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talk some true crime. [Music] In true crime stories, we often hear statements like, "That is when our town
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lost its innocence." Or, "That sort of thing just doesn't happen here." Many times those are the words of sad
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and confused concerned citizens of a community rocked and shocked to the core with a recent unimaginable crime.
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Big city problems come to a little town, as they say. Today we examine a terrible crime. one
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that for some very strange and indescribable reason has caused me to question so many aspects of the crime.
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The concealment of evidence and the nature and secrets of this little girl's neighbors and the persons that lived in
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the town that was suddenly struck with a big city problem. That sort of thing doesn't happen here.
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Well, this sort of thing shouldn't happen anywhere. This is True Crime Garage and this is
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the still unsolved homicide case of Shannon Paul. [Music] This week we head on down to the
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Prattville, Alabama area. More specifically, Captain, we're going to the nice, quaint neighborhood of
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Candlestick Park. Sports fans will recognize that name as the one-time home ballpark for the San
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Francisco Giants and the home field for the 49ers, but no longer as the last event held at that wonderful stadium was
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a 2014 Paul McCartney concert. For the sake of our case, and the case that we're talking about here this week,
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we're going to go back to 2001. The Prattville population at this time is just under 30,000 folks. And the
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Candlestick mobile home community is located in the southeastern part of Prattville, Alabama. The focus of our
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case is going to be 11-year-old Shannon Pulk and the date is August 16th, 2001. This is a Thursday. Now, Shannon's
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mother is heading off to work first thing in the morning. When I say first thing in the morning, some sources say
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that she's up at 4:00 a.m. to get things going so she can get out the door. Now,
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keep in mind this is summertime, so this means no school for the kids on this day, but mom is going to work. Shannon
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and her 16-year-old sister Lisa will be staying home that day. Sounds like the protocol
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is that the girls have some chores and just make sure everybody's home after mom returns from work and home in time
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for dinner. So, the girls were allowed to leave the home and go out and visit with friends
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and play in the neighborhood and such. Just be home before dinner and you can go out as long as your chores are done.
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Shannon's mom, Marie Pulk, as said, had to be at work early that morning. She says that when she left the home just
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before she saw Shannon was asleep on the couch, so she kissed her on the forehead
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before leaving for the day. Now, we do get a pretty detailed timeline of events. I'm not going to say it's
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perfect. Obviously, we we have some gaps here and we have some details that are missing that could certainly help solve
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this mystery, but we do get some good information because this is this neighborhood, this Candlestick Park is
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described by several of the residents as a live community. And what they mean by
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that is there's always people outside and there's always people interacting with one another in this neighborhood.
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be it people out mowing the grass, people out riding bikes, kids playing, people sitting on their front porches.
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So, it's referred to as a live and active community and neighborhood. As said, her mother has to be up early that
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morning. She's leaving the house rather early that morning, and she has a stop on her way to work. She's dropping off a
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baby nephew back to his parents' home on the way to work. So, she kisses Shannon
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on the forehead and she walks out of the house. She leaves. This is supposed to just be another ordinary Thursday. One
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thing that is going on here, they live on Expo. The name of their street is Expo, by the way. All the streets in
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this neighborhood are named after baseball teams. Shannon's father is living about 2 hours away.
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Dad and mom are in the process of a divorce. One of the items here, Captain, is stated that Shannon was supposed to
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be grounded that day, which is a little tricky because in my household growing up, grounded for the day meant you
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weren't to leave the house, but nobody seems to be questioning her leaving the house. Now, at 9:00 a.m., Lisa, this is
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Shannon's older sister, said that she woke up and the TV was on in the living room and said that the TV was loud and
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she noticed that Shannon had made herself some breakfast and that she had already left the home for the day. One
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account and report that is not that there's no discrepancies in when you go to different sources is Shannon's
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personality. She's a very active child. So, her already being up for the day and
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out of the house was nothing out of the ordinary. >> Not out of the ordinary for Shannon, but
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not out of the ordinary for the other kids in the trailer park. Around 10:00 a.m., Shannon is over at a neighbor's
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house on Mets Street. She stayed with this neighbor for about 30 minutes or so. Shannon had asked this woman if she
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could take her up to the gas station so she could buy some candy. She said that she could later, but at the time her
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child was still sleeping in the other room, and so she told Shannon to come back later, and she would take her to
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get some candy. From there, Shannon went over to another friend's home. So now on our timeline, I
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have a marker of about 11:45 a.m. This is to see if some friends could come out and play.
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However, the friend is said to be too busy, couldn't come out and play with Shannon. These neighbors
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reported seeing Shannon with a baby walker or baby stroller. It's so from my understanding here, Captain, there is a
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stroller that even though she was grounded, part of that day, it was understood that
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she was going to go out and retrieve this stroller from somewhere in the mobile home park. I would like to know
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more about where this stroller came from. Was this just something that was spotted that somebody was discarding or
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was this an arrangement to pick it up? I don't have great details on this, but the stroller has become a rather large
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part of the story because some of our witnesses that see her that day see her toing around the stroller. Now,
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she was Shana was a very like helpful kid, as we'll see in some of this timeline, but she loved babies.
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And the purpose of her getting the stroller was to bring it back to her own home because she was going to give it to
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her relative for the new baby that mom just returned home that morning. When I hear that she's told to retrieve this
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stroller, to me it's maybe an item that she was playing with that she left somewhere.
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>> Could be. Again, I wish that we had a great understanding of the significance
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of this stroller because there are some sources that put a lot of thought and speculation
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into the movement of the stroller. And then there's other times where I just go, maybe it has nothing to do with the
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story at all other than it's something. It was part of her day that day. >> Yeah. And it makes you wonder, did
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people see her playing with this stroller before the day she went missing? >> There's a neighbor called M. Mary. So, a
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lot of these neighbors seem to have nicknames that that as we go through some of these nicknames, you'll see it's
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it's obvious that the nicknames are created by the kids in the neighborhood. So, this Ms. Mary,
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>> known to wear all black. >> She saw Shannon out of her window over at this friend's house that we talked
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about. She said that she saw her knock on the door and talk to them. She said that she then saw Shannon leave with the
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baby stroller and walk around to the other side of the pond over to the quote Halloween man's house.
