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everybody grab your chair grab your beer let's talk some true crime Arroyo Grande California on Sunday July
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23rd 1995 the parents of fifteen-year-old Elyse Palmer reported her missing to the San Luis Obispo
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Sheriff's Department her parents David and Lisa Ann reported that the teen was last seen at her
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family's home when she left for unknown reasons Elyse was described as five feet
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seven inches tall and about 120 pounds she's Caucasian with shoulder-length blond hair and blue eyes in the coming
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weeks and months the local TV news and newspapers will remind the public of the missing teen adding that family and
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friends had not seen nor heard from Elise since the night of July 22nd the Sheriff's Department stated that they
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are attempting to locate the teen but say that they have no leads there were several unconfirmed sightings
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of Elise again these are unconfirmed the Sheriff's Department theorized she is still in the area
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possibly in South San Luis Obispo County area as Christmas approached a tip came
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in the tipster stated that Elise was alive and traveling with a carnival in Colorado this tip included a ray of hope
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the caller said Elise might call home on Christmas Day December 25th 1995 Christmas Day the polar family gathered
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as usual for a big traditional Christmas dinner loved ones had presents under the
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tree for Elise they waited all day for the telephone to ring bringing them the message they had
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hoped and prayed for it for months a call home from Elise saying she was all right and she was no longer missing that
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call never came in January of 1996 after Elise was missing for over five months now her grandmother
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Elise whose grandkids called her Nana made a public plea for her granddaughter to return home or at least to reach out
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and communicate with her family in a letter release in several newspapers Nana addressed the letter to
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my dearest Elise writing I miss you and I love you everyone is very worried and heartbroken because we don't know how
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you are if you are happy warm well-fed and healthy in closing Nana writes we can work it
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out you can stay here with me until you want to go elsewhere please please just call me so we know you are alive
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[Music] [Music] Alysse paula was born April 24 1982 parents David and Lisa Ann she would be
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the oldest of four children her siblings are sisters Jennifer and Christina and her brother Ryan this was a happy big
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family who loved one another and looked after each other the family was active in their church
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and in their community Alise excelled at a very early age at painting and she was
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said to be a very gifted person in the arts this would continue throughout her life and in 1992 at the age of 12
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Alise finished first and took the girls beginner's title at the Nipomo Tennis Association's junior singles tournament
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in the summer of 1995 Alise was maturing now age 15 hanging out with other high school kids of course and like most
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situations Elise's parents knew most of Elise's friends and schoolmates but not all of them as we said in the trailer
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the lease was last seen at her home on the night of July 22nd reported missing the next morning by her parents the
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early reports state that Alise left home for unknown reasons and then she was missing for days weeks and then months
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as we almost always see in these cases the parents of the missing teenager in the Sheriff's Department have differing
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opinions and theories as to what exactly has taken place the parents always fear
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the absolute worst and law enforcement has to look at the known facts of the situation and any possible leads and let
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those circumstances lead their theories and opinions some more detailed information would eventually come out in
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this case and I think from this story and the information that comes out you can possibly see why there was a
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difference in opinion here the story that comes out and this is from Elise's grandmother Elise Walter and it was
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reported in the Santa Maria Times newspaper and the report says the night she disappeared
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Elise had been watching a movie with her family when she received a telephone call from a friend at about 10:00 p.m.
