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This is True Crime Garage. And this is the case of the Aurora theater shooter. 315 and 314 for shooting at Century
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Theaters, 14300 East Alameda Avenue. They're saying somebody's shooting in the auditorium. 315 and 314, there is at
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least one person that's been shot, but they're saying there's hundreds of people just running around. 315, be
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advised 315, spraying the gas over here, too. 315, I need a rescue in here hot. We got
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a guy shot. And inside of theater nine? Just outside of theater nine. 316, we got another person outside shot in the
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leg, female. I got people running out of the theater, they're shot in room nine.
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318, we got another victim on the north side of this theater in the parking lot.
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I'm being told that he's in theater nine. From what I'm smelling inside, I can't
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Sounds like it's OC, maybe, too. Get us some gas masks for theater nine. We can't get in it.
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410, he has a party in car shot, plates 240 John Deere. I have I have It's a Kia.
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Copy. Copy. There is another victim in the white Kia. Where is that vehicle at? Searching Adam. I need a marked car
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behind the theater stable side. There's a suspect in the gas mask. Hello, hold the air one second. Car with that white
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car in the rear of the lot, is that a suspect? Yes, we got rifles, gas masks. He's the
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same right now. He's got open doors going into the theater. Okay, hold that position. Hold your
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suspect. 15, I got seven down in theater nine. Seven down. We got 25 everybody on this. It says an
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assault rifle. We got We have a magazine down inside. Go watch out for the assault rifle. All right, so
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the guy is still in theater nine. I'm working on the backboard right now for that female. Okay, suspect is going to
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be a male, unknown race, black camo outfit. Believed to be wearing a vest, gas mask, and multiple long guns.
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This evening we are discussing the terrible and tragic event that took place in Colorado, July 20th, 2012,
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and absolutely one of the most senseless acts that I have ever heard of. This, of
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course, being the Aurora theater mass shooting that was committed by James Holmes. Now, James Holmes was born
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December 13th, 1987 in San Diego County, California. His parents are Robert and Arlene Holmes. Yeah, and Robert was a
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mathematician, scientist. He had multiple degrees, Stanford, UCLA, UC Berkeley. And his mom was a
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registered nurse. Big shout out to the nurses. He also has a younger sister named
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Chris. And then it's around these middle school years of his early life that we start to see some
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some possible issues with James Holmes. Yeah, these are claims that are being made and again, I don't know if some of
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this information was stuff that actually happened or was it claims after the mass
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shooting. Mhm. So, they talk a lot about how he started suffering some mental health issues
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around middle school. He talks about the nail ghost. Mhm. So, he he basically would say that he would see these like
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ghosts or shadow shadowy figures that were hitting or hammering on the wall. And at times they appeared to be
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fighting one another from from what I had read. Yeah, yeah. He talks about shadows, kind
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of seeing shadow figures, and also seeing kind of like flickers out of the side of his eyes.
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And he has told he has told us that it This is 11, around the Well, he didn't tell us, but he's he I think he his
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lawyer claims that he uh made a suicide attempt at the age of 11. I haven't seen anywhere on record
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that his parents talk about this, but they don't do a lot of interviews. So, maybe later on like when you see like uh
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with the Columbine case, the mom took a long time before she actually wrote a book about it. So, maybe that will come
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out later with one of his parents writing in a book and maybe we'll have some more insight to his childhood and
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and what went wrong uh to have this happen. And after the events on uh July 20th,
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2012, you know, they've gone back and they've they've interviewed people that may have known James Holmes that may
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have gone to school with him at an early age uh elementary school, middle school
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age. And there the um you know, their reports uh are a bit scattered in my opinion. You know, there are some people
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that basically say, well, he was somebody that was unnoticeable. He was somebody that was kind of forgettable.
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Mhm. Uh he was kind of quiet. I didn't know who he was. Uh there are other people there is some debate whether he
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was either bullied or may have been somewhat of a bully himself, but it seems like
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the majority of the claims are that he was kind of a forgettable forgettable personality. That he wasn't didn't stand
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out in the crowd. Yeah, he was definitely a smart kid. Um it once he gets into high school, he he plays
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soccer, he runs cross country. Again, playing soccer in high school. How good was he? Did he start? Did he sit the
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bench? I mean, who knows how much uh effect this really has on his life. He seems very into uh
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his academics. Mhm. Um which Extremely extremely into the academics. Which will lead him to the college um
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University of California. And which he'll get um his bachelor's in neuroscience. He graduates in the top 1%
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of his class. Mhm. Uh and then he goes on to the University of Colorado, which he is going to get his PhD. Yeah, yeah,
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he's seeking a PhD from the University of Colorado. He enrolls in that program uh in 2011. Yeah, and before he actually
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goes to college, uh I believe this is the case. You can I've only seen clips on YouTube. I think there's the full
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presentation. Uh he basically does like this internship uh kind of a science summer
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camp type thing and they filmed all the pre- presentations. And so, you can see before going into college, I mean, he's
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very well-spoken, better you know, better spoken than we are. Uh and very intelligent
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That's a large group. Very intelligent for you know, somebody that just graduated
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high school. Yeah. Um and and he's he's also talking about some fascinating stuff. Uh you know,
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basically he had a program uh a computer program. Learn how to do all the code with flash and everything, but
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basically you know, because of this science that we know that he could create this code
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that would create these games that would create an illusion in your brain. Mhm. Which is pretty fascinating for somebody
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that's not even in college. But like we said, so now he's at the University of Colorado.
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And he lives in a one-bedroom apartment with uh It's basically a complex, but the clock
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complex is for health studies normally. You know, so he's studying neuroscience.
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So, he's around other people that PhDs, what are what are they studying? I'm not really for sure.
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It's for students, but but you're saying probably a more specific type of student. Yeah, cuz a lot of times what
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they do it you know, with PhD students is they're going to put you in housing so you're not around a bunch of
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freshman. You know, they try to you know, with the campus housing they like to try to keep the ages similar. You
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know, the the areas of study similar. It just kind of helps uh you know, the social environment.
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And because he had already graduated UC Riverside, obviously he's older than than the you know, the general students.
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We're the thing is too, he is I mean, I don't know to say that he's a good student is
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is conveying enough of what he actually was. I mean, there are college professors that that have said he's
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extremely well-researched. Like he he he loves to research. And he has a great ability to
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um be able to present the research to a crowd and to anybody that is willing to listen.
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Yeah, I mean, in his presentation and like I said, that's pre-college. That's pre-bachelor's degree. Um well-spoken
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and he seemed not to be super nervous, but you could tell there was probably some uh
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social, you know, ineptness to him, which is you know, I I don't know what to make of that. I
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mean, again, it's a a presentation right out of high school. How much confidence
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do you have going into college? I'm not really for sure. Well, and we kind of got to dive into his college life a
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little bit because this is all things leading up obviously to the the major event there, but uh
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you know, when you talk about things like schizophrenia, you know, there are a lot of people that
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Schizophrenia? Yeah. There's a lot of people that will they'll say that that will start to uh
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accelerate in in the late teens, early 20s. Yeah, late 20s, early 20s. Um No, early late teens, early 20s.
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Thank you. That's what I meant. But and the other thing that we're seeing now is
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that he is out he's out on his own. He's in a different city. He's he's all out on his own and he's out with people that
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he may not know. So, there's a bit of isolation that has come with this new portion of his life.
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Mhm. Now, and the studies here are going to be harder. I mean, before he's just a
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undergraduate, now it's time for his graduate degree. Uh there's some weird stuff with his uh
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digital footprint. You know, one that would leave. You know, he has a university email, he has a MySpace
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account. That was that's before Facebook. Yeah. Um match.com. He's the they found some
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Well, let me lead up to that real quick, okay? So, at his college life, once he's
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at Colorado, he he's going to class, he's participating and he seems to be doing well academically for the most
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part, but he is pretty much a bit of a loner once he gets there. We said that this may have
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this transition in his life may have created some form of isolation for him. Yeah, he probably was always somewhat
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isolated. He's not making a lot of friends. He goes out here and there and it there's
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at least one bar that he was known to have gone to several times, maybe even frequently, but he doesn't really buddy
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up with anyone there at school or at the bar as well. Uh on occasion, it is rumored that he would go to a brothel.
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Uh this is something that seemed to be something that he may have done at least a number of times. Mhm. Uh and it was
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later reported that this is activity that would cost him $240 cash and that he would typically keep this amount of
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money on him most of the time, particularly in $20 bills. He did try as you were saying with his digital
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footprint, he did try a couple of times to maybe reach out, let's call it that. Um
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in April of 2012, he is on match.com. Uh eventually, you know, his profile would end up with the
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headline, "Will you visit me in prison?" And his picture shows him uh now with the
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uh infamous dyed orange hair that that we associate with James Holmes. Yeah. Uh what else uh
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you know, what else do you do when you're having trouble socially or maybe you need to find a friend? Well, of
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course, you can go to adultfriendfinder.com. Mhm. Uh so, James is friend finding on
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this site going by the name of classic Jimbo. And his profile on there reads that Creative. Yeah, he's 6-ft tall,
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he's has an athletic build and he's single. He's looking for a woman or couples, a
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man and a woman, groups or couples, two women uh for erotic chat or email, discreet relationship, one-on-one sex or
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group sex. And a the adultfriendfinder.com clarifies group sex is three or more people. So, thank
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you to them because I don't know that anybody describes sex between two people as group sex. Mhm. Uh under under
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traits, habits, and personal preferences like smoking, he answers things like he
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prefers not to say. Drinking, he says he's a light to social drinker. If you've listened to this show long
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enough, you know that I would be listed as a heavy garage drinker. Uh not sure that that's even like an
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option on the site. a lot of garages. Yeah, and then for drugs, uh if he's a drug user, again, he
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prefers not to say. Uh for male endowment, well, he says he's short to average. He might he maybe
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recommendation he probably should have lied there. is this show going? And he also says
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that he's a circumcised speaker of English. All right. So, I don't know I don't know what other
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things you can list on that site, but maybe hobbies or or whatnot, but this is a general idea of his profile and you
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can find uh pictures of that profile online. Yeah, there's also pictures of like the match.com stuff where it's uh
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not as weird and maybe you don't want to put that on a podcast. Um like the adultfriendfinder stuff.
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I'm sorry, but if if if you if they post a profile somebody online, I come across it, I have to read it.
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It's fascinating. Yeah, I mean, he also claims match.com that he's 5'11. So, maybe he's trying to
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be more honest there. He says he's not a smoker, but he's a drinker on match.com.
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Mhm. Um so, another weird thing too is that they found I mean, you might not you know,
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people might be listening going, "Well, I don't know if I buy the prostitution thing."
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They found several times where he left reviews, if they had like an online forum. Yeah.
