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people. And that is enough of the business. All right, everybody gather around, grab a
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chair, grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. The following is from the Arizona Republic newspaper.
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Tuesday, November 30th, 2004. The headline read, "Armored car guard shot, killed.
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Slayer flees on bike after Ahwatukee robbery." The article by Emily Bitner reads in
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part, "An armored car guard was ambushed and killed on Monday, November 29th, 2004
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in Ahwatukee foothills in which the shooter escaped on a bicycle. Robert Keith Palomares, just aged 24,
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was carrying the weekend deposits out of the AMC Ahwatukee 24 movie theater. The shooter
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lay in wait near a ticket booth. Keith Palomares, a guard for Dunbar Armored, did not have a chance to draw his gun.
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He was wearing body armor, but was shot several times and died later. The other guard
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stayed in the vehicle, which is standard procedure when one guard is making a collection.
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Police declined to disclose how much money was taken. Witnesses said that the suspect rode a
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black and red mountain bike southeast away from the Arrowhead Foothills Town Center and carried the black and tan
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money bag. He is described as a 25-to-30-year-old man, about 5 ft 8 in tall. He was wearing a
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dark hooded sweatshirt or jacket and dark jeans. Authorities set up a perimeter around
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the theater, but investigators have no good leads. Police found a bicycle abandoned nearby,
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but it did not fit witnesses' description of the robber's bike. Video surveillance from nearby
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businesses was not helpful in identifying a suspect. A spokesman for Dunbar, which at the
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time was the largest private armored car service in the country, said that fatal
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robberies are rare, but that its employees put their lives on the line daily. Keith Palomares, the guard that was shot
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and killed on that Monday morning back in 2004, was just 24 years old. He had his whole life and future in
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front of him. He was working hard in the early stages of building a career. And just months before his death,
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he celebrated his first wedding anniversary. Make no mistakes about it. This was not just a robbery. This was
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cold-blooded, premeditated, first-degree murder. Did the shooter do this for personal
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profit or self-preservation? At the end of the day, none of that matters. It certainly didn't matter for Keith
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Palomares' family. And it did not matter to the Phoenix Police or the Federal Bureau of
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Investigation. Robbing an armored truck is a federal crime. The manhunt was on. In the early stages of their
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investigation, detectives and agents learned that the man that they were looking for
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was Jason Derek Brown. American Murderer. This is True Crime Garage. American Murderer Jason Derek Brown has
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been on the run from the FBI and the Phoenix Police now for all about 17 years, 330 days if my calculations are
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correct there, Captain. Currently, Jason Derek Brown is 53 years of age. He is wanted for unlawful flight to avoid
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prosecution, first-degree murder, and armed robbery. And I would like everyone to pay close attention here because the
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number one purpose of this episode is to locate, apprehend, and charge Jason Brown with murder, deliver him to the
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courts for sentencing. Because this guy's been on the run for far too long for a crime that is
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completely senseless, totally heinous, and this guy should be locked up. When Jason Brown went on the run, he was
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listed as 5 ft 10 in tall and 170 to 180 lb. He is Caucasian with blonde hair and
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green eyes. He speaks French fluently. According to Fox News, Jason Brown loves to go out
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drinking and doesn't have close ties to his family except for his brother. He enjoys skiing, snowboarding, and
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riding dirt bikes and ATVs. He kept his house extremely clean, requiring visitors to remove their shoes before
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entering. That could be a possible identifier. Uh he is believed to be using aliases
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that include Jason D. Brown, Derek Brown, Greg Johnson, Hairline Johnson, Greg Hairline Johnson,
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John Brown, and Jay Brown are just some of the aliases that he may have used in the past or maybe currently using. Well,
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Jason is well-built. And to describe his hair at the time that he went missing, it was almost like
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he was doing his best Pauly D. Almost like he had a blowout. At one time, the FBI was offering a $100,000
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reward for information leading to Jason Derek Brown's arrest. I don't know the current reward for his
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capture, although I am positive that there would be one. Authorities provided age progression photos of Jason Brown to
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news outlets years ago, and we will post those on some of our socials. On Twitter
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for sure, follow me @TCGNIC, and follow the show @TrueCrimeGarage. He's one of those ones, Captain, that he
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when he hit the list, when he first went onto the FBI's 10 Most Wanted Fugitive List,
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he was mentioned in several news articles as looking like Sean Penn and looking like a surfer dude. And that's
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why a lot of people thought that he kind of stood out from the other nine individuals that were on the list.
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And his FBI most wanted picture Jason in his red hoodie became very famous. You saw this on Dateline. You
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saw this on other news networks and all over the internet. Some of you that paid close attention to
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today's trailer and if you are a long-time listener of this fine program, then you are thinking this case sounds
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familiar and you would be right. That is because we discussed this case on some old shows that were titled Most Wanted.
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Those shows were released back in early August of 2017 and they are episodes number 130 and 131 on your True Crime
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Garage listening dial. Thousands of wonderful people listened to those two episodes. One person in particular who
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we know that was listening is friend of the show Matthew Gentile. Matthew is a writer and director who I'm certain is
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on his way to Hollywood greatness. Matthew became quite fixated on this case, the details of the events leading
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up to Jason Brown committing this murder and then Jason fleeing the area and now
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Jason is on the run, an American murderer and more importantly an American fugitive.
