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unknown intruder [Applause] [Music] Andre Ramsay [Music] [Music] [Music] it's been over 20 years since JonBenet
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Ramsey was murdered inside her home and still to this day we are looking for the killer we are looking for who did
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this now the experts who have looked at this case over the years there are some that
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point toward the intruder theory as it has become known proponents of the intruder theory include a and E who did
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their documentary on the Jon Benet case as well as famous retired FBI agent John
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Douglas and retired law enforcement officer Lew Schmitt John Douglas believes that there was an intruder and
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that the motive for the killing was something against John Ramsey somebody had an axe to grind against John Ramsey
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maybe this was revenge had it out for John and Patsy we don't know but that's part of his theory
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Lew Schmitt on the other hand believes in the intruder theory as well with a slight variation he believes that
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we are looking for somebody that was sexually motivated that this was a pedophile
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that broke into the home with the sole purpose of sexually assaulting this young girl attempting to kidnap her but
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unsuccessfully now we've put together a list of potential suspects in this case so let's get into some of these suspects
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and some of the interesting weirdos in this case and I'd like to start off with a man named JT Koufax aka
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James Michael Thompson he was 34 years old back in 1997 when he was arrested in June this for deciding to set fire to
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the Ramsey's unoccupied home on 15th Street he did this as he says not because he
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had anything against the Ramseys but because he wanted to get back at the authorities he attempted to set fire to
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the home by lighting newspapers and pages from Anne Rice's famous book interview with a vampire he lights these
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things on fire and then he's stuffing them through the mail slot at the Ramseys home his plan failed due to the
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general construction of the home the floor from my understanding is marble and so the burning pages once stuffed
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through the slot land on the marble floor and lay there until burning out this did however manage to leave a good
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amount of soot on the walls and the ceiling okay so if JT Colfax aka James Michael Thompson didn't do this because
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he had it out for the Ramseys well what was his beef with the authorities Colfax
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was employed as a cadaver transporter by a denver company this occupation and Koufax's actions will lead to two other
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arrests one for when he had a call to go to the Boulder County morgue for a pickup while he was waiting around he
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noticed the logbook and the entry with JonBenet's name on it he tore the sheet out of the logbook and took some
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additional pages as well this would lead to a theft charge for stealing pages from a coroner's logbook showing the
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arrival of JonBenet's body at the county morgue his other arrest came when he attempted
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to walk out of a photo processing store without paying for the rolls of photos he picked up the photos turned out to be
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pictures of corpses with party favors and signs attached to the bodies with phrases such as getting fired isn't the
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end of the world or yeehaw and happy birthday he called the photos works of art he served time for all of these
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charges this is somebody that's very strange with some very strange actions and behaviors that seem to be circling
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around this case I don't believe that he has ever been officially named a suspect
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captain next we have Gary Olivia he's 32 year old sex offender living in Boulder
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Colorado when Jon Benet was killed mm-hmm the convicted pedophile had been living in the area on and off and mm
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Gary was arrested for a drug charge when searching the man police find a magazine
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cutout of Jon Benet Ramsey in his backpack according to Rolling Stone magazine the Ramseys private
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investigator Ollie gray once referred to Olivia's ties to Jon Benet as a quote bombshell arrest in the case
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and lambasted the Boulder PD for failing to consider him a more credible suspect
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soon after Olivia's high school friend Michael Vale stepped forward with an allegation supporting Gray's suspicion
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Vale claimed that not long after the murder a distraught Olivia called him on the phone and confessed to his longtime
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pal that he quote hurt a little girl I thought he actually caught him on the 26 Vail makes some strong claims about
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Olivia and I'm not going to go into all of them but they are well they're disturbing to say the least
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Vale also said that in his opinion the knots for the garage that strangled Jon Benet were similar to those used in an
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incident where Olivia attempted to choke his mother to death with a telephone cord and when Gary Olivia
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was arrested they also found in his possession a stun gun several experts on this case have said after viewing photos
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of JonBenet's body that the attacker may have used a stun gun to subdue and control the child
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olivia has arrests for possessing child pornography as well Olivia by his own admission lived about eight blocks away
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from the Ramseys and was seen and photographed at the one year memorial vigil held for Jon Benet in front of the
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Ramseys Boulder home day he's not hard to pick out because he looks like the creep he looks like a
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guy that when you close your eyes and go okay what what kind of guy do I picture
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that's been convicted of these types of charges you go oh and you open up your eyes and you see his picture you go yeah
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that that makes sense yeah he's he's a creepy but also scary-looking man in my opinion yeah he's not a guy that some of
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these PTO's you go hey leave me in a room with that guy I'll take care of them this guy you might not want to be
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locked in a room with him well and I didn't go into all of Bale's allegations against what type of person
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and what this dude is capable of right because it's very disturbing and in some shocking things to hear but what I can
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say is this is an individual that if veil is correct that if his allegations are in fact true then this man is very
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violent and very violent towards those weaker than him towards people that are in animals that are just kind of
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defenseless wasn't there rumors that he had a shrine to JonBenet I saw those rumors as well the only thing that I
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could back up was the statement that there was a picture on his person at the time of his arrest of JonBenet they had
