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the village of paing is a warm and welcoming community of almost 3,600 residents it is also the county seat of
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paen County Ohio at the heart of the village you will find the historic County Courthouse in the center of a
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lush green lawn complete with an old-fashioned gazebo the courthouse is surrounded by a
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traditional Town Square with quaint shops and family-owned restaurants paing is a quintessential
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slice of Americana that has managed to preserve its authentic charm on a Sunday night in
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1960 14-year-old Nancy eagleson was walking near that Town Square the county sheriff's office is
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nearby the city's small police station nearby as well but sadly as it would turn out that did not matter because on
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that night in Tiny Town USA there was a predator waiting in the shadow Nancy was pulled into a car that evening
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as she walked home from a movie with her 5-year-old sister Cheryl the younger girl screamed and ran
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to a neighbor's home telling him her sister had been grabbed by a man wearing glasses about 7 hours after the
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abduction two raccoon Hunters found nany's body in a wooded area near ping authorities found little evidence
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at the scene they were left with little else other than the words of a 5-year-old armed with the description
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the sheriff's department and paing police began a canvas of The Village's then 2,300 residents seeking
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information paon County Sheriff John Keeler said the only apparent motive was a sexual
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attack early in the investigation he said he had uncovered several Clues Keeler said they were were
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compiling a list of possible suspects those persons will be interviewed and at the start of the
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investigation he said the suspect list was composed mostly of names of persons convicted of other crimes in the
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sparsely populated ping area the murder was the first in the village of paing in 6
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[Music] years while lawmen continued their Around the Clock invest tigation the residents of paing were badly frightened
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by the abduction and murder of the High School freshman and held divided opinions concerning the killer some
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persons believe the crime was committed by a local man While others wondered if the crime was committed by a crazed man
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traveling through the area Nancy eagleson was born and raised in paulon Services were held in the
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First Church of Christ where she regularly attended the murder case is now 62 years
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old and it remains unsolved for now today the sheriff of paon county is Jason Landers and he told me this is the
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most emotional and heartbreaking case in our County's history this is true crime
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[Music] garage [Music] like this week we will be talking about an Ohio Cold Case that is heating up
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once again up until May of this year I had never heard of this case before and while it was a case I never knew yet it
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is a case that so many refus to forget that is the shocking and horrifying murder of 14-year-old Nancy Eagles
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the crime that forever changed the village of paing Ohio now going back to 1960 the village of paing then had about
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2,300 residents but the population for the entire County of paing was less than 177,000 people paing is in the northwest
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of Ohio the county line to the West is also the state line into Indiana and then from roughly the center of Pauling
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Village if you drive 1 hour going north you are in Michigan so because of the location of the village and because of
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the County's close proximity to state lines our true crime mystery will take us into some other states earlier this
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year the captain and I were in Vegas this was the last weekend of April for the 2022 crime con event hey what
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happens in Vegas stays in Vegas and so the way that we found out about about this case was at crimecon there is a
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relatively new website called uncovered uncovered is working to put together the
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most comprehensive website database of cold cases and missing persons from all over the country now this is quite the
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undertaking because experts estimate that based on information from the Uniform Crime reporting program from our
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friends at the FBI data shows that in our country the Great of Nations we currently have approximately
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250,000 unsolved murders a number that increases by about 6,000 each year so nany's case is just one of many many
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thousands but we say Cold Case here and this case is heating up quite a bit and we may just finally be able to get some
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answers for ny's Family primarily her sisters Merill and Cheryl remember back to today's trailer Cheryl was with Nancy
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the night that she was abducted but back to uncover.com one of the Architects behind the uncovered website is from
