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impunity it only inspires other bad men to do the same so how many bad men has the Hammerman
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inspired this week we profile a killer who surely has inspired many urban legends especially those terrifying
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urban legends about young women getting into cars with strange men the Hammerman did not care for his
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fellow man he did not value human life and he hated women he saw women as something to
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be used up destroyed and discarded he only valued his own life and his own Freedom so that he could
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take away yours he was a Savage killer then he was The Hitcher and then he became the want ad
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killer he was called so many things during his time of catching and killing many called him the devil one
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to make sure he was dead that was Chief investigator Russell J Krueger Minneapolis
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PD this is the True Crime Story of a career Criminal a real life monster an American Nightmare this is the story of
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the Hammerman and this is true crab [Music] [Applause] [Music] garage [Music] it was just a little over 50 years ago
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it was May 2nd 1973 a Wednesday evening in Seattle Washington when Mrs Miller a single
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mother of one was starting to get worried Mrs Miller came home that Wednesday to an empty house her daughter
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Katherine Su Miller must have still been out with some friends it was unlike her to not be home when
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her mother arrived but Cathy Sue was 15 years old she was growing up and she was
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just 3 weeks away from her 16th birthday Mrs Miller knew Kathy Sue not only had a
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gaggle of friends but she had a boyfriend as well this is a very innocent type of relationship a very
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young relationship the two were really more friends than traditional boyfriend and girlfriend heck the two had not even
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really reached the stage of puppy love yet Kathy must be out with her boyfriend mom thought they were often together
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walking and talking in the neighborhood or perhaps she was with some of the neighborhood girls but still it was
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unusual but nothing to be concerned with and being a single mother one tends to stay busy and busy can easily distract
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one's heart and mind Mrs Miller went about her evening preparing things for tomorrow and getting dinner ready for
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her and Kathy but that is when it set in the worry the not knowing maybe some mothers would be angry thinking that the
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teenager had simply decided to not play by the household rules or was just outright defying her mother but not
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Kathy Kathy was a good kid who grew into a good teenager and she was no no trouble at all for the single mother but
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still it sets in Mrs Miller walked the dinner plates over to the table and sat them down it was 7:00 p.m. and there was
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no sign nor word of her daughter Mrs Miller didn't take a bite she didn't wait for the hot dinner to get cold
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instead she turned from the table and walked over to the telephone hanging on the kitchen wall the little notepad on
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the small table next to where the phone on the wall was had several phone numbers for some of the other girls the
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same age as Kathy listed in the notepads Pages Mrs Miller started calling those numbers most of the girls or at least
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their parents were easily reached but unfortunately none had seen Kathy after school that day unsure of what to do Mrs
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Miller sat down at the kitchen table and began to question herself should she call the police or should she just wait
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maybe Kathy had lost track of time and would be home any minute now then Mrs Miller remembered an ongoing
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conversation between her and her daughter a conversation that the two did not see eye to eye on and it was so rare
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that the two did not agree that now she was starting to think of course this is why she had not come home and why had
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she not thought of this before well their disagreement was a simple one she saw a one ad in the paper for a job she
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wanted to apply for and her mother didn't want her to apply for that job that's right Kathy Sue expressed to her
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mother just two days prior that she wanted to get a job so it's May and the school year would be out for the summer
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very soon and remember Kathy is just three weeks from her 16th birthday and some of her 16-year-old friends were
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starting to work at jobs this is mostly stuff near their homes very part-time work Kathy's boyfriend too he had a job
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but he also wanted another job for the summertime and the two had spent some time perusing the One ads together in