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Walter said when Elise received a second phone call a few minutes later Walter said she abruptly told her parents she
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was tired and was going to bed she said I love you and I'm going to bed the phone call Walter said was from a boy
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who had been suspended from a Rio Grande High School in March of 1995 after Elise
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told officials the boy had sold drugs though her father checked to make sure Elise was okay after she went to bed a
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second check by one of Elise's two sisters a short time later found pillows had been stuffed under the blankets to
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make it appear that Elise was present Walter who has spent the past eight months searching for clues to the
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whereabouts of her granddaughter said Elise had snuck out of the house a few times prior to her disappearance but had
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always returned the next day by Dawn when she didn't return home by the morning of July 23rd Elise's father
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called the sheriff's department so this is where I think we're seeing the difference of opinions as far as the
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Sheriff's Department is concerned and her family is concerned right the family is concerned because there are two phone
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calls that they are aware of that came into the house just before she may have left on her own you know everybody knows
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the old trick we've seen it in the prison escape movies we've seen kids do it in movies where you stuff a couple
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pillows or stuffed animals underneath the the sheets or blankets to appear that somebody's sleeping in the bed but
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the family is concerned about the phone calls and that she didn't come home the Sheriff's Department on the other end
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they're concerned about a couple things one it appears that Elise left the home on her own right to go off and do what
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we don't know but it appears that she left on her own - it's already reported that she has
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left the home several times but or snuck out in the middle of the night she was as her parents say and
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grandmother says running around with the with a bad crowd at that time in her life mm-hmm and we have these
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unconfirmed sightings of her elsewhere so police are looking at this going well she might have snuck out in the middle
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of night she this time she may have just run away and now we're seeing we have these sightings of her elsewhere now the
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only issue I take with that is a 15 year old blond high school kid right I mean the dime-a-dozen right it would be easy
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to to believe that you are seeing her somewhere and these are as said unconfirmed sightings no there's there's
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a lot of reports that she had a French door she she lived in a pretty big house and she was not as close to the other
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rooms okay and for whatever reason they keep and almost every report I read they
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talked about how that she had French doors notetaking Bay that has French doors they're the easiest doors to break
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into they're also the easiest to sneak out of are they well I I don't know my home growing up what well one of the
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homes that I grew up in I don't know if it was the location of the of the door itself but or if or if the French door
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was just quieter when it would open and close but that was my door of choice for
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sneaking out was the French door yeah so just a safety note if you have French doors make sure that you have some other
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locking system on them than what comes with them hmm I also think as far as the family goes with their gut feeling when
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she's missing and the fact that they think that she is no longer with them I believe that is coming from some kind of
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maternal instinct some gut feeling maybe not so much evidence but also as parents
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and as law enforcement you have to go but what are these calls mm-hmm and what is the motivation are these just calls
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that have nothing to do with the fact that she left the house or are these individuals I are going hey come hang
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out with us come party with us is this a way to get her out of the house so I don't know exactly what activities of
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Alisa's that her parents would have been aware of you know what she was up to when she was not at home but it seems to
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me that the big question mark and red flag that I have here is when we said law enforcement has to follow the leads
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has to take the known information the known facts and come up with an opinion there it seems like the family has some
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general knowledge of the person that called the home this doesn't seem to be like they're just like all the phone
