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[Music] yeah [Music] 14 days after 33 year old Tracy system was last seen the Chevy Blazer that she
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borrowed from her father was found abandoned eight and a half miles from Tracy's apartment Tracy's system's
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remains were found at 70 miles from her apartment and as we know she had been dead for a while probably about 18 days
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and we also know that someone else was driving that Chevy Blazer after her death this reminds me captain of the
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Jennifer kessie Case by the way we covered the Jennifer kessie case in depth in four parts that's episode
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362 through 365 if anyone wants to look those up I am in no way saying that these cases are connected in any
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possible way just kind of stuck on this idea about the vehicles in both cases Jennifer Cassie from Orlando Florida has
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been missing since January 23 of 2006 shortly after she vanished her car was discovered parked around a mile or so
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from her home a local security camera recorded a person parking kessie's car and walking away now that person could
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not be identified due to poor camera quality in the person's face and any distinguishing features being obscured
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now one glaring difference here is obviously in the Tracy System case we have found and recovered her remains I
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know we also know that there was a couple uh unknown couple that was driving the vehicle that eluded law
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enforcement right so in the Cassie case we're not certain what happened to Jennifer but in both cases we have
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recovered the vehicle that the victim was driving and we know that they were moved by somebody else now again here we
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have a very similar situation in the system case the Blazer that Tracy was borrowing turns up with these weird
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people that we don't know we don't know who they were so what were these two people doing in the Blazer doing with
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that Blazer were they simply moving it and almost got caught along the way but were able to duck the police
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or were they responsible for you know does this mean that they're responsible for Tracy's murder or do we have
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something else going on here Captain because we have discussed this several times before in other cases here in the
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garage could this be just one of those weird and rare situations that the real killer simply gets lucky and the case
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becomes more confusing for detectives because our killer got lucky and what I mean by that is there seems to be a
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pretty General belief shared amongst a lot of people that these two people that were seen
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driving the Blazer and then fleeing the vehicle that they're just part of the story but don't really have anything to
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do with what happened to Tracy system well what we know about Tracy is that her body was dumped into a rural area uh
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street that most people wouldn't travel on unless it was a local situation but a
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distance away from where she was last seen you said 70 miles yes is it possible that the killer of Tracy also
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abandoned that vehicle and somebody like you were saying this couple then happens upon that vehicle
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that is kind of the general belief here uh that is shared amongst many people is
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that these two people may have found this vehicle somewhere now keep in mind Tracy is last seen in
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Indianapolis a big city a major city 70 miles from where her remains are found it's very likely whatever happened to
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Tracy happened to her that night at the apartment or right after she left her apartment that night
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so whatever happened to Tracy happened in Indianapolis and if you're going to let's say
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you have a personal cause homicide where you murder someone that is somewhat close to you that there would be an easy
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a direct connection for law enforcement from victim to offender but you have killed somebody that you know
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personal cause homicide and now you are tasked with a couple things right you could just leave the body
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to be discovered and then they can go about their investigation but if you do that you know that they're very quickly
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going to wind up on your doorstep knocking on your door asking you the tough questions what you're tasked with
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is I need to get rid of this body A and B I need to get rid of this vehicle because it's a quick and easy leap from
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body to vehicle when you go you know what okay who cares what she told anybody that day or the weeks before
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if they don't find her and they don't find this vehicle and as long as I can create that delay
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between them locating the vehicle or locating her the more and more this starts to look
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like the people maybe she just took off maybe she just packed up her [ __ ] put it
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in this Blazer and took off well on every missing person case that we we cover we talk about those possibilities
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was there Foul Play did this person want to commit suicide did this person want to take off and
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start a life of their own well and we've talked about several cases where people
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report somebody missing and the local law enforcement agency they don't have something to investigate because the
