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talk some true crime [Music] w when we first learned that Andrew was missing on June the 26 last year we were
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shocked we have spent the last 7 months putting up posters searching for him with his friends with his co-workers and
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even complete strangers who cared enough to help find him through this we have come to know Andrew even better he was
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well known in his community he was a hard worker and he was loved by all we looked for him in the heat in the rain
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and in the snow December 9 was the last day that Karen and I searched for him it
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was snowing yesterday morning I received a call from detective Dave Dickinson telling me that they made an
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arrest I was in shock all I remember is saying oh my God oh my God I asked only one question did they find his
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body the answer was no I would like to thank Andrew's friends and his co-workers for keeping his name in the
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media and the media for keeping his face in the public eye and the police for all
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their hard work I mean you always have hope that you know he's going to be found you know alive somewhere CU
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there's medical issues there's things that can happen I mean you you that's the hard part when someone's missing is
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you live with hope and you live with despair like you hope that they're going to be found but you despair that they'll
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never be and you know at least now there is a conclusion to Andrew's [Music] story Toronto Canada late
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2010 Mr Abdul basar fi is a 42-year-old man born in Afghanistan and at some point in this
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man's life he had immigrated to Canada from Iran now he went by the name of basur now basur is a Muslim man a father
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and a husband and his family is Muslim as well he lived with his wife and two daughters baser back in 2010 worked as
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an assistant machine operator at a local printing company he would often tell his family
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that he was working 12-hour days now now unfortunately basur was a closeted man I
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can't speak to every day but from the way it sounds most days basur was not actually working 12-hour days he would
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go to work and then he would go to bars or to bath houses after work now on December 29th 2010 basser called home
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late in the evening and said that he would be home very very late that night he had stated that he had worked a long
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day and he was going to go out with a friend from work after he was done buter did not return home that night nor did
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he return the next day or the day after now some time went by and his family was
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seeking answers as to where he could be and why he did not return home so trying
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to determine why his family did some snooping and they accessed his computer well they were shocked when they
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discovered that basur had been secretly going to bath houses in the gay Village area in
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Toronto he had also been on several gay dating websites and apps with names such
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as silver daddies and Bear 411 and he was also going to different gay bars or at at least gay friendly bars right yes
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and so you know a relative would later tell news outlets that basser had hid that he was gay from his family um and
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then when when his family went to police to report him as a missing person right
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now they told the officers what they had found on basser's computer and what they
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had learned about him since he had disappeared after hearing all of this officers suggested that basur had
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probably just left running off to start a new life right basser's family shared this belief in fact some sometime
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after B's wife made it official and divorced him she was angry with him she actually thought that um he had
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abandoned her and their two young daughters so police were convinced that he had just decided to up and leave and
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start another life and the family was pretty convinced of this as well so unfortunately we have this man who goes
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missing but no one's really looking for basser but Polie have kind of a problem on their hands because there's several
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men that have been to these bars in this gay Village that have gone missing no because almost 4 months earlier in
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September of 2010 and I I do have to make an apology before okay to all the listeners
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out there and to uh everyone you don't have to apologize the show anyone anyone in the universe I'm apologizing to you
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but uh most people that have followed this show for a good amount of time know that this is not the place that you go
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to to get a uh pronunciation lesson lesson you didn't minor and that no and actually I frequently get pronunciation
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lessons from uh emailers so um but uh this this case holds a lot of tricky names so I'm going to give it my best
