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[Music] thank you [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] but the arrest of Richard M Allen of
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Delphi on two counts of murder is sure a major step in leading to the conclusion
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of this long-term and complex investigation first I'd like to speak directly to Anna
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Mike Becky Kelsey your extended families along with the entire Delphi Community that certainly has grown
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and now includes our nation and even many countries around the world I am proud to report to you
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that today actually last Friday was a day and an arrest has been made [Music] five weeks ago today we sat down and
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delivered an on-the-fly update on the Delphi murder case and that was when Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug
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Carter Carroll County Sheriff Joe blessenby who is now the outgoing sheriff and Carroll County prosecutor
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Nicholas mcleland had a scheduled press conference this was on Monday October 31st better known as Halloween
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and we did I wouldn't say an emergency podcast here Captain because we knew that we likely would be doing it but it
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was rather different than our normal setup as normally we are coming to you from our garage Studio but on that day
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on that Halloween we were coming to you from two very different locations I was in a hotel room in Cleveland Ohio and
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you were out of the country so we were watching and waiting for that press conference as it was announced earlier
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the previous week they went for it with the press conference and then we delivered on what it was that they had
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released at that time and the information that was stated during that press conference and then our questions
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and feelings on that information and of course that press conference was all built around what happened the Friday
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before which that was the arrest of Richard M Allen a Delphi resident charged with murder order in this case
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and he was arrested officially arrested on Friday October 28 2022 and one of the major things that
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was presented in that press conference was that they sealed the probable cause affidavit yes and then we were told that
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there would be a court hearing in November which was scheduled for November 22nd that would be an
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opportunity for anybody that had an opinion be it the people that will be eventually in court here on these
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charges to State their case for why this affidavit should either be released to the public or be withheld or portions of
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it redacted and then released and of course they had that court hearing and what we learned that day was that the
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judge was going to take some time to decide on how to proceed and then of course they did release
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this probable cause affidavit but released a redacted version of that just last week and we were able to get some
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more information about the case and about the investigation from that PCA yeah kudos to the judge for not making
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any rash decision you know what's the big deal take a couple days and make the correct decision for what you think is
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the correct decision for this case and this case has been completely crazy because from Jump Street this this case
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became its own you know we have a monster that's responsible for the the murder of two
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innocent little girls but this case became a monster in its own online with all the speculation and
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people piling on throughout the years and it's it's not stopped it's not stopped with the arrest that took place
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in late October and it's not stopped with the information that is coming out so one thing that was interesting to me
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Captain was there was a lot of speculation about the ceiling of this document in the first place and I saw a
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lot of people coming out of the woodwork on Twitter on the internet on Reddit and such and criticizing the
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investigators and and using this sealed document to back up their criticism of those investigators and I want to be
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clear here I don't do a lot of pushing back on social media but I had to jump in when I saw this because I felt like
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that it was taken out of turn a little bit because really truly what we have here is the prosecutor is the one that
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sealed this document that requested that it be sealed and remain sealed right and
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the police or law enforcement the Indiana State Police in fact Doug Carter stating on the record before they
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release this document that he was fine and comfortable with the document being released saying that he believed that
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the probable cause affidavit spoke for itself now the criticism being that well law
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enforcement has really botched this investigation and they wanted it sealed because once it's released it will be
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clear to everybody how they kind of bungled the whole investigation well again it was the prosecutor that was
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asking that this document remained to be sealed not law enforcement it was the defense and the media that was
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requesting that it be released to the public the prosecutor was simply saying in this hearing
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two reasons for keeping this document sealed would be one and this is this is what kind of shook
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me when the prosecutor stated that there is reason to believe that there are other
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actors involved I think that was probably the most shocking thing to come out of this
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hearing the other reason being that there are witnesses that are named in this PCA
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I agree with the prosecutor their safety should be a concern and keeping these Witnesses safe is a really good thing
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not just in this case it's a good thing for everyone for all of society in all cases past present and future agreed and
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if prosecution truly believes that there wasn't another act or or actors involved
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in this case then obviously you would want to protect these eyewitnesses because now this would be evidence to
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them to murderers that these people saw something and these are people that maybe you would want to go after so
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obviously we should be protecting the rights and the identity of these eyewitnesses I feel a little weird about
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the wording that was used the chosen words that were delivered that says there is reason to believe that there
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are other actors involved I think we should explore that just a little bit before we move on to the affidavit
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itself of what could that mean obviously it could mean that there could be some type of person that assisted in some
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form or fashion the murders or assisted to try to cover them up I think that this is a very blanketed statement and
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at least I'm hoping that that's the situation because while reviewing everything that's come out and again
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this is so weird that we we don't know we still there's a lot of things we still do not know in this case
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but reviewing what has been released it sounds more to me that I would put the probability high on on the fact that
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maybe he Richard Allen if he is in fact guilty and again he's innocent until proven guilty in the court of law
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but if he is in fact guilty of this double homicide maybe he told someone or somebody covered for him in some way in
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previous statements to police I I feel like this could be people shouldn't run too wild with this statement because I
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think it could be a very blanketed statement and it could be that somebody has some type of involvement on a much
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smaller scale yeah or is there's some reason that maybe Richard would have known that the girls were out there on
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the trail that day right because while we have this arrest going on everything that was focused on in this case with
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the clines their names have not been mentioned since Richard Allen came into the fold
