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[Music] Tina Marie Harmon was a 12 year old girl who was abducted raped and murdered she
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was last seen on October 29 1981 after being dropped off in front of a store to join some of her friends after the
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discovery of her body she was later buried at Maple Mound Cemetery in 1982 Ernest Holbrook Jr and Hermann Ray
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Rucker were convicted of both the rape and murder of Tina Harmon all right but just like the great Lee
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Corso would say captain not so fast that's right because after the trials two of the four Witnesses
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who helped to send both of these guys to get convictions life sentences in prison
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recanted their testimony which ones all right so two of the four and that does not really even begin to tell us about
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the trouble with one of the remaining Witnesses who still stands by their testimony against Rucker so
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I I want to go through this one witness that's going to stand by her statements first and then we'll we'll tell you
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which two dropped out remember Susan Sigler she is the one that said hey Rucker confessed to me that the two of them
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killed this girl after she refused their sexual advances or Rucker sexual advances right he even showed me a
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picture of Tina Harmon and this took place according to Susan Sigler on October 30th the day after Tina Harmon
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went missing now at Rucker's trial 10 people 10 people testified that Sigler is a liar and that her
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testimony is not credible right three Witnesses called Sigler a Storyteller eager for attention
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this was the testimony of two former husbands and her aunt so I get it maybe we got some angry old ex-husbands that
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are like yeah she's a liar don't believe her but we have her aunt as well a family member saying right she's a
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Storyteller eager for attention we also have three West Salem police officers who testified that Sigler had a
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reputation for not telling the truth police officers police officers 10 people in total said the woman is a liar
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right but like we said and yesterday's episode you throw out her look if I'm on the jury okay she's a
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liar so now I don't buy her story maybe I don't buy the other eyewitnesses Story
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the only story I have to buy is when Maynard says these guys drove me to Tina's dead body and showed me the
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dead body if I believe that with no physical evidence they're guilty you throw them in jail
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and throw away the key but a portion of his witness statement is the same as Susan sigler's right so I get what
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you're saying yes Maynard's testimony is certainly the most damning of the four but if you're going to believe Maynard
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then you have to believe at least some of what siegler's saying or all of it now I did want to read some of the
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testimony given at the trial and again this is from the 10 different people's perspectives these
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are the 10 people that say you cannot believe this witness this this Susan Sigler who seems to be at the center of
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of these allegations against both of these men yeah they're saying she's a lying [ __ ] balloon
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that sums it up nicely but I do want to go through this so uh number one what is
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your opinion of Susan Sigler this comes from Ivan Grubbs says quote she won't tell the truth this is all on the stand
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in front of the jury mind you number two what is Mrs sigler's reputation for telling the truth this comes from the
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testimony of James Fitzsimmons quote not too good number three what is Mrs sigler's reputation this
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comes from Earl Conway quote doesn't tell the truth I would not believe her under oath I would not believe her under
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anything she has lied about me she has accused me of being involved in this case with Tina Harmon that if you hear
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that on the stand yeah like this woman that's accusing these other two guys she's also accused me of being involved
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and look the state's not putting together a case against me number four this comes from Andy tambernon
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said quote I don't like her very much never did she lies number five from Mary Canfield quote
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everybody knows her she never tells the truth end quote this is also the same stuff that they're gonna say at her
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eulogy uh no but going back to yesterday again you know I I called these guys uh goat
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turds or something like that when have you ever seen a lineup shot or their mug shot when
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have you ever seen a lineup shot or a mug shot or two individuals that are at trial but they look disheveled
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when when do they not look guilty right right that's never I mean it's just like
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if you look at like uh Damien Eccles and West Memphis Three and it's like I mean
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you can't polish that turd well he looks disheveled and then you put a tie on him
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he looks even more disheveled and so you go oh okay I can see how that individual
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would be guilty well and a lot of that comes from the preliminary or the the arraignment process where you see okay