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adult is allowed to go missing they finish your food before you so I think that's what you're looking at from a
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strategy point and from something you brought up there's a good chance that whoever is responsible for this may have
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moved her vehicle and left it somewhere abandon it and then these people found it
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and moved it and when they get pulled over by the cops they get scared and they you know these could be drug
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users this could be people doing a favor for somebody this could be homeless people it does not have to be somebody
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directly connected to Tracy or her murder well because if you find an abandoned car and let's say you find the
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keys in the car party time well yeah I'm gonna go pick up the captain yeah and we're gonna blast some Bohemian Rhapsody
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don't vomit in the back seat yeah give it if you're gonna spew spewing this but when you have that scenario and you're
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the driver and you see law enforcement you're going to assume that somebody reported the car stolen right because
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you essentially stole the car and we've said it a thousand times vehicles are easier to find than people and the weird
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thing here too is we have information that is telling us that the cause of death in Tracy's case
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was strangulation and then you have that partial box of ammunition in the back seat
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it doesn't sound like some Rando people that are moving this vehicle for you or that that found it abandoned that they
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would leave ammunition in the vehicle for any reason that's just another confusing part of the story that may
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really have nothing to do with anything other than again if you can create a paper trail between that partial box of
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ammunition and somebody else especially somebody in Tracy's Inner Circle well now we have a problem now we have
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something to to talk about and something to investigate like you're also saying a
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really good strategy if something happened in Indianapolis have the vehicle be in Indianapolis yep
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even if it's 10 miles from where Tracy would have been you're not going to be thinking about
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trying to locate a body 75 miles away once you find that vehicle you're going to go okay well now her apartment is
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considered a crime scene and this vehicle is now considered a crime scene so you might again you would have to put
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one plus one plus one equals three you know yeah your strategy would be to want that
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vehicle to be in Indianapolis or as Chaz Barkley would say in the Annapolis but uh yeah you you would want to separate
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yourself from the victim and from her from the crime scene itself too and the best way to do that is not have them
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find the body if you're the perpetrator of this crime and it seems like police were were really working under the
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theory that yes she was killed elsewhere and then dumped in this location but we have her last known whereabouts
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is that apartment so do they believe that she was killed or attacked in that apartment or in the parking lot of her
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apartment complex and then you have the statement from the police this is what's
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interesting though Captain we people go why are you really hyper focused on these ideas it's because police have not
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released very much information in these cases in this case they've not even officially
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released the cause of death so we know that they're very strategic about what they are allowing to come out so they
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probably are only allowing things to come out that they know that they have other proof or evidence that this is
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very much case related this is information that we want to allow to go out to the public and what was that one
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statement that they had that a neighbor or neighbors had seen a suspicious vehicle that they reported to be
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possibly a dark SUV that whole statement too and knowing that the last time she spoke with her mother was 7 P.M that
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night I'm starting to feel like the sun goes down in Indiana that night and something bad happened to
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Tracy in that General location after the sun went down because again I'm going back to the difficult vague description
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provided to police by a potential witness of a possibly dark SUV something either their memory is not
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great or something is causing them to not be able to see the vehicle extremely well over the next couple of years after
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Tracy's body was recovered in 2004 only little bits of information trickled out but nothing that really changed what
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we've already related to you thus far in this case Indiana State Police Sergeant Jeff
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Decker told the Republic that the police were choosing not to release the cause of death so it would not create problems
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in any police interviews Decker did confirm that they believed Tracy to have been killed elsewhere and dumped in the
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area where she was found investigators continue to work the case and would say only that they continue to
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talk with people they haven't ruled either way on this being in or out as possible suspects well people have to
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understand something that simple again you see this in like the Delphi case where people want to know the cause of