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but simply put the probable cause affidavit is basically a statement that they're going to be giving to a judge to
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make so they can make an arrest in the case right and that's the thing when when this document is released to the
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public we need to keep in mind that this is not a document that is saying here are all the reasons why Richard Allen is
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guilty that's not what they're saying they're giving just enough information here is some information that we find to
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be credible and we believe that this credible information is pointing a finger at Richard Allen judge would you
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sign off on this and please let us go and arrest him and we will continue to build the case after that but we need to
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get him off the streets because if he is the person that committed these murders
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then he's a very very dangerous man yeah because I think the first at first sight of this PCA
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it seems like the evidence against Richard Allen is pretty weak but then once you learn that they don't
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have to put all the evidence in the PCA and they just really need to put enough to make sure that they can make their
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arrest then you go well really this PCA doesn't matter all that much because there could
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be a mountain of evidence against them and now we have to rewind to because there's been a debate and
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there's going to continue to be a debate whether or not there's DNA in this case
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I know that Becky the grandmother of one of the victims has come forward and says law
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enforcement did make the statement that there was DNA in this case well you arrest Richard Allen on murder charges
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those are felonies therefore you can get his DNA so if they do have DNA in this case then they can test Richards Allen's
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DNA because now he's charged with a felony yes that is I I want to kind of limp in
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on that because I don't know the exact laws uh in Indiana and they do vary by state one thing that I always found
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interesting in this case was that at the time of the murders that law had not been passed where we will collect your
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DNA I I don't know if it's just if you've been arrested for a felony or if it's been convicted of a felony I
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believe that it is arrested of a felony charge in Indiana but again I don't have that information right in
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front of me at the moment well the defense attorney that I talked to stated that they would have collected his DNA
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because he was charged with a felony so I'm going to go with her expert opinion is that in Indiana attorney yeah
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okay so the interesting thing here is this law was passed after Libby and Abby were killed and I believe that this the
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law being passed is directly related to the crime in the investigation of the Delphi murders case I've always kind of
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felt that way and as far as DNA goes it's interesting that you bring that up because DNA is not mentioned in this
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probable cause affidavit which there's a couple of things that are that are very interesting to me in this
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affidavit obviously let's go through some of the highlights quickly and I'll give like a very quick summary of the
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document itself because the document for those that have not seen it it's eight pages long and it's about seven pages of
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information as to why a judge should sign off on the arrest of Richard M Allen now those highlights are the first
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page is really just a very good detailed description of where the crime took place and the surrounding area so it's
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describing the roads and the trails and the bridge and it's really laying out everything as it were on that day and
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then it's giving the timing of some different sightings and witness statements throughout that the course of
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that February 14 2017. the highlights would be that there was a bullet found at the crime scene a live
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round AN unspent round with extraction markings on it and that bullet they later determined
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belong to or came from a gun that is owned by Richard Allen and we also learned that the video that
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was taken by Libby that day on the bridge very quickly after Bridge guy makes his
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way across the bridge and approaches the girls we now know that one of the girls said
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gun to the other so they spotted the gun in Bridge guy's possession as he was getting closer to them and that's
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something that we had speculated on in the past that there must have been some way we know that bridge guy was
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directing the girls to where he wanted to take them right and now we know that a gun was used to
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Corral them and control them and control the situation what is not mentioned in the
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PCA is the manner of death how the girls were killed so some people have speculated well we now know that a gun
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was used in the crime so maybe they were shot and there's again we still don't know
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that information based off of what's come out I think you could argue it either way
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personally my feelings have always been that they probably weren't shot because of all the rumors that ever came out in
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this case and there was a lot of them but at no point do we ever have anybody saying that they were at the trails that
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day which we know a bunch of people were and nobody ever saying that they heard a
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gunshot or gunshots that day well just to rewind a little bit when law enforcement for the last five to six
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years have said look we we can't release we can't talk about certain pieces of evidence and one of those pieces now we
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know that the girls State gun well now that you know that there is a gun involved somehow in some way in this
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crime that becomes important and then this bullet shell this unspent bullet that's found between
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the girls at the murder scene becomes a pretty big piece of evidence and obviously something that they didn't
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feel that they could share with the public because it could hinder the investigation yeah and that's always
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been one bit of criticism amongst others that law enforcement have had to deal with in this case many people
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saying well how much more of a video how much more of audio do they have why won't they release that and people
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speculated maybe it was because the the girls were killed during the course of the
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video or the audio what we've always been told and what we've always said here in the garage is
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the information that we were getting was always that there was nothing on any of the additional audio or video that's
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not been released to the public that would help to identify the Killer maybe the word gun may have helped to identify
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the killer but again I think that was much better to hold that withhold that information from the public then we have
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the the bullet the the unspent bullet that is found at the crime scene where the girls were
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killed and where their bodies were discovered it just reminds me of some of the statements that law enforcement has
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stated throughout the course of this investigation and all of them are ringing true now you know one statement
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that toe blessenby said and this is when his office was coming under criticism for the investigation dragging on for so
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long you know you got video you got the guy on video you got his voice on video and on audio and yet there's no arrest
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what's the problem and amongst other questions that he was Fielding one of the answers he gave to a question that
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was asked of him on in one particular interview was that our investigators will will know it when we find it that
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there was we will know we have the right guy when we find him and that statement
