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talk some true crime [Music] when we left off yesterday Captain we were discussing the release of a
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composite sketch that police were putting out in hopes of talking to somebody that they say
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they believe may have been one of the last persons to see Rhonda canuteson alive when the sketch comes out we are
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in a bit of shock because we are not getting a sketch of one individual in fact we end up getting a sketch of Two
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Men and the two men are described both as Caucasian between the ages of 35 to 45 years old medium height with heavy
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builds one man is is described having bushy hair a beard and mustache dark bushy hair a beard and mustache believed
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to be The Driver of a semi-tractor trailer described as a conventional tractor with a white or silver van or
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white or silver box trailer the other man is described the same 35 to 45 years old medium height heavy build but this
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individual is described as having no facial hair and this individual is not tied to any
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description of a vehicle the thing that is strange here is one I want to know where these were coming from what hour
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we get no context with these individuals other than we believe that this person may have been one of the last to see
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Ronda Canen alive and that these individuals were seen inside the billstown store well like we
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said it's the Wei hours of the morning so you're not going to expect to see or expect to have a lot of eyewitnesses and
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when you pull up the Cold Case file on Iowa cold cases.org for Rhonda cans and they have the original a copy of the
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original flyer that's going out to the general public that they were posting in stores and I would guess other
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businesses along the highways because of the trucking aspect or trucker aspect to the
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potential person that they're looking for and they want to be clear like they are saying
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that the persons that you see in the sketches we're not saying that they were seen together they're not saying that
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they were seen separately they're saying that they were witnessed inside the store itself I'll read you
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the exact description that they have the three composits shown are based on observations of witnesses of two
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subjects seen in the store earlier that morning they have also been described as
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being a medium height heavy set white males between 35 and 45 years these two individuals need to be identified so
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they can be interviewed It is believed they may be drivers of tractor trailers earlier described as a conventional
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tractor and white SLS silver van or box trailer all persons who were in The Williamstown store or driving by the
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store and the early morning hours of Labor Day Monday September 7th 1992 are asked to call the Chickasaw County
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Sheriff's office regarding their observations of the area and then it list the telephone number in this
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particular flyer we we technically see as described there three composite sketches so you see the one on the far
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left and it's we don't get any composite sketch of the build of these individuals but it's just the face and
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you see a bushy hair bushy beard mustache dark hair man then in the center composite you get much less hair
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uh maybe a potentially less bushy beard and mustache but looks to be the same guy and then on the far right you get a
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very different looking man different haircut different hairstyle and no facial hair and in fact
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this other man is simply described as no facial hair where with the other guy we
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get dark hair with this guy we don't get any type of brown hair blonde hair and look maybe I've become a little jaded
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here Captain right because just a few weeks ago Aaron and I from the Generation Y podcast we covered a case
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that's out of the Cleveland area that took place just a couple years ago and in that case what happens is it starts
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to go cold and then somebody sends in an anonymous letter saying that the person
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the suspect they are looking for is described as a woman and they go on to describe clothing and the build and the
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general appearance of this individual but then later we learned that that Anonymous letter came from
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somebody who believed that they were dialed into visions of what took place that there that day and so that's made
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me a little jaded when I hear okay these composits are based off of observations of witnesses because the
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way that the news spun that story was based on an eyewitness account this is Who The Who police should be looking for
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and I was hesitant to jump in Full Throttle on that one because law enforcement wasn't saying this is who we
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should be looking for and so in this case we do have saying we do have law enforcement saying this is who we are
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looking for and I think that take my jadedness out of it uh that's my own problem because what I think here and