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Miss Mary says that she saw Shannon knock on his door, but he must have not >> scary or anything. The Halloween man.
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>> Yeah. So, he must not have been home because Ms. Mary says that this Halloween man does not answer the door.
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Now, Ms. Mary is she's very important to our timeline because from my understanding, Ms. Mary is somebody that
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Shannon, even though Ms. marries an older woman. This is someone that Shannon would actually go and hang out
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with. You know, we talked about her sitting on somebody's porch and and talking earlier. She would go and say
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hello to Ms. Mary and things like that. So, this appears to be a trusted individual within the neighborhood. And
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what we're going to see with some of the players in this neighborhood, maybe some
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of them should not be trusted. So, when we have Ms. Mary saying that she sees her knock on the Halloween man's door
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and nobody answers. Her statement is that the Halloween man was not home. I don't know how she knows
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that the man wasn't home other or she just assuming that because he does not answer the door
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>> cuz it's not out of the realm of possibility that he was home and saw it's a little girl knocking on my door
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and I don't want to be bothered today >> or busy or still in bed. um you know, we
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don't know what his schedule would have been for that day and we do know his name. We'll get into some of the players
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here as we go. But continuing on the timeline, according to witnesses, Shannon then
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walked back toward the back of the park to one of the homes closer to her own. This is reported as being a little bit
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before noon that day. Shannon knocked on the door of a home only a couple houses
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over from hers. So, she's now back on Expo or Expose. The neighbor was a Prattville police officer. He lived
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there with his wife and his boys, his kids. Shannon had recently rescued a puppy and his family had been taking
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care of that dog because Shannon was not allowed to keep it. >> Right. This neighbor, however, was
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getting ready for work. The statement here is it was just him and the boys, so his wife wasn't home. And people have
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really red flag this thing, saying that the man, the police officer told Shannon she couldn't come in to
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visit with the dog or the boys because his wife wasn't home. It's been stated that this is some kind of house rule.
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Okay. I want to investigate this a little bit before we move on here. Some people have suggested that maybe the
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wife created this house rule because there's something weird about this dude. Like you can't have kids in here that
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aren't ours because he can't be trusted around them. That's a rumor that's circled around this portion of the
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timeline. >> Well, if he's a Mr. Mcily type, then we need to create rules and boundaries for
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this pedo. Well, the the rumor is that the rule is was created because he might be weird, the the adult male, the
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father. Again, I want to point out this is a rumor. It may be true that he says you can't come in because my wife isn't
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home. There could be what I'm saying is there could be a house rule that has nothing to do with him being a weirdo.
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That >> right? You know, there are some homes that either mom or dad or what have you
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just doesn't want to deal with extra kids and if the wife or husband's not there, they don't allow extra kids into
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the home or was he busy getting ready for work and didn't have time. You know, there's a million reasons why she would
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be denied access into this home. like you said, maybe he just doesn't want to deal with her and maybe she's a little
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bit of a bugaboo >> without him being some kind of weird strange guy, but I I point that out
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because that is the rumor. So, let's leave that door a little bit open on the possibility that that could be the
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truth, >> but also possibly not a complete scumbag because they find this dog and they take
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the dog in to take care of the dog. Well, and he is up later they're going to narrow down the time of concern for
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noon scumbag 115. You know, there are there's often psychological test and all kinds of other tests that individuals
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take to become a police officer or work for a city or a town. So, I'm I'm choosing to give him the benefit of the
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doubt. The listeners out there can decide if uh if your boy is right or wrong here. I think that there's enough
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>> Don't bet a Franklin on it. >> I think there's enough mystery here in this case that uh we don't want to spin
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our tires too long on just this one individual. Now, >> well, the fact of the matter is this is
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a small community, like you said, under 30,000 individuals, but in this park, even less. And anybody that saw her that
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day or anybody that was in that park during this time that she went missing has to be looked at. That's just the way
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that's just the way the world works. Absolutely. So, thank you for the nudge there, Captain. So, here a little
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background on this trailer park, the Candlestick Mobile Home Park, as it's called. It's an all ages manufactured
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home community located on South Memorial Drive in Prattville, Alabama. It's a land lease community. It
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was built in 1986. It has 220 home sites. Okay, that doesn't mean that they are all filled, but they have enough
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room for 220 homes. And the lots vary in size. And we know that because the the lot rent ranges,
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there's quite a big range of prices that a person could pay per month to live there. So the lot sizes must vary. But
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keep in mind, if this thing's filled, 220 homes, that's a lot of people in this community. So this is a big
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neighborhood. And I think there's a lot of a lot of information here to suggest that whenever she went missing, whatever
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caused her to go missing very likely could have happened right inside of this community, inside this neighborhood.
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Here is a point for me that I don't love. All right, I do not love to see this in our timeline. And we can get
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into the wise of that here in a bit, but originally police were working on the idea. So what what we're going to end up
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with is that police are notified when Shannon never comes home for dinner and they're called in. Now, early in the
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investigation, they are working through this timeline that we've just spoke of, and they're saying that look, this the
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last sighting, confirmed sighting we have of her is Shannon leaving this house around noon. Remember, she knocks
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on the door of the Prattville police officer and family, is denied access. She's seen leaving there around noon.
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And from my understanding, this might be multiple accounts. We have multiple witnesses saying that spotted around
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noon. So early in the investigation, police are going to hone in on the timeline of noon to about 7:30 p.m.