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sounds kind of vague and dumb but really that statement always meant to me that there would be something that would be
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able to tell them yes you got the right guy once you find the guy yes you got the right guy that would it would
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confirm that for the investigators and now I believe that all along he may have been talking about
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this bullet evidence well it's very possible and so we got the girls on video stating that there's a gun so we
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know there's a gun then we see this like we said unspent bullet at the crime scene so what they're able
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to do is they're going to search Richard Allen's property he has multiple guns but one of his guns is a 40 caliber gun
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and that matches this bullet now how do they match this bullet now early on when
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they would do this ballistic test on guns it was the hammer hitting the head of the bullet and that
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was the major signature but what they also realize is if you shoot the gun that the barrel has signature marks as
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well well when you don't shoot the gun called rifling right if you don't shoot the gun and you
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just extract the bullet shoot the bullet yeah then there's a marking as well so now if you have a situation that a
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bullet is fired you have the marking on the the head you have the barrel markings and you have the extraction
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markings the problem here for law enforcement is going to be that they only have extraction markings and this
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science uh and I think the defense attorneys stated it pretty well this is not this is not an exact science that this
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these signatures it's really based on who is testing the information so it's not exact fingerprint science where it's
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like oh well we have his fingerprint on the bullet no we have markings from the gun onto
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the bullet that are very similar once they go to court prosecution is going to have their experts to argue their points
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stating why it does match and then the defense will find experts that say it doesn't match so
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it's very it's a little bit of a confusing situation especially for those that are
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not very familiar with guns but as I understand it this is how I am captain I'm one of these guys that I I own
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firearms I do not know much about guns in general I know not very much about the uh I
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don't know a whole lot about the guns that I own so I'm not a gun expert just because I own them but it's a lot like
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other things that I own inside my home I I have TVs I'm not a TV expert we all know that I went to school for computer
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so well you have a great guitar collection and I have a great guitar collection and I can I can probably
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fumble my way through about three songs and I've owned these guitars for way too
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long to not know more songs than that so but the the very general thought here is
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that if you if you rack the gun that it will extract the bullet and then it leaves marks
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before to to push the bullet out of the gun what probably happened in this scenario is that he either racked the
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gun or in the during the commission of some kind of fight or scuffle the gun got racked and
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the the bullet was extracted there's a chance that he may not have known that that
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bullet came out of his gun that day it wouldn't be that hard to find the bullet so this is a mistake but in cases like
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this you need to have the murderer make mistakes so this was a mistake now I don't want to go down a crazy conspiracy
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Rabbit Hole Theory but there's been a lot of talk early on in the investigation that maybe they're not
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releasing certain audio clips because maybe this person posed as law enforcement
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and I keep seeing that being brought up online one of the reasons that's being brought back up online is because of 40
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caliber is probably the most popular caliber that's carried by law enforcement now I ask multiple gun
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experts as I am not one of them how common is a 40 caliber gun and they'd say well it's probably
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one of the most popular handhelds but if you look at popularity of bullets it's not even in the top five you
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normally have a 35 a nine millimeter uh 22 a 12 gauge shotgun so it's not of the
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most popular ammos out there types of ammos out there but it is one of the most popular
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handhelds but where conspiracy theorists will go wild on this is that the 40 caliber is probably the most popular
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when it comes to law enforcement that may be I'm going to have to disagree there I actually think that a 40 caliber
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handgun would be an uncommon police used weapon but uh it but again all that stuff varies from
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jurisdiction to jurisdiction from agency to agency they all have their own protocols they all have their own
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standards that they've created throughout the years my general understanding of law enforcement and the
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uh the guns that they typically carry the nine millimeter is a very common service revolver sorry service weapon
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and you might see a 40 45 with being carried by detectives a 40 caliber gun so 40 caliber handgun
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I while I wouldn't say that it's uncommon I would also 100 agree with you about the bullet
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because the bullet is a little a 40 caliber bullet is a little more Uncommon just for the fact that they are more
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expensive ammunition and so people tend to buy guns that that have cheaper um ammunition and and the 40 caliber is
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more expensive well I should have stated that because I'm not an expert on this I
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I did want to reach out to people so I was able to talk to Two Gun experts that also uh train and do training with law
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enforcement as well and both of them said that the 40 caliber is one one of the most popular but as far as law
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enforcement goes but not as popular in the normal Publix view the other highlight here is that the probable
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cause affidavit discusses a vehicle and this again remember we go back in time and we remember Doug Carter telling the
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public hey we are looking for the owner of a vehicle that was parked at the old CPS building this vehicle is mentioned
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during the affidavit and they're also linking Richard Allen to this vehicle that they are discussing in the
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affidavit as being parked his vehicle being parked at the CPS building a couple of things though here that I'm
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seeing online and it's kind of regurgitated time and time again that I want to address that they go oh my God
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this guy he says he was at the the trails that day and he looks exactly like Bridge guy he's wearing the same
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clothing as Bridge guy I get it but I also want to point out that we've said that
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not you and I in particular but we the public as a whole have said that seven or eight times about other individuals
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leading up to this arrest well one of the things that we stated and it's not like that were some uh Geniuses by any
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means but what we've seen by covering hundreds and hundreds of cases that a lot of times when there is an eyewitness
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that even comes forward and we know Richard Allen came forward to law enforcement and says look I was there I
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was there between these times this is a detailed um description of what I was wearing
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now to me if I'm law enforcement and I see okay here's a guy that matches somewhat the build
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he's telling us he was there he describes Bridge guy's clothing to a T I'm going to be interviewing that guy
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early and often but the problem here and what we stated a long time ago and we've covered this
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case multiple episodes so it couldn't tell you what number of episode it was that we stated this
