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uncover a lot of very questionable material that I think is going to lead us to have other questions about this
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James Dean Warley. So on Thursday, July 21st and for the next few days after, we
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have police on the scene. They are going to be combing through James Worley's home and 3 acre rural property. So he's
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got out buildings. You could call them a barn or or barns, but he has outuildings
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on this large property. This is located on County Road 6 in Delta, Ohio, which again is uh in Fulton. So, this is about
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six miles away from Metamora. They raided this home, raided the property and searched it. An FBI task force
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arrived at the home on that Thursday, the 21st, and they noted that James Worley seemed to be upset that they had
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returned. He had an aggressive demeanor. he allowed them into his home. You know,
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that's what the reports say. But but really, what choice does he have if they have warrants to search the property,
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right? So, he takes some of the investigators out to the barn where he has what is what he refers to as his
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workshop. And and we do know that he did work out of his home for some time. And
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that is, you know, he's licensed to do so. and he operated some kind of shop out of this barn at one time. He also
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had like a a haul business where he would drive a truck and haul away junk and things like that that he had
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operated for some period of time. Again, from the Toledo Blade excavators, a dive
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team, and several law enforcement agencies combed the obscured property, which is largely blocked from view by
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trees and crops. Searches were conducted in several structures on his property, including the house, garage, barn,
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trailer, vehicles, and a pond. A dive team and boat were brought in to plum the pond, and members of law enforcement
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poured over every inch of the 3 acre property. Now, as the search proceeded, so now we go to Friday, the next day. As
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the search proceeds, James Worley was arrested for the abduction of Sierra Joan. She wasn't found at this point,
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but Sergeant Matthew Smith Meyer of the Fulton County Sheriff's Office wrote a search warrant for his DNA that read,
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"Warley fits the profile of a serial offender and could potentially have additional unknown victims who could
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have been kept at the above described location." So that's he would have the address on this paperwork here. Based
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upon my knowledge and experience, these types of offenders will often keep trophies. So they are looking for not
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just evidence that he has done something to Sierra. They're also looking for, as
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he puts it, trophies that Wartley may have kept, if he did in fact have other victims. What we do know here, Captain,
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is that no bodies were found on the property, but what was found was absolutely horrific. It's the stuff that
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would be out of a horror film. Here we're going to be quoting portions of the investigative report on James
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Worley's case. Officers asked for and received permission from him to collect DNA and fingerprint standards through
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multiple investigations on his property. They found a hidden compartment in the floor of this barn. Okay, it's referred
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to in the this report as a floor, but it's it's technically a dirt floor. Okay. The compartment was nearly flush
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with the dirt floor. The compartment was covered by a piece of wood that measured
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about 40 in x 40 in. The wood had 20 drilled holes that were evenly distributed over the surface of this
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piece of wood. Removal of the wood revealed a buried chest freezer. You know, the type of freezer that you
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people will usually keep it for if they have a surplus of of meat or frozen goods. It's one of those ones you open
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up from the top, right? So, they find this chest freezer buried in the the dirt floor of this barn. The
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interior of the freezer is lined with brown colored carpet. Swabs were collected from each side of
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the freezer walls. Later, we would learn that those swabs tested positive for human blood. There was a green storage
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crate in the barn as well that was examined for potential evidence. The crate contained numerous items. Many
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items had been placed inside this crate in a in clear plastic bags that were labeled. And so some of these items,
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Captain, this included a leather mask and bindings, panty hose, lace and bra, panties, black lace, a dress, Daisy Duke
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style shorts, white a white beach dress, a white romper, lace panties, a red skirt, black mini dress, thigh high
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socks, thongs, a mask, leggings, pink lace teddy, black uh brown rope, unopened clothes line rope, black lace
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teddy, which I may have repeated that maybe there were two, and some personal hygiene items were also found. They
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found duct tape with hairs and fiber material on them. Yeah, this is not good. This is not stuff you normally
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find in a barn or no. Or as he described it, his workshop, which then makes you really wonder what the hell kind of work
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is he doing in his workshop of horrors here. Well, I was telling you earlier offmic that I was going back and
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watching Mine Hunter for the millionth time. And you have to remember that Ed Keer, the first conversation that he had
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with FBI agents, he states that killing to him was a vocation. So workshop, is this part of his work?