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shot give it my 100% effort here well we're going to need you to give it 110% today so here we go um this man age 40
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his name is scander navaratna okay uh he was reported missing in early September of 2010 he
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was known to frequent Toronto's gay Village specifically Church Street and Welsley street now he was better known
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to his fan his friends as scanda okay and he was last seen at a bar called zippers scanda was a regular there he
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liked to go to zippers and shoot uh he went to the bar on Sunday September 5th and was last seen leaving
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in the early morning hours of September 6th with a man on his arm the 6th was a holiday so late night partying should be
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expected mhm now the man he left with well this is troubling because one thing that we should point out here is that
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with any with any bars you typically have regulars yeah okay okay and I I actually from hearing interviews and
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reading what Witnesses have stated in these different accounts here in this specific case that we're discussing
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today it seems like the These Bars that we're talking about had an even higher number of regulars yeah that they would
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they would see time and time again very few times would you see you know let's call it a stranger walking into one of
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these bars now the troubling thing here is that scanda is last seen with a man in the early morning hours of Monday
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September 6th leaving this bar this zippers bar what it makes it a little more scary that people are going missing
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when these bars are filled with regulars so then you have to start assuming on some level that the people that are
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going missing are going missing because of a regular well in discussing the man that scanda was last seen with the
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troubling thing the biggest troubling thing is people could not identify this man the the bartender said he didn't
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know who this man was and actually the thought amongst those that were interviewed is that the two scanda and
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this Unknown man that they were not in any kind of a relationship but the two had probably met that night right and
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then we see something similar with this disappearance that we saw when we spoke about basur scanda was a free-spirited
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man he would often take off and go out of town for a night or to very regularly right so there was this
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assumption here of course that that when he didn't show up for a day or two that
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this scanda had just gone somewhere you know he went off on one of his his one one of his adventures let's say the
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other thought too was some people had wondered if there was a chance that scanda had fallen in love with someone
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maybe even the man that he was last seen with leaving zippers and maybe the two had run away together then about 2 years
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after basur and scano missing this is now October 14th 2012 Majid Kahan who lives in Toronto he
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is reported missing now this man is 58 years old at the time that he's reported missing kaian is also a member of
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Toronto's gay village community The Disappearance of Majid was different in the sense that no one that police spoke
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with said that he would take off for any reason at all so okay this this is unsettling right right the opposite mhm
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yeah so now we have three adult males have gone missing in the course of a about a two-year time frame now let's
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say basur didn't take off and decided you know didn't take off to abandon his family now unfortunately you know from
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the outside looking in that's what that looks like you know when you see that when you see the this man has things on
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his computer uh and this whole life that no one seems to have known anything about with his
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family that's what it looks like when you are on the outside looking in right but if he didn't take off on his own
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then we have three men all 42 years of age or older similar ethnic backgrounds M all known to have been frequenting gay
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bars so plenty in common here when you look at this from a victimology aspect could there be something going on in
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this area in this community so police set up a task force to look into these disappearances they called the task
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force project Houston uh this was set up in 2012 why do they call that you know that's the
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one thing I've always wondered about with these task force because sometimes I find that the name has some kind of
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relevance right um maybe they had something you know that would make them come up with the name project Houston if
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I were involved in a task force I would would want the job of naming the task force cuz there's always some like
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interesting name but so project Houston however set up in 2012 the the task force only lasted