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rang twice and when somebody right because they're giving a little bit of a description of a boy who was suspended
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from school we know that it was a boy you have to wonder did they in fact know the boy's name or how much information
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did they know about this person that called and was it the same person that called twice that night or two separate
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people that called right and if they did know this information I'm assuming giving their fears that they stated
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early on we were fearing the worst they were fearing that she was murdered even when we have these sightings come
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in they still publicly stated that that was their fear and you wonder again I think that's just a gut feeling yeah
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yeah and we see this where parents fear the worst and law enforcement tries to keep a level head about it but but
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what's hold on hold on God always because sometimes law enforcement is going look we think there's foul play
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and you have a mother or a father saying hey I think she's still with us because
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they're hopeful well sometimes hopeful but sometimes their gut feeling is tell them that their child is not passed on
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right you know and and you can't explain that now I understand some of these sightings because a lot of these
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sightings are like very loosey goosey where they're saying we saw a blond girl matching the description of
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the missing teen at a convenience store or at a store in this area and we're talking about these sightings are
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actually in the same County right in which she was living so this seems plausible I don't I don't know why and I
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don't mean to laugh because this is a tragic story that we have to tell today Clara Nass but the the story of she's
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alive and traveling with a carnival in Colorado yeah super bizarre number one and like when when I'm finding
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information and looking for information of this story and of this case tracking down our own leads I come across that
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and then I have to like double check the year of the story because I'm like right
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this was 1995 right let me double check that because that's something I would expect to hear like 1964 nights you've
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an away join the kind of join the carnival but there was also rumors to that she'd left to go to LA right
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because she to be a movie star yeah she I guess there was some rumors that she wanted to be an actress yeah it's just
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so sad when you review this information and you even if the parents or the family did not believe that there was a
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chance of this happening it's still sad to read the on Christmas Day there was some kind of hint of hope that they were
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going to receive a call from their missing daughter right and of course we know that that day came and went without
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any communication from Elise to her family at all or my frustration with this is the idea that the family is
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saying that we think our daughter has passed on now there's no evidence of that but I also wonder if this is a
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tactic by law enforcement to go hey there's no evidence that there's foul play we're going to assume there's no
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foul play and that causes them to do less work in general or they believe some of the sightings that are coming in
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right the the the troubling thing though is look her Elise's parents publicly state that they believe someone the
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caller the boy on the phone lured her out of the home that night and that the caller then is very likely the one
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responsible for why she ever came home after that right and so they were very public about this
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I mean hell we spent all of last week discussing a case where someone called the home of a youngster and lured her
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out of that home and into a location where he could abduct her the tricky thing here is your your most hope is
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probably coming at Christmas time even though she's already been missing for a few months we know that that called the
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call that they were hoping for did not come in and that is when really I feel that the panic truly set in in this case
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in big time for the family because it's been months since anyone has last seen and now her and now the hope is drying
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up her grandmother makes that very public plea on the news and in the newspapers in January of 1996 and we
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heard a portion of that letter in the trailer now I can't say for certain which theory the grandmother was going
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with because I'm sure she was on board with the family but in that same letter she praised the Sheriff's Department for
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all of their hard work and maybe she believed some of the unconfirmed sightings out there as well