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Uh James Holmes would go and uh James Holmes would go, leave reviews for these prostitutes. I I found a couple of
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what I consider um very reliable sources that that they were pretty adamant that that he was
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doing the brothel thing or the prostitute thing. Well, he wasn't a complete loner
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psychopath. Uh he was dating somebody in in October of uh 2011. 2011. Gargi Datta is what we'll say, cuz
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that's that's that's what I It's I've looked at this on paper. Unless you wrote it down completely
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wrong, who knows what that that name is. Right. So, it He dated her for about 2 months, right? Yeah, about 2 months,
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then it ended. I guess there was this something on uh St. Patrick's Day where there's an altercation
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uh with they're out having a date. She is talked to by another male. Then he uh James has altercation with
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this guy. Not fistfight or anything, but he has a conversation, and after that, he kind of became more distant. Yeah,
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and I and I I kind of misspoke there. I said 2 months, but it but from what I've
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read, it sounded like there was a bit of an on-and-off type of relationship because they started this relationship
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in late 2011, and at some point it would continue in the early part of 2012. Yeah, yeah. So, basically
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ends up with the the experience of the St. Patrick's Day situation where some guy says something to Gargi, or whatever
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her name is, excuse me. Um but uh and and this becomes a big He He gets pretty weird about this situation. And this
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causes her to to not really want to be involved with with James that much. Yeah, and she would talk about how he
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just would have some weird jokes. You know, he'd say some things that just maybe just didn't You know, a social
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awkwardness to him, which would make people feel uncomfortable. And we all have friends like that. Um
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but he every now and then would make kind of jokes to you know, kind of expressing his desire to kill somebody.
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And that's where it was kind of like, "Well, this is a little strange." And she men- mentioned to him multiple times
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cuz you know, as we talk about him being such a good student, well, that was not the case, you know, once he
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gets to school. So, he was a good student, he graduated top 1% in his class, but now he's he's having some
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difficulties. Mhm. And anybody that has been to college before or have been has been to a college that wasn't a good
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fit, there's some stuff happening mentally. You're now in a school where you seem to
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know nobody. So, the loneliness factor creeps in. And then you have to deal with, you know,
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tough classes. And if your motivation, you know, let's say you are a musician, for example, but you're going to study
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English. Well, the passion might not be there because the mo- motivation, and your motivation can constantly change.
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So, he was having some issues with, you know, school life, this new school life.
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But, you know, he had this girlfriend and and and she expressed to him, "Well, with your issues with school and with
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your you know, some of this social awkwardness, maybe you should see uh professional help." Now, again, this
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is all reported after the shooting, so is that what actually took place, or is this just what you're telling people
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after the shooting? And some of the things that she talks about that he was saying or that he
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would say in group settings or to her, uh I'm just going to go ahead and cla- I'm going to title these as um I'm going
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to call these homicidal jokes. They almost sound like um off-color, you know, bad taste uh homicidal type
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sounding jokes. Um and I think what you're seeing here is maybe there maybe we have somebody
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that has an issue connecting with with others. And maybe the only way that he knows how to bridge that gap is with
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some kind of shock factor, you know, with by getting attention with some kind of shocking statement. Um but you're
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right, she does say, "You know, at the time, I didn't really take some of these things that he said seriously. However,
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I did recommend to him maybe you should you should consider talking to somebody,
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a professional." Well, and if you get a chance, if you really dive into this case and you want to look at the
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presentation he gave. Now, I understand it's a presentation, but they ask him like, you know, what you know, what are
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some goals in your life be- as they introduced him to make his a speech. And one of the things he says is one of his
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lifelong goals is to own a Slurpee machine. Now, again, this is 4 years prior. It's kind of a funny joke, you know,
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kind of a odd thing to bring up. Uh and it gets a bunch of laughs from the audience. And and then he's he smiles.
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He seems like a normal person. Again, what has happened to him What What is happening to him mentally, we don't we
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won't know. Nobody can know that. It's just inside his brain. And then how much of the stress from the
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school and these social awkward moments is playing into the decisions that he's going to make. In the spring of 2012, he
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does start to receive some He starts taking therapy sessions. And this is with a psychiatrist by the name of Lynn
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Fenton. Um now, here's some here's some other things, okay? So, we have July 7th. All right,
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this is just a month and a half before the event. James Holmes, he fails an oral
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exam, several oral exams, and this is very unlike James. Just like we had said earlier, he had been considered by
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teachers and other students to be a good re- researcher and a good presenter of research.
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Mhm. And his work was very thorough. Um this presents some areas of discussion uh in in much later
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discussion. And June 10th On June 10th, James Holmes, he file files paperwork to
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withdraw from the neuroscience program and does not say why he wishes to do so. Yeah. The following day, he meets with
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his psychiatrist. Again, this is uh Dr. Fenton. And um he is breaking off the relationship with
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her. And she goes on to tell campus police officers that Holmes has made several
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homicidal statements, and he had sent her threatening text messages. The campus police ask Fenton if they should
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put Holmes on a on a 72-hour psychiatric hold. This is obviously for his personal
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safety and for the safety of others as well. Uh Dr. Fenton says that this will not be
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necessary. So, again, we are seeing I think in this process, too, they they revoke his student ID,
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which I think goes to a lot of like food courts and so, and probably ac- access to different
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uh parts of the school are taken away by by revoking or shutting off his student ID.
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Mhm. And because of his area of study, he actually had access to buildings and rooms that that students of the general
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population would not have access to. Um again, Fenton decides against the 72-hour hold. This is This psychiatric
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hold's a pretty common thing. I didn't realize this, but in the state of Colorado, they estimate that about 2,000
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They do about 2,000 of or more of these holds a year. Um so, a little more common than I had thought. Uh but again,
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we are seeing some signs of something possibly something going on here, some kind of maybe a possi- possible mental
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break of sorts, but we're also seeing some signs of premeditation to the the massacre or a violent event that that
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we're leading up to here. Uh way back in May, in the early parts of May 2012, uh this
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and it leading up to just days before the attack, James Holmes is stockpiling weapons and ammo.
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Uh in May, he orders two tear gas canisters online, and over the next few weeks, he also buys two handguns, a
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shotgun, an assault rifle, and 6,295 rounds of ammunition and body armor, handcuffs, road stars. These are meant
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to puncture tires. Yeah. A 100-round drum magazine and a laser sight uh several laser sights, I'm sorry, as well
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as additional explosive materials. Uh he buys some of these at gun stores like uh his local Gander Mountain and
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Bass Pro Shop. So, he's buying some of these face-to-face situations in person. they're all legal. Mhm. These are legal
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purchases. Exactly. And then he is purchasing some of these items online from several retailers, but one of them
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being uh bulkammo.com. Now, weeks leading up to the attack, we see James Holmes, he is actually going
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to the movie theater. This is the Aurora Century Theater 16. Mhm. And using his phone, his cell phone, he
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is taking photos of the theater in the layout. Uh this being the hallways and entrances and whatnot. Uh getting kind
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of cataloging the lay of the land, let's say. Uh but one photo in particular is he's he's taking a photo of the door
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latch. Uh this is one of the exit doors. You know how the in a in a movie theater, you have you walk in to the
00:29:16
theater and then you find your seat, but down sometimes down by the screen, they
00:29:20
have doors that will exit out into the parking lot. Right. Well, this he's he has taken
00:29:25
photos of the latch and of this door. These are the events that lead us up to the actual event. And we'll get to that
00:29:32
right after a quick beer break. And we're back from the beer break. We're talking about the Aurora theater
00:29:38
shooter, James Holmes. Yes, and this brings us to the point of the day of the event. Now, what's taking place here is
00:29:46
there's going to be a movie premiere. This is one of those midnight showings when a movie first comes out and
00:29:54
this is the movie of the Dark Knight Rises, which we don't have to be I don't know how much we have to go into this.
00:30:01
Most people should know about this. I The Dark Knight Rises grossed over a billion dollars at the box office
00:30:07
worldwide. All right. Yeah, and it was the third movie in the Batman trilogy. Yeah, and so this is the character
00:30:15
played by Christian Bale, the Batman character. This had Tom Hardy in it. A lot of people felt like this was the
00:30:21
best I'm going to doing a little Batman movie talk real quick. Okay. Um, a lot of people thought this
00:30:27
was the best film of 2012. It's the 16th highest grossing movie of all time. Actually, that's what it said
00:30:34
on Wikipedia. It's actually 17th right now. Okay. So it dropped a spot. It was the third
00:30:40
highest grossing movie of 2012, the fourth highest grossing superhero movie of all time. Now, just a little
00:30:49
trivia, I'm just going to throw this at you. What are the top three grossing movies of all time? Top three grossing
00:30:55
movies of all time not Not superheroes. Just movies. Titanic. Titanic is number two. Okay. Number one
00:31:04
is Avatar and number three is Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Oh. Uh, anyways, these are were my favorite Batman movies
00:31:13
out of all of them. I liked uh, Michael Keaton. Um, but Christian Bale's character, I just
00:31:19
thought uh, and the third one. I didn't see this in theaters, but when I saw this, I remember
00:31:27
that the movie was over and I thought there was no way I'm going to like a Batman movie more than the one with
00:31:32
Heath Ledger. Right. There's no way. This one, I might actually like it better. I mean,
00:31:39
just it has a couple twists and turns. Anyways, that is the movie that is premiering.
00:31:45
It's the midnight showing. It's going to be happening at July 20th. Mhm. And and this is a big deal. I mean,
00:31:52
this is sold out. And and if anybody's been to a sold out showing before, I mean, normally when you go to the movie
00:31:59
theater, it's what? 1/4 full or maybe even half full at the most. But this is a big event where people are now going
00:32:06
to you know, kind of fight to figure out which where they're going to sit. Yeah,
00:32:12
and there were actually 420 people watching the midnight showing of the Batman movie, The Dark Knight Rises.
00:32:18
Yeah, not not in this theater. There was actually multiple theaters that were showing the Dark Knight Rises.
00:32:24
But it was a big event for theaters all over the United States for that night. Uh, I believe it actually opened up the
00:32:31
night before in New York uh, and then it opened up maybe four days before in New York,
00:32:37
yeah. And then then it opened up uh, nationwide and worldwide that day as well. So John Holmes, he has already
00:32:45
previously purchased a ticket and he purchased this ticket Holmes. Oh, sorry. James Holmes. Sorry.
00:32:51
Different bad guy. Yeah. Uh, so James Holmes, he purchased his ticket uh, well in advance, days in
00:32:56
advance actually. And he shows up to see this midnight premiere of the Batman movie.
00:33:02
And shortly into the movie, this is all a plan that he has put together well in advance and he's geared himself up for
00:33:10
this attack uh, to these these innocent people that have no idea what they're about to witness.
00:33:18
I don't think it was I don't think it was James's plan to um, actually watch the movie.