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death they want to know what happened they want to know those details they think that somehow those details are
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going to help them solve the case when they're doing their internet web sleuthing right but in this case you
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might have somebody that comes forward and says hey look I was talking with my boyfriend I was talking with my
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girlfriend or whoever I was talking to and they said that they're responsible for her death
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well how did they kill her oh well they said they shot her and if that's not the
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cause of death then you're less likely to believe that lead and people might naturally think
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that she may have been shot and it not be the case at all right right why would they naturally think that because
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ammunition was found in her abandoned vehicle now one thing that did come out this was
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in 2006. just a so what you're saying is by releasing that information it's kind
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of a deceptive way to put out information there that might not actually matter by law enforcement well not only that
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but you may not have any control over it you may be going back and retroactively
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creating that strategy meaning if they announced that the vehicle was found remember the vehicle was found before
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her body was located right and even months before the body was even identified so there may have already
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been information out there to the general public whether it was in a newspaper or on the news or just known
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in her Inner Circle that all they found they found her vehicle before they found
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her body and there was there was bullets in that you know sitting sitting in a box in that back
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the back seat of that vehicle now one thing that did come out in 2006 that the police discovered in their
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investigation and this is per the indie star was that Tracy system was trying to
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kick a drug habit or recently had kicked a drug habit her family said that she had a troubled marriage and that her
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body had no trace of drugs in her system so there was a toxicology report done on
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the body on the remains and there were no drugs found to be in her system at the time of her death well that's what I
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wanted because you know in the missing or the vanishing women case in Chillicothe there was several victims
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that they thought were just overdoses right and so if there's an overdose at a party they don't know what to do and and
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because they're all drug addicts struggling with that addiction they don't want to go to jail so then they
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get right out of there they get rid of the body well in this case we know for sure that it's a homicide the people who
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know Tracy told us that Tracy's a strange husband Michael system had a crack cocaine habit
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and that he had gotten Tracy hooked on drugs as well but we know that they were not together at the time that she
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disappeared and we also know based off of what the family has said that she was trying to
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kick the habit or had kick the habit and then you have to go back to the toxicology report that may back up that
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statement that she did in fact kick the habit and she ain't going back to Michael's system if he's if he's hooked
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on drugs and and part of the problem now clearly based on this clean talks screen at her autopsy
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again we know that this shows Tracy was moving forward moving on from that addiction but her troubles with drugs
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and an ongoing Court situation with her first husband and her estrangement from her second husband and again the unknown
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identity of the people driving the Blazer provided a fairly long list of potential suspects in my opinion yeah I
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agree in 2006 the family announced that they were offering a ten thousand dollar
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reward for credible information on Tracy's death her sister Shelly told the indie star quote we are pleading for any
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information anyone will have on my sister it has been two long years there is a void that makes you wonder how
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Cooperative these X's are with law enforcement because you'd think that even her first husband look he has a he
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has a dog in the fight in the sense they have children together and he would you
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know want to know her whereabouts obviously and then for his children's sake he would want to know one what
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happened to their mother so he can explain that to them later but also who is responsible and to see that
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Justice is done for the mother of his children well and along with this same announcement here captain of the family
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offering up ten thousand dollars reward for credible information on Tracy's death they did quote Rebecca Sandlin who
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is Tracy's mother as saying quote someone out there did this to her it's not fair they are living eating
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breathing having fun acting like nothing happened no something happened something
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terrible happened [Music] all right we're back you filthy filthy filthy animals take a bath
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I could smell you for me somebody in this garage needs to take us away somebody stinks up in this garage oh by
