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foreign [Music] this is true crime garage the following is by far not your typical
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missing person's case for in this story you will hear about a missing man a missing woman and a
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missing submarine you will hear about the intense and heartbreaking search for all three
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then the explanations multiple versions of tragic accidents you will hear the destruction of Dreams
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the tragic loss of life and relationships you will hear the gruesome discoveries
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The Morbid details as we dive into the deep Waters and into madness this is the case that has been called
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the most spectacular case in Danish history [Music] foreign was born in 1987. she grew up in the
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close-knit community in a small town in trelloborg this is in southern Sweden just across the street dividing Sweden
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from Denmark now even when Kim was young she was very ambitious and driven she studied international relations and from
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there she went on to earn two master's degrees one from Columbia's internationally renowned School of
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Journalism Kim took to journalism immediately she loved stories she specialized in stories about the fringes
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of society about identity gender and societal subcultures her stories often conveyed a sense of
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social justice for these Fringe groups and she won awards for her articles her work was published across the world in
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esteemed Publications such as the New York Times Time Magazine and the guardian just to mention a few
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last year in 2017 Kim is 30 years old she is a successful freelance reporter that spent years traveling the world in
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pursuit of the next great story she went all over the globe to places like Uganda
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Cuba Kenya New York City and North Korea in August of 2017 Kim was staying in Copenhagen with her partner Danish
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designer Ali stoby when she began investigating a group of do-it-yourself inventors who were responsible for
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Cutting Edge privately financed rocket and submarine construction projects Kim and Ollie had been walking around their
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neighborhood one afternoon past the decrepit buildings of an old Shipyard when they came across the
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rocket building workshops this got Kim's interest she reached out to various Publications and had email exchanges
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with editors at Wired Magazine working toward a freelance assignment to write about the rocket builders
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she knew of one of them who was considered a bit of a local celebrity he spearheaded the rocket and sub-building
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projects this is Peter Madsen also known as Denmark's rocket Madsen now there was
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a clear and obvious direct competition between two of the Rival space rocket building companies this is what
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attracted Kim wall she knew there was a story here and a good one Kim and her boyfriend Ali were planning on moving to
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Beijing the departure date Captain was August 16th and this was approaching but Kim wanted to finish her article on the
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Copenhagen sub-order orbitals that's tough to say and we're gonna have to say it about 30 times today before she left
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permanently for China on August 10th a Thursday Kim and Ali were preparing a goodbye party with friends in the late
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afternoon just as they were setting up for a barbecue Outdoors along the water Kim got a text from Peter Madsen in
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response to her inquiries about a possible interview the two had never met he invited her for tea at his Workshop
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the hangar where he worked was not far from her place so she figured she had enough time to go and still be back in
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time for this party now after a quick half hour meeting with Peter Madsen for tea Kim returned home
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to let her boyfriend know that Peter had offered to take her out on his submarine
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she said that over T Peter had been quote all over the place and that she was nervous to go on the submarine with
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him but it was a big opportunity so after discussing this Kim decided to forego her own goodbye party for the
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opportunity to ride on the famous sub and get an exclusive with Peter Madsen yeah and you never let your girlfriend
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go on any other man's suburb boat well she asked Ollie to join her but apparently at this time when this
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discussion is happening their friends have already been invited over they've already set everything up and it's my
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understanding that friends had already started to arrive by this point so Ali says hey look we got all these people
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coming over if we both go uh we're really doing a disservice to our friends here one shows you how passionate about
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her craft Kim was she's gonna drop everything cut everybody out of her life and this one moment so she can go get
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her story right missing a potentially missing most of or all of a goodbye party for her right when she's planning
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to move very far away just six days later so I want to discuss this submarine real
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quick because it's a bit of a big deal for many reasons because this is what made Peter Madsen become a minor
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celebrity let's say the May 2008 launch of this submarine made him a minor celebrity this was manufactured by the