00:33:24
No, not at all. was just I'm going to this event. Um, yeah, so he basically stands up or they
00:33:31
see a lot of eyewitness accounts is that somebody stands up is on their phone almost like they're going to take a
00:33:36
phone call. And they go to this emergency exit. They kind of prop the door open.
00:33:42
Which is odd because normally one of the eyewitnesses said if somebody was going to take a phone
00:33:47
call, you would assume that they'd go out to the lobby. Mhm. And you normally you don't normally see anybody mess with
00:33:53
the exit doors. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, this is interesting because he stands up and
00:33:59
then he goes out These are the doors that we were talking about earlier. He goes out the door that's up by the
00:34:05
screen. Now, he's previously parked his vehicle. He's got a white Hyundai hatchback that he parked
00:34:12
Is it a Hyundai or is it a Kia? I think you hear in the um, in the police call that they're talking about a Kia. I
00:34:20
don't know that they're talking about They may be talking about a victim there or maybe they have just misspoke and
00:34:25
thought that it was a Kia. But um, it's a Hyundai white hatchback. And he goes out to his vehicle to retrieve his
00:34:33
weapons and his body armor as well as a gas mask and two canisters of tear gas. Yeah. And he said
00:34:41
that he in his court in his later court dates and trial, uh, he said that he kind of lingered outside longer than he
00:34:50
anticipated. And one thing that I found interesting here was that the I don't know if it was the psychiatrist or the
00:34:57
the the judge that was asking him these questions. It wasn't clear from what I was watching, but they asked him why he
00:35:03
was standing out there. And um, they wanted some kind of answer like, were you trying to talk yourself out of this
00:35:10
situation? Were you trying to talk yourself down? He said, "No. No, I wasn't doing that." And they said and he
00:35:16
said, "You know, well, were you hoping that maybe somebody would come along and and see you and stop you from doing this
00:35:23
and prevent you?" And again, he says, "No." He said basically what had happened what was he dropped one of the
00:35:29
canisters and he went to retrieve it and then he kind of just stopped himself for maybe a minute
00:35:36
or two before going back into the same door that he exited earlier. And this is where he
00:35:44
he throws the the the two canisters of tear gas. Right. And this is he's going to do this for some form of crowd
00:35:51
control, I guess, to to disorient disorient the people in the in the seats. Now, some of the eyewitnesses
00:35:59
would later say that they thought maybe this was part of part of the theatrics of the show. You know, one eyewitness
00:36:06
actually thought that the person was throwing like fake bats into the air. Um, Yeah, another person I mean,
00:36:14
let's just paint the scene of of James Holmes. He's wearing all black. He's wearing this um,
00:36:22
it's not a bulletproof vest, but he's wearing bullet resistant pants. Mhm. He's wearing some kind of um,
00:36:30
I don't even know what it's called, but that he has this vest. It's not a boot bulletproof vest, but it this thing
00:36:36
makes him look a lot bigger and tougher. Mhm. Um, he's wearing all black and he has the gas mask. One of the
00:36:42
eyewitnesses said, "You know, I thought the person was dressed as Batman, like as a part of the thing. You know, as
00:36:50
part of the whole, you know, it's midnight showing." Yeah, he's wearing a he's wearing black clothing, a gas mask,
00:36:57
a ballistic helmet, uh, urban assault vest, uh, black bulky jacket. He also has shin guards, a throat guard, a groin
00:37:06
protector, and a dark bulletproof those dark bulletproof leggings that you had talked about.
00:37:11
Yeah. Uh, so bullet resistant. Yeah, so he goes in and he throws the tear gas and now he's disoriented the
00:37:19
crowd and he basically opens up fire on on many people that have no clue what's going on. And he has this assault rifle.
00:37:29
We talked about the assault rifle that he had purchased. He has an AR-15, okay? And he had purchased that the drum
00:37:37
magazine that would allow him to have 100 rounds that he could fire. He basically fired that thing. He shot 30
00:37:45
rounds in 27 seconds. So just think about that for a second. How how fast and how rapid that is.
00:37:53
And in less than two minutes, he shot bullet fragments into 238 theater seats. This ends up killing 12
00:38:03
people. And 70 people are wounded and 15 of them are permanently wounded. Mhm. Now, 10 of the the victims would
00:38:11
die at the scene. And two of the victims would die on the way to the hospital or
00:38:17
at the hospital. Now, of the 70 people that were wounded, 58 of them were wounded in the actual attack. And 12
00:38:26
people are wounded and suffered injuries as they were fleeing the building. Yeah.
00:38:31
Yeah. I mean, this is, you know, common thing you'll see. I mean, cuz you never know how you're going to react
00:38:37
to something until it's actually going on. And so I think a lot of people didn't,
00:38:42
you know, they were scared. Um, uh, people obviously were running for their lives. There's complete chaos and and in
00:38:49
in that mayhem, uh, 12 people were injured. And around I I believe it was at 12:38
00:38:56
a.m. They they start to receive 911 calls about what's going on. And of course, not a lot of the people calling
00:39:04
calling in really know exactly what's going on. You know, they're in a state heightened state of panic.
00:39:10
Mhm. People are fleeing the building, so they're kind of just reporting what little bit they believe to be going on.
00:39:16
So you're getting a lot of different calls coming in right now reporting different things. Some people report
00:39:21
that they had seen multiple shooters. Some people report that they had only seen one shooter. Uh, we have different
00:39:27
eyewitness accounts because a lot of things are happening very very quickly. Yeah, so then the the the cops show up
00:39:35
and quickly they realize I I believe it's theater nine. Yes, he and he parked his vehicle right outside of uh, theater
00:39:44
nine in the parking lot so that he could access that door in his vehicle very quickly.
00:39:48
Yeah, we we can assume he's he wants to access that access that as a getaway vehicle. The cops show up and you'll
00:39:56
hear, you know, you'll hear in the 911 tapes they're saying, "Hey, we need gas mask.
00:40:01
We need gas mask. There's you know, these smoke bombs or whatever you want to call them um in theater
00:40:08
nine. We need to get in there. Um eventually, you know, as through the 911 tapes you hear this chaos. You hear them
00:40:16
asking for ambulances. One of the things that people bring up a a lot of times with this case is that these ambulances
00:40:23
weren't showing up fast enough. And we have all these people wounded. And the cops started
00:40:30
not waiting for the ambulance. They just started taking the the victims out and taking them to the nearest hospital.
00:40:37
Which actually goes against police protocol for that area anyway. They're they are instructed to not transport
00:40:46
victims or wounded people to the hospital in their patrol cars. Now, I commend these officers for breaking
00:40:52
protocol and deciding that they're you know, one life lost is too many obviously, but they're witnessing
00:40:58
something that nobody should have to be a part of or witness and they made a concerted effort that and decided that
00:41:06
nobody else should have to die tonight and we're going to break protocol and we're going to help as many people and
00:41:11
save as many lives as we can. And as they get there and there's chaos all around them they they quickly figure
00:41:19
out that we have a suspect now. Well, what happens is there's it's a it's patrolman Jason Oviatt. He shows up and
00:41:27
he sees a a black figure standing next to this white hatchback. And the figure appears
00:41:35
to be wearing SWAT gear or police riot gear. So, at first he assumes that this person is
00:41:44
is a police officer. Is somebody that's there to help, but quickly what he realizes is that the the person is not
00:41:51
moving. He doesn't seem to be reacting to what's going on. So, that triggers something within him and he wonders,
00:41:57
well, who is this person? So, he gets out of his vehicle and he tells the person to put put your hands on the roof
00:42:06
of the vehicle. And the the person doesn't really resist. He after being asked after being
00:42:13
asked twice, James puts his hands on the roof of the vehicle. Next to him, very close to him on the roof of the vehicle
00:42:20
is a semi-automatic Glock. Um and then James Holmes is ordered to the ground. This is when the officer Oviatt, he
00:42:30
comes up and he drags James Holmes about 10 ft away from the vehicle because he wants to get him away from that firearm.
00:42:38
And he drags him over to a dumpster and he cuffs him. Now, he starts to frisk him to see if he can find any additional
00:42:45
weapons. When you see a person when this thing is going on and you see a person outfitted in this kind of SWAT gear or
00:42:52
riot gear that he's wearing, you you have to assume that he's heavily armed. And he's trying to find other
00:42:59
weapons on on the assailant on the suspect. And because he's wearing so much gear, you
00:43:07
can't really feel anything in there. You can't feel for additional weapons. So, a
00:43:12
second officer shows up and they decide to using a knife, they begin to cut some
00:43:18
of the gear off of James Holmes. Um in doing so, they find a couple knives. They find an iPod Touch. They
00:43:27
basically strip him down to his white t-shirt, socks, and underwear so they can find anything that they
00:43:34
that might be on his person. And and and and in this moment they're already searching his vehicle, his hatchback.
00:43:42
Well, the the crazy thing here, Captain, is they've got him stripped down to a white t-shirt uh boxers and and
00:43:50
socks, yet his gas mask is still on. So, then they remove this gas mask. Okay, and the first thing that they see
00:43:58
when they take off the mask is they're shocked by the bright orange hair. And the James Holmes has got these huge
00:44:06
pupils. And they take off the mask and the first thing that James says is he says, "I'm
00:44:11
the Joker." Uh they also find 28 they find $280 cash in his wallet. He also has his ID, his
00:44:20
University of Colorado school ID on him, credit card, health insurance card, things of this nature. Um and the
00:44:26
officers ask him if if he had any more guns other than the Glock that they saw on top of his
00:44:33
vehicle. He answers, "Yes, I have four of them." Uh they they then ask him if he has any
00:44:39
explosives. Again, he says, "Yes." They ask where they are and he states that they are in my apartment.
00:44:47
Asking if they are ready to go off, James says, "Yes, if you trip the wires." The officers want to know what type of
00:44:54
explosives they are and James explains that they are IEDs, which are improvised explosive devices. So, now we have this
00:45:02
gunman um apprehended and they're going to take him back to the station for questioning.
00:45:09
And we spoke but we still have chaos going on and one of the nurses said, "Look, this became um you know, a mass
00:45:16
shooting, a massacre basically, but it also then became a miracle because we have all these
00:45:23
victims that are hurt that could die and then this is when the nurses and doctors
00:45:28
they go into um you know, survival mode basically and they and and if it wasn't for them and
00:45:35
if it wasn't for the fast-acting police officers, there'd be more than 12 people
00:45:39
dead. Another miracle that that took place that evening was remember we said in that AR-15 he had the 100 drum magazine.