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Pauling and she approached the porchlight project and True Crime garage at crime con and said hey have you ever
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heard of this case so that's how we got to where we are today Captain eyeballs deep and this case that I think has some
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meat on the bone this case can still be solved for those who don't know what the
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project porch light is can you explain it to them so the porch light project is a organization that true crime garage
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has been tied to and involved with for several years now and the porch light project offers Victim Advocacy to family
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members of victims of cold cases and some of the services that they can offer to victims into to their families is DNA
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testing in cold cases ground searches for somebody that may be still missing or offering trained canines and a team
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of volunteers to assist with ground searches and also renewed media attention to a case so when a case goes
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cold it also goes cold in the media and it's good to remind everybody that this case still exists it's still unsolved
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and these people still need your help the Public's help and they need law enforcement's help so at porch light
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Ohio and if anybody wishes to make a donation or if you are a person who is personally connected to an Ohio Cold
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Case and you would like to submit a case you can go to porchlight online.org to learn more and we've been able to cover
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some of the cases that you guys have worked on which then drums up interest it drums up people talking about the
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case and possibly some leads as well so let's dive into this case let's dive into the timeline of Nancy eagleson
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Nancy eagleson was kidnapped and murdered in rural paing Village Ohio in 1960 her 5-year-old sister Cheryl was
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the only witness to this now 62-year-old Cold Case the date was Sunday November 13th 1960 the day began
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as a typical Sunday for 14-year-old Nancy and the eagleson family Nancy attended church and then had a meal with
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her family afterward Nancy and her 5-year-old sister Cheryl went to a local movie theater which is a few blocks away
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from their home so all of the general reporting captain on this case says just blocks away which is absolutely true but
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to give a little more perspective it's approximately a half of a mile from the eagleson home to the theater and
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according to to my little map app it is about a 10 to 12 minute walk but probably a little slower with a
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5-year-old walking with you Nancy and Cheryl were there to see a double feature at the theater so they are there
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at the theater for a considerable amount of time but shortly after the movies the
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two had just left the double feature Nancy and Cheryl decided to get sodas from a local restaurant before they
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started their walk home at the local restaurant the girls talked to some friends and some other people from paing
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now it's about 700 p.m. and it's starting to get dark and this is when they began their walk from the
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restaurant nearby is paing bowling alley Nancy and Cheryl's father Donald eagleson was
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working at the bowling alley that night now from my understanding Captain this is more of a second job and Donald works
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for a more traditional 9 to5 type job elsewhere during the week right so the girls stopped by to talk to their dad
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now even though they don't have very far to walk Nancy thought that they would stopped by this is because Nancy was
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wearing new shoes with a heel and as The Story Goes they stopped by their father's work to see if he would drive
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them home there's a couple of problems you know this story is a little more complicated than just oh my my feet
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might be hurting from these new shoes would you drive us home Donald is still working at the time right he's still on
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the clock so he's not able to give them a ride home from the bowling alley but part of the story that gets lost along
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the way is not that Dad told him no it was more of a situation of yeah if you could just wait 40 minutes or 30 minutes
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until the end of my shift I'll drive you guys home with me I'm leaving anyway the
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girls didn't want to wait they're little kids kids hate waiting so they didn't want to wait and so they turn down the
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ride they don't want to wait so from the bowling alley out into the dark and down
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the road they go again we have Nancy she's 14 we have Cheryl she's five they're leaving the bowling alley
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they're going to head east on East Jackson Street they're going to go past the old Iron Bridge this is really a
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pretty quick walk from the center of town so they are walking eastwardly on East Jackson Street and from my
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understanding back in 1960 there was an old not still in operation gas station called pck that was located on the
