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lamb after the Vancouver woman went missing in Los Angeles last month yesterday police found her body in a
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hotel water tank that's just raised even more questions it stretches believability
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that a young Canadian tourist could accidentally end up dead inside a water tank at the top of an LA hotel and yet
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very little makes sense about the strange disappearance and death of Al Lisa lamb I just feel so bad for her
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parents the investigators have to be flumix I this because if it is Foul Play you know why did she act so odd the last
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footage of her in the hotel elevator is perplexing why did she press all the buttons was she talking to someone was
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she trying to hide coroner Ed winter says perhaps the autopsy will provide some Clues we are conducting an
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investigation into the death of Miss lamb the autop is scheduled for tomorrow either she met with Foul Play or somehow
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the 21-year-old would have had to have gotten through lock doors onto the roof avoided tripping in alarm and then
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climbed up inside the water tank the hotel itself has not made a statement but it did send guests this letter
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telling them to check out immediately which this British tourist did but not before she drank the hotel water for 8
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days and the water for first two seconds or 3 seconds would was coming black and
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then after a while we would drink it but it had strange funny sweet tastes it's disgusting utterly horrible surely that
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will add to the notoriety of the Cecil Hotel it was already on tour operator Kim Cooper's crime tour of La thanks
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mostly to the infamous nightstalker serial killer Richard Ramirez who killed 14 people and during his spree when he
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was doing a lot of home invasions for satanic purposes he was actually staying as a resident of the sea Sal up on the
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14th floor more relevant to Lamb's cases why was she staying in a hotel in such a
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dodgy part of La here in Vancouver it was difficult to find anyone who knew her well no one could explain why she
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went on a California Holiday by herself or what her State of Mind was when she [Music]
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left tonight we are covering The Disappearance and mysterious death of a young woman named Alisa lamb this was a
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that still is a very popular case I know that sometimes we cover very popular cases and we have also got a bit of a
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we chose this case for tonight's show Alisa lamb is one of our most requested shows by far it I mean it's up there
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with Jean Benet Ramsey Brandon Lawson and a couple of others that I won't mention because we will be covering them
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the business at all well as we said this case has been on our list for quite some
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time it is it is one of our most requested cases uh since we've been doing the show uh and this is about
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Alisa lamb so January 26 2013 21-year-old Alisa lamb she's recognized as a University of British
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Columbia student uh she was going on an international trip she was calling this her West Coast tour she would be
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traveling to California by herself uh her means of travel she was using public transportation she had traveled by way
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of Amtrak and she was also taking buses as well uh she intended to travel to several California cities before her
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trip concluded she arrives in Los Angeles California on the 26th she then checks into the Cecil hotel which is in
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downtown Los Angeles this is on January 28th she is set to check out February 1st during her travels a regular habit
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that she was doing was she was calling or emailing reaching out to her parents daily to kind of check in and let them
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know that she's doing fine and she's enjoying her trip mhm well the Cecil hotel where Lisa was staying has a has a
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long history as being a place of terrible Happ happenings uh a little bit of a checkered past yeah yeah very
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checkered uh it certainly has a history of suicides and murder um in 1931 the hotel experienced its first suicide um
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after that the hotel would see at least eight or nine more suicides that I could
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find reportings of and a couple of strange deaths as well occurred in its history uh there was certainly a murder
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or two uh before Alisa's stay at the Cecil hotel and this checkered pass really adds to the folklore of the Lisa
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lamb case mhm and I don't want to go through all the the suicides you know the bleakness of that uh there a couple
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of the strange deaths or or possible murders that took place there uh there there's a story of a of a woman who who
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gave birth at the hotel uh she gives birth in in one of the in the bathroom and she threw the newborn baby out the
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window yeah okay look before before you say stuff like this maybe you could give
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warns you that you might hear something terrible that at some point you might talk about a baby being thrown from a
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window well she claimed that the baby was was born uh dead and then they did an investigation and they quickly
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determined they didn't think that that was the same thing but before she could be convicted of of that Murder She was
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ruled to be not competent to stand trial and there was the one suicide where the
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lady jumped out of the window and she actually landed on somebody walking by and killed him as well uh so we a bunch
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of suicides but what I thought was interesting was that there was uh two serial killers that actually stayed at
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the hotel seil yes yeah we have uh Richard Ramirez uh the the famous Night Stalker from
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1985 uh he murdered uh 14 people he did live there during a portion of of uh his
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career let's say as a serial killer but some of this folklore is kind of blown out of proportion don't you think it's
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romanticized a little bit uh because we have the situation uh where Elizabeth Short you know the Black Dalia which
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we've discussed on our show you know there's rumor that that was the last place she stayed at before she was
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killed when actually we can't find any actual record of her having stayed there at all let alone it being the last place
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she was seen or stayed before her death so it does get a little romanticized with Richard Ramirez kind of a similar
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situation he did live there on and off for a period of time but he also lived in like three or four other hotels
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sometimes sleeping in his car he was he he was a guy that moved around quite a bit and he would typically stay at a
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place just for a night or so um depending on how much money he had stolen or or stolen objects that he had
