why i remember it was because
00:47:21
when i was a freshman there was a couple of couple of girls that i liked and i'm
00:47:25
like oh i know one i probably didn't have a shot anyway but they were dating seniors i mean i knew you in high school
00:47:31
you definitely did so the girlfriend situation is a little weird his girlfriend the current
00:47:39
girlfriend that was killed that day that was found next to him right she's 14 he knows her because she is was
00:47:49
and probably was at the at the time still a very close friend with his little sister stacy right so that's
00:47:56
less awkward though yeah they had only been dating for i believe two or three weeks at that time
00:48:03
though right i think what i find strange about the relationship 1814 is that it seems like
00:48:09
it was okay that she was staying the night that night is what i'm guessing a little strange but i guess if you're her
00:48:15
parents and you don't know that he's dating her then you just think she's staying with stacy right anyway let's
00:48:21
move past that what i bring that all up because he had a long-term girlfriend who split up with him
00:48:30
within just a couple of months before this the shooting so he's coming off of a long-term
00:48:36
relationship where the girlfriend broke it off and she says later she says i broke it off because of because of his
00:48:44
anger issues that he would he would you know break into these anger fits out of nowhere
00:48:52
okay and so that's evidence to point that it's possible yeah and maybe this is just something that
00:48:59
he just never showed to people at school it's that's a possibility because you wouldn't want to get in trouble and so
00:49:06
now you're at your house and you don't have a male figure in your life that's a hierarchy in your house
00:49:15
the only hierarchy you have is your mother and but that might not stop you from going into these
00:49:23
tantrums right so we have a we have a community that says scott would never do this but we have
00:49:30
three people who make statements that make it sound like he might do something like this we
00:49:36
already covered the girlfriend right right these are all statements three sources that say he was short-tempered
00:49:41
he was angry and even abusive at times there was the girlfriend the former girlfriend i'm sorry a domestic violence
00:49:50
counselor says that she was called by scott's mom this was i think three months two or three months
00:49:59
before the shooting his mother calls saying i want help because i want to remove my abusive son from my home
00:50:08
wow that was her statement then we have um okay so the former girlfriend her name is amanda arthur
00:50:16
and she said that he scared her and at one point he even said to her that he wanted to kill them all
00:50:26
referring to members of his family yeah or possibly the metallica album right he would he
00:50:33
would blow up for no reason as she said but then there was other times that she would he would
00:50:38
call her crying on the phone and she said it was like for no reason she couldn't figure out what was going on
00:50:46
with him well this is possibly one of the reasons why he didn't want to have a relationship with his father maybe his
00:50:51
father was trying to be the authority figure and he didn't want that and if you have these temper tantrums and it's
00:50:57
not against your mother that maybe is afraid of you or physically doesn't think she can control you in any
00:51:04
manner that maybe his father could and that's why he didn't want to be around his father
00:51:10
so stacy's father is the third source for statements saying that scott was short-tempered angry and abusive
00:51:19
he says that when stacy survived and went to come live with him that during that time she stacy the
00:51:27
survivor tells him that in the months leading up to the shooting that scott quit referring to his mother as
00:51:36
mom or mother or mama whatever he called her he was calling her by her first name at
00:51:42
that point and the according to stacy again this is from her father said that scott was to the point where he was
00:51:50
hitting and cursing his mother yeah and i i tried that whole thing for a while where you call your parents by
00:51:57
their first names it lasted like two days and and they were extremely upset well and then you have you have another
00:52:06
thing too right a lot of people say well he was turning 18 he was graduating he was going to become a full-time farmer
00:52:13
his family already has a farm he was into farming he wanted to be a farmer you have another group of people that
00:52:20
says the farm the pressures of him becoming a farmer maybe he didn't truly want to be a farmer he was being forced
00:52:28
into it by his family right again it's the opposite side of the coin or us or possibly your motive is you get
00:52:36
rid of your family and now you get to take possession of the farm but however went down didn't go to plan
00:52:46
and then he decided to take his own life that's really what the the sheriff believes is that
00:52:55
something happened and we we don't know what in fact sheriff henry's statement was that we may never know
00:53:03
says sheriff michael henry maybe you know we may never know why is what he's saying maybe there were a number of
00:53:10
issues domestic pressures on the farm unfulfilled dreams a recent sincere serious argument with his grandfather
00:53:19
gary shaffer so the sheriff points this out because we have any evidence of argument between
00:53:24
him and his grandfather we only have sheriff henry's statement and but what he believes is that once
