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foreign Little Miss Colorado six-year-old murder victim JonBenet Ramsey unknown Intruder
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her brother [Music] [Applause] [Music] JonBenet Ramsey God they still have not interviewed the
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parents [Music] didn't do it anybody [Music] my life has been held from that type of
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work and I want nothing more than find out who was responsible for this [Music] it's been over 20 years since JonBenet
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Ramsey was murdered inside her home and still to this day we are looking for the
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killer we are looking for who did this now the experts who have looked at this case over the years there are some that
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point toward the Intruder Theory as it has become known proponents of the Intruder Theory include A and E who did
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their documentary on the JonBenet case as well as famous retired FBI agent John Douglas and retired law enforcement
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officer Lou Smith the John Douglas believes that there was an intruder and that the motive for the killing was
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something against John Ramsey somebody had an ax to grind against John Ramsay maybe this was Revenge had it out for
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John and Patsy we don't know but that's part of his theory Lou Smith on the other hand believes in the Intruder
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Theory as well with a slight variation he believes that we are looking for somebody that was
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sexually motivated that this was a pedophile that broke into the home with the sole purpose of sexually assaulting
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this young girl attempting to kidnap her but unsuccessfully now we've put together a list of potential suspects in
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this case so let's get into some of these suspects and some of the interesting weirdos in this case and I'd
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like to start off with a man named JT Koufax AKA James Michael Thompson he was 34 years old back in 1997 when he was
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arrested in June this for deciding to set fire to the Ramses unoccupied home on 15th Street
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he did this as he says not because he had anything against the Ramses but because he wanted to get back at the
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authorities he attempted to set fire to the home by lighting newspapers and pages from Anne Rice's famous book
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Interview with a Vampire he likes these things on fire and then he's stuffing them through the mail slot at the
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Ramsay's home his plan failed due to the general construction of the home the floor from my understanding is marble
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and so the burning Pages once stuffed through the slot land on the marble floor and lay there until burning out
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this did however manage to leave a good amount of soot on the walls and the ceiling okay so if JT Colfax AKA James
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Michael Thompson didn't do this because he had it out for the Ramses well what was his beef with
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the authorities Colfax was employed as a cadaver transporter by a Denver company
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this occupation in kofax's actions will lead to two other arrests one for when he had a call to go to the
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Boulder County Morgue for a pickup while he was waiting around he noticed the log
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book and the entry with jonbenet's name on it he tore the sheet out of the log book and took some additional Pages as
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well this would lead to a theft charge for stealing pages from a Coroner's logbook
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showing the arrival of jonbenet's body at the county Morgue his other arrest came when he attempted to walk out of a
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photo processing store without paying for the roles of photos he picked up the photos turn out to be pictures of
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corpses with party favors and signs attached to the bodies with phrases such as getting fired isn't the end of the
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world or Yeehaw and happy birthday he called the photos works of art he served time for all of these charges
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this is somebody that's very strange with some very strange actions and behaviors that seem to be circling
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around this case I don't believe that he has ever been officially named a suspect Captain next
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we have Gary Olivia he's 32 year old sex offender living in Boulder Colorado when
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JonBenet was killed um the convicted pedophile had been living in the area on and off in 2000 Gary was arrested for a
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drug charge when searching the man police find a magazine cut out of JonBenet Ramsey in his backpack
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according to Rolling Stone magazine the Ramsay's private investigator Ollie gray
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once referred to Olivia's ties to JonBenet as a quote bombshell arrest in the case and lambasted the boulder PD
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for failing to consider him a more credible suspect soon after Olivia's high school friend
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Michael Vale stepped forward with an allegation supporting Gray's suspicion Vale claimed that not long after the
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murder a distrau Olivia called him on the phone and confessed to his longtime pal that he quote hurt a
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little girl I thought he actually caught him on the 26th Vale makes some strong claims about Olivia and I'm not going to
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go into all of them but they are well they're disturbing to say the least Vale also said that in his opinion the
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knots for the garat that strangled JonBenet were similar to those used in an incident where Olivia attempted to
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choke his mother to death with a telephone cord and when Gary Olivia was arrested they also found in his
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possession a stun gun several experts on this case have said after viewing photos
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of jonbenet's body that the attacker may have used a stun gun to subdue and control the child Olivia has a rest for
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possessing child pornography as well Olivia by his own admission lived about eight blocks away from the Ramses
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and was seen and photographed at the one-year Memorial vigil held for JonBenet in front of the Ramsey's
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Boulder Home yeah he's not hard to pick out because he looks like the creep he looks like a guy that when you close
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your eyes and go okay what what kind of guy do I picture that's been convicted of these types of charges you go oh and
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you open up your eyes and you see his picture you go yeah that that makes sense yeah he's he's a creepy but also
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scary looking man in my opinion yeah he's not a guy that some of these Torpedoes you go hey leave me in a room
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with that guy I'll take care of him this guy you might not want to be locked in the room with him
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well and I didn't go into all of vale's allegations against what type of person and what this dude
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is capable of right because it's very disturbing in in some shocking things to hear but what I can say is this is an
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individual that if Veil is correct that if his allegations are in fact true then
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this man is very violent and very violent towards those weaker than him towards people that are
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and animals that are just kind of defenseless wasn't there rumors that he had a shrine to JonBenet I saw those