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Okay. So that's when everybody's out in the neighborhood looking for her. [Music]
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[Music] Welcome back you filthy animals. Cheers mates. Cheers to you Colonel. Cheers to
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you, Captain. Cheers to people in the back. Power to the people. Around 1:15 p.m., the Prattville police officer
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leaves his home for work. See, this is why I I really kind of got the feeling that this was more of just a situational
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thing, like, hey, I'm trying to get ready for work. There's no other parents here.
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>> And we don't know exactly what was said, though, right? I mean because >> well I believe that he gave the
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statement of I told her she couldn't come in cuz my wife wasn't home. And I think that people have kind of just run
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with that statement of like well that seems weird >> which is weird in itself. I mean it it
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literally could be my wife knows you. I don't know you that well. I'm you can't come in. Sorry.
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>> Or maybe it was meant to be if my wife was here I'm getting ready to leave for
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work. >> Right. >> Right. in an hour and 15 minutes. If my wife were here, you could come in
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because she would be here for the remainder of the day. >> Yeah. And we don't know what he needs to
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do. We don't know if he needs to [ __ ] shower and shave >> or just be straight up weird for an hour
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and 15 minutes. >> He has to do the chicken dance very slowly. >> Yeah. So, around 1:15, we get more of
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this statement here that Prattville police officer is leaving his home for work. He says that he sees that baby
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stroller that Shannon had been toing around. He says he spots it left on the curb outside of the Halloween man's
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house. He says he does not see Shannon anywhere. So this window of time is what the police will eventually come up with
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is most believed to be when she was abducted or something happened to her. Right. is not out of the realm of
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possibility that she went back to Halloween Man's house. She could be safe and sound in somebody else's house at
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this time. We know she was, what was she doing that morning that we know 100%? Toting around a stroller and knocking on
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people's doors. So, she could have knocked on anybody's door, went in and actually been safe and sound and just
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left the stroller outside somewhere to retrieve it later. Or, and this is a sad possibility, she could have already been
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picked up. Somebody could have picked her up in a car or she's in someone's home and things are not not great.
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>> Anybody that has grown up in a community when where there's other kids, you've experienced this. You wake up,
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you're looking for somebody to hang out with. You start going door todo. You have your favorites you go to first or
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maybe the kids that you know are their go-to kids. They're going to be home. And it seems like every person that
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she's going to hang out with is just not available. And if somebody was available
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that day, then this might have never happened. >> Yeah. A little background here on
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Shannon. So, she's 11 at the time. As we said, she's 5 foot tall, 83 lb. This is
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according to her missing poster. Uh, Caucasian with green eyes and sandy brown hair. I don't know how tall a
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kid's supposed to be if at 11 years old. That seems tall for to to my mind, but she is reported to have been very
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friendly, very outgoing. She saw everyone in that neighborhood as her friend. She's remembered for visiting
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the trailers of other persons of her neighbors to ask if they needed help with anything. In particular, she was
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known for visiting an elderly resident known as Ms. Mary to help her bathe and brush the teeth of her small dog. Listen
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to how much care this little one had. Right. She She's retrieving a stroller for her cousin, the her baby cousin.
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>> She's rescued a a puppy and and gave it to a neighbor to take care of and is going over to check on the dog. She's
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helping an elderly resident bathe and brush the teeth of her small dog regularly. So, she's extremely
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kind-hearted, extremely outgoing, which might be might end up being a big problem here. She was a person that was
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described as she knows no stranger. She never met a stranger. And her mother, Marie Strad, stated she
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had a heart of gold and just love people, all people, and everybody loved her. So, do we have any more information
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on this Halloween man? >> A little bit. Let's Let's We have a couple more items here on the timeline.
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We have a pregnant neighbor who came home sometime later. I don't have a a marker, a time marker for this,
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but it stated that she came home later that day to see the stroller on the curb. She thought that it had been
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thrown away. I guess she retrieved it thinking that it it was just, you know, somebody had tossed it, was discarding
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it, and so she could use it. Uh, so she retrieved it. Now, she did clean the stroller, and I don't know what kind of
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evidence anybody would think that they could have retrieved from the stroller, but we we should note here that if there
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were to have been any evidence, physical evidence on that stroller, it was cleaned that very day, the same day that
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Shannon goes missing. And we don't have a time marker for this individual, but we do know that her mother left early in
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the morning because she had to work. So, she's going to get home earlier. So, she
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comes back around 2:30 or so. >> Mhm. >> And and she doesn't see any signs of her
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daughter. >> Yeah. Shannon's not at home when mom returns. And I guess the breakup was
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fairly recent, maybe 6 months prior or just a few months prior, >> right, >> between mom and dad. And so, look,
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Shannon's not the only big heart caring person in this family. Mom says she she knows her daughter was upset and sad
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about the situation. She came home, her daughter's not there. She's like, "Okay,
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cool. She's just out playing with some friends. I'm going to swing over to Walmart and pick up a couple of items to
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surprise my kid and try to cheer her up. And so she goes over to the store, purchases some items, comes back.
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Shannon's still not there. Now it's time to start making dinner. Shannon never comes back. And it's, as we said
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earlier, it's understood that by 7:30 p.m. whatever happened happened. She was she was gone by 7:30 p.m. To me, I would
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like that to be a big marker on our timeline. So, what we do know happens is mom and sister Lisa, they're out in the
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neighborhood knocking on doors. Shannon knew no stranger. So, a lot of these neighbors start joining in helping to
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look for the little girl. They're going through the neighborhood. They're checking people's yards. They're
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knocking on doors. They're doing everything they can. This all goes down approximately 60 minutes, let's say 1
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hour's time. Now, we know at about 8:30, this is when Shannon's mom calls Shannon's father. In fact, he was
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supposed to come and get the kid the next day and keep her for the weekend. And of course, he's like, "Yeah, I've
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not heard from her." But but he lives two hours away at this point. >> He says I've not heard anything from
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her. He's extremely concerned. So he's like, I'm jumping in my car. I'll be there as quickly as I possibly can.