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about 18 months this was closed when investigators on the task force could find no evidence leading them to the
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whereabouts of these three gentlemen or evidence to suggest that the cases were linked in any way other than the
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commonalities that we have just pointed out here it could have been as simple as there
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was a rumor that one of the guys went to Houston mhm and maybe that's why they named it such a weird name for this case
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well the other thing that I want to point out here too and I don't want anybody jumping my back here I'm I'm the
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most well-rounded individual you will ever meet I'm a man of the people but here's one a lot of round edges here's
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one thing I want to point out from a law enforcement perspective okay when they're looking at a case like this when
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you when we're talking to potential victims families and we say potential victims families because we have three
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different scenarios one where a man appears that he may have just taken off and left right two a man that was known
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to leave for short periods of time but return and then another man that's the complete opposite that would never leave
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for any reason at all right without telling people right so so we may only have two victims here or one victim here
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we we the but we don't know if we have victims yet because we have no bodies right and jumping off the page here we
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really only have one person that looks like he is somewhere that he shouldn't be or where he would not be expected to
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be right so from a law enforcement perspective even if even if all three of these men were endangered or if they had
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met with Foul Play somehow you have a situation where you have to question it is there possibility of Foul Play
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involved in any of the disappearances of these men and I bring up that thought thought of a high-risk lifestyle because
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that would be on my mind if I were law enforcement talking about these cases if I were involved in task force uh project
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Houston you know and what I mean by that is it doesn't have anything to do with being a man or a woman or homosexual or
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heterosexual but when you have individuals that are reported by friends and family to believe to
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have having numerous casual encounters with different people then that is a bit of a high-risk
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lifestyle that's exposing yourself to people that your friends don't know that your family don't know that that you may
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be spending an evening with or some time with and and the reason why it's high risk you don't know them either you
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don't you don't know much about them either you know if if I meet you captain in a bar you we're shooting pool we're
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having a good time and I've never seen you before did did you find me on Silver Daddies no I found you in the bar I I
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was shooting a game of pool I challenged you to a a game of pool and and what I know about you if I decide to leave with
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you or if I decide to invite you somewhere with me it's getting a little little uncomfortable here but you see
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what I'm saying I only know what you've told me about yourself which could all be complete lies yeah I think the risk
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the risky Behavior you're talking about is you know it's you're not going home every night and watching Netflix I mean
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if you're going out to a bar uh you know more than four or five times a week then
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you're putting yourself at more of a risk if you're meeting people at bars and then going back to their house
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you're putting yourself at risk if you're meeting people on websites or dating apps then you're putting yourself
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at risk um so and and especially now you know I have a lot of single friends that
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are on the Tinder and um what's the other one Bumble uh these dating apps and they're going on sometimes two or
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three dates in a day yeah I haven't had a date in 3 years but but they're going on because I'm not going to take the
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risk well there's danger in everything that we do captain and I you know I don't want to ruin anybody's party but
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you can tell by the captain intros wouldn't be the first party that you ruined that I'm super excited about St
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Patrick's Day but you know people go out and celebrate you got to be careful and
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I tell you what one thing that is strange you know this this is strange that my brain ticks this way
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but you know what was it last weekend or the weekend before was the Arnold Classic comes to Columbus and
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unfortunately we've had two cases that we've talked about on our show where we've had College age men or well men in
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their late 20s go missing during the weekend of the Arnold challenge yeah I think the Arnold is the number two human
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trafficking event in the world what's the first one Super Bowl Super Bowl yeah yeah uh so so you know I me and some of