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but we've stated time and time again in murder cases you have to look at the eyewitnesses because
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we've seen it over and over where the eyewitness gets involved lets law enforcement know that they were there
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just in case somebody saw them and now they become an eyewitness and not a person of interest
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the problem and I will state it again like we stated before the problem I think with this case was early on we had
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a large number of agencies involved multiple agencies with multiple agents doing these interviews and I think that
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hindered the case maybe not so much for the search of the girls but it hindered the case and interviewing Witnesses well
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and that in itself I mean we know of at least four agencies that were directly involved since day one and we know that
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officers and agents throughout the state of Indiana were involved since early on
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in this case and you're absolutely right Captain you you do have to employ all of
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the resources that you have and in some cases your resources are that you have an army of people and so you yes you do
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need to use them especially with the case of this magnitude and a case that has this many
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tips coming in and possible Witnesses people Possible having been to the trails that day the day before the day
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after people 300 people involved in the search for these girls so you have a lot
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of people to question an interview you have a lot going on but yes you can you're exactly right and spot on in your
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thoughts it can cause a a bit of Chaos in your investigation and it can cause easily cause disorganization
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in your investigation one instead of throwing Doug Carter and the ISP and everybody under the bus what we have to
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remember and what they've said multiple times which was so confusing at the time
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to me but it's so clear now as he said that once we have this individual and once we're able to look at this
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individual in the face we're going to have to start the investigation all over again and I think he was making those
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statements because they knew probably after the first year we had too many cooks in the kitchen and we need to
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our help and we are anxious for the public to read this we're anxious for this thing
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to get going and um we'll see and when you guys read the PCA presuming that the judge grants our
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motion you know you will have to question is this what happens after five years of an investigation is this what
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it is we don't have any other evidence we don't have any Discovery that's all we have and we are not impressed the two
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people being involved the the conjecture from the prosecutor today was new information for us I've been on this
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case folks for five what six days so I don't know a whole lot we have not seen the evidence and I
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you know another person involved I mean that's that's new news so that's not reflected
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in the PCM not the PCA that I read somebody might read something a line about you know you're going to see maybe
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about a vehicle or about a person or about a time frame and it might ring a bell something that they hadn't thought
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of before and when they read that then you know they can contact us as lawyers we're getting lots of information from
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lots of people across the country especially locally we don't know what his hoaxes we don't know what's true we
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don't know if it's a podcaster's you know opportunity to get in the Limelight we don't know what's real but we're
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gonna we're going to look at every single uh person that contacts us we're going to contact them everybody and
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we're going to figure out if what they know is helpful what if anything has your client Richard Allen said this has
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impacted him and or his family obviously this has impacted Richard and his family
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tremendously I mean his his wife is just a wonderful person and she loves her husband they've been married for over 30
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years they were basically High School sweethearts they love each other and she fully supports him but it is devastating
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she's scared she doesn't want to leave her house she did leave her house she thankfully is in a little bit better
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place than she was a month ago but it's this is all new to them can you say anything about why investigators are
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focused on your client you guys will read the probable cause affidavit and you may wonder why they
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are focused on our client we have we have to get the fundamental question and that
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did your clients the one guy our client's the wrong guy [Music] all right we are back
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cheers to everybody cheers see you Captain cheers to all the good people out there joining us again one more time
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on this case and look expert at what I don't know I'm a garage expert I'll give you that and I think to have that yeah
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the captain is a garage expert as well I'll vouch for him on that front but the what is not in the affidavit is
00:35:51
interesting just as much as what is in the affidavit so you're exactly right there's not
00:35:57
anything with DNA in here we got to keep in mind too this is simply to get Richard M Allen in handcuffs arrest him
00:36:05
detain him hold him until there can be an actual trial so whatever's not in here does not mean that that's not part
00:36:13
of the investigation it's just what they this is the information that they chose
00:36:19
to include to give to the judge to sign off on that arrest now I was able to speak with a retired detective about
00:36:28
this case and one of the things he said and he kept reminding me over and over there can be a mountain of evidence that
00:36:36
they don't have to put in the PCA now what he stated was well you have a Smoking Gun here because you have a
00:36:44
bullet that came from his gun they did test they believe it came from Richard Allen's Gun at the crime scene between
00:36:52
the two victims and that should be enough because and and not just because it was there but when they asked him
00:37:00
about it there was no reasonable explanation his explanation was simply I don't know how that got there so that
00:37:10
would be enough for them to keep him to trial and like you said that is the point of the PCA and I could be
00:37:17
absolutely wrong on all of this information right here and I want to point out why it would not be in this
00:37:24
document even if it were to be true so DNA they could have it uh maybe they have it today but didn't have it when
00:37:32
they were requesting the arrest as the captain pointed out that's a possibility we also don't know what tests have been
00:37:39
conducted since the arrest of this man now we know that there was a search of his property in his home leading up to
00:37:49
his arrest and we'll get into that that's in the PCA so we don't know if they've come into DNA evidence since
00:37:57
then the other thing with how the victims were killed I've I don't believe that they were shot
00:38:06
we do know that a gun was used in the course of these crimes that were committed that day and the homicides but
00:38:14
the thing is I feel like if you have a bullet that is found near your murder victim
00:38:23
and you're using that to sign off on his arrest what they're not saying in the PCA is
00:38:30
that we recovered a bullet from one of the victims or both victims that matches a bullet that would have come from
00:38:36
Alan's gun right and we've looked at this case for since the beginning and never once have we heard anything of
00:38:46
eyewitness being an ear witness saying that they heard gunshots and then there's been some question too about the
00:38:53
the search of Richard Allen's home how did that come about there's some debate out there did he consent
00:39:02
was a search requested and he consented to the search or did they actually get a
00:39:07
search warrant I'm of the belief that they got a search warrant and we'll get into that here in
00:39:13
a minute but if if that is the case then that means there's another document out
00:39:18
there that likely has a good deal of information in it that nobody has seen yet well and that's the reason why I'm
00:39:26
going to say that he possibly consented to this because that information I believe prosecution
00:39:34
would have to ask for that information be sealed as well and since there is no report on that on the news I'm just
00:39:42
guessing that he consented I mean it states also that his wife is saying hey those those clothes that he wore the day
00:39:50
of the murders we have them we own them we we never threw them away so they have
00:39:55
those to test as well and so not only there's no DNA evidence reported in the PCA but hair samples clothe fibers
00:40:05
there's so many other things fingerprints that they could have but they don't have to stay in the PC yeah
00:40:13
