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[Music] crime on June 28th 2015 Dr Teresa sers flew home from Connecticut to her home
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in Florida without her husband Mark and their two daughters the following morning on June 29th she was found
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brutally murdered bludgeon to death inside her home now on July 6th just a little over a week into the
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investigation of the death of Teresa sers there is finally a little bit of good news at least for those in the area
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of the siver's home this is when Sheriff Mike Scott told a local reporter quote I
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am like you or anyone else I want a killer Behind Bars we are working tirelessly Scott said all hands are on
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Deck here literally he went on to say it's a very complicated case there are details I wish I could share but I
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cannot mhm I take a little bit of comfort knowing it's not random or arbitrary Scott said of the murder he
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says his investigators have processed hundreds of pieces of evidence from inside the home and elsewhere including
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from cell phone and computer records from the home and from the office he also said that he believes everything
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that they have in this case and he States it's a lot gives him comfort in saying that this is not a random murder
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this is not arbitrary there are connections that will continue to develop when asked about whether people
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should be conc concerned about a killer still on the streets he said this the the good news with homicide is generally
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speaking random murder is not the case generally speaking there are connections I think that's the case that will play
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out here as well two months after the murders take place the arrest will be made yes these are some new suspects
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that we've not even spoken about yet captain and this was taken from the Florida today
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newspaper from August 27th 2015 the headline the Lee County Sheriff's Office announced an arrest in
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the murder of a well-known Estero doctor during a press conference Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott said they apprehended
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Jimmy Rogers for the killing of Dr Teresa sers who was found dead in her Bonita Springs home in late June mhm
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details were not provided on the arrest or how investigators made the connection
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between sers and Rogers Scott declined to take any questions the spokesman for the Sheriff's Office could not provide
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an exact spelling of the arrest man's name the Sheriff's Office issued an arrest warrant for Rogers on a charge of
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second deegree murder according to a federal arrest warrant Lee Detective Mike DS contacted a federal probation
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agent Monday that Rogers was in the Walmart on Mile Cypress Parkway the day before the
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murder which is a violation of Jimmy Rogers probation sers was killed nearly two months ago on June 29th Scott called
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Sever's case very much an ongoing and active investigation and said the homicide is a most complicated set of
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circumstances Scott said the FBI and the state attorney's office are involved in
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the case now one thing that I there's several Shockers here in my opinion that are not included in the
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Florida Today article that we just read first Jimmy Rogers is and was living in Jefferson County Missouri both at the
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time of Teresa sver you know death when she was killed and months later when he is later arrested which is what
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roughly uh 1100 miles or so away the other thing too that we've already brought up nobody
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we've not spoke about this guy but that's because nobody knows who this guy is not Teresa's family not the people at
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her office not the neighbors that were so concerned that a Madman was on the loose then later that day another
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bombshell there's a second arrest is made and this is Curtis Wayne Wright was arrested he too in Jefferson County
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Missouri but there's there's one big difference here with Curtis Wayne wri a lot of people know who Curtis Wayne
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Wright is right yeah but the the weird thing is when they show his picture like you know you're reading an article
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normally and there's some picture that goes with the article yeah like most people stop reading the article because
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this guy looks exactly exactly like Mark sers yeah so to describe Mark sers for you would be the
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same way of describing Curtis way right he's they're they're men who shave their
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heads have glasses and it appears to be damn near identical glasses uh prescription glasses that they wear and
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they both have goatees mhm and they have a similar build too yeah I've heard people say that they they they look like
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twins but the the crazy thing to me is and we should Curtis Wayne Wright he goes by Wayne so just to you know smooth
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it out a little bit we'll call him Wayne Wright from this point on so we have Jimmy and Wayne Jimmy Rogers and Wayne
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Wright yes and they're both arrested in Missouri correct nobody 1100 mil away the difference between Jimmy and Wayne
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is that Wayne is best friends with Mark sers yes he's he's not only best friends
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with Mark sers he also works for uh Loosely works for Teresa and Mark sers as well he's a computer it guy he went
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to college for a computer and he he was the guy that said up the computers at the Dr T's office mhm and he would he
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monitored them he would um I love when we talk about computers because I just I don't have any words no words come out
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right but it it's because you know the subject so well that it's hard for you to explain it to the Layman to us you
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know m to the lay person yes Mortals but yeah if the computer system went down he
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would fix it he he made sure that the computers kept up and running at the doctor's office
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okay the two are also uh not just best friends but they've been best friends since almost their childhood right you
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know so even Mark siver's family is where well aware of Wayne Wright now what's the connection how do you connect
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these two guys from Missouri to the death of Teresa sers well we have them both on camera at a Walmart that's less
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than 6 miles away mhm the day before or the day of it would well would have been the Sunday
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it would be yeah on Sunday the 28th now so in building the case and I'm a little
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unclear as to how exactly the police got to Jimmy Rogers and Wayne wri one thing
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I found but I could not verify this to be 100% accurate so take this for what you will it it sounds to me like these
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two jokers well they talked a lot they talked a lot about going to Florida beforehand M and and they talked about
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having been to Florida when they got back one of the two I believe it was Rogers even texted someone or had a
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phone call with someone while he was in Florida someone from his work had contacted him asking if he could come in
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to work but he says he can't because he's still in Florida mhm now mind you this is at a time that that would have
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put the two in the State of Florida like the captain said when Teresa sers was killed roughly so I've seen it suggested
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maybe even reported uh I I have it in my notes but again I cannot confirm the crazy thing about this case