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been cut out of a magazine I couldn't verify this elsewhere but according to Rolling Stone magazine they
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say he's been cleared by DNA testing for the JonBenet murder yes this famous DNA
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right next up captain we have a man named michael helguth they call him boot man or simply boots
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he's another potential suspect this according to ollie gray remember the Ramsay's private investigator Michael
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helguth who worked in a nearby auto salvage yard he was apparently in some kind of property dispute with the
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Ramseys now this could be one of many motivating factors for this when the then 26 year old man went to seek
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revenge against John Ramsey in 1997 the boulder district attorney delivered a speech at a press conference
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complete with the promise of justice for JonBenet and that this case will be solved he pointed out that they have
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suspects and as law enforcement continues to work their investigation that list of suspects will shrink until
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there is just one left you speaking to the killer this was a powerful announcement scripted with carefully
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chosen words letting the killer know that the bolder DA was zeroing in on a new suspect helguth according to his
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coworker at the time of the murder this is John Kennedy he says helguth exhibited a bevy of disturbing behaviors
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sparing everyone the details he was known for what I call severe cruelty to animals he once said to Kennedy I wonder
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what it would be like to crack a skull now anybody that's listened to our Jon Benet autopsy episode knows exactly what
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we are hinting at here in November of 1996 he told his co-worker that he and an associate were going to make fifty to
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sixty thousand dollars each remember the ransom note was for one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars
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total then after Christmas helguth seemed depressed and his coworker says he thinks he was depressed because he
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did not make this large amount of money that he was talking about November yeah cuz on the side he would buy old
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vehicles and restore them so they had these plans to buy certain vehicles and now he didn't have the money them the
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money didn't come in that he was claiming he was gonna get so if he stood to make fifty or sixty thousand dollars
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from some kind of unknown business adventure then right but he said yeah we buy up all these cars and turn it into
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even more money is what you're saying great oddly enough and this could just be a coincidence
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it could be something incredibly important but the day after the DEA speech this says we are zeroing in on a
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suspect Pell goth he turns up dead after his death police search his things and photos of his so let's just go back
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because most people believe it was a suicide but because of certain pieces of evidence it could lead somebody to
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believe that it was possibly murder and set up to look like a suicide correct when they're searching his items
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they're searching photos of his police saw to things of particular interest one a stun gun and two a pair of black
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high-tech brand boots this is believed that they would have matched or possibly matched one of two sets of unidentified
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foot prints found in the Ramseys basement even more disturbing with in Helga's video collection was a news
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station story about an unsolved murder seemingly hidden in the middle of a movie
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law enforcement stated that the video plays along and then boom in the middle of this movie it breaks to like news
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coverage it all sudden has news coverage on there from channel 4 regarding the abduction and murder of a five-year-old
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girl who was found stuffed into a sleeping bag in Deer Creek Canyon this case is from 1993 now as you were
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getting to hear captain this is the time for the speculation and something that many people have offered their opinions
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on over the years the belief is officials found an unidentified boot print and an unidentified shoe print at
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the crime scene and helguth owned boots that would match that print helguth caught wind that he was a suspect and
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decided to take his own life committing suicide just a day after the 1997 press conference the famous press
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conference where district attorney Alex hunter says I want to say something to the person or persons that committed
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this crime the person or persons that took this baby from us I mentioned the list of suspects narrows and soon there
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will only be one left on the list and it will be you you have stripped us of any
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mercy we may have had in the beginning of this case we you will see that justice is served in
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this case and that you pay for what you did many people believe that the District Attorney was hinting at the
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idea of seeking the death penalty for whoever is responsible for this murder and this could scare the offender even
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more so the thought and speculation here captain his death his suicide being a further sign of guilt that he was close
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or felt that he was close to being apprehended so what if helguth was a suspect and what if he did as many
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believe some people suggest that he could have had an accomplice well if so then many point toward John
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Stephen Gygax being the accomplice John a man with a criminal record that court documents summarized as violence and a
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history of sexual assault what makes this theory even more complicated is the suggestion helguth
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did not commit suicide but was killed by someone maybe Gygax this to prevent helguth from confessing during the
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interrogation or from turning himself in and then singing like a bird and turning
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in his accomplice as well well I think of the crime scene they found the gun in his sub-dominant hand not his dominant
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hand yes so he shot himself and he shot himself in the chest or somebody shot him in the chest and placed the gun in
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his hand it's also a weird place to shoot yourself if you're trying to kill yourself
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correct now Gygax in his defense and by all accounts that I could find captain of his own free will
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he was the one that reached out and contacted Boulder authorities and he says he provided them with documentation
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that proves he was not in Boulder Colorado on December 25th 1996 right Billis think about this first
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saying he's running around saying that he's gonna get some money coming to some money possibly fifty to sixty thousand
