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[Applause] [Music] [Music] my name is Sergeant Jeremy pierce the public information officer with Indiana
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State Police out the Lafayette post while investigating the murders of Abigail Williams in Liberty German
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detectives with the Carol County Sheriff's Office and the Indiana State Police have uncovered an online profile
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named Anthony shots this profile was being used from 2016 to 2017 on social media applications including but not
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limited to Snapchat and Instagram the fictitious Anthony shot's profile used images of a known male model and
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portrayed himself as being extremely wealthy and owning numerous sports cars the creator of the fictitious profile
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use this information while communicating with juvenile females to solicit nude images obtain their address and attempt
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to meet with them pictured on your screen you'll see images of the known male model and images of the fictitious
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profile sent to the underage females we have already identified the male in these images that were used by Anthony
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shots the mail in the photo is not the person of interest in the investig ation detectives are seeking information about
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the person who created the Anthony shot's profile investigators would like any individual who communicated met or
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attempted to meet the Anthony shot's profile to contact law enforcement by utilizing the tip email Abby and Libby
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tip at cf. please provide as much information as you possibly can for example when you
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communicated with Anthony shots how you communicated with the profile what social media applications the account
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used and if Anthony shots attempted to meet you or obtain your address if you have saved images or conversations with
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Anthony shot's profile please attach them to your email again if you have any information please contact law
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enforcement by utilizing the tip email Abby and Libby tip atca Co hf.com thank you
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[Music] [Applause] on February 13th 2017 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German disappeared in
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Deli Indiana and this has now become an incredibly Infamous case with news spreading Across the Nation almost
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immediately back in 2017 unfortunately the next day the bodies of both girls were discovered the
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following day on February 15th 2017 a cell phone image was released to the public that image contained a person
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that we have been referring to as BG or Bridge Guy this is because this is the suspect or the killer of the girls who
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was spotted on the bridge and captured on Libby German's phone that image again was released to the public on the 15th
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the week later audio was released saying down the hill we can hear the suspect saying down the hill which sounds like
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he's directing the girls away from the Monon High Bridge and to where they will eventually be killed on July 17th 2017 a
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sketch was released and then in April of 2019 a new sketch an additional audio was released the new sketch looked to be
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similar to the first sketch that was released may have been of a different person but appeared to be younger at the
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very least and the additional audio that we hear is saying guys down the hill again almost sounding like the killer
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the abductor was instructing both of the girls starting in 2017 when we had the double homicide law
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enforcement was asking anyone with any information at all to send tips to Abby and Libby tip at CAC
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sf.com and they were requesting that you include the following information the suspect's name date of birth or
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approximate age physical description including height weight hair color and eye color address or location including
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City vehicle information including year make model and color of vehicle specific
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reason for your tip why could they be the suspect motivation for the crime and connection to Deli Indiana and of course
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they were reminding the public that individuals don't need to have all of those pieces to send a tip but they do
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ask to include as many details as possible last week the Indiana State Police sent out the request for
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additional information that you heard at the top of this show this time they are
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asking for anyone that has any information in regards to an online name a user profile on social media accounts
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going by the name of Anthony unor shots and with this case being so highly publicized this is really the first big
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information since the press conference in 2019 we have a situation Captain where we have a public that is has a
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strong desire to help in some way help this community try to heal bring some justice to uh the situation for both of
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our victims liby and Abby and their families and so we have a public that feels like it's starved for information
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give us some information let us help us to help you is kind of the old expression there right here what's
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interesting with the new information that comes out December 7th of this year just last week is we are told at the
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early part of that request by ISP Indiana State Police that while investigating the murders of Abigail
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Williams in Liberty German detectives with the Carroll County Sheriff's department and the Indiana State Police
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uncovered an online profile named Anthony unor shots this profile was being used from 2016 to 2017 on social
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media applications including but not limited to Snapchat and Instagram and then later they say detectives are
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seeking information about the person who created the Anthony unor shots profile investigators urge any individual who
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communicated with met or attempted to meet the Anthony shots profiler to contact law enforcement by