00:45:49
Okay, he could have fired 100 rounds. He actually only shot about 30 of those rounds because the gun ended up jamming
00:45:56
on him. Um and they say that that can be typical with with a magazine that holds
00:46:01
that many rounds that it would be typical that it would jam. The many lives were were saved by by
00:46:08
this gun being jammed that And many lives were saved for the fact that he didn't didn't really know what he was
00:46:14
doing. You know what I mean? You take a trained expert with the amount of equipment that he had and it would have
00:46:22
been the numbers would have been staggering. Yeah, because I mean, when you just think of the layout of any
00:46:27
movie theater and where he positioned himself up by the movie screen and then throwing out the tear gas, the the the
00:46:35
people are I mean, they're they're sitting ducks. They're at a terrible disadvantage to to this gunman. Yeah,
00:46:42
and your two exits are one around the the shooter or normally you have to go down towards the shooter anyways and
00:46:50
then cut back through the lobby, you know? They need to come up with another exit, you know, like at the top of the
00:46:57
stairs or something. So, during the interrogation in the early parts of it, they the the police
00:47:04
have Now, this is pretty typical. They have taped bags to his hands. Uh because they want to preserve any gunpowder
00:47:12
residue that would be on his fingers and his hands. And during the questioning process, he is using these bags as like
00:47:20
like puppets. He's waving them around like they're some kind of puppets and at one point he finds a staple in the in
00:47:29
the table and he removes it from the table and he tries to jam it into an electric outlet that's in the room and
00:47:37
of course the officers stop him from doing so. Um but this is this amongst other types of wild things that he's
00:47:45
doing best describes his behavior during the early parts of this questioning. Yeah, but the first question he asked
00:47:52
officers is were there any children hurt? I mean, look, a lot of this stuff as far
00:47:58
as like him playing, you know, all you put bags on my hands, I'm going to act all crazy and I'm playing puppeteer, you
00:48:04
know. Um and you know, I'm going to shove this he knows damn well that you take put a
00:48:11
staple into a socket, it's not going to do much. I'm not suggesting that anybody
00:48:15
does it cuz there's a chance that it could be not good, but some of this stuff is just you know, immaturity, you
00:48:21
know, and he's just and acting crazy, you know? That I mean, that's what I get from it. You know, you want to sit there
00:48:28
and act crazy and then your first question is, "Is there any kids that were hurt?"
00:48:32
You know, they also talk about when they you know, apprehended him and put him in
00:48:36
the police vehicle that they said, "Well, he was constantly like looking back to see what the chaos was."
00:48:43
I don't I don't know how much I buy that. I think he for whatever reason he did this stuff
00:48:49
and now he's you know, he's obviously remorseful right away. And to me that shows a sign of not
00:48:57
of sanity and not insanity. Absolutely. And through talking with him, the first thing they want to know
00:49:04
about is they want to know about these explosives that he said are in his apartment.
00:49:09
Mhm. So, he's going to give them a little bit of information, but we do have to mention that the police would go
00:49:15
ahead and break protocol one more time. Now, what happens here is James Holmes does require he requests an attorney.
00:49:24
And they do not actually deny him an attorney. They they you know, he he has an attorney, but the problem is the
00:49:33
attorney is trying to get to James Holmes to to be involved in this questioning.
00:49:39
He's read his Miranda right rights, but the police have figured out we've got to
00:49:43
we've got to know what's going on in that apartment and we need specifics. We need
00:49:49
intel basically so we can figure out how to disarm these booby traps, let's say.
00:49:56
Now, when the police first discover what's going on in the apartment, they are very concerned because he's
00:50:02
outfitted this apartment with enough explosive devices that it could take down the whole building. Well, and and
00:50:10
look, let's face it. I mean, they're they're at at this moment they before they start questioning him, they know
00:50:16
that there's these explosives. But now they're asking him, "What what what's your name? Who are you?" James Holmes.
00:50:22
And right when they say that, now they're going to their database system, right? And that and they're going to try
00:50:27
to figure out who the hell this kid is. There's no record of this kid. I mean, this kid doesn't have a troubled past.
00:50:35
Yeah. So, they really have no clue who the hell they're dealing with. he had one speeding ticket at some point
00:50:41
in his life. So, this wasn't a guy that was that was breaking laws and constantly
00:50:46
violent. This wasn't anybody that was on anybody's radar. Um Well, he was on somebody's radar. He
00:50:52
was on a psychiatrist radar at the school and provoked but that's going to take, you know, days and weeks to figure
00:50:59
out. This is something that the cops are not going to be able to figure out within the first couple minutes of
00:51:04
questioning him. Well, one thing that they do figure out is that the way that he rigged his apartment to blow the
00:51:09
whole building. I mean, you think about how many more victims there could have been if this whole
00:51:14
apartment would have blown up. This whole building Well, and like I said, remember he he's
00:51:18
supposedly lives in this one-bedroom apartment, but it's a complex that's a bunch of one-bedroom apartments,
00:51:25
possibly two-bedroom apartments with a bunch of students in it. So, one thing that he did was he set up
00:51:30
this boom box, one of those old-school boom boxes. And he set it so that it would be
00:51:36
silent for approximately 40 minutes. And then at some point, this would be around
00:51:41
1:00 a.m., it would start blaring very loud music. Mhm. His intentions were that uh an
00:51:49
angry neighb- neighbor would come up and would check his door. Well, what he did
00:51:54
was he rigged it with a trip wire and he left the door slightly ajar so that all
00:51:59
somebody would have to do is is move that door and this would blow up his apartment and essentially the whole
00:52:05
building and everybody in it. Mhm. What happens is a neighbor Wait, wait, before we get to that.
00:52:12
This is what he's telling the cops. Mhm. But they're not for sure if it's just that building.
00:52:17
You know, what what else is that building connected to? Is he just telling us it's one building? Could it
00:52:22
be possible multiple buildings? They don't know. They're They got to go you know, this psychopath just tried to
00:52:31
murder hundreds of people in a movie theater. And now we have to on some level trust
00:52:38
what he's saying and take this very serious. One angry neighbor actually approached
00:52:43
the door because of the loud music and she stopped herself from touching the door because she noticed that it was
00:52:51
slightly open and she thought this was extremely suspicious. Yeah. And so she backed out at the last second and
00:52:58
decided to just call in the noise complaint to the police. Well, and you'd think that the police or campus security
00:53:06
or whoever would show up and see the door ajar and touch the Yeah. Yeah. And thank
00:53:12
thank God they got to James Holmes before any of these things could take place. Another thing he did with that
00:53:17
apartment and the things he had rigged up was he actually set a remote control device outside of the apartment
00:53:24
building. And he set this down on the street thinking that if somebody didn't touch the door, that somebody would be
00:53:30
likely to walk along and see this remote control and pick it up and hit a button.
00:53:34
Mhm. And it would have the same effect. And and what you were talking about like
00:53:39
we said you know, when they ask him, you take off the gas mask, "Who are you?" The
00:53:43
Joker. And you were kind of talking to me earlier about you know, did he set this up, you know,
00:53:49
with the idea of being like the Joker? Yeah. You know, like where I'm not going to blow it up but somebody else's
00:53:55
actions is going to call it cause it to blow up. Whether that's somebody pushing
00:53:59
the door or finding the remote and hitting the button that themselves. Well, in the general thought, I mean,
00:54:04
everybody's got their own thoughts of the Joker, but but the Joker's basically the the agent of chaos, right? He's he's
00:54:11
the person that's setting things up so that everything just gets chaotic and and nobody knows how to react and nobody
00:54:19
knows the reason why because there's there is no reason for any of these actions. Yeah, I know reasons. It's just
00:54:25
to cause complete chaos and to cause mayhem and death. And and the other fact is that, you know, the Joker sometimes
00:54:33
would set things up or rig things so that some people were other than himself were in control of some of that chaos or
00:54:40
mayhem and this being the door that he rigged with the trip wire or the remote control that he left outside of the
00:54:47
apartment for somebody to push the buttons. Yeah, and take them about what, 2 days?
00:54:52
Yeah, and the the the part of that was they they were concerned, obviously, and they had evacuated the building very
00:55:01
quickly, but they were concerned about a couple of things. They were worried that the apartment was
00:55:07
rigged in such a fashion that not only would it blow up the building, but it could potentially blow up some of these
00:55:13
surrounding buildings. So, their first thought was rather than go in and dismantle these booby traps, we should
00:55:21
just blow we should just blow up the building. And that was that was one thing that
00:55:25
they had considered and they kind of played with this idea for a little bit of time until they could come up with a
00:55:30
good strategy. Part of the strategy was getting intel from James Holmes. Now, where I said that they broke protocol
00:55:38
was that they kind of they weren't completely honest about where James Holmes was being held so it
00:55:44
delayed the attorney getting to him because their thought was that once the attorney arrived, that James Holmes
00:55:51
would shut down and he wouldn't he wouldn't communicate any of this much-needed information to them.
00:55:57
Yeah, yeah. And you know, cuz the attorney will say, "Hey, we're not talking." Right? But but you're putting people's
00:56:05
lives at risk. Again, it's questionable. I mean, cuz there's the justice system and and I believe in justice and I
00:56:11
believe in law and order, but at the same time I believe in saving lives more than that. Yeah, you know. It's you
00:56:20
broke protocol, but I think um the reasons were justified. Yeah, this this kind of action reminds me of
00:56:27
something like like a Die Hard movie or maybe uh uh Lethal Weapon where you have
00:56:32
the the cops that don't always go along with everything that they're supposed to
00:56:36
do, but at the end they've made the right decision because in the end their job is to protect and serve the people
00:56:42
of their community and sometimes you know, you might have to bend a little bit to to serve and protect your
00:56:50
community. Yeah, so basically you have to break the law to protect the law or or something something like that. But
00:56:57
so we we basically know that he, you know, we now know the actions, we know the ramifications of the shooting. We know
00:57:06
that he had these bombs set up. Takes them a couple days, but they disarm it. Nobody's hurt in the process.
00:57:12
And and what was weird about this case though is it takes 2 years, 2 and 1/2 years for this trial
00:57:19
to start. Yeah. Which is is a little strange. Yeah, it takes I believe it's a in
00:57:26
mid-October before they finalize the charges that they want to to push against James Holmes.
00:57:35
Um so, that we're already seeing a few months lapse there. But but then the jury selection process was crazy as
00:57:42
well. I mean, they they sent summonses out to like 9,000 people and they were going to select 12 jurors plus some
00:57:49
alternates from from that pool of people. Um Well, this was headline news too. So, it's it's also
00:57:57
harder to find Not only is it headline news, so you got to find somebody that's not biased
00:58:03
but just I mean, think about the victim count. I mean, there's 12 people that lost their life
00:58:08
which is very senseless. It's ridiculous. And then there's there's another 70 people that are injured.