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what I I believe is the situation here is whoever is giving and providing these descriptions to law
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enforcement they probably believe or know that this individual or these individuals saw them in
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return and they have to protect the identity of the witness yeah which would make sense but what's confusing to me is
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so we have these composits of these two individuals are they seen at the same time in the station or are they seen
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separately exact and that question 31 years later is not clear and I get it hold back
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information and it is necessary but a little more information when you're asking the public for information let's
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give a little more information help me to help you yeah sometimes just answer the freaking question and in their
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defense they may not have a clear understanding either and and we we don't know what law enforcement knows in this
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case and why they have chose to use this strategy as opposed to others well sometimes their strategy is just [ __ ]
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Paws it is but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt knowing that they requested the help from other
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agencies that to me shows a level-headedness about the investigation from the local level especially when you
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have local rumor that deputies may be involved that's the thing that I have a difficult time getting past
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because when we talk about the injuries and the way that the injuries are described to our victim here that she
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was had severe head injuries from having been beaten by a potentially heavy object and then we
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know that the Searchers were instructed to look for a quote piece of iron the way that that that's described to me I
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sit there and I go okay it makes sense that truckers and deputies would be rumored locally to be suspects because
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of the nature of the injuries themselves right you can a tire iron or you know don't truckers use uh clubs to to thump
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the the uh tires from time to time right and we know that they're instructed to look for a quote piece of iron but then
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also you think if you're talking potential Deputy being a suspect Billy night stick it all kinds
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of it those rumors and a lot of times we see this in these cases the rumors while
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they are just that rumors they do tend to make some sense yeah where there's smoke there's fire
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one of the things that always intrigues me about true crime is the press conferences and they have a press
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conference in this case yeah they held a press conference and this would be about
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three weeks not quite four weeks after the murder of Rhonda canson but but they hold this press conference and this is
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for a couple reasons one to address the local rumors which I like when they don't shy away from that and two to
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bring the public up to speed on the current status of the investigation as we said yesterday murders don't happen
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in this County and in fact we're talking about a 30 4year time span where there's
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only three murders and it might be even longer than that but that's the most we could find from
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1967 until late in the 90s so authorities hold this press conference and at this press conference
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one of the status updates of the investigation they say look the investigation is continuing with the
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help of five Agents from the state department of criminal investigation they also say the FBI has
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been called on in this case but is not yet actively involved in fact I don't I've not seen anything to suggest that
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they ever became actively involved chikasaw County Sheriff's Office though is pointing out at this press conference
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this investigation has not yet come to a standstill that we are still quote we are still proceeding full steam ahead
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and saying as of this week and estimated 300 tips have been followed up on and the same number of individuals have been
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interviewed so they've interviewed up to 300 people they're saying as of October
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first some of those interviewed have also been the target of rumors circulating around town and nearby
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counties quote there have been Rumors in the community that have included deputies close personal friends and Over
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The Road Truckers we have followed up on each and every one of them so they're stating the rumors could be it could be
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a deputy that was involved could be somebody that knew Rhonda cansen as a close person personal friend as well
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as truckers going on to address the rumors they say we haven't heard a rumor to date that we hadn't already
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investigated so any of these rumors that are coming out they're saying they were
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previously investigated by us before they they heard the rumors themselves and what the sheriff's department is
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pointing out is unfortunately when they go to talk to somebody to get information May some can
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help out with the cas maybe they drove by maybe they went to the St that night maybe they know Rhonda what they're