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this guy was arrested yesterday and now first thing in the morning the next day we bring him in front of the judge to
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explain you have to you have to tell them what you're charging them with why why you are holding them right and what
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they're going to be charged with they look disheveled because they spent the whole night in jail this was their first
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night in jail and they're usually wearing an orange or red jumpsuit and that's why with hidden cuffs right when
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it come comes time for their actual trial all right let's let these guys shave get a haircut let them put on a
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suit if they want to wear a suit because if you marched every person out for their trial looking like that I think
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you get a conviction 99 of the time well and what I'm saying is if you look at these Court hearings these guys are not
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dressed up in Blazers they didn't cut their hair I mean you'll see that from time to time where the defense is going
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hey we got to clean you up and it doesn't seem like they did that in this case but that's also why uh you
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have individuals like Scott Peterson that you know are kind of they seem more put
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together and people see images of that and go well that guy doesn't look like what we think a murderer would look like
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right what a crazy person and and the person would have to be crazy in order to do this horrible crime well and I
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think we should point out in contrast to Scott Peterson someone who went to college played golf all the time I mean
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just those two things start to give you a little perspective of the person or at
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least of what he may appear to look like um these guys mind you this is more than 20 years earlier than than
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Scott Peterson these guys lived in small town Ohio they were Farm hands they so they look like people that you would see
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working on the farm somewhere yeah and their their version of my Sunday's best is not the same as Scott Peterson who
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wants to be on every expensive golf course in in California right now remember this is something that I know
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that our garage friends are good garage listeners they are super intelligent and
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they are very much dialed in so I know they picked up on this at the end of yesterday's episode well they did a
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national poll by the way and uh it's true that true crime garage listeners are the smartest of all True Crime
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podcast listeners right so I know they picked up on this but for the first time listeners I want to make sure that I
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point this out remember Susan Sigler the woman that's not to be believed 10 people testified don't
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believe her she's a liar and liar liar pants on fire she testified that Rucker told her at
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her residence okay at the place where she's living on October 30th that he had killed a little
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girl showed her a picture of the girl and a showed her a necklace that he took off of the victim
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remember Curtis Maynard backed up her testimony well first of all we have the coroner's office who
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conducted the autopsy and according to their findings Tina was still alive at that time right
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their report was that she was killed between 24 and 36 hours before her body was found at 9am on November 2nd
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story makes no sense correct so you it just scientifically does not work now let's add to that Susan sigler's
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landlord testified that Susan did not move into that location where she says Rucker confessed to her
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until the first week or so of November wow so scientifically it doesn't match up and to the location cannot be correct
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because she was not residing there at that time then we have Ruth Courtright who stated that Rucker and Holbrook were
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at her house on the night of October 30th right so they couldn't be there to confess right because they were with
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Ruth Courtright and she went on to say that Tina Harmon was not at my house on October 30th right and they also have
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alibisless remember they have Alibis for around the time that the coroner thinks
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Tina was murdered yeah so we're going to extend that out a little bit it doesn't
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it doesn't in detail cover that exact 24 to 36 hour window but it but it kind of does I'll I'll read to
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you what we have okay so we have Ruth Courtright who says that she that Rucker and Holbrook were at her home on the
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30th not at sigler's home she goes on to say that for the most part Rucker was either at work or at home with her
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from October 1st until November 9th that he went to work during the day he came home and he was home at night right now
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this does not certainly does not account for every minute of every day but what pay what picture this paints is that the
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window of time he would have to abduct murder and rape and dispose of a body and also starting to get very small
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right and he also has to have her put somewhere in between that time period between Thursday and and Monday correct
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and holbrook's sister the other guy who was convicted his sister testified that he was at her wedding on the night of