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Captain there you know there is a lot out there and I know you thought thought this too there's a lot of information on
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this case out there there's a lot of good information too uh so there was not a whole lot of time spent hunting for
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info on this case there was just so much reading and uh so much to consume and think about mhm because you you know I
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the thing is I want to remind you of what the lead detective on this case said and I think he is exactly right
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when he described this case as a most complicated set of circumstances because it truly
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is right but this part of the case isn't that complicated we have two individuals
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that traveled over 1100 miles we have them within a 10mi radius of the murder taking place we now have one of the vict
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or one of the suspects Wayne has a direct connection with the murdered victim MH worked for her was best
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friends with her husband and we have uh probably evidence at the scene uh fingerprints and things of that nature
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we also have a list of what they bought at the Walmart we have phone records we have text records that they were in
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Florida we have Jimmy talking with his girlfriend at the time about being in Florida
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and we also have the murder weapon that was right by the victim well okay so let's get into this a little bit I and
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I'm trying to piece together how they got to these two individuals I think that it's possible that they may have
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been contacted by somebody that knew one of them either Jimmy Rogers or Wayne Wright as I stated they were telling
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people that they were going to Florida they were telling people that they had just been to Florida right so by now we
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have both of these douche news in jail both have had their trailer homes raided at this point the police even got
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information from Jimmy Rogers girlfriend that's right one of the suspects his his
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girlfriend confesses to deputies that she knows exactly what happened this is Taylor Shoemaker rogers's girlfriend
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tells detectives about his trip to Florida Taylor is going to relay a story to the police but we have to keep in
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mind here that she has already been questioned by police before she gets in into this this questioning room here she
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was questioned by police this was in front of Jimmy Rogers so later the two of them Jimmy Rogers and Taylor
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Shoemaker are having a conversation she's going to relay this conversation to police she said during this
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conversation she said quote he referring to Rogers started asking me like what do
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I know about it I'm like well I know you went down there to kill somebody and then he said yeah she goes on stating I
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asked him what he went down there for and he said to make money and then I asked him how does he make money he said
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murdering Mark's wife then Shoemaker recounts how Rogers then laughed when explaining how he had killed Teresa
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Taylor told the police quote I said did you shoot her and he said no and I said then how did you kill her then he made
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this stupid little chuckle that he does and then he said with a hammer she also told detectives that Teresa's own
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husband Mark sers hired Wayne Wright to kill his wife she says suspect Curtis Wayne Wright then hired Jimmy to help
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out to help out without Mark's knowledge Taylor told police the hammer well that was his weapon of
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choice because quote everybody calls him Jimmy the hammer all of his friends back
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home yeah but nobody calls him the hammer he calls himself the hammer like on his Facebook or his mypace or
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something he was Jimmy the hammer Rogers right okay but he he made it up himself
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and and it was like one of those names it would be like your you know your friend coming hanging out in the garage
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saying hey call me the hammer and everybody else is like yeah we're not doing that we're not doing that [ __ ] but
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yeah and then he then Jimmy goes on to say that I believe that Wayne tried to hit uh Teresa
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first and then he end up taking the hammer from um Wayne and and doing it himself yeah so Taylor Shoemaker she
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says that when the police were questioning her and and Rogers together that that's when she knew something bad
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had happened when he went to Florida but she also like threw out some items some
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gloves and like a shirt from their truck yeah and that actually happened after the police spoke with the two of them
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now when they spoke with the two of them it was a very loose kind of casual interaction it wasn't like they brought
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them in for questioning and separated them and did all that jazz no this was just they went to a place where they
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both were it could have been one of their homes or their home that they were sharing I don't know but they they just
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kind of sat down asked where you were what were you doing these things here here's how how I handle that questioning
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right interrogation right you be you be Jimmy okay okay I go Jimmy Rogers yes sir can I call you the hammer
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that's what everybody calls me and then I just call my hammer the whole time that's how that would work what happens
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is after they get this kind of casual interaction with the police that's when Jimmy Rogers gets in the car with his
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girlfriend and says you know they drive out into the country and I think it was near either his parent his mother's home
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or her mother's home I'm a bit uncertain of this but they're driving out some peaches they're driving out on uh some
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country road and he's instructing her to throw some items out of the the vehicle
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right these end up being clothing items which she does later lead the police to these items and and they're all
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recovered exactly where she said they would be recovered from yeah and so it's kind of weird cuz you when you watch the
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not the interrogation but the questioning with her you do feel bad for her cuz sometimes the police are like
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well why did you do that she's like well I'm I'm riding in a truck with somebody
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that I think just murdered somebody he didn't even know with a hammer she was afraid of him very obviously afraid of
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him and um she probably was you know it's to me when when I hear her speak and I read her words mhm it's
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like when when the police showed up to ask some questions kind of randomly this would have been out of the blue to her
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you know what I mean this would not be something she was expecting it was like a light went off for her during that
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kind of questioning like holy crap this guy has done something right but mind you he broke his probation going to
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Florida anyways so we know that he was convicted of something before he was in jail that's how Jimmy and Wayne met each
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other MH was in jail so when she's dating him you know she probably was trying to give him the benefit of doubt
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he was went to prison maybe he's changed you know everybody in there is innocent
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right well right but what I'm saying is no I'm sure there's a couple that are like I did it
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whatever uh Joseph methany yeah yeah I did it and I did a lot of other stuff I cook them cooked them up and put them in