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Back in 2017 when we covered the FBI 10 Most Wanted Fugitives, Jason Derek Brown was on that
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list. This robbery homicide or as the FBI Crime Classification Manual may classify this as a profit felony
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homicide took place in 2004 as described in the trailer. But on December 8th, 2007,
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Jason Derek Brown was named by the FBI as the 489th fugitive to be placed on its 10 most
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wanted list. He is considered to be armed and extremely dangerous. A little bit of follow-up here, Captain, because
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that list, that 10 most wanted list, has changed considerably since we covered it 5 years ago.
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Right. In fact, earlier this year, in early September, so on September 7th of 2022,
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Jason Derek Brown was actually removed from the 10 most wanted list without being captured. However, of course, he
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is still wanted. He is still a wanted man. He was replaced on the list by Michael James Pratt. And actually, there
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was a bit of a news break here. You can go to fbi.gov and research all the people that have been added to the list,
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removed to the list for whatever reason. If you look up Jason Derek Brown, again, he's number 489th.
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He was added in December of 2007 and was removed in September of this year. And then under that, it states, "Jason
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Derek Brown is wanted for the murder and armed robbery of an armored car guard in
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Phoenix, Arizona in November of 2004." He was removed from the list after it was determined that he no longer fit the
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criteria for inclusion on the list. Yeah, which is obviously a vague explanation. Yeah,
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and like I said, the the list has changed considerably since we covered it 5 years ago. Jason Derek Brown is not on
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there currently. Also, of course, there were several wanted fugitives that were located and apprehended since 2017. So,
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they've been removed for the purpose for that purpose. And I know one of the cases that we highlighted in those
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episodes, the individual turned himself in to police. Now, there were two others
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that we covered that were removed from the list just like Jason Derek Brown was. And this was a little surprising to
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me and we'll get into the workings of the FBI's 10 most wanted list here in a minute, but it was surprising to me when
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I looked up the list, Captain, cuz this is something that I do look up a couple times a year. I don't stay on top of it
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weekly or anything like that, but look it up a couple times a year and I've noticed that a lot of the faces that
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were on there in 2007 are no longer on there. There's one, Alexis Flores or Alexi Flores if I'm pronouncing his name
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correctly. I recognize him as still being on there from five five years earlier, but Jason Derek Brown was
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removed. Another guy that we covered is this William Bradford Bishop Jr. Remember he was the man that murdered
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his family and he's been on the run ever since. And he's been on the run for a very
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very long time. He was actually removed from the list in 2018. So, less than a year after we covered
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the 10 most wanted list, he was removed and it simply states that he was removed
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from the list making room for the FBI to put another dangerous fugitive on the list. He had been on the list for a
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considerable amount of time. He would have been 81 years of age if if in fact he is still alive. He would have been 81
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years old in 2018 when they removed him from the list. Yeah, on the run shiting his pants not
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because he's scared, but because of his age. Another individual that was removed
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and he was removed rather recently as well. Is this Robert William Fisher. Some of
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our listeners may know him. There is a documentary out there that was released in 2011.
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Documentary is titled Where is Robert Fisher? I know it was on Amazon for quite some
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time and maybe on Netflix. So, I'm sure a lot of our listeners have watched or viewed that. This documentary relies
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heavily on interviews with journalists and detectives and features interviews with Robert Fisher's sister
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and one of his neighbors. And the documentary includes home footage of Fisher taken by his wife Mary, which was
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described as eerie and disturbing because the crime that he is wanted for is the murder of his family and then he
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set the home on fire afterwards. Now, he was allegedly You know, this is all alleged activity. None of this has been
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proven even with William Bradford Bishop Jr. It's not been proven in court that Jason Derek
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Brown killed the armed guard. And it's not proven that Robert William Fisher. But in all three
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of these cases we're talking about, this is the prime suspect in all three of these cases. These three guys are still
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wanted. In the case of Robert Fisher and William Bradford Bishop Jr. Those two were considered to be the only suspect
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in those crimes and because they fled and they have the police have proof in both cases that they fled
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well, then they were placed on this 10 most wanted list and they're considered a a fugitive by the FBI
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on the federal level. And then with our guy, with the subject of today's show, of this week's shows, Jason Derek Brown
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they were able to recover fingerprints from the getaway bicycle that was used during the commission of this robbery
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homicide that was committed by again allegedly Jason Derek Brown, but we can sit here Captain the two of us and with
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all garage confidence say Jason Derek Brown committed this murder. That is why the FBI has been looking for him all of
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these years. Yeah, you're absolutely correct. If one were to go to fbi.gov you could look up
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the current 10 most wanted list as it is today, but a little history a little background on the list itself before we
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get into more of the story about Jason Derek Brown. The FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives list has been in existence
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since March 14th, 1950. This is when a reporter for the International News Service asked the
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Bureau for the names and descriptions of the quote toughest guys the Bureau would
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like to capture. The resulting story generated so much publicity and had so much appeal
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that late FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover implemented the 10 most wanted fugitives program. The first person to be placed
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on the list was Thomas James Holden wanted for the murder of his wife, her brother and her stepbrother.