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>> But if I'm clear on something, the the last person that actually saw her was the police officer.
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>> That's what it sounds like to me. Yes. And and so you you're making a big marker at this 7:30, 8:00. But I think
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when you look at when he saw her last, the mom getting home, other people in the neighborhood getting home, the
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abduction to me seems like it happened before 2:00 p.m. I can agree with that. But the reason why I want to make this
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7:30 marker very important is because I think that I think that people have created a narrative here that she must
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have gone miss because of the stroller. >> Right. Again, I think that a lot of time
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I think that there's way too much weight put into the movement of this stupid stroller and because it's found it's
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seen just sitting there unattended by Shannon at 115 that that there's they've created this narrative that has has
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stood now for 20 years that oh something must have happened to her between noon and 1:15. I think I think it's it's very
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it could be very likely. I'm not saying that that's impossible. I'm not saying that that
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could be very creates saying that they've seen her after that time and and she had a lot of friends
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and knew a lot of the neighbors. So, it would it would make sense that that we would have good people saying, "Yeah, I
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talked to her. Oh, yeah. I saw her walking there." But what I'm saying is I don't know that she 100% had to be in
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the possession of her abductor by 115. And and and you'll see why I think that that's irresponsible.
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>> Well, and I also think too it's like she could have retrieved the stroller, walked around with it for a little bit,
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and went, "Yeah, not today. I'm going to I'm going to leave it here. going I'm going to go to a couple more places and
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I'll come back and get the stroller, but I'm not going to just push this around with me all day. And now what we have
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here is the police are called. The time the marker I have on my timeline, Captain is around 9:00 p.m. The police
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are called. They do come out. They are talking to neighbors, talking with the family. I've not seen Shannon's family
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say a bad word about the police. I have seen, not a bad word, but neighbors saying that they didn't think that the
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police were taking it very seriously until the next day. Now, this is this is why I really have a problem with that
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noon to 1:15. So, neighbors went around, they're searching for Shannon that night around
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1000 p.m. They said that everyone was very helpful and very concerned. Now, they've they're talking to police,
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right? Everyone's very helpful. Everyone's been very concerned. But they >> the neighbors, the people out searching
00:31:48
for her, they've got a problem with with two of the people that they speak with that
00:31:53
night. It's two men, two individuals. When they knocked on the root beer man's home, so he lives right across the
00:32:02
street from the Halloween man. >> This makes the story creepier, though, right? Do you agree with that? I mean,
00:32:07
you got one guy called the Halloween man. this other guy called the root beer. Man, it sounds like a story that
00:32:13
children are telling you, but these are probably nicknames that are >> thought up by children.
00:32:19
>> Well, so from my understanding, the the reason why root beer man gets his name
00:32:23
is, and this is this is absolutely creepy in my opinion. He was known to to invite neighborhood kids into his home.
00:32:32
He lived by himself to invite them into his home or to have them like do chores or work around his home.
00:32:41
>> Yeah. >> And he would either pay them or often he would give them a can of root beer as
00:32:47
payment. >> So he gets this nickname root beer man. Halloween man from my understanding it's
00:32:53
a very similar situation but he was known to hand out candy to the to the kids in the neighborhood.
00:32:58
>> Oh I'm Halloween man. Give me some candy. I would say, hey, give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they're
00:33:04
just, you know, nice guys that that are misunderstood that are handing out root beer and Halloween candy. But we'll see
00:33:10
with Root Beer Man. There's a lot of reason to have some concern here. So, Root Beer Man lives across the street
00:33:17
from Halloween Man. People got a bad vibe about him that night because they say when they knocked on his door, he
00:33:24
took forever to answer the door and he only cracked the door. He refused to open the door all the way. when asked if
00:33:30
he had seen Shannon, he said, "No, she was probably just out getting candy." That seems like a strange statement to
00:33:35
say at 10 p.m. at night that an 11year-old is probably out getting candy and that's why she's not home. And then
00:33:43
people were concerned that he took forever to answer the door. Could be simply that he was sleeping at the time.
00:33:49
They did say he was fully dressed, which which some people thought that that was
00:33:53
strange as well because he too worked early in the morning and typically would be up and out of the neighborhood early
00:34:01
in the morning to be off to work. >> Yeah, just a little over the flicky flicky.
00:34:06
>> Extensive searches of the area were done by local, state, and even federal law
00:34:10
enforcement as the days went on. Waterways were searched, dogs were used, helicopters, the whole nine yards. But
00:34:18
they couldn't find her. the uh state police were involved and as and the FBI even got involved as well, but nobody
00:34:26
really had any idea what had happened to her. Now, there was a man who had a dog
00:34:32
trained in either search and rescue or or cadaavver search. It's not fully explained and those are
00:34:40
two very different things. Handlers will know that that those are two very different things. But this man offered
00:34:46
to provide services to Shannon's family. And Shannon's father says that the dog went into Shannon's room, smelled some
00:34:56
of her clothing. The dog takes off running directly over to Root Bear Man's house,
00:35:01
>> right over to the creepy [ __ ] >> And it's stated that the dog sniffed around this trailer and tried to sniff
00:35:07
under the root beer man's trailer for around 45 minutes. Once they were able to get the dog to continue, the dog then
00:35:17
ran to the nearby forest up to the railroad tracks and over to County Road 4 and then stopped. So, I love these
00:35:27
dogs, but I've pointed out plenty of times one one problem is they can't talk. They can't tell us. When you ran
00:35:35
to those when you ran to the forest nearby and ran over to the railroad tracks, were you still following the
00:35:41
scent? >> You must be a scent dog cuz you can't freaking talk either. >> Right. But what we do know is that dog
00:35:48
seemed to show great concern for the root beer man's house and under the trailer of that house. So much so that
00:35:55
they had to they had to urge the dog to to move on. It just wanted to stay there. That's where my concern would go.
