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[Music] crime so we should probably just jump right into some of the possible theories
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here right so one of the theories that we discussed when we covered the case back in
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2016 was the possibility that somehow Brian did leave the bar without being seen without his friends seeing him
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decides to walk home now mind you this could be 3:00 a.m. on a weekend and this area it's while it's not a bad area it's
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certainly better today than it was back then I wouldn't label it like a crime ridden trouble area however it's you
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know there there are a lot of smart people that say nothing good happens after 2 a.m. and so one of the theories
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that we kicked around when we discussed this was the possibility of and this is a pretty simple theory that he leaves
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the bar and during the course of that six blocks walking home somebody he he's either involved in some type of
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altercation with someone or him walking alone and and I want to point something out here I'm I'm not an expert at
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many things but I am an expert at drinking and I do believe from the footage that I saw of him outside of the
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Ugly Tuna that night I believe him to be quite intoxicated and therefore him being by
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himself walking alone in the dark visibly intoxicated he's an easy target for someone if you just want to rob
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somebody real quick and so one thought and theory that we kicked around was that could this
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have been a robbery that went bad or a fight that went wrong somehow he's killed or snatched up and pulled into a
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vehicle the likely scenario of disposing of the body might be one of the many dumpsters that are throughout that
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entire area so we kicked that around for a little bit when we discussed this case
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in 2016 it seems pretty plausible but again we have the issue of him getting out of
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the bar yeah without knowing where the surveillance uh camera frames are as far as the the the screen you know he would
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have had he almost would have had to have accidentally not appeared in those surveillance uh
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videos but I do I do think uh the chance that he got jumped if he was able to get
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out of there and not picked up on surveillance think I think that's possible absolutely so the scenario that
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you're Pres presing is that he's walked a bit of a distance away from the Ugly Tuna because we have to get away from
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any cameras that are on buildings to pick up any sort of activity involving a mugging or him being snatched up and
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pulled into a car so yeah I could see that happen I could see where someone or some budies would be driving and
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following him briefly before making a quick decision to pull him in the car clearly drunk and we're going to see
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what we can get off of him well and it's also an interesting area too because it's it is a college area it's a college
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town so then things get ramped up I had a buddy that was walking home from a bar
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ends up getting jumped by four guys for no reason they didn't like talk trash to
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him they just got out of the car and fight was on and he lost uh all his front teeth um we also had a friend that
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I went to high school with that was leaving work crossing a street almost hit by a car just kind of says hey guys
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what the hell are you doing those guys turned back around and shot the guy to death and that was on 11th Avenue which
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if you look at Google Maps 11th Avenue and it's pretty close close and this is uh within a few years of that shooting
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so there's those possibilities did something like that happen and then they shoot the guy and put him in a car and
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drive off and never to be seen again because this is a lot of people that are in their early 20s not drinking experts
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going out to these bars drinking and then doing stupid [ __ ] afterwards no gunshots F heard and uh
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you know it wouldn't have the murder weapon if that's what happened couldn't have been a knife either there wasn't
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any blood on the street certainly not in the bar or anything like that well it's
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such a big area and it's so high it's so heavily populated that I think even if there was blood on the street nobody it
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wouldn't throw up any red flags you know what I mean because there's hundreds of
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thousands of people up on campus every week drinking and partying and there's probably puke on every street and
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there's probably puke and piss between yeah behind every uh Alleyway but not blood possibly blood I'm just saying
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that you're saying you're I think what you're saying is that it could go unnoticed right that's what I'm saying
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it potentially could go unnoticed the other thing too is if he's not doing a straight shot walking along the roads or
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sidewalks if you're going to do a straight shot you're cutting through some areas to get from that bar to his
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apartment and I mean it could be as simple as someone follows him into a dark a dark area where he's alone and
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and very much so just wants his wallet you know here you see a preppy looking drunk guy walking in the middle of the
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night by himself that's an easy target to me well I hate to bring up the psychic kids but you know psychic kids
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did a episode on the schaer case and one of the kids were was picking up this vibe that Brian was being watched by
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somebody that was on the balcony of the bar so if you're out on the balcony you could see into the club but like I said
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any corner of the club you're at you'd be able to see everybody and was Brian a little drunk confident and being
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the good time guy and flirting with girls and was there some pissed off guy going man this guy's talking to all
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these girls and you know or he talked to my girl right or right and then you go I
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got an issue with this guy or you know the guy that's too shy to talk to girls and he sees this guy and
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he's angry with him uh cuz I do find we were kind of talking earlier like I find the
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Psychic conversations interesting I don't hold a lot of weight to them but in the conversation with those psychic
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kids they claim that they felt that Brian was at the bar at one point left and came back and we know that to be
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true and that information wasn't out there to the public that that often so the fact that they picked up on
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that I thought was interesting I would have a much easier time swallowing the scenario that