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my friends uh and we have a a joke but in all seriousness we we are serious about this because we will say oh we
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don't go downtown during the Arnold Classic well and it's getting pretty sad because that's becoming an issue in
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every bar well let's shift gears here for a bit we just discussed the closing of project Houston but one of the
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biggest aspects of this case is something called project prism so we're going to have to fast forward a bit
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because in August of 2017 that is when project prism is formed to investigate the disappearances
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of a couple of men this is amid pressure from the public now while project prism
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is going to be a big aspect of this case many believe and rightfully so that the
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Catalyst for project prism well was something that was a major change and now we talked about the three men who
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had gone missing in the 2-year time frame from 2010 to to late 2012 but in the time after those
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disappearances and leading up to 2017 men continue to go missing these would be men believed to frequent
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Toronto's gay Village then on April 20th of 2017 a man by the name of Salim Asen he is 44 years old he lives in
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Toronto he is reported missing now a little background in Asin came to Canada from Turkey around 3
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years before he went missing and he went to Canada for a relationship some of his
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friends say that that as Sin he had struggled with addiction which he was very open about
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you know he didn't hide this uh addiction problem that he had right but he also was in a relationship that was
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was often abusive yeah that sad now in the months leading up to his disappearance he was doing much better
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he was winning his battle over his addiction and he was staying away from his on and off again boyfriend the one
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that is responsible for the often abusive relationship as Sin was last seen on April 14th
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2017 this was close to his apartment building near blor Street and Jarvis Street police were they were treating
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his disappearance as suspicious oh yeah and you would kind of wonder if he's in an abusive relationship is that person
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responsible for him going missing yes major red flag there now in June of 2017 here's here's what I think is a big
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thing that changed in these cases and it might be the victimology because where we have a lot
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of guys who we described they were described by family and friends or people of the community as men who quote
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quote are people on the margins of Canadian Society mhm whose disappearances attracted little public
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attention well now in 2017 in June 28th there's a man named Andrew Kinsman who lives in Toronto he's
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reported missing he was last seen alive on June 26th Andrew was 49 years old he was a
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lgbqt activist and a former bartender in Toronto who had many many friends when he went missing so his friends well they
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took notice that he was gone and it's reported that Andrew suddenly went missing the day after Toronto's gay
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pride parade and as we said his friends took notice very quickly and so did the police actually leading into today's
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story The ver the voices that you heard there over top of the captain's always fantastic music those two ladies are
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Andrew's sisters so while some of the other men's disappearances received little attention Andrew kinsman's on the
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other hand had search parties and scores of friends looking for him when he went
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missing looking into Andrew's background uh he was a superintendent and a long-term volunteer at the Toronto
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people with AIDS Foundation mhm friends and family actually figured pretty quickly that the man must have just they
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they figured that he was is dead Okay shortly after he went missing because um after he went missing they they went to
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his apartment they they got gained access somehow into his apartment just two days after he went missing finding
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his cat finding Andrew's cat was left alone in his apartment and Andrew is a person that is described by all that I
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could find as someone that was extremely responsible he was a very responsible man and one thing that he certainly
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would would not do is to neglect his job duties as a superintendent or neglect his cat yeah so it's because of the
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disappearances of Salim Asin and Andrew Kinsman that the police decided to start
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up another investigation and task force and this time the investigation is called project prism looking into the
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disappearances of these two men and both of these disappearances considered by family and police as suspicious in