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that would put us at the 1/18 mark that's in the ransom note mm-hmm so he's not getting this money from his partner
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it doesn't seem like maybe they're being hired by somebody out so maybe possibly the person that was
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gonna hire them since it was about botched job and was afraid that maybe they would go to authorities that they
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got rid of him and then the partner that was involved contacts the police because
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he's afraid that the same thing that happened to how goth is gonna happen to him yeah the the problem with hel goth
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is there's so much speculation around him regarding I mean everything about the guy one is he even connected to did
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he ever think he was a suspect but three did he commit suicide four I mean people
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commit suicide for a million different reasons or was he murdered by somebody to cover it could have covered anything
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up well one of the reasons why he is a pretty big suspect in a lot of people's eyes when they're looking at this case
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is because seeing is believing it's good to be seen and it's good to see you and
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when you see the pictures from either the suicide scene or a murder scene you see the stun gun you see the boots that
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possibly match the prints found in the Ramseys home so I think just by seeing it you go oh well there it is it's right
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in front of us possibly I think the problem here with helguth is again the speculation involved and in the leaps
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you have to make to make him a really good suspect one we have no confirmation that a stun gun was used in the attack
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against Jon Benet at all it's just correct that in itself a regulation so but right but what I'm stating is once
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you see at this suicide scene or or this murder scene oh there's a stun gun in the picture
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there there's the high tech boots in the picture I think that's why people have been able to make other leaps because
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they can see something and seeing is believing well what you're seeing there is evidence that you cannot exclude him
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yeah as a suspect you're seeing things that point to possible reasons that would make him a suspect if in fact
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though puzzle pieces fit somewhere we can't confirm that they fit regarding the boots themselves in the unidentified
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boot print or shoe print that was found in the Ramseys basement that's very troubling that we have unidentified shoe
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prints in the Ramseys basement we have people that that fight and argue about was an intruder wasn't an inside job you
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could take those unidentified prints and make an argument for either side of that
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argument you you there were so many people in the basement the people coming in and out be it before the murder or
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after because we have a contaminated crime scene that it could be that the the prints mean nothing but the prints
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could also point toward a possible intruder the the trouble again with helguth is just one more factoid in
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there is that we don't have a confirmed size for this boot print there's no there's nobody out there that has said
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they were absolutely this size in fact it has been ruled that they could not determine the size the exact size of the
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boot print so would in fact those boots even match up with that print and again with this famous DNA I believe they've
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asked the family of how goth to cooperate and and let them try to get some DNA to test and I believe they have
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said no I'm glad you threw that in there because this is one thing that we've run
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into with this case it's been reported so many times over the more than 20 years now and reported so many different
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ways by so many different sources it's tough to keep things straight sometimes and one thing that I found extremely
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troubling in regards to Michael Hale goth is several sources in print say he's been cleared by DNA and I I throw
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that back at the wall to see if it sticks and I don't know that it sticks because I wonder if if truly if the jury
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is out if still out on this one because not every source that he has been cleared well those act
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in fact as you pointed out I have some sources that say they they're seeking DNA they are seeking more evidence on
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this particular suspect yeah it's very interesting like I was telling you that Lu Smith's family has taken the list of
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suspects that he basically was narrowing down his search and they've been asking
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those individuals to submit DNA a lot of them have and based off that DNA they've
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been able to clear that individual or base off more investigative work they've been able to clear that individual so
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it's interesting that his family decided to keep going with his work and believing in this work even though they
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don't come from a law enforcement background and in that documentary I was watching about the family going after
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new suspects that's what it stated that they have already asked for the DNA and I've been denied it by the family so but
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again a lot of these documentaries put in whatever evidence they want to go with their narrative
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Ramsey home that may have killed JonBenet Ramsey and if we're talking intruders well we would be remiss to not
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talk about possible Santa Claus coming down the chimney into the Ramsey home and killing this young innocent girl we
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are referencing of course built McReynolds who is now deceased he was a friend of the Ramseys who dressed up
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like Santa Claus to entertain the neighborhood children this at several of Patsy's famous Christmas gatherings he
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went as far to introduce himself as Santa bill and liked when people called him Santa bill if you think he makes a
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good suspect and if you like the Santa Claus Theory the theory may go something like this this is from rolling stone
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McReynolds was rumored to have paid a little too much attention to Jon Benet going so far as to arrange a secret
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visit from Santa Claus this after Christmas now this is complete speculation we know that Jon Benet
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referenced a secret visit from Santa Claus after Christmas right we don't know that if that means it was Bill
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McReynolds Santa bill that set this up supposedly he wanted Jon Benet to be his quote special friend going so far as to
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bring a vial of glitter gifted to him by the six-year-old with him into heart surgery even
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stranger he asked his wife to mix the gold glitter in with his ashes if he were to die this particular story
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generated buzz in the Denver Post but failed to amount to anything more than what many have called the