so let's get into the PCA rather than just citing some of the highlights I want to give some direct information
00:40:19
from that document so I'm going to jump ahead to page two and on page two the this information is interesting it says
00:40:28
the video recovered from victim two's phone so they're referring to our victims as victim one and two throughout
00:40:35
this document not by name and it says the video recovered from victim two's phone shows victim one walking Southeast
00:40:42
on the monin High Bridge while a male subject wearing a dark jacket and jeans Walks Behind her as the male subject
00:40:50
approaches victim 1 and 2 one of the victims mentions gun we had talked about that earlier near the end of the video a
00:40:57
male is seen and heard telling the girls guys down the hill the girls then begin
00:41:03
to proceed down the hill and the video ends a still photograph taken from the video and the guys down the hill audio
00:41:11
was released to the public to assist investigators in identifying the mail what's interesting here to me Captain is
00:41:20
we keep having people online saying he looks exactly like Bridge guy looks exactly like the sketch and again ice
00:41:28
with the reminder that we've said that about seven or eight other individuals one thing that's really interesting to
00:41:35
me is that I don't when do we hear this guy's voice because the the audio guys down the hill was such a big part of the
00:41:44
public plea for information from law enforcement in this case and I'm I'm not seeing anybody
00:41:52
or reviewing anything where people were are doing voice comparisons between Richard Allen and the recorded audio the
00:41:58
lawyer that I was able to talk to was stating that as well as this could be something that they could bring in an
00:42:05
expert to say look it matches again this is not an exact science but to have expert come in and say we believe that
00:42:12
Richard Allen's voice is the voice that you hear on the recording I also think too we have video evidence which you can
00:42:21
then turn into still frames I would assume with pretty low level technology you can do some measurements of the
00:42:30
bridge measurements of the planks and get a better idea of how tall this individual is because Richard Allen is
00:42:38
very short and I think if they did that those tests and they were able to determine that bridge guy was over six
00:42:47
foot tall which I don't think he was but let's just say that they could determine
00:42:52
that then obviously that would rule out Richard Allen so that's something also that they could be doing this is what
00:42:59
the lawyer told me this is another a little bit of technology that they could be doing to strengthen their case
00:43:08
but again they don't have to put that in the PCA yes and at one time they did give us a
00:43:14
vague opinion on the height of bridge guy and while Richard Allen is on the shorter side he does fit in the range
00:43:25
that they were suggesting to the public as what they believe the height could be
00:43:30
of of the individual seen on the bridge that day the document on page two goes on to say the victim one and victim
00:43:37
two's deaths were ruled a homicide clothes were found in Deer Creek belonging to the victims south of where
00:43:45
their bodies were located there was also a 40 caliber unspent round less than two
00:43:49
feet away from victim two's body found between victim 1 and victim two's bodies the round was unspent and had
00:43:58
extraction marks on it I'll jump ahead here to page three captain and it says blank advised when
00:44:05
she was leaving she noted a vehicle was parked in an odd manner at the old child
00:44:10
protective services building she said it was not odd for vehicles to be parked there but she noticed it was odd because
00:44:18
of the manner it was parked backed in near the building so a lot of people were stating that this would be a one
00:44:26
way for an individual to get close to the trails to the bridge that day not conceal their vehicle so that no one
00:44:33
would see it but back it in so that you could at least conceal your license plate from any passerbys yeah and what's
00:44:40
also not in the PCA is there could be other eyewitnesses that saw an individual get into a vehicle they might
00:44:50
have the vehicle of the suspect down to one make and model and so even though you have Richard Allen that says I was
00:45:00
there that day we don't know if he lied to law enforcement about which vehicle of his
00:45:06
he drove because they owned several vehicles so that would be pretty damning evidence
00:45:11
but again not in the PCA yeah and so in regards to the vehicle what we have here
00:45:16
is we have three different eyewitnesses that give varying descriptions of what vehicle they believed that they saw
00:45:25
there that day now none of them are saying this is the make and model and year and color of the vehicle that I saw
00:45:30
there they're they're giving a quick description right can you tell me a vehicle that you thought that it looked
00:45:37
like and some people could just get the name wrong on on these here but as the captain points out Richard Allen did own
00:45:45
him and his wife owned more than one vehicle and that reminds me to Circle back to something we discussed just a
00:45:52
minute ago the search warrant or the consent to search his home the other thing it does not have to be Richard
00:45:58
Allen that gave consent to search his home it could have been his wife right it could have been his wife that gave
00:46:03
consent but we'll Circle back to that here in a minute again so the vehicles were described as a PT
00:46:11
Cruiser another witness described it as a smart car and I think that the third I'm looking
00:46:19
for here I don't I can't find it right in front of me but I think that the third witness may have described a small
00:46:24
SUV does that sound correct regardless let's skip the third one but a PT Cruiser and a smart car are the
00:46:32
descriptions that I have right in front of me in my notes Here It states here in
00:46:37
the document that investigators discovered Richard Allen owned two vehicles in 2017. at that time he owned
00:46:45
a 2016 black Ford Focus and a 2006 gray Ford 500. investigators observed a vehicle that resembled Allen's 2016 Ford
00:46:57
Focus on the Hoosier harv store I can't be pronouncing that right but uh they have surveillance video from a store and
00:47:08
they have a vehicle that they believe resembles Richard Allen's 2016 Ford Focus scene traveling westbound on CR
00:47:18
300 North or County Road 300 North at 1 27 p.m on the day that the girls were killed
00:47:27
so what's interesting to me here is I would not in all of my life describe a Ford Focus
00:47:36
or a Ford 500 as a PT Cruiser to me a PT Cruiser is a rather distinct looking vehicle but you know we all have our
00:47:44
opinions on these things I would I could see someone describing a Ford Focus as a smart car you know when smart
00:47:53
cars first came out a lot of them were were on the smaller side and a Ford Focus is certainly a smaller more
00:47:58
compact vehicle then the document goes on to State a bunch of the different eyewitnesses of having seen people going
00:48:06
coming and going from the area around the time of the murders we have as the captain points out Richard Allen who's
00:48:12
saying yes I was there that day in fact he says that he believes that he was there on the trails from about 1 30 to 3
00:48:19
30 that day I don't know that we need to get into the rumors of how he got picked
00:48:24
up what do you think Captain because there were about three or four different rumors coming out on how they went from
00:48:32
this guy is a potential eyewitness he was just somebody that happened to be there on the trail that day to okay this
00:48:38
is now our murder suspect well it could be as simply as them going back and reorganizing the information that they
00:48:44
had from 2017. there's been all these statements made that the FBI made a clerical error and
00:48:52
that's why they never reinvestigated Richard but I think it like we said I I think it
00:48:59
goes back to a lot of too many cooks in the kitchen well and the thing here you know the the first rumor was that his
00:49:08
arrest was directly related to the dive search that keg and Klein may have provided
00:49:16
information to law enforcement and then they had the dive search and whatever was found or
00:49:21
information learned during the course of that search is what put them hot on the
00:49:26
trail of Richard Allen that was a rumor the other rumor was that he had some kind of conflict altercation with a
00:49:32
neighbor that led to an arrest in him being forced to submit DNA and that DNA came back with a hit in the murders
00:49:41
I'm I lean to what you just said Captain it looks to me like there's a very good
00:49:47
chance that this is just putting fresh eyes new eyes maybe even better eyes if you will on the information that was
00:49:54
collected back in 2017 and reviewing that information and then somebody putting a red flag on this and going
00:50:02
wait a second there could be something here and let's not forget it's spelled out in this PCA a little bit right we
00:50:11
have this guy who says I was there yes I was there and what's completely bizarre to me is in
00:50:17
his statements he's saying Not only was I there but I also dressed like Bridge guy and we've we've made the argument a
00:50:23
hundred times on this show that in Indiana even here in Ohio there's a lot of men in in their 30s and 40s that wear
00:50:31
clothing very similar to this this is not uncommon very distinctive clothing this is very common clothing but we have
00:50:39
Richard Allen saying yes I was there for 1 30 to 3 30 and two let's double down on the idea that I was wearing clothing
00:50:46
that day that looked like Bridge guy I might have even some of your witness statements of having seen potential
00:50:53
Bridge guy might have been people just seeing me but what is what stands out and why I think that it's simply
00:51:00
somebody going back with new fresh better eyes and an inquisitive mind leading them to Richard Allen
00:51:10
is that if all these eyewitness statements are true and it was Richard Allen that they
00:51:17
spotted there that day at 1 30ish up to two o'clock and then again around 3 30ish when he says that he's he
00:51:27
believes that he left the day for the day somebody's going okay well he says he was there great maybe he's an honest
00:51:36
dude he was there and he has nothing to hide and he's just trying to help us great okay we got eyewitnesses that if
00:51:42
if the person they saw was Richard Allen then they're backing up his statements he likely arrived around 1 30 and likely
00:51:49
left around 3 30 but it's the inquisitive mine that goes okay well why are there no eyewitnesses of Richard
00:51:56