00:53:31
that first life was taken right that was the only intention but it set off all these other things that that
00:53:40
had to happen well and see that's what i'd really like to know is it to me it seems like
00:53:47
whatever happened in the house that it wouldn't have started with the grandparents
00:53:52
but they would have some evidence of that but again we don't know what tests were ran and what weren't
00:53:59
and and so that becomes very you would think that if he's showing signs of abuse to his mother you could see
00:54:07
something going down of hey it's time to graduate and he's going i'm not going she goes oh yes you are
00:54:15
and that is just enough to spark that but then that carries over to his grandparents house and then he he comes
00:54:22
back and takes his own life but but why would stacy say that somebody else was a shooter
00:54:28
see that's what we have we even have stacy's conflicting statements along the way
00:54:34
no no i agree and i and i think that's you know again the reason why this investigation needed certain tests done
00:54:42
to prove certain things because i think in her trauma state that she is not to me a reliable witness not at all and
00:54:52
so it's like again now now you brought up a point which i think is good did she know
00:54:59
what the claims were when she started making her eyewitness account because you could also argue is there a
00:55:07
possibility that she would want to defend him in any way right that she doesn't want her brother
00:55:15
to be known for this right because i mean we just covered uh the grant a motto yeah a motto case where his
00:55:24
brother was constantly defending him you know constantly defending him up into the point where his brother killed him
00:55:31
and that's why i think it was important to point out that she when when we don't know for certain when given
00:55:37
that statement when she's telling somebody the shooter did was not my brother that's not her exact word she's just
00:55:43
describing the man that she says she saw with the gun i think it's important to point out that
00:55:49
she may not have known that the sheriff had already announced that her brother was a killer so if she doesn't know that
00:55:55
then she's not defending him per se you see what i mean no i i agree but now like we've we've stated multiple times
00:56:04
within the last hour this is very similar to the amityville horror case which started
00:56:10
with the defeat defeo yeah defeo murders now in that case the brother which is in jail for the
00:56:19
murders of his whole family has made statements all along that it wasn't just him that his sister that his
00:56:26
sister was involved so so we have to then as investigators look at this of again i don't
00:56:35
want to believe anything that she's saying because of this trauma state i don't think i don't think she's well
00:56:42
and hold on for a second because i think again what tests were done do we did we have
00:56:50
any tests done to see if she fired any shots that day because let's say there was something going on
00:56:59
in the family that we do not know about we have a tempered brother do we have a tempered sister
00:57:05
do we have this family tree seems a little confusing to me who's brothers and who's half brothers
00:57:15
and and is there's obviously multiple guys older gentlemen that were at the house
00:57:23
what's going on with their family life what's going on in their mother's life is she simply stating
00:57:31
well i think it was an older gentleman to throw off the idea that this would be a situation where it would
00:57:39
be two siblings involved in the murder of their their friends and family i'm just saying that you have to i think
00:57:46
as an investigator at least put that on the table yeah the other three guys that were
00:57:52
present two of them were high school students and one is reported to be sherry k shaffer's boyfriend the mother
00:57:59
right um again that's those are simple tests that you need to run because well they may have been run it's it's
00:58:10
just disappointing this is right when you have a community that's calling into question your findings
00:58:16
why haven't you made those announcements and can't find his dell earnhardt jr hat
00:58:21
well the the problem here is we have a sheriff's office who clearly closed the case very quickly too quickly
00:58:28
100 percent too quickly right their statements are that this was also investigated by the prosecutor's office
00:58:36
and bci ohio bci right bureau of criminal investigation so they may if bci is there on the scene
00:58:47
i'm sure that they ran those tests right it's just disappointing to find out that we can't
00:58:55
we can't come to the conclusion that they got it right because they're not they're not presenting us with the
00:59:00
evidence of such and there's enough of a question to do so and maybe people are out there going you know what they don't
00:59:05
have to do that this is not a trial i get that but when when the community is confused and not convinced that you
00:59:13
got it right give us a little something to go on now well not to throw the sister on the bus like i did but
00:59:20
if her statement is correct and it was an older gentleman with a heavier build then it wasn't her brother and then we
00:59:26
have somebody that is capable of murdering a whole family in two locations walking around willy-nilly
00:59:35
yeah well and the thing is people will call this into question two because look the sheriff's office didn't do a
00:59:44
thorough in my mind they didn't do a thorough investigation what we have here though is we have a doctor failure