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fenced that day whatever he received as far as cash went right right and I think
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think a lot of people would go well how can somebody afford to stay at a hotel well this hotel was broke up in like
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sections so like the lower floors were pretty much like a normal Hotel you know a little more pricey and then the top
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floors they kind of used those as like pay by the day type rooms and they also had uh rooms that they used for like
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youth hosts where you can just kind of stay in a collective group you know a bunch of strangers but your room would
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be a lot cheaper and to give you an idea back in the mid 80s when Ramirez would stay there I believe he was typically
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only paying about 14 or $15 a night to stay there which is I mean relatively cheap just because the rooms are cheap
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doesn't mean that there's going to be all these tragic things that happen but I think it's because the hotel Cecil was
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around for so long and it also had 600 rooms yeah and it's a very old hotel it was it was built in
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1924 it opened up shortly after that so it's been been around for a long time and it's in Los Angeles you know a
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popular place to travel to um so you got a high probability of seeing crazy things happen in this area that's for
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sure um and of course you know like in the 1950s that area that street in particular became pretty rundown and it
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became known for drug users and transient lifestyle uh people that were kind of in and out it was a basically a
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seity part of town it's technically in downtown Los Angeles but Los Angeles is a widespread town so as a tourist if you
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go there there's there's just so many different parts you know so if your buddy says well I live downtown then
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it's like yeah but which part of downtown and she could have been staying there for the for the cheap rent or it
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could have just been for the the convenience of being in downtown Los Angeles when she first started off
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staying there she was sharing a room as you had mentioned you can share some rooms right youth host yeah and she
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shared a room with a couple of other people I don't know that I could ever do that or feel comfortable doing that um
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but that's what she did and after a couple days through complaints by these other people she's eventually moved to
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her own room do you have any idea what these complaints were I would love to know specifically what they were but
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we're hearing these third hand you know you're hearing these from from the hotel
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workers that this was reported to and so basically what is explained to them is that she was behaving strangely or that
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they found her to be weird or acting odd and these people didn't want to share a
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room with her anymore so not not a great detailed description of how she was behaving or things she was doing or
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saying just that they didn't feel comfortable sharing a room with her and you mentioned earlier that she's
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recognized as a student yes she's recognized as a University of British Columbia student however technically at
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this point in time in 2013 she was not taking any classes she was basically kind of on a break from
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school um she had mentioned to people that uh she had to drop classes because of her disorders uh that she was
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relapsing and that this caused her not to be able to go to school this is actually a really hard case to cover
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because of the misinformation that's out there yeah yeah the the the crazy thing
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Captain is that this is such a widely reported story you think it would be easy to come up with information M the
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problem being is that most of the reporting on this case are these kind of smaller web you know internet-based news
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uh websites kind kind of clickbait stuff yeah and a lot of them have an agenda some of them want to discuss paranormal
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activity or they want to talk about psychics and things like this and and and things that aren't really true crime
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uh so to speak even though we've had some psychics on or we've talked about some psychic stuff we don't know how
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much we actually believe in that stuff I I find it fascinating I just don't know
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anything about it um but you know if you were to If This Were to be an Unsolved Mysteries type show uh this would be you
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know when you see that they play the creepy music and it says unexplained death that's what this case would be
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it's it's an unexplained death it's a it's a girl that unfortunately was out on her own she disappeared and and then
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we have this weird unexplained death afterwards right and like you said this is you know you're a true crime dork so
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this doesn't really fall in your wheelhouse of not at all you know and but let's go let's talk a little bit
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about her mental state I mean like we said that she was diagnosed bipolar uh I have some experience with this uh being
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diagnosed bipolar is a very tough thing for a therapist to do uh they can treat you as bipolar and basically it takes
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years and years and years but there's no like blood test they can't take your blood and run it through some system and
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say oh we know for a fact that you have bipolar and we're going to treat you as such now her list of medications that
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she's on they pretty extensive yeah she's on four different uh types of prescriptions and it looks that she had
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filled the those prescriptions on January 11th of 2013 so just a few weeks before her trip MH uh and she was found
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her possessions that were found contained a lot of those prescriptions and if you look through this list some
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of the stuff is kind of odd because it tells you the number of pills that were issued to her MH but it also says the
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number that was remaining in her possessions uh once they found the possessions the weird thing is that when
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she had the prescription filled she had leftovers right of other prescriptions so we don't know how many that we know
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how many that were were issued but we don't know how many she had remaining so like for example one of the pills it was
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a mood stabilizer I I'm not going to try to even pronounce what it is oh this isn't the fun part of the show where you
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and I butcher these uh yeah we could I I don't even know if we should attempt it
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I think we we looked them up and and just to go over one of the things was a mood stabilizer she was issued 60 pills
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and the number remaining was 70 mhm so obviously higher so we should just assume that she had more so it's just