00:58:15
And and whether it's a small injury and and that's just the victims physically. But I mean,
00:58:23
even if you're in the theater next door what what effect does that have on you mentally
00:58:30
for all the years to come? You know, when are you able to go back into a movie theater and feel safe? When
00:58:37
are you able to go to any event and feel safe? Possibly never. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of
00:58:45
victims as you're saying that were in that building or witnessed something that night that are not part of any of
00:58:51
these statistics that we read. You know, they go unnamed and unknown and these are
00:58:57
people like you said, they may not be able to go out in the public anymore or maybe they have nightmares for the rest
00:59:01
of their lives or they can't sleep, they have insomnia now. Um Yeah. This this is
00:59:06
on cuz cuz of one lost individual. And whether you think he's sane or or insane or whatever
00:59:14
I mean, I think we can all agree that he's definitely lost and because of that a lot of people were affected. And so, I
00:59:21
think that's probably another reason why it took so long for them to find a jury.
00:59:24
You got to There's a lot more people that are um affected by this. Mhm. so, then that
00:59:31
makes the circle, you know, bigger on how many people know somebody that was affected by this. So you have this event
00:59:38
that took place that's of of worldwide, you know, everybody knows about this thing. Okay, so you have that problem,
00:59:44
you have the jury selection process, you have the number of victims involved. Now
00:59:49
parallel all of that with trying to figure out is this guy insane or is he sane?
00:59:56
All right, and that's part of the reason why this trial would end up taking so long. Now what would happen is not only
01:00:03
did they learn about the booby traps and they would they would figure out a way to dismantle all of them and that all
01:00:10
worked its way out because of good police work. Now what what they ended up finding out
01:00:16
as well is as soon as James Holmes receives an attorney. It's communicated to the attorney that
01:00:25
on that same day that he had mailed a notebook to his former psychiatrist. This is that Lynn Fenton. And we're
01:00:33
going to say loose psychiatrist. I mean he saw her maybe three times. So um one thing that you can say about him is
01:00:42
he actually sought out help and and Lynn was not the first a psychiatrist he saw.
01:00:48
So through the school he through the school whatever's happening mentally with him
01:00:56
and and I think from you know that girlfriend he had you know look if a girlfriend suggests
01:01:02
to you you maybe you should see somebody talk to somebody. There's all this stuff going on with
01:01:09
Holmes and he goes and talks to a psychiatrist. That psychiatrist wow I can't talk.
01:01:17
That five out of five beers really bad Baptist. Wowza. That psychiatrist refers him to Fenton. Is that the name?
01:01:29
Yes. And then she talks to him about three times. Within those three times though
01:01:34
like we said he's probably homicidal they revoke his privileges on campus they revoke his and and there's some
01:01:42
call you can find it online where she's calling leaving a message saying hey yeah this Holmes character yeah I
01:01:49
revoked this privilege and I've revoked this privilege. A lot of people put blame on her like oh she could have
01:01:58
did a 72-hour holding. Look that's maybe and maybe when there's more accounts of
01:02:05
these actions that come up maybe that's something we'll do more often but that's
01:02:09
also invading on people's rights. You know some you know if somebody's having a bad day and they start
01:02:15
screaming at somebody on campus and then you decide hey we're going to put him on
01:02:18
a 72-hour holding period. I mean that there is a lot you know there it shouldn't be so quick trigger you know
01:02:25
on that. But in this case it's all it's easy to blame somebody on hindsight. So.
01:02:33
But regarding the notebook, this ends up becoming a big problem and this is a big
01:02:37
problem for the trial because they have to figure out what to do with this notebook because as soon as the
01:02:43
attorneys mention this notebook this was mailed to the psychiatrist but it was not yet received.
01:02:50
Right. So the attorneys they want to intercept this notebook. They're saying that it's James's
01:02:58
property and because he's going to be eventually charged with a crime that they should be able to confiscate that
01:03:05
and and keep it private to them. The what the what the prosecution and what the law enforcement is going to
01:03:14
argue is that no you you sent it to this person and we should be able to view it
01:03:20
and decide what we what should be done with it. Mhm. James's attorneys are going to suggest
01:03:26
that this is no this is bound by by doctor client privilege that that none of the information inside of the binder
01:03:36
can be Mhm. be talked about. Yeah which I understand that but I mean your doctor's
01:03:41
also calling and revoking your student ID and and wanting you to not be on campus.
01:03:48
You know isn't that some sort of doctor client privilege? Right and therein lies a big question
01:03:54
that they had to answer. When did James Holmes quit being a client of the psychiatrist? I would want to argue that
01:04:03
he was never you know a client cuz he only saw her a few times. Well as far as the as the psychiatrist
01:04:09
is concerned she says that no the moment that he quit that he dropped out of school and he quit attending our
01:04:16
sessions he is no longer my client. Now they are going to say being the defense are going to say that no that
01:04:25
James Holmes was still always a client and why because him mailing that notebook that day is him reaching out to
01:04:33
his doctor. And what took place just minutes before the actual attack? Well there was a phone call to the
01:04:42
University of Colorado switchboard. Now they're going to say James Holmes is saying this was from me. I was calling
01:04:50
because I was going to ask them to to connect me with the doctor with my doctor.
01:04:55
And this could be the phone call that people were talking about that he made when they said he you know it seemed
01:05:02
like the attacker got a phone call and was taking a phone call. According to the college they're saying that the
01:05:10
switchboard did have the capabilities to connect him with his doctor. So that's a
01:05:14
possibility. However, what they will state is that when the operator connected with whomever was calling the
01:05:22
caller did not state who he was did not say anything at all did not ask to speak
01:05:28
with a doctor and after just seconds the call dropped. Right. Now there so they're willing to admit
01:05:35
that they received a call about the same time that James Holmes says he placed a
01:05:39
call. a lot of this stuff with this James Holmes character is he it's it's all about convenience. When they say oh well
01:05:47
did you go out into your car? Were you trying to stop yourself? No. No. But you're going to also then argue that
01:05:55
you're the one making a call to psychiatrist moments before you go in and try to kill
01:06:01
people. It's see what I'm saying it's convenience. Well it's convenient for him and his defense.
01:06:06
Right that's what I'm saying. But at the same time it's interesting because law enforcement is dealing with something
01:06:12
that they don't typically end up dealing with. Because in mass shootings in the last two decades over six about 60% of
01:06:21
the shooters decide to die during or after the attack. They either commit suicide or they commit death by cop
01:06:27
engaging the police Right. or violently attacking or resisting them causing the police to kill them before
01:06:34
they can be apprehended. So we're seeing a situation here where we have somebody
01:06:38
that's committed this horrible crime that only took minutes to take place and now we have an opportunity or we have
01:06:47
the dire situation of interviewing him and trying to figure out whether he's sane or not and why this why he led to
01:06:54
this why what why did this end up happening. And but here's the other thing captain. We
01:07:00
talked about the Joker we talked about you know he says I'm the Joker and and some people have wondered that was was
01:07:07
he acting like the Joker? You know did he did he decide not to commit suicide or
01:07:14
death by cop? Instead was he choosing to live and view and witness the aftermath
01:07:19
of this attack and the destruction and the chaos that he created. Yeah I mean that the the you know
01:07:25
and any of these events or any crime I guess the question always then becomes why? Why did this person do this?
01:07:33
And so a lot of people just say well the reason why he wanted to do this was because he wanted to be famous.
01:07:39
And I I think you can see some evidence of that on on on some level but I think people
01:07:47
make a big deal about that where he's like this some some mastermind. Yeah he was an intelligent guy.
01:07:53
But I think he did some shitty things some real shitty things that he couldn't take back and I think he viewed them as
01:07:59
such. I mean when you're asking the cops and if you watch that interrogation yeah
01:08:04
there's moments where he's acting crazy and you could you know again argue the validity of his mental state
01:08:11
but he's asking questions that show remorse and I don't applaud him for that. I think he you know he's still a piece of
01:08:18
[ __ ] but but I don't but you know fame what does it matter if he wanted to be famous or
01:08:25
not. I challenge you a bit on that. I don't know that he's showing remorse. I but
01:08:29
you're on to something there. I think that what he's showing is a level of sanity that he that he's not completely
01:08:35
insane. Yeah maybe it's not remorse. you're exactly right. He does ask the police were there any kids in the
01:08:41
audience. And and he we would later find out that he chose a movie theater for for multiple reasons but one of the
01:08:50
reasons why he chose a movie theater was because he could choose a midnight premiere where there would be a lot of
01:08:55
people. Where but because of the time of day he didn't anticipate there being any
01:09:01
children in the audience. Yeah and the problem is there was a child. There was also a pregnant lady.
01:09:11
Yeah the youngest victim was six years old and as you said there was a woman that was pregnant
01:09:16
The youngest victim was the baby that wasn't born yet. You know that's that's the youngest baby that's the baby that
01:09:23
didn't get to start its life you know because some guy was lost. And and it's it's kind of stupid, you
01:09:30
know. So, we have this guy. He's He's been apprehended and there's really no question here, Captain, right? There's
01:09:37
no question of did he do it or if he was the one that did it, right? Coming out at the time.
01:09:43
And there we did have the sane the sanity thing to to worry about, uh but that's going to start to work its way
01:09:50
out through the court system. But, what we start to see is the hoax. The Well, let's finish the trial real quick.
01:09:57
Okay. I mean, so he goes on trial. Then it's all about is he sane or insane? Mhm. Right? So, and then they have to
01:10:04
figure that out. Uh a psychiatrist, his examination of him. I think he spent I don't know. I can't remember how long he
01:10:11
spent with him. I think it was 22 hours. hours. And he he comes out and says, "Look, I
01:10:16
think he's sane. I don't think he's insane. You know, maybe he has some weirdness there, but
01:10:21
right. He He kind of says that he is he's He's got some mental illness. However,
01:10:27
he is not by definition of legally insane. He's not legally insane. Right. He's aware of what he'd done and he's
01:10:35
aware of what took place. Yeah, and then there there becomes this argument that people I I I keep seeing
01:10:40
this, you know. You know, you got the insanity plea, right? He's He's insane, but people are
01:10:47
starting to bring up the idea of mental illness, you know, and and having that be some
01:10:53
kind of defense. Mhm. Which um but anyways, so it comes out that, you know, for all intents and purposes, they say
01:11:02
he's sane and then the jury finds him guilty. And his argument was that he was insane.
01:11:09
So, then there he's sentenced to uh to you What is that? Oh, he got it He got one of the
01:11:15
lengthiest sentences ever handed down. He got 24 life sentences. Mhm. And tacked onto that, he got like over 3,000
01:11:23
years on top of that. And the reason for the 24 life sentences is he killed 12 people, so they doubled that up. And
01:11:31
then factoring into the the 3,000 well, over 3,000 years that they add onto that
01:11:37
I bet they didn't count the baby. That that is taken into account all of the people that were wounded or injured in
01:11:44
the event itself, as well as some other charges for, you know, possession of explosives and and certain um things
01:11:51
that in inciting panic and, you know, all these other things that he was he was found guilty of.