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sensationalized character assassination of a friendly old man that's what they say but I say
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let's look at this a little more closely because I think some people will see more than just a sensationalized
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character assassination bill McReynolds is a retired Colorado University journalism professor he retired in 1992
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he was about 66 years old when Jon Benet was killed he grew his beard long so a natural long white beard this was when
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he signed up to play a role in a local play then later he was hired by Maryland House to play Santa at the mall
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he played Santa for the Ramseys in 1994 95 and 96 at their parties he had bypass
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surgery on August 23rd 1996 he and his wife Janet were invited by the Rameses to attend JonBenet's memorial service
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some publications state the job at a gave McReynolds a tour of the ramsey home in 1995 some publications say 1996
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either way what seems to be clear here apparently this did happen the only thing in question is which year yeah and
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I would argue that it's possible that it happened both years hey saying let me show you the house again one report I
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found captain says that Jon Benet called Bill old Sam now another story that would have the year in question is Jon
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Benet gave him a vial of glitter that she said was Stardust he would later say in all of the years he played Santa and
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for all the kids that he saw throughout that time she was the only one to give him a gift again some publications say
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she gave him the Stardust in 95 some say 90 six one publication which I think could
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in fact have it correct says this happened on two occasions once in 95 and again in 96 it would have happened had
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to have happened in 95 for the story about his heart surgery to be correct his alibi for the night in question was
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he was sleeping he went to bed at 10:00 p.m. now captain I think he and his wife
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were at their mountain home like a weekend vacation home this would have been about 30 miles away this alibi was
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investigated by many the alibi includes more than just his wife at least five other people would have been present
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that night here's where things get strange the McReynolds their nine-year-old daughter was kidnapped on
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the day after Christmas December 26th 1974 mm-hmm 22 years before quick with the math then we also have Janet
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McReynolds his wife she wrote a play called hey rube the play is a fictional account of the basement murder of 16
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year old Sylvia likens in Indianapolis Indiana well hold on a second so the daughter is kidnapped with her friend
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and I believe the friend was actually molested and the daughter witnessed that but the daughter herself was not
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molested and both were let go yes and this was never solved and then two years later his wife will write this play
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that's based off a different crime correct and people point toward the basement murder of a young girl as being
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a connection here right was the motivation for writing the play are these two factors are they coincidence
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or just too much to be a coincidence I would actually cross the second one out this Janet writing the play about
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the murdered teen who was killed in a basement and I state that because of that case it's a real-life case and it's
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extremely famous case at least two ball are written about the case and then later in 2007 the film an American crime
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was released this is a very good movie disturbing and haunting that is about the life and murder of sylvia likens we
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should point out too that other than being a child Sylvia was 16 and being killed in a basement the murders could
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not be more different mm-hmm Sylvia's case was quickly solved she was not killed in her basement she was staying
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or living with a caregiver who turned out to be a sadistic old and evil woman and she and her children along with some
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of their friends killed Sylvia shortly after the memorial service for Jon Benet bill and Janet went to Spain so this
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made them very difficult to interview for police this was a long trip the McReynolds say they were not hiding
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from anyone they didn't run away to Spain in fact the Spain trip was a coincidence they had they proved that
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the trip was planned and booked well in advance this being in June of 1996 John Ramsey suggested that maybe bill
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McReynolds dressed as Santa fed jump in a pineapple the night that she was killed and that he sat next to her while
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she ate and he drank a cup of tea mm-hmm we point to this because we know from some of the crime-scene photographs that
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they photographed a bowl of what appears to be pineapple on the table and nearby
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you have what appears to be a cup of tea yeah got a little the little tea bag down in the cup yeah and we don't have
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fingerprints on the bowl we don't have JonBenet Ramsey's fingerprints on the bowl but we do have a pineapple like
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substance that was found in her stomach so we know at some point of that evening
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she ate pineapple and then the parents claimed they never fed her pineapple before she went to bed and apparently
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bill was known to drink hot tea well I actually believe it's could be a little bit easier than that because if we have
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a six-year-old girl that I believe is on the 23rd or 24th I'm not really for sure but when she
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gets in the argument with her friend's mom and says Santa Claus is gonna visit me of course he's gonna visit you he
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visits every kid on Christmas know good ones yeah no no she says after Christmas a special
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visit to me this is the theme in the case that has always been so odd and so is it possible that she fell asleep on
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the ride home from all the parties she's a little 6 year old girl she's tired she
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falls asleep and then she wakes up and she goes oh tonight Santa Claus is gonna come visit me and so she went downstairs
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on her own fed herself pineapple waiting for this visit from Santa Claus I agree
00:35:16
with you 100% I mean the this is one of the more odd details within this story it's one of the very few items within
00:35:23
this story that's almost foreshadowing that something very bad is about to happen
00:35:29
it just doesn't it's something that the in hindsight makes sense that it that it
00:35:34
lines up and it's it's eerie it truly is it I put this in the same category as the the phantom 911 came from their
00:35:44
Christmas party right now bill was not without his own secrets he regularly visited adult bookstores this
00:35:53
unbeknownst to his wife John Ramsey suggested the SBT C and the ransom note ransom letter as I would call it could
00:36:03
actually be SB JC which he said could stand for Santa Bill Janet Claus but hold on a second - Janet his wife is a
00:36:16