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saying is that's having a domino effect where they're just talking to somebody to see what they know not because
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they're a suspect but then the small town is going Sheriff's Office was out talking to soand so he must be a suspect
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in the murder and then that gets spread around town now the sheriff does say look this is not a bad thing it's bad
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that certain individuals are being singled out and certain individuals are being accused on the public level of
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committing a murder that they really had no involvement and in police are not saying that they do nor have any
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suspicion that they do but he does say that rumors are not terrible for our investigation because it
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extends and also helps to maintain interest public interest in the case so on that level they're good back in the
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day law enforcement sometimes would use psychics to get a different perspective it wasn't like these detectives were
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going in and always saying well I believe in the spiritual realm it was just if I give this information maybe
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maybe they'll tip me to a rabbit hole that I could jump down that's why I think the internet is actually so
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important now with these cases I was law enforcement I wouldn't shy away from listening to a
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podcast cover a case because they might say something that leads me down a rabbit hole that leads to an actual
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solid lead right and that works with the the rumors and then back to that Cleveland case that I was talking about
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that's why you didn't see law enforcement referencing any of that information that that the the media was referencing
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because they didn't believe anything that they were being told in that Anonymous letter and psychic information
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here in this case I don't have a lot not a lot of it made its way to uh where where I could find it in any public
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forum and I don't know if that was the result of Psychics coming out of the woodwork which tends to happen in these
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cases or a psychic or two contacting the family or law enforcement they're not really referenced a whole lot when it
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comes to information that we get directly from law enforcement and the Rhonda cansen
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case but I do like that they are addressing these rumors and not shying away from the fact that some of those
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rumors include deputies well you got to think about who's on the road at that time and like we said you have a
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convenience store these Law Enforcement Officers know here's a place that we stop to get coffee we're regulars is it
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possible somebody from another County could have used this as a as a stop as well exactly and to touch further upon
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something that you brought up yesterday You' mentioned 3:00 being the witching hour
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well we had mentioned that we have law enforcement asking the public for their help yet we don't get any time of death
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we don't we don't get it narrowed down the general description of this case is she was working the overnight shift
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which was 9:00 p.m. to 5: a.m. it's a little known fact but if you do enough digging you do come up with a way
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to kind of close that time window a little bit and hone in on a on a a more precise time frame so once they release
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the sketches the composite sketches of the truckers or trucker and person they can't tied to a vehicle that they want
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to speak to saying that we believe this individual was one of the last people to
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see Ronda cansen alive in one of their postings they state that they they referen 300 a.m. and so it's my belief
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based off of that that that uh information making its way from the mouths of law enforcement 3:00
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a.m. to 5:00 a.m. is the time that we're concerned with so you can even close that Gap a
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little bit more by knowing that Roy shows I'm sorry you could even close that Gap a little bit more knowing that
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Ry shows up at five shows up at 4:45 phones it in really it looks like the window we need to be concerned with in
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Rhonda's case is 3:00 am. to 4:45 am whatever happened happened before Ry got there and
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unless unless Ry is saying well I saw this trucker in the parking lot or saw people inside the building when I went
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in which I don't know why you would leave that out when you're telling the story
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to the public it doesn't seem likely so it seems like to me whatever happened happened before 4 4:45 a.m. and the
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killer or whoever was responsible whether it's one of these truckers or both or somebody else entirely was
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completely gone by the time Ray shows up but what you do if you're in law enforcement and you know this we're not
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the New Kids on the Block anymore more my friend we're more like the we're the old [ __ ] bags on the Block
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like like Donnie on Blue Bloods if you're Donnie then then who who am I Joey I probably shouldn't