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yeah or possibly the rumor that she was gonna call and then once the call didn't
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happen she thought okay well if she's out there I'm gonna put this statement out there if she's out there she will
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make contact yeah and we didn't read the entire letter written to her missing granddaughter but but from top to bottom
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it's a plea for at least to call or to come home right so other than these unconfirmed sightings and the rumors
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there was really not a whole lot going on with this investigation unfortunately there were in in fact no real leads in
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this thing giving law enforcement almost nothing to work with but this was a pretty safe area fairly and you'll hear
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the people and read the people in the area talking about that area kind of changing during the 90s there was a bad
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element to the area let's say right but almost when you thought nothing was going to happen with this investigation
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that nothing was going to happen in the search for this young woman something strange happened this is on March 14th
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1996 so after 15 year old Elise Paula had gone missing vanished into the night was missing for months a young man with
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dark brown hair flowing halfway down his back he's a thin young man 5 foot 10 inch frame he walks into the Sheriff's
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Department and he has an almost unbelievable story to tell this is 17 year old Royce Casey Royce said a couple
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of his friends knew the missing girl then Royce explained that he and those friends murdered Elise Paula now
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uncertain if the boy was telling the truth the detectives asked him if he knew where the girl's body was located
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he said he did they asked if he could take them to her he said he could and he did Royce Casey led detectives to a
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rural area just a little more than a quarter of a mile from where Elise had lived there sure enough just as the boy
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alright captain now it would take a few days but it would be on Monday March 19 1996 that publicly identification of the
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body is announced to the public and they do say that this was the missing girl we
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have found fifteen-year-old Elyse Palmer law enforcement during this time while they're working to make that
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identification one they already believe that it is her because they have this teenager who has the story to tell that
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that me and some friends killed this teenage girl so they are in communication with Elise's family and
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even before the identification was announced publicly her father was in the paper stating they found Alise our fears
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were confirmed right but he also says too that there are going to be some details in this case that comes out and
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when you hear that you won't believe them so he's getting detailed information from law
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enforcement before that it's put out publicly he knows that once they get to an arraignment when they have their first
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day in court to to officially charge anyone with any type of crime there will be some kind of details that come out
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that day and that the public is going to be shocked at what they hear so he's aware of some of the confession
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right let's call it that right some of my issue though she's found within a quarter mile of her house
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mm-hmm you know that it seems like they should have had some search parties or something they should have found her
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body way before this yes so after the identification is made the information that comes out now mind you at first the
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suspect or suspects will not be named publicly in fact the the boy that confessed he's not named publicly for a
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couple of days as well but what we end up learning is that fifteen-year-old Elise Paula's body was discovered about
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a quarter mile from her home she had been raped and murdered there left there eight months earlier by acquaintances
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Jacob della shmoop Joseph Fiorella and Royce Casey the perpetrators apparently returned to the
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corpse and had sex with it on several occasions the body was located after Royce Casey confessed to the crime
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following his conversion to Christianity so Royce Casey who had become estranged
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from his one-time friends Joseph and Jacob he approached law enforcement officials admitted and admitted that he
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had helped kill the girl he led authorities to her decomposed corpse which they found splayed out in a
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South County eucalyptus grove so she wasn't far from home but she was well concealed the the confession is going to