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rumors as well the only thing that I could back up was the statement that there was a picture on his person at the
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time of his arrest of JonBenet that had been cut out of a magazine I couldn't verify this elsewhere but according to
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Rolling Stone magazine they say he's been cleared by DNA testing for the JonBenet murder yes this famous DNA
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right next up Captain we have a man named Michael helgoth they call him boot man or simply boots he's another
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potential suspect this according to ollie gray remember the Ramsay's private investigator
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Michael helgoth who worked in a nearby auto salvage yard he was apparently in some kind of property dispute with the
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Ramses now this could be one of many motivating factors for this when the then 26 year old man went to seek
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revenge against John Ramsey in 1997 the boulder district attorney delivered a speech at a press conference
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complete with the promise of justice for JonBenet and that this case will be solved he pointed out that they have
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suspects and as law enforcement continues to work their investigation that list of suspects will shrink until
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there is just one left you speaking to the killer this was a powerful announcement scripted with carefully
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chosen words letting the killer know that the boulder D.A was zeroing in on a new suspect helgoth according to his
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co-worker at the time of the murder this is John Kennedy he says helgoth exhibited a bevy of
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disturbing behaviors everyone the details he was known for what I call severe cruelty to animals he
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once said to Kennedy I wonder what it would be like to crack a skull now anybody that's listened to our JonBenet
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autopsy episode knows exactly what we are hinting at here in November of 1996 he told his
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co-worker that he and an associate were going to make 50 to 60 thousand dollars each remember the ransom note was for
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one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars total then after Christmas helgoth seemed depressed
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and his co-worker says he thinks he was depressed because he did not make this large amount of
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money that he was talking about in November yeah because on the side he would buy old vehicles and restore him
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so they had these plans to buy certain vehicles and well now he didn't have the money the the money didn't come in that
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he was claiming he was going to get so if he stood to make fifty or sixty thousand dollars from some kind of
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unknown business adventure then right but he said you know we could buy up all these cars and turn it into
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even more money is what you're saying right oddly enough and this could just be a coincidence it
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could be something incredibly important but the day after the D.A speech that says we are zeroing in on a suspect
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helgoth he turns up dead after his death police searched his things and photos of his well let's just
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go back because most people believe it was a suicide but because of certain pieces of evidence
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it could lead somebody to believe that it was possibly murder and set up to look like a suicide correct when they're
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searching his items they're searching photos of his police saw two things of particular interest one a stun gun and
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two a pair of black high-tech brand boots this is believed that they would have matched or possibly matched one of
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two sets of unidentified footprints found in the Ramsey's basement even more disturbing within helgas Video
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Collection was a news station story about an unsolved murder seemingly hidden in the middle of a movie Law
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Enforcement stated that the video plays along and then boom in the middle of this movie
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it breaks to like news coverage it all of a sudden has news coverage on there from Channel 4 regarding the abduction
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and murder of a five-year-old girl who was found stuffed into a sleeping bag in Deer Creek Canyon this case is from
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1993. now as you were getting to here Captain this is the time for the speculation and something that many
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people have offered their opinions on over the years the belief is officials found an
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unidentified boot print and an unidentified shoe print at the crime scene and helgoth owned boots that would
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match that print helgoth caught wind that he was a suspect and decided to take his own life
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committing suicide just a day after the 1997 press conference the famous press conference where district attorney Alex
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Hunter says I want to say something to the person or persons that committed this crime the person or persons that
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took this baby from us I mention the list of suspects Narrows and soon there will only be one left on the list and it
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will be you you have stripped us of any Mercy we may have had in the beginning of this case we will see that Justice is
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served in this case and that you pay for what you did many people believe that the district attorney was hinting at the
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idea of seeking the death penalty for whoever is responsible for this murder and this could scare the offender even
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more so the thought and speculation here captain his death his suicide being a further
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sign of guilt that he was close or felt that he was close to being apprehended so what if helgoth was a suspect then
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what if he did as many believe some people suggested he could have had an accomplice
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well if so then many point toward John Stephen gigix being the accomplice John a man with a criminal record that court
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documents summarized as violence and a history of sexual assault what makes this Theory even more
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complicated is the suggestion Helga did not commit suicide but was killed by someone maybe gigix this to prevent
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helgoth from confessing during the interrogation or from turning himself in and then singing like a bird and turning
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in his accomplice as well well I think of the crime scene they found the gun in his subdominant
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hand not his dominant hand yeah so he shot himself and he shot himself in the chest or somebody shot him in the chest
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and placed the gun in his hand it's also a weird place to shoot yourself if you're trying to kill yourself correct
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now gigix in his defense and by all accounts that I could find Captain of his own free will
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he was the one that reached out and contacted Boulder authorities and he says he provided them with documentation
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that proves he was not in Boulder Colorado on December 25th 1996. right but let's think about this
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for a second he's running around saying that he's going to get some money coming
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to some money possibly 50 to 60 000 that would put us at the 118 Mark that's in the ransom note
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so he's not getting this money from his partner it doesn't seem like maybe they're being hired by somebody else so
