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attorney described the evidence of what a Winnipeg jury will hear for the next several weeks and a warning the details
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are extremely graphic at the trial today the jury heard Robin green from shoal Lake was stabbed to death 68 times it
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happened on July 1st 2003 he was decapitated and his body cut up into eight separate pieces and left in a
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bathtub in a suite in the Royal Albert Hotel the crown says the victims organs were removed and never found
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Sydnee tier house Moore is charged with second degree murder his lawyer Gregg Brodsky told the jury
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they agreed to your house more is the killer but says his client doesn't know how the killing took place the jury was
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told that Eris wrote letters to a Canadian journalist and American publisher that picked in the killing
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itself sheer house also explains how he's infatuated with Jeffrey Dahmer the American serial killer who cut up his
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victims court heard the previous day green mentiroso her drinks at the Woodbine Hotel then went back to tear
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houses sweet to have sex where Green was killed clerk was told that tear house walked into the remand Center the
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following day thinking it was a police station he told the corrections worker that he had been drinking that he
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blacked out and that when he awoke the body was chopped up in his tub back in his hotel room months after the killing
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at the Royal Albert Hotel it appears the man charged with the murder wanted to talk about it but was any of it true
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that's what a Winnipeg jury must decide of the Sydney to your house murder trial
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while in jail T Rose began corresponding with a winnipeg journalist who at the time had a weekly callin show on a
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university radio station Szczepanski testified that tear house gave him details of both the murder he couldn't
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have found out any other way the jury has heard so far that police were not able to find the internal organs of the
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victim the end result was supposed to be a book about the murder an upcoming trial
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called trophy kill a title court was told that tier House came up with he remembers almost everything but not the
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actual killing Sidney tier house told the jury he blacked out that day in July 2003 he says he doesn't know how Robin
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Greene ended up mutilated in a hotel suite bathtub but what he does remember is meeting up with a victim at the
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Woodbine Hotel to your house describes how the two went on a drinking bender ending up in his suite at the Royal
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Albert he says he got high on cocaine and oxycontin had sex with Greene a few times and took some nude pictures of the
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victim eventually the two fell asleep teros told the jury he woke up about seven hours later to a sickening smell
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in the suite saying quote I entered the bathroom and looked over to the bathtub and he was deceased he was dismembered I
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threw up into the toilet because of what I'd seen Tarot's then walked to the remand Center thinking it was a police
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station staff called 9-1-1 0 submitted to telling the 911 operator I think I killed someone while in jail he wrote
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letters about the killing to Winnipeg writer who promised him a book deal tariffs now says the gory letters were
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all made up I had no one to talk to I was locked up 24 hours a day I guess in a sick way it was entertainment for me
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to your house testified he got the killing details from jail library books to crime stories of serial killers like
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Jeffrey Dahmer the crown argued in many details things like blood splatter matched the actual crime scene and her
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details only the real killer would know CC Ashley CTV News Winnipeg the fate of Sydney dear house now rests with the
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jury they will decide that the man is guilty of manslaughter in the death of Robin green or second-degree murder evil
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that's how the crown described Sydney tier House telling the jury he stabbed and dismembered Robin green then neatly
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stacked the victims body parts in the bathtub of his hotel room earlier this man was
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decapitated he was just involved he was eviscerated and certainly the court will
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take that into account but tear houses lawyer says it was not a premeditated murder
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you can't say this is the worst possible of where's possible offense would be if he
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lured somebody premeditated the crime and was guilty of first-degree murder [Music]
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shall we dance is an American film released back in 2004 the film debuted on October 15 2004 now the story takes
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place in Chicago but the movie was filmed in Winnipeg up in Canada back in 2003 shall we dance is a romantic comedy
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starring Richard Gere Jennifer Lopez Susan Sarandon Stanley Tucci and Nick Cannon among others the film is a remake
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of the 1996 Japanese film of the same name it is not a remake of the 1937 film shall we dance starring Fred Astaire and
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Ginger Rogers the film had a cast full of big names and a budget of fifty million dollars so success was really
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the only expectation once released the film grossed more than eleven million dollars opening weekend the film ran at
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the box office for 133 days grossing over 57 million in the United States and a worldwide total of over a hundred and
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seventy million dollars but if anyone tuned in today to true-crime garage just to hear about Richard Gere Susan
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Sarandon or even JLo you're in luck well actually I'd be shocked stupefied even there is a much bigger
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story here one that fits well within these four walls of our garage studio a sick and disturbing story there are many