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mention this but you know this Captain Donnie from Blue Bloods he's now on some show on uh on maybe ID or something but
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he wanted to come on our garage show and talk about uh the the upcoming True Crime show that he's doing and we of
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course W with him the best of luck and I'm sure it's a great show well our response was if you were Jordan would
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let you on if you were Jordan Knight cuz that that boy can sing he's good that Jordan's more of a more of a garage guy
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than Donnie ever was he's good that boy can sing so let's fill in some of the blanks a little bit here right Captain
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so this is this I love this stuff when we get this kind of information this is the stuff that you and I are always
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looking for we geek out about it we we do and we're about to geek out right in front of you right
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here police state that they there was a recorded number of purchases that night during
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Ronda canson shift the register recorded 63 purchases they are saying and I would
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love to know what this number is today because here we sit over 30 years later but they're saying in October of
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1992 that they have identified 32 of those purchases and investigators spoke to the persons that made those purchases
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so they identified 32 of the 63 sales that Rhonda Canen recorded on the register tape the night that she was
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killed and they go on to say we need to know who those people are and what they purchased so we can fill in the blanks
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in time before Ronda Canon's death authorities still have not determined a motive for
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murder and they go on to say that it was determined that robbery was not attempted and there was
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to you my good friend the CR cheers to you Captain so in addressing the rumors and who could be involved in the murder
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of Ronda canuts and the sheriff states that deputies being involved or a deputy having committed this murder was
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something they were not going to shy away from stating that several of the deputies the sheriff's deputies were
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acquaintances with Ronda cansen several of them were even good friends with Ronda saying that his deputies would
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often stop by the store stopped by the store to make a fuel purchase or purchase a snack go in to check on the
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store check on the attendant not just Ronda whoever may be working there that night but as of October 1992 the direct
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statement from the county attorney was quote we haven't ruled out anybody other than the deputies end
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quote Yeah but what they say about lawyers how do you know they're lying their mouths are moving so but but look
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this is what you have to do if you're a detective right you have a victim she has an inner circle she has an Outer
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Circle it's just like the boyfriend is he a suspect is he a person of interest everybody is her family
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members are and we're going to rule them out one by one process of elimination so
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I I I do commend them and I applaud them for not shying away from the fact that they said who's on the road deputies are
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on the road who makes stops here law enforcement maybe it's one of our own and we need to look into that well and
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think about this too one thing you'll notice in all of the quotes that we put together yesterday and today where are
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they coming from they're coming from either the sheriff or the County Attorney so that needs to tell you
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something this chickasa County Sheriff's Office at the time this gives me reason to believe
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that they do not have a homicide a dedicated homicide detective in 1992 I want to expect Chickasaw hehal to have
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one of those right and there might be people out there scratching their heads and going an entire Sheriff's Department
00:28:16
in 1992 you don't believe they had a dedicated homicide detective well they didn't because they didn't have
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homicides right right you have you have burglary robbery uh theft drug narcotics
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you have those detectives when you have those problems when homicide is not a problem and you don't experience them
00:28:36
you often don't dedicate a detective to working those types of cases in particular now you can
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also take that and go wow the inexperience level of this Sheriff's Department to fully thoroughly and
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comprehend and fully comprehend the investig a at in front of them is probably not
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likely but again very early on they called in DCI who's at the state level who's who is working homicide cases all
00:29:12
of the time so they knew enough to call in experts they knew enough to call in persons in an agency that had bigger and
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better resources than they did the other rumor that was going around we talked about the truckers but the other rumor
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was that we could be talking about a serial killer and here is an article from The Courier out of waterl Iowa from
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November 4th 1992 that says officials say canes and death not linked to other murders despite the theories that a
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serial killer may be stalking the Midwest authorities investigating the murder of R canuts and say the person