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really tough to know cuz we don't know how many she had prior to this right so we don't know if she was actually taking
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the medication and the prescriptions were basically uh there was one for ADHD uh a mood stabilizer yeah it was
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well the ADH medicine is very similar to like um at a RW okay there was a mood stabilizer as well as an
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anti-depressant uh and she did have some over-the-counter drugs in her possession
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as well these being things like Advil sinut tab um and they found along with her possessions they found a pill cutter
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two pill cases one divided pill case five prescription receipts and a personal Med medication history right so
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with the Aderall or the ADH medicine you know basically to stay focused she had a
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medicine to stay focused the other with the anti-depressants and again I'm not a
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doctor I'm just going off my own experience um the anti-depressant is to bring your mood up higher MH right to
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kind of get your Baseline to be above depression right and then the mood stabilizer is kind of like a compressor
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it takes all your lows and makes them higher but it also takes all your highs and makes them lower so it it Tres to
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keep you right in that middle The Sweet Spot a lot of people that take a mood stabilizer will have almost a zombie
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effect sometimes um and that's something that as you're getting on this medicine
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you have to kind of adapt and kind of see how your body reacts to different kinds because obviously you don't want
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to go through your life you know especially like let's say they put you on lithium you know some people can are
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on lithium and they just fill like they're in a fog and just nothing matters mhm yeah and people have poured
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through these this information and looked through it and tried to decipher you know judging by the number of pills
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issued judging by the number of pills remaining was she overdoing it was she not taking what she was prescribed it's
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you really can't tell because we don't know there was nobody traveling with her there's nobody to back up if she was
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staying on schedule with these Med medications yeah and and I want to be very very clear about this I mean mental
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health issues are something that I think this country needs to talk more openly about M and so in doing so back in
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2012 uh I was actually being treated uh for well it was it was kind of a messed up situation but one of the things was I
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was having a lot of depression almost I would categorized it as maybe severe depression um instantly they started
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treating me for bipolar MH so they put me on an anti-depressant and they put me on a mood
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stabilizer and this was without any therapy at all so wait this is a physician you you know you go to a
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regular doctor and you're getting kind of diagnosed with this and but but ultimately treated for this yeah well I
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mean not to go into it too much and just uh I mean we've talked in the past about
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mental health and we I always get these comments oh you know thanks for bringing
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this up and it's so important and well it's important to me because I mean I was I was suicidal so I was that's all I
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could think about and it wasn't that I was actually wasn't to the point where I thought I was going to try to end my
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life it was just everything was so Bleak and it just felt like I couldn't get out
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of this depression I was in and so I actually TR uh went to like um uh net care I think it's what it's called and
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you I met with the therapist there and they kind of assessed me sent me to my physician and boom I'm on on an
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anti-depressant and on a mood stabilizer okay uh so now you know then I'm going okay well maybe this is going to fix
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everything um it didn't uh and it actually got way worse but in the process I mean for me and I was on this
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stuff on and off this stuff for years and it was it's really you kind of establishing a new
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relationship with yourself so I'd have these pills some days I would take them some days I wouldn't some sometimes it
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would seem like they're working sometimes it seemed like it was making things worse right so a long story short
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you know I'm not a doctor but when looking at this case I'm viewing it as somebody that has been treated myself
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and somebody that has been dealing with some of the same issues that Alisa has been dealing with well or was dealing
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with what that gives me a little insight towards is it's not the you know the mental health and the way that we treat
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it is not the exact same thing as physical health and how we treat that you know if somebody has has high blood
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pressure well we can put you on this medication and it should regulate that blood pressure after X amount of days um
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where with a mental health situation we would you would you disagree with me it's a lot of trial and
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error and and where some things might work for some people they're not going to work for others now we have this
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situation where we have a person out on their own and we cannot figure out is she keeping up with that medication uh
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was she overdoing it underdoing it uh were there other things that that are factoring in well and yeah and was she
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being responsible on that medication I was on a mood stabilizer called Depo um and I was told by I was told by
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some Physicians that if you drink on it I mean it could you could just actually die from it uh then I actually heard
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from my therapist that you know one or two beers wouldn't be that big of a deal yeah I mean cuz think about this way I
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mean you're you know I you know I had a house I'd like to grill out stuff like that and uh what do you want to do when
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you're grilling out have a beer of course you know and so when somebody's saying well if you drink you might die
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um the I had a very negative effect when when I drank I almost would hallucinate
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like I'd get to this almost uh I've never done LSD or anything like that but it was almost to this like trippy State
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and so looking at this case again that makes me question was she taking her drugs properly and and if she was she
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was still having lapses we know that she was having you know some issues because
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of the school stuff MH and then was when she was out on her own maybe she would drink and and how would that affect her
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and it affects everybody differently yeah cuz if you then you know for me I did the research some people that were
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taking Depo would could drink a couple beers and be fine or even drink liquor and be fine and I just found that once I