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maybe possibly the person that was going to hire them since it was about botch job and was afraid that maybe they would
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go to authorities that they got rid of him and then the partner that was involved contacts the police because
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he's afraid that the same thing that happened into how Garth is going to happen to him
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yeah the the problem with helgoth is there's so much speculation around him regarding I mean everything about the
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guy one is he even connected two did he ever think he was a suspect right three did
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he commit suicide for I mean people commit suicide for a million different reasons
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or was he murdered by somebody to cover it could have covered anything up well one of the reasons why he is a pretty
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big suspect in a lot of people's eyes when they're looking at this case is because seeing is believing it's good
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to be seen and it's good to see you and when you see the pictures from either the suicide scene
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or a murder scene you see this stun gun you see the boots that possibly match the prince found in
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the Ramsay's home so I think just by seeing it you go oh well there it is it's right in front of
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us possibly I think the problem here with helgoth is again the speculation involved and in the leaps you have to
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make to make him a really good suspect one we have no confirmation that a stun gun was used in the attack against
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JonBenet at all it's just correct that in itself is speculation so but right but what I'm stating is once you see at
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this suicide scene or or this murder scene oh there's a stun gun in the picture there there's the high-tech boots in the
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picture I think that's why people have been able to make other leaps because they can see something and seeing is
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believing well what you're seeing there is evidence that you cannot exclude him yeah as a suspect you're seeing things
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that point to possible reasons that would make him a suspect if in fact those puzzle pieces fit somewhere we
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can't confirm that they fit regarding the boots themselves and the unidentified boot print or shoe print
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that was found in the Ramsay's basement that's very troubling that we have unidentified shoe prints in the Ramsey's
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basement we have people that that fight and argue about was it Intruder was it an inside job
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you could take those unidentified prints and make an argument for either side of
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that argument you you there were so many people in the basement the people coming
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in and out be it before the murder or after because we have a contaminated crime scene that it could be
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the the prince mean nothing right but the prince could also Point toward a possible Intruder the the the trouble
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again with helgoth is just one more factoid in there is that we don't have a confirmed
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size for this boot print there's no there's nobody out there that has said they were absolutely this size
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in fact it has been ruled that they could not determine the size the exact size of the blueprint so would in fact
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those boots even match up with that print and again with this famous DNA I believe they've asked the family
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of how goth to cooperate and and let them try to get some DNA to test and I believe they have said no
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I'm glad you threw that in there because this is one thing that we've run into with this case it's been reported so
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many times over the more than 20 years now and reported so many different ways by
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so many different sources it's tough to keep things straight sometimes and one thing that I found extremely troubling
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in regards to Michael helgoth is several sources in print say he's been cleared by DNA and I I throw that back
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at the wall to see if it sticks and I don't know that it sticks because I wonder if if truly if the jury is out if
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still out on this one because not every Source states that he has been cleared well in fact in fact as you pointed out
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I have some sources that say they they're seeking DNA they're seeking more evidence on this particular suspect yeah
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it's very interesting I was telling you that Lou Smith's family has taken the list of suspects that he
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basically was narrowing down his search and they've been asking those individuals to submit DNA a lot of them
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have and based off that DNA they've been able to clear that individual or based off more investigative work they've been
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able to clear that individual so it's interesting that his family decided to keep going with his work and and
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believing in this work even though they don't come from law enforcement background and in that documentary I was
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watching about the family going after new suspects that's what it stated that they have already asked for the DNA and
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have been denied it by the family so but again a lot of these documentaries put in whatever evidence they want to go
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with their narrative foreign [Music] cheers mates cheers to you Captain this week we are drinking Christmas Ale by
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this year and if you've donated and not heard your name we will get to you in the new year now Captain we are on the
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trail of the possible Intruder into the Ramsey home that may have killed JonBenet Ramsey
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and if we're talking Intruders well we would be remiss to not talk about possible Santa
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Claus coming down the chimney into the Ramsey home and killing this young innocent girl
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we are referencing of course Bill McReynolds who is now deceased he was a friend of the Ramses who dressed up like
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Santa Claus to entertain the neighborhood children this at Several of Patsy's famous Christmas Gatherings he
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went as far to introduce himself as Santa Bill and liked when people called him Santa Bill if you think he makes a
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good suspect and if you like the Santa Claus Theory the theory may go something like this this is from Rolling Stone
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McReynolds was rumored to have paid a little too much attention to JonBenet going so far as to arrange a secret
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visit from Santa Claus this after Christmas now this is complete speculation we know that JonBenet
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referenced a secret visit from Santa Claus after Christmas right we don't know that if that means it was Bill
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McReynolds Santa bill that set this up supposedly he wanted JonBenet to be his quote special
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friend going so far as to bring a vial of glitter gifted to him by the six-year-old with him into heart surgery
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even stranger he asked his wife to mix the gold glitter in with his ashes if he were to die
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this particular story generated Buzz In The Denver Post but failed to amount to anything more than what many have called
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the sensationalized character assassination of a friendly old man that's what they say but I say let's