movie critic that that's one of the things she writes for the paper so it doesn't have to be Santa bill Janet
00:36:24
Claus it could still be SB TC and some people think that means Santa bill the critic
00:36:31
interesting I like trying to figure out what s BTC or maybe it is s BJC which I agree with you you when you look at it
00:36:40
on the paper it's possible that it could be the intention was to write a J not a
00:36:45
T I think is fascinating to try to figure out what that could stand for however I think none of them that I have
00:36:54
heard none none that anyone has pointed out have have I gone ooh that's interesting
00:37:01
every one of them seemed to be a leap like just a weird connecting words that I don't think should be connected yeah
00:37:09
but I mean look at the BTK strangler BTK what the heck does that mean we'd have no clue what that meant until
00:37:19
we have the actual killer coming out and stating this is what that means right when the McReynolds returned to Boulder
00:37:28
from Spain they cooperated with the police in the way of submitting fingerprints blood hair and handwriting
00:37:35
samples later Boulder da Mary Lacey says that she had McReynolds as her prime suspect for a time his handwriting is
00:37:47
listed as questionable but his DNA is not a match according to a candy rose.com which has a large database on
00:37:55
this case no but there's also some speculation that his DNA was never collected so again it's one of those
00:38:02
details in this case that you can't find the correct answer one article does state that the handwriting sample quote
00:38:11
eliminated bill McReynolds again as you just pointed out there are many details within this story that are argued
00:38:19
different ways now we do know that the Ramseys by their own admission hired a private investigator
00:38:26
I'm sorry private investigators to watch bills house for some time so the Ramseys
00:38:32
obviously not only just John's statements but also the actions of the Ramseys paying people to watch bill in
00:38:41
his home for a period of time next captain we have sand as son Jesse McReynolds he was
00:38:49
interesting to police because of his police record he served two and a half years in an Arizona prison for
00:38:57
aggravated robbery and kidnapping and he has an unverifiable alibi for the night
00:39:03
in question Jesse lives in Nederland Colorado this is about a 30 minute drive to Boulder
00:39:13
Jesse says he was home alone that night drinking scotch and then he took some of
00:39:18
his prescription medication and he went to bed that night scotch scotch scotch scotch I love scotch home alone that
00:39:27
night he has provided police with fingerprints blood and handwriting samples Steve Thomas a detective that
00:39:36
we've referenced many times who worked the case right says that the handwriting sample eliminated Jesse McReynolds
00:39:42
that's in his opinion or provided to him by the experts hired by the DA mm-hmm let's stay on Sanibel for a little bit
00:39:52
because this kidnapping 22 years on the same day hmm it just seems very fishy and it also seems very fishy to me
00:40:04
that his daughter and her friend were taken we now have a sexual assault on a minor but not to his daughter and I
00:40:17
would think that in this case that's not solved the parents would be suspects just like they would be in the Ramsey
00:40:26
case so I like that as a key piece of evidence the other thing too is I can't get over the fact that a six-year-old is
00:40:36
saying that Santa Claus is going to visit her after Christmas that same six year old is found in our basement dead
00:40:43
and that she has a relationship probably too close of a relationship with a man that is a family friend a place Santa
00:40:52
Claus then when you got this odd ransom note seems like we have a lot of movie references
00:40:59
well who's gonna watch a lot of movies a movie critic who's gonna probably watch
00:41:06
those movies with his critic wife the husband Santa bill the other thing that I find
00:41:13
odd is that Santa bill would carry around these stuffed animals with him there were like his helpers and most of
00:41:20
the time they were dressed in Christmassy outfits and there was a bear that was found on JonBenet Ramsey's bed
00:41:27
you can see it in the crime-scene photos now supposedly this bear has gone missing since and the I looked for days
00:41:36
because I thought this was as important as JonBenet saying that she's going to be visited by Santa Claus after
00:41:45
Christmas now one source that I found said that this bear was actually bought for
00:41:52
remember how she won Miss Christmas yeah they said that a lot of the people participating got these Santa Claus
00:42:02
bears but these bears look very similar to the Bears that sing um saying a bill would carry around and they even asked
00:42:11
his son about them hey you see this bear doesn't this look kind of like what your
00:42:17
dad carries around he's like that looks pretty much identical to something he would carry around so I find that odd
00:42:25
what another thing about Santa bill is when you're asleep and yes you're 30 miles away so you have to get in your
00:42:35
car that's a long drive if everybody else is asleep as long as you get back before they wake up you're good to go so
00:42:44
I don't really count that as a solid alibi I question the alibi as well I mean there's no saves his wife but yeah
00:42:53
and I wanted to point out that it was investigated by many and that includes you know Boulder detectives it includes
00:43:00
journalists it includes the private investigators I mean it's a lot of different people coming from a lot of
00:43:08
different angles that did investigate that alibi the problem is I don't know what
00:43:14
investigated that alibi means that's the only statement given I don't have we don't have confirmation that says all
00:43:23
these 18 different people or these different agencies all can confirm without question that these five to
00:43:31
seven people can account for Bill's whereabouts for the night of Christmas now May says it was investigated but I
00:43:39
have to believe that they buy that statement that they believe it to be true but I wanted a little more than
00:43:47
than just that and then regarding his the the kidnapping of his daughter and her friend twenty two years to the day
00:43:58
right again it's another situation one because it's 1974 there's very little information about that particular crime
00:44:06
other than its unsolved so I don't know if they had reason to believe that they knew who did it or if they had a really
00:44:14
good suspect in that case and likely there's a chance that if the other girl was the one that was molested she of may
00:44:23
may have been in fact the target it's it's but the thing that you can't get over and if anybody tells me that they
00:44:31
can get a get over it let's sit down and have a beer because twenty two years to
00:44:37
the day there's 365 days in a year and it happens on the same date that's just friggin weird to me it's a it sounds
00:44:46
like something that you would see in a movie or or a fictionalized version of of some kind of crime right and but to
00:44:57
call this Santa bill a pedophile I don't think we have any no you're right you have no evidence of that that would be
00:45:04
way out of bounds right but it's also but he's creepy to me man he's creepy but on top about right but on top of
00:45:13
that we know with pedophiles that put themselves in situations to be around children which he is doing and the fact
00:45:20
that he also would be going to adult store video stores to me I don't have a problem with that my issue is the fact
00:45:32
that your wife didn't know about it that becomes creepy to me the thing that's that's odd about that to me is that he
00:45:42
like he doesn't try to hide this from the police mm-hmm I think they found out on their own and they present it to him
00:45:49
and he he was embarrassed but they there they say his reaction wasn't that of somebody that's guilty of anything more
00:45:56
than that particular action they believed he was just embarrassed one for for other people knowing this and his
00:46:05
statement to them now mind you this has not been released to the public as far as the details go but his generalised
00:46:14
statement to the detectives was that he has some type of fantasy that that he's not his wife is unaware of that it's
00:46:23
something that he's he's been into for a long time like kids what's that I'm just
00:46:30
gonna say like kids go ahead well I don't know what that would what the fantasy is my guess is that the
00:46:38
detectives do huh being misused alt they don't sell things that involve children I mean so we know
00:46:51
that but I also have to wonder is his fantasy something that that the detectives did not find to be relevant
00:46:59
to the case yeah I mean because wouldn't you'd have some homosexual tendencies er
00:47:05
or fantasies and and and then they'd go well that doesn't line up but again where's the evidence of whatever he's
00:47:14
stating and like you said yes they don't sell child pornography yet at adult bookstores but if you're if you're
00:47:25
making claims to throw them off the scent in any way how's this backed up and then we have this situation again