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took one drink I almost became like a crackhead like as far as like I wanted an all I could think about was getting
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the next drink and then get the next drink and get the next drink well and that that's been the biggest question
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mark for me regarding this case when I first looked at it was I wanted to know how the these these medications would
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affect what's going on with her internally I wanted to know because she is on vacation she's on her West Coast
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tour was she drinking and partying during this time and was she trying to back off of medication to drink or was
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she maintaining that that medication and drinking on top of it and thus having a
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different effect right and that's something we probably will never know uh but let's get right back into the story
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[Music] internet all right we're back everybody Cheers Cheers so we have Alisa lamb who
00:32:23
is out traveling the US she's in California all by herself and we know that she has these uh bipolar disorder
00:32:31
and she's on medication for some different things she checks into the Cecil Hotel she's there for a couple
00:32:37
days she's moved to a room by herself and then on January 31 complaints right um on January 31st Alisa lamb is last
00:32:48
spotted by a hotel worker at the Cecil Hotel uh this would be she's last seen in the lobby of the Cecil Hotel um and
00:32:57
remind you she has been contacting her family up to this point uh this is where the contact stops though mhm on February
00:33:07
1st the following day was the day that that lamb was supposed to check out from the hotel now she did not actually check
00:33:14
out and this is what sparks the the search for Alisa yeah and because she's not contacting her family either her
00:33:23
family's going to fly down to be in LA to help the hotel search for their daughter yeah breaking communication was
00:33:31
something that was that really worried the police as well as her family because one of the things I mean she was in her
00:33:38
early 20s and she's traveling by herself and maybe the parents said hey you can go but you're going to have to be in
00:33:45
constant contact with us right right and you would want to be I mean it's a it's
00:33:50
a foreign land you know it's another country well I wouldn't want to be I'm just traveling I'm probably traveling to
00:33:56
get away from my family uh so the police and the family are working together to try to find Alisa now now think about
00:34:04
this so Captain she could be anywhere she's in this big giant City and in in a big giant hotel first of all so they're
00:34:12
going to have to start their search at the hotel where was she last seen well we know she was last seen in the lobby
00:34:18
and they actually go to her room they search her room and her belongings they do a what what one would consider a
00:34:26
thorough search of the hotel as much as they actually can you have to keep in mind here um this is not yet a situation
00:34:36
where they believe that they they can go and search every room at this hotel we're talking about they have like 600
00:34:43
rooms here right uh and plus you you have all these back hallways you're going to have all these service areas of
00:34:49
the hotels where yeah but they can p this is not an easy search right but they can pull surveillance footage right
00:34:55
away yeah so what what ends up happening is they search her room they they can't
00:35:00
go room to room we have people that are basically living in this hotel some people are staying there for a trip some
00:35:06
people are staying there on an extended stay there are people that have lived in
00:35:10
this hotel for years um they do check all the common areas and they this the search itself provides no leads to the
00:35:19
whereabouts of Alisa it provides also no leads or no hints of Foul Play mhm on February 6th and February 7th of
00:35:29
2013 the LAPD they start to release to the public details about the suspicious disappearance of Alisa lamb uh they hold
00:35:39
a press conference during this time this is when you start to see on on the news
00:35:43
footage as well that they are putting up posters calling for Action they're putting her face out there trying to get
00:35:49
people to you know come forward if they've seen her or know of her whereabouts I know a lot of people
00:35:55
wonder why the heck would uh lipd you know make such a big deal about this girl going missing there's probably a
00:36:02
lot of missing person's cases you know presented to the public during this time but one of the major reasons is it's you
00:36:09
know she is not from the United States right and so that becomes a little bit bigger of a deal and the missing
00:36:15
person's alert that is sent out by LAPD it like I said it includes her picture this is important to LAPD as her family
00:36:24
because there are certain things about this dis appearance that have not been fully released to the public at this
00:36:29
time one of those being that she does have this bipolar disorder um I'm thinking here captain that the
00:36:37
investigators as well as the family are wondering is has this led to her disappearance and therefore we need to
00:36:43
put her picture out there because if if she's if something's happened to maybe she doesn't know where she is right
00:36:50
because she could be in a manic in a manic State and if she's in a manic State then who knows she she is maybe
00:36:57
not capable of getting back or being in contact with them on her own yeah so they the details that they list are
00:37:06
basically you know a general description of her you know a as well as where she was last seen that's at the Cecil Hotel
00:37:13
640 South Main Street in downtown Los Angeles yeah um their their additional information simply just states that
00:37:22
possibly suffers from mild depression mhm they also include where she was traveling from and her means of travel
00:37:29
again that's public transportation using Amtrak and buses you know hoping that maybe if she ended up back using buses
00:37:36
that she would be spotted there as well as stating the cities in which she intends to go to and this leads us up to
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February 14th where the LAPD is going to actually release the surveillance footage the famous surveillance footage
00:37:51
yeah we have this is the very famous surveillance footage this is taken it at 8:31 a.m. on February 1st the day that
00:38:00
she is supposed to be checking out of the hotel now here's what the claim is which is very strange to me Captain is
00:38:08
that we fishy yeah we have the footage that's taking place in the elevator itself but there's no other surveillance
00:38:15
footage to go along with it you know there we don't have footage from the hallways or from any of the other common
00:38:22
spaces in this hotel yeah and nothing from the entrance as well to me I just find that very fishy and obviously we
00:38:29
have lawsuits in this case so you know one could assume that are they hiding these things well you should find it
00:38:38
fishy and I tell you why so the deal is they had other cameras their claim is that these cameras were either not
00:38:46
working or not working to the point that they were recording anything um having a
00:38:52
background in this I can tell you that this would this really what's your back most people wouldn't know okay so I was
00:38:59
a Security administrator for a high-rise building in Downtown Columbus Ohio for several years now mind you the building
00:39:06
that I worked at was built in 1999 so it's very different from a building built and constructed in the 1920s right
00:39:15
right but as technology advances then people put in new cameras and stuff like that yeah we had just to keep things
00:39:21
short we had just under a 100 cameras throughout this building it was it had 27 stores uh 27 floors as well as a
00:39:30
rooftop um we had four elevators it's my understanding that the Cecil hotel has two elevators um we would have had a
00:39:39
camera in any of those common areas meaning any place that you could step off of the elevator there would be a
00:39:46
camera that would go and coincide with one that would be in the elevator as well right now the thing here is we
00:39:52
would conduct you know we would routine Security checks of everything these cameras were being monitored at our
00:40:00
front desk we we had six different monitors uh two of them were scrolling monitors where they would bounce from
00:40:07
camera to camera on the same cycle uh the other four were actual monitors where you could uh pick which camera you
00:40:16
chose to watch right and or a multi- view and you could also move and manipulate those cameras to see certain
00:40:23
things and and point the camera in different directions we were recording on those monitors so
00:40:31