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the way uh TCG 10 gets you 10 off of crime Con in Las Vegas and the plan is that we will be there so that's our
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promo code unless something changes we won't be there I like to say it's a definite but we've been some through
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some trying times yes and we're all in this together so a little stat for you and a hopeful stat is that there were
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three phases of the Spanish flu so we're in the third phase of kovid so maybe we're closer to the end than the
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beginning so keep your fingers crossed and here's something that I found online here captain that I want to make sure
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that we send out to the whole world here because it's a case that's near and dear
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to our hearts the Tony Muncie case which was one of our bonus episodes that we released years ago and still is
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available to this day for purchase and download to listen to but on Sunday August 29th and again this is something
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I found online this is not a direct advertisement so don't don't hold my feet to the Flames here everyone but on
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Sunday August 29th at 10 pm Eastern Tony's episode will be airing on TV on the Investigation Discovery Channel
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so if you want to continue to follow that case and that case was successfully solved check that out on Sunday yeah you
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can find our episode on our website truecrime garage.com or also in the iTunes Store you can buy it directly
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from iTunes I'd recommend getting the episode listening to it and then sitting down and watching what id has to say
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Yeah in 2008 Tracy's case was featured on a deck of playing cards now we've seen this in several other cases
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throughout the years this is a deck of playing cards that is handed out to inmates in the state prison system they
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will often put missing persons or unsolved homicide victims on these playing cards and give them out to the
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inmates because they have time to sit around and play cards and they're hoping that maybe someone will see her picture
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get a little bit of information maybe they know something maybe somebody on the inside has told them something or
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maybe someone they knew on the outside told them something and then they can pass asset information along to law
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enforcement now remember that Tracy's body was found wrapped in a quilt far from the apartment that she was vacating
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found in Rural Brown County investigators said that they had not been able to uncover any Nexus between
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Tracy and that area Tracy was from Indianapolis and had no connection whatsoever that they could find to that
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rural area at all Brown County prosecutor Jim Oliver told the Republic quote she was last seen in Indy she
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lived in Indy we don't know what the Brown County Connection is he said he believed investigators should focus on
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Marion County where Indianapolis is located this seems like a very important hint that officials believe that whoever
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killed Tracy was close to home now before we proceed any further it has to be said that this is one of the most
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frustrating cases that we've looked at in a while due to the lack of information our efforts to obtain
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documents and reports were stonewalled in every direction we submitted foia requests for police
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reports and autopsy reports those were denied but again this case is 17 years old
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right we've not seen a ton of movement on it it's time it's time to put out some more information what's so
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frustrating because you know that there's people involved or people that are possibly
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close to her that have information that they're sitting on and it's you know why
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wait and this idea that somebody committed this murder and just sitting around like eating their hot Cheetos
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having a good time no this is Weighing on them well it weighs on them all the time we managed to unearth some
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information some more information and talk to some sources that we will relay to the listeners and hopes of stirring
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up some interest in Tracy systems case we did a lot of digging in this case to try to get to the bottom of who killed
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Tracy our feeling was that police have to know a lot more than they are saying and I think we're right our sources
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people close to the case we are not naming them tell us that there is indeed a prime suspect a number one suspect in
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the murder of Tracy system and police know exactly who he is we are talking about Tracy's estranged husband Michael
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Lee sissom according to our sources when Tracy went missing and then turned up murdered police went after Michael
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system incredibly hard so she's in them I bet you they thought that they were going to get an arrest and soon a
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conviction early on in this case right police were convinced that Michael had shown up to the apartment that night
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that Tracy was cleaning out and that the two had some kind of altercation and he
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killed her and then dumped her body system was a Indianapolis native as well growing up in the same neighborhood as
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Tracy did but our sources tell us that Michael system had many ties to Brown County as well
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that he grew up hunting in that area and that he is intimately familiar with the