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hamburgers my point is that she's dating this guy she's probably trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that he you
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know made some mistakes and now he's trying to change his life but once this starts coming out you're going well he
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he didn't change his life and now you'd be scared you know what and here's this is a little off the subject here Captain
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but one thing that I I cannot stand and I know he's he's a bad dude so it's easy
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not to like him Jimmy Rogers dick no but I cannot stand people that give themselves their own
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nickname look what thanks a lot I did it for I did I did it to protect my ref I forgot I was speaking with a person like
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I was trying to teach kids you gave yourself an alias that's different you gave yourself an alias let me tell you
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about this this one guy I used to work with the first time I worked with him the first day he goes um You can call me
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cricket and I said okay he tells informs me everybody calls him cricket and I said okay well what's the significance
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how did you get that nickname name he says back when I was in high school there was a kid used to sit next
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to me in class and all the kids called him cricket and I really liked that so I gave myself that nickname right after I
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graduated high school very awesome very creative let me tell you here's one thing I think we should do Captain
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because we're able to piece together a very good uh timeline regarding what we can what we know happen because this is
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what the police Le can later prove happen during this whole circumstances and I think the waters might be a little
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murky at this point so I think we should go through this clear-cut timeline to lay out what happened because there's
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other suspicions involved here we have this Taylor Shoemaker stating that Jimmy was hired by Wayne who was hired by Mark
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sers right well Wayne and Jimmy are arrested Mark sers is not arrested he's still living at his home with his ERS in
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in some fashion still running the the doctor's office right but mind you this is pure
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speculation because this is just what Jimmy told her and we we don't know but what we do have is we have Jimmy and
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Wayne now in the custody of law enforcement so it it took a lot to get here but what really happened what can
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the police tell us that happened and what are they going to try to prove so this is a pretty comprehensive ensive
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timeline so if you're lost this will fill you in so if you don't pay any attention to anything else we say pay
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attention here right so in December of 2010 Curtis Wayne wri was arrested from the discovery of meth methampetamine lab
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he serves time and is later released while serving time he meets this guy named Jimmy Rogers Rogers was a petty
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criminal for most of his life but before you know for being arrested for a weapons charge which was a much more
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serious charge in September of 2014 Jimmy roggers is released from federal prison in May of
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2015 Curtis Wayne Wright marries he gets married and at the and the wedding takes place in Missouri now
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this is important not only because it's shocking that anyone would marry Wayne Wright but some have speculated that
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this is is where some of the planning for the eventual murder might have happened because at Wayne Wright's
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wedding Mark sers he was he the best man at this wedding Captain he was he was in
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the the Grooms you know he at least a groomsman so Mark's there he's at Wayne's wedding but so is Jimmy Jimmy
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Rogers is a guest at this wedding the hammer now it's uncertain it's not clear if the two actually met or interacted
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during this time but it puts all three of these these guys in the same place at the same time mhm and it's my
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understanding that Teresa sers Mark's wife was not present at this wedding right then that takes us to June 26 this
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is just two days before the attack June 26 2015 Jimmy Rogers worked from 900 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. that day and then he
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was scheduled to be off until June 30th so a short time after leaving work which he was telling everybody at work
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he was going down to help his cousin with something in Florida it's weird because he he had told multiple
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different stories uh about why he was going to Florida and it's almost like he's bragging about this trip you you'd
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mentioned the thing about the cousin he also said something about um uh he was going down there to work a job that was
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going to pay him quite a bit of money then there's this thing about visiting somebody and it was an all expenses paid
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trip so yeah he he had a few things that he threw out there to people yeah Captain dick knows yeah so sometime
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after leaving work on that day on the 26th he meets up with Wayne Wright and the two of them depart for oh here's
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another story they ran a car right but they depart for what he told Jimmy Rogers told his girlfriend would be a
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$10,000 weekend job he doesn't tell tell her what the job is so as you stated Wayne Wright rented a vehicle in his
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hometown the vehicle was complete with a GPS system now police were later able to
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determine that the vehicle rented by Wayne Wright on the weekend Teresa sers was killed that somebody had typed
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Teresa sers address into uh into that GPS system routing out a map to her murder ha got him got him yeah so if
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that's not enough evidence so then they get down to Florida mhm and they get down there on a Sunday and I believe
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they arrive at their destination the siver's house mhm and then guess what they type into their
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GPS some coordinates to the local Walmart well I I there's some stuff I want to get into before we go go to that
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[Music] that all right we're back you Rowdy bastards and we were just talking about Wayne Wright and Jimmy
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Rogers renting a vehicle and then according to the GPS making their way to Florida just two days before Teresa sers
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was killed now this is the thing I wanted to bring up Captain was this and this is where I think things can get a
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little scary or at least weird for reasons that we will explain later but on the on the morning of Sunday June
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28th M the Sever's home security system their home alarm system is Dea activated
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at 609 a.m. okay now the reason why this is strange is because Bonnie sers Mark siver's mother she's not coming over to
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the house until after 8:00 to take care of the dogs right so we could assume this is Wayne and Jimmy deactivating the
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alarm yeah they they go to the Sever's home they have no trouble getting into the home and then they deactivate the
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alarm right but now Wayne is their it guy for computers and phones and stuff like that he might be their it guy for
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their alarm system as well he might know the code he could have set up the alarm
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system he could have even installed the uh garage door opener that you punch the
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code into to open up the garage possible this would put him in give him access to
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the home without even having a key to the front door so after the siver's home alarm system is deactivated at 6:09 a.m.