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they are searching for is probably not responsible for other Regional murders now one in particular that we have to
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talk about is Tammy Joe zwicki now yesterday we reminded everybody that we covered the highway
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serial killers initiative this was something that came to light via the FBI it actually came to
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light kudos to the media because this was something that several really good boots on the ground investigative
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journalists one here in Ohio in particular that brought this information to the FBI saying in several Pittsburgh
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Columbus Indiana and several different cities and states that you have these journalists coming forward and saying we
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think that a lot of these cases are connected and they seem to all involve truck stops highways gas stations and so
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the FBI starts looking at this and they say we have always stated for years that
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the ideal and this is no slight to any of the great truckers out there because we have a lot of people that are driving
00:31:06
for a living that listen to this show and we love you and we thank you and I love the truckers don't stop what you're
00:31:12
doing truckers because if you do this country will shut down very quickly we rely and depend on you but the FBI says
00:31:20
and it's obvious why the an ideal job for someone that is a serial killer would be somebody that travels a lot and
00:31:30
so the first thing that comes to mind would be a highway traveler or a trucker and so you have America's Highway serial
00:31:39
killers that we covered in a four-part series in episodes 591 to 593 on your true crime garage radio dial back in
00:31:48
June of 2022 and in those episodes two of the cases that we specifically highlighted
00:31:55
that of Kristen Alice Schmidt still unsolved homicide in Oregon and Tammy Joe zwiki still unsolved homicide and
00:32:04
this involves three states Illinois Iowa which matches up with Ronda Canon's case
00:32:10
and Missouri and one thing that was awfully haunting when doing some of the research for this week's case for Ronda
00:32:17
Canon's case is it's difficult to look through a newspaper from September of 1992 and not see Ronda Canon's case
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right next to tamy joea Wiki's case and that's because Tammy Joe was a college student in the state of Iowa
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she was driving from Illinois and going back to school and unfortunately her vehicle was found
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abandoned in Illinois she never returns to her College in grenell Iowa and later her
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body's found in Missouri that's why her case kind of spans these three states but her body's not
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found until a couple weeks later she's located and then later ided positively as Tammy joa wikii who was missing and
00:33:15
she's positively ided about a day or two before Ronda kuden is murdered in Iowa and that's why we're seeing these
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two cases almost side by side and oddly I think the other thing that connects them is not just these newspaper
00:33:32
articles and being unfortunately front page headline news at the same time but also that we have a trucker or truckers
00:33:43
described in the composite sketch for Canon's case but it's also believed that maybe a
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trucker was involved in Tammy joea Wiki's case so can we describe the person that is last
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scene with these victims yeah that's one thing that's a little haunting here as well so keep in mind that tamy Joe zwiki
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she's driving back to to college right and she disappears on August 23rd she's seen at mile marker 83 on
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Interstate 80 in Central Illinois she's not terribly far away in fact from the great state of Iowa seene between 3: and
00:34:31
400 p.m. on the 23rd of August according to Witnesses a tractor trailer truck was
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observed right next to Z's Pontiac her vehicle at multiple times during that 3 to 4 p.m. window Witnesses
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described a faded Rusty orange stripe around the center of this tractor trailer truck the semi the semis driver
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was described as a Caucasian male between the age of 35 and 40 who was either at or just over 6 feet tall the
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semi driver according to Witnesses had dark and bushy hair now that is August 23rd not
00:35:18
terribly far away from Ronda Canon's case that takes place September 7th of the same year
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here and in that case and in Canon's case remember we're talking about somebody that's described two men that
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are described as 35 to 45 years of age medium height with heavy builds one thing that's missing from Tammy josa
00:35:40
Wiki's case it's not mentioned the build of the person at all let alone a heavy build but it's also weird that we're
00:35:47
hearing Caucasian male with bushy hair and a beard and a mustache where we get beard and bushy
00:35:54
hair in Tammy joa Wiki's cases well I don't know that they're connected and in fact it appears that as far as the
00:36:03
Public's concerned that they might be two decent suspects in both cases that are not one in the same we
00:36:11
have Lonnie beardbald in Tammy Joe Z Wiki's case who is a person of interest he has passed away I believe and remains
00:36:20
a person of interest one person that has never been excluded as a possibility in
00:36:27
the Ron cansen case is now known serial killer Clark Perry Baldwin he was a long
00:36:35
haul trucker from Iowa but he wasn't arrested until May of 2020 this after forensic genealogy linked his DNA to
00:36:46
several 1990s ERA slangs this is the murders of three different women from Wyoming and Tennessee the de Moes
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register reports that Clark Perry Baldwin age 58 was taken into custody at his waterl Iowa home after investigators
00:37:03
linked his DNA with seen and other materials recovered from the victims two of whom were pregnant at the time
00:37:11
Baldwin worked as an over the road truck driver for most of his career living in Iowa he also lived in
