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[Music] good night it's been 30 years since the murder of Raymond Tim Brooke and ironically
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Captain here are the words from a pretty extensive article from the summer of 1992 about Rey's case and the article
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starts off the longer it takes the colder the trail gets the colder the trail gets the
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harder it becomes to find the killer Raymond timbrick has been dead since Friday the 13th of March 1992. someone
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pumped two bullets into his head at nearly point-blank range and ended his existence on Earth's physical plane
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Raymond timbrook is now a ghost a memory someone knows why Tim Brook is dead the
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Killer is still at large he or she knows exactly why they killed him and how they
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killed him with all the Intrigue that surrounds his death the killer even knows if Tim Brook was killed for
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someone else timbrick doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would be involved in
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some kind of mystery but then you never know those words were true back then in 1992
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and they're still True to this day where we left off yesterday Captain we had discussed this woman who presents
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herself to the family as Raymond's fiancee at his funeral we learn a little bit about that woman we learn a little
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bit about Rey's work continuing on our timeline here though another very important stop along the timeline is in
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May of 1992 and this is May 29 1992 when the Kirtland Hills Police Department publicly released a composite sketch of
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a man seen talking to Tim Brook in The Hunting Hills subdivision the man remains unidentified but is described as
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in his 40s with Sandy colored hair the shame in this case is if you want to go down some rabbit holes as far as the
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internet is concerned there's not going to be many that you find the information
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just doesn't exist anymore if it does exist it seems to leave out certain people's names and some information but
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we do have this sketch that we'll be putting out on social media Instagram Facebook and Twitter yeah this is a case
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that is difficult to do internet sleuthing on now websleuths is a very good source for the
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Raymond Timber case and another great source over the years and especially recently has been
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WKYC news now we have a friend over there his name is Phil Trexler our connection is he also works at
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porchlight to try to help bring closure to some Ohio cold cases now Phil Trexler
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is an executive producer for WKYC investigative unit and he's also spent plenty of time in print news as
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well back in 1992 in fact he was working for the Lake County News Herald and he has covered Raymond's case for 30 years
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now first off Phil thank you for covering Ray's case for 30 years now and thank you for talking with us and joining us
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in the garage I appreciate it Nick uh glad to be on here I'm I'm glad that you're uh focusing on this this case uh
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it's one that's stuck with me for about 30 years now um yes it's intriguing it's uh
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heartbreaking um it's worthy of our attention so what were you up to in 1992 yeah I
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was a a young reporter two or three years into the business I was a cops reporter for the uh Lake County News
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Herald which was based in Northeast Ohio in the city of mentor um I just got there after a one-year
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stint in Mansfield with the news journal so uh the timber cases like one of the first that landed on my lap the first
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year that I was there Phil you've covered a lot of cases in your career not all of them will stick
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with you what makes the Raymond Timber case stick with you well this one was unique
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um the fact is that you know what we had was a prominent somewhat prominent engineer who was found dead in his car
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in this undeveloped property uh development property that was being planned in little Kirtland Hills Ohio uh
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his car was still running there were burn marks on his leg which indicated that the car heater had been
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on for a long time initially police thought it was a a suicide it for some reason it's not clear now as to
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why they thought that there was no gun that was recovered from the scene but they it was so unusual I think to have a
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homicide in the city of Kirtland Hills that everyone assumed it must be a suicide because nobody gets murdered in
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Kirtland health initially yeah the cops thought it was a suicide but it became clear
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soon that he was I think shot twice in the head and that this in fact was a uh a homicide and the more that people
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looked into it the more it seemed like it was like a you know almost a hit there were all kinds of rumors floating
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around the city then just because of the fact that here we have this mild-mannered
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you know engineer what you know who would want to who would want to kill him you know so all things started to come
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about was it business related was it uh personal related there's a love triangle
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angle so all sorts of rumors floating around um and it was just very you know it was
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a new case the name that has always been tied to the ray Timber case is George Samaritan and this is the individual his