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somebody saw him flirting with all the girls or flirting with his particular girlfriend this like mystery person
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right if there was a a body or some blood or something people and maybe I'm totally wrong about this this this is
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even relatable to anyone who would have picked him up dragged him into a car to mug him like I am I wrong in thinking
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that most people just wouldn't know how to dispose of a body so cleanly you no you're not wrong I mean
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so you're you're now talking about someone who's got the capability to spontaneously kill and also the
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wherewithal to cover it up so so perfectly my original thought would have been that if let's say a group of thugs
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ended up shooting him for some reason or killing him as a result of a robbery having gone bad that the the quick easy
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disposal would be to somehow hoist him up into one of those dumpsters the tricky thing with that is we do know the
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family was searching dumpsters in that area as early as Sunday night Sunday evening and they did a grid search on
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the local landfill right which is something I don't think we were totally aware of or or knew the details of when
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we covered it back in 2016 but the uh the difficult thing with that is you have to wonder could any of those
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dumpsters been emptied on Saturday or Sunday before the search was before they were actively searching for him one two
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there was as Captain points out there was that grid search at the landfill that that did occur and I can't remember
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if it occurred the Thursday or Friday after he went missing or if it was the following week but it was relatively
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soon well again what's Difficult about this too is it's it's a very it's a condensed area but there's a lot of
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dumpsters there's there's a dumpster around every corner yes that's why that was kind of my go-to but but the but the
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thing is for if Brian let's say got out of the bar and walked 15 minutes north he he there wouldn't be enough
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people to check all those dumpsters around that area during the search was there
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any uh result of did we talk about like uh search dogs cab dogs did they they at
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the landfill yeah did they do any searches with dogs in the bar they did outside of the bar regarding the
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landfill search other than it being a a grid search that was conducted by law enforcement with the city's
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help I don't know know much about it other than that and that it occurred relatively soon after he went missing
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okay it might be pretty tough for cadav dogs to work in a dump uh location anyway and there was video footage of
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the uh parking garage right yeah okay because my head immediately went to well he he probably tried to walk back to
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Clint and Meritt this vehicle in the parking garage and then maybe you had somebody pick up in the parking garage
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and and take off with him for some reason but if there's no account video account of him entering the garage then
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I guess that checks that one off the list what bothers me and maybe this is going to come off very arrogant but to
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me the cops are saying we check this and we check this footage and we check the back uh exit footage to me it's I didn't
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check the footage so I don't know it was how well it was checked yeah that's very
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true I mean some somebody missed something somewhere because he's not in the building anymore well I just don't
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understand why you can't say if if you've looked at the footage from the garage the footage from the escalator
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the footage from the the back hallway why not release that to the public other than what Tim was saying is that the
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other patrons of that night to protect them but it's like well who cares you know and and the footage is not like
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the clearest footage in the world anyways well when you walk into a place that has video surveillance you walk by
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a sign that says you're subject to being right to to being uh your likeness is being taped I really think because the
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the main detective retired I believe in January on this case and there's a new detective on the case now and I wish the
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first thing they did was to compile this footage and either put it on a website or to release it onto YouTube for people
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to analyze oh I have a uh kind of a random question I haven't seen anything about
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any drug use for Brian and I don't want to attach a stigma um because we know that can happen a missing person cases
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but was he did he ever dabble in like some kind of upper or speed in order to study I I did see somewhere that he
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stayed up uh all night at times stud and I know that's kind of common and Aderall
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was big back then yeah yeah and and well pills in general during that time were were pretty big so was he taking ader
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roll and instead of just taking it was he sniffing it was he was he a Coke usage I have not heard any rumors about
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this I know he went through a period where he was uh a little more um living the hippie like lifestyle and so smoking
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pot but I wouldn't put put it past somebody that is in school to be a doctor and and
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spending long nights studying and and long shifts and and everything else he had going on yeah to to use a upper I
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wouldn't put it past him but I I don't know if there's any evidence of that or even rumors of it I also just want to
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point out that he was grieving still his mom had died three weeks before so that
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is definitely a period of time in a person's life where they're not really thinking clearly probably not even
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really remembering uh too much of that time so in that in that scenario he's grieving he's got the pressures of
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school he's got the pressures of uh being financially um in debt he's got his maybe his girlfriend that he's
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feeling pressure to marry and in that moment he's drank just enough to say [ __ ] it I'm done I'm walking out of here
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and he chooses to walk away from his life at at 2 in the morning without any indication and and after being wait and
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he's the luckiest man in the world yeah that chose to leave a bar to leave his life and by the way there's no footage
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of him leaving the bar I mean unless he like beautifully orchestrated this elaborate scenario to
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pretend to be that intoxicated analyzed all of the cameras in the neighborhood so bought the plane
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ticket bought the plane ticket to Florida to fool everybody that he was going to Florida voicemail to his
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girlfriend y so that's all playing into his hand he he probably scouted out the area to say I can't walk down that