00:59:51
he's the coroner you know he has to investigate anything where there's a there's a violent death
00:59:58
be it a homicide or a suicide or both and you know maybe if they're right in this case both right
01:00:05
he was met with a basically with a roadblock from the sheriff's department when he calls up
01:00:12
and he's trying to get his questions answered they don't want to give him any information they're mad at him because
01:00:19
he was the one that went to osu and got the statement from stacy the sheriff's department the logan
01:00:25
county sheriff's department didn't even bother to go to osu and talk to the sole survivor
01:00:31
to get a statement from from her yeah and then it goes back to our age-old question that we've asked a
01:00:38
million times about these stupid investigators lazy because it seems like we got a bunch of
01:00:45
lazy investigators on this case so one thing that i think was pretty thorough as i mean as much of a
01:00:52
roadblock as he was met with this doctor failure um he did go as far to show stacey a picture of a gray-haired emt
01:01:01
member who was working on stacy at the scene right so he he took it a step further and said
01:01:08
well maybe this is the person she's remembering right and that doesn't seem according to stacy that's not who she
01:01:15
said that she saw that day yeah again i i think stacy's opinion matters quite a bit and now i know she was
01:01:26
saying that her brother was abusive towards their mother but it seems as if you can be abusive and not kill a whole
01:01:36
family well it almost seems that what she's stating by by her eyewitness account is okay i saw
01:01:44
this other other individual but i also think my brother wasn't capable of this and look everybody has grown up
01:01:52
in a family where there's some troubled times for some troubled people where maybe the relationship between the
01:02:00
older sibling isn't going as well um and they have some temper issues for a small period of time
01:02:09
but that doesn't always equal a murderer right or even a criminal and it doesn't even seem like
01:02:16
this kid had much of a past other than his mother calling yeah you want to talk about behavioral
01:02:25
issues if he had them um that as you point out that's the only thing that we have
01:02:30
going back six years for his school record he had one disciplinary action against
01:02:37
him and that was for being tardy right in the span of six years we don't see any fighting any shouting or yelling
01:02:44
at anybody you know nothing that would go along with some of the behaviors that that we believe might have been going on
01:02:51
according to what stacy's father says and what this uh domestic violence counselor
01:02:59
states i get again we have multiple statements by the family the crimes were committed against the family
01:03:05
so maybe it's again a situational thing where at school he was fine but for some
01:03:11
reason the dynamics of the household weren't healthy and and that caused him to not be able to control his temper and to
01:03:20
be a jack wagon and be abusive towards his mother one thing that i find interesting too is
01:03:28
the very same agency that we are criticizing for their lack of an investigation or or lack of a thorough
01:03:35
investigation they're also the other suspect in this case there are people out there that believe
01:03:44
that either the sheriff's office covered this up or looked the other way or maybe even
01:03:53
was somehow involved in this shooting why is that okay for for a couple reasons one
01:04:02
detective there's a detective stout that was after the the massacre he's kind of in
01:04:09
charge of keeping in touch with stacy and mind you stacy's 15 years old yeah at some point this is within months of
01:04:19
her mom brother friends and grandparents being killed they their relationship starts to cross some
01:04:30
lines and some boundaries here yeah he's like in his he's in his late 30s and late 30s to 15 is a lot worse than
01:04:40
18 to 14. now i do want to point out this is a bit of a for the most part this is a bit of
01:04:46
a he said she said kind of story because he says he didn't do anything wrong she says that they did have some kind of
01:04:54
physical relationship the only thing that takes it past he said she said was that in october the same year after
01:05:03
this baby no the the same year of the shooting i believe it was in october she is living with her stepmother and her
01:05:15
father right right her stepmother picks up the landline stacy's on the phone with somebody she
01:05:22
accidentally picks up the landline and she hears stacy talking to detective stout
01:05:28
they're making arrangements to meet up that weekend right that coming weekend so
01:05:34
immediately stepmom gets off the phone contacts her husband and she's saying we have to get somebody else involved in
01:05:41
outside agency in this whole thing because everything that this the sheriff's office was rumored to be
01:05:47
involved in which was drugs and sex with underage girls she goes oh my god it's true i i heard
01:05:56
stout on the phone with with our daughter right trying to make some kind of arrangements
01:06:01
and apparently i think she was turning 16 or had just turned 16 a couple weeks before that
01:06:08
so of course this 30 some year old douche [ __ ] isn't gonna admit to this of course and and so we're just not
01:06:17
going to believe her she's been through all this trauma well i'm not saying i don't believe her but i i did want to
01:06:23
point out that we there is we got to be fair you know it is a it is for the most part other than that one