00:47:32
where if JonBenet Ramsey eat pineapple with the intrude that the intruder would be somebody that
00:47:42
she would have known and also felt comfortable with and I also think what a great way to show up in your Santa
00:47:50
outfit and therefore even if John or Patsy woke up yeah you're a little odd and yeah take some discussing and they
00:48:04
might never invite you back to their house but you could go well I told her I was gonna visit her so I just I I got a
00:48:12
key and I was just gonna let myself in and leave her a gift and even though they claim that these bears were bought
00:48:19
for this pageant I can't confirm that other than just some simple line on some internet thread and to me it's very odd
00:48:30
that there's this bear that neither one of the parents know about and now it's missing and we have a police department
00:48:39
that I think was so focused on putting this on the parents that they didn't do a good enough job working on these other
00:48:50
suspects I also think with the handwriting samples we don't have any fingerprints or DNA that I know of on
00:48:59
the letters so we can assume that this individual is writing these letters with some kind of glove on well how much does
00:49:09
that glove alter their handwriting and so unless you're giving people a handwriting samples where you're making
00:49:17
them wear a certain type of glove I don't think you're going to get the correct answers there and then they say
00:49:24
and this is the most asinine thing I heard from law enforcement and probably in the whole case well we also ruled out
00:49:32
Santa Bill because he had a heart condition so he physically couldn't do this okay well and I was telling you
00:49:40
about this local detective I sat down and talked with him about the Ramsey case and I was saying yeah this Santa
00:49:48
bill there's a lot of things that line up to make him look like the best respect and even the DEA at some point
00:49:55
said hey is the best suspect or believe that she thought he was the best suspect
00:50:00
for a while and this detective went on to tell me that they had a case where everything was pointing to this
00:50:09
gentleman but he was in very bad health condition and he was actually walking with two canes so the more and more
00:50:17
they're going we think it's this guy but he physically couldn't do it so they brought him in had him take a lie
00:50:27
detector he fails and then he emits to the whole crime gives a full confession and then they have to figure you know
00:50:36
well how were you able to do this it was a sexually motivated crime and the adrenaline gave this guy the strength to
00:50:47
do it the one was more than where this desire was more than the the pain you know the or the physical limitations and
00:51:00
see I would also argue to that you go you write this note this this ransom note I also think that it the ransom
00:51:10
note proves that somebody had some idea about writing they put too many commas in there for some simple criminal so you
00:51:22
have this girl down in the basement and like I said to you I don't know see what
00:51:27
the grah that is going to determine how hard you can strangle the person not your physical limitations the cry helps
00:51:39
you choke now the gras based on most autopsies or the way people look at the autopsy the choking wasn't to kill her
00:51:48
the choking was for sexual gratification it was a sexual act so that's where I wonder did did say in a bill put
00:52:00
JonBenet Ramsey into that suitcase and then try to get that suitcase out the window or try to move
00:52:10
her at some point and drops her creating the fracture on the skull and then at some point your zone
00:52:20
I can't physically carry her out of here so now I just have to leave so I think the physical limitations can come into
00:52:32
play because you don't have to carry her down to the basement because you're saying a bill and she
00:52:39
feels comfortable and she showed you the basement before you can just say hey can
00:52:44
you show me the basement again and now you're at the crime scene we're guarding I gotta go go through
00:52:51
your stuff here real quick before we move on if I find you in my house in the middle of the night there's no
00:52:58
explanation you're getting a free ride to the county jail and you're gonna get to stay the night there for free as well
00:53:04
but I get well no no you're not you're gonna leave my house in the ambulance if you're if you're at the kitchen table
00:53:13
with my daughter at midnight one o'clock dressed as Santa Claus you're gonna be going to the hospital the other thing
00:53:23
that I I wanna kind of echo here captain is I don't know how well you can trust these handwriting samples to eliminate
00:53:34
someone I'm with you I think it's a very strange that they use that word well we
00:53:39
analyzed so-and-so's handwriting and determined that they did not write the letter and we know that they made Patsy
00:53:47
Ramsey write the note over four times one of John Ramsey's worker partners merriman they had him write it over
00:53:56
seven times so they just take one sample from Bill or or what what you want to do
00:54:04
in those situations as an investigator is you want to collect a handwriting sample that you believe to be something
00:54:13
that this person wrote before you're there asking to write something for you right so and
00:54:19
we know that did happen in the case of John and Patsy Ramsey we know that it did happen in some of the other suspects
00:54:28
or people that were looked at as well but where I'm going with this whole how can we eliminate somebody with a
00:54:34
handwriting sample to just kind of echo your point one there is very strong reason to believe that the author was
00:54:44
wearing gloves at the time that they wrote this letter there's also reason to believe and this
00:54:50
is based off of the experts opinion this is not dumb Nick krispy colonel the notorious n I see
00:54:57
here in the garage or coming up with with a stupid opinion mm-hmm but the experts have stated that they have
00:55:07
reason to believe that it's possibly authored by a right-handed individual that was choosing to write the letter
00:55:13
left-handed they believe this so much that they conducted a study to determine how long it would take a right-handed
00:55:21
person to write this letter left-handed the average time that they came out with
00:55:26
was 35 minutes that's copying the note from a note that you would have brought with you
00:55:33
or in this case for the the purpose of these tests that they were conducting they're looking at the ransom letter and
00:55:39
copying it then with their left hand I want to get too much into the note because as we've already shown you can
00:55:46
get wrapped up in a two-hour conversation about the note it's let's talk about it again I just want to point
00:55:51
out that I think that it's very difficult and I think it's actually irresponsible to say that you're going
00:55:58
to eliminate people based off of handwriting sample and to your point as well captain especially if you have
00:56:06
somebody that you've only collected one sample from them yeah the other thing I want to point out is that I was reading
00:56:14
a lot of speculation and came from multiple internet sources that after the murder
00:56:21
Santa Bill would talk about that he also had a remember how John Binet was his special friend that he didn't have too
00:56:29
many special but he had a special friend earlier and I've I have looked everywhere for this I
00:56:38
have found names but I can't find any proof of this at all other than he was saying that he had another special
00:56:49
friend that was actually murdered I think five years before and was a seven year old boy
00:56:55
again I found two different names for that seven-year-old boy but I cannot find any proof that this boy existed or
00:57:05
was murdered or anything I shied away from that on purpose because some of the information I found suggested that the
00:57:14
child was was sick was terminally ill yeah and passed away from some type of illness which is fine but when you go
00:57:23
round telling a bunch of people that you had another special friend that was murdered that's a little strange
00:57:31
if they weren't murdered well if in fact he said that if the child died of an illness he's not going to be telling
00:57:39
people that again I I do want to point out we don't have any real strong evidence here saying a bill truly does
00:57:45
weird me out the more I look at him the more he weirds me out and I don't just mean I'm not talking about appearance
00:57:51
I'm talking about actions and and things surrounding him and his name as it relates to this case I would love to sit
00:58:01
down for a couple beers or even a couple cup of coffee with the DA that once said
00:58:06
this was my bazooms oddity this was my prime suspect I want to know why this particular DA believed that they could
00:58:16
not eliminate him after so many others say that you could I do I do very much foolish [ __ ] but look when when we know
00:58:26
for a fact that they're releasing information to the media stating that it had to be inside job because there's no
00:58:35
footprints I've seen all these idiots online say well you know there was no footprints and it's as simple as