what that means is that if something was not present on the monitor or at that time it was not being recorded okay does
00:40:39
that make sense yeah so we were only recording what was being monitored now I currently work in a different building
00:40:46
that is under a different situation this security system is constantly recording
00:40:52
it's always recording out of every camera whether it's being monitored or not now what it does so that you don't
00:40:59
have millions and millions and hours of recording what it does is it's set up to
00:41:05
detect motion and so it will only save portions of what was recorded by by setting it to like you know 10 seconds
00:41:13
before it sees a motion it will record everything until 10 seconds after it doesn't detect the motion again well
00:41:20
actually maybe we are perfect to diagnose this case because you are a security guard or a Security
00:41:27
administrator yes I was in charge of all of the security and I suffered with a mental illness so I think we're perfect
00:41:34
for this case um so here here's my caveat to everybody listening now while I would be considered an expert on those
00:41:43
two security systems every security system is very different right and I'm guessing that the one at the seil hotel
00:41:50
is probably not much like either of the two more modern security systems that I was running the problems I have that I
00:41:58
see from the get-go are that one I don't believe that this is a hotel that is conducting routine Security checks right
00:42:08
uh because you have faulty equipment and they've decided that having faaly equipment is fine with them that becomes
00:42:15
a budget issue they know that these cameras are not working it's not that something bad happened one day and they
00:42:21
just discovered these cameras aren't working they willingly ran the hotel without these cameras working now did
00:42:28
did they not have the budget to fund this we don't know but but their thought was they were saying was that you know
00:42:33
what we have these cameras the physical camera itself whether it be working or not they're posted in these different
00:42:40
positions so people therefore in the hotel and walking amongst the floors of the hotel believe that they are being
00:42:48
filmed or being watched so they will conduct themselves as appropriately well and they are being watched right so I
00:42:55
mean in the defense of the hotel you have security guards there you have people monitoring the whole hotel it's
00:43:04
you know they don't have any obligation to you know film everything and house everything right you know the their main
00:43:13
job is to prevent anything from happening you know and then and then the second would be if something does happen
00:43:20
to record it but it's just odd to me that we have a recording a famous recording inside that elevator but
00:43:27
nothing outside nothing in the because it would be it would be really interesting to watch this video and
00:43:32
watch it from the inside and the outside because there's times that she steps off
00:43:37
the screen and you kind of can't see what she was she's doing but if if we had footage of inside the lobby would
00:43:44
know what she was doing the thing I wanted to make sure that we pointed out here Captain is that this video footage
00:43:51
uh according to Los Angeles news departments okay it's listed as this footage being taken at 8:31 a.m. on
00:44:01
February 1st the reason why I wanted to be very clear about that is that because every every bit of this footage
00:44:09
that I've seen online the the time stamp is like you cannot see it you cannot tell what time it states on there uh
00:44:17
there's even been people that have reported that you cannot see the time and kind of guessed was it 1: in the
00:44:22
morning you know what at what time did this video footage take place I just wanted to point out that it's
00:44:27
been reported in Los Angeles as 8:31 a.m. now mind you my other caveat there would be we don't know how accurate
00:44:36
we've seen how faulty their security camera system is already we don't know how accurate that time stamp would be
00:44:42
but it gives us something it gives us a bit of a place marker to work around and
00:44:46
there's a lot of speculation that there this tape is actually altered and there I see maybe some evidence of that but
00:44:53
anyways let's just get right into it let's just just do a play byplay of this video all right so I'm starting the
00:45:00
video now it is rolling the door is opening Alisa enters from the left goes she dips down she starts
00:45:11
pushing it looks like every button on the left hand side mhm they all light up she steps back goes to the corner she's
00:45:19
now hanging out in the corner for a little bit and then she's kind of creeping around the side then she jumps out and
00:45:26
she kind of pokes her head to the right to the left now she steps away and now she's against the wall now she goes into
00:45:33
the corner back against the wall like right up against it and then right into the corner now she's stepping around the
00:45:40
corner and she looks out to her right kind of creepy like where where like her body's pretty much in the doorway but
00:45:49
the but she's tilting her head out to look into the hallway and she steps out with her right foot she looks to her
00:45:55
left jumps out she takes a side step back it's it's almost like she's doing the cupid
00:46:04
shuffle or something yeah so she just went to her left and then went back into the elevator and then back out again now
00:46:09
she's in the hallway you can see her right arm but that's about it and right now she's standing where the elevator
00:46:16
buttons would be in the hallway and she's waving something but her back is still against the
00:46:24
wall yeah it looks like her arm is up her right arm is up her back is to us and it looks like she's messing with her
00:46:32
hair yeah now she comes in and she starts pushing all the buttons for her left hand right hand
00:46:40
she's pushing everything twice this is a lot more disturbing than the first time I watched
00:46:47
it this is probably so thrilling for the listeners now she keeps I mean she's just pushing buttons now she steps out
00:46:54
almost uh fixes is her hair but almost like she's kind of distraught like the hell is going on here she's in the
00:47:01
hallway again now she's waving her hands like kind of in yeah very now she almost looks like
00:47:10
she's doing some weird dance move and now she's doing something with her fingers almost like
00:47:18
she's dancing with her fingers this is way more disturbing than the first time I watched it
00:47:28
her arms are up again and now she walks down the hallway yeah you can't see her nothing
00:47:37
just cannot see her at all she doesn't you yeah she's not in frame anymore she doesn't come back into
00:47:51
frame and now the elevator door closes yeah and that that clip you can find it online it's about uh roughly
00:48:03
about four minutes but she's pretty much only in the video for about 3 minutes of
00:48:07
that whole clip well and after the elevator door closes then we see the elevator doing what you exactly would
00:48:14
think it would do it starts going to the floors of the buttons that she has pushed and it's opening on each floor
00:48:21
you can tell that these floors are different because when the door opens each time
00:48:27
the the the decor is slightly different you might see different paint on the walls or a different uh floor tile as it
00:48:33
goes through these different floors all right so this definitely is some creepy footage and if you haven't watched it
00:48:39
you should go do so now and I'll actually probably just take that footage and put it up on our website at true
00:48:46
Crim garage.com um what's your takeaway from this this is the first time we watched
00:48:53
it together yeah so my my initial thoughts um when I when I had watched it by myself the first time seeing it it
00:49:01
looked to me when she goes into the elevator after pressing all the buttons and then she goes right up against the
00:49:08
wall like that's a move that you would do if you were like hiding from somebody yeah and then she furthers that by going
00:49:15
into the corner like maybe the person's getting closer or she's more fearful and
00:49:20
she's hiding even slightly but that's not initially initially she doesn't do that right there's a couple movements
00:49:26
before she goes against the wall and then goes into the corner right right and what I'm saying is she goes in she
00:49:31
presses multiple buttons she looks very relaxed at that point and then until she
00:49:37
goes right up against that wall again my initial thought there was she's hiding from somebody MH but then she kind of
00:49:44
like I don't know if she comes to or what but then she decides to step off of the elevator right now one key thing to
00:49:51
me was the corner that she's hiding in is opposite of where the the buttons for the
00:49:58
elevator call buttons what you would call the call buttons which would be the buttons in the hallway there it's the
00:50:04
opposite side and so to me I I had always wondered you know when she's hiding from somebody your first thought
00:50:11