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sub-orbital company which was founded by him and another guy now the submarine that they made they
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named it the uc3 Nautilus this awful name this is or at least at the time hold on if you're gonna name a
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submarine What's it gonna be oh I have never thought about naming a submarine one two three go believeland
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you can't have the word land in any water that's one thing right that's what makes it so good yeah good job but I
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don't know I have no idea that's why I don't name submarines so but the thing here Captain the Nautilus
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at one time or maybe still to this day it was the world's biggest privately built submarine right the uc3 is a
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58-foot sub weighing 40 tons built from donated iron and other parts it's diesel
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slash electric and the interior featured a galley bathroom bunks mess area bridge
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and engine room do we know the square footage of this I don't I do not but it's I mean 58 foot is a decent sized
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sub from my understanding but regardless you know we've all seen The Hunt for Red
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October and Under Siege and well I don't think that took place in a sub maybe at
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some point it did but regardless we know that this is a confined space okay and even though that it's 58 foot we
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discussed the rooms that were there you know the the galley which you would expect which is basically a kitchen uh
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you have the bathroom room bunks note that they State bunks instead of bedroom so that should give you an idea that
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it's a small confined space right now Kim set off to meet Peter at the submarine she was wearing an orange
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fleece a skirt and a pair of white sneakers apparently these sneakers were special to her in a way like these were
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something that she always wore when she went out on these different reporting Journeys like her lucky sneakers maybe
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lucky sneakers part of the uniform kind of deal you know people have that thing going on
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um around 7 P.M she texts the boyfriend some photos and this was of the submarine she also takes photos of the
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windmills in the water and herself at the steering wheel these photos of Kim and and Peter were
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in some of these photos as well and I guess they can be found online I've only been able to find uh one or two of them
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not all that I have listed here but yeah I've seen a few an article that I found
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stated that you could find these pretty easily now Kim continued to text Ali periodically uh with her last text
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reading I'm still alive by the way but going down now I love you he brought coffee meaning he is Peter
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Madsen brought coffee and cookies though a while later Ollie was at the barbecue
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with all the friends and one of the friends comes up to him and says hey Ollie look and points out off into the
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water where he could see the submarine setting off to Sea and Kim is waving toward him from the hatch
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the goodbye party went late and continued later on at a nearby bar and since Kim had promised to be gone for
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only a couple of hours Ali did begin to get apprehensive about the fact that he had not heard from her
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since the time of seeing her wave to him in the distance the two were supposed to
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leave for a wedding very early the next morning and it was unlike him to not stay in touch
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his thoughts and this is where my head would go to is perhaps there's no cell service I mean you're in a submarine you
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know at the at the bottom of the of the sea right right um one we have you know we don't know
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what their relationship was as far as like texting goes but as far as this day she texts
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him several pictures several messages and this is pretty much in a short period of time from when she leaves the
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the party to get on the submarine so you'd think that right when they come to service right when she gets service to
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her cell phone that she's going to be texting him something well and we have to keep in mind here too that they lived
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fairly close to the launch area for this submarine you know one uh she discovered
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this place when they were just out on a walk in the in the area near their apartment or whatever they lived in and
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and from their party from their I'm guessing their backyard area or where they were hosting this barbecue he could
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see her from the launch waving to him so and then we also have the situation of Peter has that quick meeting with her
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and rather than her just texting or calling Ali to say hey turns out this meeting's going longer and I'm going on
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the submarine no it seems to me she's the type of personality and they must be close enough that she goes wait Peter I
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have to go home and talk to my boyfriend let him know what's going on where I'm going and such she went a bit out of her
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way to make sure that there was a good understanding between the two of them well and remember they have a wedding
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they have to leave for early in the morning and I don't know what time they have to leave but you'd assume that she