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street or that street because of these security cameras but I know that I can walk past the construction site because
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there's no security cameras and then he yeah gets into a boat on the Little River and paddles away I mean so even
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him running away doesn't make any sense here's what's tough about some of these cases I mean even look at like the mar
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case one of the things that you you go did did he did Brian schaer analyze all this
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stuff one was he the most lucky guy that decided to go missing on his own accord
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ever or did he plan any of this and it seems so farfetched but then you come back to the idea of well this guy was
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intelligent I mean he was clever so is it possible yes I think it's highly unlikely and same way with like the mara
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case was she clever enough to do that possibly it just seems so highly unlikely that you would
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decide to as you're drinking and hitting on girls to be like H this life is too much I'm going to go away and move to a
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you know some community and and uh meditate all day long yeah it seems very very unlikely and really this the
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surveillance video is is the part that makes it seem the most unlikely to me because again I he he would have had to
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have accidentally been not seen on those surveillance videos there's no way for him to have known what the frame was on
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all those cameras throughout that walk home or in the in that building right but I think again I this contradicts the
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the police but I think it goes back to the security guards telling me how unbelievably easy it would be to leave
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the building and not be seen and if you base everything off of what they're saying then he just left and went home
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we we don't if he let's say he got home he didn't get jumped no robbery he gets home he wakes up the next day and says
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yeah yeah now I'm going to go missing the difficult thing there is we have no activity with ATM and we have no
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movement of his car and nothing's ever been touched as far as his bank account any credit card
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activity correct okay so well so that would mean that if he if he managed to get home and and he
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slept and woke up and the next morning he said well this is going to be the day he would have had to have planned for
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months before to get a new credit card probably under a different name right because if he's that smart to disappear
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then he's going to know that he has to come up with a new identity or he had all those pieces in place was there any
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search of a computer did he ever have any searches on on things like this on how to fake your identity or uh the
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police did take his computer yeah at some point um I don't know what was learned from I don't think there was
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ever a report that I heard that I'm aware of do you know being of anything of concern being on his
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computer right yeah that I I have not heard that either and we do know that the police had his computer and I
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believe they held it for quite some time and eventually released it to Brian's father and I think the family still has
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even though his father's passed the family still has that computer but it seems to me like if there was anything
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interesting or of interest to the police on there they may not have released it um the thing though too that's weird and
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and Captain you really hit on something in the sense of of one thing if if he if
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he chose to walk away be it if it were on purpose that it worked out this way or just on by happen stance it's kind of
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a it's a very theatrical departure one two it would make him the luckiest man to disappear not being picked up on
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camera but if if we could go the opposite direction and say he met with Foul Play somehow well now we have the
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luckiest killer luckiest criminals right the luckiest criminal because now we don't have anything pointing police in
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their direction right and we certainly don't have the public being pointed in any direction because you you if you P
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if you pull the public half of them are going to question the the building and if he ever left the building to begin
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with we had a really interesting conversation last night where we ranked we did yeah a couple interesting
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conversations but we said what's what's more likely with the cases that we have been looking at like Brandon Lawson
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Brian Schaefer Mo Murray and Brianna Matlin which one of those has more of a criminal activity element to it or
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strikes you as having the highest percentage of Foul Play Right which I think that's a great great experiment
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because if if you're if we're going to do this I'm Banna matlin's would stand out as so
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obviously related to Foul Play just due to where her car was found and how her car was found but on the on the contrary
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you could say that that might look like the the highest percentage of a runaway and she's just staging the car to look
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like that so I was just thinking about like how frustrating this case is because it didn't happen in area like
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MOA or Briana or Brandon Lawson those are isolated single person incidents yeah almost in the middle of nowhere
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almost in the middle of nowhere and this is in the middle of everywhere in front
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of a a crowded bar in the middle of a crowded bar and security cameras and there were two police officers there
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right outside of the bar in the building but outside the bar or security people well no there were police officers Poli
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a whole security team that rounds that whole area so here's a little piece of information
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that hasn't not um been released to the public that often this breaking news so the situation where when he goes to eat
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with his father that day that that wasn't some hey let's just get together for lunch that was kind of to get
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together to see if we're going to be able to keep having a relationship so that to me is a little
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strange and then the fact that he was also supposed to hang out with his brother that night now his brother does
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have an alibi they went to the funny bone and with his girlfriend people saw them there and then afterwards they were
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supposed to meet up with Brian and they never did and then they said okay well we're going to go to a bar I believe
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it's in Pickerington and they have a bar there they have a couple drinks there and some people see them there so that's
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kind of their Al by but we were talking a little bit earlier there was money that was going to come to