Allen during the middle of that time after 2 13 pm and that's when somebody says oh well
00:52:06
that's because he may have been in the woods with the girls killing them at the time that nobody's
00:52:13
seen him I'm normally not the smartest guy in the room heck I'm not even the second smartest guy in this room
00:52:18
but if I'm law enforcement every eyewitness is a person of interest until I can prove otherwise and maybe that
00:52:27
would be the reason that they went back and was looking into eyewitnesses and looking at them through the lens of
00:52:35
being a person of interest that led to him but but I but I also think that something had to happen
00:52:43
because this moved very quickly and I also don't think hold hold that thought I do think
00:52:52
there's more evidence I don't know if they have a mountain of evidence against him yet but that doesn't mean that they
00:52:59
won't by the time the trial is set and the document goes on to state a narrative that was created by Richard
00:53:09
M Allen in 2017. this is from when he was interviewed in 2017 and some of the highlights of that narrative we've
00:53:19
already covered but I'm going to hit on a few things before we move past this he's saying that he he parked his
00:53:26
vehicle near some he says the Farm Bureau building and now police are saying well
00:53:34
we think that either he doesn't know the names of the buildings or he purposely gave us an incorrect
00:53:42
title uh for the building to throw us off the trail now they're saying you know he he very likely was the person
00:53:49
that parked at the old at the old uh CPS building and that he you know is describing the building as a
00:53:58
Farm Bureau building well think about this let's say we have a list we're law enforcement we have a list of
00:54:04
eyewitnesses now we start getting surveillance from different businesses in the area and maybe that
00:54:12
maybe it's as simple as he says I was driving this vehicle when we know he was driving this other vehicle maybe it's he
00:54:18
says that I parked at this building and now we know for a fact that he parked at
00:54:23
this other building once law enforcement sees that eyewitness lied you have to make them a person of
00:54:31
interest and that could be as simple as it is go back through his statements and now with
00:54:38
this evidence we can prove that this one statement is a lie and that could be enough to go okay
00:54:44
my sniffer test is going off here we need to re-examine Richard Allen yes and I believe I may have said February
00:54:53
14th earlier I probably should have said February 13th instead but going on here
00:54:59
some more information blank advised that the male subject was wearing a blue-colored jacket and blue jeans and
00:55:06
was muddy and bloody she further stated that it appeared that he had gotten into
00:55:10
a fight okay so this is one of the witnesses that likely saw Bridge guy leaving the area that day and we have a
00:55:20
couple of different eyewitnesses that may have seen Bridge guy leaving the area that day they all give a little bit
00:55:25
of a varying description of who or what they saw but this one's really interesting because this one States a
00:55:33
blue-colored jacket blue jeans the person I saw was muddy and bloody yeah and had appeared to have gotten into a
00:55:42
fight so then we fast forward in the document to October 13 2022 Richard Allen was interviewed viewed Again by
00:55:50
investigators and it also states that Richard Allen's wife Kathy Allen also spoke to investigators and she confirmed
00:55:58
during that discussion that Richard did have guns and knives at the residence and she also stated that Richard still
00:56:05
owns a blue Carhartt jacket so now when you file and this is why I believe that there was probably a search warrant and
00:56:13
I would be interested to review that document if it ever comes out to the public because the very next line in the
00:56:20
PCA States on October 13 2022 investigators executed a search warrant of Richard Allen's residence and then it
00:56:30
gives his address among other items officers located jackets boots knives and Firearms including the Sig Sawyer
00:56:37
model P226 40 caliber pistol that is believed to have extracted the live round that was found between the
00:56:47
two victims bodies so what we have here Captain is if there was in fact a search warrant as this PCA
00:56:56
indicates that there was now we have a situation where you have law enforcement going before a judge and they're not
00:57:04
asking for an arrest of Richard Allen at that time that arrest would follow but what they're asking for is we need to
00:57:12
search this guy's property and here's what we're looking for and you you know that that document probably States we're
00:57:20
looking for this blue jacket who his wife says still exist and we're looking for the gun that
00:57:28
extracted that bullet that we found between the victims here we are they likely found both of those items at his
00:57:35
home we know that they found the gun because the gun with the ballistics test the tool markings test
00:57:42
is what I believe 100 percent sealed the arrest of Richard Allen I agree I don't
00:57:48
think we'll have enough time today to dive into this but Richard Allen's attorneys did make statements on the PCA
00:57:57
and one of the things that they were trying to say to point to his innocence is well he he hasn't changed his job he
00:58:04
hasn't changed his where he lives he he didn't even get rid of these weapons he didn't he didn't throw away these
00:58:12
clothes that that's not an argument on whether somebody's innocent or guilty that's just a fact that he just didn't
00:58:20
do those things and there's plenty of killers that don't throw away the clothes they were wearing when they
00:58:27
committed a murder or throw away the weapon that he used when they committed a murder so to me that was such a
00:58:33
nothing Burger where it's like okay well congratulations that's not an argument right exactly the the statement that he
00:58:42
didn't get rid of any of these things does not does not exclude him from being the
00:58:47
killer right criminals as you pointed out make mistakes criminals do dumb things and thank I'm
00:58:55
thankful that they do dumb things and this may just be a big example of Richard Allen being a
00:59:04
dumbass and he didn't get rid of very incriminating evidence for whatever reason could be that that guns guns are
00:59:12
expensive maybe he's like they're not they're never going to catch me they I've spoke to police five years ago they
00:59:19
don't know their you know they're asked from a hole in the ground uh they don't know what's going on I have no reason to
00:59:27
worry about losing these items or wanting to get rid of these items because they're expensive and I don't
00:59:33
want to have to replace them or you know we talk about killers keeping souvenirs it's not very hard to
00:59:43
believe that maybe his murder weapon or a weapon that was used during the commission of these crimes is some type
00:59:49
of souvenir prided souvenir of his well on top of that why would you get rid of a gun if you didn't know
00:59:58
a bullock came out of that gun at the crime scene and because law enforcement Never
01:00:04
released that just think if law enforcement would have released that early on well we found a bullet that
01:00:10
wasn't shot at the crime scene then if Richard Allen is the killer then he would obviously obviously want to go
01:00:18
well I need to get rid of that gun now yeah so that's that's interesting and I'm glad that you explored it in that
01:00:24
manner because there's a couple things here one the portion of the video where the one of
01:00:31
the girls says gun is never released to the public he very likely did not know when the recording started he was not it
01:00:40
doesn't the way that it's described as makes it sound like he's not directly in front of the girls when one of them says
01:00:45
gun maybe he never heard one of them say that he doesn't know when the recording
01:00:49
started he may not know if if the gun was racked and that bullet comes out during some
01:00:57
kind of fight with the with the two girls and he's losing control of his two victims that he's corralled with this
01:01:03
gun one he may not know that that bullet was was there so he does not know that he made that
01:01:10
mistake the other thing though too is let's say he racked the gun because if he's losing control of these girls one
01:01:18
thing that will that will quickly straighten out people and get people's attention very quickly
01:01:23
is cocking that gun and making that sound right that gets everyone's attention we we discussed this when we
01:01:31
talked about the audio and why there were difficulties with the audio there were a lot of leaves on the ground
01:01:38
that day it's February in Indiana there's a decent chance that even if he knows that he left the bullet there he
01:01:46
may have spent some time looking for it and could not find it but regardless you're you're spot on I
01:01:52
think that if police would have come out right away and said that there was a gun
01:01:56
used in some form or fashion you know maybe maybe he's looking at this and going okay yeah I brought a gun to the
01:02:01
scene with me but that's not what I used to kill the girls and maybe he has no idea that police had evidence that there
01:02:11
was a gun at the scene that day correct so he doesn't know any better to get rid of it what is interesting too
01:02:18
when we talk about the gun and the bullet is that this is a this is going to be a problem
01:02:28
for Richard Allen once this thing finally gets to trial a big problem he's going to have is that he is on record
01:02:36
telling law enforcement and this is what's stated in the PCA Richard Allen stated he had not been on
01:02:43
that property where the unspent round was found that he did not know the property owner and he had no explanation
01:02:49
as to why a round cycled through his firearm would be at that location furthermore he stated that he never
01:02:57
allowed anyone to use or borrow his gun so that's going to be a big problem for him because if they can if their
01:03:09
experts can convince a jury that that unspent live round came from Richard Allen's Gun
01:03:18
that They confiscated from his home he's now telling you I've never lent this gun to anyone ever at any time and
01:03:26
then he's also saying yeah I went to the trails often he said he was would regularly go to the trails oh but I've
01:03:33
never been on that piece of land so he he can't later say Well it his defense cannot say based off of this
01:03:43
information and off of Richard Allen's own words that let us paint a picture of Richard Allen
01:03:51
having having been at the trails many times before we told you when we talked about Richard
01:03:57