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the News Tribune Kathy and her mother's disagreement was about a particular job opportunity Cathy's mother thought that
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the arrangements for this job interview were not entirely kosher just a day prior Kathy showed her
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mother a one ad for a gas station attendant job Kathy had called the number listed and spoke with the owner
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of the gas station he said that he needed to hire someone fast and he needed Kathy to come into the gas
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station as soon as possible as soon as she could for an interview and to fill out any tax forms that would be required
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Kathy said that her mother wouldn't have time to take her until the weekend the owner suggested that she waited for him
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at an intersection this would be not too far from her home and after school on that Wednesday and that he would come
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and pick her up so that she would have a ride he's going to provide the ride to her back to the gas station where they
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can talk they can do the interview and she can fill out any of the necessary paperwork but this is not a normal
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request not at all and Kathy's mom was hipped to that she told Kathy told her mother about the arrangement and she
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told Kathy no she did not think that it was professional and that she is not to be getting into cars with a man for
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which both of them had never met good advice Kathy's mom then remembering all of this Springs into action jumps up
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from her chair at the kitchen table and she went looking through the house she's
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looking for the old newspapers yeah the one ads and finally she located the section of
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the newspaper that her daughter had shown her previously so she found the circled want ad for this gas station job
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that Kathy had shown to her Mrs Miller picked up the phone she dials the number listed for the gas
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station Mrs Miller called the phone number and a man answered she asked for her daugh
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she told the man that she was aware of an arrangement for her daughter to be picked up by someone and she knew that
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the meeting was to be sometime after Cathy's school day Mrs Miller asked if the man had seen her daughter Kathy or
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perhaps even picked her up that day this man this business owner tells the mother
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well I did talk to her but I didn't pick her up yeah he says I remember talking to the girl girl and he even says I
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wrote her name down and then pauses for a second and says Katherine Miller right
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and she says yes that's my daughter's name have you seen her and the man says that he agreed to pick her up near her
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home he goes on to tell Mrs Miller that he drove out there however once he got to the location her daughter wasn't
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there he doesn't know where she could be he said he waited for a few minutes but
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he was far too busy to be just waiting around for too long and so after a short while he drove off and he hadn't seen
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the girl at all the phone call did not last much longer okay Mrs Miller is near full
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panic mode now and after she hangs up the phone Captain the next call is going to be to Kathy's
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boyfriend and this is not going to make Mrs Miller feel any better about her late and missing daughter
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so she's sitting down to dinner waiting for daughter to come home she remembers this job interview and now Mrs Miller is
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on the phone with Kathy's 15 16year old boyfriend and this is a kid from the neighborhood that Mrs Miller has known
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for a long time right so she trusts this kid and she ask the boy have you seen Kathy she was hoping that the two were
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just hanging out somewhere but keep in mind when the when these two hung out they were typically out in the
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neighborhood walking and talking together right and so just the boy being home is not going to feel very good to
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Mrs Miller it's not a good sign no cuz her daughter Kathy doesn't go and hang out at his house so the boy does have
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some information he tells Mrs Miller and a little bit shamefully so because he knew
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that Kathy was not to take this appointment and he says look I went with your daughter to stand on the corner
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there and wait for the guy to pick her up and he tells Mrs Miller he says look Kathy knew that she wasn't to take the
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meeting but she really wanted the job for the summer and she thought that you wouldn't be mad if I went with
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her however this kid had a paper route and remember we've talked about this on the show plenty of times but back in the
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day they delivered papers in the morning and oftentimes in the evening as well people love their news you got to get