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different versions of this true crime story the following timeline may be the closest one that we will ever have to
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the truth in short form this story as you may have guessed takes place in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada population
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about 700,000 people Winnipeg is very much in the south part of Canada somewhat near the US border and one of
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this great cities nicknames is the Gateway to the west why well if you look at a map you'll understand this case
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takes place back in 2003 on July 1st this is a a national holiday called Canada Day on
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this day Canadians celebrate the anniversary of July 1st 1867 when three separate colonies became one and just
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like the great US of A's 4th of July this day is celebrated with fireworks parties parades and barbecues July 1st
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2003 and Winnipeg was a hot summer day 38 year old Robin Greene traveled a few hundred miles to Winnipeg to visit with
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family and to celebrate and party for the holiday on this morning he was making his way to downtown Winnipeg
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walking he stumbles upon a group of onlookers this is a group of fans hanging near where they are shooting
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this movie where they are filming the movie these fans are hoping to catch a glimpse of some of the famous movie
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stars there is a decent amount of security personnel in this area now Robin continues on about a block or two
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north of this location he finds several trailers parked side-by-side here unfortunately there does not seem to be
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much in the way of security personnel Robin excited about this opportunity decides to make his way inside of one of
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these trailers to see what he can find he was looking for any goodies that might be lying around so now inside one
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of these trailers Robin is looking for something valuable and inside a cabinet he finds a ziploc bag containing several
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pieces of jewelry this he snatches and stuffs the Ziploc into his pocket Robin exits the trailer and continues walking
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off he's now heading downtown toward Main Street a short time later Susan Sarandon --hz assistant enters this same
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trailer the one that Robin has just recently fled she notices that one of Susan's earrings is lying on the floor
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the assistant then reports this to Susan and the two do a little investigating and quickly realize that some of Susan's
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jewelry is missing from the trailer is this her actual jewelry or prop jewelry that detail is a
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bit confusing as it's reported both ways I actually believe it to be hers but she
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did wear some of this jewelry in the filming of the movie right so makes it a little little difficult there around 10
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a.m. famous actress Susan Sarandon calls the police this is to report that a bag of
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jewelry was missing from her trailer located on the set of where they were filming the movie shall we dance this
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was a set of gold jewelry a necklace bracelet in one of her earrings remember the other was found on the floor of the
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trailer alerting the assistant that something might be wrong it has been reported - that this was costume jewelry
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which would make it sound or believe that it that it belonged to the studio that was just a prop used for the movie
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further investigation I found that the the necklace which will be really one of the centerpiece items of this week's
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story the necklace is valued at $4,000 so probably not just costume jewelry for the movie itself not too much later this
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is around 11 a.m. Robin Green steps into a bar called the Woodbine this bar opened up earlier that
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day this is an older bar that hosts a hard-drinking group of regulars here Robin feels at home so he is drinking
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and chatting with the other patrons there right at this bar is where Robin Green meets 33 year old Sidney tear
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Hughes Sidney is an overweight guy who has been at the bar for an hour or so drinking the two do not know each other
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in fact as said Robin is from out of town tear Hughes was raised in Winnipeg but he had been living out of town for
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about 10 years now tear Hughes is a recently out-of-work chef according to tear Hughes Robin is chatting with the
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patrons and flashing this gold jewelry that he he has with him and he's offering the jewelry up for sale
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it's been reported that Robin was attempting to get $15 for the gold necklace Robin doesn't find any takers
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what he does find is tear Hughes who sparks up a conversation with him and then the two start sharing some drinks
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now after some drinks tear Hughes invites Robin green back to his hotel room this is in the early afternoon
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hours of July 1st the two returned to tear Hughes's hotel room tear Hughes is staying at the Royal Albert Hotel and
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this hotel is nearby it's within walking distance of the bar tear house was renting room number 309 once there the
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two men continued to drink and party this leads to some sexual activity and then later some playful activity one of
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the men has one of those old disposable cameras so they take some photos ironically tear Hughes takes a photo of
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Robin Green sitting in the bathtub after all of this the two would eventually leave the hotel room Robin wanted to
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take a nap but tear Hughes wanted to go back to the bar I can only assume that they agreed to go back to the bar they
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did take a walk later according to one of the men they walked down to where the shall we dance movie down to the filming
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location here is my general understanding of the filming situation it was fairly early on in the filming
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process and susan sarandon was on set by this time for a couple of days or so but