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co-worker that he is said to have met with or was planning on meeting at Hunting Hills where he's later found
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dead in his car the other angle to the George theory in this case is the love triangle angle and it's always been said
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that Rey who was involved with Lynn eagensberger that Lynn was at one time involved with George Samaritan as well
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In fairness to George he's never been charged with the crime he's let alone convicted
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um he was a person of interest clearly and I think continues to be he instead of cooperating with policy
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hired an attorney which is his right um and he did not cooperate with the investigation nor did the other
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co-worker Lynn Egans Burger who um is an intriguing figure who we can talk about a little later about her
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appearance at the funeral and how that shocked everybody um but uh yeah that was that was the
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alleged love triangle George samarigan Lynn Egans burger and Ray Timber um all three you see to consultant
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employees so what is your take on a CT consultants and do you believe that Rey and George were a team when it comes to
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this new development perhaps maybe a team but certainly this was not like their biggest thing this is
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a huge National engineering firm their their fingerprints are everywhere um and especially in Lake County they
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were very uh prominent especially on some road construction projects that they engineered they're just a very
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influential powerful um Corporation and what is your take on this possible murder weapon
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it was one gun a large caliber they never came out with a specific uh caliber on it I believe that my
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recollection is is that the projectile it was so damaged that they couldn't be positive about you know what it was it
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was a 357 or nine millimeter um but yeah I mean they had very little evidence to go on inside that car you
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know they had a they had a dead businessman um and very little to go on with with no
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real witnesses to the shooting Phil tell us about this now Infamous incident at Ray's funeral yeah you know
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I I was at the funeral actually um yeah uh and uh it was God it was a very emotional uh scene very crowded
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lots of people uh I remember those uh Eric Clapton song um that he that he wrote for his son Tears
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in Heaven yeah and uh gosh I'm starting to tear up myself right now uh and uh so that song was playing I remember that
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at some point and uh I didn't see this take place but I've talked to uh Timber's family afterward I missed this
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part that happened but a co-worker showed up at the funeral uh Lynn Egans burger and
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she made a she made a grand announcement to the family and introduced herself as
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as Ray's fiancee and uh that struck uh everybody that was just a shocking Revelation to the family no one knew of
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her let alone the fact that they were now engaged to be married um she was acting you know uh as a
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you would expect um yeah she's morning yeah she was clearly in love with Rey and she was
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morning she was crying and she was very emotional um they watched as she walked over to
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the uh to the casket and um you know lovingly gave her a farewell and she quietly dropped a letter into the casket
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and and walked away and the family was uncomfortable with her uh appearance there uh
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and everybody kind of like wanted her to go except for uh except for one one his
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one guy and it was uh Tim Brook's son uh he tells an interesting story about uh how he talked to Lynn and was interested
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in what she had to say and in fact invited her to the family's home for the Post uh funeral meal
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um and when she arrived there Brian the son was told and no uncertain terms that uh she needs to leave she's
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not welcome here she needs to go which is not actually an unfortunate event because who knows what she may
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have said well now she becomes an outsider yeah absolutely absolutely and it kind of set
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you know it sets the tone for the whole investigation is she's an outsider now and she's not welcome by the family so
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if she ever had anything of value she just did not feel comfortable in releasing it
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yeah and like George Samaritan she lawyered up and you know it's her right to do that were you ever able to speak
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with Lynn uh I tried to I went to her house uh she lived on Mentor Avenue at the time and
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yeah uh knocked on her door and uh you know left my card and yeah she was she was someone even our lawyer wouldn't
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talk you know it was just you know it was it was shut down and shut up time and uh she has maintained that but I
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mean clearly she was the target of the of the police investigation uh they were really really hooked on this love
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triangle aspect and uh so much so in fact that perhaps um they didn't see the forest for the
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trees and that there was you know something else there that they were missing how much was George and Lynn looked into
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and I read that they may have Loosely involved the FBI in this investigation they involved the FBI you know so I
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wanted to talk about some of the the techniques I think that they that they used that were pretty unusual too and