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According to archboldbuckeye.com citing an affidavit, the freezer was secured from the outside
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with a ratchet strap and blood was found on the walls of the hidden room. Here they're
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referring to this freezer as like a hidden room. Or the other thing too, what they might be referring to here,
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Captain, I'm a little uncertain, but the way that this barn, I've actually spoke
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to a deputy that was inside this barn. The way that it was described to me is that there was a portion of the barn,
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like a back portion, where items were stacked up almost making a false wall. Yeah. And th and this hole in the floor
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was basically in that room in that section. Yeah. So I would describe it as like a you have a secret room and within
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that secret room you have a secret hidden spot or hidden room in the floor. So this may be what they're referring to
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as the hidden room along So they also says along with restraints for holding humans against
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their will. The freezer is not only buried in the ground, accessible through the top, you know, the lid portion, but
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was also it's secured from the outside. So, if somebody were to be placed inside
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this freezer, they can't get out because he's got these ratchet straps locking this freezer up. This freezer wasn't,
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you know, nice and clean refrigerant air for extra food or anything like that from Costco. This
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freezer was found buried under the floor of a secret room in his barn and was secured with a strap. And one of the BCI
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agents stated that the freezer smelled a lot like bleach, like overwhelmingly powerful smell of bleach.
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Now, what we do know though is if he was using bleach to try to hide and eradicate evidence, it wasn't sufficient
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enough to destroy all traces because we do know that they found blood uh some traces of blood inside this freezer.
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Authorities also found hidden cameras, including a nanny cam, as well as several pairs of women's underwear, one
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soaked in blood and lengths of rope. They found zip ties, a ski mask, pepper spray, firearms, and ammunition. They
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also found adult diapers, white tube socks, and a tube top, a women's tube top. So, some of these
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items are similar to what was found on Sierra when her body was recovered. And from the outside,
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this barn doesn't look like something from like something that would belong on Leatherface's property. No, it's it's
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not completely condemned or anything, right? It looks like a workshop on somebody's property. Uh again, maybe
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that's to keep out if you keep up outside appearances, it keeps people outside. Well, and another item here
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too, Captain, that is of significance. I mean, all these items are, of course, but keep in mind he
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is Warley's prevented from owning firearms due to his previous felony convictions. And so, these finding
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handguns or what they found was a loaded Smith and Wesson handgun, a rifle with a
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cartridge in the chamber, and a shotgun. So, he's not allowed to have these items
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right away. these items were these guns were hidden on the property or described
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as being hidden on the property. So, this is going to further escalate their investigation here because now they've
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they already believe that he's abducted responsible for what happened to Sierra.
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But on top of that, they're finding evidence at his property that he's he may have committed other crimes. But at
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the very least, he's guilty of having these guns that he's not allowed to to have. Again, from the Toledo Blade, this
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is horrific. James Worley described the items he he says he bought those items, right? The all the weird items, all the
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women's clothing that we went through. He said that he bought those items online and he referred to those items as
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girlfriend stuff. and he was told investigators that he had plans to start filming amateur
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pornography with women that he might contact on classified websites like Craigslist and Back
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Page that he that he was going to start filming pornography at his workshop. I guess this is something that
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we talked about when we looked into this case years ago and we wanted to circle back and cover this case again because a
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lot since then has been learned about James Worley. There was a lot of suspicion about him back then but now
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we've learned a lot more about James Worley and and because because there would later be a trial in this case. We
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learn a lot specifically about this case and the evidence that they had in this case that stuff we just simply didn't
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know when we covered it the first time. But one thing we did talk about was a interaction a communication that he had
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with his he was required to attend counseling sessions after he was convicted for abducting Robin Gardner.