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utilizing the tip email and telephone number that is used in the deli double homicide case the Abby and Libby tip at
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CAC sh r.com and then the number is 765 822 3535 that's the phone tip the really
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interesting Parts here to the general public are going to be the the start of that request bookended by the end of it
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right so at the bookends we have while investigating the double homicide right this is some information that we came
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into they're of course going to be vague and unclear of how they came into this information or how it's it's involved in
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their homicide investigation and then at the other end they're saying you know what we need more information about
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Anthony shots and when you send us that information here is the vehicle here is the avenue to giving us that information
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and that's going to be through the same ways that we are requesting tips in the double homicide which makes you believe
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that they're connected but also your ears perk up when you here online profile not limited to Snapchat and
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Instagram because the girls were on the bridge they took pictures on Snapchat that's one of the ways that their
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friends and family were able to locate them this case has had many titles Abby and Libby's case the deli murders the
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Snapchat murders yes and unfortunately this these double homicides took place in February of 2017 and we covered I
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believe it was early early May of 2017 was the first time we discussed it here in the garage and at that time I mean
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you you sit back and you look and you go okay well the information we have today
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it doesn't all make sense there's a lot of blanks to fill in there's a lot of dots to be connected we don't know what
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exactly is connected to the case and what is not connected to liby and Abbey's case right so you sit here and
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go well this situation seems a little confusing and we don't seem to have a whole lot of information well guess what
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in the DeLorean and go back to May of 2017 and see what kind of information you had and uh we had to do a show on
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the case because we were both really absorbed by the thing we were really eyeballs deep in this thing for weeks
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and we just said look we understand there's not a lot here not a lot to chew on but also maybe we can help shine some
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light and get some information coming in and so there was a lot of speculation offered up by us and we pulled in
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speculation that we were seeing on the internet in chat rooms and Reddit and everywhere else websleuths wherever we
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could find different speculation and some of it you know probably more on point than others but again at the time
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we didn't know much and we still don't know a whole lot so we won't know what was spot on till they get this thing
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solved in the last four years this case has probably been investigated more times by armed chair detectives and web
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SL than any other case and it's all over the place on podcast I mean this I was a
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little surprised to see the number of people in podcast that hit this update with the quickness last week right and
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so here in the garage we had our case that we were talking about last week and this was really Earth shattering stuff
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to us because I mean it's just kind of stunning it stops you in your tracks and you go okay this seems to be something
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new but I don't know really what to make of it and I'm a little confused and a little foggy on how it's tied in or even
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if it is tied into Libby and aby's case well like you said it's the same tip line but they're not coming out and
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saying that this person is a suspect in the murders of Abby and Libby it seems that that's what they're implying but
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they're not coming out and directly saying that and then with the news coverage of this case being ramped up
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not just by podcasts but people on YouTube creators on YouTube and the media in general and then you have local
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news coming out just the next day saying well we know who Anthony shots is or at
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least we know who created the account and they knew that back in 2017 well and I'm glad that you brought
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up the Snapchat killer or whatever that moniker was that was floating around in 2017 because I've been watching a lot of
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news Clips listening to a lot of different people reading a lot of stuff over the course of of the last I've been
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hyper hyper into it for the last 72 hours right but incredible amount of stuff that you can find on the internet
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and elsewhere late last week one thing that I got a little annoyed with was seeing and
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reading multiple sources saying you know we when we were looking into this last year when we were talking to the locals
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a couple years ago we kept hearing these rumors of there's some kind of connection to the internet or connection
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to social media Snapchat referenced and we didn't feel that we should discuss that or we didn't feel that it was
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appropriate or we were asked not to mention that or didn't know if it was credible right I just don't really
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understand why anybody felt like they were to be sitting on that information this those were rumors that were going
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on within weeks of the homicide not only is this case connected to Snapchat because
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the girls were on Snapchat taking photos of themselves at the bridge but you had
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an individual that came forward that claimed that he knew one of the girls was talking to an older individual
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online right and I'll tell you what the situation is yes you could see that that
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could be plausible that that that might even be likely it's difficult to say I feel like with this new information that