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maybe you got these ideas from the FBI I don't know um but there was word that they had uh
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retained the services of a female agent or or a confidential informant to endear herself to George smerrigan
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um yeah it's like you know spot them at a bar and go up and talk to him kind of like uh you see in the Americans uh TV
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show with spies and whatnot so they tried that um they it went so far as to put a tape
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recorder inside of a fishing tackle box and place it on the gravestone of Mr timbrook with the with the hope that
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Lynn would come there emotional and spill her guts and they would capture that in a recording so they were trying
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I mean that goes to the extent of the unique tactics that they were trying to to
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employ here to get some sort of break you know and they held grand jury hearings too you know and they brought
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in Lynn and George and you know and they took the fifth and you know nothing's ever happened
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Phil you referenced the 1992 and then the 1994 Grand Jury proceedings where they bring in Lynn they bring in
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Georgian a bunch of other people as well trying to get them to talk and get clarification as to what happened and
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what these individuals may know now in the papers after the 94 proceedings we have we have Stephen latorrett the
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prosecutor who is on record stating time and time again that we are one piece of
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information away from solving this case that an arrest is Within Reach we just need one more piece of the puzzle now he
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says that we have followed up on leads over the course of two years and every single time that information is leading
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them back to a small group of people which he says again on the record is either two or three people a small group
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of people that have information in this case that they are keeping to themselves
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information that could break this case wide open and when we have the process executor saying that we have two or
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three people small group of people you have to wonder inside of that two or three people does that include Lynn Does
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it include George it doesn't have to but if it does then who is the third person
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did they look into the developers Jerry and Mike Osborne and Jim Brown who according to the prosecutor
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says that CT Consultants had an engineering contract with these developers specifically with this
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Hunting Hills area yeah they did look at it you know the Osborne I mean they're just as well
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known as CT Consultants out there in Lake County I mean they're a large wealthy family
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um you know the third person could also be like a higher up who gave the the okay for for this to happen if you
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believe the theory of uh of you know political corruption that's going on um it's hard to say like is George are
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George and Lynn intimately involved in the in the shooting or or do they know perhaps the real reason why this
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shooting happened maybe it wasn't a love tranquil in fact maybe it was this you know the fact that George or that the
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Pembroke wanted to reveal some sort of uh nefarious conduct that's taking place um
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it's hard to say and it but you can't underestimate the the knowledge that George and Lynn must have
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you know and and it's you know it's troubling but they are the key Witnesses um where we left off in our timeline the
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police had released to the public the composite sketch of the suspect driving away from the scene or a man seen in the
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area possibly even speaking with Raymond Tim Brook the burning question on everyone's mind here Phil is in your
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opinion does this composite sketch look like George samarigen no no that's what struggled because George didn't really
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look like the guy so that led to the Hitman Theory you know that uh well George Lord I'm there but then instead
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of George being there that it hit me [Music] welcome back mini twists interns cheers
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mates here I sit twisting and turning with you Captain cheers to everyone out there thank you for joining us
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this week in the garage in December of 1992 the prosecutor in this case announced that there was a 25
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000 reward for information in the case and the reward money was put up by Tim Brooks own family as well as the company
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that he worked for CT Consultants later that same month is when we had the first
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attempt by prosecutor Stephen letourt who takes this case to the grand jury you heard Phil talking about that
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briefly earlier they're trying to squeeze information out of everyone involved specifically George and Lynn
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unfortunately that does not lead to charging a suspect in this case then on the 28th of December 1992 timbrook's
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fiancee Lynn egansperger a former co-worker at CT Consultants is called to testify before the Lake County grand
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jury a little more detail into what we were just speaking to police and prosecutors refused to say what if
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anything they gained from her testimony and we learn then that since then egansperger has left the company CT
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Consultants that brings us now Captain to March 14 1993 in our timeline this is a year