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And it's still unclear how this information got out since it was told to a therapist during the course of
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treatment, but it it may be it might be likely that the therapist reported it because he or she felt that it was it
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signified that James Worley was a threat. But anyway, what we did learn is that at some point during the course of
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that counseling, he had said at one point, quote, learned from each abduction he had done and the next one
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he was going to bury. End quote. Well, I also wonder if he was if his mandatory counseling sessions through the court
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if the privileges are are not the same. Well, Barry, he did Right. And regardless of what efforts he was going
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to do to try to conceal his horrible crimes, Sierra was found one mile west and one mile south from Warley's house
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of horrors. So, they're going to charge him with aggravated murder. This case moved along very quickly. Well, they had
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a lot of evidence against him. A lot of evidence. He gets a public defender. Well, he wanted to save some money. So,
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he he his reported income is very little. Like he was only making like $1,000 a year for for a year or two leading up to
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this. But it sounds like, remember we had talked about the mother, the elderly mother who was moved off to a nursing
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home at some point. I have to believe that he was living off of her social security because she was
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getting regular payments. That's a very good possibility. Warley's lawyer waved the preliminary hearing and a grand jury
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considered whether to charge him. In August of 2016, he was indicted on 19 counts. So, two counts of abduction,
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four counts of kidnapping, two counts of uh felonious assault, two counts of murder, two counts of aggravated murder,
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two counts of aggravated robbery, possession of criminal tools, tampering with evidence, abuse of a corpse, and
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two counts of possessing weapons under disability, meaning as a convicted felon, he was not allowed to own guns.
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They found guns on the property. He plead not guilty to all 19 charges. This individual to me has a lot of
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similarities to the bad guy in True Detective season 1. You have a property, the green man. Yeah. You
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have a property that's not owned by him. It's owned by the family. It's kind of out in the middle
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of nowhere. Like I was telling you, I played gigs up around this location for years,
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and it was a beautiful drive up to the gigs, but there was something haunting and something a
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little scary when you're driving roads that you're not aware. You're not aware of your surroundings. There's not houses
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close together. So, you could just be on a stretch of road that's nothing but corn fields. So if you break down or
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something, where are you going to get help? But you got this property all by himself essentially. Yeah. His mother
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was there for a time period, but was she going out into his workshop, quote unquote? And and then he also looks
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similar to the bad guy in True Detective season 1, like similar stature. This is
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not a guy that if he was running after you in a cornfield would you I it's bad news. Well, this is how
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feeble-minded I am, my good friend. There is a delicious, absolutely fantastic brewery called Greenman
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Brewery. They make some really good beers, but ever since that first season of True Detective, I can't bring myself
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to drink any of their beer. and their their logo looks a little bit like the the picture of the drawing when they
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have the the girl who was abducted and got away and yeah, the girl that was chased uh through the woods by the green
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man with spaghetti hair or something like that. Yeah, their logo looks a little bit like that. Now, they've been
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around since the late 90s. They came before that show. So, I don't know if that was the writer's intention of
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ruining Green Man Brewery, but yeah, he he added out for that brewing company. Yeah, he ruined it for me. Now, let's
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get But think about this. I just And I think this is important or this is an observation that that I think I've made.
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Please tell me if you agree or or disagree. This is not a situation where James knew that Sierra was out there.
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Chances are, it's a beautiful day. It's the reason why she rode her bike to her boyfriend's house. It's a beautiful day.
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So that's the reason why her boyfriend rode her almost all the way back to her grandparents house. So on this beautiful
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day, James decides to take his motorcycle out for a ride as the sun is setting. What's so strange to me is how
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these monsters and and the make no mistake about it. This guy's an absolute monster. Yeah.
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But think about what he was doing. If your buddy called you and said, "Oh, it was a beautiful day yesterday,
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Colonel, and I jumped on my bike, and put my sunglasses on, put my little helmet on, and went went out for a
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ride." You'd think, "Oh, that just sounds so nice and peaceful, and your buddy's just trying to live his life to
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the fullest." And and I believe that's probably what James was doing that day. But then he comes across Sierra and
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because of his urges or his demented mind, this is what happens. But but I think it's important
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to talk about in the sense of how one action we all can relate to. We can all get behind and go that's that's somebody
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living their life to the fullest. And then you know within minutes that person then turns in to a monster just because
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of they see an opportunity. Well, we've been doing this a long time. I agree with what you're saying. We've been
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doing this a long time and rarely am I shook. And I'm shook in this case because there's some stuff that's pretty
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scary. I actually think, you know, he didn't abduct Sierra and then bury the freezer in the floor of his barn. He
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didn't abduct Sierra and then create a a hidden room. He didn't abduct a a young
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woman and then have all these girlfriend stuff items that he claims that he has.