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comes out it it either suggests that that's far more likely than we once thought or this is a whole
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different a whole different monster into itself in regards to the tips you know with requesting tip information from the
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public and and kudos to you public and armchair slle and internet slle out there there's been no shortage of of
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information that has been presented to ISP and the Carol County Sheriff's Office and the FBI how much of it is
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actually good information probably not very much at all would be my speculation you can't you know you can't smack
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somebody on on the hand for trying to help and so this is the situation that we find ourselves in once again we are
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asked to give more help and if anybody knows anything let's report it if anybody has any information specifically
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about Anthony shots any kind of online profile social media profile Anthony shots they want to hear from you now one
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thing that I think is a little bit of a a misstep here in this investigation and
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a misstep in the request for information from the public that I think that they really kind of left out in the 2017
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request for information I want to start off by giving them some praise here because I think it's smart and valuable
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to tell the public and remind them that we are looking for specific information right name of the individual that you're
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reporting if you have a date of birth even if you can just tell us a year that he was born or approximate age physical
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description where the person may live or known location especially at the time or
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Time Around The Murders vehicle information specific reason why you're giving the tip right why do you
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suspect this person and what would be their motivation for committing such a heinous crime their connection to the
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area Deli Indiana that's not you know what 2900 people live there approximately what would be this
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person's connection to the moanin High Bridge or the trail system or Deli itself or even Caroll County well one of
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the things I took notice of right away is that they had Jeremy Pierce asking for this information Sergeant Jeremy
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Pierce why didn't they have to lesen be or Carter ask this information to law enforcement agents that anybody
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following this case could identify those guys yeah you're right Captain we have superintendent of the Indiana State
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Police Douglas Carter and the Carroll County Sheriff Co lesby who have kind of become the face of this investigation or
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the faces of this investigation I think I have that answer but I want to kind of
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finish what I was talking about in regards to this tip and and where I think there was a bit of a misstep
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because right I want to give them praise because I think giving the public what they consider to be
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reminding them we want specific information here and almost giving the public a template this is what we're
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looking for can you fill out as much of this template as possible when submitting your tip this will be most
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helpful to us the thing that I think they missed here was what the FBI was telling us in the early stages of of the
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investigation because remember I know it was your feeling it was my feeling and I
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think it was the feeling of everyone in Deli and across this greatest of Nations
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that we thought that an arrest was coming really quickly when this case broke mhm and we had the FBI upfront and
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Center telling us the public do you know somebody that is behaving differently today than they
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were behaving on February 12th or February 13th of 2017 has this person changed have is their personality
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different are they angry or sad or suicidal are they not speaking to anyone or have they developed a drinking issue
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or a drug issue appear change their appearance and the one I thing that I think is the most important thing that
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the FBI was asking us was we want to hear from you if you know somebody that was supposed to be somewhere on February
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13th and didn't show up maybe they called off work maybe they had a doctor's appointment that they missed or
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maybe they told you that they were going to the dentist but later you found out they never did or never even an
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appointment maybe they told you they were going out of town for work was there somebody that you knew that left
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abruptly on the 14th or the 15th of February that's one thing that I think is is needs to be thrown out there as a
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reminder to the public and I think they should attach that to their little template that they've given us now I
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know that I'm saying that and we're discussing this case and it's almost five years later so who knows but but
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hold on a second they're also not telling us that this guy is even connected to the deli murders could you
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add that to what they're already telling us last week I I think one of the things
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that they did which was a good thing even though media the next day said hey we we know who this individual is or at
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least who we think created this account I thought one of the things they did well is we're looking for anybody who
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who has had contact with this profile and did they to meet up with you do you know any because it could be multiple
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people that use that profile right but the answer your first question here we have uh Sheriff Tobe lesen be told the
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Carol County comment on Tuesday that he would not deviate from the press release
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information this is the request from the Indiana State Police he said the reason
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the press release came from the Indiana State Police to answer your question why
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didn't come from to lesen be and the sheriff's department he says it's simply because that that agency has the most