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on June 28th then later we have Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers they're spotted at a Walmart on 6m Cypress Parkway in
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Fort Meyers Florida this is roughly about 20 miles from from Teresa siver's home yeah they they are actually on
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video footage yeah you see them standing together mhm and while they're there they're going to pick up some items and
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one of those items is going to be a Hammer Hammer rubber boots they also purchased some trash bags and a lock pit
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uh Lockpick Set MH basically a murder kit yeah they they did purchase some other items while they were there but
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those are the ones that stand out well at approximately 8:10 a.m. that morning the sers home security alarm system is
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now reactivated now during the day Mark sers speaks to his mother telling her to
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telling her to leave the home alone alarm system off because remember she tells Mark when they have their
00:31:00
conversation look I'm having some trouble with the alarm system right and that's because it was already because it
00:31:07
was already shut off by Wayne and Jimmy yeah so you know most of these alarm systems you either you type in the code
00:31:13
and you hit press one to turn it on or two to turn it off well let's just assume that um Mark's mother didn't go
00:31:21
to school for computer so she's going up to alarm system right if alarm system is
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on I put in my code right and then it goes alarm off but if the alarm is off and I go up to
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it and go let me put in my code doesn't do anything so when it didn't do anything she probably thought
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what the hell am I doing wrong or there's a chance that she turned it on but here's what I here's what I think
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happened because the words that the police use are deactivated and reactivated okay so she turned it back
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on by putting in the code yeah so what would have happened in that circumstance Captain is that when she left the day
00:32:01
before after leaving the house she turned on the alarm then somebody showed up unbeknownst to her at the home and
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deactivated the alarm before she returned Jimmy and Wayne yeah so when she returns to the house she thinks
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she's turning off the alarm when in fact she's turning it back on MH and so therefore probably uh when when she
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would go to leave you know there there's she's said they've h jacked the the system that's supposed to be running
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it's supposed to be on when she returns however it's not so I didn't do a great job of explaining that but I think you
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get what we're going with that so his he tells his mom look if you're having trouble with the alarm don't bother with
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it because after you let the dogs out later today my wife Teresa she's coming home
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that night so it's not like the house is not going to be monitored for very long
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before she returns right plus there's two people sent to murder her well in this at 4:13 p.m. on that Sunday Bonnie
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sers leaves the home the sers home for the final time and as instructed she does not turn on the alarm sometime
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after Bonnie leaves Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers return to the siver's residence they lay and wait there for
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Teresa to return at 10 p.m. Dr Teresa sers her plane touches down and South Southwest Florida International she then
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calls Mark her husband to tell her him that she arrived safely at 10:55 p.m. Dr sver sers leaves the airport driving the
00:33:39
family's blue van and goes directly to her house then she arrives at home alone it
00:33:47
was at 9:00 a.m. the following day that her office opens she's late they call Mark sers who then in in call calls the
00:33:57
neighbor to go check on the house mhm and we all know what happens from there mhm now later that same day Dr siver's
00:34:08
family Mark and the two girls they arrive back to Florida from Connecticut it's the following day on
00:34:16
June 30th that Jimmy Rogers is back in Missouri and he shares with his employer that he just made a 16-hour trip by
00:34:25
Highway to visit his recent law school graduate brother in Florida M for an all expenses trip uh paid by his brother to
00:34:35
visit him on that same day on the 30th is when that sign goes up on the doctor's office
00:34:41
informing all the patients that Dr s sers has passed away her funeral was held on July 6th and it was on the 12th
00:34:51
of July that a SWAT team raids Wayne Wright's trailer in Missouri on August 24th the Lee County Sheriff's
00:35:01
Office they contacted Jimmy Rogers probation officer this is when they reported that they knew that Rogers had
00:35:08
been in Florida MH a neighbor well actually several neighbors told uh newspapers that they had seen uh Jimmy
00:35:18
Rogers trailer being raided by police he's later arrested for violation of the probation itself but it wasn't
00:35:26
until the following day on the 27th when Jimmy Ray Rogers and Curtis wri are charged
00:35:33
with murder with the murder of do Teresa sers now the strange thing here Captain
00:35:40
is it wasn't until 6 months later when in late February of 2016 that Mark severs is finally arrested at his home
00:35:51
in Bonita Springs Florida right and I I think the thing is you you have to have some kind of connection and when you
00:35:59
have Mark sers like we said earlier in part one that you know he turned over his phone he turned over his uh computer
00:36:10
he also has this airtight Alibi multiple people he's 1300 miles away you know so the only thing here is
00:36:20
that he didn't murder his wife right but did he based off of what Jimmy Rogers is
00:36:26
saying did he set it up where he was going to pay Wayne and then the other question
00:36:32
here is one of the things that has said about Wayne and Mark's relationship was that Wayne really looked up to Mark and
00:36:41
that almost mimicked him when Mark shaved his head because he was going bald Wayne did the same thing right and
00:36:49
a lot of their friends in high school said these guys were super close but back in the day they didn't look like
00:36:57
wins almost like one person is um mimicking the other and you got one guy living in this trailer and another guy
00:37:06
married to a successful woman running a successful practice where they're paying
00:37:11
you to do it work and phone work you know so your friend is married to has a lot of money lives in a big nice house
00:37:21
you start wondering is Mark involved in some way or is this some plan that Wayne
00:37:28