00:36:04
>> Well, why are you urging the dog to go anywhere else other than where it wants
00:36:09
to go? Isn't that the point of having the dog? >> Right. But it that's why I pointed out
00:36:13
it's different to be trained in search and rescue or to or cadaavver because if that dog's trained in search and rescue,
00:36:20
you're that dog's job is to find the person. Right. >> Right. >> If it's trained in cadaavver, it's
00:36:26
trained to find a cadaavver. Any cadaavver. But here, if it's if if it's looking for the person, you get to this
00:36:33
man's home. He not he answers the door, right? And this dog is really concerned about this home, but you've not found
00:36:41
the person you're searching for. So, you do have to kind of move on. But, but it
00:36:47
wasn't lost on anybody that this dog showed concern about this this home. This is one of those situations that
00:36:56
we've seen in made for TV movies where fictional or whether it's true crime based,
00:37:05
the whole community was constantly checking in on the news, reading the newspapers. Where is this little girl?
00:37:15
We're not just talking about Candlestick Park. We're talking about Prattville, the whole town and city of Prattville.
00:37:22
They were putting up yellow ribbons. Now, unfortunately, those yellow ribbons did bring her home, just not in the way
00:37:29
that anyone wanted, >> right? >> On October 6th, 2001. So, remember, she goes missing mid August. So, this is
00:37:41
weeks and weeks that pass. We have two rabbit hunters and forgive me if I say this wrong, but they were hunting in the
00:37:50
Itaga Wildlife Management Area. This is a public hunting area. It's about 19 miles
00:37:58
north of Prattville. They come upon an area that appeared at first to be they think that it's just like scattered
00:38:06
trash that they find in this hunting area. However, they quickly realized that they had found a body. They found
00:38:12
the body of a little girl who had been tied with a rope stuffed inside a trash bag and found with her underwear around
00:38:20
her head. And enough time has passed that they're pretty certain, unfortunately, that this is Shannon
00:38:30
Pulk, who they've everybody's been looking for for all this time. But they're going to have to confirm that.
00:38:36
And in fact, we we have the police statements that are saying, you know, we don't have another missing person that
00:38:43
even vaguely fits this description. So, we're pretty certain that it's Shannon Pulk. They do run some DNA and
00:38:51
and get confirmation that it is in fact the little girl that everybody was looking for. We need to point out here
00:38:58
that that this area to me is one of the keys to solving this case, I believe, because there are several people that
00:39:06
have gone on record saying, "I lived in Prattville, Alabama my entire life." And
00:39:11
we're not talking about 15year-old people saying this. We're talking about 50, 60 year old people saying, "I lived
00:39:17
in Prattville, Alabama my entire life. I didn't know that this area existed. this
00:39:23
this this hunting area. I I had never been there, >> right? >> It's it's like a dirt road off of a dirt
00:39:31
road off of a dirt road to get to it, >> which is a tough thing because you look
00:39:34
at these crimes where the the victims are found in remote areas and law enforcement always assumes that that
00:39:42
means it's somebody local, but I I don't necessarily believe that. You might not
00:39:47
believe it, but I'll tell you the first thing I would be doing after after they found this girl, if it were my case, I
00:39:53
would be checking for I would be cross referencing hunting licenses, >> right, >> with people that lived in her
00:40:01
neighborhood. >> Well, that definitely makes sense. >> Remember, just like just like finding
00:40:06
the Long Island serial killer, it it was as simple as who owns a truck that the witness saw
00:40:14
in this neighborhood. there was one guy and he fit the description, the physical
00:40:18
description of of a potential witness in that case, >> right? >> In this case, I would be looking for I
00:40:25
if if I if I see out of 220 homes in this trailer park, only one dude has a hunting license, I'm going to be on him
00:40:34
like white on rice. So, the the key players here, the persons of concern that stand out, and again, it's possible
00:40:42
that none of these individuals have anything to do with the murder of this little girl or or her disappearance for
00:40:51
weeks at all. But the but the people that remain key players or people of concern in this case for 20 years is the
00:41:00
Prattville police officer. He doesn't seem very likely to me, Captain, because his his kids are home the whole time,
00:41:07
right? Like, we know that he's not alone and then he leaves for work. >> Well, because the way her body was
00:41:13
discovered to me, the crime didn't take place there. It's more likely that it took place somewhere else and she was
00:41:19
transported there. >> So, I think what you're saying, >> and not that there's not other
00:41:26
possibilities, but it's like the guy's at home. He has to go to work. He tells her not to come in the house.
00:41:34
The boys never see her in the house. And so we don't have any evidence of him leaving super early and then, you know,
00:41:42
picking her up and doing something with her. The case is unsolved. So he is one of the last people that we know of
00:41:50
to see her. So he has to stay on the list until we can prove that he didn't do it.
00:41:56
>> Yeah. The the thing here I that I keep >> I want to put him at the top of the
00:42:02
list. >> No, actually I I I wouldn't discard him. I wouldn't remove him from your list,
00:42:08
but I'd put him at the very bottom because I what I see here and I look, no Sherlock Holmes, but it looks to me like
00:42:15
somebody had to conceal Shannon Pulk. >> Yes. >> And there's no nice way of saying it, so
00:42:22
I'll just say it. They had to conceal this girl either abducted and alive or or otherwise. And
00:42:34
I don't given the timeline when a when a that's a pretty solid alibi. A police officer is at work. He leaves at 1:15
00:42:45
and is very likely trying to help the investigation by saying, "Yeah, she knocked on my door. I told her to go
00:42:52
away." And then when I left for work at 1:15, I saw that stroller that was with her earlier and I didn't see her. If he
00:43:00
is involved, he's got a short window of of an hour and 15 minutes to do whatever
00:43:06
happened and conceal her, abducted and alive or otherwise. It there just doesn't seem to be enough time for any
00:43:14
of that. And he's not alone at any point in that timeline. The Halloween man is of concern. I wish I had more
00:43:22
information on this on this individual. He lived across the street from root beer man. Handed out candy to the kids
00:43:27
in the neighborhood. >> I'd love to know if any of these guys are registered sex offenders.