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that evening newspaper so what's the boyfriend's story to Mrs Miller he says he went with Kathy to the corner and she
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filled him in on all the details this guy's going to pick me up remember he tells Mrs Miller that Kathy knew she
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wasn't to go but if he went with her maybe she wouldn't be upset with her so he agrees to go with her however at some
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point the man's not on time the card doesn't show up the vehicle doesn't show up so he says to Kathy look you should
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go home I have to go do my paper route unfortunately man he tells Mrs Miller that when I last saw Kathy she was still
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standing on the corner waiting for the gas station owner to pick her up and I went off and did my paper route so
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he's just as surprised as Mrs Miller when he gets this phone call that Kathy didn't go for this job interview or or
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wasn't home at least by 700 p.m. now we're in probably 7:30 7:45 that night this makes Mrs Miller incredibly
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nervous remember she didn't want her daughter to go meet this guy in the first place and
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now her daughter's not home and she's already spoke to the guy who says he's the gas station owner who says yeah I
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went to pick her up and she wasn't there so Mrs Miller of course calls the Seattle Police Department and reports
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her daughter as missing tells the story the Seattle Police Department they do take a report now what they do with the
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report that evening is anyone's guess it's a mystery it's not well documented what took place
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if they went out driving around looking for her or just put out an APB for her uh I would guess that those are probably
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some efforts that were taken that night but what we do know is keep in mind this
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is the 70s and where we might feel like that was not enough effort put onto this
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scenario often in the 70s man they didn't even take up a report a missing report for a
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teenager or a youngster until they had been gone for 24 hours some jurisdictions were even doing 48 hours
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right because you had so many kids that just weren't where they were supposed to
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be they end up coming home after dark they get yelled at by Mom and Dad that may be grounded for a couple of days and
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that's the end of it and you've just wasted the police's time but in this situation at least they take the report
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now this is going to have quite the domino effect because these reports while we don't know what was
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done with it that evening they are handed off to the higher ups when they come in for the day shift the next
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morning right the higher ups in this situation are detectives so now we have to introduce to everyone detectives Dwayne
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Holman and William Bowman hullman and Bowman the two of them read the report follow up with a call to Mrs
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Miller they think that it sounds suspicious enough that they're going to go out and investigate they don't think
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that this is a a runaway situation and if it is wonderful the kid comes home and everything's fine
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well either the businessman is lying and he's responsible or the possibilities then
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become endless because she's at the corner of a decently busy intersection exactly so they go out to
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the gas station to talk to the man that was on the phone and when they get there
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they meet a person that is described as a large man he's about 6'2 200 lb and his name is Harvey Lewis
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kman now Harvey is the gas station owner and this gas station is very successful
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so he has attendants and cashiers working for him most of them are of the teenage years a lot of you know teen
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boys teen girls and he tells the officers he says look I was really hoping to to hire a boy but when I got
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the call call from the girl I needed the help so I told her I would take the interview he tells the officers
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detective Holan and Bowman the same story that he told Mrs Miller the prior evening we had an arrangement for me to
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pick her up so she could fill out the tax paperwork it it sounds like she was getting the job just by calling like the
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the interview was more of a formality and that they would be filling out paperwork so that she could start asmp
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and so he's telling them this story but what the detectives are noticing right away Captain is that this dude does not
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seem to be responding very well to their presence he starts sweating profusely he
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looks incredibly nervous oh he's a big man it's a big man and it's summertime it's hot out there it's hot in the hot