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went missing from the gay Village in Toronto and so they set up a task force called project Houston mhm and then they
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closed that project down and then they set up a new project project because we had another two guys that went missing
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and they called that project prism yeah so I want to make sure that we are painting the right picture here for
00:28:06
everyone so most of us probably live in some sort of big city or even if you're not in the big city you might travel
00:28:14
there for shopping or going out for coffee or just hanging out with friends so figure this that over the course of
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about 8 years every time you venture into that big city when you're going to meet up with some of your friends or
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whatever every time you go there there is a missing flyer taped to a lamp post yeah on the corners at intersections and
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then a year later there's still a missing flyer tape to the lamp post on those Corners at the same intersections
00:28:42
only this time it's a different man's face on the flyer with a different name and a new phone number to call MH and
00:28:49
then the next time you go for coffee the same thing but again a different man different name well and every time you
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go to a bar you kind of hear hey um this guy was at this bar and then he left with somebody and he's never been seen
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again well that's what people in Toronto were seeing around this time and you don't have to you know you only have to
00:29:09
be in the big city a few times and see these different missing Flyers to know there's something going on here you
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don't even have to be part of the gay community or frequent those bars uh to know that something is going on and it
00:29:21
ain't right so we talked briefly about the two task force but there is going to be one major breakthrough and that will
00:29:30
be the difference between that of project Houston and that of project prism this big breakthrough is one of
00:29:37
the cases that we are looking at in Project prism and this case is going to produce a potential suspect and even
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better this might even suggest that the three cases listed as part of of that project that there may be more in common
00:29:54
with these cases than just men of similar ages going to the same places or living similar Lifestyles they're
00:30:00
possibly linked together because yes one can quickly start to find things in common from the cases in Project Houston
00:30:07
and then the cases in Project prism but not only May the victimology be similar but we have one common thread here and
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that Common Thread is a man by the name of Bruce MacArthur right but what is his
00:30:19
tie going to be to these gentlemen that went missing well it appears that there is some evidence to suggest that Bruce
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MacArthur had ties to two of the men on our missing men list okay so one of those men was
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scanda and then the other is Andrew Kinsman so friends of scanda would say that MacArthur employed and had some
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kind of sexual relationship with scander from 1999 until 2008 so the relationship
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ending about 2 years before scanda goes missing yeah that's a long relationship later we would learn that MacArthur's
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Facebook profile also showed that he was friends with scanda some others were saying that Andrew Kinsman had some type
00:31:08
of romantic relationship with mathur for an unknown amount of time mhm and again
00:31:15
like we said they were using dating websites such as silver silver daddy Silver Daddies silver daddies and the
00:31:24
other one was Bare 411 be 411 but I think there was a lot more um websites or apps being used amongst because now
00:31:33
we're talking about a large group of people you know where we started off with one missing man we're we're now
00:31:40
talking about we have a suspect and plus five missing men that we've discussed there may be more that we've not
00:31:46
discussed so we're starting to talk about a large pool of people mhm so who is this Bruce McArthur guy so MacArthur
00:31:52
grew up in Katha Lakes this is northeast of Toronto mhm and he married his wife Janice in the mid 1980s Janice yep and
00:32:03
they resided in Ashawa now the couple they have a son and a daughter and then later of course grandchildren right so
00:32:12
obviously at some point he's living as a heterosexual male he gets married he has
00:32:17
kids they have kids now he's a grandfather but now he is going on dates with men well we haven't quite got there
00:32:25
yet um so brce MacArthur faced financial difficulties in the mid to late 90s and
00:32:31
then eventually declared bankruptcy in 1999 and then after being estranged from his wife MacArthur began socializing
00:32:40
with members of Toronto's gay community and then as of 2018 Bruce MacArthur worked as a self-employed landscape
00:32:50
Gardener and in 2018 he's going to be living in Thorn Cliffe Park uh it's Central East Toronto mhm yeah he lived
00:32:59
there alone now let's go back to 2001 because in 2001 Bruce MacArthur well he was accused of assault and let's go
00:33:08
through this shall we mhm so we do not have the victim's name here the victim's name is was not shared nor is it
00:33:15
necessary for you know to tell about MacArthur's past but what was presented and what was heard at the trial is that
00:33:24
MacArthur and the victim they knew other but they didn't have like a a personal relationship or I I wouldn't
00:33:32
even say that they were they were friends according to documents they knew each other just enough to say hello say
00:33:39
hello if they saw each other on the street or in a barh some reports state that the victim
00:33:46
was a quote male Hustler uh which could be true we can't say for certain but I what does that mean male Hustler um well
00:33:56
we have to to be clear here we're going off of a court document that states that
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this man may have been the victim may have been a male Hustler now the court document does not go on to Define what
00:34:08