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look at this a little more closely because I think some people will see more than just a sensationalized
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character assassination Bill McReynolds is a retired Colorado University journalism professor he retired in 1992.
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he was about 66 years old when JonBenet was killed he grew his beard long so a natural long white beard this was when
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he signed up to play a role in a local play then later he was hired by Marilyn house to play Santa at the mall he
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played Santa for the Ramses in 1994 95 and 96 at their parties he had bypass surgery on August 23 1996.
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he and his wife Janet were invited by the Ramses to attend jonbenet's memorial service
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some Publications state that JonBenet gave Mick Reynolds a tour of the Ramsey home in 1995. some Publications say 1996
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either way what seems to be clear here apparently this did happen the only thing in question is which year yeah and
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I would argue that it's possible that it happened both years hey Santa let me show you the
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house again one report I found Captain says that JonBenet called Bill old Sam now another story that would have the
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year in question is JonBenet gave him a vial of glitter that she said was Stardust
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he would later say in all of the years he played Santa and for all the kids that he saw throughout that time she was
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the only one to give him a gift again some Publications say she gave him the Stardust in 95 some say 96 one
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publication which I think could in fact have it correct says this happened on two occasions once in 95 and again in 96
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it would have happened had to have happened in 95 for the story about his heart surgery to be correct his Alibi
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for the night in question was he was sleeping he went to bed at 10 pm now Captain I think he and his wife were at
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their Mountain Home like a weekend vacation home this would have been about 30 miles away this Alibi was
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investigated by many The Alibi includes more than just his wife at least five other people would have been present
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that night here's where things get strange the McReynolds their nine-year-old daughter was kidnapped on the day after
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Christmas December 26 1974. 22 years before quick with the math then we also have Janet McReynolds
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his wife she wrote a play called Hey rube the play is a fictional account of the basement murder of 16 year old
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Sylvia Likens in Indianapolis Indiana well hold on a second so the daughter is kidnapped with her friend
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and I believe the friend was actually molested and the daughter witnessed that but the daughter herself was not
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molested and both were let go yes and this was never solved and then two years later his wife will write this play
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that's based off a a different uh crime correct and people Point toward the basement murder of a young girl as being
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a connection here right what was the motivation for writing the the play are these two factors are they
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coincidence or just too much to be a coincidence I would actually cross the second one
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out this Janet writing the play about the murder teen who was killed in a basement
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and I state that because that case it's a real life case and it's extremely famous case at least two books are
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written about the case and then later in 2007 the film in american crime was released this is a very good movie
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disturbing and haunting that is about the life and murder of Sylvia Likens we should point out too that other than
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being a child Sylvia was 16 and being killed in a basement the murders could not be more different Sylvia's case was
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quickly solved she was not killed in her basement she was staying or living with
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a caregiver who turned out to be a sadistic old and evil woman and she and her children along with some of their
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friends killed Sylvia shortly after the memorial service for JonBenet Bill and Janet went to Spain so this made them
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very difficult to interview for police this was a long trip the McReynolds say they were not hiding from anyone they
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didn't run away to Spain in fact the Spain trip was a coincidence they had they proved that the trip was planned
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and booked well in advance this being in June of 1996. John Ramsey suggested that
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maybe Bill McReynolds dressed as Santa fed JonBenet pineapple the night that she was killed and that he sat next to
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her while she ate and he drank a cup of tea we point to this because we know from
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some of the crime scene photographs that they photographed a bowl of what appears
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to be pineapple on the table and nearby you have what appears to be a cup of tea yeah it's got the little the
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little tea bag down in the cup yeah and we don't have fingerprints on the bowl we don't have JonBenet Ramsey's
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fingerprints on the bowl but we do have a pineapple like substance that was found in her stomach so we know at some
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point of that evening she ate pineapple and then the parents claim they never fed her pineapple before she went to bed
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and apparently bill was known to drink hot tea well I I actually believe it's could be a little bit easier than that
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because if we have a six-year-old girl that I believe is on the 23rd or 24th I'm not really for sure but when she
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gets in the argument with her friend's mom and says Santa Claus is going to visit
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me of course he's going to visit you he visits every kid on Christmas no the good ones yeah no no she says
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after Christmas a special visit to me this is the thing in the case that has always been so odd and so is it possible
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that she fell asleep on the ride home from all the parties she's a little six-year-old girl she's tired she falls
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asleep and then she wakes up and she goes oh tonight Santa Claus is going to come visit me and so she went
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downstairs on her own fed herself pineapple waiting for this visit from Santa Claus I I agree with
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you 100 I mean the this is one of the more odd details within this story it's one of the very few items within the
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story that's almost foreshadowing that something very bad is about to happen it just
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doesn't it's something that that in hindsight makes sense that it that it lines up and it's it's Eerie it truly is
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I put this in the same category as the the Phantom 9-1-1 call that came from their Christmas party right now bill was
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not without his own Secrets he regularly visited adult bookstores this unbeknownst to his wife
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John Ramsey suggested that sbtc and the ransom note Ransom letter as I would call it could actually be
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sbjc which he said could stand for Santa Bill Janet Clause but but hold on a second too uh Janet
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his wife is a movie critic that that's one of the things she writes for the paper so it doesn't have to be