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needs to get home so she can get ready I don't know if she packed most people packed the night before so you think
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that would be something else on her plate that she had to do yeah and she took off like I said around like 7 P.M
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so uh or I'm sorry she text him photos at 7 pm saying we're getting ready to go under and she was only supposed to be
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gone for a couple of hours or at least so she told him you know by 1 40 AM he the boyfriend Ollie gets he's
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starting to get extremely worried now not having heard from her well and also I mean let's face it as a boyfriend you
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you can also suspect that you know not suspect but you might get worried that hey is there
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some kind of infidelity or something going on this guy owns a submarine well he decides to call the police and
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he reports Kim missing then a half an hour later he calls the Navy now no one could find Kim obviously
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there was no sign of the submarine either in fact separately from Ali one of Peter's co-workers found it very
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strange and very concerning that the sub had not returned yet so this co-worker alerted authorities that the uc3
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Nautilus and Peter Madsen were missing well I applaud Ali because not only does he call the police he calls the Navy he
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says hey what's going on here What's um this is kind of a little out of bounds but when we were discussing this
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case last week the first thing that obviously jumps off the page we've never discussed a missing
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submarine before we've talked about missing individuals missing adults children uh vehicles of all types uh
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this the first thing being the submarine who would even know where to begin thank
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God you got the Navy you can call well you start by looking in the water [Laughter]
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well a search for the submarine started and the two missing individuals as well this began around 4 a.m that morning now
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they used helicopters and ships to begin the search uh searching Waters around Copenhagen and a call went out for
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volunteer vessels to join the search at some point late on that Thursday night into Friday morning
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the Nautilus was apparently sailing in the Orson strait between Sweden and Denmark and this is from my
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understanding a very busy thoroughfare for ships the sub nearly collided with a freight ship a witness on the freighter
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told police that the submarine had been sailing with no lights on which is one very strange and obviously very very
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dangerous in the busy nighttime Waters the freight ship avoided crashing into the sub only because the Moonlight hit
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the submarine in a way that alerted the captain of the freighter to its proximity and he was somehow able to
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avoid a collision with the submarine do you think they these vessels would also have some kind of sonar
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uh well yeah I would think some of them would uh this report this was reported I'm sorry near the island of Sultan
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this would be of great concern for Searchers because it makes you wonder several things right one is the
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submarine operating correctly is it uh is it running properly right it also makes you wonder if anyone
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if who or if anyone is actually operating the craft yeah now they would continue to search for
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the entirety of the night then at 10 30 a.m on Friday August 11th the Nautilus was spotted near a lighthouse and Co Bay
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near a deserted stretch of Shoreline which is about 30 miles Southwest of ref shilon thankfully they were finally able
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to make radio contact with the sub Peter reported to the lighthouse that he was heading back to Copenhagen but the sub
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was having some technical problems according to a local news report at 11 A.M we have a gentleman named Christian
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isbach he's a local boat owner helping with the search he saw Peter Madsen swimming toward a nearby fishing boat
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Peter was alive and well he was pulled aboard the fishing boat when this boat docked at the nearest Port reporters
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were waiting to get the story of the missing submarine a reporter called out to Peter asking if everything was okay
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Peter turned around and gave the reporter a thumbs up he said he was fine but he was sad because the Nautilus sank
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there had been a defect on the ballast tank he said still there was no sign of Kim wall and Peter Manson made no
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mention of her to his Rescuers [Music] all right cheers me she is Captain so later on Friday the police put out a
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statement saying that Peter Matson told them in a lengthy interview that he had dropped Kim off near the Havendale
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restaurant on the tip of ref shilon Island at around 10 30 p.m on Thursday night so this would be just the night
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before the submarine sank police were not able to find anyone who had seen Kim after this time after he
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stated that he had dropped her off the boyfriend hadn't seen her nobody in the area had seen her she had not spoke to
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anybody or reached out to anybody she didn't text her boyfriend so Kim is now officially a missing person
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then the police spoke with a man who said that he saw Peter just minutes before Peter was rescued he said that he