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the 31st so again the window of time gets smaller for this suspect as well right okay so both of these convictions
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are going to fall apart soon after Holbrook and Rucker were convicted Susan Sigler was convicted
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herself she was convicted of filing a false rape claim looks like the state of Ohio has now learned what was already
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said about Sigler at the trial that this was in fact correct that she is not to be believed she's not credible she lies
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and she is not to be believed well and she was also the only eyewitness and um the trial that I was up for the Long
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Dong murders she's the only eyewitness so they threw that out I know people were wondering how I got off well then
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it was also discovered that she lied on her marriage license this is a this is a
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state document right this is a legal state document uh she claimed that she had only had one
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prior husband who was deceased when actually she had four ex-husbands all of them still alive
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and what what's funny about lying on her marriage license I'm sorry about only so
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her her statement on her marriage licenses she had one prior husband and he's deceased right
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yet at the trial for Rucker two of her ex-husbands testified that she was a liar right
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oh my God this lady is a mess he's such a mess okay so the other witness Curtis Maynard oh my face hurts
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he is the one that we both agreed had the more detailed the more damning testimony against both of these
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individuals yeah he is one of the two witnesses that recanted his testimony yeah he said and he claims that he was
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pressured and threatened by Stark County detectives to point the finger at Rucker
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and Holbrook for Tina's murder Maynard who according to records has an IQ of 71 went on to have his attorney
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file a 48-page report this was a sworn statement stating that deputies threatened to have him jailed unless he
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implicated Rucker and Holbrook Maynard alleged that he was paid ten dollars and promised that a petty theft and a
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pending probation violation in Medina County would be dropped in return for a specific testimony I can't speak
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directly about the 10 bribe I've done worse things for 10 bucks the jail time threat or the alleged favors for favors
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however according to the courts and sworn statements given to County detectives Maynard gave five different
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stories regarding what he witnessed and what was said to him in fact much of these statements would directly
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contradict the other statements so he was Jesse Miss Kelly before Jesse Miss Kelly was Jesse Miss Kelly yeah and then
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listen to this one statement implicated Rucker and Holbrook the two guys that were tried and convicted but it also
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implicated to other people one of which was Susan Sigler and he also went on to say that the
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fourth person who I I will not name because we know it's not this is not a credible account he was named in the
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paper which I felt bad for him but uh it was claimed in this statement which we know not to be true that he was
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involved in in the rape of this little girl as well so what you're seeing here is I mean it's
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really let's put that it's almost like law enforcement thought okay we have maybe they had a
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couple credible eyewitnesses that thought they saw two men that look like these two
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individuals and then we have to build a case around it okay we get this known liar well she's probably not gonna hold
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up but if we could get her friend to say a little bit more because he's not the brightest candle
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we have a case then and like and that's what we we said yesterday you throw out everybody's
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eyewitness testimony doesn't matter you stay with Maynards you can still get a guilty charge so luckily
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Herman Rucker was granted a new trial yeah he was acquitted by a jury on June 16th of 1983.
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and we always know how these things seem to work and this is no this is this of course is a shot at the state of Ohio
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however we've seen this go on in just about every other state it makes no damn sense
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but Ernest Holbrook saw he was looking for a new trial as well but oddly enough his requests were
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repeatedly denied so he remained in prison that's so dumb eventually Hall Brook's conviction was set aside and the
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charges against him were dismissed this was in May of 1984 the following year so
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both Rucker and Holbrook were either in jail or Prison from February 1982 until the time of their release dates one in
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June of 83 and the other in May of May of 84. so Holbrook spent over two years in either jail or prison for a crime he
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was simply accused of but did not commit Curtis Maynard later this is bizarre too
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Curtis Maynard later was convicted of perjury for his false testimony and he spent 13 months in prison yeah
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I have an issue with that because it's almost like law enforcement forced the perjury yeah it looks to me like uh