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Brian his father and his brother from his mother's death not a lot of money but I still
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think that has to be put on the table and that's part of the conversation that has never been but he didn't get the
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money right no he never received the money because he went missing but without Brian the other two remaining
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family members now receive a larger sum because they're splitting they're splitting that sum three ways do we know
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how much I the way that I've heard it reported is that it would have been approximately between 20 to
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$30,000 that Brian would have received so carrying that a step further assuming that it was an even split right um it
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we're talking about you know $80 to $100,000 that they would be splitting now who knows know maybe the father was
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going to receive a larger portion that's not uncommon but the the the tricky thing
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with with this with the events of that day is you can really kind of look at him in a under two different lights so
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one the having a steak dinner with your father planning to have your brother meet up with you afterwards after he
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goes out to the funny bone with with his girlfriend or or friends or whomever calling your girlfriend leaving a very
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nice voicemail hanging out with one of your quote unquote we you we'll use quotes
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there because depending on who you talk to the the relationship between Clint and Brian
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vares but but under this scenario though under this scenario you look at it two ways some people have suggested is that
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him making an effort to have a a final goodbye with the ones that are still close to him right and then there's
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other people that say well could the answer to why Brian is no longer with us be within that Circle within that
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Network so you said that he went to dinner with his father and in Reynoldsburg and that was them having
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sort of a come to terms moment of in regards to their relationship did they have a rocky relationship well it seems
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like they had a decent relationship ship but why his mother was sick I think it came out that his father was seeing
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somebody and it's not clear if his mom knew about that there's I've heard of several cases where somebody gets sick
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and they become terminal and they actually push their spouse or significant other to find a companion
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yeah not the most unusual thing so that's a possibility but so the speculation is that this really upset
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Brian and the money that they were were getting through the mother's death was actually awarded to or not awarded but
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was granted to the remaining siblings and and the father right okay so so how much would it take for a family to plan
00:29:12
to off well I don't know that anybody's saying that's the suspicion I think I think it needs to be on the
00:29:20
table or at least discuss I mean if you're investigating a case like this you have to go every nooking CR
00:29:27
so one thing that would stand out to me if we're like actually investigating it is his brother and girlfriend have aliis
00:29:35
and they plan to meet him later on and they didn't meet him later on that's that's correct right right okay so you
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could have a scenario where they've hired somebody to do something to him and they knew that they weren't going to
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step in this equation that I just think should be discussed and put on the table
00:32:03
that gets often left out is what two years later the father dies in a very mysterious way an incredibly
00:32:13
tragic bizarre accident involving a a tree branch F coming ripping being ripped off the tree in a windstorm right
00:32:22
right and and hitting him and killing him and so then now what is left because the family is this simple
00:32:30
Mother Father two sons so now you have the mom's died the one son's missing then the
00:32:40
father dies mysterious and now you're left with one son and so he's he in turn inherits
00:32:47
everything so maybe the little bit of money that he's going to get from his mother is not that much but you can B
00:32:57
Theo the total that that's been uh a motive in a lot of cases so thinking about Brian knowing
00:33:07
that he was going to get something from his mother's death even further makes me
00:33:12
think that he didn't run away right might as well might as well stay get some money that'll give me a little
00:33:19
relief it's not life changing money but it could be for him for someone that that old you know I can I can start
00:33:25
paying back some of my stud loans even 20 $30,000 that's a pretty significant amount of money especially for someone
00:33:32
that young a lot of those medical loans too will be forgiven because they'll go they can work in hospitals and certain
00:33:39
areas where you know parts of their loan are forgiven and if he planned to run away why didn't he why wouldn't he wait
00:33:45
for the money and then run away because he had money well and what a I mean what
00:33:50
a very nice gesture and what a very nice nod to the legacy of your mother to finish school
00:33:57
right yeah we we she wanted him to she you know she was very proud of of Brian but on the flip side of that um there
00:34:05
could be some relief um if he really didn't want to become a doctor right his mom his father wanted him to do it more
00:34:13
than he did his mom passes away maybe that's a burden off of his shoulders as far as school goes right the very tricky
00:34:20
thing and we were talking about drugs or and and substance abuse stay on this one point
00:34:28
real quick because so like you were saying to to meet up with your father to meet up with
00:34:34
your brother to meet up with a friend that you haven't seen in a while is this a sign of
00:34:42
reconnecting to move your life forward after your mom passed away or is this like you said a sign of
00:34:51
goodbye does does anybody have a feeling of it leaning towards one way or the other no I don't I don't see that as
00:34:58
being something a sign of a goodbye for someone that's smart if he was going to run away this successfully and not a
00:35:06
trace just feels like he would want to make the day he runs away be as average as any other day right and I I think the
00:35:16
same thing too and the speculation that he's trying to reconnect with his father some people could say well he's
00:35:22
trying to reconnect with his father before he leaves but it's like wouldn't it be that the mo wouldn't that be part
00:35:28
of the motivation for you leaving in the first place right right so to me it's it's a it it makes it become a lot more
00:35:36
odd that he goes missing on that day because it seems like he was trying to reconnect to me and wouldn't it make it
00:35:44
more difficult if you're visiting with all of the people that you care about and then you try to reconnect with your
00:35:51
father who you it's the relationship is becoming sort of estranged right and then you're you're connecting with these
00:35:58
people that care about you you care about them you're trying to get back in good graces with your father wouldn't
00:36:03
that just almost make it impossible for you to leave I mean you're trying to make your life better yeah well and I
00:36:09
think that there's very good cause for people to believe that this possibly could be the final goodbye and what what
00:36:18
really sets the table for one to believe that this is a perfect storm because what we have here is the known facts are
00:36:28
we know he's leaving for vacation on Monday morning what is the closest person to him doing his girlfriend
00:36:35
visiting with her family before they leave to go on this spring break trip what is Brian doing visiting with his
00:36:42
father wants to hang out with his brother his brother says that look we we may have drifted apart in our teenage
00:36:49
years in early 20s but but we got closer as mom got more sick we got even closer
00:36:56