00:58:44
did you see all the photos of that day and when you find out that not only is there a roadway that goes up to a
00:58:52
driveway that goes to the house that you know has all these sidewalks that have no snow on it why don't you just not
00:59:02
walk through the grass it's it baffles me that they would put out this information knowing that it's false well
00:59:12
there was no footprints in the snow so therefore it had to be inside job but you're not telling the full story it's
00:59:20
not fully covered in snow so it just drives me nuts and then so all these other and look it I'm not saying that
00:59:29
the Ramseys are innocent what I'm saying is that you have to investigate everybody equally and it doesn't seem
00:59:37
like that happen here who are you saying is full of [ __ ] law enforcement and the
00:59:42
police but I was talking about the district attorney I want to know why this district attorney says in publicly
00:59:49
states that at one time this guy was my prime suspect I would love to know what they're basing that off of in comparison
00:59:58
to what law enforcement was basing off that we can eliminate this guy I do even as weird as as as I feel about Santa
01:00:08
bill I do question the likelihood of his involvement and I will I will echo some
01:00:14
of their opinions stating that I I don't believe that he was in the best physical
01:00:19
condition having heart surgery just five months before the murder right I also one thing that that I wonder about too
01:00:26
when we talk about having physical evidence in this case mind you yes the crime scene is contaminated I'm I will
01:00:34
believe nothing other than that statement right there 100% I think everybody involved even the idiots that
01:00:42
are involved say hey but it's a contaminated we're talking about an individual that has a long white beard
01:00:49
that's not we did we didn't have a hundred people walk in that home that night or that next morning that had a
01:00:57
long white beard-chan anybody with a beard to me it's not the hair so much of the beard
01:01:04
meaning look if if you're not carrying her then chances are the hair wouldn't get on her but if there if we believe
01:01:17
that there was a sexual assault that we would believe that that they would find something I think it would be more
01:01:25
likely that they would find some kind of dry skin because the beard will really dry out your skin and so that would find
01:01:33
some kind of dry skin that would link him not so much a hair and then with the hair even if you found a hair you have
01:01:42
the argument that two days beforehand or on the 23rd that this person is in the house this individuals in the house and
01:01:51
that would give you reason to believe that you'd find their DNA or fingerprints anywhere correct but for me
01:01:58
if it was an intruder that killed JonBenet the only way that works is that there was a sexual assault this means
01:02:07
there was a violent and physical struggle that took place at some place some point in that home very likely in
01:02:15
that wine cellar and that's where I would suspect to find more physical evidence of our offender in regards to
01:02:24
Jesse McReynolds we mentioned his kidnapping conviction that that's what kind of put him in front of the police's
01:02:33
eyes and it certainly sounds interesting but I think that we should point out that did that charge that conviction of
01:02:42
kidnapping it sounds much more ominous than it truly was the facts of that case from my understanding captain he held up
01:02:51
a gas station robbed the place of just a little more than a 100 dollars and he used a gun during the commission of that
01:02:58
robbery and he moved the clerk basically from one side of the the building or store to the other side and at the time
01:03:11
in Arizona their law they're saving if you move a person from point A to point B using a
01:03:17
weapon you've technically kidnapped that that individual so where where I go to if
01:03:25
this was an intruder one of the motives may have been actual kidnapping right so
01:03:32
it makes this guy sound interesting however that is not what his his previous charge and conviction was was
01:03:38
for it's a very very different type of crime so while we're on the subject I think that is a good segue to our next
01:03:46
possible suspect or someone who was considered a suspect at some point Gary Merriman and Gary Merriman was access
01:03:54
graphics director of human resources he publicly has stated that he felt that he
01:04:01
was a suspect he previously worked 14 years in criminal justice as a psychologist
01:04:06
including years at the Florida Department of Corrections he's kind of a natural fit I think for at least some
01:04:15
questioning by police of course detectives are going to look into individuals working for or working with
01:04:21
access graphics he is also the man that answered the phone the morning of what was believed at the time to be a
01:04:28
kidnapping when John Ramsey called his work and forming them as to what was going on or what he believed was going
01:04:37
on right I think it's fair for Merriman to say that he considered himself a suspect not because he considers himself
01:04:47
to be guilty of anything or look suspicious he's sedating that the the actions of the detectives indicated to
01:04:53
him that he must be considered a suspect well I think they had him give over seven handwriting samples he was
01:05:02
questioned multiple times he gave as you stated at least seven handwriting samples he also provided police with his
01:05:09
fingerprints he gave blood and he gave hair as well I can't find any documentation to state that the any of
01:05:19
this evidence would be a match to evidence collected at the scene there have been many reports that state
01:05:26
that regarding the handwriting analysis that Merryman could not be ruled out as a possible author of the ransom letter
01:05:36
yeah I've actually seen that he was on the higher spectrum as far as a match goes higher than even Patsy Ramsey was
01:05:44
and I know we just said that or I just said that I think it's irresponsible to say we've eliminated somebody based off
01:05:51
of handwriting analysis but we should point out that out of all the handwriting samples that they took most
01:05:59
of these people were quote-unquote ruled out or eliminated right and then we have
01:06:05
very few that that stayed on the the list of people we cannot rule out now Merriman just like several other people
01:06:12
in this case who were questioned multiple times or the request for multiple handwriting samples asked by
01:06:19
police he's one of several that stood up in his own defense to the police and said something to the effect of you
01:06:27
know I'm here assisting you and cooperating in your investigation where are the Ramseys what are they doing at
01:06:36
this time you've talked to me multiple times you've asked me for this this and this and I've provided this this and
01:06:42
this to you what is going on with the case that that they are not being looked at some of these individuals I believe
01:06:50
that they truly just felt that they were beating being treated unfairly in the eyes of the detectives in the police
01:06:58
now Gary Merriman is not an individual that John Ramsey told the police that they should look into but Jeff Merrick
01:07:06
is somebody and is also somebody that Gary Merriman said the police should look into yeah and the basic story of
01:07:13
Jeff Merrick is he's an x-axis graphics employee he met John Ramsey in 1971 he knew him for a very long time he met him
01:07:23
when they both worked at AT&T in Columbus Ohio now he was one of the individuals that helped Ramsey start
01:07:31
access or whatever the micro South or whatever I was called at the time he quit in 1996 this is when according to Marik
01:07:43
when the the company was in trouble and the RAM and Ramsey needed to cut some salaries so he says access graphics owed
01:07:54
him one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars yeah well that's an interesting amount
01:08:01
apparently they settled and he did receive half of that money he did file ethics violations with corporate
01:08:10
headquarters at Lockheed Martin which owned access graphics according to the book death of innocence on page 66 this
01:08:21
is John Ramsey's words Jeff Merrick who had threatened to bring me and access graphics down when he left the company
01:08:29
in 1996 so as you were pointing out captain this is an individual that John Ramsey names by name on day one when
01:08:37
asked by police and detectives do you have any enemies well yeah cuz he was making threats -
01:08:43
yeah so he names Jeff Jeff Merrick as an enemy we have John sorry Gary Merriman for the last four weeks I've
01:08:51
been wanting to call that guy John Merriman his name is Gary Nick it's Gary anyway Gary Merriman says that Jeff
01:08:59
Merrick would be an enemy as well and then we have nedra nedra is Patsy's mother okay when she is asked for a list
01:09:12
of suspects she included Jeff Merrick and his vicious wife which is Kathy Merrick one little-known fact
01:09:22
inside the story that that I think gets lost and I don't know how important it is but it's interesting for the makeup