came up with all on his own well we should also throw out there too that that they have the appearance that they
00:37:34
have a lot of money it actually looks like once you get beneath the surface that they they probably didn't have a
00:37:41
lot of money that the finances were being mishandled somehow well yeah they were making a lot of money they were
00:37:47
spending a lot of money I mean I tell the story all the time I used to have this this stupid ass dick face I mean I
00:37:56
mean he was just the worst human in the world I think he drove like a Porsche or
00:38:00
something the guy would come in all smug and he like it's like he sprayed his colog 10 times too many mhm you know and
00:38:08
so I remember one time he puts eight grand into the bank so he put the eight grand at the
00:38:14
bank but he was like negative seven Grand right right so he comes in the next day and then there's
00:38:22
more fees so he he puts in eight grand or whatever he now down to like $200 mhm he's like um give me a, And1 100 so I go
00:38:33
well you only got hundred something dollar left you know so my point is you know and then of course he was pissed
00:38:39
he's like dude I gave you $88,000 yesterday I was like yeah but you're in the negative you owed us that much right
00:38:45
so but my point is they were making a lot of money yeah she was a very successful doctor the problem there was
00:38:52
they were spending more money than they made and so so but still it's that lifestyle you still have nice cars you
00:39:01
still have a nice house this is something uh and also we have an open relationship and possible swinging
00:39:08
happen happening is it possible that you know he comes there he drives 1300 miles
00:39:16
he's hanging out with him one night he's drinking with them that he ends up having sex with her at some point is
00:39:23
that possible possibly yeah and so if that happens is there some kind of jealousy thing on well we should be
00:39:31
clear about what you're kind you're kind of doing a balancing act on offense here
00:39:35
and I think we should be clear about what you're getting to because it the reason why Mark sers is arrested is
00:39:42
because Wayne Wright his best friend that happens to look exactly like him he he tells the police look Mark sers paid
00:39:51
me to kill his wife Mark sers orchestrated this whole thing or was going to pay me right right and so that
00:39:59
they didn't arrest Mark sers until 6 months later because they really had nothing on him until one of these guys
00:40:05
flipped on him now they right but what and it we need to be clear it took Wayne six months to flip on him yeah because
00:40:14
he was going to face the death penalty right uh and Florida is pretty good at at killing people so he probably got
00:40:21
scared now okay so up until this point we have Shoemaker Jimmy rogers's girlfriend mhm that she
00:40:30
can tell police all day and all night that you know what Mark sers hired Wayne and then Wayne hired Jimmy and this is
00:40:37
how this whole thing went down the problem is they don't have any evidence to that now when you have a guy that's
00:40:43
facing murder charges and the guy comes forward and he says you know what instead of putting me on the death
00:40:50
giving me the death penalty let's reduce this thing down to second degree murder
00:40:54
I'll plead guilty I'll plead guil guilty mm you give me 25 years and I'm going to
00:41:00
testify for you against Mark sers then boom you go arrest Mark sers now here's the big debate though the the the the
00:41:09
balancing act that the captain was doing here is this doesn't necessarily mean that
00:41:14
Mark sers is absolutely 100% guilty there's still some things that you have to analyze in this because you have and
00:41:21
and here's the thing when I went into this Captain I went into this looking at it like this Mark sers guy he's guilty
00:41:27
as can be there's no changing my opinion now where my opinion did change was and
00:41:34
yes you could say that the people that I listened to were biased however the people that changed my opinion were
00:41:40
listening to his family this Mark Sever's family his mother his his sister and then listening to some of his
00:41:47
friends that were not associated with Wayne Wright these people paint a much brighter better picture of
00:41:56
markers and these people this is what they're wondering they're not saying they're not saying 100% are markers that
00:42:04
we know and love is innocent what they're saying is this think about this idea that possibly
00:42:11
Wayne rright did this without Mark siver's knowledge and then once he's caught once he's busted the only
00:42:19
Lifeline he has left to throw out to save his own ass is to throw mark sers under the bus and be willing to testify
00:42:27
against him in court right but okay so what's the evidence against Mark let's get into that yes so the evidence
00:42:35
against Mark well this you can take this or leave this as far as you want to go for evidence but there were there was
00:42:41
four over four million dollars worth of life insurance uh planned to pay out upon Teresa siver's death yeah this is
00:42:50
where it's interesting though it's four point some million .4 million but there was like five policies there's a lot of
00:42:57
policies yes which is odd so yeah I would think so and and also when you're when you're behind on bills and you're
00:43:07
constantly living paycheck to paycheck kind of a weird thing to pay out to have those five and we know that Mark is kind
00:43:16
of running that area you know she is running the practice but he's running probably payroll he's probably running
00:43:23
their finances he's kind of taking care of the kids why she's at work and there's been speculation captain and I
00:43:29
don't know if this is coming from the media or from the law enforcement but there's been speculation that Teresa
00:43:36
sever may not have been aware of some of these policies right that maybe he took
00:43:42
them out without her knowledge or forged documents here's the thing I don't typically think life insurance is a red
00:43:51
flag that's usually not a red flag to me I understand that it is motive at times
00:43:57
but what I mean by that is if somebody has a policy for 80,000 or $100,000 I kind of look past that as as a red flag
00:44:05
when I see policies that are for these large sums of money four millions $4.5 millionar and I understand when you have
00:44:13
a nice home and when you have children together that you should increas running a practice you should increase and carry
00:44:19
larger amounts of insurance but this seems like an extreme amount of insurance this seems like a warranted r
00:44:26
flag to me yeah and what else do we have against Mark well really we only have the words of of these these other people
00:44:36
that we know to be involved by their own admission uh into the murder of his wife
00:44:42
now Jimmy roggers to be clear has not told the police he's not said hey I'm guilty and I'm willing to cooperate
00:44:47
right but we have his girlfriend that's fed them plenty of information that makes him look very guilty the other
00:44:53
thing though is there are some here's what I wonder that's going to come out in in in trial there's been a
00:45:01
lot of communication between Wayne Wright and Mark sers and what I mean by that there's been more texting and
00:45:08
communication between the two of them than even Mark and his own wife Teresa MH now just having a longdistance
00:45:16
friendship could explain that way yeah but there's some weird stuff going on and him being involved in the business
00:45:21
could explain this way but there is some weird interactions uh you came across some things where
00:45:28