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Since its inception 529 fugitives have been on the 10 most wanted fugitives list and
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happy to report here that 492 of them have been apprehended or located. Yeah, I'd give that a hell yeah. Go team
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America. Some interesting facts about the program are 163 fugitives have been captured
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located as a result of citizen cooperation. So the list is working in that regard.
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Two fugitives were apprehended as a result of visitors on an FBI tour. The shortest amount of time spent on the 10
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Most Wanted Fugitives list was 2 hours. This guy was only on the list for 2 hours. This was Billy Austin Bryant back
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in 1969. The longest amount of time spent on the 10 Most Wanted Fugitives list was over
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32 years by Victor Manuel Gerena. Nine fugitives were arrested prior to publication
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and release. So, they were added to the list, but it before it could be released
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to the public, they were actually apprehended. So, I guess they're still considered to be officially on the list.
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The oldest person to be placed on the list was 80-year-old Eugene Palmer, who was added in May of 2019.
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And of course, this program relies heavily on the assistance of citizens and the media.
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Publicity from coast to coast and around the world has been important to this list in helping to apprehend some of
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these fugitives. Like we said, it's been very successful, the program. 492 have been apprehended or located out of
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the 529 fugitives that have been placed on the list. Media's involvement and participation in this list and sharing
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this list in other countries has been very important to capturing these criminals. As one can imagine, a lot of
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these fugitives are on the run and when on the run, a lot of them will flee to other countries given the opportunity.
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And so, this program and the media's involvement with this program and putting out these guys'
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pictures, we say guys because most of the people on this list have been of the male type and pictures of these
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guys and what their crimes are and what aliases they may be using, where they may be hiding out, all of that
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information when broadcast globally is so important because a lot of these dudes will flee to other countries and
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many of them have been apprehended in other countries. And like we said, you can check out this list at fbi.gov.
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And one of the fascinating things about the website itself is on fbi.gov, there's some frequently asked questions
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about the list. So, we're going to dive into a couple of those. Yeah, we cherry-picked a few of these
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because there's some that are natural questions that I think pop in one's mind immediately once thinking about the 10
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Most Wanted List or viewing the current status as it is of the 10 Most Wanted List. So,
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the first question is what is the purpose of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted Fugitives Program? The answer, the 10
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Most Wanted Fugitives Program is a publicity program funded by the FBI that started in March of 1950 in conjunction
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with the nation's news media. It is designed to publicize particularly dangerous fugitives who might not
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otherwise merit nationwide attention. The FBI recognizes the need for public assistance in tracking fugitives. 163
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of the 10 Most Wanted Fugitive apprehensions have been the result of citizen recognition of the 10 Most
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Wanted Fugitive. Well, this kind of goes to the idea of our true crime podcast or is true crime media sources
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is this important to law enforcement? I think if you talk to the dummies the big the big big dummies
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they would tell you, "No, we don't we don't need these podcasts covering these cases or putting out information."
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And sometimes the information that people are putting out is incorrect. But if you talk to
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the good guys on the force most of them will tell you, "Look, these are helpful. It's helpful for people to
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be talking about these cases and sharing information online and sharing uh pictures and sharing
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sharing the story because some people will come out later with little details because they they hear about this
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they hear about a show covering a case and they feel like it's important to share their details about the case which
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they may have never shared with law enforcement before. Well, and what's so interesting too here in this situation
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is today is really a weird episode for us, right? Because we feature unsolved cases, we feature solved cases, we
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feature missing persons cases, we've done several suspicious deaths or undetermined cause of death cases,
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suicide, homicide, sometimes it's not so clear. This is the rare show that we actually feature a case where I would
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consider it to be solved as in we know what happened, how it went down, and who was responsible but not solved in the
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sense that the man is not behind bars. The person responsible, the person who committed this horrible serious crime
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is not been apprehended, not been located. Well, and on top of that then you can go
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further and say, "Well, this is a solved crime yet not solved but we also have a missing person
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because we do not know where Jason is and we don't know if Jason is still alive. So then the aspect of the way you
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look into a missing person case is very similar on how you have to look into Jason's case as well. Another frequently
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asked question is who actually decides which fugitives go on the list. The answer
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The Criminal Investigative Division CID at FBI headquarters calls upon all 56 field offices to submit candidates for
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the FBI's 10 most wanted fugitives list. The nominees received are reviewed by special agents in the CID and the Office
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of Public Affairs. The selection of the proposed candidates is then forwarded to
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FBI executive management for final approval. So there is quite the process involved for putting somebody on this
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list. And what is the criteria for getting on that list or being placed on the list? First, the individual must
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have a lengthy record of committing serious crimes and or be considered a particularly dangerous menace to society
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due to current criminal charges. Second, it must be believed that the nationwide
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publicity afforded by the program can be of assistance in apprehending the fugitive who in turn should not already
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be notorious due to other publicity. So I I'm going to kind of throw something out there that goes to the early part of
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that last statement. It doesn't follow through with the second part of it, but here is a unique
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situation because we mentioned Matthew Gentile earlier and the reason why we said that we know he was listening to
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our most wanted episodes back in 2017 is because he told us he was and partly he
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was listening because he became fixated on the Jason Derek Brown case and he went on to write the movie and direct
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the movie that is in select theaters now called American Murder which is all about the Jason Derek Brown case. Now,
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we sit here in late October of 2022. Jason Derek Brown having been removed from the list in September of this year,
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but what's interesting to me here Captain is I think we were able to watch the movie and I very much enjoyed the
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movie but one of the disappointing aspects to the movie to me was I thought that it would have been better served
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that they actually show Jason Derek Brown's picture, that famous picture of his that was taken days before he
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commits the homicide and it's put that was his FBI most wanted list picture. I thought that that would have been smart
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by the movie makers. They chose to go different route and they featured a picture of the actor that plays him
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instead. The other misstep that I think is is had here is by the FBI itself. Now, I don't know that they had any
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information that this movie would be coming out. It's a little weird that he's removed from the list just months,
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well, not even a full 2 months before this movie comes out. But I think that the
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movie and the FBI working hand-in-hand together, the publicity that this movie could generate could be a really good
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tool for law enforcement with the purpose of maybe potentially apprehending this guy finally after all
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of these years. Well, and if you read about Jason's case, it also seems like out of all the people on the most wanted
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list they get so many calls about him, sightings that people think they saw Jason somewhere.