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have to offer up more details than just that right so what we would learn is that
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roy states that the group got together and smoked some marijuana after which we have della shmoo reportedly strangled
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Elise with his belt while Joseph Fiorella stabbed her in the neck with a hunting knife and Casey Royce Casey held
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her hands and arms then Casey and Della shmoo then took turns stabbing the girl and I believe she was stabbed 12 times
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you're exactly right the forensic pathologists who examine the body testified later in court that
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none of the 12 stab wounds were in fact fatal which indicated that Elise died by
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slowly bleeding to death right authorities said that the three had engaged in sexual intercourse with the
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girl's corpse investigators said Fiorella's mother told them her son said Royce and Casey had engaged in sex with
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the body and one of Jacob's friends testified that he he bragged about returning to the corpse often saying to
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have sex with it yeah I actually didn't believe this at at first thinking yeah this is a very sick crime one to kill
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anybody's ass a crime but to then come back to the corpse and have sex with it that and you know let's you're raping
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the corpse but to have three individuals do this that sounded unbelievable to me
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but the fact that then you were telling me well no it's because we know that for
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a fact that they kept coming back to the corpse so that made it make more sense yeah and the thing here too is as you
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said this this is weird and it weird to hear this I mean we know that when we covered Ted Bundy and in some other
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cases as well that even when Ted admitted to a lot of what he did he was not upfront about the acts of
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necrophilia that he was doing right and that's where you see a unique situation where these young men they
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they're bragging about probably the grossest most disturbing part of this whole situation right but these are
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three disturbed individuals anyways disturbed individuals and young individuals right you know they the
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three youths altogether apparently told at least two acquaintances of the murder
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itself but their tales were dismissed as a fabrication that these people they heard what these boys had to say you
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know friends of theirs are so-called friends of theirs right and they're like yeah we didn't tell anybody because we
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just thought these idiots were lying right you did the story and said sounded unbelievable apparently though Pollard's
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killing had been plotted once before and this is according to Royce Casey he tells law enforcement that not only
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did we kill her but we attempted to do so on a previous occasion right he said that on on this one occasion
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Joseph Fiorella and Jacob della schmoop had tried to carry out this plan to kill
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Elise Palmer in this plot which ended up being similar to the one that that led to the girl's death Casey told
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investigators the trio enticed palmer from her home and got her to walk to a spot on the Mesa where there was a steep
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ravine and at this location one of the boys pretended to slip down the ravine as a ruse to try to get Elise Paul er to
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walk down to the bottom of this ravine right now apparently she didn't do what they needed her to do for this plot to
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be carried out but even so joseph Fiorella then pulls out a knife he tosses it to this is another individual
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that it actually was not involved in the killing of Elise Paul er mm-hmm but this
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knife that Joseph Fiorella pulls out on this occasion ends up being the same one
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that would later be used in her murder right now the other teen remember he throws this knife to this other guy
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that other team he kind of panics and he just stood there he didn't he didn't do
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anything and the other team boys are shouting out do it do it you know they're trying to get him to initiate
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the attack on Elise he does not do it and KC Royce KC tells law enforcement this sounds weird that we're telling you
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the story of you know another a failed attempt I guess brain at her murder well then why would she leave the house and
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go out with you and he told law enforcement he was she probably just thought we were goofing around right she
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didn't she wasn't aware we didn't state what we intended to do that day she didn't really believe that there was any
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threat there these are teenagers getting high and acting like goofballs and she probably just assumed that they were