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Santa Bill Janet Clause it could still be sbtc and some people think that means Santa Bill the critic interesting I I
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like trying to figure out what sbtc or maybe it is sbjc which I agree with you you when you look at it on the paper
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it's possible that it could be the intention was to write a J not a t I think it's fascinating to try to
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figure out what that could stand for however I think none of them that I have heard none none
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that anyone has pointed out have have I gone oh that's interesting every one of them seem to be a leap like just a weird
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connecting words that I don't think should be connected yeah but I mean look at the BTK Strangler
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BTK what the heck does that mean we'd have no clue what that meant until we have the actual killer coming out and
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stating this is what that means right when the McReynolds returned to Boulder from Spain they cooperated with the
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police in the way of submitting fingerprints blood hair and handwriting samples later Boulder D.A Mary Lacy says
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that she had McReynolds as her prime suspect for a Time his handwriting is listed as
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questionable but his DNA is not a match according to a candyrose.com which has a
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large database on this case yeah but there's also some speculation that his DNA was never collected so it again it's
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one of those details in this case that you can't find the correct answer one article does state that the handwriting
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sample quote eliminated Bill McReynolds again as you just pointed out there are many details within this story that are
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argued different ways now we do know that the Ramses by their own admission hired a private
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investigator I'm sorry private investigators to watch Bill's house for some time so the Ramses obviously not
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only just John's statements but also the actions of the Ramses paying people to watch bill and his home for a period of
00:35:10
time next Captain we have Santa's son Jesse McReynolds he was interesting to police because of
00:35:19
his police record he served two and a half years in an Arizona prison for aggravated robbery
00:35:26
and kidnapping and he has an unverifiable alibi for the night in question Jesse lives in Nederland
00:35:36
Colorado this is about a 30-minute drive to Boulder Jesse says he was home alone
00:35:43
that night drinking scotch and then he took some of his prescription medication and he went to bed that night Scotch
00:35:50
Scotch Scotch Scotch I love Scotch Home Alone that night he he has provided police with fingerprints blood and
00:35:59
handwriting samples Steve Thomas a detective that we've referenced many times who worked the
00:36:06
case right says that the handwriting sample eliminated Jesse McReynolds that's in his opinion or provided to him
00:36:14
by the experts hired by the D.A let's stay on Santa bill for a little bit because this kidnapping 22 years
00:36:23
on the same day it just seems very fishy and it also seems very fishy to me that his daughter
00:36:34
and her friend were taken we now have a sexual assault on a minor but not to his daughter
00:36:44
and I would think that in this case that's not solved the parents would be suspects just like
00:36:52
they would be in the Ramsey case so I like that as a key piece of evidence the other thing too is I can't get over
00:37:02
the fact that a six-year-old is saying that Santa Claus is going to visit her after Christmas
00:37:07
that same six-year-old is found in her basement dead and that she has a relationship probably
00:37:14
too close of a relationship with a man that is a family friend that plays Santa Claus then when you get this
00:37:22
odd Ransom note seems like we have a lot of movie references well who's going to watch a lot of
00:37:29
movies a movie critic who's gonna probably watch those movies with his critic wife
00:37:37
the husband Santa Bell the other thing that I find odd is that Santa Bell would carry around these
00:37:44
stuffed animals with him they were like his helpers and most of the time they were dressed in Christmasy outfits and
00:37:51
there was a bear that was found on JonBenet Ramsey's bed you can see it in the crime scene photos now supposedly
00:37:58
this bear has gone missing since and uh I looked for days because I thought this
00:38:06
was as important as JonBenet saying that she's going to be visited by Santa Claus after Christmas
00:38:14
now One Source that I found said that this bear was actually bought for remember
00:38:20
how she won Miss Christmas yeah they said that a lot of the people participating got these Santa Claus
00:38:30
bears but these bears look very similar to the Bears that Saint uh Santa bill would carry around and they even asked
00:38:39
his son about him hey you see this bear doesn't this look kind of like what your
00:38:45
dad carries around he's like that looks pretty much identical to something he would carry around so I find that odd
00:38:53
what another thing about Santa bill is when you're asleep and yes you're 30 miles away so you have to get in your
00:39:02
car that's a long drive if everybody else is asleep as long as you get back before they wake
00:39:08
up you're good to go so I don't really count that as a solid Alibi I question The Alibi as well
00:39:17
um I mean there's more than just his wife but yeah and I wanted to point out that it was investigated by many and
00:39:24
that includes you know Boulder detectives it includes a journalist it includes the private investigators I mean it's a
00:39:34
lot of different people coming from a lot of different angles that did investigate that alibi
00:39:40
the problem is I don't know what investigated that alibi means that's the only statement given I don't have we
00:39:48
don't have confirmation that says oh these 18 different people or these different agencies all can confirm
00:39:56
without question that these five to seven people can account for bills whereabouts for the night of Christmas
00:40:05
no man it says it was investigated but I I have to believe that they by that statement that they believe it
00:40:12
to be true but I wanted a little more than than just that and then regarding his the the kidnapping of his daughter
00:40:21
and her friend 22 years to the day right again it's another situation one because it's 1974. there's very little
00:40:32
information about that particular crime other than it's unsolved so I don't know
00:40:36
if they had reason to believe that they knew who did it or if they had a really good suspect in that case
00:40:44
and likely there's a chance that if the other girl was the one that was molested
00:40:50
she may may have been in fact the the target it's it's but the the thing that you
00:40:56
can't get over and if anybody tells me that they can get get over it let's sit down and have a beer because
00:41:04
22 years to the day there's 365 days in a year and it happens on the same date that's just freaking weird to me it
00:41:13
sounds like something that you would see in a movie or or a fix fictionalized version of of some kind of crime
00:41:23
right and but to call the Santa Bill uh a pedophile I don't think we have any no
00:41:29
you're right we have no evidence of that that would be way out of bounds right but it's also
00:41:36
but he's creepy to me man he's creepy but on top of that right but on top of that we know with pedophiles they put
00:41:43
themselves in situations to be around children which he is doing and the fact that he also
00:41:49
would be going to adult stores video stores to me I don't have a problem with that
00:41:58
my issue is the fact that your wife didn't know about it that becomes creepy to me the thing
00:42:06
that's that's odd about that to me is that he like he doesn't try to hide this from the police
00:42:13
I think they found out on their own and they present it to him and he he was embarrassed but they they're they
00:42:20
say his reaction wasn't that of somebody that's guilty of anything more than that
00:42:25
particular action they believed he was just embarrassed one for for other people knowing this
00:42:32
and his statement to them now mind you this is not been released to the public as far as
00:42:38
the details go but his generalized statement to the detectives was that he has some type of
00:42:46
fantasy that that he's not his wife is unaware of that it's something that he's he's been into for a long time and kids
00:42:56
what's that I was gonna say like kids go ahead well I don't know what that would what the fantasy is my guess is
00:43:05
that the detectives do being he's purchasing things at an adult bookstore they usually don't they don't
00:43:15
sell things that involve children I mean uh so we we know that but I also have to wonder is his fantasy
00:43:23