it's where Mark is calling referring to him as honey or baby when when talking to Wayne yeah um that's weird which we
00:45:36
you know he we don't know they could be joking around I don't know those were found from text messages that were
00:45:43
released to the public however they redacted a lot of the information within those text message so there's there's a
00:45:49
lot of missing portions of those conversations there's one thing that's incredibly interesting though and that
00:45:55
that's that Wayne Wright would say that a lot of the communication they did a lot of the organizing and planning of
00:46:02
this murder was done over a burner phone mhm that they both had phones untraceable phones right so this would
00:46:10
be like a prepaid phone that you'd buy somewhere right yep and what what is stated during some of those text
00:46:18
messages on their regular phones on their day-to-day phones right is you have situations where Mark sers is
00:46:24
talking to Wayne Wright and he's saying hey can you talk in 10 minutes or hey do
00:46:28
you got 15 minutes to talk and then he would use the word other in parentheses now police and police using
00:46:37
information given to them by Wayne Wright states that when they say other Mark is saying let's talk on these other
00:46:44
phones not have this conversation on our day-to-day our everyday phones and that's probably not even a text message
00:46:50
that's probably like an actual just pick up and call um so that's that is interesting so we have those two
00:47:00
pieces here's some strange things that I think about though Captain okay so I don't want to hear about the strange
00:47:06
things you think about well in relation to this case let's narrow it down a little bit let's let's focus on this
00:47:12
case so all right there's there's a couple issues here one we know Mark would have
00:47:19
had information that his wife would be returning from the vacation before and without the rest of the family he could
00:47:26
have passed that information along to Wayne that's an easy scenario we can all wrap our heads around the other scenario
00:47:33
is this if Mark is if I'm sorry if Wayne oversees their computers even just at their office even if it's not at their
00:47:42
home just their office let's say if office computers were used to purchase those plane tickets mhm then Wayne would
00:47:50
also know that information without Mark having told him that information if is done through a email or like you get
00:47:59
confirmations you know if you bought plane tickets you get the confirmation through your email so so that's possible
00:48:05
but here here's the other thing though too is and it's not saying that Wayne wouldn't know this information but
00:48:12
obviously it was the family is planning a trip and then she's going to come back
00:48:17
early mhm and so what a perfect time to do this right now what's weird is it's a
00:48:25
perfect time it's a perfect time for Wayne to do it it's a perfect time for Mark to tell Wayne to do it mhm Jimmy
00:48:35
and Wayne both were talking about this trip months in advance right mhm so to me that's a little more evidence leaning
00:48:45
to the fact that Mark is paying them because he would have known about the trip way more in advance you see what
00:48:53
I'm saying unless the tickets were purchased way in advance Advance right but then that would
00:48:58
be Wayne for whatever reason wants to kill her which we don't know what the motive would be mhm and he is planning
00:49:07
this months and months in advance because he hears about a trip mhm you see what I'm saying like if he wanted
00:49:14
her dead that bad for whatever reason like you I don't know I just think it's kind of weird okay let me throw this at
00:49:23
you because I I've been I've been going back and forth on this quite a bit because my thought is I I want to try to
00:49:29
hear out Mark s's family and I want to try to understand what they're saying now they've not presented these ideas to
00:49:36
anybody as far as I'm aware but what I could come up with was this the only problem I have with Mark
00:49:44
sers being involved in this is his mother Bonnie sers that throws that throws a wrench into the plan a little
00:49:53
bit you have Bonnie sers coming and going at times that she determines to let these dogs out and to
00:50:00
check on the house now Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers we know this because the the alarm system
00:50:08
was deactivated at 6:00 in the morning Teresa cers didn't arrive at home until 11:00 p.m. or 11:30 p.m. MH so they were
00:50:17
there for for like what 16 18 hours before Teresa returns to the home and I know they spent a lot of that time out
00:50:25
side of the home they went to Walmart and they went to the beach and they killed time waiting for Teresa to return
00:50:31
at 11 11:30 at night the wrench in the problem is they were they there's a chance that they were within a 60-minute
00:50:40
window of bumping into Bonnie sers yeah but they would have known they would have
00:50:45
known this stuff again this points towards Mark too they would have known her actions and whereabouts based off a
00:50:53
mark they wouldn't know that if Mark's not involved so they wouldn't have known when they could have got into the house
00:51:01
and when they couldn't have got into the house that she came once in the morning
00:51:04
and once at night and isn't it just so weirdly that uh that they're there the whole time that she's there
00:51:11
twice right right or maybe she's only there once on that Sunday but she never runs into them and then the murder
00:51:19
doesn't take place until probably after mid midnight right so no but what I'm what I'm saying
00:51:28
though is that that's a loose end for Mark sers if Mark knows Mark knows everything let's assume he knows
00:51:33
everything that's going on that he orchestrated this whole thing the loose end is his mother checking on the dogs
00:51:39
she you can tell your mother show up at 8:00 a.m. and let them out and then come
00:51:43
back at 400 p.m. and let them out once you leave for Connecticut you have no control over what time that woman
00:51:48
decides to show up to let the dogs in and out of the house right well all I'm saying is it's pretty easy if she was
00:51:54
only supposed to to go there once on Sunday it's this simple you text her in the morning hey what time do you think
00:52:00
you're going to go over there right M or hey we know or you're talking to her while you're on vacation and she's like
00:52:07
uh you know maybe you know your mom's a creature of habit if she says she's going over there at 8:00 it's going to
00:52:12
be between 800 and 9 no matter what M all I'm saying is it's a very small wrinkle to deal with and well it may not
00:52:21
even be a wrinkle to deal with and here's what I mean by this I think it's a big loose end I think it's a big
00:52:27
problem because if for some reason you you're sending people that you have paid to kill a woman so by by them signing up
00:52:38
for the job they're stating they're very capable of killing somebody in Cold Blood right how do you know they're not
00:52:44
going to freak out if they bump into your mother at the house and kill her okay so that is listen listen listen
00:52:52
that's not that big of a deal cuz they're best friends guess who would know who his mom is Wayne would know who
00:52:58
Mark's mom is she comes into the house he wouldn't go oh my God I thought it was Teresa right mhm that's what I'm
00:53:06
saying he would know and then if if Wayne was in the house and he bumped into Mark's
00:53:12
mom hey what are you doing here you don't have to kill her you just have to say I'm working on the security system
00:53:19