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media resources available in the state of Indiana to lesby denied that the case is now an Indiana State Police case he
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said it continues to be a multi-agency case in Carroll County he said the information requested in the press
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release could be information that would help to potentially move forward with the investigation and he's referencing
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Libyan aby's case right in regard to Sergeant Jeremy Pier delivering this message to the public I think that part
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of it pretty simple you know we have the words from to lesen to give his response
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or his answer to why it didn't come from him right but the Indiana State Police has always kind of been
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the the focal point right Doug Carter has always kind of been the the the face and The Voice that you think of when you
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think of law enforcement being involved in this case and so as far as Jeremy Pierce being the one to deliver that
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information I mean look at his title he's the public information officer for the Lafayette post well he probably has
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some training with the media I mean he delivered the message very clearly and look at how the case was handled early
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on in the very early stages the information that was coming out or the the person Fielding the questions was um
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Sergeant Kim Riley before we started seeing Doug Carter all the time and Sergeant Kim Riley his title was public
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information officer so it's actually coming from the what is likely the most appropriate person to deliver the
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information one thing that is a little tricky is that it's coming from the Lafayette post right so it's coming from
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that specific post they have posts all over the state of of Indiana they could have chose any of them I guess but I
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thought that Sergeant Jeremy Pierce did a great job on his clear and concise delivery of the information that we
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needed to know that they they believe that we need to know and asking and requesting for information in return but
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this makes it to me a lot more confusing of a case because again they they make the statement were looking for people or
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looking for anybody that had contact with the social media profile any information on this
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individual the next day the media is telling you well we know who the individual is well so then it makes you
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question why didn't they just come out and say we know that this guy created the account we know that kleene Keegan
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Klein created the account we know that he used the account but we need more information about him or maybe other
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individuals that use the account okay so you might be getting ahead of some of the people here so let's let's fill them
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in a little bit what we have here is that a a late release that came out Tuesday of last week stated that uh
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Lafayette court documents obtained by WLFI TV news 18 this ISS news 18 I've seen News 13 as being the one to break
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this end of the case but that's another argument for another day revealed The Man Behind the account according to
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their account child pornography charges filed in 2020 suggests that it is 27-year-old Keegan kleene Keegan Anthony
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kleene kleene was charged last year with 30 counts I'm sorry with 30 felonies pending in Miami County the heavily
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redacted court documents make no mention of the deli case although they note FBI
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made contact with kleene while working another Indiana State Police case Klein has not been arrested or charged in
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connection to the deli investigation and since we have those court records can you go over the list of charges against
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kleene Klein is being charged with child solicitation child exploitation possession of child pornography child
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exploitation child exploitation possession of child pornography synthetic identity deception and
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obstruction of Justice one thing I want to make sure that I address before we move on too far here Captain I get
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contacted all the time from people that say and I don't I don't want to sound like I'm annoyed I just want to make
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sure that I'm kind of clearing the way for our discussion as we have it and I apologize to you those of you that are
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not comfortable with the terminology of child pornography I get contacted all the time and and this is a healthy
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reminder I think this is a healthy reminder that words do matter and people get concerned and say Nick could you
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please stop saying child pornography because it implies that the child is willingly participating in whatever is
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depicted in those images or or the video or what have you we use that terminology
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here in the garage because as you just heard that is the legal terminology that this man if we can call him that will be
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charged with yeah we can call a [ __ ] bag so for the sake of keeping the show moving along we use that terminology and
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we I I want to point out that I I feel like the general understanding should be as it's understood by the law a child
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doesn't have the ability to legally consent to whatever was depicted in those images or those videos we've
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decided as a society that that's not appropriate and that that is illegal and that that child is probably doing
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something that they do not want to participate in that they are being forced to do it we've decided that they
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are too young to mentally and emotionally consent to any of that so I don't think that anybody here in the
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garage believes that these children are agreeing to do whatever that they are forced to do again it's just the
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terminology that's used in the the legal realm if you will and so for for U to keep things moving along will continue