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corner of East Jackson Street and Flat Rock Drive so there would have been a driveway and a little lot right there on
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the corner of these two streets well the girl girls need to go on Flat Rock Drive
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they live on Flat Rock Drive so naturally with there being a driveway and a parking lot there right there on
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the corner they're going to kind of cut through and cut the corner a little bit of these two streets so the girls are
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cutting through and they are walking the driveway of the old poock station now the girls as said live on Flat Rock
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Drive once they get past the plock station they only have about six houses to go past plocks and then they are home
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mhm there there are houses that line both sides of this street so if you are traveling north as they were on foot the
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girls live on the leftand side of the street now one of the details in this case that I think can be and is very
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important the house where the girls live is on that Flat Rock drive at this point
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in our timeline this is the street that the girls are walking on this Flat Rock Drive is also State Route
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111 Ohio State Route 111 runs between the Indiana state line and Defiance Ohio most of the route is a rural TW Lane
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Highway and it passes through both farmland and Residential Properties as the girls are cutting through plocks
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they notice a car parked in the driveway there according to statements later given by Cheryl there was a man sitting
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in a car in that car that was parked there they walked past the car and passed the lot on the corner and they
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passed a small house on their left they're getting closer to their home this is when the girls noticed a car was
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following them now to be perfectly clear here it's never been reported that the car at plocks and the car following them
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is the same right but to me it it feels kind of right you know they're not terribly far from plocks when they they
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get this feeling that a vehicle is following them Cheryl said that the car following them really kind of spooked
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both of the girls because the car was kind of slowly idling behind following behind them so the car pulls up
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alongside of the girls some of the reporting out there states that the man driving the car asked for directions but
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that doesn't seem to be the case because according to Cheryl the man ask the girls if they wanted a ride to which the
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older sister Nancy replied no thank you we are almost there which is both true and Incredibly sad
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because this is all going to go down really just a handful of houses away from the two girls being home well and
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also as you get older you have spider senses and so you know when something doesn't feel right you know when this
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person that just claims to be asking for directions you know when there's something more dangerous about them
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that's true and think of this situation it's dark out we have two children walking together
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and look cars don't follow pedestrians very often especially ones that the pedestrians do not recognize
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and then when the person pulls up alongside of you and you do not recognize them and they engage you in
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conversation yeah you're you're probably probably very concerned at this point and obviously Nancy's going to be
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thinking more about this than her 5-year-old sister is going to be but she's one she's not strong enough to
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defend herself against adult male but she can't run because she has to protect her 5-year-old sister so after they turn
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turned down the offer of a ride with the strange man this man stops his car and in a hurry he gets out runs over to nany
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and grabs her forcing her into the car on a well-lit street in full view of seven homes Cheryl tried to grab the man
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but he threw her down to the ground Cheryl then ran screaming to the safety of a neighbor's house only to see the
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car drive away with Nancy in the back seat do we know what time roughly this kidnapping took place I think roughly is
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a good word to put it because as the sheriff would later say according to the sheriff the abduction occurred at
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approximately 7:40 p.m. there is one little hiccup here though because there was a slight delay in reporting the
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abduction and this was no one's fault but the delay came because Cheryl ran to the closest neighbors house house and
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again it was 1960 so not everyone has a home phone back then yeah just the fancy
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people Nancy was abducted right in front of the home of Mr and Mrs lson so Cheryl
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ran to that home and she screamed at the homeowners now this is Mr and Mrs lson John lson and Betty lson and these
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people are essentially neighbors of the eagleson right they're only sever houses
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away from being home they know the Larson quite well well also like you said it's 1960 so what's fascinating to