no I get that I get that but that's out of Mark's hands once he leaves for Connecticut all that stuff's out of his
00:53:26
hands he can't control his mother's movements coming and going from the home he can't control Wayne and Jimmy's
00:53:32
movements coming and going from the home now it's it's also reported though that
00:53:37
Wayne is a very intelligent man and so maybe Mark had a little more faith in him that hey if I'm paying him to kill
00:53:46
the wife he's going to kill the wife and that's it I I don't think it's that big
00:53:51
of a deal I disagree I disagree all right so whether or not that is actual deal or
00:53:59
not the thing that you can't it's I'm having a hard time explaining is the text messages where it says other talk
00:54:07
on other mhm to me that is fishy and if Mark can't explain that away the the thing here is you either have two very
00:54:16
dumb guys committing this murder or you have three dumb guys one who hired two dumb guys to carry out the murder
00:54:24
because they made as as far away as they came from Wayne Wright and Jimmy Rogers
00:54:31
made it very easy for the police to catch them there should have been very little to connect these two to to Bonita
00:54:38
Springs Florida right I mean you don't put it into GPS you don't put it into GPS you don't rent a vehicle in your
00:54:45
name you figure out how to get there without doing things like that mhm you don't go to a Walmart so you can be seen
00:54:52
on video footage yeah but here's the big thing that that even even a disorganized
00:54:58
mentally ill killer has avoided in the past MH when you beat somebody to death with a hammer don't leave that hammer at
00:55:09
the crime scene M that presents a very big because remember earlier you know you know there's some psychopath right
00:55:16
now in their basement listening to us writing down don't leave Hammer well okay so earlier when we
00:55:23
talked about how did the police track these guys down we know look they didn't arrest them until till late August they
00:55:31
were already on these dudes you can tell by Sheriff Scott's words when he's talking to the reporter they were
00:55:38
already into this story into this story somehow back 10 days after the murder when he says you know what this was not
00:55:45
a random thing MH we I'm very confident when I say that there are connections to
00:55:50
the victim from the murderer in this case I'm very confident when I state that and I wonder if it was something as
00:55:56
simple as this did they trace that hammer we know they found the hammer mhm how hard is it to go you know what who
00:56:04
distributes this Hammer who do they distribute it to okay I understand that there's like a million thousand Walmart
00:56:10
stores and maybe every single one of them carries this particular make and model of hammer I get that there's a lot
00:56:16
of them out there that it could be a very common Hammer however there's a chance that when they go how hard is it
00:56:22
to go look this thing this Hammer is distributed to Walmarts uh we got five or six of them that are within a 30 mile
00:56:29
radius of the crime scene oh there was one purchased at this Walmart on this day at this particular time it was a
00:56:38
cash purchase they bought everything that they bought that day with a $100 bill now there would still be record of
00:56:45
that sale they could go you go to all those Walmarts and you say okay I need to see surveillance of who bought this
00:56:53
there's a chance you even pick up the person's license plate in one of the surveillance cameras in the parking lot
00:56:59
well and the I wouldn't they probably wouldn't know who they're looking for no they wouldn't but you if you can if you
00:57:05
can get a a picture of the guy or persons standing at the register at the time that the hammer was paid for mhm
00:57:14
well I think what probably tipped them off is you know like we said Wayne looks just like Mark so you know what Mark
00:57:20
looks like so all of a sudden if let's say you go to that Walmart and you're look through video footage and all of a
00:57:26
sudden you see a guy the day uh you know the day before the murder takes or before they found the body you see a guy
00:57:33
buying a hammer that looks just like the lady's husband mhm then you go oh [ __ ]
00:57:38
but that's not the lady's husband well who's this guy so I don't know where where do you lean what's Your Gut
00:57:44
Feeling telling you about this case well I want to point out here captain that earlier I was not trying to make a
00:57:50
strong argument for why Mark sers might be innocent by bringing up his mother but I wanted to kind of put you in the
00:57:58
shoe in my shoes where I was trying to figure out where this thing would go because what we're going to have here
00:58:03
and what we're going to see once it finally gets to trial is you're going to have Wayne Wright saying I was hired by
00:58:09
Mark sers to kill his wife you're going to have Mark sers coming forward with the defense saying I had nothing to do
00:58:16
with this Wayne Wright is a crazy bastard and he killed my wife and then later tried to blame it on me mhm so
00:58:22
you're going to have two very conflicting stories and I was wondering where I could find things that would
00:58:28
make me question who was involved and who was not involved and I will state again I do believe that Bonnie sers is a
00:58:36
bit of a loose end for Mark being involved in this now here's the thing what I mean by that is what if these
00:58:43
killers decide to kill your mother that's not who you hired them to kill however if Mark sers is just a
00:58:50
complete horrible dude psychopath guy maybe he doesn't care if his mom happens to get attacked or something happens
00:58:58
during the course of them carrying out this quote unquote Mission the other thing is and you're right they wouldn't
00:59:04
have to necessarily kill Bonnie sers but that's out of your hands once you put them those men inside your home and your
00:59:12
potential mom inside the home at the same time well obviously you're a piece of [ __ ] if you're hiring some guy to
00:59:18
come in kill your wife and she and it's not just your wife it's the mother of your two children well yes obviously
00:59:25
obviously but I still think that the mother is a a bit of a loose end yeah they don't have to kill her her but
00:59:32
guess what the the plan what they were hired to do that's off now you can't bump into Bonnie sers and then later
00:59:39
that night Teresa sers is murdered in her home and that's that's not easy to P piece together right right but I I think
00:59:47
they have more here I mean they were able to uh take death penalty off the table and I don't think law enforcement
00:59:53
or the prosecutor ERS would have done that if if Wayne wasn't able to give them mark on a silver platter and with
01:00:02
this loose evidence that we have that's not enough to arrest Mark so there had to be something else to even just get
01:00:08
that arrest well and then I have to then I have to question Wayne Wright's story
01:00:12
right okay so why would his story be right when when I'm saying that there's this loose end for Mark story so the
01:00:20
loose end for Wayne Wright story is Jimmy Rogers mhm you have this violent guy that you're bringing down there with
01:00:28
you and if the story goes as it goes that that you're hired to commit murder he's there for the sole purpose to make
01:00:35
sure that this murder happened because it appears that if they were hired for murder that Wayne Wright was not
01:00:40
comfortable doing it by himself yeah he might not have thought he could exactly cuz I mean he he's friends with Mark so
01:00:48