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Some of the terrifying things aspects in particular about this case is to me he appears
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to always kind of be looking for a lone and vulnerable female. And how many times
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did he come across somebody and not act on that? But he did on this occasion and
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he did with Robin Gardner well in a 26-y year time span and I know he was in prison for some of that time span but
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for about six years let's say five to six years of that how many attacks how many victims and because of his job
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again this is very similar to the the villain in True Detective having a a job that you kind of you
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roam and your your whereabouts are kind of not known to anybody but you. And because of the line of work,
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you always have a kill kit on you because those are the the tools that you're going to use for your job. The
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other thing that's terrifying about this is the location. Okay, which this is a beautiful part of our state. It really
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it really is. But then when you start to apply things that you know about this case when we hear that he it's believed
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off of the cell phone information that he was at the abduction site for 2 hours. He's there for two hours and
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nobody sees any of this. Nobody sees any of this for for about a 2-hour time period and then he buries her
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roadside on County Road 7 off of the road. And I mean it's not very far off of the road. It and it it takes a while
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to try to bury somebody and he's there and nobody sees this either. That I mean that stuff is it really makes
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you really really can get you you thinking and your imagination going the wrong way when you're out in a place in
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Tall hands in the air. Cheers to you, Colonel. Cheers to you, Captain. Uh, you will be happy to know when we get to the
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trial, the evidence against this monster is overwhelming to say the least. So, we're not going to go through everything
00:27:52
and we we'll go through some of the highlights here, but you'll be happy to know that there was a a couple weeks
00:27:59
ago, we had a case that we were talking about. believe it was a case where there's an arrest. Uh so you could call
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it a a solved case or a closed case if you if you want, but we had a Jensen in that case. And I think what we need is
00:28:12
more Jensen's in in the world and in these true crime stories because it seems like where there's a Jensen,
00:28:18
there's an arrest. So in this case, we have Joseph Jensen, an FBI agent who worked on the cellular analysis survey
00:28:26
team up in Detroit, Michigan. He was the one that could place James Worley with Sierra through the cell phone records.
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And he told the jury that Sierra's Verizon records and Worley's Sprint records showed they were in the same
00:28:44
location in the cornfield at the same location on his property and at the same location where they eventually find her
00:28:52
body. Warley got a call at 7:43 PM when he was in the cornfield. So that would be at the abduction scene. I I really
00:29:05
want to know who called him and we we can get into that on off the record and some speculation that I have in in this
00:29:11
case and some others as well. Could just be a job because it could be a nothing.