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area where he dumped Tracy or where her remains were found that is interesting we're being told that this guy is the
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prime suspect we're being told by law enforcement the Tracy system has no ties we can't find any connection between our
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victim and where we found her body Brown County how now brown cow yeah but we're
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being told by the sources that not only is this dude the prime suspect but there
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are obvious connections between him the suspect and where the body was later found
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according to the sources Michael was dealing drugs when the police were pressuring him about Tracy's murder
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and the cops started badgering his drug Associates about his activities so the the heat was getting too hot in the hot
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so he skipped town he ended up in Oklahoma and then he was in Missouri for a while where he beat up a guy who owed
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him money from a pool game apparently he beat this guy up so bad that he was arrested in January 2006 and he was
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facing a decades-long sentence for the assault some have said that the woman that he
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married right around that same time he married this quote-unquote girlfriend so that she could not testify against him
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and then all of the other Witnesses were deemed incompetent in that case because
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they had all been drinking in the bar when the fight occurred so these charges Captain end up getting reduced to
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felony theft right so he beats up this guy the motive for beating him up was because the guy owed him money from a
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pool game well apparently after he beat up this guy he took that money from the dude so
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they didn't charge him with the physical assault they charged him with stealing the money well how much money I you know
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I don't know how much it was but what happens here is not only a five dollar bill and a coke not only do the charges
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get reduced but the sentence gets reduced as well so he he ends up looking at decades long or more charges
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originally this ends up only being with him taking a plea deal and getting sentenced to six years he ends up
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serving one now here's what we've learned obviously Michael system has a violent past in which he faced charges
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for that assault right but women who have dated him say that he would choke them and that he was abusive
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during their relationships what a romantic they said that at first he would come across as a great guy but
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then he would become emotionally and physically abusive and manipulative he assaulted one woman he lived with in
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Indiana after his release from prison and when she filed charges and saw a restraining order he sent someone over
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to tell her to keep quiet so there is a conviction on his record relating to that incident
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a misdemeanor battery charge for the assault which occurred December 23 2008. he also has a disorderly conduct
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conviction in Indiana from 2002 and as we said he did a little bit of time in prison for that Missouri assault
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on the pool player so as a violent temperament and he likes to put his hands on women that's what we are being
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told Tracy's family has not spoken out to the media directly about Michael and Tracy's relationship
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and whether it was violent or not uh but we do know the two were estranged and Tracy was living on her own in that
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apartment that she was clearing out when she vanished and our sources tell us that Tracy had filed for and been
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awarded a restraining order against Michael so if if the dead could talk then that's
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Tracy telling us that yes this guy was violent to me toward me as well Tracy and Michael met I guess much
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earlier in life when they were in high school Michael actually dated Tracy's younger sister Shelly now Shelley was
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the most vocal advocate for her sister's case Shelly would even call up Michael system and beg him to provide the family
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with answers and Tracy's death asking him to confess to the murder for the sake of their child because remember the
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two had a kid together and not only that residents of the tight-knit community where both Tracy's family and Michael's
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family live I'm being told that it they all seem to know that Michael had something to do
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with Tracy's death that this is sort of an Open Secret in that area well here again let's go through the list real
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quick violent temperament puts his hands on women we have a restraining order that was issued against him
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from the victim and he has connections to Brown County which he would his connections are not
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just that he knew the area but he was very familiar with the rural parts of the area because he went there to hunt
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not only that some are saying the specific area where Tracy was later found right
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now let's go back to 2004 Right Around The Disappearance time when Tracy disappeared Michael system was telling
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people who asked about you know what happened to his wife that she had left permanently
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that she had taken the two girls and left and then went to live in various crack houses in Indianapolis