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to use that that terminology you had said why not Doug Carter and you know he's kind of become
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the super cop in the the deli case he's the one that is obviously very emotional
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and very emotionally invested in this case that seems obvious to me I wonder Captain if that was either
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decided specifically to make sure that the whole world didn't get thrown into a tail
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spin we cannot say we cannot sit here and say if we and when I say we I mean the whole the public in whole is the
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public overreacting to this request for information we won't know that until they solved the deli case it could be
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that we are in fact overreacting and maybe ISP was fearful of an overreaction by the public and so they chose not to
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put Doug Carter's face voice on this request for the information as far as what they are requesting again you're
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very smart to be pointing out it's a little convoluted right captain that it's confusing what they are requesting
00:28:41
from us because it seems like well they already knew yeah who was behind the Anthony unor shots profile or at least
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who created it or at least who created it and who was using it for Dirty Deeds but yet they're asking us for
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information about the Creator about the profile itself I think what's interesting there what's really
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interesting to me there is that they they have not had to say that this guy is a suspect or isn't a suspect in the
00:29:12
deli case they haven't had to tell us yes we knew who was doing this until presented with that information and
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confronted with that information they're simply saying I think they're leaving the door open right we want information
00:29:26
about this profile what it was being used for who was using it and and what who they were interacting with and why
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yeah not necessarily saying we want to know who Keegan Anthony Klein was interacting with they're leaving the
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door open to being a possibility that maybe other people were using this profile or a similar profile
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yeah in the last few days I've been doing a lot of research on the dark web and this seems like a very common thing
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where some somebody creates a social media account gets all the pictures and information and then sells that to you
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and already has made contact with women or girls and has already got them to start sending videos or pictures the
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other thing too we need to keep in mind is they they being law enforcement are probably very concerned that they don't
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know every Avenue and out let that kleene used this profile for right so you want to keep that door open they
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need information they're not going to limit they're not going to say hey we're only we only want this or that or the
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other thing they they want the floodgates to come open with information to them about this Anthony shot's
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profile and you're exactly right Captain you are exactly right crime is just like
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anything else on this Big Blue Marble right if some guy's got a really good golf swing and he can drive the ball 300
00:31:01
yards and he's shooting under par every day of his life well guess what doesn't everybody in their brothers try to
00:31:08
emulate that golf swing just like criminals do they sit back and they see what works and what doesn't work and the
00:31:17
things that don't work or get people caught those are the things that they avoid and the things that work whether
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it be stealing money embezzling money whatever or finding a victim to get nude pictures or or a murder victim or what
00:31:33
have you what works that's what they go for they they will copycat what works and they will avoid what they've seen
00:31:41
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00:34:20
difficult time to be missing loved ones especially when they've never gotten Justice that's the case in Deli for the
00:34:27
families of Libby German and Abby Williams but tonight Libby's grandfather does have some Hope from that new
00:34:34
potential lead a fake social media profile State Police are trying to learn more about right now our Emily Long
00:34:40
Necker talked with him about his wish for justice this Christmas it's heavy heavy to carry it
00:34:47
around this long knowing that somebody's done this and they're still out there for nearly 5 years Mike Patty has
00:34:53
carried the weight of not knowing who killed his granddaughter Libby German and her friend Abby Williams on a nature
00:34:59
trail in Deli in February 2017 nobody had a right to do that you know what I mean they two innocent you girls
00:35:10
lives had no right you had no right to do that this is the man police say murdered the girls sometime after Libby
00:35:17
captured him on video using her cell phone and also recording his voice now nearly 5 years later with
00:35:26
Christmas just weeks away Patty thinks about how different the holidays are without his granddaughter what do you do
00:35:32
for Libby you know what I mean what do we do do you put out stocking I mean you know mean would you do a set a place at
00:35:39
the table this year Patty hopes there is something the public can do for liby and
00:35:43
Abbey now that investigators have asked for help Indiana State Police want to hear from anyone who may have had
00:35:49
contact via social media with the profile name Anthony uncore shots investigators say the profile is
00:35:55
connected to the selfi investigation it's another step in the case you know and and I think it is it is a big one
00:36:02
patty says he hasn't read the court documents out of Miami County linking the profile name to this man Keegan
00:36:08
Anthony kleene Klein is in jail right now awaiting trial on a separate case involving multiple charges involving
00:36:15
child exploitation and possession of child porn investigators haven't named Klein as a suspect or even a person of
00:36:22
interest in the murders of Abby and Libby court documents show investigators search client Peru home 11 days after
00:36:28
the girls bodies were found in those same documents police alleged client created the Anthony shot's account 6
00:36:34
months prior to the girl's disappearance telling police he made the account to contact girls some under 16 Mike Patty
00:36:41
says he doesn't recognize Klein's name or know whether his granddaughter had any contact with him via social media
00:36:47
but says he warned Libby about strangers reaching out on the internet because I discussed so many things in in relation
00:36:54
to safety and just being uh you know cautious of your surroundings at all times Mike Patty says it's his
00:37:00
understanding tips have been coming in since Monday night when investigators asked for new information he's praying
00:37:06
one of those tips can eventually lead to charges against the person responsible for Libby and aby's murders and we're
00:37:13
going to push forward and we're going to drive hard to to get Justice you know it's what I'm focused
00:37:22