00:43:32
>> Well, we do have somebody on our list that is. Um so I wish that we knew more
00:43:37
about this Halloween man. He but he he is became under suspicion because of people in the neighborhood. So that does
00:43:45
hold some weight to me. >> Yeah. that he's he's rumored as being thought as could be possible. I got to
00:43:52
admit, Captain, when I found out that he handed out candy to the kids, that completely made sense why he had this
00:43:57
nickname. I was hoping that it was more of a he looked like Michael Myers situation. Um, but then I guess nobody
00:44:06
would knock on his door if that was the case. >> Ty Foster is a person that's named as a
00:44:12
person of concern. And and I'm saying a person of concern because the police have not outwardly named anybody as a
00:44:21
suspect or person of interest in this case. So let's just say person of concern. And a lot of this concern is
00:44:27
coming from individuals in the neighborhood. This is an individual that he was a neighbor of Shannon's. He lived
00:44:33
there with his wife and kids. His kids were similar age to Shannon. He frequented their I'm sorry. She frequent
00:44:40
frequented their trailer to play with his kids. Another tie to the family is that Shannon's older sister, Lisa,
00:44:47
babysat his kids. The root beer man. I say pay attention to this guy. His name is Jack Earl Gibson. He lived a
00:44:59
couple blocks from Shannon. Uh he lived on Met Street, I believe. He's the one known as Root Beer Man. He would have
00:45:06
kids do odd jobs around the trailer in his trailer. He would pay the younger kids with candy and or soda. I'm sure
00:45:14
sometimes he was paying them with money. But the reason why I say pay attention to this man is the same night that
00:45:21
Shannon goes missing, Jack Gibson is arrested for possession of child pornography. So this makes him a a
00:45:30
strange suspect, right? Like wouldn't you move him directly to the top of the list knowing
00:45:37
this? But also think of the timeline. If he's arrested that night, that means police were in his home and found the
00:45:45
stuff that night. So they had concern enough to go in or he allowed them to go in. And again, if and I firmly believe
00:45:56
she had to be concealed. Had he already made provisions to move her at another time? Was she under his trailer? Is that
00:46:06
why that dog paid so much attention to his trailer? >> Right. Did he hide her for did he
00:46:11
conceal her on his property before he moved her? >> Which I think that's what somebody did
00:46:15
here. But again, we don't know the details that the police were working with at the time. He gets problematic
00:46:22
for me because of my earlier statements of she needed to be concealed and he's he's arrested that night.
00:46:29
>> Yeah, I wish I had a better timeline on that. It's it's just stated that he was
00:46:33
arrested that night. Now, he ends up being charged with all kinds of possession. They go through his computer
00:46:42
and the the type of images and files that he had stored on his computer were of kids that were around the same age of
00:46:52
of Shannon. If you're looking to make an arrest and close out this case, unfortunately, what you're looking for
00:46:58
on this guy's computer and in his belongings in his home are images of Shannon. That's what they don't find. They find
00:47:06
images of other kids, but not of her. Now, to take this a step further, this doesn't sound like it was just something
00:47:14
where he was collecting these images off of the internet or or wherever he's getting this gross stuff from, but it it
00:47:23
sounds like he on several occasions had lured children into his home and he was physically
00:47:31
taking photographs of of kids. One thing that I want to point out about him, I think that, like I said earlier, I would
00:47:39
be cross-referencing hunting licenses with persons that live in this neighborhood. Whether those licenses are
00:47:46
active or not, that's a paper trail that police could easily find. That's something I don't have access to. We
00:47:53
here at the garage task force, we don't have access to that type of information.
00:47:58
But I can say this, his email address, I found his email address. The word hunter is in his email
00:48:07
address. >> Yeah, our task force didn't find that, but our ask force did find that
00:48:12
information. >> I'm concerned that this guy is a hunter. I'm concerned that he lives in the area.
00:48:16
I'm concerned that he has all this child sex abuse material. >> Yeah. >> Uh and pornography in his possession.
00:48:25
>> He's a creep. He's super creep root beer man and he he fits he checks a lot of boxes here
00:48:34
as a great suspect. Now I've seen several statements that this guy has been cleared
00:48:40
>> now. Yeah. Do we have DNA? Do we have fingerprints? Do we have anything? >> And look, I don't I don't I don't This
00:48:46
is not We don't need to be privy to this information, but I do get mad as hell when I see somebody that's cleared and
00:48:52
we get no explanation as to why. Now, I've heard a few different person's thoughts that live in the area, and both
00:48:59
would make sense. So, one thought is that he's been cleared either by DNA, like you just said, or that he has or
00:49:06
that his alibi is rock solid. And before we wrap up here today, make sure that you make me circle back to that cuz I I
00:49:12
got a lot of thoughts on that. But but let's continue on with these persons of concern, right?
00:49:19
We already mentioned the police officer. We mentioned Halloween man. Um, one thing that makes him a little concerning
00:49:26
too is we do know that Shannon knocked on his door close to the time that she is believed to have been abducted. But
00:49:35
we do have the witness saying that he wasn't home, that he didn't answer the door.