after she passed his words are it was almost as if Brian was trying to get tighter with me to help me through this
00:37:03
tragic event that occurred in our lives so we have a situation where it may be what some perceive it to be it may be a
00:37:12
goodbye and some look at it as a final goodbye I think it looks so much that way because it's a temporary goodbye
00:37:19
because he is planning to leave he's planning to leave for a week Y and look I've I've been stressed out I'm trying
00:37:26
to get through school I got I mean it's not easy to be a doctor right what if he
00:37:31
was so I'm told what if he was planning on proposing to his girlfriend during that trip and he wanted to make sure
00:37:39
that things were good with him his family because there's going to be a wedding soon and he wants to make sure
00:37:46
that you know we have a good a good wedding and we have a good a good showing at the wedding with with the
00:37:51
family right and one would argue then we have evidence of him hitting on these girls but I would say look that could be
00:37:58
more due to the alcohol yeah I would say so yeah cuz there and there's just also
00:38:04
some guys and you guys would know this I mean sometimes when you're hanging out with
00:38:10
guys that even are in relationships the start of the evening is f fine and then after a certain point
00:38:18
after their fifth beer or after the six beer they're like let's go find girls and you're like uh you're married or or
00:38:26
you have a girlfriend like what how's this coming over you now it's almost like they couldn't handle their liquor
00:38:33
they're not experts like the colal some guys just like to uh flirt I think though and not take it further right and
00:38:40
that you know and it could have been as as simple as him giving them their number and just thinking I still got it
00:38:48
yes I won't answer the phone when they call me but I still got it have you guys ever heard the story of Christopher
00:38:53
Knight The Hermit in Maine no no so this man he was early 20s I want to say 20 or
00:39:01
21 he just out of the blue one day thought I can't live in this world this this type of world is not for me MH so
00:39:10
it's the middle of Maine and he drives his car down a down a back road and drives it as far into the woods as as he
00:39:18
can before he can't go any further right and then he gets out walks into the woods and he lives there for 27 years
00:39:24
and he he builds his little uh area in between Boulders was he stealing food from the neighboring
00:39:30
houses that's how he was caught he was stealing food from the from the cabins and then there was a um sort of like a
00:39:36
recreation uh almost like a camp that uh would get these shipments of food right
00:39:43
before their season would start so he knew how to break into that place and that's how he was caught after 27 years
00:39:49
his family provided for themselves like they lived sort of Off the Grid they were
00:39:55
very smart they were very smart uh with Agriculture and all of the people like you know it's the middle of Maine so
00:40:01
there was hardly any neighbors but anybody who knew them knew well they keep to themselves and they're nice
00:40:06
enough but we know that they're they want to be off the grid mhm when the when the press and law
00:40:14
enforcement questioned them about uh Christopher about their son they they said what you've never filed a missing
00:40:22
person report and they said no we just figured that he just wandered off that he just didn't want to you know he just
00:40:29
went away right we didn't think that he was like there was any danger and you know and then you look at Brian I keep
00:40:35
thinking of Christopher Knight and how no one really thought that he would just he
00:40:41
didn't think that he would go do it he didn't he he just got overwhelmed at that moment and was like this world's
00:40:46
not for me and he just wandered into the woods and that's where his world was and
00:40:50
he was much more comfortable in there mhm is that is that a possibility with Brian that he was just like you know
00:40:56
it's it's not for me and then he miraculously walks down away from the bar not around any surveillance videos
00:41:05
and that's that just happens to be something yeah that yeah he just locked out right there
00:41:10
well that's the conversation or the speculation and it's a leap and I know it's a leap but here's this guy with a
00:41:19
Pearl Jam tattoo okay around this time you would have known that they're working on the movie
00:41:26
Into The Wild okay yeah you have the book it's about Alexander Super [ __ ] that basically disappeared from his
00:41:32
family and went to live in Alaska and so the idea was and then Eddie veter was going to be doing the soundtrack for it
00:41:40
so there's a there was some speculation again it's this huge leap that you'd have to just assume that he knew that
00:41:47
Eddie was doing this and then he got wrapped up into this book and just went okay I'll just take a off and we we've
00:41:54
had we have seen this happen I I mean there was they made a movie about it you know so but to me that's a pretty big
00:42:02
leap but that guy was found right yeah he ate something poisonous yeah and he was found by died yeah yeah yeah but a
00:42:10
lot of them are not found because they die in the wilderness and then animals get to their body so in that
00:42:17
circumstance did Brian hitchhike somewhere he didn't take his guitar like he didn't take yeah so when they when
00:42:25
they to his apartment there was nothing that the family or law enforcement perceived to be missing from the
00:42:33
apartment or from his car strangely enough though someone broke into that apartment what was it Weeks Later four
00:42:41
or five weeks later right and they police said that by that time they had removed there were still items in the
00:42:48
apartment at that time but they had removed things of value or of interest to the
00:42:54
investigation and they've never caught the person or or know who it was and so a lot of people speculate well that
00:43:01
might have been Brian returning the thing is police have have were very quick to say one the locks were not
00:43:08
changed so if he still had his keys he wouldn't have had to break into his own apartment right
00:43:14
two they firmly believe that it was just uh an opportunist someone that that that
00:43:22
saw on the news read in the newspaper that this guy is missing nobody knows where he is and decided to bust in and
00:43:29
see if there was anything worth taking did they publicize his address I don't know that they publicized his address
00:43:35
but but the I they probably did would be my guess because I don't think they said
00:43:42
the address but I believe they said King Avenue mhm probably six blocks away on King Avenue MH but here here's the other
00:43:50
thing though too then you can lean on the idea of well of course if I if if I'm going to go
00:43:57
missing but all [ __ ] I got to go back to my apartment and get a couple things why wouldn't I break in right
00:44:05
because you don't want to show investigators that you still have your keys I wonder if they they fingerprinted
00:44:11
the door where it was broken into and maybe that's why police think that Brian is still out there somewhere alive yeah
00:44:19
so that's the weird and that again that's all speculation but from people that I've
00:44:26
talked to and I I don't want to put words into Nicholas West's mouth he was a guy
00:44:33
investigating this case but he has always kind of felt that law enforcement believes he's still that Brian schaer is
00:44:42
still alive yeah it does seem to uh to lead that way in my research as well that that police do feel that way I do
00:44:50
want to point out something though too I see that it can be easy for someone to go well we're going to get this lump sum
00:44:57
of money amongst these individuals Brian disappears 2 and 1/2 years later the father
00:45:05
dies I I can see how some people can say on the surface that looks a little strange and a little fishy but I think
00:45:15
we should point out where you could call the death of Randy schaer mysterious or not normal or
00:45:23
whatever whatever words you want to use we should point out that in that very same Windstorm there were five other
00:45:29
people there were five other fatalities so it's not like this is a a very unique
00:45:35
situation no I understand that I just think if you look at this case as a whole you have to put that on the table
00:45:42
doesn't mean that you can't eliminate that eventually I just think it has to be on the table initially the other
00:45:49
thing that this this has not been talked about in The public's eyes is let's look at the players of
00:45:56
that night so we have Brian he eats with his father now we got Brian and his father he's supposed to meet up with his
00:46:04
brother brother's girlfriend so that's a player in the story you have his buddy Clint and Meredith they go to the bar
00:46:12
with then of course you have everybody in the bar but we don't know them let's just
00:46:20
focus on the two girls that he talked to at the bar so we have a total of seven players roughly and one of the
00:46:30