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so then Ziggler put him up to it and then the the County detectives twisted his arm into saying what they wanted and
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accusations aside what we see here is what we've seen in several other cases that are similar to this he gives five
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different statements why because he gives a statement that is false because he he doesn't know anything about the
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crime he's not a witness to anything in real life right and when it doesn't match up with some of the evidence and
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some of the known facts of the crime the detectives need him to write a new statement right but that's when the
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detectives need to not be goat turds and to do the right thing and step away and
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say hey look this guy's story is not matching we we can't make it fit right and it's sad how how often they don't
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step away they don't do the right thing they're they think they're doing the right thing because they're trying to
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get Justice for this little girl well and then you have to factor in as well we have the
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two witnesses that say I'll clean this up and give a little more detail here but
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the two female witnesses that say that they saw a girl in a vehicle with two men and she appeared to be struggling it
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was a mother and daughter and I don't know which one but one of them recanted their testimony as well but if you want
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to take that a step further you also have to figure out what's going on here when they told when they offered up this
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tip to the police that led them to Rucker and Holbrook through Susan Sigler they simply gave a description of the
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men of the girl in the vehicle they didn't say Holbrook and Rucker did this it was not until after Holbrook and
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Rucker were arrested that they're now able to pick them out of a photo lineup you see because police
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didn't have those photos to put in the lineup until the arrest was made right there's a chance they could have seen
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these guys pictures on in the paper by the time they're they're picking them out of a photo lineup yeah or what we've
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seen from you know a famous documentary Making a murder were they shown those pictures before the lineup by law
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enforcement that's not a left field accusation because we already know that they heard eyewitness testimony that
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didn't make any sense and then kept working with that individual to get their statements to line up with the
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evidence that they did have we went through a lot of stuff here two trials three actually three trials nobody got
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anything right everything was wrong people spent time in jail in prison that didn't need to and then we send this guy
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off to prison for perjury I don't totally agree with that either so we are right back where where we started here
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Captain an unsolved homicide with no suspects [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] whether you're listening at home or
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you're listening at work cheers to everyone and cheers to you Colonel cheers to you captain
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on July 17 1982. Krista Harrison was snatched from a baseball field across the street from her home this is
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going on while all this circus is going on trying to convict these two guys Rucker and Holbrook so Krista Harrison
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is taken from this baseball field this is across the street from her home Captain she was there collecting cans
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with a 12 year old friend his name is Roy Roy later told police that around 5 p.m a dark colored van pulled into the
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park the van had bubble shaped Windows black seats and a roof vent yeah there's bubble shape windows were real popular
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in the 70s yeah this is early 80s so if you look up pictures of Rucker who we've
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already talked about he's wearing like a leisure suit when he goes to court as the captain said this is not like a
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minivan back then this would have been a regular size van a little bit bigger than a minivan but these bubble Windows
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usually they were tinted yeah and they they would bubble out from the sides of the van and they were very popular in
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the late 70s and maybe even early 80s yeah tinted or normally filled with weed smoke but uh if you look at Harrison she
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could be a cousin or a sister of Tina Harmon yes they both are about the same age now according to Roy the driver
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climbed out and approached Krista the man was white and said to have looked to be about 25 to maybe 35 years of age
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he was skinny with a mustache and had dark hair dark brown hair that curled near his shoulders
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Roy said that the man looked Italian the man said something to Krista Roy could not
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hear what was said Krista then went over and sat on some bleachers this would be
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you know facing the baseball diamond the man then sat down next to Krista he's talking to her and apparently he reached
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underneath her blouse then Krista started to cry the man again whispered something to the
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girl Roy again could not hear what was said but at this point Krista walked to the
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man's van opened the driver's side door climbed in the vehicle sat down between the front bucket seats I guess he I