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saw Peter and the submarine before it sank saying he saw Peter Go Down the Hatch of the submarine and then
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re-emerge as the sub began to sink the sub disappeared into the waters within a matter of seconds and this man described
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Peter Madsen as completely calm the entire time and said that Peter stayed in the tower of the Nautilus until Water
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started pouring into the tower and then Peter swam away to safety saving himself
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and you think that he would close it so the water wouldn't get into the submarine yeah well there's all kinds of
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problems with this one I don't I'm not going to sit here and pretend to have a full understanding of how typically
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submarines sink I will and what is the evacuation process for such um but just here here's one thing the obvious
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thing is the guy stating that the man seemed to be calm I don't think that this is a calm
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situation you know most people wouldn't behave that way as the submarine sank one and two
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this is his baby he he built he was one of the people that built this submarine well that's where I'd argue that maybe
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he would be calm because he knew what the malfunction was I knew maybe there was nothing he could do about it so
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therefore he remained calm I gotcha that's you know that's what what I took it as one of those things is I I know
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what the problem is I was here to witness this baby go down and I know how to fix it it's just a matter of time I
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just need the right stuff and also there's nothing that I can do about it so I just gotta let it sink in
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we're also talking about a company that built this thing so they have the money to then when it sinks we'll go get it
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we'll fix it yeah no big deal well police quickly reviewed CCTV footage of the area where he said that he had
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dropped Kim off and this was provided to them by a restaurant owner by the owner
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of the the restaurant that we mentioned uh when looking for Kim well because we know that's a bad thing if you're gonna
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get publicity saying that you know a very attractive lady got dropped off here and went missing from this
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restaurant or or nearby yeah you're like okay that's a great way to encourage people to come to the area right so they
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get involved they give them the footage here's the strange thing though police do not see any sign of Kim on any of
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that that closed caption footage and or closed circuit TV footage I'm sorry the other thing though is
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look they had several cameras there this wasn't like they had one little Rinky Dink camera and they didn't see Kim
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right they had plenty of cameras at different angles picking up large portions of that area they don't see Kim
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more what I find even more damning here is they don't see the sub you know they don't see the submarine at any time
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docking letting anybody off anything like that you know Kim maybe another woman could easily be mistaken for Kim
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or or not for Kim or so on and so forth but a sub is a sub right right so we have a weird situation where this
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this inventor this engineer builds a sub invites this lady onto the sub to interview him the sub sinks so now
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that's strange and then this other strange thing of him saying that he dropped her off but we have no sign of
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her and we have no sign of the sub correct so at this point you know law enforcement is going something's not
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right here well something's not right that and you know what's interesting to me though is
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you know she's she doesn't become missing until they locate him right everybody knows several people knew that
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that she was last with him right so once once he's located and the sub is witness
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to have sunk to the you know to the bottom and he's he doesn't tell them until this
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interview so what's weird here is where we know something strange and suspicious
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has probably happened but at the same time we mentioned that he didn't mention anything about Kim wall to The Rescuers
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or to the reporters that were in the area well if he dropped her off the night before why would he mention
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anything about her you know he dropped her off and then boom he had this event take place where he's in a sinking ship
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so you know sinking sub right so in that aspect you start almost wanting to believe his
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story yeah you wonder well what could have happened in that area and why didn't why is there no footage of it I'm
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thinking here captain that the police likely doubted Peter's story from the get-go because authorities stated
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publicly at some point and this is pretty early on in the investigation that they actually believed that they
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were looking for a body you know while they're still continuing to look for Kim and hope and pray that she's alive they
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publicly state that they think they might be looking for her body at this point and I wonder
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Peter being local if he just came off as an odd character anyways and that would