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So, like you said, now that there's going to be more publicity about this case and more
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people talking about this case, to remove him right before that kind of seems a little silly. Yeah, and
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so I don't know if they were aware that this movie was coming out, but regardless,
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today they would be because the movie's in theaters now. It was in theaters as of last Friday, I believe, the 21st.
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And we recently have one of the current 10 most wanted fugitives was recently captured. This is Rafael Caro Quintero.
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So, you may have an opening on that list, and I do know that there have been, in certain instances, back
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throughout history, that an individual has been placed on the list more than one time. So, what what I'm begging of
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the FBI is use this tool that came out with this movie coming out as an excuse to let's put him back on the list. He He
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He's certainly not less wanted today than he was yesterday. Right. Put him back on the list. He's
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incredibly dangerous. He is a menace to society. He clearly fits the criteria because he has been on
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the list before. I'm sure there's already workings to put somebody on this list to take the place of the
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captured Rafael Caro Quintero, but if it's not Jason Derek Brown, I'm asking, let it be Jason Derek Brown because this
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is the opportunity that you can have your 56 field offices. You can get Let's get one person from each field office to
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contact a media outlet, a news outlet, and say, "Hey, Hey, screw them, Schaefer.
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We got some news for you. People want They crave, unfortunately, true crime news.
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It's It's all over the place. It's not just on podcasts, it's on these local news
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stations frequently. As of the It's always been in the news, but in the last several years it's ramped up quite a
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bit. So, let's get somebody from these field offices to contact a news outlet and
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say, "Hey, I've got a a story for you. Here's this guy that's wanted by the FBI. He's been on our FBI wanted list
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all of these years. He was removed from the list because of Yada yada yada. Da da da da da. They don't give a
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complete reason why or a very firm reason why. But tell us why he was removed and say, "Hey, look, we've
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placed him back on the list because we need the public's help to apprehend this individual. Now there's this movie
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that's come out, American Murderer, that's about the story, that's about Jason Derek Brown. We would like We
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would like to take this moment to broadcast this out to as many people as possible. And I think now is a good
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time. I think the last time that they produced age progression photos of Jason Derek Brown, I believe might have been
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2013 or 2014. I think now's the time to update those as well. And let's start peddling this picture out and this name
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and this story out to every news outlet that we can get out there because I think that this could, if he is still
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out there somewhere and within the long reach of the law, now's the time to get this guy.
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statute of limitation on murder, but you also wonder what the intel of the FBI is.
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And also, is it possible that they get intel of where they think he is, they get a lot more sightings, they're
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tracking this individual, they end up pulling him off the list cuz they want him to feel
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a little more safe. And maybe by pulling him off the list, they think maybe he will become more vulnerable
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uh because he will feel safe and maybe that will lead to the the capture of Jason Derek Brown.
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A lot more to get to after this quick beer break. All right, we are back. Cheers, mate.
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Cheers to you, Captain. Uh some other questions that I find interesting that are on the FBI's website and this is
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really plays to our individual that we are seeking help with, Jason Derek Brown.
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One question is when are fugitives removed from the list? The answer, 10 most wanted fugitives are only removed
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from the list when they meet one of the following conditions. First, they are captured. That makes sense.