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he said that he had gotten her out of the crack houses and moved her in with his mother and that one day she went to
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pick up her child support payment from her ex-husband and he warned her not to blow it on drugs and she just never came
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back okay so of course this story is absolutely ridiculous this is what our Prime Suspect is telling people in town
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so this okay this wiener spanker he is saying oh no no no no no no she she laughed and and she was she was going to
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all these different crack houses and I'm the one that that was trying to get her clean yeah he's saying hey don't
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be doing that stuff around our kids and don't be spending your money on drugs but the problem with his story Captain
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is this does not account for any of the time that she's living on her own in her
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own apartment or moving in with her mother borrowing the Blazer from her father to move you know what I mean it's
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it's like a convenient way for him to explain away why she is not around anymore
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and blame it on the victim and what's interesting here too you go okay well what does any of this mean does it mean
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anything Nick and I say yes it does it what it means to me is you have her other family the rest of her family are
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going where is she we don't know what happened to her oh but this guy's got a story right right he's got a story a
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story that we know does not line up with the facts of her life leading up to her
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disappearance how convenient and he can say whatever he wants I that's the unfortunate truth here that's the harsh
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truth here is it the the possible offender lives to Die Another Day and can tell
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whatever tale he wants between then and now she's not here to to defend herself and and tell us exactly what
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happened what we do know from the talks report Captain is that drugs were not found in her system when she was
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murdered right so look like you said he can say anything he decided to create some story some fictitious [ __ ]
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and it doesn't make any logical sense with what we know that she was moving out of her apartment and she's going to
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move in with her family that she borrowed her father's vehicle it doesn't make any logical sense but it
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doesn't matter to him he just this is the story I'm going to tell and I'm just going to stick to that and you can you
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know it's [ __ ] because you go it doesn't make any logical sense well and what it looks like to me here Captain is
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that the family's theory is that Tracy was at her apartment loading things into the Blazer as she said to everyone
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Michael must have shown up despite this restraining order the two argued he strangled her then he wrapped her
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body in a quilt and drove her to another part of the state a part of the state that he is familiar with to dump her
00:34:50
and here's the thing too it would be really important and I know that the family's not been very vocal and Shelley
00:34:57
was really Tracy's most vocal Advocate sadly Shelley has passed away in the Years
00:35:06
so it would be really interesting to know and I think it would be important to know whether the quilt Tracy was
00:35:11
wrapped up in was this recognized by her family as one that belonged to her or the family or is this something that we
00:35:19
can put up there and say look this this quilt did not come from the victim did not come from the victim's
00:35:26
family are most the best explanation we would have is that it belonged to the killer
00:35:32
well and the tough thing here again is if the point of interception or the point
00:35:40
of abduction is her apartment what was she doing at the time she was packing up stuff
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so the killer would have plenty of opportunity especially when you're moving you have your boxes everywhere
00:35:52
and things are open and you're packing blankets that you normally don't use did they just pull this quilt from our
00:35:59
own belongings did they move her body with her father's Blazer these are things obviously we don't know
00:36:06
but a very good point if the family goes we don't know whose quilt this is never seen it before
00:36:14
but but then the difficult thing is it's if you say well this quilt is from her ex-husband
00:36:21
well one could argue well maybe she took that with her when she moved out so that that becomes
00:36:28
the difficulty thing or if you go well that quilt is from you know uh from his mother's house
00:36:38
or something I still think that becomes difficult to prove because they they did
00:36:44
have a relationship they were married they did live together for a time period some of his belongings could have become
00:36:51
hers another thing that would be very helpful to know is what happened with this Chevy
00:36:56
Blazer right how did how did it get into the possession of this man and woman who ditched it when
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they were pulled over by police well I bet mine hurt I would bet money that maybe your ex he's sitting there going
00:37:09
oh yeah I had to go around to different crack houses and get her out of those crack houses okay you're a crackhead
00:37:16
yourself that means you run in circles with crackheads it probably won't be that
00:37:20
hard to sell that car for a little bit of drugs it's a nice vehicle hey if you just give
00:37:28
me some drugs I'll give you this vehicle well in this look he's not a great guy he's not even a good guy right this
00:37:35
Michael guy that we've discussed oh he's a bag of [ __ ] but everything I've been
00:37:39
told is he's a you know he's an intelligent man and that he's would not be dumb enough to if he killed Tracy he
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would not be dumb enough to be driving around the Chevy Blazer that he would have known better than to drive around
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the vehicle that was tied to his missing and murdered wife with whom he was not supposed to be in contact with
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right the people close to the case believe that he likely ditched it somewhere which makes sense so that