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just idiots and they were goofing around when these idiots were part of a band right the band was called hatred
00:34:53
yeah which which gives you an idea of what kind of music they were playing and probably at what at what talent level
00:35:04
they were probably playing this music yeah I think it's funny I heard a couple people when reporting on this say I
00:35:11
think that's a good band name I think it's a shitty band name but that's just my hatred we're called that it sounds
00:35:18
like a very 10 year old 12 year old we're going to join the metal band what are you going to call it hatred well and
00:35:26
what I couldn't figure out captain what I was trying to find was how legit was this band right because when you're in
00:35:32
high school everybody knows somebody that's always forming a band that never forms it doesn't ever practice they
00:35:38
never practice they don't have any real music half of the people that are supposed to be in this band don't have
00:35:44
any instruments or equipment but I guess based off the confession he did say that
00:35:51
during some rehearsals I believe or during some practices or again that could not be a practice it could just be
00:35:58
hanging out at somebody's house and one guy has a guitar there because I've had you know back in my day I've had band
00:36:05
practices like that mm-hmm hey we're gonna go over to and you show up and there's one guy with
00:36:10
a guitar right but that's kind of where you know this obsession with her kind of
00:36:18
began or how he heard about it anyways yeah and the whole band thing is important to this case for several
00:36:27
reasons look joseph Fiorella was 16 years old Royce Casey was 18 and Jacob Della
00:36:33
Schmidt was 17 the state wanted to try them as adults for their roles in the killing and for the acts that they
00:36:42
carried out afterwards and the important thing here for the state is they need to
00:36:48
present this to the public and say look this is how disturbed and this is how messed up these kids are they're they're
00:36:56
super violent we don't want them on the streets ever again because of what we know about this murder in these crimes
00:37:04
it's not safe for anybody for for any of these three to be walking around out in
00:37:10
society yeah I mean this is a premeditated murder again this is a this is a torturous murder then then the
00:37:19
torture to the corpse afterwards this is beyond heinous so the state puts forward to the public some of the
00:37:30
details about the crimes stating the the defendants said that they needed to commit a sacrifice to the devil to give
00:37:38
their heavy metal band hatred the craziness to go professional apparently part of their part of the the plea here
00:37:49
will be a full confession where you're going to hear in my opinion what would be several motives for this murder and
00:37:58
one of it being that they wanted to sacrifice a virgin to the devil to make their band play better to make them get
00:38:06
a contract to make them be a big band and one of the bands that they idolized was the band Slayer right and anybody
00:38:16
that's familiar with their music you know what you're getting into and I don't want it this is not going to turn
00:38:21
into an old man rant here because as the captain will will vouch for me on I I grew up a big
00:38:29
fan of watching a lot of metal bands like what you would call death metal I was never into Slayer but I certainly
00:38:38
for though right Metallica yeah I mean I don't want to I don't want to disrespect anybody I never
00:38:43
considered them one of the big four I almost feel like because of the tragedy with Pantera that the Slayer may have
00:38:53
got elevated right to the big four also when you're putting together that tour you got a lineup whoever's willing to go
00:39:00
and by default somebody may become part of the big four I don't think anybody would argue that the other three are the
00:39:08
big three right so well look if you offer ten times that I get to see Pantera or Slayer ten out of ten times
00:39:18
I'm gonna go see Pantera Oh 100% unfortunately another detail to the confession was that Elise Paul ER cried
00:39:27
out for her mother when she was attacked and she was on the ground praying to God
00:39:32
and calling for her mom in these savages just continued to attack her anyway yeah
00:39:39
and I think this is some of it is you know the the crossroads story Robert Johnson goes to the crossroad meets the
00:39:51
devil signs his soul away and and supposedly these guys were talking in in chat rooms about this and these I guess
00:40:01
they were like satanic or occult chat rooms and the people of the chat rooms were saying well look if you if you
00:40:09
sacrifice somebody then you could have these powers so you have that going on plus they're there in a shitty band and
00:40:19
their shitty musicians and their City people all around this pieces of [ __ ] well and you know what was weird to was
00:40:27
I couldn't find anybody that said that they had ever seen the band play anywhere like there were some other
00:40:33
teenagers that seemed to be aware of this band right probably just hearing these boys talk about it and boast about
00:40:39
it we we do already know that when it comes to murder and other sick acts that these three certainly had no filter they
00:40:46
were too young and too dumb to not keep quiet about what they had done right so with the with the band thing who knows
00:40:54
if it was even the real deal or not but we do know that that was what the claims
00:41:01
were the the public claims were that they wanted to sacrifice a virgin to earn them a ticket to hell and to become
00:41:08
this big band now the representation for one of these boys would state that a lot
00:41:16
of this a lot of these allegations were grossly overstated and some of them were
00:41:21
flatly without any factual support stating these allegations are intended to inflame public opinion again we need
00:41:30
these three guys to be tried as adults and fortunately that's what takes place all three of these 16 17 year old
00:41:39
eighteen year old they're going to be tried as adults for their roles in the killing and eventually all three of them
00:41:47
would plead no contest to her murder right and this was this was not an easy or short court proceedings but what it