00:49:39
>> Like you said, root beer man lives right across the street from Halloween man. So
00:49:44
whether she's knocking on Halloween man's door or root beer man's door, they both I think equally become suspects
00:49:52
because of the proximity. Ty Foster becomes a person of concern because they found a small a very small amount of
00:50:01
blood in his home. This was collected, it was tested, it was believed to be Shannon's blood. I don't know if they
00:50:12
ever confirmed that it was 100% Shannon's blood, but we but he says to police, you know, because they're going
00:50:20
to they're they're smart. They're going to ask these questions. You try to trip these dudes up, right? You don't say,
00:50:25
"Why did why did we find this blood in your home?" No, you say, "Hey, buddy, why would we have found Shannon's blood
00:50:32
in your home, whether it's hers or not?" Right? That that's how you word that question. Try to trip this guy up. His
00:50:38
statement to police is that she she would come over to his home. Remember, she played with his kids. He her older
00:50:46
sister babysat Ty Foster's kids. So, there is an easy explanation for Shannon to have been in his home. He says on one
00:50:55
of those visits, she had a nose bleed. Shannon's mother did confirm that Shannon often got nosebleleeds. So, this
00:51:02
seems to >> make some sense. >> Maybe explain this away. It does make some sense, but then you don't love to
00:51:08
hear this at all that later he pleads guilty to charges of of assault and sodomy on a 9-year-old boy.
00:51:17
>> Jesus. >> He is somebody that remains a person of concern. You just wonder if
00:51:23
when I compare him to somebody like Root Beer Man, Root Beer Man checks a lot more boxes, I believe, than Ty Foster,
00:51:30
but but obviously you can't move off of this guy. And then of course you have the the the
00:51:36
low probability of a random abduction. And I think here we can't rule that out obviously because we we just don't know.
00:51:46
It's unsolved for a reason. But we do have statements by local kids. And this I don't want to get all weird and
00:51:56
Stephen King on you here, Captain. >> Dude, you're weird as [ __ ] bro. But I've had like this case gives me a
00:52:04
really weird and uneasy feeling. I mean, of course, any child abduction, murder case should make us all feel
00:52:14
something very strange, depressed, what have you. But there's something about this case that almost feels like like it
00:52:22
cannot be solved. And I don't mean because of police or because of of the actions of the perpetrator. There just
00:52:28
feels like there's something out in the in the ether. I don't know. Like I can't
00:52:33
explain it, but there seems to be something preventing this case from being solved. And when I first got this
00:52:41
uneasy feeling was because of the next detail here is that we had a couple of kids who gave a a description of a
00:52:50
person that they said that Shannon was last seen to be speaking with. I hesitate to know how much time to spend
00:52:57
on this next detail because years later, we're told by the authorities to disregard
00:53:06
that sketch that that that it's not part of the case, that it that it may have been simply a hoax or that they were
00:53:13
given bad information, right? But part of that part of that information that came from teenagers, this was teenagers
00:53:23
that gave the information to police was that she was seen spotted talking to this
00:53:30
individual near where the bus would pick up the kids to go to school. This could point more towards a random
00:53:41
stranger abduction or it could also point to somebody that maybe lives in the larger community of
00:53:47
Prattville but not in the trailer park community because I have to wonder did they come up with
00:53:58
this idea because was there someone that would stop and talk to the kids at the bus stop? That's very possible. A lot of
00:54:07
creep >> because that's part of the story that that this was an individual that that
00:54:11
may have stopped on more than one occasion and talked to kids at the bus stop. >> Well, if you're looking for kids, the
00:54:16
bus stop is a good place to find them. >> So, part of that let's let's include this here because I this could still be
00:54:22
important. Again, we we were told eventually to disregard that sketch. Supposedly, there are
00:54:29
witnesses that saw Shannon talking to a stranger on the day of the abduction. They claimed that Shannon was speaking
00:54:35
to a man in a red Jeep Wrangler or a red Jeep with a soft black top. She It was said that she Shannon seemed to be
00:54:45
familiar with this person. There was also word of a white sedan spotted in the area that day that was dirty that
00:54:54
had a braided license plate uh like a metal braided license plate holder. That was part of the description.
00:55:03
The the description of this man is pretty detailed. Uh kind of a a square shaped head.
00:55:11
>> Spongebob >> with facial hair. >> Nope. >> Goatee down to a beard. Short dark hair.
00:55:18
A tan male. White male. >> Well, what I wonder, and I don't know if law enforcement has come out and said
00:55:24
anything, they're saying disregard the sketch. Are they saying disregard this this these eyewitnesses altogether?
00:55:32
Because it's such a detailed description of the individual, the description of their car, it seems like law enforcement
00:55:39
would have figured out who this individual was and they would have talked to him. So the information I have
00:55:44
is that simply that years later the persons that provided this information to police recanted the statements
00:55:54
and even told law enforcement that the the sketch was made up. >> Strange. Why would you make why would
00:56:01
you make this [ __ ] up? >> Right. And these are not like these are not like adults that had a that had
00:56:07
reason to point the finger elsewhere, right? to, hey, don't look at me too much because you should be looking for
00:56:13
this guy in this Jeep or this white sedan. Here's what he looks like. This is coming from from youngsters at the
00:56:21
time. And again, that's why I not to get all Stephen King on you, but I there's just like some some like dark force I
00:56:28
feel like that is preventing this case from being I don't know. I I know I'm not making
00:56:33
any sense, but I can't I've had that like weight on my chest all week long, and I don't know how to describe it. A
00:56:38
couple things here. It could be and probably most likely it's a pedo. It's a creep.
00:56:45
>> Oh, >> couldn't control their urges. >> But then you get this weird eyewitness,
00:56:52
very detailed report coming from teenagers like you said, why would they be making stuff up? Well,
00:57:00
maybe something bad happened. Maybe. And that that's not out of the realm of possibilities because yes, hunters would
00:57:09
know about very weird remote locations, but who else knows about weird remote locations?