00:38:06
somebody else could magically come along and steal it in the middle of the night
00:38:09
or that maybe you know if he if he is dealing drugs then maybe he traded it off to one of
00:38:17
his drug Associates or called in a favor from somebody well again that goes back
00:38:24
to the circle of people that he runs around with you have a currency that's different than money because you
00:38:31
have addicts and so they sometimes they'll do things that they normally wouldn't do maybe at some point they
00:38:40
were a good person but because of this addiction they'll steal from their families they'll still from others
00:38:46
they'll burglarize the neighborhood uh they'll steal from little kids they might even murder somebody well and you
00:38:53
have a situation here that I find to be very interesting Captain where we have the potential of other suspects right we
00:39:00
have a fairly large suspect pool that I would say we have it could be an unknown
00:39:05
person it could be these two unknown people that were seen driving the vehicle it could be her first husband
00:39:11
but what we end up having at the end of the day is sources telling us no it was the most recent husband it was Michael's
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system and he had a violent past he was not supposed to be around her and he probably was trolling her and bothering
00:39:25
her and that somehow they met up or he found her that night cleaning out the apartment and they got into some kind of
00:39:34
altercation well no I I would lean towards that because I think the other thing too is
00:39:39
she's not found with drugs in her system and so that was probably a control technique for him hey I'm using drugs if
00:39:47
I get you hooked on drugs I can control you more we already know he's abusive and one of the things that abusive men
00:39:55
do is they divide and conquer divide them from their family divide them from their their actual personality by
00:40:03
getting them hooked on a substance and one of the things that I believe and I don't know if how true it is but what
00:40:12
I believe is sometimes these guys get in these horrible rages when they realize I can't control this
00:40:19
person anymore I have lost the ability to continue the path of abusing them and doing whatever I wish to them and having
00:40:29
them be under my control so we already see some kind of Separation she's living our own apartment but maybe he shows up
00:40:37
that day and realizes she's clean she has kicked the habit she's kicked me out she's kicked the habit she's moving back
00:40:45
in with her parents I can't control her anymore and then flies into a rage and not only that if everything that we're
00:40:52
being told is true Michael was an addict himself I don't know his current situation but you just
00:41:00
said all of the things that that people that are drug addicted may do for money or for whatever other resource
00:41:08
he was an addict at the time of her disappearance so that becomes a whole nother
00:41:14
possibility it could be it could be the the drugs are more responsible for his actions than he is
00:41:22
and that's where look he got a plea deal one time in in Missouri there's still time if he in fact did
00:41:28
this there's still time for him to do the right thing and if he's not going to do the right thing there's other people
00:41:34
out there that know I I'm convinced of that that there would probably usually these people
00:41:41
even in personal cause homicides usually they tell somebody something and I gotta
00:41:48
believe man if this guy is hanging out with people that aren't so much on the up and up or if he had a call in a favor
00:41:53
to have the vehicle moved or or help him in any part of cleaning up and covering
00:41:58
up this murder right somebody definitely knows something well it makes you wonder
00:42:03
what happened to the children because like you're saying this is 17 years ago and yes she had three children they're
00:42:11
all grown adults now they grew up without a mother but they also grew up without knowing what happened to their
00:42:19
mom yep and again like we said of what we suspect is that she kicked a habit that she was turning her life around and
00:42:27
like I've always said like and we see it a lot of times with True Crime cases where they don't get as much attention
00:42:34
because you find out that the person was suffering with an addiction and I always go well it's just as sad to
00:42:40
me because they lost the opportunity to turn everything around they lost the opportunity to become
00:42:48
maybe what they were supposed to become all along but they got sidetracked and so these poor children grow up not
00:42:56
knowing what happened to their mom probably being fed lies from other parts of their family they deserve answers
00:43:03
just as well as the rest of her family does her oldest two were raised by her husband you know their father and then
00:43:12
her youngest who she had with Michael system was eventually raised by Tracy's family they're probably all in lockstep
00:43:23
with of trying to figure out what happened not just to their mother but to their daughter their sister and so on
00:43:30
now as we said Captain this is a very frustrating case Tracy deserves Justice and so far she has not received it based
00:43:38
on what we were able to learn this is one of those cases like another Indiana case that we've covered of a murdered
00:43:44
wife Charisse Bingham where police know who did it but for whatever reason the powers that be
00:43:51
don't feel like they have enough to bring charges we can only hope that the Indiana State Police Detective Chris
00:43:58
fears who told us that this is an open and active investigation is correct and that this case is being worked and might
00:44:07
one day be solved the recent arrests of Heidi fergus's husband Nick 11 years after her murder also gives us hope that
00:44:15
this even after all of these years have passed that these murdered wives can find Justice
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foreign [Music] if you have any information that can help in this case of Tracy system or any
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of the other Indiana cases that we have mentioned in today's podcast please contact the Indiana State Police at
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1-317-232-8262 or for other ways to reach out to the Indiana State Police you can go on their website at
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garage joining us in here being our friends being our buddies and for that we got a little something for you how
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about some recommended reading thank you Captain this week we are recommending the corridor Killer by prolific and New
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York Times best-selling true crime author Catherine ramsland this book the corridor killer is not about just one
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particular killer but about several true crime stories from the great state of Delaware check out the corridor killer
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good be kind and don't litter [Music]