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guess she's sitting on the floor at this point the man then climbed in as well and he leaned out the window and said
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something to the effect of by Roy and then he pulled the van out onto the road and then sped away
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that's the long version of what went down that day at the park there is a shorter version that comes
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from another witness this would be a little girl female Witness who says that she believes that she saw
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a brown or purple colored van matching the same description that Roy gave with the the bubble windows she thought that
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she saw the man grab Krista and drag her into the van I cannot explain to you captain or
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anybody else why we would have two different accounts of what took place that day my guess it might be simply
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vantage point we're talking about a park we could have one witness much further away than Roy
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who seems to have a more detailed story he then runs home and explains what he saw but he's saying that this
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perpetrator said bye Roy yeah he thought that the man said to him by Roy or goodbye Roy which is weird
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because it's not anybody that he recognizes we can tell that by the his given description of the man he's simply
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describing the man if he knew the guy he'd say it was John that did this right he's frightened like visibly shaken when
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police show up to take his report I also wonder if there's a certain level of shock factor involved here for both of
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these Witnesses both of these Witnesses would be 11 12 year old kids this is bizarre because you have this
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situation that is much much different than the Tina Harmon situation Tina Harmon
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she just kind of vanished she kind of disappeared no one said that they saw her screaming or getting pulled into a
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truck or a van or that they saw her leave with any particular person in this situation we have what is clearly an
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abduction and it's known to be an abduction right when it goes down there's no question about it so you have
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a different response that's going to come with this police are on of course high alert they're going to be looking
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for Krista the van and this man so they offer up a description and a composite sketch is
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put in the paper there's actually two of them two composite sketches of you know
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slightly slight variations of the same man but they're going to be looking for this
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man for Krista and for the van also at this same time because it's known it's a known abduction
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police are also thinking that they might receive some kind of Ransom request right of course they're going to do
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their due diligence they're going to monitor the phone lines for the family at their
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home and sadly no Ransom request comes in and now we have an abduction that the hours
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are going by the days start to go by like you said maybe it is a good thing to know from the onset that this is
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abduction so we can take it with a certain level of seriousness but also uh a certain level of there's a time frame
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and the this we need to be searching for and to find evidence uh right away yeah it was not until six days later
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that they're going to find her remains sadly and by this point Captain The Remains
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were in advanced stage of decomposition the body was discovered this was just off of a road that's not well
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traveled this was discovered by I believe a a turtle Trapper somebody was going out to either check their traps or
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set up traps that's one of my hobbies on on Facebook it says interest Turtle Trapper what is bizarre here is it
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there's it's listed in the papers as that her body was found either next to or inside
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of an abandoned garage and I thought I always thought with this case how weird to have it's either
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beside or inside of this abandoned garage now the way that I was able to clean this up
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was I was able to find one source that that stated that the body was actually located inside the abandoned garage
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however it was it was a rather large structure and it had no door because I always found it to be weird that this
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Turtle Trapper guy would just you know quote unquote stumble across a body if it were inside of this structure
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so I believe that what we have here is that he probably spotted something funny spotted something weird and went into
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investigate there's no large garage door on one side of the structure finds the body of Christa Lee Harrison yeah said
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it's an advanced stage of decomposition at this time well I'm possibly you know the smell led him there yeah and I guess
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that there were there was all kinds of like trash and discarded items in the area as
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well now I'm not super familiar with this area this was a as said a scarcely traveled Road in Holmes County Ohio so
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maybe this is an area where people litter or things like this would collect but there were a lot of items that were
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found around her body like always whatever pictures we have of the case we will be posting on Instagram so follow