01:09:30
of the company and the makeup of John's success and Patsy and her family and relationship to John's success her
01:09:39
father was very much involved in all of John Ramsay's businesses okay he helped Ramsey as as did Patsy helped
01:09:51
John set up his businesses initially when his company was in trouble financially it was
01:09:59
Patsy's father that bailed him out with a loan and to further that at one point we have his father-in-law John Ramsey's
01:10:09
father-in-law Patsy Ramsey's father working for John Ramsey so this statement by nedra from Patsy's mother
01:10:17
is not just simply somebody who's on the outside looking in who just overheard this from John and
01:10:23
Patsy right this is somebody that has insider knowledge of things going on and access graphics
01:10:30
according to Kathy Marek and Jeff Merrick their alibi for the night in question is they visited Kathy's
01:10:38
brother-in-law in Aurora Colorado and then visited dick and Diane foot and they were home around 8:00 p.m. watched
01:10:48
TV and then went to bed so not a great alibi and the stuff that I see in front of me here captain states that they did
01:10:57
not cooperate in the sense of giving fingerprints blood hair handwriting samples
01:11:02
I couldn't find a confirmation that those things were provided from Jeff Merrick to the authorities I will say
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this he was questioned multiple times and he did answer their questions and he - just like Gary Merriman was one that
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said I'm here answering your questions where is John Ramsey he's accused me of this of being a suspect and I'm reading
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in the papers that you guys are unable to speak to the Ramsey family were they able to test his DNA - do you know the
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information that I have states that none of that was provided to police but they
01:11:39
pretty much kind of ruled him out I again I don't have any information stating that they ruled him out I the
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information I have states he was questioned multiple times - which he ultimately ended up getting
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confrontational with them in the end because he's reading in the paper and seeing on TV that the Ramseys are
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untouchable and they won't answer the police's questions but here you are disrupting my personal life right by
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asking me the same questions on several occasions both kid to a guy Chris wolf yeah his real name is Robert
01:12:12
Christian wolf he's extremely interesting to me for a number of reasons one he's not somebody that was
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on the inner circle of the Ramseys or on the inner circle of access graphics this
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is like a unknown intruder he comes to our attention from his girlfriend his girlfriend Jackie dilson she comes
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forward to police in states because remember there is a time that's going on here where the police and the Ramseys
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are asking the public for their help so she comes forward to boulder police and states that chris wolf was out all night
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long regarding the night in question and when he came home he was covered in mud
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and he was acting extremely strange this is all her opinion obviously the weird connection he may have is this kind of
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furthers this suspicion along here is this same girlfriend adds that he should be considered a suspect in the death in
01:13:18
the murder of Suzanne chase who was killed December 21st 1997 wolf apparently dated Suzanne chase
01:13:28
at some point his knowledge regarding the Ramseys or the case itself he was a journalist who worked as a reporter for
01:13:40
Colorado daily and for the Boulder County Business reports and apparently he interviewed Cheryl McGraw who is a
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secretary at access graphics he comes onto our radar again by a tip from his girlfriend at the time it states here
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now this is his own claims so I cannot back this up but wolf was a guest on The O'Reilly Factor and this was from May of
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2000 2000 where he states in his interview that he did provide fingerprints and hair and handwriting samples again
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that's his claims the weird thing about Chris wolf though is his alibi is completely the opposite statement from
01:14:30
his girlfriends Chris wolf says I was in bed early approximately 9:30 or 10:00 p.m. I did not wake up or get up or go
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out until the next morning right according to the book perfect murder perfect town it does state that Chris
01:14:45
wolf did provide his DNA and it was not a match for what they were looking for the next one we're going to have to call
01:14:53
the unknown suspect and this is in reference to a crime that occurred just nine months after Jon Benet was murdered
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this takes place in an affluent part of Boulder not terribly far from the Ramseys home a mother and her 12 year
01:15:09
old daughter came home from the movies they are alone in their home it's late the mom sets the burglar alarm and goes
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to bed an intruder crept into the girls bedroom he put his hand over the girl's mouth
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said the girl's name and told her he knew her he starts a sexual assault and it's believed he was working toward a
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possible abduction of this girl as well but the mother she wakes up she hears noises and goes to her daughter's room
01:15:45
she sees the man he runs and he goes out of a bedroom window jumps off the roof to the ground below and flees the area
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the man was dressed in all black from head to toe and wearing a mask this 12 year old girl attended the same dance
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studio as Jon Benet the dance West's studio this person has never been identified and we have the father of the
01:16:13
victim who says he believes that the intruder may have already been hiding inside the home when the mother and
01:16:21
daughter returned to the house just waiting there to attack this girl right we've seen that and a lot of different
01:16:28
cases seems like to me like this is a great lead and something that long for shoulda followed up on more because we
01:16:36
have that connection of the dance studio and having especially a predator that is
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able to go to a place that he's knows that kids are gonna be at he can walk in there freely basically stalk these
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individuals and then attack them at their home the dance studio very well could have nothing to do with that
01:16:59
attack but he's a weird connection to getting us back to JonBenet's case their home not being terribly far from the
01:17:07
Ramseys the rain the second crime taking place just nine months later those are all very weird things that that really
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put a chance that this offender is somehow in the the circle of the Ramseys or the neighborhood or that dance studio
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it's really truly interesting and the other thing too I want to point out for me anyway if the intruder theory in the
01:17:31
Ramsey case is in fact correct then I believe that we need to have a certain level of criminal sophistication where
01:17:40
here we have that in this particular crime we see somebody that is good at getting into the home they got close to
01:17:49
the assault that they were seeking potential abduction of this girl and they were able to flee the area without
01:17:57
being identified okay so there is some sophistication there but way back in 2004 Erin Moriarty reported the
01:18:07
following the boulder District Attorney investigators haven't completely ruled out anyone and have a list of people
01:18:15
that like to talk to reportedly more than 100 names it's a list that still includes Gary Olivia and anyone who can
01:18:23
shed more light on the mysterious death of Michael Hale goth and that includes their friends and associates that
01:18:30
investigators strongly consider people of interest there is now what is believed to be a complete DNA profile of
01:18:38
JonBenet Ramsey's killer an unknown male there is strong evidence that he may have had an accomplice
01:18:46
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