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me about this case is there's so many things that are different like today in a case you'd be looking for DNA for
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example they didn't really have that technology back then and also just like you said some of these people in this
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neighborhood they don't have phones and I don't know that this is 100% the case but I believe at the time on the street
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a lot of those homes were being rented and that might be why you know people weren't as grounded back then when you
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were renting and maybe you didn't bother to set up a home phone or it was too expensive but also it's 1960 and so what
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was more common place you'd know your neighbors and if it was me and I needed to communicate I'd simply open up a
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window and just start yelling like Rocky hey Bly it's me Rocky I'll call you later so so what they have to do
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here is Cheryl runs to the neighbors that she knows and trust and again the abduction takes place nearly right in
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front of their home and it's through tears it's fighting through tears that she tells Mr and Mrs lson what had
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happened and that a man took her sister Nancy right so the lson take Cheryl and they drive to the nearest phone and call
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the police the village of paing does have a police Department today and even back then but there was maybe like three
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guys that worked there and as we have seen in some of the cases some of these older cases it's probably just two dumb
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guys in a garage with funny outfits that we've covered here in the garage sometimes on a Sunday night they will
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take emergency calls but might not have anyone actively working or patrolling because it's sleepy Town America
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nothing's really going on there's no need for the law at those hours until there's an emergency but also at the
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same time and this is what's weird to me if this were to have been a local person
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the suspect there's not a great law enforcement presence in this County because there's very few people that
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live in the entire County at the time but out of all the places in the county this seems like a very risky or more
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risky place to commit such a crime if you planned it out because you have the the village of paing police
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department you also have the county of paing Sheriff's Department that is housed right there in the little
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village so at the same time you got the police department and the sheriff's department is impaling as well in 1960
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they have the Sheriff John Keeler and he's got I believe two or three deputies of his own so that is three or four at
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the sheriff's department for the entire County I'm not sure which of the two agencies was called but both sprung into
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action as soon as the call went out so the law is now out and rushing around they're looking for Nancy they're
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looking for the dark colored car that was described by her little sister Cheryl and they're looking for the man
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that took Nancy and of course really looking for anyone who may have seen Nancy or knows anything at all
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[Music] GameChanger like [Music] welcome back cheers everybody cheers to you Colonel cheers
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to you Captain talk can in the air to all the good listeners out there just a quick reminder before we jump back into
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this week's case if you are listening to this on Tuesday August 23rd when this episode drops Unfortunately today mark
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30 years since Tammy zwiki was abducted and killed we covered her case and several others in the America's Highway
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serial killers episodes we did four parts on that story that is episodes 590 through 593 released in June of this
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year if you haven't listened to those yet give it a listen please we're now at 30 years on tamy a Wiki's Cold Case so
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14-year-old Nancy was walking with her sister 5-year-old Cheryl they get almost back to their house they were followed
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by a car this person asks for directions and then jumps out of the car kidnaps Nancy Cheryl runs to a neighbor's house
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they then make a call to law enforcement law enforcement is now out looking for this kidnapper yeah and this is one of
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those cases where you know we find these little tidbits of sad information in some of these cases that we cover and
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Nancy's case is just really full of them unfortunately because think about this situation and now all of the cases that
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we cover are unfortunate they're all sad they're all heartbreaking cases just like tamy a Wiki that we just mentioned
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coming back from the break but in Nancy's case there are very few cases that I can think of that we've covered
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that there was a a sibling a tiny child walking with the person who gets abducted right and mind you just minutes
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before the abduction takes place their father was presented with a possible opportunity to drive his children home