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make them lean towards that well actually there was some evidence that are going to point them in this
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direction and it's around the same time you know when they make this public statement that they might be looking for
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a body this was at 5 30 pm on that Friday August 11th just hours after he had been rescued from the waters police
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arrested Peter and placed him in what's called a quote preliminary detention which is the equivalent of preliminary
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criminal charges pending on suspicion of involuntary manslaughter for and this is
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their exact wording for having killed in an unknown way in an unknown Place Kim Isabel Frederica wall of Sweden sometime
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after 5 PM Thursday okay so pardon my stupidity but how are they jumping from rescuing them to this
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well um one there was one more charge and we'll get into this evidence here which
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is pretty uh it's it's interesting it's sad but it's interesting um he was also charged with indecent
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handling of a corpse now we don't know what went down during his lengthy interview you know we do know that he
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told them that he dropped her off but the indictment revealed that Kim's DNA had been found on Peter's hands neck and
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nostrils now we should talk about this for a minute because I don't think this is
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something that's pretty this isn't clear to everyone so when somebody kills somebody and it's it's in a manner that
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it's up close and personal obviously you're going to get blood and evidence of that victim on yourself okay
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or on the perpetrator well and so a lot of times what will happen is the offender
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even if they're very good at cleaning up the evidence and cleaning off the evidence of themselves a really great
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spot and place for investigators to use a DNA swab is in the nostrils because that's a place that they don't you don't
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see in the mirror naturally and it's a place that they forget to clean and they also swab the ears sometimes because In
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the Heat of the Moment when we have blood spatter especially if it's up close and personal and you're if you're
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at an excited heightened State you might be breathing heavily in and out inhale exhale and some of that blood spatter
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will end up in the nostrils yeah and have you seen Peter have I have I seen him yeah yeah I've seen pictures of yeah
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so Juan he he might have the world's largest dick nose and then two he probably shouldn't have been working on
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submarines he could have probably been flying around with those giant years he has well one thing that was weird about
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this there there's a well-known photo of Peter and this is when he's speaking to
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an officer immediately upon docking with the fishing boat that rescued him and in
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this photo you can you can find this online and you can zoom in and you can see what appears to be either a cut or a
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drop of blood on his nose and you can also see that he has a dark substance underneath his fingernails when he was
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examined at the hospital they did find scratches that were visible on his arms he attributed these to injuries that
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came from being on the submarine as it was sinking the authorities were able to raise the
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Nautilus from the depths turns out it was only 22 feet down they emptied it of water and they searched the sub they did
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not find Kim they determined that the submarine had been deliberately sank and the local media began to speculate
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that Peter attempted to cover up a bigger crime right this speculation increased when the chief homicide
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investigator for the Copenhagen police said that coagulated blood was found inside the Nautilus and later was
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determined to belong to that of Kim wall the DNA that they found on him during the investigation or during the
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interrogation how did they do this DNA test so quickly uh that I don't know but it's done
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relatively fast well okay so let's talk about that because you know when you have let's say somebody breaks into your
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home and they they find blood at the scene like maybe they broke their their they cut themselves on some glass
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breaking into your house and when they take from my experience having worked in security usually there's been times
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where we have submitted and said hey look we believe this is the DNA or evidence of the person that committed
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this crime they'll take it they'll add it to the report they'll add it to the file with the caveat of telling you that
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you do know that we if we do check this at all it could be years it's because it's a break-in it's a it's
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a it's a lower level crime nobody was harmed in the committing of that crime or killed yeah and we saw this here
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specifically in Columbus when that that real piece of [ __ ] [ __ ] abducted that
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woman outside of her work for no reason other than to rape and kill her right and we saw how quickly they were able to
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provide the DNA results to that test right they were on to him pretty quick they found plenty of evidence of him at
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the scene where they found her body and eventually you know we heard what was it