00:41:56
led to was a plea of no contest to her murder and all three of them are in prison and serving 26 years to life for
00:42:05
each one of these so hopefully but none of these get out of prison right but there is that option that could happen
00:42:14
I'm not clear though so we get the one guy that confesses yeah what was his name again sorry
00:42:21
Royce Casey yeah he's the main guy in this case he comes forward he confesses but it seems like the other two then
00:42:30
confess I just want to be clear about that did they end up confessing as well I mean it appears that way right it
00:42:39
appears that way but what we do know is that they pled no contest right so they're not going to fight the charges
00:42:46
basically and Royce Casey he comes for word because he converted to Christianity he he saw the light found
00:42:53
God so he's hanging out with these numbnuts right and they're doing stuff with satanic stuff occultist stuff and
00:43:01
then they're there listening to the this death metal music and then they decide and one of the members has this
00:43:10
obsession with her and so therefore we're going to lure her out of her home at night and we're gonna kill her
00:43:18
have sex with the body and then one of them at some point III don't think it's as simple as that
00:43:27
he just found Christianity I also think he was convinced that the other two were
00:43:32
gonna kill again and possibly kill him so I don't think it's as simple as look I found God and look at me I'm the
00:43:41
righteous one I'm the one confessing I think part of this was to save his own ass it could be I mean I can't see
00:43:48
what's going on in the the mind of Royce Casey but what has been reported is that
00:43:52
he he found God and he wanted to own up to what he was a part of he now we might
00:44:00
just be getting his version of the events but as you stated they they pled no contest we would get public
00:44:07
statements from the other two eventually that would make it sound as though they've confessed on some level uh-huh
00:44:15
Elise's parents David in Lisa and Paul er they would later claim that the Slayer songs postmortem and dead skin
00:44:24
mask from the album's rain and blood and seasons in the abyss gave the three killers detailed instructions to stalk
00:44:32
rape torture and commit acts of necrophilia right so this is a lawsuit that is filed and technically it was
00:44:41
filed twice now both times the lawsuit was thrown out Jacob dela shmoo himself stated in a Washington Post interview
00:44:52
quote the music is destructive but that's not why Elise was murdered she was murdered because Jo Fiorella was
00:44:59
obsessed with her and obsessed with killing right we do know that David Paul er stated to the newspaper shortly after
00:45:09
the arrest of the three young men that he believed that his daughter was being stalked by these three boys they were in
00:45:17
fact acquaintances and what little he knew about these boys he could say at one time Elise rode the same school bus
00:45:26
as two of the three now we have a situation where these three boys are there living a different life than what
00:45:36
Elise was and we do know that she might have been running around with the wrong crowd at that time just being 15 years
00:45:44
old but one of these boys in fact attended a different school was was a member at a private school right the
00:45:52
other two boys rode the same bus as Elise and it was these two boys that her father David believe were stalking her
00:46:00
they were maybe obsessed with her we don't know what level of friendship or a relationship that they had but the two
00:46:09
boys that rode the school bus with her at one point they were certainly in and out of trouble leading up to this at the
00:46:17
time of her murder neither of those boys were still attending that same school because they got in so much trouble that
00:46:23
they were told they had to leave right one of them I believe was already enrolled in another school somewhat in
00:46:30
the area and then the other boy was attending home school one on top of just playing in the band and being kicked out
00:46:40
of school these kids had some drug use as well correct correct they were selling drugs and I don't know what
00:46:49
drugs they were pushing but we do know at the very least that they used marijuana to lure her out of her home
00:46:55
that night to go in well I think they were doing eyes opioids and or don't not opioids amphetamines well and that's
00:47:04
where I referenced the bad element in the area there were several people that after this confession and after these
00:47:11
men were put away that stated hey you know marijuana one thing but we were seeing opioids and
00:47:19
feta means we were seeing crack and crystal meth being introduced to the area and people a lot of people
00:47:27
partaking in those activities and I understand why the parents sued Slayer or why they tried to sue Slayer mm-hmm
00:47:37
because especially this story it seems like all all the individuals were saying well we all listen to Slayer and and
00:47:44
that might be a part of the equation you get these idiot kids ones obsessed with
00:47:51
this girl they're going into these chat rooms I think on some level maybe these chat rooms are a little more responsible
00:48:01
you know then then a Slayer record would be mm-hmm but also believe in freedom of
00:48:08
speech and I also believe in capitalism and if you have a band singing songs about shitty things that you know you
00:48:17
want if people don't listen to it it eventually goes away so so I do think that's on you know their parents on some
00:48:26
level you know and you're always gonna have that argument while these people were playing video games and those games
00:48:34
cause them to kill no I think deep down here piece of [ __ ] and that's what caused you to do what you did not not
00:48:41
because you listened to a Slayer record yeah I'm fully on board with the the lawsuit itself on both occasions because
00:48:50
what I'm going to attempt to understand here is that when my daughter is taken and killed and murdered I I will attempt
00:49:01
to understand just being angry at everybody and wanting to hold everybody responsible I'm fully on board with that
00:49:09
the other thing too is that this isn't something that the investigators just made up all these boys were listening to