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and he says hey I got to finish out my shift and the girls say well we don't feel like we don't feel much like
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waiting and so they went on they went on ahead and then mom is at home just about
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four or five houses away from where they are abducted they're abducted on a well-lit street in front of the view of
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six or seven other homes like you said in so many cases there's these what if this would a happened moment what if
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this would have happened and those people sometimes get trapped in those wh ifs for the rest of their lives and can
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you imagine the heartache and the guilt felt by nany's family but especially her
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little sister Cheryl who was there that night when it went down and what we will
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later see and we'll continue to go through the timeline here Captain but one thing that we're going to see in
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this case that is incredibly sad and unfortunate for the investigation as well is that Cheryl is so little she's
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such a young child at the time and this all happen so very quickly that she's able to provide some details to law
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enforcement but not a whole lot of details that are going to help them when it comes to trying to find the person
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who did this the other thing that's incredibly shocking in this case and it's something that we don't see very
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often in cases that we've covered but the search for Nancy or the vehicle that took her it's not a very lengthy one you
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know sometimes it can be days or weeks or unfortunately months or even longer before our victim is found now we're not
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happy about the result obviously here but the Frantic search for Nancy ended when not more than 7 hours
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later two raccoon Hunters this is Joseph offence and Kenneth Nelson they find nany's Body her body
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was located in a clearing in a heavily wooded area she was lying about 100 ft from the road she was partially clothed
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with some of her clothing lying nearby at first the the two Hunters thought that what they were seeing was a
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discarded Halloween costume keep in mind this is early November so Halloween costume makes a little bit of sense
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right they get closer and it it is not anything that anybody would want to find it's not a mannequin the road that
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we are talking about and this goes back to something that I think might be key here in this case especially when we get
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to the suspect portion of it this was Pauling County Road 176 so I'm have to try to explain this
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visual to all of the listeners out there captain and you know how great I am at doing this yeah I me uh some say you're
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the van go of painting pictures with words right I would recommend that you pull up the village of paing on your
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favorite map app that you use and look this up but it will make a lot of sense but it will also and I recommend for the
00:32:54
listeners to cut their ears off like like van go before before we get to the painting of the picture it will also
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present several questions to the listeners as well so paen County Road 176 is where the body is found about 100
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ft from the road Flat Rock Drive as we explained is the road that Nancy and Cheryl live on
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with their family and Flat Rock Road is also State Route 111 now where the abduction takes place
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is on the leftand side of the road if you are traveling north on Flat Rock Drive slate Route 111 the suspect's car
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after putting Nancy into the back seat then drives and continues North on Flat Rock Road it's pretty much a straight
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shot after you go around one curve there but one once you get going you're going
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to come to a stop sign and I don't know if there was even a stop sign back then there is one there now and once you get
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to that stop sign you make a left to continue on State Route 111 if you don't make a left at that stop sign you just
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go straight and that road becomes paing County Road 176 so while the road has a different name
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when you look at it on a map it is essentially looks like the same road right ny's basically
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abducted thrown into this car the driver speeds off but he never really goes anywhere as far as we know right we have
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seven hours that expire between the time of the abduction roughly 7 hours between
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the time of the abduction and when her body is found but if you go from point A to point B
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we're pretty much talking about the same road yeah but that makes me wonder because we do have that 7h hour time Gap
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did this person live close or know of a secluded area that he took her to first and then dumped her body basically in
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the same area the paing County Sheriff John Keeler who was going to oversee this investigation this was this was
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really probably too big of a case too complicated of a case for the sheriff's department but it was certainly most