things that they haven't been they haven't talked about and in the public is in Brian's program there was
00:46:39
other people from Brian's program at Ohio State University that were in that bar that
00:46:46
night and we know that that the cops talk to Clint and we know they talk to Meredith and they we don't know what the
00:46:54
answers that they gave but we know whether or not cops believe them to be telling the truth or not but
00:47:02
you have a group of other students he went to school with that were at the bar that night that he went
00:47:09
missing and they have never been talked about and we're going on how many years so I'd really like to know who they were
00:47:18
were they questioned were they cleared reading in an article that everyone who saw Brian that night was
00:47:26
given a lie detector test except for Clint who didn't who who refused it so that would be the two girls that he
00:47:33
talked to and got the phone number I would assume members of the band were given lie detector tests is that for
00:47:39
real like everybody that saw Brian that night I don't think the band was so in regards to when they say everyone that
00:47:48
that saw Brian that night they're Pro they're probably meaning everyone that had like an
00:47:54
interaction with ction or lengthy interaction with him the the what I was able to find was the the two ladies that
00:48:03
he spoke with were can they did Li detector test okay um I believe his father Randy Andi Meredith but not Clint
00:48:13
but not well Clint was asked his attorney and he advised him not to he had already given um he cooperating he
00:48:22
was cooperating but he he had already uh got got an attorney mhm well soon well and he he yeah so the attorney advised
00:48:30
him not to to do the lie detector which is perfectly Fair because I don't know it's not going to if if they don't
00:48:40
consider him a suspect at that point it's not going to you know not make him less of a suspect I guess right but and
00:48:49
and I want to give credit to Nicholas West for really hitting this home because he talked with the family
00:48:54
members because because he thought it was strange that here you have a guy Clint that is cooperating with the
00:49:00
police and showing up to searches and then all the sudden stops conversation with the family and basically lawyers up
00:49:09
and says leave me alone well coming from the uncles they were saying that during the search that
00:49:16
Clint was there after he's already talked to police officers that Randy Brian's father was loud and adamant and
00:49:24
rude towards Clint basically his feeling was that Clint knew more than he was saying but he was being so vocal about
00:49:34
it in a public forum that I think Clint probably went back to his parents and said this is
00:49:40
what happened and his parents probably said you need to lawyer up and I think that's not out of bounds right no not at
00:49:49
all and I don't know what I would do if I was in that circumstance and someone were to ask me to take a light detector
00:49:56
test because what if my heart's beating a little too fast I'm nervous and it's inconclusive it doesn't matter if it's
00:50:02
inconclusive people people look at inconclusive almost as they'll look at you failed but if you say no that stigma
00:50:09
is attached too yeah but mind you but you can never say that it failed right right but mind you that he he did
00:50:16
interviews with the police and still to this day you can submit questions to his
00:50:21
lawyer and that and they would answer some of them I guess well well and to clear something up I may have said
00:50:27
something that is not correct so do you want to point that out well I don't know
00:50:31
if it's the the article or or uh or not but um we should mention it yeah so we're not sure this article says the two
00:50:39
women Brian was seen talking to were identified in 2009 and claimed that they had never been asked to take the test
00:50:46
okay yeah we should put throw that out there just so it to be clear yeah um it's a possibility that either they were
00:50:53
never asked to take a test or the the test was conducted after the the you know after that article was written but
00:51:02
really hard to believe that uh those two women did something to Brian right but here's what we do and that might be the
00:51:09
reason for not asking them to submit to a lie detector test because you you have
00:51:14
video footage of them leaving and maybe you have people to to vouch for their whereabouts and their actions after
00:51:22
leaving the bar the question that speaking of leaving the bar the the big question I have is what were the
00:51:30
intentions of Clint Meredith and Brian after leaving the bar I mean is it as simple as we were going to drop him off
00:51:37
at his house drugs drugs and orgy we were all going to go back to Clint's place we were all going to meet up with
00:51:44
some other people what what was the on the itinerary for after the Ugly Tuna well well here's what we do know we do
00:51:51
know that Clint uh I believe was a TA and and he was watching one of his Professor condos that night and so we
00:52:00
have uh him and Meredith leaving the parking garage and then going to this condo complex where you'd have to enter
00:52:07
in a code well if you look at when they left the parking garage and when they entered the code and you roughly figure
00:52:15
out how fast they were driving and traffic and all that stuff it makes sense like they didn't stop anywhere to
00:52:21
get there and then they spent the night at that condo woke up in the the next day and drove Meredith back to Brian's
00:52:28
place to get a vehicle but what but back to the light detector yes Clint didn't take a lie detector but Meredith did and
00:52:37
Meredith was with Clint the whole time so you know what I mean like if did he just slip out in the bathroom and and
00:52:47
and kill him and then put him in his pocket and then leave and she just didn't see anything I mean I think the
00:52:54
fact that she took a lie to detector clears CL CLE both of them you know what and that could have been uh something
00:53:00
that the lawyer told them like don't like she she she's already Tak she's taken it if you guys are in the clear
00:53:06
don't even don't even introduce the possibility it can only hurt you well let's go back to this idea too and I I
00:53:12
don't know this is a lot of hearsay right but the idea is that Clint and Meredith were
00:53:21
at the teacher condo the next day they go back to Brian's house now their story is basically we just picked up the other
00:53:30
vehicle and we left and went our separate ways the story for a many years was that both of them went into Brian's
00:53:38
apartment and were at Brian's apartment for about six hours the next day yeah okay those are
00:53:46
two way different stories well we did we didn't go into his apartment we just picked up the car and we both went our
00:53:53
separate ways and they both met up they met met each other back up that night so
00:53:59
Clinton and Meredith hung out again that night but the way it's been told by Randy and some other people is no they
00:54:07
actually went into Brian's apartment and they were in his apartment for 6 hours or so and I think those are you know
00:54:16
like I said completely different stories and I think some of the problem and I don't put like blame or
00:54:23
anything but I think some of the problem is like Randy didn't want to admit to the public that his son was drunk that
00:54:31
night like very intoxicated that night and and I think he was looking to point the finger at a lot of people and I
00:54:38
think he was also trying to create super you know fake narratives not in a bad way just because he cared
00:54:47
about his son and and maybe also cared about their reputation as their family is it
00:54:53
possible and it's gonna sound like a joke at first is it possible that Brian knowing that it was April Fool's
00:55:05
Day walked away and hid somewhere to play a joke thinking that he would just be gone for a little bit and got himself
00:55:14
into a bad physical situation maybe he was ducking into something and I'm GNA I'm going to hide out and make it seem
00:55:21
you know I'll pull this sort of prank on my friends right and you know sort of like uh Alisa lamb being found in the in
00:55:28
the water tank well no because I've always wondered this too like you know he was just at a funeral
00:55:35
for his mother comes up with the idea of well who would go to my funeral you know so again it's April
00:55:43
fools let me go missing for 24 hours and just see what kind of buzz it gets you know I know people that have
00:55:52
thought about that before I've thought about that before it's really not the most far-fetched
00:55:57
idea especially when you're under the influence of heavy drinking I didn't even think about him
00:56:05
coming back from his mom's funeral and then thinking I wonder what it would be like for people to miss me I wonder what
00:56:11
that would feel like can we talk a little bit more about the water the uh the the river yeah in
00:56:18
that area how deep was that uh was the water flow would you like to pronounce that theola Tangi I would not like to