00:49:17
Slayer and they and they killed this girl this isn't something that they made up this was part of the confession and
00:49:23
so therefore I get that and I understand that from the parents perspective I would
00:49:29
upset with everyone as well and wanting to hold as many people accountable as possible as well given the situation
00:49:35
yeah but it's but it's as you said it's you can't you can't hold band like Slayer or some other band accountable
00:49:45
for this because it's just not it's just not fair and it doesn't work for society
00:49:51
I mean what are you gonna do take every movie video game book everything out there that maybe ever molded these boys
00:49:59
into who they turned out to be and and make them pay grievances it just it doesn't work I get it but and I I don't
00:50:10
fault the parents for pursuing those avenues but I also fully understand why it was thrown out yeah I also wonder if
00:50:18
some of this stuff was blown up this is towards the end of the eighties ii got some satanic panic stuff going on and i
00:50:24
wonder if some of these like we were talking about before if you know these dorky deeds are sitting there going well
00:50:31
yeah we're in this metal being called hatred and yeah we're like really influenced by Slayer if a comment like
00:50:38
that is just kind of blown up even more and I know there's more comments than just that but I think some of this stuff
00:50:44
is kind of blown up but but I think those chat rooms I really think like if those accounts are true and they're in
00:50:53
these chat rooms and you have these adults in these chat rooms saying well yeah if you you know if you want to get
00:50:59
these powers and you want to get signed to a major label if you want to sell your soul to the devil what you need to
00:51:06
do is sacrifice somebody and and I think the combination of that and these kids on and Vetta means and all these other
00:51:15
mind-altering drugs that we we now look again well there's a lot of people that are like there's nothing wrong with
00:51:23
booze I mean our show we talked about booze there's not nothing wrong with weed a lot of these things are not
00:51:30
suitable for growing Minds right and they shouldn't be they shouldn't be per take in until you
00:51:40
know early 20s or whatever so I'm sure there's some science on that I'm not a science I'm just a scientist
00:51:48
I'm just a captain of a lonely ship no but I think it's the combination of that but if you have these idiot
00:51:56
[ __ ] in chat rooms going oh yeah you should sacrifice somebody that would get you sign I don't know if you'd ever be
00:52:05
able to find those individuals but but those individuals are pieces of [ __ ] yeah
00:52:12
ELISA Pollard's story was the basis for part of the storyline in the 2009 film Jennifer's Body which starred Megan Fox
00:52:22
I've not seen the movie so I don't I can't can't back that up right but that is what is often reported in this the
00:52:30
you know these situations of course they have lasting effects and horrific effects on the loved ones and parents of
00:52:39
a murdered teenager but there was a story that came out years after her death where Alisa's father David was
00:52:50
involved in a road rage incident and he cited that he has PTSD from living through this situation and claim that he
00:53:00
has difficulty managing stress difficulty managing his anger levels and actions at times because of how much he
00:53:10
he suffered and was hurt by this whole tragic story well no and that's the thing that I think a lot of people
00:53:18
wrestle with if if this was my sister oh would I what would I have done if I heard rumors about these three
00:53:31
individuals stabbing her 12 times letting her bleed out then going back in and messing with the body like I mean
00:53:44
this this is a gruesome crime it's not to take away you know from other crimes but it's like there's a
00:53:54
it's like if you're confronted with that individual would you take their life and
00:54:02
so you have this father I think in a lot of these cases fathers mothers brothers
00:54:10
sisters family members that feel like they didn't do anything wrong but they didn't do anything right if that makes
00:54:19
sense like there's probably nothing that her parents could have done differently that
00:54:25
day like these kids called her and somehow they got her out of the house and there's probably nothing that they
00:54:33
could have said before she went to bed to change that but there's not a day that probably goes by and his brain they
00:54:40
doesn't think well what if I hugged her good night maybe soon when I left the house maybe if I would have done this
00:54:46
that that I could have stopped this on some level and yeah you'd be eight I think it'll be almost impossible to let
00:54:55
go of that anger in another strange twist in this story here captain we have Anthony
00:55:02
Fiorella the brother of Joseph Fiorella he killed a teenager as well this took place in 1998 when he shot and killed a
00:55:13
teenager by the name of Garret hunter this was over a drug dispute he was there to sell some drugs and it this was
00:55:22
a drug deal gone bad gone wrong and Anthony Fiorella killed this other young man now in regards to the three
00:55:31
individuals that murdered their daughter Elise Palmer the Palmer family stated we
00:55:37
want these predatory monsters to stay in prison for the rest of their lives and we couldn't agree more
00:55:51
[Music] all right happy Halloween and sheers maids thanks so much for joining us this
00:55:59
week in the garage yeah everybody make sure you have a safe and happy Halloween want to throw out a quick recommendation
00:56:06
before we wrap up for this week here captain this week we are recommending call me
00:56:11
God this is the untold story of the DC sniper investigation last week audible presented this and it came out on
00:56:19
Thursday and I downloaded it and I cannot quit listening to it I would not call this an audio book this is more of
00:56:26
a presentation so check out call me god and we will have that title listed for you on our
00:56:31
recommended page at true crime garage calm yeah like the colonel said be safe make sure you check your kids candy and
00:56:38
make sure you still a couple pieces for yourself but be safe and enjoy this week
00:56:43
and until next week be good be kind and don't let it [Music] [Applause]