00:57:19
Kids and teenagers. >> Yeah. >> That's something if you're law enforcement, you have to question why
00:57:24
did these kids make this up? >> Yeah. Well, exactly. And the the other thing though we need to keep in mind is
00:57:32
what at its simplest form makes your best suspect. Well, it's one a person that that was around
00:57:41
in the area with Shannon at some point that day and two had the ability to sorry but there's no nice way of saying
00:57:51
this discard her body in that location that is miles and miles away. Right. Th So those two things have to happen for
00:58:01
your good suspect. Now I want to point out here this root beer man, he worked in he was
00:58:12
a maintenance man at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Montgomery, Alabama. I This is a this is a call to
00:58:21
action. This is a little homework for any of our listeners out there. if anybody in the area knows where this guy
00:58:30
worked beyond this. I I'm trying to really I know that that's a pretty good description of where he worked, but if
00:58:37
anybody has more information about where he worked. I there is a a possible lead
00:58:42
on this case that that that could be a connection could be made here if we had more information about his employment at
00:58:51
this time. The reason why, okay, he could have been ruled out by DNA. And our listeners are out there, we we're
00:58:57
lucky because we live in the golden age of using DNA to solve these cases, genealogy, detective work. And I'm sure
00:59:03
there's a few listeners out there going, "Okay, if they ruled him out by DNA, that means they have suspect DNA in the
00:59:09
case. Why aren't they just using genealogy work to get a surname and then figure out a suspect from there?"
00:59:16
Hopefully, I have my hands together in the praying motion that that is going on behind the scenes right now and they're
00:59:23
close to finding this dirt bag. But we could also have a situation where the DNA is not great
00:59:31
and it's just enough to exclude people but not really hone in on the the person responsible.
00:59:40
Now, we don't have any confirmation of why the statement of this child pornography collecting dirt bag that's
00:59:50
taking pictures of kids as well living in the neighborhood handing out root beer.
00:59:55
>> Yeah. >> To to kids when they come into his trailer. We don't have any statement
01:00:00
from law enforcement as to why this dude was ruled out other than he's been eliminated. Now, I I I have concern of
01:00:08
that because here's where my fear is. If they didn't use DNA, if they didn't use
01:00:13
science to eliminate this guy, there's got to be a detective in this agency that's going, "Come on, guys. Let's take
01:00:22
another look at this dude." Because the other rumor that I've heard is that he was ruled out due to an alibi, that he
01:00:28
was at work all day and so he was not in the area. Remember, we said that two things have to happen for your good
01:00:35
suspect. He has to be in the area at the time that she went missing and has to have the ability to transport her all
01:00:43
that way away to to try to hide the body. Okay. So, he was at work all day. That's great. That works if you are
01:00:52
correct in your belief that she went missing during that 1 hour and 15 minute window that they've created.
01:01:00
If that window is wrong, if you guys are wrong about that, you can't eliminate him.
01:01:06
>> Absolutely not. >> If you if you take that timeline back out to what you were originally working
01:01:12
with, that between noon and 7:30 was your time of concern, he could have been back home and in the area well before
01:01:20
7:30, but still not in the area to meet that noon to 1:15 window. You see what I'm getting at with that? That's why I I
01:01:28
hope that they've not eliminated persons because they were at work at 1:15 that afternoon,
01:01:36
>> right? >> Because there could be there could be a situation where she's not abducted until
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after that 1:15 timeline, that marker there. And the other thing that that brings up some great questions
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here, right? Time of day. Who has access? Who who's just out and about that time of day? That's this is middle
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of the week. This is a Thursday. That plays a part here, I believe. The other thing, too, that you have to
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wonder about is the time of year. This is about a week or so before they would start school.
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So, who's not working in the summertime? Somebody had to have access to to get her at that time. Whatever time of day
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that was, they had to have access to actually to getting her. There's a lot of mystery with this case. Now, root
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beer man, Jack Gibson, he he has served his time. He he faced a lot of charges. He served his time. He's I believe he's
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moved out of the area. As said though, I think I'm going off of the idea because
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he the word hunter is in his email address that that he was at one time a hunter uh and therefore may have known
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of this area where the body was disposed of. I have a lot of trouble moving on from this guy.
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>> Well, that's cuz he was your high school sweetheart. >> And I I'm not law enforcement and I'm
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not certainly not qualified to say who should be cleared and not cleared in this case. Well, what's tough is we have
01:03:08
a pretty good timeline. We have a lot of individuals in this neighborhood that search for her. We
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have a handful of suspects. Her body is recovered. We're not privy to what other what other
01:03:24
evidence was retrieved by law enforcement. But with all these years later, you think
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they give us a list, like a updated list of individuals they've ruled out or ruled in? Well, and this is a big-time
01:03:39
case there. This remains a case that is hyperfocused on by law enforcement and locals even more than 20 years later.
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So, that is one thing that is glass half full here. Now, another thing that I want to point out is Jim Baird. This is
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the one-time mayor of Prattville. He was, in fact, he was the mayor for 12 years and was the mayor at the time that
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she went missing and that was later found. But Jim Bayard, he's on record very recently saying, quote, "One of the
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things we have got going on right now is we have another state that we've been working with and also a federal agency
01:04:22
that is working with us to review all the information on Shannon's case." Again, it goes on to say that is one of
01:04:31
those things that we are talking about trying to link a case in another state to Shannons and that's what we are going
01:04:40
to see if they are linked. It could have been nationwide. He's talking about kids
01:04:46
getting snatched. could be nationwide and somebody else was invol, you know, somebody was involved that that was
01:04:54
moving about or it could be somebody that was going through the state. He says, "We don't know. We're hoping that
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one of those cases outside of the state might be of help to Shannon's case." As said, this is very much on the hearts
01:05:11
and minds of local law enforcement and even law enforcement at the state level. The FBI has been involved. This is a
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horribly heartbreaking case. I'm hoping that somebody out there somewhere knows something. Tom Allen
01:05:27
from the Prattville Police Department is on record. He he's the lead, I believe,
01:05:33
current lead on this case. He has said that they still receive tips and they still receive information and they still
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have people reach out that want to help about this case, help with this case. So, that's also something in the
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positive as well. For those of you out there or anyone out there with any information at all on Shannon Pulk's
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case, we urge you to call Prattville CSI Sergeant Tom Allen at 334595256. [Music]
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for telling your mother. And until next week, be good, be kind, and don't live. Heat. Heat.
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