01:11:56
So, yeah. So, he's sentenced. He's going to spend the the rest of his life um in jail. And then And the big
01:12:04
question at the time when when the trial happened was is he is he going to die for this? Well, he's going to die in
01:12:10
prison and and and that's how it goes. Now, again, people want to know what the why is because now if he's not insane,
01:12:19
then what's the motivation? And like I said, one of the mo- the motivating factors that people bring up time and
01:12:24
time again and you'll see a lot of the victims that were at trial talk about that. Well, this is nonsense
01:12:31
because this is getting bigger and bigger and and and this is what he wants, right? So,
01:12:38
um we we you know, I don't think we'll ever know the reason why, you know. No, no. The the real reason.
01:12:45
No, because people want to ask things like, "Well, is this a gun control problem? Or is this a mental health
01:12:50
problem? Or is this something in our society going on with It's both problems. with violence and movies or violence and
01:12:56
video games?" And I actually think it's probably a a whole bundle all those things up together. Um and don't go
01:13:04
crazy. I'm not saying take away the guns. Nobody's saying that here. What I'm saying that is that that is part of
01:13:10
the issue. You can't walk away from this and say that that that at some point guns don't have anything to do with
01:13:16
this. They absolutely do. Yeah, well, I mean, cuz you know, that that's the the choice of
01:13:23
weapons. But, I mean, look, if the guy was going in with a machete and trying to kill everybody, it's a machete
01:13:29
problem. I mean, but it's definitely a mental health problem. And it's something that we don't talk
01:13:35
about. And I like I said it before, the National Football League will have a month where they wear pink and talk
01:13:41
about cancer. And that's great. And we we need cancer awareness, but one of the things that we need more more in this
01:13:49
country uh is mental health awareness. And it getting it to the point And here's the
01:13:56
here's the here's the messed up thing with this whole situation. James actually tried to get help,
01:14:03
you know? And and and I that's I'm not putting any blame on the doctors, you know, but
01:14:08
this is not a kid that was uh going through some stuff and then just decided, "Well, I'm going to kill these
01:14:15
people." And you know, so there's definitely some mental health stuff going on. Um and that that just raises all these
01:14:22
more all these questions. And so, years later um 4 years later and then because of the gun control
01:14:29
thing Mhm. because of the gun control thing, then this becomes this conspiracy thing.
01:14:35
You're exactly right. hoax and when you Because when we see these things, Sandy Hook, when we see
01:14:41
Columbine, when when these things happen, immediately there's these people that come out of the woodwork and they
01:14:46
say, "Nope, this is your government your government set this up somehow or there's there's other players involved
01:14:52
in this and this is all because somebody wants to take away your right to own a gun."
01:14:57
Exactly. And uh there's been multiple cases where there is proof that the media,
01:15:05
you know, I don't know who the higher-ups that are pulling the puppet strings, but there has been cases
01:15:11
um that in these different circumstances that it seems like there's some kind of
01:15:16
hoax to it. So, that So, we're just going to go through these real quick cuz it it's interesting.
01:15:21
So, the first idea of this hoax and you can look it up is that it never happened.
01:15:28
And this is just nonsense. One, we got a guy in prison. We had this trial. We have hundreds and hundreds of people
01:15:34
hundreds of witnesses at at the theater. There's videotapes of it. People that say this is one of the
01:15:40
one of the things that drives me nuts when people go, "There's no There's no cell phone footage of the shooter."
01:15:46
Okay, well, if somebody was shooting at me, my first thought is not to pull out my phone and take a Snapchat of this
01:15:53
this douchebag. You know what I mean? So, that argument sitting there watching a movie that
01:15:58
they've already told you to turn off your cell phone just minutes earlier, which I know not everybody abides by
01:16:03
that rule, but let's assume that most people have. You just turn it on silent is what
01:16:08
they're asking for. But, hundreds and hundreds of witnesses, right? And then not only that, but we
01:16:16
have all these uh victims that are taken to hospitals and there's hundreds and hundreds of people at the hospitals. So,
01:16:22
did it happen? Yes, this happened. It absolutely did. somebody that thinks um that this didn't happen and it's just
01:16:30
all a hoax, you know, maybe you should go talk to a doctor. Um the another hoax that
01:16:38
that this one drives me a little nuts is uh it's a different guy. And what they do is they like to take
01:16:45
pictures of James Holmes before and then James Holmes after when he's arrested and they put them side by side
01:16:53
and then they say, "See? It's a different person." And I've watched these videos multiple
01:16:58
times. I don't see the difference. I mean, yeah, he has a different hairstyle color. He looks like he's probably put
01:17:05
on about 20 lb um of fat, not not muscle or anything. And yeah, so he's the same guy. He just
01:17:15
looks different. and on top of that, this would have to be a very elaborate hoax if it's a
01:17:20
different guy. Because let's think about this for a second. Most of the purchases
01:17:25
that he made for ammo and firearms were purchased with a credit card that he carried. He's the holder of this credit
01:17:32
card. He ordered some of these things online from on online retailers. He purchased some of these firearms in
01:17:40
person. And he's there they There are video footage of him purchasing some of these guns in person.
01:17:47
Um and so well, their argument would be that they got rid of him a long time before that
01:17:51
and then this impostor is the one that setting it all up. But, like I said, they're But again, I'm just pointing out
01:17:59
I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying it would be a very elaborate hoax Yeah, yeah. to frame this guy. Yeah,
01:18:04
yeah. And be a very elaborate hoax that this never happened. Um So, then the other idea is is there
01:18:11
are two shooters. You know, and this is the point where you'll hear this over and over. You hear
01:18:18
it on the 91 on the 911 dispatches. They talk about um two shooters. Eyewitnesses say there was two shooters.
01:18:29
A couple of the eyewitnesses say, "Well, look, that he comes in the door and they there had to be two people.
01:18:35
One, I think I think that feeling is coming from how fast those bullets are coming out of
01:18:40
that gun. And then the other idea is that, well, you know, the the smoke bombs weren't
01:18:47
going off in the same direction. So, it had to be two shooters. Well, the smoke bombs aren't going off in the
01:18:54
same direction cuz he's tossing those. If you toss it 10 ft and the smoke goes up in a moment of chaos in a moment of
01:19:02
panic, you're going to assume that, well, there's somebody over there. Um so, you
01:19:09
the this is not um when this is being reported over and over and over, I I think it does give
01:19:15
some validity to look into that idea. Is there two shooters? Because we have multiple eyewitnesses
01:19:24
that claim that there were. Now, here's an here's something that gives that some validity
01:19:31
is um and I I couldn't find this for certain, but we talked about James Holmes being
01:19:38
found wearing a gas mask. Uh there was a gas mask that was found on the other end of the building
01:19:46
behind and there and it was found with a bloody knife. Now, how much truth is is there? I'm not
01:19:54
really for sure. They also talk about some weird things with the guns, the guns being propped up and not just
01:19:59
laying down, and that there was possibly two AR-15s that's what they AR-15s. Um so that gives some idea to the the
01:20:09
idea uh was there two uh shooters. There was also some reports of uh a a group of people in a in a van that
01:20:19
pulled somebody into the van. And some people thought, well, that is um you know, because none of the
01:20:27
Somebody making a getaway. Right. My my argument would be they either just didn't see something correct on that
01:20:33
level or possibly it was somebody pulling in a victim to have them get away. Um the other thing I don't buy about that
01:20:43
is James Holmes has never brought that to anybody else's attention that that that there was multiple shooters.
01:20:50
Yeah, and actually when he was asked if he was alone by the arresting officers, he pretty much just gave us he just kind
01:20:56
of gave a smirk. Like he didn't really say yes or no, but um Well, that doesn't help the hoax
01:21:03
hoax theory because if he's a smirking, then maybe No, but I think that that that goes along with other things that
01:21:10
how he was reacting to his arrest. Um and the thing here too, one thing that I think throws this whole second shooter
01:21:18
into into motion. You know, when when we talked about Columbine, we we had said that, you
01:21:24
know, some eyewitnesses believed that they had seen multiple groups of two men walking the
01:21:32
halls shooting at people. And this was because of the way the school was laid out that they were
01:21:37
running, they were fleeing, they were panicking. You don't really know exactly what you're seeing when you're in that
01:21:42
life or death situation. You just know that you're seeing something. You may not you may not process that you're
01:21:48
seeing the same person twice. Now, it but one thing that happened here too was with the arresting officer,
01:21:56
he at one point did think that there was a second shooter. And the reason being was after he had apprehended uh James
01:22:04
Holmes, he saw a green sight. Now, this is like a laser scope sight that you would have on a handgun or on a firearm,
01:22:12
and he saw this green sight pointing off in the off in the distance or near them.
01:22:18
And so he immediately goes on guard because now he's concerned that there's a second shooter. It's not very long
01:22:24
after that that he realizes that that the sight that he's seeing is left on the Glock that was on the roof of the
01:22:31
white hatchback that that he had drug James Holmes away from. Well, the other thing too is that when he
01:22:39
uh he sends like we talked about, he sends this package of the plan to uh his psychiatrist and
01:22:47
there's no mention of a second shooter in that. So um you know, there is some reason to
01:22:54
dive into that and question that. There doesn't seem to be a lot of validity to that. So like we talked about before, is
01:23:02
this the same guy? When they put the pictures up side by side, it's definitely the same guy, but
01:23:08
then they start arguing, well, his body's different. Well, let's start let's think about this. In middle school
01:23:14
and high school, he played soccer and uh he he ran cross country. And then he goes to college and now he's out of
01:23:23
college, he's you know, he's in college but for his doctorate. So he's gained the the freshman 15.
01:23:30
I mean, this guy looks, you know, yeah, he's in more shape in the in high school
01:23:35
and he let himself go, you know, and then as he then it takes him 2 years to go stay on trial and lets himself go
01:23:42
even more. Yeah, well, I mean I mean think about this so he's he has an athletic body
01:23:48
type according to his adult friend finder account, right? But but there there we do know that on occasion he
01:23:55
rode his bike to and from school. Um we also know that like you said, he's at school, he's active, he's doing
01:24:02
things. No, but what I'm talking about is high school. He wasn't that active in college. So
01:24:07
yes, your body is is his body different? Yes, his body's different, but it's just
01:24:13
that's that's what it looks like when somebody's not in shape anymore. But what I'm saying for me is I'm seeing
01:24:18
a difference in body type between him at trial and him on the day that he's arrested or within days of his arrest.