00:29:16
Yeah. Right. Somebody calling him to see if he can pick up trash somewhere. I got
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20 spam calls yesterday. So, who knows? But Agent Jensen told the jury that the phones were in the same general area of
00:29:27
each other at the same time. So, that that is huge evidence there. But, of course, we also know that Warley's and
00:29:35
Sierra's both of their DNA was found on that motorcycle helmet. Sierra's in the form of blood. A partial palm print from
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Warley was also on the helmet. The theory of the prosecution team based on the evidence uncovered during the
00:29:50
investigation was that Warley was on his motorcycle when he passed Sierra on her
00:29:54
bike. Then he goes up ahead and he hid himself in the motorcycle potentially in the corn and when she bikes by, he runs
00:30:04
out and attacks her, shove shoving her off of the bike, hitting her several times with in the head with his helmet,
00:30:10
knocking her out. He left the helmet by the roadside where it was later recovered by the farmer and then Worley
00:30:17
took Sierra into the cornfield again. He's there for a period of time. Somehow incapacitates her and rode his bike home
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after dark to only to return in his truck, probably to pick her up and transport her back to the hidden room in
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his barn. Warley's DNA was found on the sunglasses he dropped at the abduction site. What about the screwdriver? That's
00:30:39
a good question. Uh, what we do know is I do believe it was his screwdriver, but
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I don't I can't find anywhere that they were able to link that to him. Not only did they find Sierra's bike at the in
00:30:50
the cornstcks, they also found blood on the cornstcks. Remember when we went through
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that scene, right? And then they find they made a determination that they found Sierra's blood in his barn on his
00:31:06
property. So the the evidence is Yeah. But of course this monster is going to say, "Well, I'm innocent. This was this
00:31:14
was all planted." Well, who who was it planted by, James? Well, it must have been the police. They found a rubber
00:31:21
glove on County Road 7. This would be near the where they recovered her body, and it had both Worley's and Sierra's
00:31:30
DNA on it. They found a piece of duct tape, and it had both of their DNA on it. This is about as open and shut a
00:31:39
case can get. I mean, when you're when you're at tri I'm surprised, you know, this is murder. And
00:31:45
we read through the 19 charges that that they brought against him. And they did they did openly mention that there was
00:31:53
going to be a threat of the death penalty here. And so when you compare this to previous
00:32:01
charges and other cases where he did plead guilty, it makes sense that he wasn't going to do so here.
00:32:09
But the amount of evidence against this guy does not make it very difficult for the jury to come to a conclusion that
00:32:17
this guy is the person who he's responsible for what happened to this beautiful young woman. And of course the
00:32:24
the guilt they find him guilty guilty as hell on all counts. I don't know if you
00:32:30
have this information but I think it was at the sentencing maybe that uh Warley spoke on his behalf to claim that
00:32:40
he's innocent. And when he ended up calling her saying that she was a beautiful young woman or
00:32:48
whatever, he said that her whole family walked out of the courtroom. Yeah. They got tired of hearing him talk and one
00:32:57
tired of hearing him defend himself and probably sick to their stomach when he referred to her as a beautiful young
00:33:05
woman or what whatever he said. I purposely led that left that out of my notes because it it just disgusted me as
00:33:12
well because when we're talking about this guy who clearly clearly uh abducts women and then he there's a there's a
00:33:21
torture element to it for him that that just sickens me. And this guy he's really like a like a ugly
00:33:34
sloppy version of Ted Bundy. I mean, the Blitz Creek attack, very similar stuff here that we saw with with Ted Bundy and
00:33:45
some other individuals that we've reviewed here in the garage. Now, a little bit of history on him. I I
00:33:53
purposely included the dates of his sentencing on those on the previous times that he had been locked up, at
00:33:59
least the month of when he was locked up and the month when he was released because I really believe and I know that
00:34:06
law enforcement believe the same and I'm sure Sierra's family and Josh's family believe the same. This guy is a serial
00:34:14
not just it's proven in court that he's a serial offender. This guy's a serial killer. I'm I have it's I have no doubt
00:34:22
about it. No doubt in my mind that he is responsible for other victims. In fact,
00:34:27
part of his claim that he was framed involves another victim. There's a there's a young woman who went missing.
00:34:36
So, Claudia Tinsley goes missing in 1996. James Worley was questioned by police over her disappearance. This
00:34:45
young woman has never been found. and they question him about her disappearance. She's never been found.
00:34:51
And his claim that they framed me was that oh, they couldn't prove that I killed Claudia Tinsley. So,
00:34:58
when Sierra Joan ended up uh when somebody did this to Sierra Joan, they pinned it on me because all these years
00:35:07
they they've thought that I was guilty of murdering Claudia Tinsley. And the way that that story works out, he's the
00:35:14
last person seen with this woman who is never seen again. It had something to do
00:35:19
with the license plate. I don't know if if Claudia's mother wrote down the license plate or if Claudia wrote down
00:35:27
the license plate, but there was something about a license plate. That's how they tracked down this Warly guy.
00:35:32
Because Claudia's mother is like, "Yeah, the last time I saw her, she was leaving
00:35:37
with this guy in a car and she didn't know who the guy was." They tracked this license plate. It's a rented vehicle.