on now we asked State Police today if investigators have received any new calls or tips about the Anthony shot
00:37:29
social media profile that they asked us to share with you but State Police said they could not answer our question now
00:37:36
the reward for information leading to an arrest in the deli murders now stands at
00:37:42
$350,000 if you can help email the Abby and Libby tip line you see here on your screen you can also find it on our
00:37:48
website tonight wthr.com now Keegan Anthony Klein the man who court documents say ran the Anthony
00:37:56
shot's profile is not charged in the deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German but he is in jail right now on charges
00:38:04
for crimes against children police right now are trying to figure out if there's
00:38:08
any connection to the deli murders our Rich NY hit the road to retrace exactly what led police
00:38:16
decline in February 2017 11 days after the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were found police served a search
00:38:25
warrant at this house in Peru where Keegan kleene lived with his father court records say Klein created
00:38:31
the Anthony shots fake social media profile to meet underage girls police allegedly found sexually explicit images
00:38:39
of underage girls on multiple electronic devices kleene was not arrested until August 2020 at his girlfriend's
00:38:47
apartment in cooko he faces 30 felony charges involving child pornography but no charges in the deli murders Keegan
00:38:55
Klein was booked booked into the Miami County Jail on August 19th 2020 so he's been here for well over a year now he'd
00:39:03
have to come up with $26,500 in cash to get out on bail before his trial so again to be clear there is
00:39:12
nothing from police that connects Abby and Libby to that man but the only thing that is clear investigators really want
00:39:18
to hear more from anyone who's communicated with that account we have a full timeline of events here backgrounds
00:39:25
on the killings and remember those sketches that police have released as well all tonight on wthr.com so we
00:39:32
started to touch on this Captain before the break there and we mentioned this Keegan Anthony Klein individual and he's
00:39:38
been directly tied to the Anthony underscore shots profile or at least one of those profiles that was being used we
00:39:47
know that he's not been directly connected to the Libyan Abbey murder investigation other than we have ISP
00:39:57
telling us that during the course of that investigation they then latched onto this Anthony shot's thing which led
00:40:05
them to Keegan Anthony kleene you want to talk about a an emotional roller coaster here right what was your initial
00:40:15
reaction on that Monday night when we hear police are looking for information and it's somehow tied to the deli case
00:40:25
well at first I thought well here's some new information that we haven't heard and if you connect this with what they
00:40:30
were stating in 2019 if these are connected this could be something and then when you find out
00:40:39
that once you figure out that multiple family members of the victims talk to press and say look we're hopeful this is
00:40:46
something and Kelsey which is pretty reserved in the information that she shares online was posting this all over
00:40:54
social media really made me feel feel like okay now maybe we're taking a step in the right direction Kelsey is Libby's
00:41:01
older sister and you're right she doesn't have like this sort of knee-jerk reaction to anytime there's some creep
00:41:09
that's been arrested in Indiana or some unfortunate murder takes place and they've made an arrest there she doesn't
00:41:16
do that you're right she she kind of sits back and lets the information take direct her reaction I believe so well I
00:41:24
believe the family members are in close contact with law enforcement and I think
00:41:30
that's another reason again that's me assuming that they're sharing this information because that maybe they know
00:41:37
more about it from their contact with law enforcement so it very much made me feel like we're heading in the right
00:41:44
direction well and that's something that I wondered about as well Captain because
00:41:48
what I did was I had to go back I felt compelled to go back and watch the April 22nd
00:41:55
2019 press release with the emotional Doug Carter speech followed up with the new
00:42:01
sketch and the additional audio the addition of guys added to down the hill and in that press release at that press
00:42:10
conference ISP is telling us hey please do not reach out media don't reach out to the families of our victims here
00:42:18
because we gave them this new information before we are delivering it to you right now right but we only gave
00:42:25
it to him minutes you know or hours they just heard that this morning and now this is
00:42:33
still new information to them as well so I really wondered that same thing if that same scenario took place in this
00:42:40
situation where hey we're going to send out um a request from the public for information about Anthony shots about an
00:42:48
Anthony shots social media profile and it's going to come out later today I wondered if they reached out in
00:42:56
advance so that they wouldn't be shocked when they saw it and I'm I'm guessing that that that may have happened here
00:43:02
again I I would assume so and you're right it's it's a weird situation because that Monday night dude I went to
00:43:09
bed and I was like I think this is it and and I don't want to to add too much weight to the information that was
00:43:16
coming out but I was still trying to process it but at the very least and I'll be awfully selfish here and go you
00:43:22
know what this gave me some hope I because I was starting to feel I was starting to become Doom and Gloom here
00:43:27
in this case man like we said since 2019 there hasn't been a lick of information
00:43:33
and really all they've stated I think it was a few months back where they stated
00:43:38
we have a blackout to towards media we're not going to share any information so when this comes out you go oh they're
00:43:45
on to something and what my sources were telling me instantly was this is not the
00:43:51
last of this information to come out and there'd be more information in the following week
00:43:56
well then the next day when the media is telling you they already know who this individual is and he's already been
00:44:05
arrested to me that was like you know it's deflating a punch in the gut yeah it's deflating because I went to bed
00:44:13
Monday night going all right well here we have something this this is something that they're going to receive a wealth
00:44:19
of information from the public about and this is going to create new leads it's going to give him new a new breadcrumb
00:44:27
Trail probably multiple breadcrumb trails and it could lead to bridge guy and then yeah the the news on Tuesday
00:44:36
saying we find out well they already know who this guy is one thing you kind of Wonder Don't You kind of Wonder is
00:44:42
there is there a chance that the Indiana State Police puts out this information with the idea that they don't know I
00:44:52
mean they don't say we don't know who who is responsible for this they simply throw it out to the public we need
00:44:58
information about Anthony shots profiles and kind of leave it open-ended and then
00:45:04
maybe do they leak purposely leak to somebody cuz I have a hard time believing that that some news station
00:45:11
just just stumbled on it or knew the right place to look I guess I guess maybe it wouldn't be that that terribly
00:45:18
difficult if you started to really review what they were doing in the very early processes of their investigation
00:45:24
the murder investigation well their knowledge of the warrants that they were that they were uh filing and and
00:45:31
carrying out yeah the knowledge again a a good journalist has extensive knowledge in case files and for them to
00:45:40
have also contacts too I mean they might have somebody at the courthouse going hey you know this is connected to a case