00:37:20
Springfield Missouri for a period of time in 1991 he was charged with raping a 21-year-old hitchhiker at gunpoint
00:37:28
this took place in Texas the woman told police that Baldwin struck her on the head then bound her
00:37:35
hands and mouth and tried to choke her to death he allegedly admitted to the assault but was released pending grand
00:37:41
jury proceedings the Chargers were later dismissed after the state was unable to
00:37:46
locate the victim so they have to drop their charges because they can no longer find the victim to testify against him
00:37:55
and I mean if you look into him he he is a piece of work he's a big guy with the Caucasian he looks exactly
00:38:07
like buy beard the compos except for now when we see him because it's all these years later he's
00:38:15
got gray hair rather than the dark head of hair and the dark beard but yeah I was doing some digging on this guy and
00:38:24
and and some people close to him were so shocked by all this information coming out and other people were like no this
00:38:33
guy was a monster he was very abusive I guess towards his step kids would would beat
00:38:40
them um with a belt to Bear bottom would hold their heads underwater in the in the bathtub to
00:38:51
punish them and then other people said that this guy was the gentle giant yeah I don't know if maybe he aged
00:39:02
out of some of his violence I it's it's difficult to say what we do know though is that he's been
00:39:12
charged with three homicides so and and these homicides while none of them take place in Iowa we can't get past the fact
00:39:19
that they all take place in the same years as Ronda Canon's murder uh and Tammy joa Wiki murder and then on top of
00:39:28
that he's living in Iowa around this time in waterl which we know is not terribly far from where Ronda canson was
00:39:38
killed yeah I'm horrible because every time I hear W what and we're not alone on this
00:39:45
Captain because we know that investigators from multiple states started looking into Baldwin to see if
00:39:51
he was involved in other murders one thing that's incredibly tragic here Beyond The Murders thank God they get
00:39:59
some some kind of Justice at least this guy's locked up now but one thing that's
00:40:05
incredibly tragic is that two of the victims still have not been identified we don't know who two of these victims
00:40:11
were so while we talk about some form of Justice here in these cases the family members the loved ones
00:40:19
of these two individuals that have not been identified they don't know that there's
00:40:23
been any justice they probably don't even know why loved one is is missing it was
00:40:29
noted and reported in multiple from multiple news outlets that Baldwin was looked at after he was arrested for the
00:40:39
Tammy joea Wiki case the Iowa college student case but it was stated that he was ruled
00:40:47
out now I had a little trouble double triple checking this statement and I also couldn't back up why uh the the two
00:40:58
statements that I could find that say he was ruled out they do not State why he was ruled out it could be simply that
00:41:05
they were able to prove that he was nowhere near where she was Abdu abducted from but again with her being missing
00:41:14
for a period of time right she's missing for about 10 days or so s to 10 days it
00:41:23
her timeline gets a little wonky and it's difficult to say if she was killed immediately after she was abducted or
00:41:31
how how much time it passed uh we only know how much time it passed from when they found her body which was in a state
00:41:39
of decomposition and somewhat concealed but there's a part of me that says Nick do not rule out the the very slight all
00:41:51
right this is a very minor possibility that could Ronda kutsin have been told something did I mean did could somebody
00:42:01
have stop a trucker have stopped in that may have been responsible for Z Wiki's case because at the time that Ronda
00:42:09
cansen is killed the description of the person last scene or the trucker scene with Tammy joa Wiki's vehicle broken
00:42:20
down on the side of the road we get a description of that driver of the of the semi Tru and we get a description
00:42:29
of the semi TR itself is I don't think not not having enough information to rule it out that
00:42:37
you can go past the idea again as slight as it may be does somebody pull in matching that truck and she says the
00:42:45
wrong thing and this person attacks her because it goes back to motive for Ronda
00:42:51
Canon's case to me we're told VI law enforcement through the news and through the media that there was no sign of
00:43:02
sexual assault we do not believe that robbery was attempted so why the hell was she
00:43:09
killed there's a motive there for some for for something yeah you're you're absolutely right but it just makes me it
00:43:17
makes me come to the conclusion that they don't have DNA right and I wonder if in Tammy joea Wiki's case if they do
00:43:24
have DNA we know that Baldwin was connected in the other cases by DNA and if they were able to rule him out in
00:43:33
Tammy's case because of that and then in Ronda Canon's case I'm not willing to believe I know they've told us this and
00:43:43
I know they've told us this repeatedly I'm not willing to believe 100% that sexual assault did not take
00:43:49
place just because I I know that we have the statement that she was found fully clothed and that sexual assault did not
00:43:55
occur but remember we covered the Amy blumberg case right and unfortunately she was
00:44:03
killed New Year's Eve in 1999 she was working in a store some guy comes in kills her leaves and the case actually
00:44:13
went cold for a period of time I think it was a couple years I'm going off a memory here pardon me Captain
00:44:20
but at no point did they ever say to the public or through the media that she was sexually
00:44:27
assaulted they just kind of left that out and in fact they went out of their way to say that it's difficult for us to
00:44:33
determine the motive here it wasn't robbery and when that took place it it had the the public reacting going well
00:44:41
maybe this is linked to the I70 killer where the I70 killer comes in with a gun he doesn't rape anybody he doesn't Rob
00:44:49
anybody he doesn't Rob the store he kills and he leaves and then later on we find after
00:44:58
this guy is arrested that yes in fact he did sexually assault the victim could that be hold back information in the
00:45:06
Ronda canson case as well I I again it goes back to I believe in hold back information I also believe
00:45:17
that when you're asking the public for help help me to help you the more that the public knows the more that somebody
00:45:25
might be able to help connect the dots for you and if if we're talking about no sexual assault then we're talking about
00:45:33
a different kind of criminal than if there is sexual assault but like I said some of these serial killers they just
00:45:40