00:56:26
Pickerington no isn't the scota by there yes well they they intersect at some point yeah they intersect a little
00:56:33
further south I think yeah from where he was but uh yeah I guess so so what about
00:56:39
that the river that was closest to him so regarding that this was this was searched and per the family and per
00:56:46
someone that worked close with the family and uh Searchers and law enforcement the the the reports that
00:56:56
that I've seen state that the water was searched extensively to the point where I think
00:57:02
it's his uncle that's on record saying he's not in the water he never was in the water right and and he's saying that
00:57:09
I believe again I believe it's the uncle he's whoever said that it's because they were they were part of this
00:57:17
these searches and even recall stories of being physically in the water himself there weren't just they weren't just
00:57:26
eyeballing this they were down in the water actively searching and so so the Searchers say that at the time of the
00:57:34
searches the water was roughly 2 to 3 feet deep now of course there there is going to be Pockets that might be
00:57:42
slightly deeper than that and some that will be more shallow but uh the general consensus is that it was about 2 to
00:57:50
three feet deep at that time okay so that's enough to drown in but not necessarily enough to be concealed in
00:57:57
probably right how far away is Lake Erie if you were to drive there um I don't I
00:58:03
I don't know how science works but I don't I don't think if either of those Rivers lead there I oh no I was thinking
00:58:10
if someone picked him up and oh took him to Lake year two two and a half science
00:58:16
right um two and a half two and a half hours roughly yeah so we we also Pres Ed this case to a retired detective when we
00:58:28
first covered it back in 2016 and his his main thought was and it was kind of just like a knee-jerk reaction but when
00:58:35
we when we shot out the idea of maybe is the body of water involved he said his immediately didn't miss a beat he goes
00:58:44
they would have found him now and and I know that that's not 100% all the time every time but to hear a seasoned
00:58:52
retired detective say immed immediately boom they would have found him if he was
00:58:56
in water they would have found him okay and unfortunately we lived through that same scenario when Joey labut went
00:59:04
missing and his body surfaced or was found approximately 30 or so days after he went
00:59:12
missing um with it being a river most of the time things get snagged in the river
00:59:17
and they they catch and they stay in in one spot at some point um so it's still a possibility but it seems like it seems
00:59:26
like the people involved in the searches people with a long history in law enforcement all seem to believe that
00:59:34
it's not likely yeah what about the train tracks I'm looking here and there's a it looks like the a commuter
00:59:40
rail or something is a train the transit station what what that's interesting I've never thought of that trains that
00:59:49
run all through the area I mean it's it's a pretty straight shot to the train track from the Ugly Tuna freight trains
00:59:57
though travel on that well you have the tracks but there an idea that I've always kind of wondered is if they check
01:00:04
the Greyhound stations because there's a Greyhound station downtown so what was it possible for Brian to just jump on a
01:00:12
bus and go somewhere Ive always wondered if they even check those I would have to
01:00:17
imagine they check the surveillance video but no uh activity on his card right well and he had cash on as far as
01:00:25
financials go one thing that I think is interesting and I don't know why I find it to be interesting but the report from
01:00:32
law enforcement is that Brian paid his tab that night with cash yeah and and here I I want to do a
01:00:40
little speculating on that I think that there might not be such a such a proof positive way of knowing that information
01:00:50
I think it's more of deducing what what didn't happen to deter determin that he paid the tab with cash okay so there's a
01:00:57
chance that he didn't pay at all and Clint Meredith could have paid it well but here's where I want to go with that
01:01:03
they would have asked Clint that they would have asked Meredith that right their their statement is Brian paid the
01:01:10
his tab with cash so where I think they arrive to that might be more of an assumption rather than proof positive
01:01:18
his father is on record saying Brian never carried cash he paid with everything for a credit card or a debit
01:01:23
card and but that's what's so confusing with this case is you hear one thing and
01:01:29
then it's almost like it's always contradicted by his father and that's a strange to me well I I think part of
01:01:35
that is that we have a father that likely believes his son was met with Foul Play and and he wants to point out
01:01:41
anything that doesn't seem right to him now having worked in several bars typically what would go down is it's
01:01:49
very easy obviously to to trace the credit card debit card transactions so we know he didn't pay with a credit card
01:01:56
or debit card regardless of what anyone says now regarding paying the the tab with cash that night that's very
01:02:05
difficult to prove that he physically paid his tab with cash most of the time it's not going to ring up under his name
01:02:14
it could be he could have been listed as anything he could have been paying as he
01:02:18
went paying as he went which is most likely I believe if you're paying in cash you're paying as you go and
01:02:23
typically if there are unpaid tabs every establishment that I've worked at there's a log book and any incident goes
01:02:32
in the log book and an unpaid tab is an incident and you have a corresponding credit card correct um by the way I was
01:02:40
on the bing machine again yes and I followed the train tracks and found a freight train on the train tracks so yes
01:02:46
that was a that that is a train track that carries uh Freight okay so so freight trains move a little slower than
01:02:53
commuter trains mhm so that that is something you could actually hop on to uh and and like run faster then in a lot
01:03:00
of cases mhm that's an interesting take yeah I don't think anybody's ever presented
01:03:06
that before and if you look at the where the train tracks are in relationship to
01:03:11
the Ugly Tuna you could almost put his apartment right in the middle that no way it was it was that direction no way
01:03:18
yeah so it it makes it even closer to another known point where he may have been or was attempting to go to I want
01:03:26
to get to two more things before we wrap this up first of all um you know there's
01:03:32
only one family member left that we can talk to and that's Derek Brian's brother
01:03:38
but a lot of people find it odd that he is not so forward with talking with media or podcasters or whoever but I I
01:03:48
want you to give your thoughts on that Nick if you could I personally don't find it to be
01:03:55
strange in this situation it is 13 years later and I know that he's kind of always had this
01:04:04
stance right uh or as far back as I could trace however it seems that he is willing to
01:04:12
communicate but it seems more to me I believe the statement that and I maybe I'm reading too much into this but in
01:04:21
regards to his reaction or turning down interviews or anything like that the vibe I'm getting from Derek is not so
01:04:28
much that he won't communicate regarding the case his brother's missing person's
01:04:32
case it's more so he it's a very emotional thing for him and he wishes not to do that on camera or on
01:04:41
microphone or to be recorded um and it might just be it might just be a proud dude that's like you know what I if if I
01:04:49
talk about this too much or if I think about this too much I'm going to get choked up right maybe I don't want to
01:04:55
cry on camera maybe I don't want to you know cry on mic or or whatever and and he's got to can you imagine first of all
01:05:03
let's let's touch on this for a second he lost his mom dad and brother in the course of in the course of three years
01:05:09
yeah it's crazy from four to one in three years and so it's almost a domino effect when
01:05:16
you think about the emotions in this man is maybe it's not so much just he doesn't want to talk about his brother's
01:05:25
case but it also triggers his father's tragic death his mother losing her life to cancer it's it's a [ __ ] load man
01:05:33
it's a load you can't leave those out of the equation when you're looking into this case um but I think you know that
01:05:40
being said all of us here when we're looking into these cases we're not trying to be disrespectful to a victim
01:05:48
or the victim's family we are just simply trying to come to some kind of understanding which would then help the
01:05:57
victim listen yeah that that this [ __ ] freaks me out I mean you don't have to be hooked on drugs you don't have to be
01:06:05
from a bad neighborhood you don't have to be poor or wealthy you don't have to stand out at all you can be a Pearl Jam