00:45:48
or this this announcement is connected to this case that's already ongoing I mean look one we're holding this
00:45:54
individual for quite a a long time before a trial takes place my thing was if you connect it
00:46:01
with the information we already know and and you have to then assume that it's somehow connected that this cin
00:46:08
character is connected to Deli then to me it's it's either a a to a crime A to B crime or a to like Z crime and what I
00:46:17
mean by that is we know that client was using these profiles is there a connection to the profile when client
00:46:25
was using it to the victims some people say yes uh there is some information online about that I I'll share these
00:46:34
pictures with you in a second to get your opinions on them but the other thought was well maybe he had access to
00:46:43
the profiles he was setting them up he was using them and somebody like possibly his father then took these and
00:46:50
used them to try to lure Abby and Libby to the park the other thing too here Captain is the situation where it may be
00:46:59
an unknown individual was using a similar profile that was either set up or or the creative end of it was
00:47:08
inspired by an already established profile that seemed to be working Anthony shots and when I say working it
00:47:16
means what he set it up to do get nude photos of underage girls and videos and and that sort of thing it was working
00:47:24
because it was it was getting what he set out to achieve a lot of times these guys are
00:47:32
sharing images and and files electronic files with one another and and trading them some of them almost collecting them
00:47:42
and was this something that he could have inspired someone else to do or somebody saw this thing working and
00:47:49
thought you know what I'm going to copycat that yeah that's the other thing too is sometimes you you see a profile
00:47:57
we've seen this on MTV's Catfish where somebody sets up a profile Anthony shots and then somebody else sees that profile
00:48:05
and says well look here's all this information I can take this and set up my own one because one of the things
00:48:13
that I saw in documents is I've seen Anthony unor shots and I've also seen Anthony unor shot without the S and I
00:48:23
don't know if that is just a typo or if there was multiple accounts so then we have again somebody could have
00:48:32
took this profile took this idea and used it themselves and then that would have nothing to do with Klein but like I
00:48:39
said this deep dive that I've been doing the last week into the dark web it seems
00:48:44
like this is something that goes on a lot more than you would expect and the way they do it is a couple ways I set up
00:48:52
this account I start getting these conversations going with different groups of underage girls or underage
00:49:00
boys and then I give you access so now you can have conversations with them you could try to meet them up if you wanted
00:49:07
to or I just you pay for Access and now the account is yours so that opens up a whole web of who it could be but it
00:49:20
seems to me like like I said we've been covering so many cases is I know little to nothing
00:49:28
about this world but what they're stating in a lot of the research I've done is well guys that do this stuff
00:49:35
guys that are they're into the dark web guys that are into using the internet in
00:49:41
a various ways they kind of they all kind of find each other it's kind of like you you know the guys that play
00:49:48
Fantasy Football they somehow are friends with a lot of other guys that play fanty
00:49:54
football just like music is a a passion a hobby whatever A lot of my friends are
00:50:00
musicians so same thing these scumbags they they find each other yeah and it could be very it could be just as simple
00:50:09
as they can see online people interacting with one another and go you know what that could be a fake profile
00:50:16
and that is definitely an underage person that's communicating with them it's just like a bomb maker right nobody
00:50:24
is born into this world knowing how to make a bomb but what you do is if you want to take on that dirty deed as a
00:50:33
hobby well you learn and you hone that skill and you learn how to make better bombs more sophisticated bombs more
00:50:40
undetectable bombs and so on and so forth and you you learn that skill and this can be the same situation where Anthony
00:50:51
underscore shots and it might be annoying to hear me keep saying underscore but as you pointed out you've
00:50:56
seen Anthony shot at times I've also seen Anthony shots with no underscore right and I kind of annoyingly keep
00:51:06
saying that because that is specifically what the Indiana State Police is asking
00:51:12
for so you may have a situation here where you take any you take any uh manufacturing situation or or creative
00:51:24
situation some people are better at certain task and certain have different abilities than others right so could you
00:51:31
have a situation where somebody is really good at setting up creating a fictitious account but another
00:51:40
individual another unfortunately like-minded individual might not be very good at setting them up but is really
00:51:48
good at doing the communication part the back and forth of uh talking and tricking these people into getting what
00:51:56
they want from them well yeah and just because you post a couple pictures of your cars online and just CU you not
00:52:04
your cars but cars that you're claiming are yours houses that you claim are yours or pictures that you claim are of
00:52:13
you that doesn't mean that you're going to be able to carry on a conversation but I would also say in this day and age
00:52:20
which I I do believe is pretty sad is we've gotten into a situation where it doesn't take a lot of
00:52:29
conversation or a lot of getting to know somebody before people start exchanging
00:52:34
these types of pictures uh now what I sent you through your phone which I don't know if you see this this is a
00:52:40
post that Libby posted and was liked by this Anthony shots account now the screenshot I have next to Anthony shot's
00:52:53
account normally it would say follow but this one says requested so I'm guessing
00:52:59
whoever got this information and posted online requested to follow Anthony shots
00:53:06
online and I think it was that Monday when the information came out some of my sources were saying that if you went and
00:53:14
found these accounts online whether it was through I believe it mainly through Instagram where the number of followers
00:53:23
was changing so sometimes increasing times decreasing almost meaning that somebody was using the account either to
00:53:32
add people or to delete people but there was definitely people that once they heard this information they tried to
00:53:39
find these accounts and then tried to request to follow them so they could get more information from the profile well
00:53:45
and one of the people that reached out to me almost immediately and this was first thing Tuesday a.m. after this is
00:53:53
while we're still waiting we've just heard that police are looking for information on Anthony shots we don't
00:53:59
have any of the Keegan Anthony Klein information at this time when I when I first get this message but it came from
00:54:06
Melissa Lee the host of the victimology podcast who had the deli discussion with
00:54:13
us here in episode 395 on True Crime garage Deli murders discussion was the title of that episode and she reached
00:54:22
out and said hey what do you make of this this new information and and what the police are requesting and we traded
00:54:28
some uh of our reactions and and shared our reactions and some of our thoughts there but she pointed out to me and yes
00:54:36
I did receive your your your picture here captain and I'm looking at it I'm I'm not the best to make heads or tails
00:54:43
out of these sort of things for Social Media stuff but uh she passed along something to me and one thing that she
00:54:50