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Duh. Second, the federal process pending against the individual is dismissed. This is not an FBI decision. So, this
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sounds like if you were placed on the list, you were wanted for these reasons for
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for it being believed that you committed these crimes. Well, at some point evidence could
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change that and maybe you are no longer considered a suspect that they would remove you for that purpose. And then
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the third answer that they give, this is the vague area where I believe like Jason Derek Brown and some of the others
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that we mentioned Bishop Jr. and Fisher, Robert William Fisher may fall. It says third, they no longer
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fit 10 most wanted fugitives criteria. So, that's a nice vague answer. Now, it says that in the 13 cases where
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fugitives were removed for the third reason, it was determined that each fugitive was no longer considered to be
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a particularly dangerous menace to society. When a fugitive is removed from the list, another is added to take his
00:35:06
or her place. So, where you have somebody like William Bradford Bishop Jr. who has been on the run for so long, is
00:35:17
81 years of age at the time when you remove him from the list in 2018, that makes some sense because they're
00:35:24
probably thinking like, "Look, this dude's been on the list for all of these years. Him being on the list has
00:35:31
clearly not led to us finding him or him being apprehended. And now if he is if he is still alive,
00:35:40
he would be old, he would be ancient, he'd be 81 years old. He may not be particularly dangerous to society if he
00:35:48
is still alive, but there's also the added factor that he might not be alive. And now he's just this cog,
00:35:55
you know, he's just this this thing that's jamming up a spot on your 10 most wanted fugitives list. So, I think at
00:36:02
some point you do have to decide, do we take these guys off? Uh but but what's interesting to me here, captain, is what
00:36:08
we're seeing is this list has been around since 1950. We talked about the numbers, 529
00:36:15
individuals making this list since 1950. Over 400 of them have been apprehended.
00:36:22
It's got a really good success rate. And And they're saying only 13 cases do we have where a fugitive was removed for
00:36:30
the third reason. Was not captured or the federal process pending against the individual dismissed. Well, what we know
00:36:37
about Jason Derek Brown, this douchebag boner boner hanger, he was not caught and the
00:36:45
charges were not dropped. So again, maybe if there's some intel that they have that possibly he is
00:36:54
deceased. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me, especially when you read in
00:37:00
so many articles and so much information out there saying this guy is one of the number one calls
00:37:06
that the FBI gets is about Jason Brown. So if you're getting all these calls and you got to assume that that some of
00:37:15
these calls are credible leads that you would not want to stop that information from coming in. Yeah, and
00:37:22
again, we will post those pictures. I hope that they update the age progression photos of Jason Derek Brown.
00:37:30
I think now would be a good as good of a time as any and a good excuse to update
00:37:36
those photos and get those back out to the public. Now, one outlet, we we discussed news outlets earlier and how I
00:37:45
would use them if I were at the FBI and in relation to Jason's case. But one news outlet that was doing such
00:37:53
stories was News 12, NBC News 12 out of Arizona. When back in 2017, they were running regular segments on
00:38:04
their news what they were calling Arizona's Most Wanted. And of course, they featured Jason Derek Brown's case
00:38:12
then and there. And I wanted to read some parts of that article because it gives some further explanation and more
00:38:20
detail about this individual, this wanted individual, and the crime that he is accused of committing.
00:38:29
And it reads, "Wanted for first-degree murder, armed robbery, and unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. The FBI and
00:38:37
Phoenix police say Jason Derek Brown murdered Dunbar armored car guard Keith Palomares
00:38:45
after he collected the box office receipts from the AMC theaters in Ahwatukee on November 29th, 2004. Ahwatukee is in
00:38:55
Arizona. FBI supervisory special agent Lance Leising says Brown fired six rounds from
00:39:03
a .45 caliber semi-automatic. Five bullets into Palomares' head. The FBI says Brown got away with $56,000
00:39:13
in the money bag. He took off on a mountain bike from the side alley of the movie theater. The bike was later
00:39:20
recovered and was dusted for prints. The FBI says the prints matched that of Jason Derek Brown, who had previous
00:39:28
arrests. The agent in charge was among the first to respond to the scene. And he goes on
00:39:35
to say, "When we responded to that 911 call, you had you kind of have an idea in your head of
00:39:41
what the criminal's going to be like, maybe his previous history. When you respond to a crime of this magnitude,
00:39:48
you expect that the suspect is going to have a lengthy criminal history. So, this crime, this murder, to break it
00:39:56
down even further, note the date there, November 29th, 2004. That would have been
00:40:05
a Monday, and this was the Monday after the long Thanksgiving weekend. And we all know how busy the movie theaters get
00:40:15
on Thanksgiving Day weekend. Really, what Jason Derek Brown's plan was that this would be a huge score.
00:40:24
That this would be one of the best days to hit this kind of robbery because it would be a big take. That the
00:40:33
the movie theater would have had a really big weekend and he would be making off with a ton of money. Now,
00:40:40
what's so cold-blooded and calculated and this is why Jason Derek Brown deserves to be on this list and this is
00:40:47
why I consider him to still be a menace to society. Think about how cold-blooded
00:40:52
this homicide is. He knew going into this that he was going to kill somebody. Yeah, it wasn't a robbery that went
00:40:59
wrong. No. This was part of the plan. This is premeditated murder. He knew he had
00:41:05
watched that movie theater. He had watched that truck, that armored car pull up and pick up that money several
00:41:13
times before committing this crime. He knew that the armed guard, Keith Palomares, who was in his
00:41:23
mid-20s, had his whole life ahead of him. Jason Derek Brown knew that whoever was holding that bag walking out of that
00:41:30
movie theater, that's who he was going to kill on that Monday morning. And he knew too that this this guard would be
00:41:38
protected, would have a bulletproof vest on. And that's why he shot him in the head
00:41:44
so many times. And they say that when Brown attempted to grab the bag and flee after shooting
00:41:51
Palomares, that Palomares one was ambushed. We got to consider how chicken [ __ ] and how
00:41:58
cowardly this whole act is. You know, where some people will say, "What, you know, this guy must have have stones the
00:42:05
size of grapefruits to to pull this off in broad daylight and and attack a man who's carrying a gun.