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tub during some of the questioning and they're not even getting very suspicious with they're not overly obvious with
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their suspicions they're not really accusing him of anything at this point they're simply
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asking him questions and they say that not only does he appear to be sweating nervous but at some of the questions he
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becomes angry and agitated when they're repeating their questions yeah douche canel however they see no reason
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to further question this man there's no indication that Kathy ever was picked up
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by this guy they don't have any Witnesses saying that this guy picked her up they have his story the same
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story that he said the night before they don't know that everything fully checks
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out but they leave the interview still suspicious of this man but with nothing really to go on to finding Kathy that's
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that's their main number one concern right now is where is this girl so this business owner Harvey he's telling her
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mother yes I I spoke with her I just never picked her up the cops go out to talk to him he becomes a sweaty
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mess and so when they go back to the station look he he he he gave law enforcement some red flags so what are
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they going to do they're going to look up his past criminal history I think we need to give a little Kudos here now
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this seems like standard procedure today but back then 1973 not so much this guy
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must have appeared to be nervous enough that it set off some red flags for the two detectives and as you said Captain
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they get to the station they do a background check on Harvey Kagan and what they see in that background check
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and lucky to have you now Captain we have to go back in time here because what we have is our two detectives they
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just come from this meeting with the gas station owner Harvey KGAN that leaves them feeling a little
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unsettled they have a missing girl she's not even been missing for 24 hours yet about 16 hours by this time last scene
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hanging out with one of her friends waiting for a ride after school the previous day yeah then
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they go talk to this guy that claims that he did talk to her on the phone and was going to pick her up but she just
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wasn't there and he's a little sweaty he's a littlewey so now they have to figure out okay is this guy lying to us
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because he looks nervous when we talk to him or or does he just have a heart condition or did he do as he say went to
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go pick her up and she's not there he doesn't know what happened to her now us the detectives got to figure out if
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somebody else picked her up right so back at the station they decide to run a background check on Harvey KET now I
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want to point out here this guy he is kind of oddl looking we already referenced that he's a larger
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man oddly sheap feet but he's also the type that he's easy to talk to and he's a successful local
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businessman his gas station in Seattle was a success we should point out too don't
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don't get overly jealous here people but back then regular gas 35 cents a gallon
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wow the Primo stuff 39 cents a gallon oh Fancy Pants that's right so he's pumping
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more gas his gas station is selling more gas than the others in town so he's a a
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successful small business owner they don't feel other than the nervousness and the sweating that he has
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any reason to tell them anything other than the truth but this but he is um I would consider him to be fugly you're
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not the only one yeah so our friend and Rule rip she described him and I like when we
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have a a a respected lady describing a man rather than us two garage guys I'll tell you the truth I tell you I tell it
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like a see it she referred to him as a huge man with hands like hams a brow that resembled that of a
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latterday crow magnum man which I think looking at his picture that description is pretty
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spoton so they run a background check on Harvey KGAN and what they find is a plethora of troubling items in this this
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dude's history yeah the one detective asked the other one does it look like he has a plethora of criminal activity he
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does and not not any like smalltime crime either so let's go back in time and we're going to go back to
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1948 so this is just a little under 25 years before 15-year-old Kathy Sue Miller goes missing
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1948 Harvey Kagan is 21 years old he's in the Army now I do want to point out here there are some sources that say he