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us on Instagram at True Crime garage but when you when you take a look at this garage it kind of looks similar to our
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logo obviously it doesn't have a door on it but it's it's very beat up very run down
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yeah and so a better description here is the body was found at about 7 30 pm on a
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Friday in an abandoned Garage on Washington Township Road 464. this is described as a dirt
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residential road that runs its way through corn fields thick portions of woods Turtle ponds and this is in
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Northwestern Holmes County so it makes sense that this Turtle Trapper would be in the area what was weird too here
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Captain was that oh an eyewitness says that they saw a man in this general area around this you know abandoned garage
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who left in a vehicle and this would have been the morning of when her body was discovered her body
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was discovered at 7 30 PM that night it was the vehicle event no it was a car uh vague description it
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was listed as a Caucasian male in his 20s or 30s and he was in a car I the a better description of the of the car I
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could not find what is weird here okay so when they do the autopsy and when they're when
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they're scanning the crime scene the dump site they start to put together a lot of
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stuff real quickly they're able to figure a bunch of things out first of all the autopsy
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it was discovered that they believe the victim was killed relatively quickly after the time that she was abducted
00:37:04
Krista Harrison one issue that they had with the autopsy itself was actually identifying the body it was in such of a
00:37:15
Advanced stage of decomposition that it was difficult to identify the body now horrifically what the parents
00:37:24
in the family had to see in the paper for three days usually when you have these types of
00:37:30
situations a body is discovered and it's within about 24 hours they're saying we've made a positive identification of
00:37:38
the remains here it was for three days that they could not determine if one hundred
00:37:46
percent it was Krista Harrison or not this is by both visual identification but also methods that are
00:37:55
more scientific and we'll get into that but what the parents had to hear for three days
00:38:01
on the radio on TV and in the paper was that at that time all they could say it was a female victim it was believed to
00:38:11
be Christa Harrison and the remains were clothed wearing the same clothing that Krista Harrison was
00:38:19
wearing when she was abducted from the park right and this is listed as a pair of shorts and a white and blue football
00:38:29
jersey like shirt so horrific for the parents for three days they have to hope and pray it's not
00:38:37
our girl right but everything says it is yeah everything's pointing to that it is
00:38:43
her and where we have the delay is because it took some time to get dental records and once they were there with
00:38:53
the victim and then the comparison it just took a little bit of time more so than than usual
00:39:00
regarding the other information that they were easily able to figure out was that the body was in a advanced
00:39:09
state of decomposition because the victim had been wrapped inside of a plastic bag this would be like a large
00:39:19
I'm guessing probably larger than trash can normal trash can size trash bag but after death the body was placed in
00:39:29
this plastic bag and they believed that that must have been stored somewhere hot
00:39:36
for several days because they had information scientific information and I can't point
00:39:43
to exactly what but they believed the victim to have been killed shortly after the abduction
00:39:51
mind you six days go by before the victim is found the body is found they had evidence too that suggested she
00:39:59
was placed there where she was found that same day within 24-hour time period we also have the eyewitness saying I saw
00:40:10
a man leaving that area that morning right so you have further evidence that possibly was placed there that morning
00:40:17
and then found that night at 7 30. so they say that the victim must have been the body must have been in a hot place
00:40:27
stored in a hot location for a period of days inside of that plastic bag they actually believed that it was probably
00:40:34
most likely a the trunk of a vehicle because keep in mind this is this is July right it's going to be hot
00:40:44
and they were able to determine that the remains were inside that plastic bag for
00:40:49
that entire the entirety of that time until whomever disposed of the body drugged the body from the trunk of the a
00:41:00
vehicle you know through the grass and the weeds and in a little brief period of field and then placed it inside of
00:41:07
that abandoned garage they were able to determine this because there were drag marks on the remains
00:41:14
itself there were drag marks on the ground and the plastic bag started to come off
00:41:21
of the remains they also located several other items of interest in the area so of course the
00:41:30
the bag is going to be of interest to investigators but they also found a Budweiser towel
00:41:38
a bloody car seat box okay uh wad of the victim's hair they found gloves a plaid shirt and a pair of
00:41:49
jeans were found in the vicinity of the dump site well and like you said there's
00:41:54
so many items that were around this area I'm guessing there was some kind of forensic work to to be done to to
00:42:02
determine that these were actual pieces of evidence yes yeah to make sure you know you
00:42:09
separate just debris and litter from actual items of value to your investigation
00:42:17
what was really bizarre here Captain was a statement that they the law enforcement put in the papers at the
00:42:23
time they said that the the clothing the shirt and the jeans or the pants that they could not say for certain that
00:42:32
they belonged to the girl's killer but they could say that they belong to the person that that placed the body in
00:42:42
that location right because we we think the descriptions of this individual are the same but obviously he was in a
00:42:49
different vehicle so he could have paid somebody to dispose of the party or or was in
00:42:56
cahoots with somebody yeah so some very interesting stuff here I don't know how they could determine
00:43:03
that the clothing belonged to the person that placed her there but could not say
00:43:07
that it belonged to her actual killer but what you have here Captain is almost it's a complete