has done really well in her research of the deli case over the years is she's very good at at collecting information
00:54:58
and saving certain things along the way so one thing that she saved is a this is a Facebook post from uh from a
00:55:09
Facebook group in 2017 that Melissa says it's pretty strange it's on par with what detectives
00:55:15
are asking for now see below and she sent me a picture of it and it says uh Liberty German and Abigail Williams case
00:55:26
discussion and a person on there I'll I'll leave their name out of it on February 26th of
00:55:33
2017 posted to the group okay I'm weirded out this is probably just a sign that I'm paying too much attention to
00:55:41
this case but I went to Liberty's Instagram yesterday and noticed that a really strikingly attractive teenager
00:55:51
had liked a couple of her posts I I back searched his profile and it was of an old photo of a male model not a real
00:56:01
person as he was claiming to be but he claimed to have just moved to Lafayette his profile was private and a typical
00:56:10
fishing profile but he only had 50 followers today the likes from him are gone and either his name is changed or
00:56:20
his or sorry he deleted his profile and this poster goes on to say I'm sure the FBI has already read all of their
00:56:30
social networking interactions but I just really wish I'd saved his profile name or emailed it to the sheriff so
00:56:39
that was really interesting to see that was something that she collected back from
00:56:45
2017 the other thing I would like to discuss and I don't see a lot of people discussing it online in the discussion
00:56:54
rooms and all that stuff is when law enforcement came out and said hey look that we want information of this profile
00:57:03
they posted a lot of pictures of this basically fake it's it's a it's a they know it's a known male model
00:57:14
profile that somebody was taking the the pictures from that profile and then using them for the Anthony shots account
00:57:23
but what was also interesting in that group of pictures that they shared now I don't know if they're just
00:57:29
sharing every single picture that was on that profile or has been linked to that
00:57:34
profile but there's again a handful of this male model some where he has a shirt on sometimes he has his shirt off
00:57:44
and then there's other pictures some being of sports cars and then one picture of being money now the reason
00:57:53
why I bring up these pictures is because I don't find it odd that they shared them but I think maybe they shared them
00:58:00
because they're like is there something we missing from these pictures meaning I
00:58:06
can have a pro fake profile and let's say my fake profile I'm using AC Slater as my
00:58:16
pictures but if I take a picture of my stack of money I can still post that if I take a
00:58:24
picture of a a real sports car that I'm seeing in real life I can post that so just because the profile is fake
00:58:37
doesn't mean all the pictures are fake right and I wonder if that's why I mean the stack of cash is you know it's a
00:58:46
large sum of money but that doesn't mean it's impossible that it's not coming directly from Klein or whoever's using
00:58:53
this account the other interesting thing is there's a lot of pictures on Klein's
00:58:59
father's Facebook of fancy sports cars so I think that's maybe one of the reasons why they posted those because
00:59:07
some of those pictures actually could be real and then maybe they're wondering does somebody that knows Klein
00:59:15
or knows people in his Circle have they seen these pictures used on other social
00:59:21
media profiles is again I think it's open-ended and that's how you want to leave this thing if you're really okay
00:59:28
so it's kind of it's kind of funny and and please hear the sarcasm in my voice but what we know is that kleene was
00:59:36
using a fake profile to be able to connect with underage girls so he was catfishing them now we have the Indiana
00:59:48
State Police who are openly fishing for information about Klein and this profile
00:59:54
this online profile yeah and so yeah you could certainly have a situation where somebody is using real actual photos I
01:00:03
think what you're doing here though Captain is you got to return to the idea of every time you're asking the public for
01:00:11
information you want it to be very open-ended you don't want to close any doors because you don't want somebody
01:00:19
out there that might hold the key the key information that you're looking for to go you know what
01:00:25
well it's nothing I don't need to report this this is this is nothing it's a waste of their time it's a waste of my
01:00:30
time you're throwing out all the pictures that were associated with this profile because you're hoping to jog
01:00:37
someone's memory right we are told by the Indiana State Police that they know that the profile was being used from
01:00:45
2016 to 2017 well that's a that's a kick in the gut right there that time frame because we know the girls were killed in
01:00:53
2017 and so what they're trying to do with these images that they include in there in their request for information
01:01:04
they're trying to jog someone's memory that maybe maybe they don't remember the Anthony shot's name but maybe one of
01:01:14
these pictures right will will awaken that memory or they'll go well maybe I maybe I did have some interaction with
01:01:23
this person maybe I did or or soand so showed me a picture you know a friend A girlfriend
01:01:31
of mine showed me a picture of somebody she was chatting with online and maybe she's going to forget but now that image
01:01:38
I can talk to her and say well do you still have any of that can we confirm if it was that profile or not the other
01:01:44
thing that's really interesting to me here is just the way that the EV the events have kind of unfolded and we can
01:01:52
get into you know the time time frame of everything later but one thing that's really interesting to me is just given
01:02:00
the fact that we know the profile was used in 2016 and 2017 with the sole purpose of
01:02:08
communicating with underage girls yeah a pedophile right so these underage girls some of them may
01:02:18
be adults by this time in 2021 they may be less afraid or less concerned about coming
01:02:30
forward yeah they're they're adults now and they may feel more comfortable saying you
01:02:36
know we know that that unfortunately rape is one of the most underreported crimes in this country and
01:02:43
every other country out there and a lot of that is because of the the shame and the embarrassment and and all of that
01:02:51
that comes with that type of of crime and so here it's it's it's not the same obviously but it's you know somebody's
01:03:00
been tricked and somebody an underage girl unfortunately probably did something or sent something that they
01:03:06
really regret and that they would be afraid to come forward with when they're 13 14 15 years old because of you know
01:03:15
Mom and Dad might get upset or this could embarrass my family or this could ruin my chances of getting into to a
01:03:21
good college I mean you it can go on and on and on the reasons why not to come forward but now that somebody has
01:03:29
matured a little bit and they're a little bit older maybe they'll feel a little more uh comfortable uh coming
01:03:35
forward and and also please know that this regardless of what they tell us this does have direct implications in
01:03:45
the Libyan Abbey murder investigation whether at the end of the day Klein is tied to it or not whether at the end of
01:03:52
the day the Anthony shots profile files tied to it or not it does have direct implications because we've said it on
01:03:59
this show how many shows have we done Captain 530 some so we've probably said it on the show 530 some times in these
01:04:09
investigations we are obviously are always looking for the person who committed the crime but along the way it
01:04:17
is also very helpful to be checking off and Crossing off and exing out names of people that did not Comm the
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