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was in the Air Force most say he was in the Army I could not figure out between the two which one it was my guess is
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neither branch of our military service wants to claim this guy he stationed at Fort Richardson in Anchorage
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Alaska now on July 31st 194 9 this is this is after he's been there for some time
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obviously there's a woman Laura schalter 57 years old she's walking home that's a
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Sunday night she's walking home from the theater she doesn't make it home that night the next morning that Monday
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morning a woman's brutally beaten body was found the cause of death was due to several blows to the Head Now by that
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Monday afternoon C police have a man not under arrest not charged with anything but they have this
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man at the station and he is being question about his possible involvement in this woman's murder the body was that
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of Laura schalter it took a few days to identify her but not a few days to have a suspect they very quickly land on a
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suspect and why how do they land on a suspect so quickly well law enforcement has an
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eyewitness yes and this is a very odd story I think so odd that the police have to believe the details of the story
00:31:08
so they find this woman unfortunately horrible situation having been beaten to death found in a public location right
00:31:19
so they canvased the area and one of the persons who was walking home that night
00:31:26
the previous night the Sunday night says to the police yeah that's weird that you found
00:31:33
that body this was like a park type setting he says I was walking home last night and the same spot where she is
00:31:42
lying where you found her body I saw her lying with a with a guy and they look like they were being
00:31:50
romantic they look like they were maybe on a date and it was getting a little hot and heavy right and he goes so I
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kind of look away because I didn't want them to be embarrassed or think that I was peeping or anything like that but it
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was on my way home I saw the two of them I thought they were making out I continued on and went to bed didn't
00:32:09
think anything of it now you find a woman in that same spot now he could not tell the detectives with 100% certainty
00:32:18
that the woman they found is the woman that he saw because he said he saw more of the man than the
00:32:25
woman he's kind of feeling in the blanks right sometimes you see this stuff and you fill in the blanks a little bit but
00:32:31
the blanks that he was not filling in was the description that he gives of the man and he says the man clearly was a
00:32:39
younger soldier in his early 20s um and he gave the description of this man he says he was a larger white
00:32:49
guy probably about over 6 feet tall around 200 lb he had the mutton chops right the very long
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sideburns and that's about the best description that they can get that he can provide however there's some really
00:33:07
good clues in there over six feet tall is above the average height for a male back then so that shrinks your suspect
00:33:17
pool very quickly there shrinkage on top of that he's able to say this guy's a younger man he's in his early 20s right
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he's a soldier I Believe by the way that he was dressed that he was probably a soldier and then the mutton chops on top
00:33:32
of that so we're shrinking the the pole pretty quick very much there was significant shrinkage as they say yeah
00:33:39
while the water was cold so they go around canvasing the area and of course they're going to go to the base there
00:33:49
that Fort Richardson's right and they want to start looking for a guy that would fit that description they ask a
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around they find a guy so they bring this guy in and he's very nervous sweating a lot
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sweaty he's answering their questions but he appears to be incredibly nervous now they do the old
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police lineup and they bring back in the neighbor and the guy says yeah that one
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right there that's the guy that I believe that I saw with the woman in the park the night
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before the guy's name is Harvey kman of course he is a soldier and they arrest him but they don't have anything to
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really hold him on there's no physical evidence this is 19 49 so keep in mind the detectives are
00:34:47
always behind the eightball in these situations just based off of the lack of Technology therefore the lack of
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physical evidence all they have is this guy saying I'm pretty sure that that's the guy that I saw with that woman last
00:35:02
night now that sounds like a good case but you take that to court and you get a good defense team and they're going to
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present to the jury well this this man can't even say that the woman that he saw was the murder victim this man can't
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say with 100% certainty that the guy that he picked out of the police lineup is the guy that he saw that night in the
00:35:24
under the cover of Darkness so while this man Harvey caran remains one of those guys that we talk about so
00:35:32
much here in the garage right Captain one of these guys where police go you know what we're pretty sure we're
00:35:38
99.9% sure we know who did this right we just don't have the evidence to lock this dude up
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now we need to fast forward to September 16th 1949 when we have an attempted rape and