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certainly too big and complicated of a case for the Little Village Police Department so the county sheriff is
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going to oversee this case and I really think there's some debate on how good of
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a job he did per the residence perspective and we'll get into that as we continue along but immediately one
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thing that he did do and this is where I give praise to John Keeler is he immediately called in the Ohio State
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State Patrol to come in and assist in this investigation assist in some type of Manhunt for whoever took her that
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didn't happen a lot back in 1960 Sheriff's departments chief of police back then
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they didn't call in other agencies so quickly here he does that and this is from a statement from the daily Advocate
00:36:21
newspaper out of Greenville and it says ny's death was the first murder of this type in this
00:36:28
Northwestern Ohio community of 2,300 most of the local authorities have never investigated a murder I wanted to
00:36:35
make sure that we included that statement from the daily Advocate because my suspicions right away when
00:36:41
learning about this case was just that I had wondered if any of these guys had ever investigated a murder before and
00:36:48
that statement that we just read was from a paper a local paper local to Northwest Ohio anyway and that statement
00:36:57
made at the time of the murder now unfortunately mistakes and errors will occur in a homicide investigation and
00:37:05
homicide investigations but you may end up with even more errors due to the lack
00:37:11
of experience right but just because you've never worked a case before doesn't mean you're incapable of solving
00:37:17
one but like you said you're probably more capable of making more mistakes the other thing too and thank you for
00:37:24
pointing that out Captain for this of experience you cannot blame law enforcement it's not their fault that
00:37:30
they live in a nice area where the most violent of crimes is not being committed
00:37:35
also the lack of crime in the area can bolster the idea that law enforcement in the area are in fact doing a great job
00:37:42
but also some of the techniques that you use to solve a crime that's not a murder
00:37:46
you can use to solve a murder case one of the very first errors that I see in this investigation comes from the crime
00:37:55
scene our longtime listeners know that when we are talking about an abduction murder
00:38:01
case we are talking about multiple crime scenes first in this situation we have the scene of the abduction almost right
00:38:10
in front of the Larson's home second we have the perpetrator's vehicle this is one of the tools used by the killer to
00:38:18
take Nancy away and take her to the next location which likely is our third and final crime scene this is the location
00:38:25
where ny's body was found and we will Circle back around and talk about the possibility of a fourth crime scene but
00:38:33
before we do because we are talking about mistakes made in the investigation the first one I see is they should have
00:38:41
had some tire tracks I would have thought that you could find tire tracks at the abduction
00:38:47
scene crime scene number one right and I definitely definitely think you would have found tire tracks from the
00:38:54
suspect's car where n 's body was found very possible but you also have to take into account that she's only 14 years
00:39:02
old so she's not going to weigh a lot I bet she was under 90 lbs so you can carry the victim pretty
00:39:11
easily but yeah tire tracks maybe even Footprints and that's the thing Captain you're exactly right Nancy eagleson was
00:39:20
listed at 85 pounds approximately at the time of her death so yes it wouldn't have been terribly difficult to carry
00:39:29
her the 100 ft from the roadside and place the body there there's also a chance that she was alive before getting
00:39:39
to where she's eventually found the thing though that makes it difficult for me to look at this situation and go man
00:39:47
we missed out on something potentially big here for our investigation is let's go back to Crime Scene number one where
00:39:53
the abduction took place if it is possible and based off of the recollection of the 5-year-old Cheryl
00:40:02
our witness it's not clear if the driver and their vehicle stopped off of the road or not they may have still
00:40:11
completely been on the road or been on gravel there's seeing the location as it is
00:40:18
today it's not clear that the driver would have had to pull into the dirt or the mud or the grass
00:40:26
right now when we go out to Crime Scene number three where nany's body is later located you know we say paing County
00:40:36
Road 176 I would be shocked you know I'm a betting man Captain I would wager a $50
00:40:45
bill right now that that road was probably not a paved road back in 1960 big spin it was probably gravel would be
00:40:52
my guess probably and 100 ft from the road it would make sense to me if the Killer and the abductor took her
00:41:04
immediately from point A to point B from abduction scene to where she was eventually found right I think that the
00:41:13
killer would have had to pull off of the road because of the way that it's situated law enforcement keep in mind
00:41:22
shortly after by 8:00 p.m. at the latest there hopping in their cars and they're
00:41:27
driving out looking for one the car that took Nancy two Nancy standing on the side of the road
00:41:37
somewhere because the captor abductor Let Her Go those are the two main things that you're looking for if you drove out
00:41:45
to the abduction scene and you know which direction the vehicle went you're going to continue naturally going down
00:41:52
that road it's a straight shot once you get past those curves to where a vehicle would have
00:41:59
been parked had it remained on the road to carry her to where she's later seen the story ends completely different if
00:42:07
they spot that car shortly after the abduction well where we're going there are no roads and it's not super late so
00:42:15
there's still people out and about doing things so there's a possibility that we
00:42:20
would have had an eyewitness of that vehicle being parked for a time period there was a tree stump that was in the
00:42:29
general area of where Nancy's body was located and one of the old statements from the investigation and from that
00:42:39