too is why are these elevator doors not closing immediately you know um I will say that that all elevators do act
00:50:20
differently from one another they're finicky they're extremely finicky um and what you can do on an elevator you can
00:50:28
easily confuse an elevator and what an elevator will do as a security precaution that if you override the
00:50:35
system by hitting a bunch of buttons or hitting things in a weird sequence right
00:50:39
its natural state is to want to to default to a safety mode where therefore keeping the doors open is technically a
00:50:47
safety mode for most elevators being that it allows people to exit if they need to and it prevents the elevator
00:50:55
itself from operating so where where some people might say that well the the building's haunted and the elevator is
00:51:03
not closing because she's running from something that's taking control of the building or taking control of the
00:51:09
elevator I don't think the do not closing you know is any evidence of that I think I think she's in an old elevator
00:51:18
she's given it too many commands and it's just hesitating to close yeah so my stance on par normal
00:51:26
stuff is there's definitely some stuff that I've experienced or some stories I've heard from people that I can't
00:51:32
explain but I wouldn't say that I'm somebody that normally dives into that or believes into that a lot and in this
00:51:38
situation I I don't think there's some Paranormal Activity happening yeah the only time that that the Paranormal
00:51:46
Activity made me question was when she when she's doing those weird hand movements when she's like outside of the
00:51:53
the elevator and you know some people have said it it looks like she's almost casting a spell or you know doing
00:51:59
something like that like you know um that's sorry that's your your spellcasting sound okay um but but to me
00:52:08
it more looks like she it almost looks like somebody talking with their hands a little bit more rather than than casting
00:52:15
a spell right and then then people would wonder is she talking to somebody outside of the elevator
00:52:22
mhm I did have a thought that the reason why the elevator doors might not be closing is that somebody standing
00:52:28
outside in the hallway hitting the call button which would prevent the elevator door from closing however with her
00:52:35
hiding in that particular Corner she would be more visible to that person given the angle of those call buttons
00:52:42
you know what I mean like if that was in fact what was going on yeah my initial takeaway from this and like I said then
00:52:49
watching it back it's like seems a lot creepier than it initially did when I first watch it because when I first
00:52:56
watch it you see her push the buttons all the buttons which is odd and it's like one of the things I
00:53:03
kind of thought was you know uh my family used to stay at like the Holiday Inn you know hotel motel holiday in and
00:53:13
uh it it was about like 30 minutes from our house but for some reason it was like Hey we're going to go stay in a
00:53:19
hotel and we'd get a you know swim in the pool and stuff like that but sometimes when you have other kids
00:53:25
around you'd start playing like tag right but you would be using the elevators and so you jump on the
00:53:31
elevators you push all the buttons so was she playing some you know some elevator game of tag
00:53:39
with somebody but that doesn't seem likely cuz one people booted her out of a room
00:53:45
because she was acting odd uh two she's also a lot older so it doesn't seem like
00:53:51
that's something that she would even be that interested in doing if somebody ask
00:53:56
she's by herself so we we shouldn't you know what I mean you would assume you play an elevator tag game you're doing
00:54:01
that with people that you know um yeah hopefully she's not playing an elevator elevator tag game by herself my my
00:54:08
initial thoughts were that that she was afraid of something she's trying to hide
00:54:13
and then once she gets back into the hallway that she's seeing something that maybe she doesn't think is real and
00:54:20
that's why she's moving her hands in a weird way when I when I take a step back and I and I view it a second time and I
00:54:28
think about I I try to put myself into her sandals right so my thoughts are are a couple things right so if there were
00:54:37
something some entity or some ghost or something that you think that you saw or that you saw and you're afraid of what
00:54:44
would my natural instinct be well in any situation it's going to be fight or flight but if you're seeing something
00:54:51
that you don't know is real or you're seeing something that you're terrified of that that doesn't seem like it should
00:54:56
be real my first thought would be flight to to somewhere where I know people are
00:55:02
right and so being that I wouldn't hop into an elevator and press every button to try to escape a ghost I would go
00:55:10
straight to the lobby where I know there's going to be other people right that would be my initial reaction to the
00:55:16
Paranormal type stuff now if if she's actually afraid of a a real person then the other problem becomes
00:55:25
well why would you push every single button you know it that again doesn't make sense right and I I think what we
00:55:32
have here is first when she's getting on the elevator she she's walking in a very
00:55:37
calm demeanor mhm and then her next handful of actions um are still pretty calm like
00:55:45
she steps to the side you know being polite I'm going to go in this corner the door is not
00:55:51
shutting probably because you pushed every button on the left hand side said the first re the first uh Mo movement
00:55:59
that she makes that is very odd is when she kind of sticks her head out and looks to the right and looks to the left
00:56:05
and that's very odd but maybe she's also just a shy person and she's concerned that she doesn't want to look like a
00:56:11
dummy or maybe she's doing something kind of goofy by pushing all the you know I'm going to go to Every floor just
00:56:18
to go to Every floor maybe she's bored and just trying to find somebody to talk to or and then so she doesn't want to
00:56:25
look dumb but then the next movement was against the wall stays there for a second back against the wall and then
00:56:32
she goes in the corner now a lot of people speculate that's when she's hiding from somebody I would you know if
00:56:38
you have not watched this video I'll just say go watch the video now so I don't I don't want to you know tamper
00:56:43
with anybody's ideas I don't want to put ideas into other people's heads so do that now so my thought is it's pretty
00:56:51
simple she's going against the wall because she's trying trying to have the sense that she's thinking the door's not
00:56:57
shutting because the motion sensor right so I'm going to go against the wall so maybe that the sensor will
00:57:04
close the door and when she goes against the wall it doesn't work so then she goes to the corner okay and then she
00:57:11
walks out again and again she's not rushing she's not running she's very seems pretty
00:57:18
calm and then that's when she starts making those weird Hocus Pocus motions and I can't really explain those a lot
00:57:26
of people say well maybe she was in the club so maybe she was like doing some weird club dance move and I made the
00:57:33
joke that she looked like she's doing the cupid shuffle again those move movements to me
00:57:38
some of them seem like she's trying to trip some sensor even when she starts she's doing the Hocus
00:57:45
po I can't even talk today Hocus Pocus type motions but when she starts doing those within like the doorway of the
00:57:54
elevator to me me that's to trip some kind of sensor right right I agree and that the part that you were describing
00:58:01
earlier which is the part that I think really kind of terrifies people the first time they see it is where we see
00:58:08
her what I would call jump into the hallway uh and the way you described it had people not seen it before might be a
00:58:16
little confusing on how this actually plays out she's making very casual movements up into this point and then
00:58:24
she very quickly throws her right leg her right knee forward and she she doing lunge yeah and she quickly puts her head
00:58:33
down almost at waist level and looks to her right and then very quickly looks to
00:58:39
her left yeah it's kind of like boom boom boom and then she Retreats again into the elevator which which makes it
00:58:45
does make it seem like well she's looking for somebody that might be coming down the hallway on either side M
00:58:52
and she's she's might have been chased to this point to where she she doesn't know fully know where this person could
00:58:58
come from and and then I start questioning though it if there's somebody outside did she meet somebody
00:59:05
while she was in LA uh like we said we she was moved from one room to another so it doesn't seem like she's having a
00:59:13
bunch of communication with other Travelers right um or maybe she was acting odd and there was somebody from
00:59:21
the hotel out there yeah and that's been an argument that people have put forward
00:59:26
that maybe she wouldn't go to you know when I said I would flight to the lobby where I know other people are the