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a horrible a brutal attack on a woman named Dorcas Callan so she's attacked and there's an attempted rape assault on
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this young woman thankfully she is able to escape the clutches of her attacker she immediately goes to police
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she tells the police that she was approached and attacked by a drunken Soldier early that
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morning it's like 11:00 a.m. and the soldier who approach her was drunk and she describes this attack as
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he started to bring up some kind of conversation try to have conversation with her that
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was friendly conversation however when she rejected his advances because he's wasted at
00:36:46
11:00 he's wasted at 11:00 and she's probably got places to go it's the middle of the day and so she rejects his
00:36:54
advances and then he becomes violent he just he tries to abduct her tries to attack her tries to rape her and he
00:37:02
physically assaults her now she is able to provide a description to detectives of her as
00:37:11
salent and right away ding dding light bulbs and bells are going off that description is of the same guy that they
00:37:20
talked to back in July July 31st August 1st about the woman found dead in the park
00:37:30
Laura schalter so they very quickly go out and pick up Harvey Kon and it's mostly because of two
00:37:40
factors right one the attack was so similar to the attack and murder for which Harvey was questioned that took
00:37:48
place less than 7070 days prior and the description gave to police in this latest attack where m
00:37:56
Miss Callen survived after having escaped both she and then another independent witness described the man
00:38:04
and his clothing and this too matching the suspect in the July murder case so Harvey Kagan is picked up and he's
00:38:12
question identified in a police lineup by both the surviving victim and the witness from the previous crime and now
00:38:21
this other independent witness so now you have three people saying look that's the guy I think that was with the murder
00:38:29
victim in the park one person saying I was attacked by this man and the other one saying I witnessed him talking to
00:38:36
her before the attack right so they're going to arrest this Soldier Harvey and they're going to charge him with murder
00:38:46
rape and assault yes murder rape attempted rape and assault and at this time Harvey
00:38:53
Kagan is 22 years old and he is in the Army now we get to December of 1949 Anchorage
00:39:01
Alaska Harvey kinan is found guilty in what the papers were calling a rape slay of 57-year-old Laura
00:39:10
schalter after the trial Harvey is sentenced to death and in fact they announce during sentencing and at the
00:39:19
the end of the trial the hanging of Harvey L Kagan age 22 will be held adjacent to the Federal jail on March
00:39:28
3rd between 6: and 8:00 a.m. 1950 so that's very quick from guilty to sentencing to death for back then we
00:39:40
don't experience that today and I don't know if this announcement was meant for this to be a public hanging or what but
00:39:48
it it sounds a little bit like that you know we we've sentenced this man to death and oh by the way mark your
00:39:55
calendars it's it's going to be March 3rd between 6:00 and 8:00 a.m. and here's the location so if we jump in the
00:40:02
DeLorean and go back to the future this is what the detectives are seeing when we have a missing
00:40:11
15-year-old and this guy is saying hey I I yeah I was supposed to pick her up but
00:40:16
she never showed up and this so the detectives have evidence that this guy is capable of anything and everything
00:40:26
evil but if this sentence was carried out then Harvey kin would be like be real says a dead man walking yeah so
00:40:36
what happened there's much more to this story so after the trial as we said he sentenced to death now we get the guilty
00:40:44
verdict but before sentencing Harvey's defense Council requests a new trial the judge denies this and sentences Harvey
00:40:55
to hang the defense Council cited 11 grounds for asking for a new trial including an unfair and impartial jury
00:41:07
saying that the court should have granted a change of venue and because the case was well known and it was
00:41:13
publicized at the time that there was no way that you could have an impartial jury without a change of venue and that
00:41:21
Harvey was convicted mostly on him having confessed to authorities and this part of the story is rather complicated
00:41:28
but I'll do my darnest here Captain to explain it the defense cites that the confession they end up charging him with
00:41:36
the with the murder and with this other attack based off of him confessing they don't have a lot of
00:41:44
physical evidence they have these eyewitnesses who pick him out of a lineup but the whole conviction and the
00:41:51
whole sentence to death is based around his confession he was brought in by by the US Marshals interviewed time and
00:41:58
time again they brought in like a psychologist and doctors and surrounded by all these people and convince him to
00:42:05
tell them what actually happened how do they convince him to to tell what actually happened when
00:42:13
he denied any wrongdoing or any involvement at all initially well the defense CES that the confession
00:42:22
was only obtained due to a quote secret inter ration and promises made by persons at the interrogation to the
00:42:31
defendant and also due to psychological pressures placed upon placed upon the charged individual Harvey
00:42:41
KET so what happens here Captain is that there stating that he was promised Harvey Kagan was promised if look if you
00:42:55
confess we can't sentence you to death we can lock you up for life or put you away for a long time you just need to
00:43:02
tell us what happened get this off your conscience we we won't be able to kill you if you confess well he confesses
00:43:10
they take him to court and then they sentence him to die so what ultimately ends up happening
00:43:18
here is that Harvey and his defense Council they won a new trial on this murder conviction and this new trial
00:43:26
takes place in 1951 on the grounds that his confession had been improperly obtained an officer interrogating
00:43:33