they believe a male Hustler to be so I will let everybody else out there use their imagination and you can decide
00:34:15
what you think they mean by that so and the reason why I say it in that way Captain is because that could be true it
00:34:22
could it could not be true MH who knows um but the story goes something like this now it's Halloween it's Halloween
00:34:30
night so October 31st 2001 MacArthur in this man they go back to the man's house
00:34:38
and the victim allowed mathur into his apartment according to both parties no sexual encounter took place that day in
00:34:46
fact the reason for the two men going to the apartment was this the victim wanted
00:34:51
to show MacArthur his Halloween costume mhm well what the man did not know is MacArthur had concealed a lead pipe and
00:35:01
once inside the apartment when the man had his back turn to Bruce MacArthur Bruce pulled out the pipe and hit the
00:35:08
man multiple times in the head W now good for the victim because he was able to uh quickly defend himself at the best
00:35:18
that he could and I don't want to make this sound any less brutal than it truly was this man was badly and savagely
00:35:26
attacked by Bruce yeah for some reason uh and we can get into this if you have any thoughts on the matter Captain but
00:35:34
after the attack Bruce the attacker to be clear Bruce went to Police Headquarters almost
00:35:41
immediately afterward reporting that he had hurt someone the incident had traumatized the victim he he his
00:35:49
injuries required that he go to the hospital and he received stitches for his injuries okay so let's go back to
00:35:56
the this whole idea that they're in his apartment to show a Halloween costume to
00:36:01
Bruce mhm Bruce pulls out a lead pipe we don't think that there was any argument
00:36:06
that we know of and Bruce attacks this man there was no argument this was a sneak attack right and then Bruce goes
00:36:16
to law enforcement and says hey I just attacked somebody yeah interesting and so then what does
00:36:22
law enforcement do well this thing's going to go to court and Bruce actually gets a chance to speak to the judge on
00:36:30
the matter in which MacArthur said he did not know why he attacked the victim he he also said that he just wanted let
00:36:38
me tell you why why cuz use use a piece of [ __ ] who who does that uh yeah I don't know I don't know why I attacked
00:36:48
him how about you start with why did you have a lead pipe yeah you know okay keep going well
00:36:55
that that's the thing you don't just happen to have a lead pipe right you have you you brought that with you to
00:37:02
the man's apartment anyway MacArthur told the court that he just wanted to apologize to the court for what had
00:37:09
happened that his life had been kind of a mess in the last year and a half leading up to this and knowing what's
00:37:15
going to happen and what's happened to him uh was just a mess he continued he also said that he would like to
00:37:22
apologize to the victim I stating I wouldn't know what to say other than I'm sorry for all the pain and anger I have
00:37:29
caused him so the crown and the defense put forward a joint submission on sentencing in which Bruce MacArthur
00:37:38
would spend spend one year under house arrest followed by a curfew for 6 months and then three years probation that's
00:37:47
just not enough well hang on MacArthur was also barred from a specific area that included Toronto's gay village
00:37:54
where the crown indicated that MacArthur could come into contact with male sex workers the crowns words and quote from
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my perspective it's in the best interest to keep him meaning Bruce MacArthur out
00:38:08
of the area where he's more likely than not to come into be enticed by male prostitutes another condition of
00:38:17
MacArthur's sentence included MacArthur being prohibited from taking illicit drugs specifically mentioned were
00:38:23
poppers and this information was taken from an article in the star where they go on to mention that poppers are a
00:38:31
chemical compound which can be inhaled prior to sex and is a popular drug now he was also ordered to seek
00:38:41
counseling for mental health issues particularly for Anger Management MacArthur was prohibited from having any
00:38:48
firearms for at least 10 years and because assault causing bodily harm is what is called a primary designated
00:38:57
offense the judge was required to make a DNA order now the DNA order allowed uh bodily substance samples to be taken
00:39:06
from the offender this is Bruce MacArthur typically through a mouth swab to be added to a database this just
00:39:14
seems like a pretty light sentence to me for taking a lead pipe and attacking somebody and I think because this
00:39:22
individual was a sex worker or they assum is a sex worker thought to be yeah that um that the sentence is lighter
00:39:31
because of it well okay so you're exactly right captain and um the thing here is what I the way that I think this
00:39:39
went down and what what you see within this sentence to me is a lot of um precautionary strategies being taken
00:39:50
against this man yeah but you know what would make the community safer putting this guy behind bars but I think here's
00:39:57
where the problem with that lies with the court system okay so one you have an offender who turned himself in
00:40:05
immediately after the attack M so the court is going to look at that in a different way than if they would have
00:40:11
had to Manhunt this guy and track him down and arrest him and so not only did he turn himself in but he's also
00:40:18
pleading guilty the problem that you also have here and this is a suspicion of mine I can't say this with 100%
00:40:25
certainty mhm my guess is that the victim did not care to partake in the court proceedings possibly not yeah and
00:40:34
well what I do know about the victim is that the victim never filed an impact statement so uh I'm guessing that the
00:40:41
victim probably had very little to do with the actual Prosecuting of Bruce MacArthur right so the victim is not
00:40:49
shouting throw in jail then well here's the thing you you have two things going on you have a you have a trial where you
00:40:59
have the offender who's saying look I did this I'm guilty and I turned myself in and then you have the what we would
00:41:05
call the states case here in the in the United States the states case would be we don't have a victim to present to you
00:41:12
to say this is what happened right so that's why I think the S the sentence seems a little light however what I
00:41:19
wonder about and and what I kind of applaud the judge in the court system here for doing is that I see a lot of