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after the killing police maintain that they are only a few crucial pieces of evidence away from solving the slang
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they set up an office inside of CT Consultants several months ago to try to glean information about Tim Brooks
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business life here is where we start to see in my opinion Captain the first portion
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of the shift from possibly the love triangle angle in this case to possibly his murder is more business related and
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that's where the lines get very skewed very quickly and there's a whole lot of gray area out there right because it
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seems like Kirtland Hills PD thought that this might be easily solved in the early
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get-go that there's a love triangle situation here and we have a jealous former lover or a current lover that
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attacks and kills the other man in the picture the problem here though is it's also incredibly very likely that while
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it's generally considered to be somewhat public knowledge or at least knowledge around the office that George and Lynn
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did in fact have some type of relationship it's also entirely possible that that
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relationship was over with over said and done and there was no ill will no jealousy involved once that
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relationship was over right and once we have Rey who is now removed from his marriage he is pursuing his relationship
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with Lynn taking it to the next level maybe George didn't care about that maybe this love triangle thing seems a
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little too obvious and the reason why that it gets all mixed up and mashed together with everything else he's
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co-workers with both of these individuals so his murder could just as much be about business as it is his personal
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life and and given what I've seen about this guy I actually lean to toward the idea that this is much more business
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related much more CT Consultants related than it is with his relationship with Lynn and his co-worker George we know
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that Raymond was so supposed to meet George we're assuming at some point George met
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Raymond out there but we have this eyewitness that is basically identifying another individual and that's where I
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think it gets pretty cloudy well and and to take that a little bit further and make it even more cloudy here captain
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we should not assume that George met with Raymond out there that day right and the the reason being is that we have
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heard a couple of different versions of that story one being that that George says yes I was supposed to meet him but
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never went and that he had an alibi or others saying that he never went to that location on that day right there are
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others that are saying that but it's also totally possible that people got mixed up on who he was supposed to meet
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out there or did Raymond did Raymond just happen to use George's name because he didn't want to tell
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other people who he's meeting out there that brings up yes a whole other long list of questions the thing too that we
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want to keep in mind as well is that as much as it may appear that George may have asked him had in fact asked him to
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meet him out there that day there's also the chance that someone else said hey you should go or you need to go meet
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George at this location at this time what we don't have the information that we don't have is who told him to meet
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George there that day was it George or was it someone else right because the information we do have is the secretary
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saying Raymond timbrook told me he was meeting George at that location that afternoon yeah very fascinating and then
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as we said earlier Captain this thing went before the grand jury twice and unfortunately again in 1994 when
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they brought it again for the second time to the grand jury same situation we don't have any information that comes
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out of that we don't have the prosecutor that tells us anything what did they learn during the second proceedings and
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was it any different than the first we're not told we're not privy to that information what
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we do know that happens is there are still no charges brought against anyone after the 94 Grand Jury
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proceedings Juan what's scary about this case and you know reviewing it compared
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to other cases law enforcement is telling the public hey we're one piece away and we've been hearing that for the
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last five years in the Delphi case and obviously this Raymond Timber case is 30 years cold
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Brian timbrook was Raymond timbrook's oldest son and he was set to graduate the year that his father was killed
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Brian for you all these years later what does this case mean to you and the state
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of the case mean to you I watched all these Dateline Cold Case Files stuff like that
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and to have cases you know solved after 5 10 15 20. a matter of fact I just saw one that was solved after 35 years
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um but to to have I guess you could say to have two people that were co-workers of my father
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Lynn Egans burger and George smerrigan to lawyer up right off the rip we're the only two
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and still to this day have not been held accountable um or been truthful because Lynn was subpoenaed by the grand
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jury twice and was uh LED was untruthful but there wasn't enough evidence to to go proceed any farther