00:42:12
Palamarez was ambushed. Derek Brown, Jason Derek Brown popped out from behind a pillar
00:42:18
near the the entrance of the movie theater, gun already drawn and already pointed at Palamarez before before he
00:42:26
even knew what was going on. Keith Palamarez did not have an opportunity to pull his weapon to defend himself.
00:42:34
When he shot mul- multiple times in the head, and then when Jason Derek Brown goes to flee the scene, Keith Palamarez
00:42:40
was doing his job, just just a man out there working that day, just a guy hoping to go home at the end of the day
00:42:46
like the rest of us, loses his life, but Jason Derek Brown had to fight Palamarez
00:42:52
to get the bag from his hand. To pry it from his hand as he was dying there, and Brown takes off. He hops on
00:43:01
this bike, and he high-tails it out of there riding his bike off to where he had a vehicle stashed, a getaway vehicle
00:43:08
stash, and he hops in that that vehicle, and because there were several witnesses
00:43:14
at the scene, they tell police, "Hey, this is what the guy looked like. This is how the crime went down. And oh, by
00:43:22
the way, he fled on a bicycle." Well, when they recovered that bicycle, they dusted it for prints, and because Jason
00:43:29
Derek Brown had a police record, his prints were on file. That's how we know that he committed this crime. One thing
00:43:35
that's weird, Captain, that is not widely discussed on on this case, but is of interest to me, is there is an
00:43:42
individual that is listed as a potential co-conspirator or a potential partner in
00:43:48
crime here for this particular crime. There was a man Jason Derek Brown was staying in a hotel
00:43:55
that was somewhat near the crime scene at the time of the crime. And there was a man that he is seen talking to on the
00:44:04
surveillance camera of that hotel. Now, that man has not been identified. He could be somebody that has nothing to do
00:44:12
with these crimes or he could have been somebody that was an accomplice to Jason
00:44:17
Derek Brown. We clearly don't know because Right. all we know is that Jason Derek Brown had an interaction, had some
00:44:23
kind of conversation with this individual, but we do not know who this individual is. It'd be interesting if
00:44:28
somebody could come forward and say, "Hey, I was that guy. I had nothing to do with these crimes. I may not even
00:44:33
know, you know, I don't even technically know Jason Derek Brown. We were just two
00:44:38
strangers exchanging pleasantries." Well, and if you were a witness to this attack, I mean, this is a horrific
00:44:45
attack. Maybe you wouldn't notice other things. Like, was this guy used as a pawn to
00:44:52
distract individuals at the movie theater? Was this individual used as a pawn to be a lookout for Jason Derek
00:45:01
Brown? Who knows? Some more highlights of this article that was put together by News
00:45:07
12, NBC News 12. The special agent Lance Leyson goes on to tell us a little bit more about the
00:45:16
crime and describe Jason, what is Jason like? And he says, he, Jason Derek Brown, thought this was going to be a
00:45:23
big payday. He thought this was going to be millions of dollars. It was not. That, of course, is why he went to these
00:45:31
extremes to commit murder. Again, he knew he was going to be killing somebody that day. That's what's That's what
00:45:37
needs to be reminded here, that it the cold-blooded nature of this crime. Uh and then asked, "What is Jason like?"
00:45:45
The special agent says, "Uh greedy is a good example. Vain might be another good
00:45:51
word to explain him. Put himself in front of everyone else. That's why he chose to end somebody's life for money.
00:45:59
I mean, it's a ridiculous thing to end somebody's life for. Well, before this point in his life, Jason seemed to just
00:46:07
be kind of a douchebag. And I know I say that a lot about these individuals, but this guy
00:46:14
was This guy was cocky. This guy was arrogant. This guy fits the definition of douchebag. Probably more to a greater
00:46:23
degree than than many other douchebags that we've discussed on the show. And he was basically a con man. Mhm. And
00:46:31
so he'd run these little cons when he could, and he would con his family, and he was
00:46:36
a known drug user, and I'm guessing that's why part of the reason uh he needed the money, but also he he
00:46:46
would rent very nice houses, and he would drive very nice cars. He drove a Escalade and a BMW.
00:46:55
So, this guy was basically looking at life, and it seems like he was a good guy to start.