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a day or 48 Hours it was it was very quick very quick so I think that we're seeing a similar situation here plus you
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know these different areas operate differently we're also talking about an area that has an incredibly incredibly
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low murder rate like to the point that it's so low that it's it's hard to even compare it to anything here okay so
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um they may not have as many things waiting in line to be checked or to be tested right but but it's either way
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it's impressive it is impressive I agree with that so now we're left with the big
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question of what happened to Kim wall we know that she was due to go on this submarine she sent pictures of herself
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on there here she's waving goodbye to her boyfriend as they take off this guy that's that's that Manning the
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boat I'm Gonna Keep I keep referring to it as a boat but this guy's called a submarine the guy that's Peter Madsen
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says he drops her off obviously he didn't drop her off they find evidence to to the fact that she was either
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injured or killed in that submarine and evidence that maybe she fought back yes and even now that they've found and
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located the sub we still don't have Kim wall now her parents of course were extremely
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devastated by their daughters missing person status and they issued a statement that read quote it is with
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great concern that we her family received the news that Kim is missing after an interview with Peter Madsen in
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Denmark we sincerely hope that she will be found and that she as well now the very strange thing here though
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too Captain is that we talked about Kim's resume as a journalist as somebody that traveled all over the place I mean
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she went to some very dangerous she took on very dangerous assignments in foreign
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places over the years and it's so hard to believe and I can't imagine that anyone thought
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that she could be a victim in her own land after having gone to all these dangerous corners of the world
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in her own land where it's considered to be one of the safest right in the world
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well it's just like I said before her passion for her job and her craft it's it's pretty inspiring well the next day
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so this is August 12th now this is in a courtroom appearance in the involuntary manslaughter charge Peter told the court
00:34:45
that Kim had actually accidentally died on board in a quote terrible accident he said that a 150 pound hatch had
00:34:55
fallen and hit her on the head she then fell to the bottom of the Tower with a fatal head injury Peter Madsen
00:35:04
said that he panicked at that point and he used a rope to drag Kim's body up and
00:35:10
out of the submarine to which then he said he buried it at Sea okay okay so so one bury it buried it at Sea does
00:35:20
that mean he just put it in the water sounds to me in the water like it's a tossed tossed her overboard situation
00:35:28
and I I never understand these people that say it's an accident and I freaked out so I buried the body yeah or tossed
00:35:36
it out into the ocean right if if I'm in my submarine because I only have like three or four
00:35:43
of them but when I'm in when I'm in the big one if there was an accident and I freaked out you know what that
00:35:51
freak out is going to consist of me not going around the body me calling the cops right me calling an ambulance
00:36:01
that's me freaking out right me what what's not freaking out is when you can grab the body you can
00:36:09
touch the body you can move the body that's not freaking out that's you being a piece of [ __ ] well
00:36:17
and I think that's right though I mean that's that would be the expected natural behavior and reaction to a
00:36:25
horrible accident you would you would go to the person see if you can Aid them and help them in any way and once that's
00:36:31
determined that it's too late for that right it's get them some real help get them to another place you know get them
00:36:38
in a better space well I'm calling the I'm calling 9-1-1 right away anyways because what am I
00:36:44
going to help them with well the thing here is and we've seen this in several other cases okay
00:36:51
this is in Peter's defense at least a more believable story given the information and the evidence that they
00:36:59
now have right but you can't believe him at this point because we do have evidence that he sank his own submarine
00:37:06
we have evidence that he lied about where he dropped her off so to then all of a sudden believe this story which
00:37:14
doesn't Point much guilt towards him you go wait a second and it's for all those
00:37:20
reasons that the authorities didn't have any you know they very obviously weren't
00:37:25
buying what he was selling trying to sell them you know he was they were not going to release this guy which only
00:37:31
makes sense like you said by his own statements we know that he's lied at least once and now he's admitting some
00:37:39
form of guilt of getting rid of this corpse right and we have evidence of her fighting you we have evidence of her DNA
00:37:47
being in your nostrils it doesn't happen if she just dies from an accident well as we said Captain the police
00:37:54
pretty much arrested Peter Manson right away as they believed that he harmed or killed Kim very early on well they
00:38:04
searched his computers shortly after they arrest him they even recreated his uh profile the profile of his mobile
00:38:12
phone somehow now neither his phone nor Kim's phone would ever be found so presumably it's
00:38:22
pretty easy to to use a little bit of imagination here and figure out that likely Peter tossed both of them into
00:38:30
the water right right but you you'd think they'd be able to retrieve the records or even maybe the text messages
00:38:36
they did not anticipate what they are going to find on his computers okay now some people have pornographic material
00:38:45
on their computers well what they found on his computer was not just regular porn right police discovered more than
00:38:53
40 videos on Peter's laptop that appeared to show women being strangled hanged decapitated skinned sexually
00:39:01
impaled and tortured some of these videos were animations but one in particular of a woman being beheaded was