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what is uh your recollection of the crime scene or the condition that your your father's car was in at the time was
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it it was an impress teen condition or was uh their broken glass there was no broken glass no windows down car was
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running um obviously the way all the windows had to be in there if he got burns on his
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legs because um they couldn't do any fingerprinting on the hood because obviously they were in the hood or not
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the hood the trunk they couldn't do it they had smeared Prints but because of the salt and the
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the it was March 13th you know how it was snowing so you got the salt dust and all that stuff on there so they could
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not get and I don't think DNA was that big of a a thing I don't think Chief Smith
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was that good of a a police chief to to handle this because you watch some of these
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files I mean they go to they go like a needle in a haystack I mean they'll get down on hands and knees and microscopes
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and and magnifying glasses and pull hairs and and you know so it's it's just bad
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it just really baffling it's because you know they had they had the vehicle there
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um and with the weather being the way it is I'm sure that that guy was outside his door my dad was talking they were
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talking outside behind did with something in the trunk maybe Prince or something like that
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and then he went to go into his the car the guy followed him behind and that's where
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where it happened and then for no gun to be found um no shell casing the answers
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that you're seeking about your father's murder do they lie with one person or as
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the prosecutor was saying back in the early 90s that we believe we have a small group of people
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um I I think more there's more than one more than one more than two I think there's many people that know
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what truly happened um you know like I said George smerrigan was the the co-worker that he was
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supposedly going to meet at The Hunting Hills subdivision and he was the one of them that lawyered up
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and then an odd coincidence Lynn Egans Burger who announced herself as my dad's fiancee to
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the family well basically to the world at the funeral for my father her and George had a relationship prior
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and she lawyered up right off the rip and was found untruthful twice by the grand jury but with the double
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jeopardy you can if you don't have enough evidence you're not going to waste your time on it and
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You Know Chief Smith my my uncle hired private investigators and ex-fbis and chief Smith wouldn't have anything to do
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with that because he wanted to solve the case himself shortly after my dad's murder
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Kirtland Hills gets an upgrade and an addition on their police department but Brian who are people to you that are of
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interest to you and direct regard to your father's case maybe people that haven't been named
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so much in the papers there's so many people that could be involved I mean my dad was working on
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Lost Nation Road uh widening project you got Osborne you got CT you know I think
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Osborne got in trouble because they were burying the old lines and sewer systems when
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they needed to come all the way out there was a uh the chaplain uh Troy Elam I would do my dad's benefit dinners he
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would do the invocation um before we would eat and he was a Lake County Sheriff um
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he we had we were members up at the Elks and he came back here after some cocktails and we were sitting here
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talking about my dad's case and um you know he had said that I'm not gonna let I'm not gonna give my side what I know
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unless I'm subpoenaed but I will tell you this that Chief Smith La Tourette and Dan Dunlap will
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run between the two with their tails between their legs well lot threat's no longer with us
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we got Charles Coulson now and I have never once from day one have never got a call
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from them never got a call from any of my dad's co-workers that I knew ever to this day
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I've reached out because it's a couple people said that and this uh Steve Hayes brought up this and said
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Osborne's right hand man knows who did it so I reached out to the FBI left a message never got a response from them
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another friend said that supposedly I heard that they found the gun in Youngstown that killed your father
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I called the ifbi nobody called me back I mean it's just like hey we don't want to we don't want to do
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anything about this we just there's no point and it's it's not right it's it's not right
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how often do you look at the suspect composite sketch every year every year around this time
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does it look like anybody you know I I've always said and the other people have said that it kind of vaguely
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resembled George but you know how you know back then it's nothing like it is now with the with you
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know how our forensics are the science is so many people knew my dad and if if that face or
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you're driving to drove down Mentor Avenue and saw the billboard that said Justice for Raymond confessed repent or