00:59:32
argument would be then be well if she's hiding from somebody that works at the hotel uh that that might not be her
00:59:39
first option she might not want to go to the lobby yeah the thing I see here though Captain is that I don't see while
00:59:47
I see you know some quick movements on her part right I don't really see anybody that appears to be in any hurry
00:59:54
to go anywhere yeah I mean I mean three minutes at least three minutes of the film she's in or around the
01:00:03
elevator I've also go ahead well I was just going to say that it's one of those things every time we dive into a case uh
01:00:10
it always seems like there's one or two things that I wish we had because you know if we had those we'd have more
01:00:18
answers and I really think if we had some kind of footage from the lobby cuz there's so much of the you see her in
01:00:25
frame but you might only see her arm mhm again what is she just doing is she just
01:00:29
standing out there just sitting patiently and maybe she was you know got off the elevator I'm just going to stand
01:00:36
here and the door will eventually close but it didn't so then she jumps back in it's um I don't know she appears to me
01:00:43
to be stalling the elevator that's really what I think when I when when I see her get in and hit every button that
01:00:51
that to me tells me that she's trying to hold up that elevator for some reason and maybe maybe not even just to keep it
01:00:57
at that floor but to stall it from wherever it may be getting called from uh I have heard right but if you're
01:01:04
going to stall it you just go in there and push door open right I wouldn't think that the the lay person would go
01:01:11
in knowing that if I push all the buttons that it's going to stall out the elevator I don't think that was her
01:01:18
intent the the reason why I say that though is I see other evidence of her what I would say
01:01:25
stalling the elevator where where she's using other means of that where where she's standing with her body in the
01:01:32
elevator and peering out into the hallway um that to me is is stopping that door from closing that's that's
01:01:39
keeping that motion sensor alive and it's not allowing the door to close then once she right but that doesn't make any
01:01:45
sense with the the you know the second and third motion of her going against the wall and then going in the corner
01:01:51
that wouldn't be a a um me mechm that you'd use to stall the elevator right no it wouldn't be my first go-to I but what
01:02:00
I'm saying is I see I see three things in that video that look to Me Like Somebody stalling the elevator and and
01:02:08
one is pushing all the buttons and and you're right maybe she doesn't know or most people wouldn't know that that
01:02:15
could potentially stall the elevator two she's obstructing the door from closing
01:02:19
more than once even with those weird hand movements she's she's breaking that that sensor and keeping that door open
01:02:26
even longer and then when we do see her and we know that she's still next to the
01:02:31
elevator when we can see her arm but not her body she's where the call buttons would be in the hallway where one could
01:02:38
push those buttons or hold those buttons down keeping that elevator door open as
01:02:43
well mhm I know that none of them are definitive things of a person trying to stall the elevator I'm just going off of
01:02:51
the fact that I see three what could be a attempts of stalling this elevator well and you you know with your
01:02:57
experience I mean you've watched probably thousands and thousands of hours of surveillance
01:03:03
footage well and having a really good knowledge of of drinking your beer it's Gatorade uh but not having a really good
01:03:13
working knowledge of of the elevators is that what you call beer yeah it's my energy fuel for the show it has your
01:03:19
electrolytes in it I do want to point out something as we're discussing these elevators though again very finicky
01:03:25
machines mhm um you know don't that was my nickname in high school finicky machine don't play on the elevators that
01:03:32
that's not that's not a good thing they will close on you even though they're not supposed to they will behave in
01:03:38
strange ways um I don't want anybody you know nobody needs a Los an arm off a playing elevator tag MH I I feel like
01:03:46
I've given my kind of you know initial thoughts and then a step back and and make another assessment of the video but
01:03:53
I don't think think I got your well well summarize yours so so mine of course the
01:03:59
first initial thoughts was she's hiding from somebody and something strange is is going on then at second look my
01:04:06
thought is that she's stalling the elevator that she's being disruptive to the operations of the hotel for some
01:04:14
reason like kind of a I don't know I I feel like there's a little bit of a of a little like aggressiveness in her that
01:04:23
that she's upset with the hotel or and and and wants to just disturb other people's visit by by holding up the
01:04:31
elevator or making it stop at every floor for no reason you know what I mean it seems like a very childish thing to
01:04:37
do remember remember when you're a kid the first time you stay in well maybe everybody didn't do this but the first
01:04:44
time I remember staying in a high-rise building right I thought it was funny to jump into the elevator press every
01:04:50
single button and then I would jump off of it and not even need to take it anywhere it was just funny to me that I
01:04:55
knew well it's going to stop at every floor and you know that there's somebody on one of those floors going God this
01:05:00
elevator takes forever um you know and then Goa you know but you're 10 and it's funny to you now I'm not I'm not saying
01:05:08
anything still funny now and it's still kind of funny but you see what I mean I I get the feeling like she's being
01:05:14
disruptive for some reason like maybe maybe she's angry that she got moved to another room maybe she's upset with
01:05:20
those other guests thinking well these people are rude and they they they went to the the to the front desk and
01:05:27
complained about me and now I'm in my own room yeah um yeah I mean let's that's the thing I mean she might have
01:05:34
been trying to be friendly with these other Travelers and sometimes you know sometimes people pick on other people
01:05:42
you know what I mean and maybe she was acting a little strange uh sometimes you need to take the strange and the and the
01:05:49
weird cuz sometimes that's a strange and weird can be beautiful and you take those people under your wings and become
01:05:55
friends with them and and I think you know one we should all do a better job of trying to be inclusive to people you
01:06:02
know because people need other people and also you know it goes to the point that you know these Travelers probably
01:06:09
didn't know that she was dealing with something and probably looking back on this now when they go oh yeah we were
01:06:16
the people that complained on her and maybe this wouldn't have happen if we were just more again open to people's
01:06:24
differences and try to be inclusive or just try to be understanding and so I understand that her idea might have
01:06:32
been you know personally to me I'd go I'm in a youth hostile situation where I'm with a bunch of other people and you
01:06:39
want to give me my own room so so these people stay is better to me I'm all for it upgrade my room give me a king-size
01:06:47
bed and you know put a bunch of little liquor bottles in the fridge and U put that on the house and you you feel like
01:06:55
going from being living in a petting zoo to being a fat cat in the sky yeah give
01:06:59
me a I want to be a fat cat in the sky and but maybe it just rubbed her the wrong way you know well and here's one
01:07:06
thing I wondered about that situation Captain so if if you're at the front desk and somebody complains you know we
01:07:12
got this person that's behaving strangely and then your response is going to be yeah you're in a shared room
01:07:19
you know there's all different walks of life in there um you're in a shared room
01:07:23
that's what you for well then a from the same room comes down and complains about
01:07:27
the the same then that person of you're going to that complaint is now Justified
01:07:33
and you're going to move that other person to keep these two people happy I wonder to me I wonder if she wasn't
01:07:39
behaving strangely at all is there a possibility that the two people in the room already that complain about her do
01:07:46
they know one another do were they hoping that oh we'll we'll share room at this discounted rate because we can say
01:07:52
other people can stay here and if they put anybody in here we'll just complain about you and I have flown on Planes
01:07:58
together and what's the thing that we usually do when they have three seats in a row and it's just the two of us you
01:08:03
sit on one side I sit on the other side we leave the middle seat empty and then we give the nasty stare down to
01:08:09
everybody that walks down the aisle so they don't want to sit between two garage dudes mhm and it usually works
01:08:16