01:06:31
witness ear witness statement it is a he said she said situation now he is charged he gets charged
01:06:40
uh with several counts of something but it wasn't statutory rape these were these were minor charges that he was
01:06:47
brought up on of course because his own department's not going to charge them with major
01:06:52
charges not if they're also doing the same thing well what ends up happening i i want to kind of keep this part short
01:06:58
because there's still a lot of stuff to get to he ends up getting convicted of some
01:07:04
very minor charges which and he resigns from the sheriff's office good and it's it doesn't sound like this
01:07:13
was a resigning that he he he was all did the right thing kind of thing i think the sheriff forced this man to
01:07:20
resign because the sheriff's official statements was hey i could prove on several occasions
01:07:27
this guy was going out and doing things that he had no approval to do he was he wasn't
01:07:33
out working his job like he's supposed to he was out fraternizing with this girl right now
01:07:41
the reason why i say he said she said i believe what she says and she says it was all consensual and i believe most of
01:07:49
what she says the only thing that i take a little bit of issue with and i get it because she's
01:07:53
a victim and she was probably embarrassed the reason why he only got convicted of
01:07:59
very minor charges is because she refused to testify against him at at this trial right
01:08:06
but what the local rumor was at the time was that some of these sheriff's deputies were up to no good that either
01:08:13
they were involved in they were involved in illegal activity is what the rumors were at the time that
01:08:18
it could have been drugs could have been going with these underage girls right and so
01:08:26
where this whole conspiracy comes into play is that according to robert st claire
01:08:34
that the night before the moody massacre there was a call that came into the sheriff's office
01:08:41
and this was stacy and scott's grandfather called the sheriff's office to complain
01:08:49
that some of the sheriff's deputies were having sex with his granddaughter and her friends there's a motive and he he
01:08:58
says he says you know have sheriff henry call me first thing in the morning now mind you it's a
01:09:03
holiday weekend sheriff henry is off we already talked about that yeah so don't call me or have other officers come over
01:09:10
and kill my whole family so what what is thought that might have happened is that the sheriff's
01:09:16
department i shouldn't say department it makes it sound like everybody was involved right right but a couple of
01:09:21
these bad seeds a couple of these bad apples maybe they got somebody to go out and
01:09:28
kill this family to put and thought that stacy was done and unable to say any different and that when they
01:09:36
arrive on the scene or even before the shooter leaves the house let's put the gun in this kid's
01:09:42
hands and now it's an open and closed case yeah i mean there's just so many things
01:09:48
that don't make a lot of sense i mean you're a quarter mile away and there's multiple gunshots to kill the
01:09:56
grandparents and nobody wakes up at the household they all all still just get shot in their sleep yeah certain
01:10:04
things don't make a lot of sense it seems like there's more than one individual involved in this crime well
01:10:10
keep in mind the grandparents they were up and at it they were they were moving around they were they
01:10:16
weren't sleeping and somebody surprised them and killed them in their sleep right they're making breakfast in the
01:10:21
morning yeah they've found on their kitchen floor so did two people come in and do that job
01:10:28
now the the problem here too is that a lot of people say well scott moody didn't even have any guns mind you the
01:10:36
gun that was found was a 22 caliber semi-automatic automatic excuse me marlon rifle
01:10:44
these people say scott didn't have any guns so remember the sheriff's official statement his first statement was that
01:10:51
oh he you know shot he he got up loaded his gun walked to his grandparents house shot them in the
01:10:59
kitchen walked all the way back and then killed everybody going room to room and
01:11:03
then killed himself right well that statement has to change if in fact it's true that scott moody had no
01:11:10
guns their later statement will say that scott moody went to his grandparents house with the purpose of getting a gun
01:11:18
because his grandfather did own several guns right so he took the gun from his grandpa killed them and then came back
01:11:24
and killed the family if scott did it it's believed that he went down to their basement got the gun came upstairs
01:11:30
surprised them killed both of them then went home killed everybody then killed himself
01:11:35
right again but we don't have any type of motive other than possibly that he went into a rage
01:11:44
into a some kind of temper tantrum and and that's only again we don't have a long history of that well then here's
01:11:54
another problem with the gun there's a lot of problems with the gun you already pointed it out no gsr that we've been
01:11:59
told of no ballistics that we've been told of okay scott didn't have any guns well
01:12:05
that's fine the gun belonged to his grandfather well there's an issue with that gary shaffer the grandfather his brother
01:12:13
comes out and says look i knew all of my brother's guns he never he says i never saw a 22 caliber before
01:12:22