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just go to hell it's it's sad because there's so many people out there that that could have just a
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snid bit of something that could become something and help something help us that's all that are Mighty the rest of
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what love is left of my family's asking for sometime after Ray timbrook's murder his
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family created the Rays of Hope Foundation and Raymond timbrook's memory the foundation has been spearheaded by
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Tim Brooks sister Susan timbrick freeze it assists the families of violence victims and has helped pay for funeral
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costs and even bought a canine Officer for the Lake County Sheriff's Office later there was a billboard that was put
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up to remind the community about the murder and remind the murder about the murder as well seeking information in
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the case and the billboard read Justice for Raymond murdered 3 13 92. Raymond timbrook son brother father friend to
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the murderer scripture gives you definite Direction and few options confess and repent or just go to hell
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and while the foundation Rays of Hope offered hope to the victims of other violent crimes the billboard was unable
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to lead to the arrest of a suspect in Raymond's case sadly Raymond and Scott's mother Doreen
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passed away before both of them would turn 30 years old and Raymond timbrook's Father Robert who served this great
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country in World War II sadly passed away the age of 84 in 2001 and never got to see his son's murder case solved Phil
00:37:01
after covering this case for over three decades and with the anniversary coming up and and
00:37:07
you looking back over that work um what what conclusion have you come to I honestly I've come around
00:37:17
um to the fact that I don't believe that it has anything to do with Lynn or George and the love the alleged love
00:37:23
triangle I I think that was a diversion um that cost law enforcement valuable time uh I am of the belief and so are
00:37:34
several people very intimate with the case uh I am of the belief that this was business related that
00:37:43
Ray had come across some information um about some corruption involving his company and local government uh like
00:37:54
bribes and work projects that uh you know had to be redone and I'm talking about the Lost Nation Road Project there
00:38:02
and uh in Willoughby a massive multi-million dollar uh reconstruction project by the airport
00:38:10
there that was done and then redone and uh there is that's the one angle and talking to my law enforcement sources
00:38:19
who have talked to people uh in power they don't believe that they want this case solved they don't want to
00:38:27
open um that box and because it will hurt a lot of people if the truth was ever told
00:38:35
um and these are you know these are not conspiracy type cops these are seasoned detectives who work the case in later
00:38:43
years and came away with that conclusion and um higher ups just don't want to go down
00:38:50
that road um it sounds you know uh like a conspiracy theory but you know I it just it does make more sense I
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think than than some you know love triangle among three co-workers who are all single and you know I I don't see a
00:39:07
motive there like where someone's gonna kill somebody over you know a woman in that kind of fashion
00:39:13
you know that's more of a calculated type hit you know whereas love usually involves
00:39:20
like crimes of passion and sudden rages um this was clearly a orchestrated planned hit
00:39:30
and you have to ask yourself why and is he getting murdered over Lynn or is he getting murdered over something that he
00:39:38
had promised to go to police about and some corruption that could uh put Rich wealthy people or politicians in
00:39:47
prison that to me makes more sense but therein lies the trouble and the problem with this case it's not so cut
00:39:56
and dried now is it Phil it's not a situation where you can just fall on one side of the fence or the other that it's
00:40:03
either directly related to George and Lynn or it's directly related to business because George and Lynn are all
00:40:10
wrapped up in CT consultants and all wrapped up in Raymond Tim Brooks business and therefore that makes it
00:40:18
quite confusing because it could be one or the other or it could be both now I agree with you Phil and the way that
00:40:26
you've kind of molded and adapted your thoughts and theories on the case over the years and
00:40:33
I certainly think that this is much more business related and that it was a hit and it had to do with shutting him up he
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had information he was the man that Knew Too Much and that scared some people and
00:40:46
probably could have cost people lots and lots of money or their jobs and somebody wanted to shut Raymond
00:40:53
timbrook up and they did and unfortunately we sit here 30 years later still wondering who was the trigger man
00:41:00
and who is responsible if in fact somebody was hired to kill him now my other problems that I have with
00:41:09
this case my other big problem I have with this case lies with CT consultants and Raymond Tim Brooks co-workers people
00:41:18
that chose to be quiet people that probably had information people that could in some way help the investigation
00:41:26
but chose not to and this includes Frank Federico and his posturing during the course of
00:41:35
the early stages of this investigation I've reached out to Frank he doesn't want to reply he doesn't want to make a
00:41:42
statement on this case the other big problem I have is with Lynn egansperger this is a man that was murdered a man
00:41:50
that you claim to have loved loved enough that you were engaged to be married to him
00:41:56
and when the worst happened to him and his family his children you don't step up with answers you don't as you don't
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cooperate in the investigation it's not too late it's never too late to come forward with information
00:42:12
and the family is the one that's hurting the most you don't have to talk to law enforcement you can speak
00:42:19
with Raymond's family and offer them answers Brian after 30 years of your father's case being unsolved do you have
00:42:29
any hope for this case I will always have hope because if it ain't found if the person ain't found guilty in the
00:42:45
court of law God's going to have his way and I slowly every day blue is a little bit of Hope but I'll
00:42:59
never completely lose it ever tomorrow being the anniversary is just gonna be a a real tough day Brian
00:43:14
what keeps you going I want answers my wife my family my friends my work I've I paid the price
00:43:33
in a lot of bad ways for this but I can't use it as an excuse it's time for me to be able to put this
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