00:41:28
precautionary attempts here at at hey we believe this guy could be pretty violent
00:41:33
we don't understand what went down we don't have a victim to speak with he doesn't really understand it right or at
00:41:39
least what he's claiming is he doesn't understand why it maybe we just need to make sure that a his DNA is in the
00:41:46
system because that's a huge deterrent and I don't care what anybody says out there I will argue that until the what
00:41:52
is till the cows come home where were the cows but anyway I will argue that till the cows come home and then B this
00:41:59
man can't hold any firearms for at least 10 years we want him to go to anger management classes so there's a lot of
00:42:05
precautionary things going on here also we don't want him to be in an area or around people that we identify that
00:42:12
would fall into play with his victim you know that that line up with his victim yeah that's the scary thing about this
00:42:19
though hey we want you to stay out of this area I mean to me that's basically stating to the community that this guy
00:42:26
is um is a Potential Threat down the line yeah he's either somebody that just needs a little bit of help or is a
00:42:33
threatening individual now that we know a little bit more about Bruce MacArthur let's fill in some of our timeline here
00:42:40
so it was late June 2017 when Andrew Kinsman was last seen and then reported missing it was August of that same year
00:42:49
when project prism was formed now in September of 2017 this is this is interesting here
00:42:57
this is when police identify Bruce MacArthur whom we just discussed as a person of possible interest in the
00:43:05
connection uh with Andrew kinsman's disappearance right now this is not announced at this time to the public
00:43:12
this is simply just a part of their investigation then in October of 2017 police began to follow Bruce MacArthur
00:43:21
that's right he is put under surveillance good he's being followed and I don't have the details of such but
00:43:28
this is what we've seen we've seen this type of activity from police it's almost
00:43:33
certainly Around the Clock surveillance MH uh so what does that mean that means they think this dude is up to something
00:43:40
terrible and if we follow him long enough we might be able to catch him in the act or catch him in the act of
00:43:48
breaking some kind of law so we can lock him up right but we have these individuals in this community that Bruce
00:43:55
has been a part of um and he had a vicious attack against somebody from this community and now I
00:44:04
mean you know your thoughts have to be on some level when you're looking for these uh Missing men that when you come
00:44:12
across uh Bruce MacArthur and then you figure out what he did what the crime he did to be in the system MH you start you
00:44:22
this be kind of a light bulb moment right this could be our guy of course well in December this is December 5th of
00:44:29
2017 police warned members of Toronto's gay community to be um weary of dating apps to stay away from dating apps and
00:44:39
then 3 days later on the 8th of December this is a bit of a strange move and we'll get into this more later but the
00:44:46
police say that there is no reason to believe that the disappearances in the two different task force cases are
00:44:55
related meaning the Disappearance in relation to um project Houston which was three missing men right and then the two
00:45:03
missing person's cases in Project prism they're announcing to the public that there is no reason for anyone to believe
00:45:09
that these disappearances are connected to one another that's interesting but they're
00:45:15
saying don't use these dating apps you know that there's some guy out there right he's on what is Silver Daddies mhm
00:45:24
and he he gets no likes on his photos right everybody's swiping him left right and he gets a date and he's
00:45:33
excited with a handsome gentleman they're supposed to go to the gay Village on Friday night but on Thursday
00:45:41
night he turns on his radio right he drives on the radio Thursday night and the police are like hey knock it off
00:45:47
with these dating apps don't use them we got people going missing and we think they're connected with possibly dating
00:45:53
websites or a dating app what do you do do you go on the date or do you risk it no here's what you do
00:46:04
I'll tell you what you do okay you postpone the date for at least a week maybe a week and a half and during the
00:46:10
meantime you stalk this gentleman online find out everything you can about him bring some pepper spray now in all
00:46:18
seriousness um me I'm a gut feeling guy and and throughout my life I've gotten some gut feelings that just tell me not
00:46:24
to do something for no reason at all I follow that gut I don't do it now anybody that chooses to use dating apps
00:46:32
or you know more power to you there's nothing wrong with it there's a lot of good people meeting other good people
00:46:37
that way tell somebody where you're going bring a friend along for the first encounter there are many different
00:46:43
things that you can do go to a place where you know a lot of other people you know hey you want you want to go here
00:46:49
and hang out where I know other people uh my friends will text me and say I think it happens Saturday hey I'm going
00:46:55
to meet this guy at whatever time right mhm uh I'm a horrible person cuz I start
00:47:01
making serial killer jokes oh there you go that that always makes everybody feel
00:47:06
happy so anyway in December we have the police warning people not to use these dating apps we also have PE the police
00:47:13
saying that the disappearances between the two projects while they might be connected within each other they're not
00:47:19
connected to the other and then this happened [Music] this morning at approximately 10:25 a.m.
00:47:35
police arrested 66-year-old Bruce MacArthur of the city of Toronto he is self-employed as a landscaper using the
00:47:45
company named artistic design and he lives in the Thorncliffe Park area he has been charged with two counts of
00:47:53
first-degree murder in relation to Mr Kinsman and Mr Essen we believe he is responsible for
00:48:00
the deaths of Mr Essen and Mr Kinsman and we believe he's responsible for the deaths of other men who have yet to be
00:48:08
identified in other words we believe there are other victims as of right now interviews are
00:48:16
taking place and police have secured five properties four in Toronto and one in Mok connected to Bruce MacArthur in
00:48:25
an effort to further investigate these occurrences we have not yet found the bodies uh we're actively looking for
00:48:33