00:43:18
dump site where we're now going to try to hide and conceal the remains of the victim
00:43:26
and the perpetrators also like dumping items that were involved in the the crimes itself
00:43:34
clothing this this car seat box a pair of gloves it's almost like the killer this
00:43:43
disposed of the victim and then disposed of any evidence that they had on them everything that that he thought had to
00:43:52
do with the crime I'm gonna get rid of that as well I don't know why a perpetrator wouldn't take the extra time
00:43:58
to place these items elsewhere it seems a little counter intuitive counterproductive to
00:44:06
to the the purpose of concealing the body but maybe they thought that none of these items would be found or that they
00:44:13
wouldn't be found for a good deal a time or maybe this witness the person that says that they thought they saw a man in
00:44:21
a car leaving that area maybe that witness spooked the perpetrator or the person that dumped the body
00:44:28
and they were rushed out of the area right so let's go through some of the things that were found at the scene here
00:44:35
Captain because yeah from the litter bug correct so first we know 100 it's a little questionable about these other
00:44:42
items right but we know for a fact immediately that this bag is part of the investigation it's evidence in this
00:44:53
investigation because they could tell that she was in this bag and then dragged to this spot in the garage so he
00:45:01
used the bag as a way to transport the body yeah and probably an attempt to hide the smell a little bit to and and
00:45:11
also you know evidence will fall off of this body you don't want it falling off in the trunk of your vehicle
00:45:18
and this bag they can confirm that it's related to the crime 100 because it's shown it's found in a state of of where
00:45:28
it's falling apart because she was dragged to this spot so part of the bag is still on the remains when the
00:45:35
body is located now this bag apparently was pretty unique in the sense that it had a certain
00:45:45
pattern and thickness to it that were not common to just your standard trash bag
00:45:53
the bag itself was traced to a uh having been manufactured at a factory in Pioneer Ohio
00:46:03
these types of bags were used for packaging material and packaged for uh car seats and such
00:46:13
what was interesting was they were also able to determine that this type of packaging was only used on black vehicle
00:46:21
seats on black car seats I wonder how they were able to determine that maybe the the manufacturer that
00:46:29
made the car seats only made them in one color black oh there you go use this type of packaging sold them but what's
00:46:36
interesting about that is we have our witness Roy who says Not only was it a dark colored van but I could see the
00:46:45
tops of the seats from my vantage point and the the seats were black in color right
00:46:52
so this is all starting to match up and these seats these vehicle seats were sold through the old Sears company
00:47:03
they were only available for a period of time a short period of time now the the Box we mentioned the Box what
00:47:13
they were able to determine about this piece of cardboard box is that it contained the victim's blood what's in
00:47:20
the box what's in the box so here again immediately we know this is connected to
00:47:25
our crime this is going to be further evidence that type of box was Again part of packaging for these types of
00:47:33
seats right so these are like seat covers correct so they're starting to wonder like
00:47:40
whoever used this material to conceal the body and then dump the body they either were a purchaser of these types
00:47:49
of seats or had access to this these materials at a later date after somebody else purchased the seats right
00:47:58
what they discovered was only about uh 23 24 people in Northern Ohio which is the area of the crimes
00:48:08
had purchased this type of car seat the problem here is when they go to look into this they got
00:48:18
you know about two dozen people to look at none of them own a vehicle that matched
00:48:24
the abductor vehicle description yeah so this is really fascinating to me because
00:48:33
both crimes um that the Harrison crime in the harman crime and the harming crime both crimes were about 15 miles
00:48:46
away and very similar you know a remote Road dumping of the body but not trying to bury the body not trying to
00:48:57
really hide the body that well but what we have is in the one case we have two guys on trial and they were
00:49:05
convicted yeah and so people in this community had to be thinking one it's happening again
00:49:18
or two they got the wrong guys behind bars because this seems like a a Serial murder
00:49:27
yeah you have crimes that are taking place within a time period of less than a year from one another right within 15
00:49:36
miles roughly of the two you know you compare the Abduction of Harrison to the last known sighting of Harman you and
00:49:47
the victimology is the same they're the same age they're girls and there we have the same situation of
00:49:57
one went missing one went up was abducted and there's a period of days before the remains are found but I also
00:50:04
believe if we think that Harman went missing from the truck stop what is the truck
00:50:13
stop a highly highly trafficked area we have people in the area this person that took Carmen has no fear
00:50:25
of being seen what do we have in the Harrison case Not only was this individual that took
00:50:31
Harrison not afraid of being seen he also said bye Roy yeah see you later something to one of the witnesses I mean
00:50:40
this is um a predator that you do not want out on the loose this is this is an individual that is not
00:50:52
afraid of taking his chances to to get a victim so picture this if you're someone in
00:50:59
this area and you're you know smart individual like many of our listeners you're going okay victimology is the
00:51:06
same location's the same within a year of one another similar type crimes these got to be connected however well they
00:51:15
can't be because two guys are on trial for the first one they're both locked up at the time of
00:51:21
when Krista Harrison is abducted from the park right and then you start hearing that two people are going to
00:51:28
recant their testimony they convicted one of the guys and you're going a similar crime
00:51:34
happened while these two were locked up there's something very strange going on here and like I said you could put a
00:51:43
picture of these two girls side by side they could be sisters cousins I mean very similar as far as
00:51:51
victimology shortly after Krista Harrison's body was found a ten thousand dollar reward was
00:51:59
placed for information regarding the abductor remember we have the composite sketch in the newspapers at the time of
00:52:09
the man that police believe abducted Krista Harrison from the park sadly even with this money being offered
00:52:18
up and a composite sketch in the papers they're not getting any leads of use at this time
00:52:25
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