00:39:10
deemed by authorities to be real or at least they believed it to be real other hard drives owned by so so we have
00:39:19
videos of women being tied up and and choked and and that's you know that's one level but then we have where
00:39:31
they think this video this decapitation video they actually think it's real oh yeah so some of them like I said some of
00:39:43
them were animated videos and others were probably dramatizations or or the real deal now all I have is their
00:39:53
statements what they said to the public and I don't know how many of these were animations how many were dramatizations
00:39:58
how many were thought to be real but this one there was one uh in particular that the authorities that viewed this
00:40:07
material stated they believed it to be real that'd be my luck they would say Captain go in the corner watch these
00:40:16
videos let us know what you think that'd be my first day on the job well they also checked out other hard drives owned
00:40:23
by Peter and this contained over 100 additional videos of that were all similar in nature some of these went
00:40:30
back as long as 2004. so meaning he was downloading these as early as 2004. Peter's phone contained seven texts
00:40:41
regarding impaling women in the genital region even more distressing authorities were able to determine that
00:40:50
Peter had actually searched for and watched some of these videos meaning he didn't just stumble upon some of the
00:41:00
videos that were on his hard drives right some of them he was searching for or believed to be searched for because
00:41:06
they could find terms that he was using when searching and the terms he was using were executions and dismemberment
00:41:14
and starting in March of 2017 yeah these searches continued into July and August
00:41:23
of last year as well most horrifyingly the night before Kim boarded the submarine Peter Googled
00:41:31
beheaded girl agony and watched the video that showed up when as a result of that search do they
00:41:39
think that one was real or does it matter uh I don't have their opinion on this one but I do know some
00:41:48
of the details of that video it's it's a video that was entitled young woman in pain as she slowly as she slowly
00:41:57
beheaded with a small knife now you know and there's been you know beheading videos that
00:42:04
terrorists have Post online and I know that people have watched them I've never been able to
00:42:12
bring myself to watch one and then you have this guy that's watching these for sexual gratification
00:42:23
I mean he's he's watching a woman be decapitated why he's playing a game of flicky flicky well at least that's
00:42:32
what it's titled um I I don't know that that's what exactly right right depicted in that
00:42:38
video well not in that video but we have the police stating that one of the videos they think is real right so again
00:42:46
I mean and this go I think this goes beyond because they always kind of talk about
00:42:52
you know you know watching too much pornography will desensitize you on some level but this is a whole different
00:43:00
level this is not even being desensitized this is somebody that has well and I wouldn't
00:43:05
even call this pornography at this point right I mean this is this it's they're snuff films you know
00:43:12
they're they're torture porn snuff films right but right you know it's it's not even pornography right but it's like you
00:43:19
to me it's like you wonder how what was broken in this guy's brain to make him think that this is okay to be watching
00:43:32
well in In fairness I guess to Peter he did deny that these videos were his uh pointing out that all the videos that
00:43:42
were found were found on computers that were accessible by others including his phone uh including
00:43:50
um interns that worked at his office uh he stuck to this story for a little while but he did later fess up to having
00:43:58
watched these videos um for his part he did he denied deriving any sexual pleasure from these
00:44:08
torture and snuff films he said to the authorities that he watched them to feel quote strong emotions end quote and also
00:44:18
quote I watch these videos to cry and feel emotions he said okay so if we believe him which I which
00:44:28
I don't but if we do believe him yeah maybe um I mean look and I hate to compare Peter to like Elon
00:44:40
Musk but it's like you know I was watching the interview with Elon Musk and Joe Rogan and
00:44:46
there's times where Elon and you see this with um the Facebook Creator Zuckerberg yeah
00:44:53
Mark Zuckerberg where almost computer-like they start talking sometimes and you and
00:45:00
you wonder how they seem to have such lack of emotion so it's like if you do believe
00:45:07
what Peter is saying is he did he get that far gone mentally where he's like I don't I don't feel anything good or
00:45:17
bad I think there's evidence that shows that he's not just watching it for what he's
00:45:22
saying but again there's there's some mental break there you have to be a pretty sick individual
00:45:30
to be saying I don't feel anything so I have to watch something this awful to just
00:45:37
create some kind of emotion in me well if we're to believe him that means he's dead inside right he's dead inside he's
00:45:45
void of emotion Yeah by his own statement and if we don't believe him and which I think is probably more
00:45:52
likely if not you could have a combination of both but then that means that you could that means that the other
00:45:59
alternative would be that he it is deriving sexual pleasure from watching these videos right and when he states
00:46:07
that you know and then I'd cry well I think afterwards like I said if there's something broken inside you you might
00:46:15
cry after this because you're going what the hell is wrong with me why am I having to watch this to
00:46:22
to you know get off during a game of flaky flicky I mean so I just I don't know it's just it's so
00:46:30
bizarre but you didn't feel that bad did he let's say he did cry all right let's
00:46:34
let's say he by his own words he cried to feel emotion whatever emotions he was feeling they
00:46:42
weren't bad enough for him to stop watching this [ __ ] no no no so he didn't feel that bad he may have felt let's say
00:46:49
he did I'll give him the benefit of the doubt he felt bad in the moment if you truly feel bad about something if you
00:46:55
truly feel bad about something he's 100 or should be 100 percent in control of this despicable action that he's doing
00:47:04
repetitiously right but he could he at any time could stop or seek help for this right on a psychology level that's
00:47:12
what makes me wonder it's like you you I mean you look at a Dahmer or somebody like the fantasies that Dahmer was
00:47:18
having were very odd fantasies and and so it's it's it goes back to was this individual born broken
00:47:28
or did they get broken you see what I mean so I it's just I wonder what the hell happened for him to get to
00:47:37
this point or if or if he was just made this sick [Music] so hopefully everybody is all caught up
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00:48:08
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