00:47:03
Maybe a good person to start, and then it There was like a a switch that went off in him. He He
00:47:09
went from It went from being a religious person, somebody that was married, seemed to
00:47:18
have everything going in the right direction. He even did some missionary work. And then he goes through this divorce,
00:47:28
and it seems like he just was like, "Okay, well, this is life, and I don't want to play by other
00:47:34
people's rules. I'm going to play by my own rules from now on. And I'm going to use people, and
00:47:40
manipulate people, and to the point, like the Colonel keeps saying, to the point where he realized,
00:47:49
"I could score big, and all I have to do is murder somebody. All I have to do is
00:47:54
take somebody, wipe them off this earth." A person he knew nothing of. He He did not know this individual. He did
00:48:02
not care who the person was. It's not like he had any kind of beef with the guy. It was any one of us could have
00:48:09
been the person carrying out the bag that day at the movie theater. And this guy has decided that he is
00:48:17
going to take that person's life regardless of who it is. And again, there's not just one victim here.
00:48:24
This victim had a family. Had friends. Had co-workers. And Jason didn't care about any of that.
00:48:33
He didn't care about manipulating the system. He didn't care about manipulating his friends. He didn't care
00:48:39
about manipulating and stealing from his own family. Keith Palomares, as I said earlier, was in his early 20s. Had just
00:48:48
been married the year before that he was killed. This young man had Jason Derek Brown not taken his life that day for
00:48:56
$56,000. This man likely would have you know, went on to start a family of his own. While this
00:49:04
guy, this horrible guy has been on the run since 2004. I mean, we're talking Captain, we're
00:49:12
coming up on 18 years since this crime was committed. Keith Palomares would would very likely
00:49:21
be a very happy father at this stage in his life had he not been killed that day
00:49:26
in 2004 with with kids that are now entering high school. Well, and I think that's one of the most
00:49:31
fascinating things about this case though is if this wasn't going to be a big hit and
00:49:38
going to be millions and millions of dollars then maybe you could see that somebody
00:49:43
like Jason would have the funds to stay on the run to flee the country. But 50, what? $58,000?
00:49:55
56. Yep. $56,000 is not going to last you Right. And the crime happened on November 29th, 2004.
00:50:04
It was December 4th, 2004 in which Jason Derek Brown was officially charged with
00:50:11
first-degree murder and armed robbery. He was then later charged with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution in a federal
00:50:19
arrest warrant that was issued 2 days later on December 6th by the United States District Court for the District
00:50:26
of Arizona. So, you mentioned earlier, Captain, about where this guy could be, and there have been some sightings and
00:50:35
and some known activity, too. So, let's go through some of that known activity first. So, soon after being identified
00:50:42
as prime suspect A number one in this case, Jason Derek Brown fled the state of Arizona to Henderson, Nevada.
00:50:52
And then they Authorities know that he continued on to Las Vegas. This is where he swapped out his BMW M3 for a black
00:51:01
Cadillac Escalade that he had in storage. He then drove to Orange County, California, where he stayed with some
00:51:08
relatives until December 6th, 2004. When FBI agents carrying out an arrest warrant, they believed that they missed
00:51:18
They went to go arrest Jason Derek Brown. They believed they missed him by just 1 hour. Wow. That he got out of
00:51:25
there just 1 hour before they could show up to to get him and apprehend him on December 6th. Makes you wonder how much
00:51:33
information that his family had at that time about what Jason Brown was doing with
00:51:38
his life. would fit the definition of douchebag as well. Uh Jason Derek Brown apparently used his
00:51:45
credit card, and this is why they know some of his activity. Uses credit card at a gas station in Southern Orange
00:51:52
County, California. He traveled to San Diego near the Mexican border. Makes sense. Guy on the run, get across
00:52:02
the Mexican border. But then they tracked him to Portland, Oregon. And then after this, the FBI
00:52:08
says that Brown became a ghost and completely went off the grid. So, they lose track of him physically there
00:52:17
at that point in the timeline, but it was the next month in January, it was January 16th, 2005 that authorities
00:52:25
discovered Jason Derek Brown's abandoned Cadillac that he left in long-term parking. He left this in the parking lot
00:52:32
at the Portland International Airport. This is really interesting to me here, Captain, because a couple of things.
00:52:40
He goes to San Diego, maybe giving the appearance that he wants to cross into Mexico. Then we are able to track him,
00:52:48
the authorities track him up to Portland, Oregon, maybe giving the idea that no, maybe he wants to cross over
00:52:54
into Canada instead. Well, if I was running from the law, I my first pick would not be Mexico. I
00:53:01
could live in Vancouver. Yeah, I with just with the violence that goes on in in some of the cities in Mexico, you
00:53:09
know my luck, Captain. If I if I fled to Mexico, I'd end up dead there for some other reason.
00:53:13
Well, yeah, well, just think about But just think about this. Like you said, all this violence going on in
00:53:18
Mexico, and then you go, well, what are Canadians known for? Being nice people. I'll take my chances with the nice
00:53:28
people. And some more information here. It says that by 2005, so in in the course of less than 1 year,
00:53:36
the FBI received over 200 leads in the case. These are potential sightings of where Jason Derek Brown could be with
00:53:44
the majority of those leads being outside of the state of Arizona. Uh several of these leads came from outside
00:53:52
of the United States as well with possible sightings in Canada, like we had just mentioned as a possibility. And
00:53:59
again, due to his California surfer dude look and appearance, they think that this this could be like
00:54:08
a a double-edged sword here, right? Where in some cases may make him stand out or make him more memorable to people
00:54:16
that have seen him on the 10 most wanted fugitives list, but they also say that this could give
00:54:22
him the ability to blend into crowds and to to go unnoticed because he kind of fits the scenery. Well, I'd describe
00:54:31
Jason like I said, he kind of has that frat boy look, but because he had this strange haircut this almost like a
00:54:40
blowout like Pauly D from Jersey Shore. You shave your head, you get a new haircut.