at my brother's home right and he said he never would have bought a used firearm the firearm the rifle that was
01:12:30
found either next to scott moody or on his person was last registered to a kevin miller
01:12:41
was registered as the owner of the firearm and he says that he recalls that he sold it to a ray gillenwater
01:12:48
g-i-l-l-e who is now now deceased um i don't i don't think these two people have any connection to
01:13:00
the sheriff's office or to the moody family so it seems this gun seems strange so what is the chain of ownership of
01:13:09
of this gun did it belong to the grandfather or somehow did it make its way to scott
01:13:15
moody in in that scott moody actually owned it just that's these people coming forward
01:13:21
didn't know about it and again this damn coin flip it up in the air and see what
01:13:25
side it lands on because you have several people that say scott didn't like guns
01:13:30
but then you have other people that say yeah he he went deer hunting a time or two uh he he probably had a gun to shoot
01:13:38
groundhogs or you know pests that would come onto the farm right so really it's it's tricky and it's
01:13:45
difficult and i i think but also to back up that the the statement that the grandfather called
01:13:54
and wanted to talk to the sheriff about his daughter's sexual relationships with
01:14:00
officers she would be able to back up that story right because she already you would
01:14:06
think so unless she already talked about one inappropriate relationship with the officer and again
01:14:13
we don't have that statement from stacy we have the statements about the inappropriate actions by detective stout
01:14:18
but we don't have any statements that are backing up if in fact we should point out if in
01:14:24
fact her grandfather did call the sheriff's office the night before complaining with this complaint
01:14:31
or is this just something that because there's a lot of times in cases where we can't find answers and we and
01:14:37
and then the true crime world starts creating their own answers and you see this in a lot of cases where
01:14:45
there's some police conspiracy you know look at the maura murray case i mean people have brought that up for years
01:14:54
that there's possibly a police conspiracy so you know where you don't have a lot
01:15:00
maybe there were these tests run but they haven't been those statements haven't been issued to
01:15:07
the community and now we have a bunch of questions are we filling in the gaps with
01:15:13
information that's not even correct do we even know for a fact that that the grandfather called
01:15:19
and and that would give some kind of motive for conspiracy according to robert st claire
01:15:26
um that that call was the the officer that answered that call took down a note to because he's got to pass along this
01:15:37
information to have sheriff henry actually call this person back right so he's saying that there was some kind
01:15:44
of paper trail that that that a call came in from the grandfather but doesn't it may not state exactly what it is and
01:15:51
you point out something very smart here and i don't think it's the true crime community in this case as it
01:15:59
as it often is in most cases right i think in this case to the true crime community to people
01:16:05
outside of belle fountain outside of logan county ohio this really on the surface just looks
01:16:11
like some kid that lost it that that something was a bruin it bubbled over and he impulsively killed his family and
01:16:19
then himself that's one on the surface what it looks like right you have the community
01:16:25
the the locals that are unsatisfied with the answers that they're getting they're
01:16:30
the ones that start to fill in the gaps they're the ones that start to fill in the blanks and now
01:16:35
we have this whole conspiracy theory and it goes beyond that because the sheriff's office to be to be frank
01:16:44
they were not they had some bad boys on this department they 100 percent did we know that stout loses his job
01:16:53
there was another officer that was caught on one of those baby cams you know you have the baby cam that you set
01:16:59
up in your living room or somewhere in your home yeah he was going over to these people's home
01:17:06
and having sex with the babysitter while they were gone but but yeah they watched
01:17:11
the baby cam footage one night and they're like you imagine that you you turn on the baby cam footage to make
01:17:16
sure that the babysitter's not screwing her boyfriend on the couch or or ignoring the baby and just watching
01:17:23
tv the whole time or talking to her friend on the phone the whole time you put on the baby cam footage and you see
01:17:29
an officer of the law in his uniform on your tv screen yeah so you put it on pause and go get some popcorn put some
01:17:37
butter on it maybe some parmesan cheese and finish watching you know they see they
01:17:42
see the an officer of the law there and they're going well what's why why would he be there and then right then the
01:17:48
clothes start coming off and they're like well we know why he's there now yeah wow he's another one that that uh
01:17:55
is off of the force and how old was this babysitter um i'm a little unclear of that it
01:18:01
the way that it's presented to me if she were under 16 there would be there would be severe charges against
01:18:09
this guy maybe and since there were not charges well again what do you mean maybe they
01:18:15
got video footage of the guy they got pornographic video footage of of this stuff going down you can't
01:18:21