Allen's arrest on Halloween that we were aware of a weapons permit that he obtained in June of 2009 that was very
01:04:07
likely a concealed carry permit and so if he's out at these Trails often it's not highly unlikely to believe that
01:04:16
he might have been packing while he's going to the trails regularly but now he can't use the defense of oh I was there
01:04:23
previously and that I must have dropped that bullet or that bullet came out of my gun at a date prior to when the girls
01:04:31
were murdered now what we have is a guy that's admitted to being at the crime scene that day during the time that it's
01:04:39
believed that they were killed having gone there often but a bullet that came from his gun is
01:04:46
found directly between the two murder victims on a piece of land he says he's never been on two feet away
01:04:54
two feet away from one of the victims well let's take a little bit of time to go through Richard Allen's defense teams
01:05:02
rebuttal of the PCA yeah the first thing that in their rebuttal is their interviews that they're giving
01:05:11
after the hearing and he's got two very good attorneys from my understanding that's what I've
01:05:18
been told the the people that know of their work and their career are saying that these are two very good very
01:05:24
capable attorneys both of them were for my recollection on record giving on camera interviews stating that they saw
01:05:33
nothing in this PCA that conclusively points to their client as being guilty there on record as
01:05:43
saying that they believe their client is innocent and he believes he is innocent
01:05:48
and he's told them that much they've also said that there is nothing in this PCA that indicated to them that somebody
01:05:55
else could be involved in this crime I thought that was a little uh a couple things here I thought the whole other
01:06:02
person being involved was odd from both sides of the argument one from the prosecution
01:06:09
to me it seems to like lessen your case a little bit against Richard Allen to publicly state that and maybe they're
01:06:15
just saying it like using that as additional ammunition for not having the PCA released
01:06:22
which but at the same time the the prosecutor showed up to the hearing telling the judge
01:06:28
yeah I brought a redacted version of the PCA with me today that if you were to release it we would ask that you release
01:06:38
this redacted version instead of the full document which again there's eyewitnesses names stated clearly in and
01:06:46
throughout that document and those people need to be protected for many many reasons not not that that
01:06:53
we're just going to have a court case coming up but I also thought it odd on the defense to say yeah we don't know
01:07:00
what the prosecution's talking about somebody else being involved I think regardless of who you're
01:07:06
representing I think you want to keep that door open now if you want to go hard and fast
01:07:12
about it and and say look we don't know what they're talking about it doesn't really matter because our
01:07:19
client is innocent so we don't we don't know if this was committed by one or two
01:07:23
or more people had some kind of involvement it really doesn't matter because our client is innocent that's
01:07:28
one thing but just to say that to not leave the door open a little bit seemed a little weird to me but what we do have
01:07:35
here go ahead well you have to follow that up with his final statement at that Courthouse that day was he basically was
01:07:43
also stating hey look I've just been on this case for seven days I don't know much about this case
01:07:51
so other people involved I don't know exactly what they're talking about because
01:07:57
he's basically telling you I haven't had time to dive into this and he I think even made the statement uh of something
01:08:04
that people in the media and and podcasters and armchair detectives probably know more about the case than
01:08:11
he did at that time last week they released they being his Richard Allen's attorneys released a a statement a press
01:08:19
release statement stating that they do not want to try this case in the media and they intend to adhere to the Indiana
01:08:28
rules of professional conduct that provide guidance to on pre-trial publicity and they do point out look the the
01:08:36
police and prosecutor's office have conducted many press conferences over the five plus years of this
01:08:42
investigation and even additional press conferences following the arrest of their client so I think
01:08:49
it's fair for them to have their give their two cents on everything and they pretty much release a three-page
01:08:56
document to the media that states in bullet point form here's some reasons why and here's some reasons that point
01:09:07
toward Richard or Rick as they refer to him throughout this document as being innocent
01:09:15
and one we we should point out he's never been arrested or accused of any crime in his entire life let alone a
01:09:23
crime of this magnitude up until this point obviously he does state that he spoke with police
01:09:31
on several occasions after the murders that he volunteered information that he came forward again that's not
01:09:41
terribly uncommon in fact we said on True Crime garage that this whole hey we want to know the owner or the driver of
01:09:49
the vehicle parked at the CPS building we said years ago that might just be a ploy that just might be some kind of con
01:09:57
job to get someone to come forward to explain away why their vehicle would have been seen there that day we've seen
01:10:04
and reviewed many cases in the past where there's a fictitious vehicle that's made up by police to try to get
01:10:11
the perp to come forward and now we got a whole nother name on our list of people that admit to being in that
01:10:17
general area that day on the murders Well turns out that might have been Rick Allen's vehicle and then him coming
01:10:25
forward to police and saying that he was there that day again does not make him it doesn't Point towards innocence in my
01:10:31
opinion it it points to Simply exactly what he's saying he was there that day that's not a disputable fact it's it's
01:10:39
something that is fact he was there that day puts him on the suspect list in my opinion and a lot of times these guys
01:10:46
will come forward and they'll say yes I was there that day because they know that they were likely seen by somebody
01:10:52
else and they're trying to get ahead of it they're trying to get ahead of it so you don't have to ask me well why were
01:10:58
you there that day and you said you weren't there that day to me anytime that you put yourself at the crime scene
01:11:04
which that whole crime scene is the park and so by him coming forward that doesn't point to any innocence at all
01:11:12
that points to the probability that points to the possibility that he could be the killer again I agree with
01:11:19
you you then take that person and they're not an eyewitness you put them on a person of interest list well and
01:11:27
then they're trying to call this bullet they're they're calling it a single Magic Bullet so they're trying to
01:11:32
discredit the bullet information and again yes is it exact science it sounds like there's
01:11:40
an argument that it's not exact science but to call it a Magic Bullet is really an attempt to publicly discredit the
01:11:49
information that led to your client's arrest and I don't have a problem with them making a statement because the PCA
01:11:55
was then was the PCA was released to the public but then a judge issued a gag order on the attorneys and so
01:12:06
I think the sad thing for me in this case is when they made an arrest I started thinking well
01:12:14
this is uh the beginning of the end but the more I've talked to experts law lawyers
01:12:24
um defense attorneys other individuals detectives and law enforcement this is the beginning of the
01:12:33
beginning yeah and I think you and everybody are correct in that and we can see that in the information that that we
01:12:41
know about this case we know there's going to be a bond hearing I believe that's scheduled for February of next
01:12:46
year so that is in the foreseeable future but there also will would be a probable
01:12:52
cause hearing at some point there's going to be a preliminary hearing at some point all of those three things
01:12:57
could take place all at the same time the other thing though is we know that the defense has requested a change of
01:13:04
venue and in fact they are stating that they would like for the venue to be 150 miles away from Delphi Carroll
01:13:12
County area but we know that the trial needs to stay in the state of Indiana and so that makes it a little difficult
01:13:22
there's not a whole lot of places that they could end up having this trial if they were to get their requests granted
01:13:29
that it's at least 150 miles away from Delphi because he can't get a fair trial in Carroll County
01:13:36
that doesn't have to be granted that's something that a judge will take under consideration into consideration and
01:13:43
make a determination on at a later date there's there's a chance that we don't see
01:13:50
Richard Allen actually in an actual trial until August I would say maybe August of
01:13:57
next year would be the earliest that I would anticipate a trial this thing could also be
01:14:03
2024 before he's in an actual trial it might be up to 18 months is some of the thoughts that I've had on this ever
01:14:13
since his arrest that we could we could be waiting 18 months to get this and I'm
01:14:17
glad that you brought up the gag order for several reasons it's just an that's what this case is going to be
01:14:24
that's what it was from day one and that's appears that it's going to be that going forward and you know Doug
01:14:31
Carter said you want to know addressing Bridge guy addressing the killer you want to know what we know well one day
01:14:37
you will but that also pertains to the public and to some members of the media as well
01:14:43
and that one day you will might not be until day four five six ten of an actual trial that could be anywhere from eight
01:14:53
months to 18 months away the gag order this is this is one thing it's a side note here Captain but it's one thing
01:15:01
that's always kind of cracked me up that you know we have this this Justice System One the listeners know how much
01:15:08
you like to laugh well and they call it a gag order it's like you could have come up with any
01:15:13
other term think gag order sounds to me like we got some heaving someone heaving in the
01:15:20
corner over there right like an order of Silence would be probably more appropriate than gag owners
01:15:29
so one thing that I do want to thank all of our listeners we I've received a mountain of emails
01:15:38
Thanking us for our continued coverage on the Delphi case we first covered this case in May of 2017.