carrian as we said told him he could not would not be executed if he confessed to
00:43:37
the murder right so he gets this new trial and at this trial Harvey's confession the one that was used at the
00:43:45
previous trial to secure a conviction and what would have been would have sealed Harvey's fate with his death was
00:43:52
suppressed and without the confession they they didn't have enough evidence to prosecute so the murder
00:43:59
charge essentially is dismissed thus ultimately freeing Harvey of an early demise right at least one
00:44:09
other source states that the Supreme Court overruled kagan's death sentence due to the officer violations of the
00:44:18
McNab rule but he still had the rape and assault charges from the September attack for which he was convicted and so
00:44:26
he had to continue to serve out his sentence minus the death penalty so he so do we know how long he
00:44:34
ended up serving well he was sentenced to 15 years for assaulting Miss Callen but of course he doesn't serve the whole
00:44:44
time does he you and I have been doing the show long enough and our listeners have been listening loyally long enough
00:44:50
to know that most cases that's a shame where're most cases at least here in Ohio you are hoping that the prisoner
00:45:00
serves out 80% of the sentence now keep in mind we've we've gone through time and time again the problems with the
00:45:10
overpopulation overcrowding of prisons in different states throughout the different Decades of the 20th century
00:45:18
and how it led to the early release of a lot of those inmates well he's sentenced
00:45:24
to 15 years in 1952 he's transferred to alcatra Federal Penitentiary and then Harvey is paroled
00:45:33
in 1960 so he served eight more years after he is transferred to Alcatraz so old uh schwey
00:45:46
Harvey serves about nine years of that sentence 9 years and meanwhile the police know that he's a murderer so once
00:45:55
he's old Harvey moves to Minnesota this is closer to where he is from he he was born in North Dakota well I hope this
00:46:04
comes outright but we see sometimes with criminals that they kind of outgrow this
00:46:10
type of behavior they can age out of violence but that's not what we're going to see
00:46:15
with this man and then on top of that keep in mind how young he is right at this time so he's in his He's
00:46:24
33 when he's paroled he goes to Minnesota and on August 5th 1960 Harvey KGAN is arrested in
00:46:34
Minnesota for burglary assault and attempted rape he's convicted on those charges and sentenced to hold your
00:46:43
breath don't get too excited two and a half years in a Minnesota State Prison wow and then he gets unfortunately he
00:46:53
gets another 286 days I didn't know that they senten you in days in some jurisdictions but he gets another
00:47:02
286 days in federal prison in lenworth Kansas from there he is released on parole and he picks up once again and
00:47:11
moves to Seattle Washington where just eight short months later Harvey Kagan is arrested for
00:47:18
second deegree burglary and sentenced to 15 years in the Washington State Prison
00:47:23
at Walla Wala during this prison stin Harvey uses the resources provided there within to obtain a High School GED
00:47:33
diploma and he takes some college courses of note he takes some criminal psychology courses doesn't seem like a
00:47:41
good idea to offer those he is paroled four years after he gets there this takes us through 1968
00:47:51
Captain we still got five more years until detectives are talking to him about a missing little girl 15-year-old
00:47:58
Kathy Sue Miller where we first started off today's episode well Harvey is going
00:48:03
to be paroled and after he is paroled he meets a lady her name is Sheila Moran yeah and
00:48:11
they strike up a relationship he eventually moves in with Sheila and Sheila's daughter and the two marry
00:48:18
proving that there's somebody for everybody yeah and I'm guessing I'm hoping and praying that Sheila was
00:48:26
unaware of kagan's previous history right because nothing infuriates me more than when I
00:48:34
see a woman with a child allow somebody with a lengthy violent sexual violence to criminal
00:48:45
history into their home yeah because you're not just putting yourself at risk you're putting your children at risk as
00:48:51
well exactly you you might as well just March that child right to the front line
00:48:55
of d mhm so the two meet they strike strike it up they they hit it off they get married now he's living with mom and
00:49:04
daughter but during this time in 1969 he's 42 at this at this point in our timeline he's arrested for a parole
00:49:12
violation and sentenced to serve another year at wala wala now during this time Sheila divorces Harvey carrian and she
00:49:24
states that she is seeking the divorce due to physical abuse suffered by the hands at the hands of Harvey the divorce
00:49:32
goes through he serves his year he gets out it he must be one Charming fellow because to look at this guy you go how
00:49:43
would this dude get a date and then then icing on the cake his criminal history but once he gets out he meets another
00:49:51
woman Alice Johnson very fugly marri's her moving in with her and her two children right we have Little Billy
00:50:02
who's 11 years old at the time in Georgia her daughter Georgia who's 14 one thing we need to point out here
00:50:09
Captain is this brings us to the latter part of 1972 in our timeline and one thing that
00:50:17
is key here and we'll come back around full circle eventually is that Harvey kman he re receives a handful of
00:50:27
speeding tickets during this time period in October of 1972 a young woman 20-year-old Laura
00:50:38
lesle Brock of Bellingham Washington goes missing and she's found rather quickly unfortunately she's found
00:50:47
dead her cause of death is due to several blows to the head and then this will lead us into to
00:50:56
1973 when Kathy Sue Miller goes missing age 15 goes missing early May of 1973 this is The Disappearance that the
00:51:08
police just left the gas station talking to the owner of the gas station where she was going to apply for a
00:51:17
job had an appointment arranged with the owner Harvey kman detectives talk to this man they get back to the station
00:51:25
they run a background check on him that's the information in story form that they find on the guy that they just
00:51:32
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