something that that the detectives did not find to be relevant to the case yeah I mean because when you could have some
00:43:30
homosexual tendencies or or fantasies and and then they go well that doesn't line up
00:43:38
but again where's the evidence of whatever he's stating and like you said yes they don't sell
00:43:46
child pornography at adult bookstores but if you're if you're making claims to throw them off the scent in any way
00:43:56
how's this backed up and then we have this situation again where if JonBenet Ramsey ate pineapple with
00:44:06
the intruder that the Intruder would be somebody that she would have known and also felt
00:44:12
comfortable with and I also think what a great way to show up in your Sanic outfit and
00:44:20
therefore even if John or Patsy woke up yeah you're a little odd and yeah it would take some
00:44:30
discussing and they might never invite you back to their house but you could go well I told her I was going to visit her
00:44:37
so I just I I got a key and I was just going to let myself in and leave her a gift
00:44:44
and even though they claim that these bears were bought for this pageant I can't confirm that other than just
00:44:52
some simple line on some internet uh thread and to me it's very odd that there's
00:44:59
this bear that neither one of the parents know about and now it's missing and we have a police department that I
00:45:08
think was so focused on putting this on the parents that they didn't do a good enough job
00:45:16
working on these other suspects I also think with the handwriting samples we don't have any fingerprints or DNA that
00:45:26
I know of on the letters so we can assume that this individual is writing these letters with some kind of
00:45:33
glove on well how much does that glove alter their handwriting and so unless you're giving people
00:45:42
handwriting samples where you're making them wear a certain type of glove I don't think you're going to get the
00:45:48
correct answers there and then they say and this is the most asinine thing I heard from law enforcement probably in
00:45:57
the whole case well we also ruled out Santa bill because he had heart conditions so he physically
00:46:04
couldn't do this okay well and I was telling you about this local detective I sat down and talked with him about the
00:46:13
Ramsay case and I was saying yeah this is Santa bill there's a lot of things that line up to make him look like the
00:46:19
best suspect and even the D.A at some point said hey he's the best suspect or believe that she thought he was the
00:46:28
best suspect for a while and this detective went on to tell me that they had a case where everything
00:46:35
was pointing to this gentleman but he was in very bad health condition and he was actually walking with two canes
00:46:43
so the more and more they're going we think it's this guy but he physically couldn't do it
00:46:52
so they brought him in had him take a lie detector he fails and then he admits to the whole crime it
00:47:00
gives a full confession and then they have to figure you know well how were you able to do this
00:47:06
it was a sexually motivated crime and the adrenaline gave this guy the strength to do it
00:47:16
the one was more than where this desire was more than the the pain you know the or the physical
00:47:27
limitations and see I would also argue too that you go you write this note this this
00:47:35
Ransom note I also think that the ransom note proves that somebody had some idea
00:47:42
about writing they put too many commas in there for some simple Criminal so you have this girl down in the
00:47:51
basement and like I said to you I don't know see with the grot that is going to determine how hard you
00:48:01
can strangle the person not your physical limitations the grind helps you choke now the grot
00:48:09
based on most autopsies or the way people look at the autopsy the choking wasn't to kill her the choking was
00:48:18
for sexual gratification it was a sexual act so that's where I wonder did Santa Bill put JonBenet Ramsey into that
00:48:30
suitcase and then try to get that suitcase out the window or try to move her at some
00:48:39
point and drops her creating the fracture on the skull and then at some point goes I can't
00:48:49
physically carry her out of here so now I just have to leave so I think the physical limitations can come into
00:48:59
play because you don't have to carry her down to the basement because you're saying a bill and she feels
00:49:07
comfortable and she showed you the basement before you can just say hey can you show me the basement again
00:49:14
and now you're at the crime scene regarding I I got to go go through your stuff here real quick before we move on
00:49:22
if I find you in my house in the middle of the night there's no explanation you're getting a free ride to the county
00:49:28
jail and you're going to get to stay the night there for free as well but I get well no no you're not you're going
00:49:36
to leave my house in an ambulance if you're if you're at the kitchen table with my daughter
00:49:43
at midnight one o'clock dressed as Santa Claus you're going to be going to the hospital
00:49:49
the other thing that I I want to kind of echo here Captain is I don't know how well
00:49:58
you can trust these handwriting samples to eliminate someone I'm with you I think it's very strange
00:50:05
that they use that word well we we analyze so-and-so's handwriting and determined that they did not write the
00:50:12
letter and we know that they made Patsy Ramsey write the note over four times one of uh John Ramsey's
00:50:20
worker Partners um Merriman they had him write it over seven times so they just take one sample
00:50:27
from Bill or or what what you want to do in those situations as an investigator is you
00:50:35
want to collect a handwriting sample that you believe to be something that this person wrote before you're
00:50:44
there asking them to write something for you right so and we know that did happen
00:50:48
in the case of John and Patsy Ramsey we know that it did happen in some of the other uh suspects or people that
00:50:57
were looked at as well but where I'm going with this whole how can we eliminate somebody with a handwriting
00:51:03
sample to just kind of echo your point one there is very strong reason to believe
00:51:10
that the author was wearing gloves at the time that they wrote this letter there's also reason to believe and this
00:51:18
is based off of the expert's opinion this is not dumb Nick crispy colonel the notorious Nic here in the garage
00:51:26
coming up with uh with a stupid opinion but the experts have stated that they have reason to believe that
00:51:35
it's possibly authored by a right-handed individual that was choosing to write the letter left-handed they believed
00:51:43
this so much that they conducted a study to determine how long it would take a right-handed person to write this letter
00:51:51
left-handed the average time that they came out with was 35 minutes that's copying the note from a note that you
00:51:59
would have brought with you or in this case for the the purpose of these tests that they were conducting they're
00:52:05
looking at the ransom letter and copying it then with their left hand I don't want to get too much into the
00:52:11
note because as we've already shown you can get wrapped up in a two-hour conversation about the note itself so
00:52:17
let's just talk about it again I just want to point out that I think that it's very difficult and I think it's actually
00:52:23
irresponsible to say that you're going to eliminate People based off of handwriting sample and to your point as
00:52:31
well Captain especially if you have somebody that you've only collected one sample from them yeah the other thing I
00:52:38
want to point out is that I was reading a lot of speculation it came from multiple internet sources that after the
00:52:48
murder Santa bill would talk about that he also had a remember how JonBenet was his
00:52:55
special friend that he didn't have too many special friends but he had a special friend
00:53:00
earlier and I've I have looked everywhere for this I have found names um but I can't find any proof of this at
00:53:12
all other than he was saying that he had another special friend that was actually
00:53:17
murdered I think five years before and was a seven-year-old boy again I found two different names for
00:53:26
that seven-year-old boy but I cannot find any proof that this boy existed or was murdered
00:53:34
or anything I shied away from that on purpose because some of the information I found
00:53:41
suggested that the the child was was sick was terminally ill and passed away from some type of illness which is fine
00:53:50
but when you go around telling a bunch of people that you had another special friend that was murdered
00:53:58
that's a little strange if they weren't murdered well if in fact he said that if
00:54:03
the child died of of an illness he's not going to be telling people that again I I do want to point out we don't
00:54:10
have any real strong evidence here Santa Bill truly does weird me out the more I
00:54:15
look at him the more he weirds me out and I don't just mean I'm not talking about appearance I'm talking about
00:54:20
actions and and things surrounding him and his name as it relates to this case I would love to sit down for a couple
00:54:29
beers or even a couple cup of coffee with the D.A that once said this was maybe some hot tea
00:54:37
this was my Prime Suspect I want to know why this particular D.A believed that they
00:54:43