00:35:46
When they talk to the rental company, they're like, "Yeah, this James Dean Warley guy had rented the vehicle for
00:35:53
that day or that time period when Claudia goes missing." So, it's pretty clear that he may have be the last
00:36:02
person to have to see this woman that's never been heard from again. Like I said, the the tough thing about this
00:36:10
individual is his work when you can't, you know, he's not checking into a factory every day. He's basically
00:36:18
roaming around. And what have these killers taught us? or straight from the horse's mouth. What have they told us
00:36:28
that they go hunting? And so this monster had a job that allowed him to do so. Who who knows h how many and maybe
00:36:40
his brother would know where, you know, was he just working up in the northwest part of Ohio or is he roaming the whole
00:36:51
state? Is he roaming multiple states? the brother as I understand it I think he's got some disability so I'm not
00:36:59
certain what he would know but but you are bringing up there there is some speculation that if he had help there
00:37:07
there are very smart people very dialed in people that that have awareness of these cases and insights on these cases
00:37:15
that I've spoke to and say on one or two of these he may have had some kind of help and that there's a friend of
00:37:23
Warlies that that he was close to that that people suspect if he did have help, it would have either been the brother or
00:37:32
the friend. And because of the brother's disabilities, he may not have understood,
00:37:37
right, what his brother was, you know, kind of forcing him to to help him do. Another individual that I'm concerned
00:37:45
that Warley's probably responsible is Joanne Jasso. She was reported missing in December of 1983 by her family. On
00:37:56
December 13th, 1983, a Fulton County deputy was flagged down by County Road 11 at the near the intersection of
00:38:04
County Road 11 and County Road F. After this individual found a body, a nude body of a female lying in a ditch. This
00:38:13
body was later identified as Joanne Jasso. And this is this area. Captain is Delta, Ohio. You had referenced, well,
00:38:22
he's not going and checking in or clocking in every day. And he wasn't. You're right. At the time when he killed
00:38:29
Sierra, no, he he could roam. And that is some scary business. In 1983, when this young woman was killed, he was
00:38:41
clocking in. He was working on a large farm in Delta, Ohio in this area in this ve I mean so close to where her body was
00:38:50
found, right? He was working there at that time. And I think that 1983, I think that had technology been different
00:38:58
back then, they they could have connected this case to Warley. And then to to further along this suspicion that
00:39:08
this guy is a serial killer, I had a phone call earlier this week with a detective, a seasoned detective with
00:39:18
Toledo PD. So I'm on the phone with him regarding a whole another matter. And that other matter was the Porch Light
00:39:27
Project did some DNA work for Toledo PD. and we were able to identify this young woman who has it's
00:39:36
been unknown who she was. She was a Jane Doe since the late 80s. And so I'm talking to him about that case and I
00:39:42
happened to mention to him I said, "You guys, do you have any anything that physical evidence that could be tested
00:39:50
in relationship to James Worley?" I barely got the word Warly out of my big mouth before the detective goes, "That
00:39:59
guy Nick is a serial killer." We know it. We He goes, "Everybody up here knows it. Everybody up here knows it. Just
00:40:05
some of those cases are old. Some of them we don't have evidence." One thing that complicates matters in this area as
00:40:13
well when we start to look at James Worley and really put him under the microscope is there were there was
00:40:20
another serial killer operating in this area in 1980 1981. the Cook brothers were committing similar crimes to what I
00:40:30
suspect James Worley is guilty of. And so that makes things a little difficult when you try to when you try to look at
00:40:39
this. But the doctors, people much smarter than I, Captain diagnosed this guy as James Worley as a sexual satist.