he could have been friends with Teresa and why would Wayne Wright be or I'm sorry why would Jimmy Rogers be a loose
01:00:55
end for way well the problem here is if you don't get paid to carry out your task remember they were supposed to get
01:01:01
paid from insurance money insurance money only gets paid upon someone's death so that means that you bring this
01:01:08
guy down there with you you kill somebody and if you're not getting that money from Mark you have no way to pay
01:01:15
Jimmy the hammer Rogers who could in turn later kill you for being upset that he didn't get paid $10,000 for going
01:01:22
down there and helping you so that's the loose for Wayne wri that's the part he's
01:01:26
not going to be able to explain away until you get to this there was $40,000 in a safe in that household that
01:01:35
was it it was not take the for the money was not taken from the home the strange
01:01:40
thing I find about their actions that day was they showed up at the home at 6:00
01:01:45
a.m. they left the home and went to Walmart to purchase what we believe items to kill Teresa sers with and to
01:01:53
clean up with afterwards mhm one of the items that they purchased during that visit was a Lockpick Set why would they
01:02:01
show up why would they need a Lockpick Set when we know that they probably entered through using the code through
01:02:07
the garage door and then entered the home and typed in the security code they don't even need a key to the house let
01:02:13
alone a Lockpick Set to break into the home mhm so then I got to wondering is there a chance that Wayne Wright knew
01:02:20
that they had a safe in the home with $40,000 in it and if he did does he hire this Punk Jimmy Rogers to ride shotgun
01:02:28
with him go down he knows maybe he assumes all four family members are going to be gone until the following day
01:02:34
that he wouldn't encounter anybody would not have to kill anybody that he went down there behind his friend's back just
01:02:40
to steal $40,000 from this house he gets to the house why would they show up to the
01:02:46
house first and then leave and then come back that's strange too it's almost like
01:02:51
okay you know a lot of us know our friends pretty well there's some people that I'm sure go you know what he's told
01:02:58
me time and time again there's $40,000 in this safe and I know he keeps the keys on his desk you show up at 6:00
01:03:04
a.m. you get to the desk there's no keys there now you need a Lockpick Set so I wondered if he went back in one of the
01:03:11
purchases being the lock pick set to pick the lock to the safe to rob the safe and leave there not intending to
01:03:20
kill anybody no they intended to kill people they bought a hammer they bought rubber boots they bought trash bags I
01:03:27
understand I understand I'm just kind of walking through this thing you're sitting landmines along my road here
01:03:33
yeah but they they show back up to the house the Teresa stumbles upon their little breaking and entering situation
01:03:42
they freak out and kill her that could be an argument for Wayne wri there's the another issue here though when when you
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start pulling through all these things of why and who could be involved and who could be innocent the other problem is
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though why did they have $40,000 in the house to begin with we've heard time and
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time again they were living paycheck to paycheck Mark was in charge of the finances it doesn't seem likely to me
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that a that a family living paycheck to paycheck would choose to have $40,000 sitting inside their home maybe she
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didn't know about the money though that's what I'm getting at and that's what I think Mark's going to have a big
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problem explaining when he gets to trial is that why was that $40,000 in the house was that
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$40,000 one a a down payment to these guys that are going to show up and kill your wife and B were they supposed to
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break into that safe or pick the lock to make it look like it was a burglary that wouldn't be traced back to
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Mark or any of his friends exactly and I think you're right on something one thing you're you're incredibly right
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about here captain and I and I hope you're right because I share the same suspicion I think we are not hearing
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about potentially a mountain of evidence against markers it's going to be so interesting when this thing finally gets
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to court what evidence ends up coming out and how much of it is not produced just based off of what Wayne Wright says
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right and so somebody is a horrible piece of [ __ ] it's either a group of two or a group of three and hopefully law
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enforcement gets to the bottom of this and the real victims other than Teresa for the children cuz they lost not only
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their mother but now they lost their father all right I still cannot tell you beautiful people about our announcement
01:05:42
so but we're getting closer yes we are so and we're not doing this just to tease people Captain likes to tease I do
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like to tease poke people's stomachs pull their ears Wet Willies should we remind them
01:05:59
one more time about the crime con because it's coming up it's it's going to be in May the first weekend of May
01:06:05
and if you want tickets to Crime con we were there last year the we had a great time meeting everybody for one
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event half a day but I'm going to be there for the entirety of the event this year we yeah we signed a contract that
01:06:16
will be there for the whole time now what it is is a bunch of people hanging out there's a bunch of activities
01:06:23
there's a bunch of events go to crimecon docomo we'll be there there's going to be a bunch of podcasts uh we hung out
01:06:33
with Generation Y last year we hung out with and I think this year we're going to have Mike from sword and scale will
01:06:38
be there um it's loaded a bunch of other people up and vanished we got to hang out with Payne Lindsay last year had
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some drinks with him uh we had drinks with Bob Ruff with truth and Justice mhm so basically we're going to be drinking
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the whole time and then what we did last year what I did last year was we would just hang out at the hotel bar and drink
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hotel motel holiday in and we just get hammered at night so it's a it's a great time I think you can buy weekend
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packages now but when you do so um go use our promo code TC garage that's TC garage at and that would be at crime
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con.com thank you Captain and once again I got so angry I damn near lost my voice
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so I have a whole week to recuperate what hard being wrong until next time everybody be good
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