could not eliminate him after so many others say that you could I do I do very much full of [ __ ] look when when we know
00:54:54
for a fact that they're releasing information to the media stating that it had to be inside job because there's no
00:55:03
Footprints and I've seen all these idiots online say well you know there was no Footprints and it's as simple as
00:55:11
did you see all the photos of that day and when you find out that not only is there a roadway that goes up to a to
00:55:21
driveway that goes to the house that you know has all these sidewalks that have no snow on it
00:55:28
wouldn't you just not walk through the grass it it's it baffles me that they would put out
00:55:36
this information knowing that it's false well there was no footprints in the snow
00:55:41
so therefore it had to be inside job but you're not telling the full story it's not fully covered in snow
00:55:50
so it just drives me nuts and then so all these other and look and I'm not saying that the Ramses are innocent what
00:55:59
I'm saying is that you have to investigate everybody equally and it doesn't seem like that happened here who
00:56:06
are you saying is full of [ __ ] law enforcement and the police but I was talking about the district attorney I
00:56:14
want to know why this district attorney says and publicly states that at one time this guy was my Prime Suspect I
00:56:21
would love to know what they're basing that off of in comparison to what law enforcement was basing off that we can
00:56:29
eliminate this guy I do even as weird as as as I feel about Santa bill I do question the likelihood
00:56:38
of his involvement and I will I will Echo some of their opinions stating that I I don't believe that he was in the best
00:56:46
physical condition having heart surgery just five months before the murder right
00:56:50
I also one thing that that I wonder about too when we talk about having physical evidence in this case mind you
00:56:58
yes the crime scene is contaminated I'm I will believe nothing other than that statement right there 100 I I think
00:57:07
everybody involved even the idiots that are involved say hey but this is a contaminated we're talking about an
00:57:14
individual that has a Long White Beard that's not we did we didn't have a hundred people walk in that home that
00:57:21
night or that next morning that had a long white beard can anybody with a beard to me it's not the hair so
00:57:30
much of the beard meaning look if if you're not carrying her then chances are the hair wouldn't get
00:57:41
on her but if they're if we believe that there was a sexual assault that would believe that
00:57:49
that they would find something I think it would be more likely that they would find some kind of dry skin because the
00:57:57
beard will really dry out your skin and so that would find some kind of dry skin
00:58:04
that would link him not so much of hair and then with the hair even if you found a hair you have
00:58:10
the argument that two days beforehand or on the 23rd that this person is in the house this individual is in the house
00:58:19
and that would give you reason to believe that you'd find their DNA or fingerprints anywhere correct but
00:58:26
for me if it was an intruder that killed JonBenet the only way that works is that
00:58:33
there was a sexual assault this means there was a violent and physical struggle that took place at some place
00:58:39
some point in that home very likely in that wine cellar and that's where I would suspect to find
00:58:48
more physical evidence of our offender in regards to Jesse McReynolds we mentioned his kidnapping conviction that
00:58:57
that's what kind of put him in front of the police's eyes and it certainly sounds interesting but
00:59:04
I think that we should point out that that charge that conviction of kidnapping it sounds much more ominous
00:59:12
than it truly was the facts of that case from my understanding Captain he held up
00:59:18
a gas station Rob the place of just a little more than a 100 and he used a gun during the
00:59:26
commission of that robbery and he moved the clerk basically from one side of the
00:59:33
the building or store to the other side and at the time in Arizona their law they're stating if you move a
00:59:42
person from point A to point B using a weapon you've technically kidnapped that that individual so
00:59:50
where where I go to if this was an intruder one of the motives may have been actual kidnapping right so it makes
01:00:00
this guy sound interesting however that is not what his his previous charge and conviction was was for it's a very very
01:00:07
different type of crime so while we're on the subject I think that is a good segue to our next possible suspect or
01:00:15
someone who was considered a suspect at some point Gary Merriman Gary Merriman was access Graphics Director of Human
01:00:24
Resources he publicly has stated that he felt that he was a suspect he previously
01:00:30
worked 14 years in criminal justice as a psychologist including years at the Florida Department of Corrections he's
01:00:39
kind of a natural fit I think for at least some questioning by police of course detectives are going to look into
01:00:46
individuals working for or working with access graphics he is also the man that answered the
01:00:52
phone the morning of what was believed at the time to be a kidnapping when John Ramsey called his work
01:00:59
informing them as to what was going on or what he believed was going on right I think it's fair for Merriman to say
01:01:10
that he considered himself a suspect not because he considers himself to be guilty of anything or look suspicious
01:01:17
he's sedating that that the actions of the detectives indicated to him that he must be considered a suspect well I
01:01:25
think they had him give over seven handwriting samples he was questioned multiple times he gave as you stated at
01:01:33
least seven handwriting samples he also provided police with his fingerprints he
01:01:39
gave blood and he gave hair as well I can't find any documentation to state that that any of this evidence would be
01:01:48
a match to evidence collected at the scene there have been many reports that state that regarding the handwriting
01:01:56
analysis that maryman could not be ruled out as a possible author of The Ransom letter yeah I've actually seen that he
01:02:06
was on the higher Spectrum as far as a match goes higher than even fancy Ramsey was and I know we just said that or I
01:02:14
just said that I I think it's irresponsible to say we've eliminated somebody based off of handwriting
01:02:19
analysis but we should point out that out of all the handwriting samples that they took most of these people were
01:02:29
quote unquote ruled out or eliminated right and then we have very few that that stayed on the the list of people we
01:02:36
cannot rule out now Merriman just like several other people in this case who were questioned multiple times or the
01:02:43
request for multiple handwriting samples asked by police he's one of several that
01:02:49
that stood up in his own defense to the police and said something to the effect of you know I'm here assisting you and
01:02:58
cooperating in your investigation where are the Ramses what are they doing at this time you've talked to me multiple
01:03:05
times you've asked me for this this and this and I've provided this this and this to you
01:03:11
what is going on with the case that that they are not being looked at some of these individuals I believe that
01:03:19
they truly just felt that they were beating being treated unfairly in the eyes of the detectives and the police
01:03:25
now Gary Merriman is not an individual that John Ramsey told the police that they should look into but Jeff Merrick
01:03:33
is somebody and there's also somebody that Gary Merriman said the police should look into yeah and the basic
01:03:40
story of Jeff Merrick is he's an x-axis Graphics employee he met John Ramsey in 1971. he knew him for a very long time
01:03:49
he met him when they both worked at at T in Columbus Ohio now he was one of the individuals that
01:03:57
helped Ramsey start access or whatever the micro south or whatever it was called at the time
01:04:05
he quit in 1996. this is when according to Merrick when the the company was in trouble and the
01:04:15
RAM and Ramsay needed to cut some salaries so he says access Graphics owed him 118
01:04:24
000 yeah well that's an interesting amount apparently they settled and he did receive half of that money
01:04:34
he did file ethics violations with corporate headquarters at Lockheed Martin which owned access graphics
01:04:43
according to the book death of Innocence on page 66 this is John Ramsey's words Jeff Merrick who had threatened to bring
01:04:53
me an axis Graphics down when he left the company in 1996. so as you were pointing out Captain this is an
01:05:01
individual that John Ramsey names by name on day one when asked by police and detectives do
01:05:07
you have any enemies well yeah because he was making threats too yeah so he names Jeff Merrick as an enemy we have
01:05:14
John sorry Gary Merriman for for the last four weeks I've been wanting to call that guy John Merriman his name's
01:05:21
Gary Nick it's Gary anyway Gary Merriman says that Jeff Merrick would be an enemy
01:05:28
as well and then we have Nedra Nedra is Patsy's mother okay when she is asked for a list of suspects she
01:05:41
included Jeff Merrick and his vicious wife which is Kathy Merrick one little known fact inside this story
01:05:51
that that I think gets lost and I don't know how important it is but it's interesting
01:05:57