yeah or or once they sit down we start complaining about theming right so they have to move them
01:08:22
like can you move this guy being a jerk that's right he's got hairy arms yeah so
01:08:26
well maybe these people were just going hey let's uh let's just complain because
01:08:31
if we complain then we'll just get an upgrade I got I you know I have friends that will get a hotel room and then they
01:08:37
instantly nothing's wrong with it they just call in and go the room doesn't look so clean because they know that
01:08:43
they're going to get an upgrade be a DB just to get the the upgrade for no reason being a jack wagon the old JW old
01:08:51
DB in the JW yeah so I to me Captain I see somebody that looks like they're stalling the elevator for what purpose I
01:08:59
don't know but what it does tell me if I'm right um and not saying that I am but if one's trying to stall the
01:09:07
elevator then that throw that shows me she's not running from something or someone that doesn't make a lot of sense
01:09:14
here I mean to me it seems like you're trying to play who can be the dumbest guy in the room game and you're winning
01:09:20
um but cuz it doesn't make any sense to me because if you're is trying to stall the elevator and you don't want to ride
01:09:27
on the elevator mhm then why are you staying on the elevator and she stays on the elevator for a good minute of that
01:09:34
clip right that's why I'm saying it doesn't make a lot of sense to me I it would still stop at every floor I what
01:09:40
I'm saying is I don't believe she's trying to stall the elevator from leaving that floor I think she's just
01:09:46
trying to be disruptive install the elevator in any form or fashion she can think of now go right not really
01:09:54
stall might not be the right word but basically to possibly inconvenience others you're exactly right all right so
01:10:00
I think yeah so you just picked a really shitty word you need to work on that um I see
01:10:08
that and that would make sense because the thing that doesn't make any sense to me and when she comes into the elevator
01:10:15
she bends down almost as she as if she's having a hard time seeing the buttons like cuz she does go one hand on the
01:10:24
knee and puts her face very close to the buttons I mean she yeah and she almost goes to 90 you 90° angle Bend MH you
01:10:32
know to see these buttons and then she ends up just pushing what it looks like to me all the buttons on the left side
01:10:39
which makes zero sense um unless but look we've all had those times where we're staying somewhere and you know
01:10:46
I've traveled you know with music and stuff where I've been in one hotel one night next night different hotel next
01:10:52
night and I get in and I go oh I'm on floor three a [ __ ] four ah [ __ ] no it's
01:10:58
five but it doesn't look like that because it's BL BL blah blah blah so I don't I I don't know why she's hitting
01:11:07
every button so the stall thing makes sense but you know my thought is when she is backing away it's and going
01:11:15
against the wall and going in the corner it's not to hide from somebody or hide from some paranormal uh entity it's to
01:11:22
get the sensor to realize that it's time to close the door and move on uh a lot of those
01:11:29
movements I can't I can't explain I can't explain the whole Cupid Shuffle and I can't well and most people can't
01:11:36
and that's why the the footage is so fascinating yeah and I've never uh like I said I was treated you know for
01:11:44
bipolar that's what they started treating me for I was never diagnosed with bipolar um I never had a manic
01:11:52
episode I've had friend friends that have had manic episodes uh some of them could remember small details of the
01:11:59
manic episodes uh but they couldn't remember the full situation uh I worked with a singer songwriter one time that
01:12:07
she went missing for a couple weeks we didn't know where she was she wasn't showing up for the session she had
01:12:12
booked and she had an episode and she ended up was she was arrested and then once they
01:12:18
realized that she was just offer medication uh she was released and she told us I don't don't really remember
01:12:24
why I was down at the state house I was convinced though that somebody was going
01:12:29
to harm somebody else MH mean she doesn't remember much of the details but she remembers certain parts of the event
01:12:37
but again here Alisa doesn't look like she's acting I mean other than a couple weird it's almost like normal movement
01:12:44
normal movement oh that's weird normal movement normal movement for super weird 75 or 80% of the video she's moving very
01:12:53
casually to me so those are our initial thoughts and kind of our summarized thoughts you know yeah maybe she's
01:13:01
trying to stall it maybe she's trying to inconvenience the hotel we don't think that there's anything going on
01:13:07
paranormal that we can tell I mean like again I mean it's not like we have video
01:13:12
footage of the the hallway and there's like you know some ghost you know the ghost buster guy Slimer Slimer yeah um
01:13:21
but that's kind of our thoughts and now we have tomorrow you know cuz there's no
01:13:26
way we're going to finish all this cuz we have a lot of theories I'm surprised that we have so much more to get to um
01:13:31
you know we we have to talk about the rooftop we have to talk about the body being found we have to talk about the
01:13:36
autopsy we have theories Tumblr uh it goes on and on and on yeah we're kind of long winded today but I think
01:13:46
it's good I mean I wanted to give a you know a little bit of your background as you know being a Security administrator
01:13:52
and all that stuff and uh and yeah I mean I kind of opened up the floodgates of personal life mhm you opened up the
01:14:02
garage door and exposed yourself I sat down in the chair and I told no the the reason for doing that
01:14:09
was because I think it is a sensitive issue especially in this case and I know we brought it up multiple times and uh I
01:14:17
think it's something that we should be sensitive about but it's something that we should be open and also honest about
01:14:24
cuz maybe by me saying hey look I've dealt with it I've I've been on prescription pills before I've seen a
01:14:30
therapist I've tried to work out some of the stuff that was going on in my head and then in my heart however you want to
01:14:36
view that uh and it's not the easiest thing to talk about and sometimes um gets a little emotional because I I feel
01:14:44
like I'm in a better place now and so to think back on the the really hard or dark times is not the best and I don't
01:14:51
need a bunch of people sending me comments saying oh thank thank you so much I'm not trying to be a champion uh
01:14:58
for mental health I think it's something that we all can do pretty simple just be
01:15:03
open honest uh let people in be kind to people right understand that people are walking different paths than you are
01:15:11
there's someday E look even if you're not diagnosed with you know some kind of mental you know we all have good days
01:15:18
and bad days good days and bad days yeah exactly and it's like those and everybody knows those bad days where
01:15:25
somebody's being a little nicer to you or just you know says hey nice shoes right right nice jib yeah right it it
01:15:33
picks you up uh so I don't need a bunch of comments about that just if you want to do anything about it just be open and
01:15:39
honest with your friends and your family and also just try to be kinder to each other be nice to the people around you
01:15:45
be nice to a stranger too because you don't know what that person's going through you don't know where that person
01:15:50
is from maybe they're from another town or another country and and they're confused about where they are just be
01:15:56
nice to one another is all all the captain's pushing for here yeah be kind don't suck don't be a douche wagon and
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speaking of work I need to get back to my job so I can be here tomorrow I want you to talk about your project real
01:17:03
quick I I told you that you were going to have to talk about it on this show today yeah so I everybody knows that I
01:17:08
do music uh you can check out I just launched a website it's more like a uh musical Journal if you will there's not
01:17:15
a bunch of stuff on it yet I'll be posting because everybody ask me so it's uh Captain fat hands
01:17:23
mhm I'm releasing my my real name it's Professor Captain fance just go to Captain fat hands.com uh and that is
01:17:33
going to be my little site for my musical journal and on this Friday on St Patrick's Day I have a project that I
01:17:39
was involved in uh I write a lot of songs and I sing uh normally not for other people and the Project's name is
01:17:47
St Patrick and the album is called tin man and that will be on iTunes this Friday on St Patrick's Day right so the
01:17:56
project is called St Patrick released on St Patrick's Day okay so check out the captain's website Captain fat hands.com
01:18:04
and we will be back tomorrow with lots more to talk about until then be good be kind and don't Litter yeah my boss is
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