01:24:26
Yeah, it's a it's a progression. But obviously it doesn't take an Einstein to figure it
01:24:31
out. I didn't even have to leave the garage to figure it out. It's because guess what? He's in solitary confinement
01:24:37
for most of his incarceration for most of the time that he's being held because of multiple reasons. One, they are
01:24:43
worried that he's going to be killed by another prisoner or person that's in the
01:24:47
jail. Uh two, they are worried about him trying to take his own life. There was reports of him slamming his head into
01:24:55
walls uh and him saying crazy things, but there were also things when he was first
01:25:00
brought in, they were the the other inmates were calling him a child killer and a baby killer and they they they
01:25:08
made no bones about it that they wanted to hurt him. So he was held in solitary confinement for those reasons. Guess
01:25:15
what? Unless you decide to drop to the floor and do push-ups, you don't get much activity in this situation.
01:25:21
Okay, so what are some other reasons why people would think that this is possibly some kind of
01:25:27
hoax and not not that it's not real, but that it's for some other agenda. Well, there's a lot of talk about his
01:25:36
funding for school being from uh DARPA, right? Now, DARPA is the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. Uh
01:25:47
it's roughly about 2.9 uh 2.97 billion dollars are allotted to DARPA every year. Uh they
01:25:56
it's but again, there's no record of this. Uh It seems like the majority of the money
01:26:03
that he's getting to go to school is coming from the university as as far as grants go. Yeah, he got a grant as well
01:26:09
as a stipend. Uh and on top of that, his parents seem to have some kind of money
01:26:14
that he may have been receiving money from them. And we do know that he had in his possession a credit card that he was
01:26:19
not afraid to use. Yeah, I mean and and the the big argument about this is that all the stuff he bought was possibly
01:26:28
about $10,000 worth of uh equipment that he purchased for the attack. Um again, he's you know, I'm we're talking about
01:26:38
20-some thousand dollars coming in from um the school to pay for his and I I just didn't find anything that
01:26:46
showed any validity that DARPA was paying for his school. Uh the other thing that is weird that is they say
01:26:53
that this is, you know, a big conspiracy because his therapist worked for the Air
01:26:58
Force. She was a and now, th- there is some validity to this. She did work for the Air Force.
01:27:06
She also has kind of a dark past. She was charged with some weird stuff. She was uh prescribing pills for herself,
01:27:14
prescribing pills for her family members. She got in trouble with the DEA about this.
01:27:19
They do their little whatever they got to do and then she ends up here. And so the
01:27:24
again, that it's this part of this conspiracy theory. Well, she worked for the Air Force, so
01:27:28
that means she's connected to the government and that means that he is like some uh silent assassin or whatever
01:27:35
you want to call him. Candidate. Yeah, MK Ultra type of stuff. So there's some validity to that idea, but
01:27:45
again, uh she saw him three times. You know, But but is there? I don't think that
01:27:50
there is. I think some of these are just leaps that people are making. leap, but what I'm saying is
01:27:55
she did work for the Air Force, you know, she was a psychiatrist for the Air Force.
01:27:59
No, I get that part of it, but it's also the same thing as saying, well, the captain knows Nick and Nick knows
01:28:06
John somebody over there. So So somebody. So that so therefore that means that John over
01:28:12
there knows the captain. Well, that's that's a bit of a leap. Yeah, and then the it comes out that
01:28:17
there's this inmate that sees him when he's in jail. Mhm. And she makes these claims that he's
01:28:24
screaming stuff and and and doing all the stuff. Later come to find out that she was not
01:28:30
an inmate, that she worked for the prison. It's it's a weird thing. What why she
01:28:35
did what she did or who told her to do that, it's a strange thing. To me, still no validity that there's
01:28:43
some conspiracy theory or that this just happened so that our government can take away our guns.
01:28:50
Um let's see. Some other stuff that was interesting. People always talked about him being drugged.
01:28:56
Uh yes, he was definitely drugged uh on some level. They they reported this in the paper basically saying that
01:29:03
that James Holmes was on some kind of truth serum, which we know truth serum as being like
01:29:09
LSD. This was not LSD. It is weird that they drugged him, but also this is a guy that has made
01:29:16
multiple claims you know, that he saw shadow people. He saw that he was seeing shadow people. Well, that was reported
01:29:22
because they were trying to decide they needed this psychol- psychiatrist to see
01:29:27
him to make a determination whether he was sane or legally insane at the time of the event for the purpose of his
01:29:34
trial. Now, during this they one of the methods that they thought of pursuing would be to feed him this truth serum
01:29:42
and to figure out if if he's telling the truth because he is of the level of intelligence that he may
01:29:49
be able to fake some kind of insanity. Right. Especially because he was a somebody that was studying the brain and
01:29:58
how the brain reacts and how the brain works. And and so he may be able to fake that.
01:30:03
Ultimately they decided not to give him that. They they they figured out that the best way to figure out if he's if
01:30:10
he's acting or if he's actually being true and real was to monitor him by multiple people over the course of a
01:30:18
lengthy amount of time because anybody I don't care how smart you are, how dumb you are, most people can act a certain
01:30:26
level of crazy for a certain amount of time. But if you do that if you expand it over a long enough timeline,
01:30:33
people can't hold that up after a while. Right, right, right. Yeah, and so you know,
01:30:40
there's some validity there. I mean they they were they did give him some drugs or whatever. Uh
01:30:48
I don't know what that proves. You know, I think that I think the thing that they
01:30:52
say is like a lot of the stuff with this whole MK Ultra talk is that well, we put somebody
01:30:59
you know, the sleeper assassin. They go they go up. They they he did the attack and now he can't remember any of it and
01:31:07
now we're going to drug him and the whole idea is that we're going to take him away from society and we're going to
01:31:12
screw up his brain. And so what they're saying is they're drugging him. So therefore it's
01:31:18
a conspiracy. Well, they are drugging him, but they're not hiding the fact that they did drug him.
01:31:23
And part of that is because he's on suicide watch. Right. And that's that's typical protocol to follow when when
01:31:29
they have you you you feed them the drugs because it dulls them down and it and it and it calms their behavior. So
01:31:36
again, it's happening. They're not being secretive about it. I don't think it plays you shouldn't run with this idea
01:31:43
to make it a conspiracy. But what they said was so after the media reports that wow, James Holmes looks super drugged
01:31:51
up, then the judge says no more media. And again, conspiracy theorists say, okay, well,
01:31:59
see, here's an example of them trying to cover this up. Yeah, they actually issued like a 2 and 1/2 year gag order
01:32:05
on people that were close to the case. They were not allowed to speak to the media regarding the James Holmes case.
01:32:12
Oh, the what the judge said you can believe it or not was he didn't want it to turn
01:32:17
into a media circus. And you know, obviously And you know what? Even with with all the extra that they put on to
01:32:24
it trying to make it not turn into a circus, it I mean it still it still was received in my opinion as a circus.
01:32:33
Yeah, so let me look at this. Okay, so okay, if we want to stuff that would make you some eyebrows,
01:32:44
right? They would raise your eyebrows and and James Holmes famous for his stupid eyebrows.
01:32:51
Some things that raise some eyebrows that just could just be pure crazy or is there something to it?
01:32:59
Deborah Cave, so what happens is there when they're going to sentence him, this lady, which people claim was homeless
01:33:08
and that she was at the courthouse for a couple days. She gets up and says, don't kill him. It's not his
01:33:15
fault. She's screaming this. And that okay, that's not that weird. But then she starts saying, look, it's
01:33:22
mental health. It's a mental health issue. You know, maybe he's sane, but his mental health
01:33:27
this is where it gets strange. Deborah Cave says, I'm his real mother. They took him from me.
01:33:37
And then James Holmes' mom turns around and now she's crying. Some mutter they mutter some stuff and
01:33:44
you know, they're trying to detain Deborah Cave and then she says some stuff and then she mutters FBI.
01:33:53
Now, that happened. We know that. We also know that Deborah Cave was found in contempt of court and then they arrested
01:34:03
her for this. I don't know what happened to Deborah Deborah Cave. I don't know if she was homeless. I
01:34:09
don't know if she was on drugs. I don't know if she's mentally well, but it's something that goes
01:34:15
well, that raises some eyebrows. I don't know what it means, but it's weird. It's very it's certainly
01:34:22
strange. Holmes looks like his mother. You know, have have you seen any interviews with the with his mother? He
01:34:29
he looks like his mother. I I that that's not that's I I I think he looks like his father as well. Yeah, I mean he
01:34:35
looks like his parents to me. I mean that's not a DNA test, you know, but so for me is on the police radio. You talk
01:34:49
about them looking for a shooter that is wearing blue blue jeans and a plaid shirt.
01:34:56
That raises some suspicion to me because that's definitely not what he was wearing. He's wearing all black. But
01:35:02
again, that could have just been, you know, misidentification. Let's get into some of the little
01:35:08
juicier stuff. The the one of the main things that people bring up is that Robert Holmes
01:35:16
James' home James Holmes' father. So Robert Holmes is a mathematician and also a scientist.
01:35:24
Like I said, he has degrees from Stanford, UCLA and UC Berkeley. The idea was that he was going to be on trial or
01:35:33
testify in a case dealing with uh LIBOR. This is the bank scandal. Yeah, LIBOR. Right? I think that's what it's called.
01:35:45
Now, basically what it is is that when when banks borrow money from each other, there's a system on how that works.
01:35:55
Now, you can read into this as much as you want and there's some weird stuff too because they people try
01:36:01
to make some connection that James' home James Holmes' father was connected to this LIBOR
01:36:10
and so was a victim's father and Sandy Hook. There's not much validity to the Sandy
01:36:17
Hook connection, but yes, Robert Holmes definitely had some stuff to do with FICO credit scores, some
01:36:27
computer programming and and different stuff in his field to help with banking and some people would say, well, that
01:36:36
connects Robert Holmes to the lead of the lead. Therefore, James' is part of this conspiracy.
01:36:45
I don't know if I buy that. It is very odd and it makes me want to dive into it more, but I I don't know if that proves
01:36:53
that this this is a conspiracy. There's there's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there regarding this case
01:37:01
and regarding Sandy Hook and regarding a lot of these other mass shootings. But at the end of the day,
01:37:08
the thing is this this mass shooting problem is a problem and it and it's happening
01:37:14
all the time. I mean I want to give you some quick numbers here, okay? According
01:37:18
to the FBI, the FBI considers a a homicidal rampage like a mass shooting. They consider that their
01:37:25
definition of a mass shooting is where the attack results in the death of four or more persons, okay? So in the 1980s
01:37:35
in the United States, there were 18 of these such attacks. In the 1990s, there was 54 of them. In the 2000s, there was
01:37:44
87. And from the years of 2006 to 2010, we had 156 of these attacks. So hoax, no hoax,
01:37:55
whatever you you dive down all the rabbit holes you want to go to, that's fine and that's all well good, but you
01:38:00
can't argue against these numbers. The other thing that's crazy too is America's robbery, theft and assault
01:38:07
rates are similar to numbers that are seen and compared to other developed countries
01:38:13
like the US. However, our gun homicide rate, we have about 11,000 gun deaths a year in this country. This is according
01:38:22
to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. So we're looking at numbers from 2013.