don't have that many personal connections so I mean look at somebody like dmer or Bundy
00:45:47
they're just roaming free nobody knows where they're are where they're at they don't have any place to be
00:45:56
if I went missing for a weekend people would know they'd be call they'd be calling
00:46:03
and searching for me but these guys can go missing for days I mean for all we know this
00:46:13
individual had had stopped at this station multiple times well and it would seem to me like it wouldn't be to again
00:46:21
as you're pointing out this the person responsible could live states away and so that would make this case
00:46:30
incredibly difficult they don't find the murder weapon that makes the case incredibly difficult yeah and again we
00:46:36
don't know if there's DNA makes it but the general correct we don't know if there's DNA we do have a couple things
00:46:44
that are on the record though that are of Interest I believe in this cansen case well hit us with them so one we
00:46:52
have the we have the attorney the county attorney who would ultimately be the one that would
00:47:01
prosecute this case if they were able ever able to bring it to trial who states multiple
00:47:10
times look we are looking for uh forensic evidence accumulated at the crime scene has been reanalyzed
00:47:18
during the past year I'm looking for a date of when this was released I don't have a date of this I believe it's
00:47:23
around the 20year anniversary so 2012 forensic evidence accumulated at the crime scene has been reanalyzed
00:47:36
during the past year Laboratory test of any unknown substances found at the scene including fingerprints have been
00:47:44
in review to see if they can produce leads not formally identified those tests are continuing hundreds of
00:47:52
interviews have also been conducted and then they go on to say I think this is a year later quote particularly
00:48:02
damning sorry then they go on to say I believe this is a year later where he says hope that a quote particularly
00:48:12
damning piece of evidence might still be found that would allow the complex the complexion of this
00:48:21
case the prosecuting attorney goes on to express hope that a quote particularly damning piece of evidence might still be
00:48:29
found that would allow the complexion of this investigation to change for the good end
00:48:37
quote it it's statements like those that make me wonder what did what did they pull from the crime scene there it
00:48:44
sounds like they're still holding on to something that they hope that they can extract some type of information from
00:48:51
some evidence from that will lead them to who is responsible for Ronica newson's murder and not to sound like a
00:48:59
old Captain boot licker here but law enforcement they're asking for help they asked for the FBI's help they asked for
00:49:07
other law enforcement's help and then I think it was seven years case is cold and they're asking
00:49:15
for a special prosecutor to be brought in yeah unfortunately it looks to me Captain like this case could have been
00:49:21
called three or four months into the investigation and you're absolutely right it was right around that seven
00:49:26
years after Ronda canson was killed that the county requested let's bring in a special prosecutor to review
00:49:35
information in Canon's murder investigation this is interesting to me because I can only relate this to the
00:49:43
very few times that we have seen in the cases that we've reviewed that they bring in
00:49:49
they actually bring in a special prosecutor and as the title would tell you they only bring in a special
00:49:58
prosecutor for special circumstances now it's not always clear what those special circumstances are
00:50:06
some of the cases that we've reviewed that when they do bring in a special prosecutor are when either it's believed
00:50:14
that a potential coverup is involved or that a person in Authority or law enforcement may have been involved in
00:50:22
the homicide a case was botched from the beginning by a bad investigation and or a case that is incredibly
00:50:37
complex it's hard for us to sit here all these years later and this far away and
00:50:43
know which one of these factors if any of them was the reason for bringing in a special prosecutor my guess would be the
00:50:52
complexity of the case based off of look I maybe I should remain suspicious but I tend to not see
00:51:04
coverups when immediately local law enforcement are bringing in other agencies that would
00:51:10
seem to just kind of pull the curtain back and expose whatever's going on and here I wonder if the complexity
00:51:21
of this case is what and why they believe the only and best strategy would be to bring in a
00:51:29
special prosecutor one that has an incredibly good success rate for prosecuting murders in the state of Iowa
00:51:40
so the person that they brought in was labeled as one of the most experienced homicide Specialists working in the
00:51:49
Attorney General's office in the state of Iowa and then you say well what are the
00:51:54
complex ities with the case there Nick we have a young woman that's killed at a gas station in the middle of the night
00:52:01
the complexities of the case to me would seem to be the evidence or lack thereof
00:52:06
right they're not able to unless they're holding it back they're not able to tell
00:52:09
us the motive well and the possibility they determined it themselves well and the possibility that the killer could be
00:52:16
from hundreds of miles away it could be a traveler right stranger on Stranger crime the perpetrator does not live in
00:52:25
the jurisdiction or even in the state and then on top of that the lack of evidence we are big Believers in
00:52:32
transfer Theory but is this one of those cases where that did not occur or they were not able to
00:52:39
identify any items that are missing from the scene or any items that were left at
00:52:44
the scene by the killer we know that they searched the area two mile radius they were hoping you know Captain they
00:52:51
were hoping and they were praying and this was good work by them they were walking and looking searching the ground
00:52:58
hoping that this killer or The Killers toss something out the window while they were fleeing the the crime scene hoping
00:53:05
that maybe they threw the murder weapon out out and that maybe somehow that this
00:53:10
thing would have identifiers on it that could lead us to someone or to a trucking company
00:53:17
or in some way make it breadcrumbs to the Killer and it's shocking to me that I haven't heard of this case before it's
00:53:26
shocking to me that this case hasn't been covered and hopefully we do some good by
00:53:32
shining some light on this case the crime remains unsolved and the chickasa County Sheriff's Office continues to ask
00:53:40
for assistance for any information related to this murder anyone with information is asked to call the chiasa
00:53:48
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