for the makeup of the company and the makeup of John's success and Patsy and her family in relationship to John's
01:06:06
success her father was very much involved in all of John Ramsey's businesses okay he helped Ramsay as as did Patsy
01:06:17
helped John set up his businesses initially when his company was in trouble financially it was Patsy's
01:06:27
father that bailed him out with a loan and to further that at one point we have his father-in-law John Ramsey's
01:06:36
father-in-law Patsy Ramsey's father working for John Ramsey so this statement by Nedra from Patsy's
01:06:44
mother is not just simply somebody who's on the outside looking in who just overheard this from John and Patsy right
01:06:51
this is somebody that has Insider knowledge of things going on at access graphics
01:06:58
according to Kathy Merrick and Jeff Merrick their Alibi for the night in question is they visited Kathy's
01:07:06
brother-in-law in Aurora Colorado and then visited dick and Diane Foote and they were home around 8pm
01:07:16
watch TV and then went to bed so not a great Alibi and the stuff that I see in front of me here Captain states that
01:07:24
they did not cooperate in the sense of giving fingerprints blood hair handwriting samples
01:07:30
I couldn't find a confirmation that those things were provided from Jeff Merrick to
01:07:38
the authorities I will say this he was questioned multiple times and he did answer their questions and he too just
01:07:44
like Gary Merriman was one that said I'm here answering your questions where is John Ramsey he's accused me of this of
01:07:52
being a suspect and I'm reading in the papers that you guys are unable to speak to the Ramsey
01:07:58
family were they able to test his DNA do you know the information that I have states that none of that was provided to
01:08:06
police but they pretty much kind of rolled him out I again I don't have any information stating that they ruled him
01:08:12
out I the information I have states he was questioned multiple times to which he ultimately ended up getting
01:08:19
confrontational with them in the end because he's reading in the paper and seeing on TV that the Ramses are
01:08:26
Untouchable and they won't answer the police's questions but here you are disrupting my personal life right by
01:08:32
asking me the same questions on several occasions well let's get to a guy Chris wolf
01:08:38
yeah his real name is Robert Christian wolf he's extremely interesting to me for a number of reasons one he's not
01:08:46
somebody that was on the inner circle of the Ramses or on the inner circle of access Graphics this is like an unknown
01:08:53
Intruder he comes to our attention from his girlfriend his girlfriend Jackie dilson
01:09:00
she comes forward to police and States because remember there is a time that's going on here where the police and the
01:09:09
Ramses are asking the public for their help so she comes forward to Boulder Police
01:09:16
and states that Chris wolf was out all night long regarding the knight in question and when he came home he was
01:09:25
covered in mud and he was acting extremely strange this is all her opinion obviously
01:09:33
the weird connection he may have is this kind of furthers this suspicion along here
01:09:40
is this same girlfriend adds that he should be considered a suspect in the death in the murder of Suzanne Chase who
01:09:49
was killed December 21st 1997 wolf apparently dated Suzanne chase at some point his knowledge regarding the Ramses or
01:10:03
the case itself he was a journalist who worked as a reporter for Colorado daily and for the Boulder County Business
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reports and apparently he interviewed Cheryl McGraw who is a secretary at access graphics
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he comes onto our radar Again by a tip from his girlfriend at the time it states here now this is his own
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claims so I cannot back this up but wolf was a guest on The O'Reilly Factor and this was from May of 2000s 2000 where he
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States in his interview that he did provide fingerprints and hair and handwriting samples
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again that's his claims the weird thing about Chris wolf though is his Alibi is completely the opposite statement from
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his girlfriends Chris wolf says I was in bed early approximately 9 30 or 10 p.m I
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did not wake up or get up or go out until the next morning right according to the book perfect murder perfect Town
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it does state that Chris wolf did provide his DNA and it was not a match for what they were looking for
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the next one we're going to have to call the unknown suspect and this is in reference to a crime that occurred just
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nine months after JonBenet was murdered this takes place in an affluent part of Boulder not terribly far from the
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Ramsey's home a mother and her 12 year old daughter came home from the movies they are alone in their home it's late
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the mom sets the burglar alarm and goes to bed an intruder crept into the girl's
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bedroom he put his hand over the girl's mouth said the girl's name and told her he knew her
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he starts a sexual assault and it's believed he was working toward a possible Abduction of this girl as well
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but the mother she wakes up she hears noises and goes to her daughter's room she sees the man
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he runs and he goes out of a bedroom window jumps off the roof to the ground below and flees the area
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the man was dressed in all black from head to toe and wearing a mask this 12 year old girl attended the same
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dance studio as JonBenet the dance West Studio this person has never been identified and we have the father of the
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victim who says he believes that the Intruder may have already been hiding inside the home when the mother
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and daughter returned to the house just waiting there to attack this girl right we've seen that in a lot of different
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cases seems like to me like this is a great lead and something that law enforcement should have followed up on
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more because we have that connection of the dance studio and and having especially uh
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a predator that is able to go to a place that he knows that kids are going to be
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at he can walk in there freely basically stalk these individuals and then attack them at their home the dance
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studio very well could have nothing to do with that attack it is a weird connection to getting us back to
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jonbenet's case their home not being terribly far from the Ramses the right the second crime taking place just nine
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months later those are all very weird things that that really put a chance that this offender is somehow
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in the the circle of the Ramses or the neighborhood or that dance studio it's really truly interesting and the other
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thing too I want to point out for me anyway if the Intruder theory in the Ramsay case is in fact correct then I
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believe that we need to have a certain level of criminal sophistication where here we have that in this particular
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crime we see somebody that is good at getting into the home they got close to the assault that they were seeking
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potential Abduction of this girl and they were able to flee the area without being identified okay so there is some
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sophistication there but way back in 2004 Aaron Moriarty reported the following the boulder district attorney
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investigators haven't completely ruled out anyone and have a list of people that like to talk to reportedly more
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than 100 names it's a list that still includes Gary Olivia and anyone who can shed more light on the mysterious death
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of Michael helgoth and that includes their friends and Associates that investigators strongly consider people
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of interest there is now what is believed to be a complete DNA profile of JonBenet Ramsey's killer an unknown male
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there is strong evidence that he may have had an accomplice and that he may have tried to kill again
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