00:54:50
This guy looks like an average white dude. And then, like you said, I think to catch a guy like this,
00:54:58
it's it's all going to depend how many characteristics of his personality, of his lifestyle that he keeps. Like I
00:55:08
said, he's known to drive nice cars or want to drive nice cars. So, a a BMW, Escalade. Well, that's pretty simple to
00:55:17
to fix. Get rid of the Escalade, get a pickup truck. You got You have a haircut style
00:55:25
that is very distinct. Change your haircut. But, there's some things like "Hey, come into my house, take off your
00:55:32
shoes." Oh, this guy kind of looks like Jason Brown. Has similar characteristics.
00:55:38
That that might be a personality trait that he doesn't change. Or like I said, Jason Brown has a
00:55:45
good physique. If he wanted to keep that up, is he working out at his house? Is he working out at a gym?
00:55:53
I would I would guess that there was a lot of sightings that were reported to the FBI.
00:55:58
You know, somebody working out and having a guy come into a gym that maybe wasn't familiar to the other
00:56:04
people that come into the gym and go, "Hey, that guy kind of looks like the guy on the
00:56:09
FBI most wanted list." Well, and you talk about the change in appearance or potential change in his
00:56:14
appearance. Just the passing of time. It's been almost 18 years since the crime was
00:56:20
committed. Just the passing of time alone will make Jason Derek Brown look different. He could
00:56:27
as you're pointing out, could look considerably different than he did 18 years ago. And you know, he does
00:56:35
speak French fluently. So, fleeing to Canada would make a lot of sense. Well, the
00:56:44
other thing too, he has a very distinct nose. So, but that is something that he could
00:56:52
obviously change. Now, looking at these age progression pictures that they that the FBI provides us,
00:57:00
I'm giving these a one bottle cap out of five. These look awful. These don't even look like real people.
00:57:09
They did this with the Brian Shaffer case. They did a age progression where I just go,
00:57:15
"This guy looks like he's in his 70s. This guy looks like he's wearing a a mask of an old man. Uh you'd think that
00:57:23
they'd be able to do a better job of these age progression images." Now, for persons on the 10 most
00:57:30
wanted fugitives list, there is a minimum reward amount of $100,000, but in Jason Derek Brown's case, the FBI was
00:57:39
offering a reward of up to $200,000 at one time while he was on the list. Again, I'm guessing that there is a
00:57:47
reward out there for him. How much that amount is currently, I can't say with any level of confidence here. But yeah,
00:57:56
you're right. I I I think that it's time to update these age enhanced photographs
00:58:01
of Jason Derek Brown. And one thing that's that's good for the case, good for the chance of apprehending him,
00:58:08
but also eerie at the same time, is the photograph of Jason with that spiked hair, with the blowout hair like you
00:58:17
described, taken in 2004. He's wearing the red hooded sweatshirt that if you watch the movie American
00:58:26
Murderer, he's wearing that sweatshirt uh at the time of uh committing the crimes.
00:58:33
And he that picture was taken literally days before this homicide. And so, this is
00:58:41
one of those really weird situations where you have a a very updated photograph that is going out of a wanted
00:58:49
individual shortly after it's determined that he was responsible for these crimes. This picture was taken on the
00:58:56
day that he purchased uh I I I should straight up tell that captain and say I I don't know if it was
00:59:02
the day that he purchased the gun, but I believe that it was the day that he purchased the gun that he
00:59:07
ended up using to commit this homicide. I think the other thing here with Jason Brown
00:59:13
is all of his validation, you know, he a greedy guy, but why? Because I want to rent a nice house, because I want to
00:59:23
drive a nice car, I want to wear a fancy watch. I want to go out on a boat. I believe he
00:59:30
owned a boat at one point. He He wants to live this flashy lifestyle. I would think that this would
00:59:36
be very difficult to keep up for 14 years. It's not like he was Ted Kaczynski living out in a
00:59:46
cabin and went missing. A guy like that, you might never find because he can just go to Alaska and
00:59:55
live off the you know, live off the land and be a recluse and they're they're fine with that. They can they thrive
01:00:04
thrive in that condition. I don't think somebody like Jason Brown can thrive in that situation. Their validation comes
01:00:14
from outside sources. Thank you so much for joining us here in the Flying Garage Ship. Yeah, we might
01:00:34
not be on America's Most Wanted list, but we are top 10 in your hearts of true crime.
01:00:41
So much more to get to. Join us back here in the Flying Garage Ship tomorrow and until then,
01:00:47
be good, be kind, and don't litter. Hey.