them uh we're conducting these search warrants in efforts to locate the bodies but at this point in time no we have not
00:48:38
located them I'm well aware of the difficulty of Prosecuting people without recovering the bodies but in this case
00:48:44
we believe we have strong enough evidence where we can do exactly that all right so now we're saying or
00:48:55
law enforcement is saying we think at least these two um the two victims that are connected with project prism are
00:49:03
connected so the way that this is being reported at this time is that on January
00:49:09
17 2018 investigators searched several properties all linked to Bruce MacArthur including his residence and a property
00:49:18
where he was known to store supplies evidence at either one or both of these locations is found seems to be good
00:49:26
enough to tie Bruce MacArthur uh to the deaths of kinman and as Sin now at this time at the time of the arrest as you
00:49:38
heard on January 18th 2018 they have no bodies yet uh but regardless MacArthur is arrested and charged with two counts
00:49:48
of first-degree murder now a little more clarity on the subject because one question that I find presented often it
00:49:55
seems uh this to be a big one is how and when did this guy get on the police's radar
00:50:02
right right because here we have them saying he's linked to two cases via the charges we just discussed but there is
00:50:09
certainly a much longer relationship between Bruce and a man that disappeared Bruce
00:50:15
employed scanda mhm and uh they had a romantic relationship so when and why did Bruce appear on the police's radar
00:50:25
now it's Toronto police have not said exactly how long Bruce MacArthur had been on their radar they have said that
00:50:31
the charges were laid out after months of probing now according to information told to the local media by employees at
00:50:40
a place called Dom's Auto Parts shop well a source says investigators had been on to Bruce MacArthur since at
00:50:48
least the fall of 2017 in fact the owner of the shop said police officers arrived in late SE
00:50:55
September this was because they there were suspicious about a vehicle um they asked for and began watching
00:51:03
surveillance video of Bruce MacArthur selling his Dodge Caravan to the shop MH after studying the tape the police then
00:51:11
seized the old rusted maroon Dodge Caravan sold by MacArthur and they had it towed away there's always a creeper
00:51:18
van now my guess is there must have been something in that van because then they
00:51:24
start that's when they start the follow Bruce MacArthur around and then listen to this new story and listen close
00:51:30
because there's a lot in [Music] there I'm ma ran griel we're live outside of alleged serial killer Bruce
00:51:44
MacArthur's apartment tonight in East Toronto now tonight a police Source confirms with us that back on January
00:51:51
18th they watched a young man walk into the 19th floor of MacArthur's apartment that is when officers moved in rushing
00:52:00
the apartment kicking down the door inside they found that young man handcuffed to the alleged serial
00:52:07
Killer's bed now our police Source says that young man made it out safe though tonight we're learning more about
00:52:12
another man whose fate is still unclear he was just a lovely person and he's going to be missed investigators
00:52:21
believe 47-year-old Dean lisowick was killed sometime between May 2016 in July 2017 no one ever reported him missing
00:52:29
however Lisa Wick was a regular at the Scott mission in Toronto for more than a decade staff tell me the last time he
00:52:35
was there was in April of 2016 I spoke with a longtime worker at the mission today who knew lisowick and shared her
00:52:42
colleagues memories of him a memory of a man they say is important to share he would often give to clients out of his
00:52:50
own so if he realized that somebody needed shelter he would put it upon himself self that person needs it more
00:52:56
than me and he would give up his bed and very generous out of just whatever he had whether it was change or an item of
00:53:02
clothing he would often be known just to pass that on to other clients or residents MacArthur is charged with the
00:53:09
murder of five men Andrew Kinsman selem Essen Majid Kahan suou Mash Moody and Dean lisowick yesterday we told you that
00:53:17
police have Unearthed the dismembered remains of at least three unidentified individuals from multiple large Planters
00:53:24
from some of the 30 properties they're sifting through on January 21st City News
00:53:31
captured police removing this large heavy planter from the property of Ron Smith and Karen Frasier today I spoke on
00:53:38
the phone with Smith he says police have been very professional while conducting
00:53:42
their investigation on the couple's leide property and his heart goes out to the victims and their families though
00:53:49
being removed from their homes with no return date in sight has been difficult what an upheaval you have to get out of
00:53:56
your house you have to get out now this is serious and bye-bye so we grabbed a couple of things left and it's been a
00:54:04
shambles ever since it's an allate reality you're waking up we we're now on our second group of of friends who
00:54:10
who've been good enough to be able to keep us um we aren't that far away so what we do is every now and then we
00:54:16
drive by just to check in to see what it looks like and it really is it's very surreal now Smith adds that MacArthur
00:54:26
worked on his property for about 10 years he'd do some free work there in turn they let MacArthur store some of
00:54:32
his equipment on their leide property in the garage at their home now tonight the
00:54:37
folks over at Scott Mission also confirm with me that police came and interviewed
00:54:41
them just before we went in there today they were asking if anyone else who uses
00:54:45
the mission may have ties to Bruce MacArthur tonight the investigation still continues it's a story we'll be
00:54:51
keeping a close eye on in the days to come [Music] so just to be clear what they stated
00:55:05
that they were following Bruce they were running surveillance on him MH uh a male
00:55:11
goes into his apartment they decide to go into the apartment make a rest I think they were
00:55:18
worried what would happen to this individual when they get in there this individual is handcuffed yes and that's
00:55:25
a whole another big ball of yarn that we're going to have to unravel on tomorrow's show much more to get to in
00:55:31
this case we'll talk about that tomorrow we'll see you in the garage until then be good be kind and don't
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