00:40:48
That saying he has sexual sadism disorder, meaning he has a compulsion and obsession and really gets off on the
00:41:00
suffering and harming other people. Yeah. That's why he has a secret room and a secret room inside of that. I
00:41:06
mean, it's basically a torture chamber. And I think one of the difficult things for law enforcement will be is the
00:41:13
location. Yes, this this barn in and the the farm in which he lived on, owned by
00:41:19
his mother, was out in the middle of nowhere, but it's a stone throw away from what Toledo, not that far away from
00:41:26
Ann Arbor, not that far away from Bowling Green or Tiff or Finley, Ohio. And you're exactly right. I would be
00:41:34
looking at all of these locations because in the in the Tinsley case, she's last seen in the company of James
00:41:44
Worley. Once they track that license plate and that rental car to him and then they show the picture to Tinsley's
00:41:50
mother, she's like, "Yeah, that's the guy. That's the guy that was with my daughter." And that he picked her up in
00:41:59
Toledo, Ohio. So while he lived out in the country, he he would venture everywhere and like you had said earlier
00:42:06
and keep pointing out rightfully so is that for a period of time, he's driving around. You know, he's working a job
00:42:13
that that has him moving about in this general area of all of northwest Ohio and then parts of southern Michigan. He
00:42:23
does thankfully. You know, I don't want to get into a death penalty debate. I I can agree with people that think that
00:42:30
it's wrong. I can agree with people that think that it's right. In this case, I have no problem with the state of Ohio
00:42:38
killing a man like James Warley. I have no problem with them ending his life specifically. So, he does get the death
00:42:46
penalty. He gets convicted of this horrible, horrific murder. Again, their suspicion of what else he could be
00:42:55
responsible for. Everybody in northwest Ohio that knows about James Dean Warley,
00:43:02
that knows about the Sierra Jogging case, they all share the same question. How many more cases of abducted women is
00:43:11
James Worley responsible for? A lot of time elapsed between when he abducted Robin Gardner and when he abducted
00:43:19
Sierra. And what about before the attempt on Robin? We do know according to the records that Worley made
00:43:28
reference to each abduction when he spoke with the therapist after the 1990 case. He was 31 years old when he
00:43:36
abducted or attempted to abduct Robin Gardner. What about all those years prior to that incident when he was in
00:43:44
his prime offending years? We can only speculate who or what Warley was actually talking about when he said each
00:43:54
abduction. He had learned from each abduction. Well, it sucks too because we can't make this guy talk. We can't I
00:44:02
need to give another shout out here to some people that helped us out with this case. Our good friends up at
00:44:09
WT. They do the news up in the greater Toledo area. We have Brian Duggar who is we've become friends through the porch
00:44:19
light project and through Nancy Eaglesen's case. He does brilliant investigative work for
00:44:27
WT. He also helped us with the Clark and Stro case out of this same area. And he put me in touch with
00:44:37
Melissa Andrews who is now an anchor. She does the news up there and she was in communication with James
00:44:45
Worley after he was convicted and while he was on death row and and unfortunately due to circumstances here
00:44:52
in the state of Ohio and the temporary shutdown of the death penalty here, he's not been executed yet. In fact, it's not
00:45:00
by accident that we are circling around to this case once again on this date because he was due to be executed this
00:45:10
week by the state of Ohio. But because there's a temporary hold on that, the his execution date is now undetermined.
00:45:19
But he was in communication with Melissa Andrews and they traded letters and she
00:45:26
is has been the only person that has that he is granted an interview to and you can go on YouTube and find those
00:45:34
interview that interview that she did with James Worley and he doesn't like the captain said he doesn't admit to
00:45:40
anything. He doesn't admit to anything and he's not talking about these other cases that we suspect him of. I was in a
00:45:48
way hoping that as this execution date got closer and closer, maybe he would start to spill some of his dirty secrets
00:45:57
to the world. Perhaps giving some families the resolution they so desperately need before he goes straight
00:46:05
to hell. Want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage each and every week
00:46:21
and thanks for telling your mother and thanks for telling your brother. Colonel, do we have any recommended
00:46:26
reading for the beautiful listeners this week, Captain? Not so much reading, but
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if you want to do some reading, you can go to the website and read up on their vision, their mission, their fundraising
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Sierra case. And they put together efforts to educate, advocate, and empower women to fight back.
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Fortunately, they are rare, but unfortunately, they do exist. These monsters that abduct women. This is a
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