01:06:12
fan uh uh someone who's going you know in their six year of medical school in a crowded bar in a crowded bar and in in
01:06:20
Ohio and and you're You're gone right that that at the very least I say this because you
01:06:27
said we're we're not trying to be disrespectful to the family at the very least um a message you can take from
01:06:32
this is just always be aware of your surroundings just try to be aware of where you're at where your friends are
01:06:38
at because it can literally happen to anybody anywhere at any time right and I think the another interesting thing too
01:06:44
which I which is the way to handle it in my opinion Derek and the schaer family have been very consistent with saying
01:06:56
they believe that Clint knows more or could offer more assistance and I applaud them for that
01:07:05
because I think he he possibly could even if it's information that he doesn't know that could be important but I I
01:07:13
applaud them for not accusing him of anything other than right possibly knowing something in addition to what's
01:07:20
been provided I would be very interested in talking with Clint or or Derek and I
01:07:25
think it could be done in or Meredith yeah or Meredith um okay so it was great to listen to you guys talk about this
01:07:35
case as you know I I view you guys as Experts of missing person cases CU of how long you have dealt with the mar
01:07:44
Murray case um is there one thing that sticks out with this case that you would like to go
01:07:52
down that rabbit hole and spin more time on that would be the first question the
01:07:57
second question is you have a gut feeling of what you think happened this we'll start with Tim do do you mean uh
01:08:05
in investigating the case or do you mean in talking the case out do do I want to
01:08:10
revisit something no I'm just saying like if if you investigating this case if you are us and you and we're going to
01:08:16
spend more time on this case is there a is there something through this conversation or through your resarch
01:08:23
search that you'd go I would dive down this hole a little bit more if you could well I would love to I would love to
01:08:29
check out the roof of the of that building but I also think the um that the train tracks the the freight train
01:08:35
is a pretty good is a pretty good way to have uh gotten a little further away and
01:08:40
just you know right I got to say this conversation has been super enlightening because a round table discussion of a
01:08:48
case like this is really important because you you get to hear the other people the the other person's opinion
01:08:54
I'm I'm with you the the train tracks I'm looking at it now that those that goes up to Canada that that goes
01:08:59
straight up to Canada well and like you said Tim I have never heard any talk anything about a roof in this case and
01:09:06
i' like I said I've talked about this case to a thousand people and nobody's ever said what about the roof I have to
01:09:11
imagine the police uh search that though yeah I'm I'm sure they did I would I would hate it if the police are
01:09:16
listening to this and they're like oh yeah they never saw the hangover so yeah but the train tracks yeah I would love
01:09:22
to I would love to look into that cuz could you imagine that scenario he he is walking back I didn't know that he was
01:09:29
walking back it's in the direction of his apartment and he's like I'll just I'll just I'll just you know I'll just
01:09:37
duck down right here maybe sit by the train tracks the train trugs along a couple hours later so check a schedule I
01:09:43
guess that if if if you can track down a schedule I I think that would be valuable
01:09:48
information I know that the the the family what they've said publicly would disagree with this but I where I once
01:09:56
believed the most likely simplest scenario was that somehow he made it out of the bar he was attacked on his way
01:10:03
home placed in a dumpster ended up in the landfill and they just missed it I still think that's that's likely however
01:10:11
I I'm telling you man two years later I'm sitting here in this chair and looking back into this this case again
01:10:17
I'm I'm now completely changed my viewpoint of I I now actually believe the opposite it and believe that more
01:10:25
than ever that that he could still be out there and he could still be alive and the captain hit on something very
01:10:32
interesting that we talked about quite a bit and and and I was you know pushed it
01:10:37
off the table discussion wise but I want to Circle back to it real quick before we finish up is the the footage of that
01:10:44
back hallway of people leaving now we all agreed that if they beli they had proof of Brian leaving they would have
01:10:53
public stated that law they being law enforcement and I still stand by that statement however I'm curious if there
01:11:01
are one or two or however many multiple individuals on that footage that maybe they can't identify they don't believe
01:11:10
them to be Brian for whatever reason but they have not been identified um I think that's somewhat of
01:11:17
a possibility as the captain pointed out multiple times security has mentioned there are other ways there were other
01:11:23
ways in and out of that building um I I think I think the the when we discuss drug use
01:11:32
substance abuse we discuss behaviors mental makeup all that all that stuff the the key thing here to remind
01:11:41
ourselves of is it it doesn't necessarily matter so much who Brian was how he was before a
01:11:52
month before he disappeared because his mother dying is a trigger that could have sent someone in any different
01:11:59
direction lifestyle-wise and choices wise absolutely yeah and I've had friends that were the most talkative
01:12:06
person you ever met and a parent passed away and they just became quiet but I'd really love
01:12:13
to if I could like in a perfect world sit down Clint and talk with him or sit down Derek and talk with them and not
01:12:21
and not even record it just be on the phone and and ask some questions and you know if if either one of them hear this
01:12:29
and you know would like to even grab a beer you know just to go you drink beer how's your hangover so uh anyways uh we
01:12:39
should be getting out of here because you guys got to get back to the airport so you can get back to Boston back to
01:12:45
wormtown well and I do want to go on record saying this too this is one of few cases that we've circled back to
01:12:51
that we've looked into for a second or third time we've talked about it on our other show off the Record several times
01:12:57
we very likely will Circle back to this one again and again and again and I want
01:13:03
to be very vocal with with these words saying that we want to help in any way shape or form if the Sha schaer family
01:13:13
or friends of Brian need anything think we can offer anything our information is
01:13:19
is on true Crim garage.com we want to help in any shape or form the other thing that I want to help with is
01:13:26
directing um a lot of the people that tuned in and joined us in the garage today to our very good friends that took
01:13:33
time out of their very busy lives to join us in the garage Tim and Lance tell us briefly again about the podcast about
01:13:41
the your projects and where to find you great thank you yeah uh check us out at crawl space- media.com that's kind of
01:13:49
the main landing spot for everything we do we host the missing Mora Murray podcast you can find that on Stitcher on
01:13:56
Apple podcasts um we actually also have a sort of a revisiting of the Mora Murray case that we are doing up for
01:14:04
Stitcher premium and we're calling that creators commentary so it's actually us talking over the old episodes and
01:14:10
updating uh with new information and making fun of our a fair share of self effacing it's a really cool project that
01:14:17
uh Stitcher uh allowed us to do um and we're having a blast putting it together where're delivering the episodes in
01:14:25
batches of 10 so we'll do these Marathon sessions where we listen to ourselves from you know three years ago two years
01:14:31
ago and we talk over it one like Tim said we update information so it's super informative I mean if we said something
01:14:39
and since the factors or the circumstance circumstances have changed then we we update that so if you're
01:14:46
looking for new updated case information you get the parallel right there it's it's a really really cool project really
01:14:54
fortunate to be a part of it yeah and uh and crawl space is also available on Stitcher Apple podcast and everywhere we
01:15:00
uh have the full archive uh on Stitcher premium and check out finding morea Murray on Amazon Prime I can speak for
01:15:06
the colonel when I say uh the captain the colonel we had a lot of fun having you come visit us and drink with us and
01:15:13
um I'm sure Nick will be paying for it for the next couple days well and we will see you guys at crime con can't
01:15:20
wait yep and thanks everybody for joining us this weekend in the garage we will see you back here in the garage
01:15:25
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