01:38:28
So this what this is is this means that our you our gun homicide rate is 30 times
01:38:36
higher than that of countries like France or Australia. So we're we're seeing and we're seeing a problem here.
01:38:43
We're we're seeing it repeat itself time and time again and it's increasing rapidly.
01:38:49
No, I I get that, but a lot of those countries are also quite smaller than ours. You know, so murder per per capita
01:38:56
and all that stuff, but Yeah, but they still have the same they say have the exact same numbers of robberies and
01:39:01
thefts and assaults. Yeah, I mean I think we definitely have a mental health issue. I definitely think we have
01:39:08
And and you know, in the 80s and the 90s, we actually had a lot more our violent uh attacks as far as violent
01:39:18
assaults, the rates were much higher for those singular attacks back then. But you had
01:39:24
a lot fewer of these these shooting massacre Well, when you said conspiracy or not,
01:39:30
well, yeah, and we're having a problem, but it's a it's it's a big problem if this is some conspiracy,
01:39:38
you know, to to control the narrative. Um now what they talked about was, you know, with this MK-Ultra thing, well, we
01:39:46
talked about this is the number one hair-raising thing that gives some validity, not that it's
01:39:53
hoaxed and it's fake, but that they're trying to control the narrative. Is they talk about with the MK-Ultra,
01:40:00
once you do something, then you you might have amnesia, but we don't want you to get to the point where you
01:40:07
do remember. Now there's a couple times that uh inmates said that James Holmes was yelling, uh the FBI brainwashed me.
01:40:16
Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. Maybe that's part of psychosis, maybe it's not. I don't know.
01:40:21
Maybe it's him part of him acting crazy. Because but I think I believe that doctor when he said he was in he was
01:40:28
actually sane because I see those those fragments of sanity in his interrogation. And if you think
01:40:35
that this guy is just some crazy psycho, uh watch his interrogations. Yeah. You're
01:40:41
going to see some humanity inside him and you're going to see some saneness, but this
01:40:47
Well, you're going to see some thought put into action of his attack. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to
01:40:51
see that because he's asking about the children, like you had said. And there's other things that they learn from this
01:40:56
notebook that they that they get that he sent to the psychiatrist. They figure out that that he again, he picked the
01:41:04
late-night showing of this movie because he didn't believe that there would be any children in there. The notebook
01:41:10
clearly states he clearly presents himself as somebody that wants to kill people, and he thinks about becoming a
01:41:17
serial killer. However, he decides that that's not the route he's going to go because that's too personal of an of an
01:41:24
attack. That's a that's an up-close and personal wouldn't be able to handle something
01:41:27
like that. He also thinks about going into an airport and carrying out a mass shooting in airport. However, he decides
01:41:34
that he doesn't want to do that because there would be too much security there and that he would probably be stopped
01:41:39
before he could get to what he do what he wants to do. He also thought about using explosives to to kill a lot
01:41:48
of people. However, he decided not to use explosives because he was worried that he would blow himself up in the
01:41:53
process. Right, well, he uses explosives, but and then that's another part about the conspiracy. Some people
01:42:00
believe there was no bombs at all in his apartment. But in which then in that case the
01:42:06
notebook goes with that thought. But but the big hair-raising thing um if you want to start diving down the
01:42:14
conspiracy thing and really which gives some validity to it, you know, is we don't know where James Holmes is.
01:42:23
Right. You know, he was arrested, uh he you know, went on trial, he's charged, and sentenced. He's sentenced, all that
01:42:32
stuff, and then they did this uh prisoner trade. So basically this one prison will we're
01:42:38
going to give you a prisoner. Well, he was attacked. Well, yeah, he was attacked.
01:42:43
attacked. What happened was one of the correction officers accidentally well, we don't need to go into that. But for
01:42:51
whatever reason there was a door that was left unlocked or or cell that was left unlocked. Somehow
01:42:57
somebody didn't do their job correctly and an inmate was able to get to James Holmes Holmes and assaulted him. And
01:43:05
after this took place, this was last year. After this took place, they transported him to another prison and
01:43:13
they will not say where he's being held and they say that this is for his personal safety. Yeah, so what they do
01:43:18
is a one-for-one. We're going to trade this prisoner for you. They say it's for his safety. And then
01:43:24
the the the there's uh parents of the victims that just want to know where he's at.
01:43:30
And they won't say and the state I guess technically doesn't have to say. Uh that's the hair-raising thing. When
01:43:38
that happens, now and and by the way, he's not prisoner James Holmes anymore. He's prisoner whatever. They say they
01:43:48
changed his name. Uh who knows, right? So nobody knows where he's at. Um that's the that's one of the
01:43:57
main things. I don't find that fishy at all. Yeah, but I find that to be a problem
01:44:02
and I a problem. Because in certain states, and it might be all 50 states, I'm not
01:44:07
certain, but I know for I know for a fact that some of the states carry the system where they are required to treat
01:44:14
their inmates and the inmates have the same rights as the citizens of that state.
01:44:20
Right. Well, this presents some problems because we've seen in some states where
01:44:25
where maybe somebody wants to be a man wants to become a woman. Well, everybody has that right. So now the
01:44:32
state has to pay for that process to take place and that's not a cheap process. So in this situation we're
01:44:40
seeing we're seeing where they need to keep James Holmes safe without being attacked or without being
01:44:47
killed by another inmate because that's the same thing that they would transpire
01:44:51
to any citizen of that state. I I have a problem with this. I don't I don't have a problem with keeping
01:44:57
inmates safe. I think that they should I should they should be safe. The problem
01:45:01
here is I do think that the victims' families as well as the general public has much of every much of a right to know
01:45:09
where he's being kept and how long he's going to be kept there. I think that people need to know this. I I think you
01:45:15
know, if if punishment is the deterrent for committing a crime or harmful acts to
01:45:22
others, then we need to see the punishment, right? We need to be aware of it. This guy doesn't shouldn't just
01:45:29
be able to vanish like a ghost in the night. Right. And now and now this now he becomes more of a of a legend, so to
01:45:36
speak. Yeah, and I think because of that that, you know, sparks fire. I'm not saying it gives any validity to this
01:45:43
idea that it's conspiracy that you know, this is some part of like, you know, mind control or something.
01:45:50
Um but I think it it's one of those things that conspiracy theorists will go, "Haha, see? See?" We can't even find
01:45:59
James Holmes. How can we know anything? Um but yeah, there's some there's some odd stuff about this, but in any of
01:46:07
these cases, I mean, you can look up this stuff about uh you know, the Illuminati cards and you can look up all
01:46:13
these number theories about James Holmes. Um look, if you're looking for answers and
01:46:20
you're looking for odd things that don't line up, you're going to find those if you look for them. You know, if you're
01:46:28
really searching them out. But uh man, we've gone long enough already. Oh, wow. So anyways, he's a he's a real piece of
01:46:35
[ __ ] Um you know, I think we should know where he's at. Um I agree. I agree. a real piece of [ __ ]
01:46:43
Especially the victims' families. Um and like we said, there's so many victims here. I mean, when you when you tally it
01:46:48
all up, uh it's crazy. And what's sad is that this kid showed promise. You know,
01:46:55
this kid showed um intellect you know, he he could have done he knows what he could have done and in
01:47:06
the positive realm. And he didn't do that. And then he and he takes these innocent people's lives
01:47:13
and affects all these people. Uh it's it's a sad story. Well, and you know what? Here's the thing, too. You know,
01:47:19
you we often, you know, I've said it myself and I've heard other people say it as well. When when these mass
01:47:26
shootings happen and you know, we said that 60% of them decide to commit suicide or die during the act or after
01:47:34
the act and he didn't do that in this situation. And when when we see these mass shootings, we often say, myself
01:47:43
included, "Well, why didn't he just go kill himself? You know, instead of doing this horrible thing, why didn't he just
01:47:48
go kill himself?" I can't answer that question, but here's here's what I want to know.
01:47:54
I think there's something going on with the youth of America and it's not youth of America as a whole, but it's
01:48:00
happening in these little pockets, right? And we're seeing these mass shootings happen at a faster rate year
01:48:07
after year after year. We all want to know why they're happening, but at the same time
01:48:14
some of this is to get noticed. Yeah. Some of it is a way to get noticed. Now here's a good way to go out and get
01:48:20
noticed. Go talk to a psychiatrist. Go tell them that, you know what, I'm there's something inside of me telling
01:48:27
me to kill people or telling me to to to shoot into an audience of people. Mhm. Why don't you choose to be famous or
01:48:37
choose to be known or or be somebody that was somebody that saved lives rather than taking them.
01:48:45
Yeah, you'd be known as the the mass murderer that never was. Or something like that. Yeah.
01:48:52
All right, let's wrap this up cuz um Skull getting a little too much for me today.
01:48:57
We got a little hairy and scary in the garage tonight. They're draining, man. These cases drain
01:49:03
you. You you research them, you're trying to find interesting things to talk about, but at the
01:49:08
at the end of the day, uh innocent people lost their lives and and it's and it sucks.
01:49:13
And it sent Well, and the the terrible thing, too, is it's senseless. It's absolutely senseless. And we've we've
01:49:20
locked ourselves in the garage for the last week trying to get into the mind of James Holmes and figure out why this
01:49:24
happened. And there and I I need to get out. All right. reading. Thank you, Captain. I want to recommend
01:49:31
The Spiral Notebook, The Aurora Theater Shooter and the epidemic of violent mass
01:49:37
violence committed by American youth. This is by a husband and wife team, uh Stephen and Joyce Singular. And they
01:49:44
This is a very interesting book. Of course, it talks about James Holmes and the events leading up to the attack and
01:49:50
the things that took place afterwards. But one thing that they did that was interesting here is they discuss some of
01:49:55
the other mass shootings in this country. They discuss a lot of numbers and statistics, as well as interviewing
01:50:02
parts of American youth and asking them their opinions on of the epidemic of what's going on in this country. Right.
01:50:10
Uh so again, that's The Spiral Notebook by Stephen and Joyce Singular. You can pick that up by going to
01:50:15
truecrimegarage.com, click on the recommended page, and you're going to see this book as well as all the other
01:50:20
books and uh even we recommended a movie last week. So, go check that out. truecrimegarage.com. Uh sorry that Well,
01:50:27
I'm not sorry. Not sorry that the episode was so long. Well, some people some people might
01:50:33
Break it up into I enjoyed sitting here speaking with you, and we avoid avoided watching the election uh in the process.
01:50:39
We did get out and try to rock the vote, but who knows what will happen with that.
01:50:43
I meant no spoilers, but uh But either way, Bill Murray didn't win. regardless of the outcome, let's all be
01:50:49
friends, and let's all be a great country together. And you know what, Captain? Until next time, be good, be
01:50:54
kind, and don't litter. Bill Murray for president.