01:15:46
in episodes 110 and 111 we were one of the first podcasts to cover it that's back when there was very little
01:15:54
information and we had two episodes full of speculation full of rumors and we went on to cover it many times
01:16:04
since and you know that we have now done previous two today Captain we have done
01:16:09
17. we've dedicated 17 episodes about 17 hours of coverage plus today devoted to
01:16:17
this case and in back in May of 2017 when we first covered it we said that we were going to see this thing through to
01:16:25
the end and now here we sit two thousand over two thousand and roughly 20 days later
01:16:37
and now we have a very big and very bright light at the end of the tunnel now we don't know we still don't know
01:16:43
where the end of the tunnel is how long it's going to take us to get there but we for for the very first time in five
01:16:50
and a half years starting in mid-october it looks like there's a very big and bright light at the end of the tunnel
01:16:57
and I'm excited to see what comes of this going forward and I said we covered it 17 times on True Crime garage we've
01:17:06
also discussed this case countless times on our other show off the Record which is available on Stitcher premium if
01:17:12
anybody wants to go and listen to to those shows and then if you will allow me to do this
01:17:18
Captain I'm going to break one of my own rules one of the garage rules that we have we have a very short list of rules
01:17:25
here in the garage and this one was implemented by me but I'm going to go ahead and break one of my own rules one
01:17:32
of our agreed upon garage rules and when we first started this flying ship we said that one thing that we that we were
01:17:40
going to steer away from steer clear of was to get in a habit of Defending ourselves we have put ourselves into a
01:17:48
position where we throw out speculation where we examine a case we bring it into
01:17:53
the garage we take it apart we put it back together see if if everything works and then we give our opinions on these
01:18:01
cases sometimes we're right sometimes we're wrong sometimes the case remains unsolved and we just don't know what is
01:18:07
right and what is wrong until the cases are solved but I'm gonna break my own rule here and
01:18:13
defend ourselves here for a moment because with all the gratitude that came from
01:18:19
the listeners of we thank you for your continued coverage there also came a little bit of pushback and some of that
01:18:24
pushback was well guys don't you think you owe somebody an apology now and here's the thing
01:18:32
I want to be clear in this in this statement first of all I will be giving zero apologies in this
01:18:39
case for a mountain of reasons but one of them will be when all these suspects and I I'm using
01:18:47
air quotes here all these people that were pushed forward by the media and by locals of this person was arrested for
01:18:53
this serious infraction or this crime or this murder or attempted murder or molestation he looks just like Bridge
01:19:01
guy sounds just like bridge bridge guy if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then it then it definitely
01:19:07
is a duck Us in the garage we're telling everyone hold on let's pump the brakes a little
01:19:12
bit here on this let's not string this guy up just yet let's pump the brakes a little bit here in one of our coverages
01:19:19
we discussed an individual that we called we labeled this individual as DP DP was a person that has told police
01:19:27
that he was at the trails that day on the day that the girls were killed and then later his story changed
01:19:35
we at no time and I know I can say 100 percent as fact Yours Truly at no time said that
01:19:44
DP is a suspect in this case what we pointed out was that an individual that puts
01:19:52
themselves at a crime scene be it Delphi be it JonBenet Ramsey be it Lane Bryant
01:19:58
shootings any case that you can think of out there unsolved cases you can think of any person that puts themselves at a
01:20:05
crime scene on the day of the crime should be considered a suspect and should be looked at as a person of
01:20:13
interest until you can clear them of such now what we thought was a misstep in the investigation or appear to be a
01:20:21
possible misstep was that when this individual changed their story we from everything we could see it
01:20:29
looked like they were still being considered a witness a potential witness instead of a potential Person of
01:20:34
Interest and it was of our opinion to move that individual back to the person of interest list rather than just a an
01:20:43
eyewitness no apology will be made because every part of our opinion was is true and it holds true to this day and
01:20:53
it holds true to every case going forward that we we review we will still hold that opinion on other cases but
01:21:00
keep in mind what happened here in Delphi Rick Allen told police that he was there
01:21:06
that day he was at the trails on the day that the girls were killed and then later they they
01:21:16
swallowed that pill early on but later at some point something changed in the investigation that led
01:21:24
them back to Richard Allen and he switched from being a potential eyewitness to a potential Person of Interest
01:21:34
so strong that it led to his arrest and just to double down on that like we said
01:21:40
if we were law enforcement we would take every eyewitness and instead of looking
01:21:45
at them as eyewitness would look at them as a person of interest until we could prove otherwise and if they would have
01:21:52
done that in 2017 they would have made an arrest in 2017 in the Delphi case we want to thank all of our listeners for
01:22:01
sticking with us and listening to all of these episodes that we have devoted to this case if you want to go back and
01:22:07
listen to those prior episodes I'll include those in today's show notes so you can review
01:22:14
them there and decide if you want to go back and listen to them again or listen to them for the first time we also want
01:22:21
to give a big Kudos a big attaboy to Doug Carter and his team at the Indiana State Police the sheriff's
01:22:30
department in Carroll County the Delphi police everybody that had their hands involved in getting an arrest finally in
01:22:38
this case this as the captain pointed out is either the beginning of the end or maybe just the beginning of the
01:22:44
beginning but regardless it's a step in the right direction we've been hoping and praying and at times even crying for
01:22:52
justice for these two poor little girls that were victimized by some kind of monster there that day on the trails and
01:22:59
it looks like finally we might be getting to a good place here in Seeking Justice and getting Justice for Libby
01:23:07
and Abby and we just want to commend everyone for any involvement at all whether it
01:23:13
just being a listener whether just being somebody that told somebody else about the case kept the case alive in the
01:23:19
media and all the way up to the law enforcement officers the the good women and men of Indiana state law enforcement
01:23:28
that kept at it with this case cheers there everyone [Music] foreign they say police didn't contact Allen
01:23:48
after Abby and Libby disappeared instead Alan voluntarily talked with investigators about being on the trail
01:23:54
that day then Allen didn't hear from police again for more than five years until about a month ago they say Allen
01:24:02
did not get rid of his car his guns or his clothing he didn't move and just continued to live his normal life they
01:24:09
attacked the so-called unspent bullet evidence outlined in court documents released this week they criticized
01:24:16
ballistics and its use in court cases calling it anything but a science and they point out prosecutors have
01:24:23
mentioned there may be another person involved in this case but there's no mention of other suspects in the court
01:24:29
documents now before the probable cause affidavit was released the Carroll County prosecutor released a statement
01:24:36
reassuring the public he has a very solid case it went on to say we strongly believe the evidence shows Richard Allen
01:24:44
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