crime scene was that there was some kind of paint on that tree stump now nobody can say for certain but
00:42:50
there's a thought that in the dark that the abductor did not see that tree stump and may have brushed up
00:42:58
against it with the car leaving a paint mark on the tree stump or even ran over that tree stump well that'd be a great
00:43:06
piece of evidence to test right exactly and the thing is we've discussed this 100 times here in the garage maybe a
00:43:14
billion police love looking for a vehicle yes police are very good at finding vehicles and had they had tire tracks
00:43:26
there's a good chance that they would have known what kind of vehicle to hone in on but they didn't have that and I
00:43:34
think that was a misstep here in this investigation now November in Ohio Means lots of leaves on the ground yeah hoodie
00:43:43
weather pumpkin spice lattes and then where Nancy was found all kinds of people were coming in trying to help
00:43:51
we're talking about this is the state police family members were on the scene the newspapers the hunters that were
00:43:58
there so where she was found was not secured by police they didn't know better and so the crime scene was not
00:44:06
going to be incredibly helpful in a case where you already have very little to work with from the very beginning
00:44:13
unfortunately this was a murder that happened I believe everything went down rather quickly and in the process the
00:44:20
killer left few Clues behind it's a complicated case a complicated investig ation and when you failed to locate and
00:44:28
document the suspect's cars tire tracks left behind you severely compromised your investigation well I hate to keep
00:44:35
bringing it up but your other eyewitness is 5 years old so you have to be very careful when you're
00:44:42
questioning a young person because you don't want to be so suggestive that they just start telling you information
00:44:50
that's not actually true but just things that they might think you want to hear and I want to C go back to something
00:44:56
that you had mentioned earlier Captain which I think is something very interesting to contemplate here in this
00:45:03
case could there have been a possible fourth crime scene we talked about the abduction site the abductor vehicle is
00:45:11
crime scene number two and then we are calling the location of her body where her body is found that is our final
00:45:19
crime scene but could there be a situation where the abductor took Nancy somewhere
00:45:26
before taking her to that final site I think it's likely it's it's a possibility and it could explain why
00:45:33
they didn't see a car on that County Road that what I believe to be an unpaved Road out near where her body was
00:45:41
later found right so maybe maybe the suspect's card never goes off-road never leaves any tire tracks in the dirt or
00:45:49
the mud or up near her body and that's why they didn't see a vehicle there if they would have just gone right to that
00:45:58
that again today it's a a four-way stop I don't think they would have had a four-way stop back then but if they
00:46:05
would have gone up to that that part right there that four-way stop and it would be a natural place to go you've
00:46:14
been told that she was abducted and the the attacker took her North continued on
00:46:19
State Route 111 you would go up there looking for that vehicle and even if you only got to that four-way stop so that
00:46:27
you could turn around and head back into town and look elsewhere if the vehicle was sitting on the road you would have
00:46:34
spotted it so there's a reason why they didn't spot that vehicle when they were out
00:46:39
looking for Nancy either a it wasn't there and there is in fact the fourth crime scene right or B he took the car
00:46:47
and went off the road with it so it would not be seen from that four-way stop yeah and just imagine what the
00:46:54
neighbors are going through imagine what her father is going through I mean you you want to find this
00:47:02
individual rip their throw out you want to kill this individual they just took your child from you the
00:47:11
other thing that's very complicated when we Tred to review this case here Nancy eagleson's case is I do not have a great
00:47:20
understanding of if she was killed in a vehicle killed elsewhere or killed where
00:47:25
she was found there's some debate about that there are people out there that have followed this case from Jump Street
00:47:32
that insist that she was probably killed shot and killed in a vehicle there are other people that believe she was killed
00:47:39
near where she was found and then you have the other argument if in fact there was a fourth crime scene an additional
00:47:46
crime scene she could have been killed at that location and I don't know if they know this or if this was a misstep
00:47:54
but you would think that there would be some some evidence at the crime scene to
00:47:59
let us know if she was just dumped there or if it was actual crime scene what would follow Captain would be an
00:48:05
extensive search of every local vehicle that matched the description that was provided to law enforcement by our
00:48:14
surviving eyewitness Cheryl M this was a big undertaking the other thing they did
00:48:20
was multiple interviews with community members and they say that that line community members but this was everybody
00:48:28
from prominent figures in the community well-liked upstanding citizens to known criminals in the area as well later
00:48:38
Cheryl would even be put under hypnosis in hopes that she could recall details from the kidnapping that she had
00:48:45
previously been unable to report to the authorities the thing that happens very early on in this case though that is
00:48:53
incredibly interesting is is from a newspaper article that came out on November 15th
00:49:00
1960 this is from a newspaper in the great state of Indiana well keep in mind that she was kidnapped on the 13th and
00:49:07
then her body was found a little bit later on the 14th so this news is coming out pretty quickly very quickly and the
00:49:14
headline reads two slangs committed by same killer question mark and this is a new story out of the great City of
00:49:21
Chicago and the article reads Illinois authorities Monday in Ohio slaying in an attempt to ascertain whether the killer
00:49:30
might also be the same man saw in the death of a 99-year-old Chicago girl and it goes on to say Captain James McMahon
00:49:39
chief of detectives said several similarities were noted between the slangs of Gloria kallwitz age n in
00:49:47
Chicago and Nancy eagleson age 14 of paing Ohio have we got a killer traveling cross country country McMahon
00:49:56
wandered aloud before [Music] reporters [Music] take thank you so much for joining us
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