really was it me you can't really have a sheriff's office just go well we didn't
01:18:26
no we don't think that actually happened i was making a service call wasn't me i was having sex with the babysitter on
01:18:33
the baby cam wasn't me i do want to point out something too regarding our recommended reading
01:18:38
captain we said saving stacy the untold story of the moody massacre by rob st claire one thing that i found one it's
01:18:46
it's a very easy read because it's it's incredibly interesting it's right it's a
01:18:51
fast read because it's such a page turner but one thing that i really liked about his
01:18:57
book is he's not creating a narrative he doesn't say this is what happened and this is the conspiracy theory and this
01:19:04
is how it happened he doesn't point that out at all he doesn't try to he pulls dragons down the garage and just says we
01:19:10
don't know he yeah he doesn't try to drag you down that road he just says look here's all the inconsistencies in
01:19:17
this case yeah he's he's kind of saying the same thing that i think you and i are both saying here
01:19:23
we don't have enough information to determine if scott moody was in fact the shooter a lot of things point to him
01:19:29
being the shooter but there's plenty of questions that you have to call into question yeah
01:19:35
tons of holes in this story and and tons of things that it's as simple as this department that's
01:19:43
under heavy questioning your job is to serve and protect not to be having sex with underage girls that's sick you know
01:19:52
grow up and then on top of that so again serve and protect right but it's also for you
01:19:59
to keep calmness like i said calm people's nerves if we think there's another shooter out there so if you have
01:20:05
answers to these questions it's your obligation to present these to the community to let
01:20:12
them know that this is what we found these are the tests that we ran these are what the
01:20:16
test showed us and because you need to have some kind of confidence in your law enforcement
01:20:24
and it's uh pathetic that these that these officers would even call themselves officers because this is not
01:20:32
the action of every police officer out there and and most police officers are out
01:20:37
there trying to protect and serve and and not trying to get into the pants of underage girls yeah it's not even the
01:20:45
actions of everyone on that department at that time exactly and but we've pointed that out plenty of times but if
01:20:51
i'm a officer on that in that department i'm i'm going to the head of every department saying
01:20:58
release this information yeah because these guys have drug our name and our badge through the mud
01:21:05
and and we need to we need to stop this and and the community has rights to have
01:21:11
these answers but isn't it that that makes you question if they even have that they might not you know that that's it
01:21:18
makes me question if they even have that at all that leans more towards that to me would lean more towards a
01:21:27
conspiracy than anything i think it's been you know it's been 15 years almost 15 years i think we we
01:21:34
could i thought going into this that i was going to be able to answer all my questions that i had on it because so
01:21:41
much time has passed but obviously that's not the case and i also want to give two shout outs here captain
01:21:48
i spoke with ben southerly and jim de brosie i think is how you say his last name right um
01:21:56
both of them were they did a lot of the newspaper coverage on this case at the time
01:22:02
both of them were kind enough to pick up the phone and answer some of my questions
01:22:07
even with the case being you know 15 years old so shout out to those guys they didn't
01:22:12
answer any of my questions well i don't call them i don't think that you called them i think this is a great case
01:22:18
to do uh even more of a deep dive into and i'd like to hear people's thoughts and and questions that
01:22:25
they have that maybe law enforcement will be checking the blog so if you have any thoughts or opinions on this please
01:22:32
go to truechromegarage.com and leave those on the blog well and as we said there's so many things to debate
01:22:38
in this case just with scott himself in the finding of his body in the state of his body when they find it at the scene
01:22:48
i mean we have two shots for one suicide right you can argue that all day and night
01:22:55
also the gun the trigger is found in his weak hand yeah he's right-handed is found in his
01:23:01
left hand now i will also say by that same regard that if somebody's determined enough to kill
01:23:08
themselves they don't care if it's their weak or strong hand that's being used but
01:23:14
the blood on scott's bed is weird okay so they find blood remember he was found at the bottom of the bed with his
01:23:22
legs hanging off of the bed no shirt on yeah no shirt on they find blood all the
01:23:27
way up at the top of the bed and the way that this has been described is not so much as
01:23:33
blood spatter which which it very well could have been right but it's described almost as
01:23:39
somebody moved the body that somebody drug a bleeding scot from the top of the bed all the way down to the bed and then
01:23:47
left him in that state before fleeing the scene the other thing that people call into
01:23:53
question too is with so much blood and if somebody went from room to room shooting each one of these people
01:24:02
you can clearly see scott's socks in some of the crime scene photos on his feet still on his feet and
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