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it was early enough that Jennifer Lopez had not yet arrived into town the two men who again just met hours earlier
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they walked down to the filming location and then they walked back to the bar it
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does not sound like they stayed for very long on this second visit to the bar they did have a drink apparently at one
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point tear Hughes introduces green to the bartender the bartender would later say
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that she believed that green was quite intoxicated but tier hues not as much but tier hues wanted to go fetch some
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ice before returning to the room so he asked the bartender after the introduction was made to keep an eye on
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green which the bartender did tier hues returned fairly quickly and then he escorted green back to the Royal Albert
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Hotel and back to room 3:09 according to tier Hughes once the two were there Green eventually fell
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asleep and tier hues blacked out or they both blacked out this portion is a bit unclear the next day
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the morning of July 2nd Sydney tier Hughes wakes up from a blackout due to drugs and alcohol he gets up and he
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walks into the restroom and their tier Hughes finds the body of Robin Green dead in the restroom according to tier
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Hughes he then walks to a nearby building that he assumes is a police department when asked you know the
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standard questions how can I help you or what can we do for you tier hue says I need to speak with
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somebody I am staying at a hotel nearby I blacked out last night and when I woke
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up this morning I found a man dead in the bathtub right and at this point we don't know how intoxicated he still is
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or what drugs he still is on or how much he's sobered up and like you said he thinks it's a police department but it's
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not actually a police department it does make sense that he would believe this to
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be a police building it is in a sense I mean you would see officers entering and
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exiting this building but it is not he in fact has walked into the Winnipeg remand Center which is a pretrial
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detention center located in downtown Winnipeg yeah it houses people waiting for Court decisions on their charges or
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placement in correctional centers it is a minimum medium and maximum security facility so they have to
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get someone from the actual police department here to talk with this man to make and take his statement
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well they do they dispatched two officers to the remand Center the officers talked with tier Hughes and
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take his statement in which tier Hughes very matter-of-factly explains he spent the day before drinking all day and
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doing drugs he says he met the victim and they went to his room for drinks and for casual sex tear hew says he
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eventually passed out from being so intoxicated and then when he woke up and walked into the restroom he found the
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victim dead yeah how did you do it he was asked and here hew said he chopped the guy up with what a knife he said
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where is the knife now it's on the floor of the bathroom at my hotel room right this of course triggering further
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investigation starting with tear Hughes and three officers going physically going to the Royal Albert Hotel - room
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309 to investigate tear Hughes's hotel room is on the third floor of this old hotel at the time of our case the hotel
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was like 90 years old this hotel has an elevator but I don't think there was any
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air-conditioning at the hotel and we did say this was in the middle of a hot summer yeah what they did find there is
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truly just like something out of a horror film there was no way for the officers to prepare themselves for what
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they were about to find two officers are going to go into the hotel room to see what's going on now an additional
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officer and tear hues are going to stay out into the hallway so now they are at the Royal Albert Hotel standing at the
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door for room 309 they open the door and walk in the room is small in the room is
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a mess the first thing they notice is a blood-soaked bedsheet lying on the floor
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and a blood-soaked mattress as well there was a good amount of blood on two of the walls in this small room they
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walk into the restroom and they're lying in the bathtub positioned as though he is looking in the direction of the
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doorway is the nude dissected body of 38 year old Robin Green Robin is lying on his back inside of this old clawfoot
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bathtub Robin's mouth was wide open and one of his eyes was missing the other had been stabbed or punctured his head
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decapitated but placed neatly back onto the body the chest had several deep stab
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wounds and a figure-eight pattern was carved into the chest area as well there was also a long cut running from the
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neck area straight down the center of the chest this wound was a big one and was open and exposing an empty abdomen
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the organs had been removed the arms had been cut clean through cut just below the elbows the legs to cut clean all the
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great veterans all right so we have a situation where we have a guy that's in from out of town and he's snooping
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around on a movie set and he's looking for something a value yeah he's straight up looking to steal something right so
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he gets some jewelry goes to a local bar things hey this is worth something I'm gonna
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ask $15 right doesn't get that but strikes up a conversation this guy now they're drinking together possibly doing
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drugs together decide to go back to the guys room that's living in town seems like he's living in this hotel room 309
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correct sex happens and it seems like murder happens and then the next day tear Hughes which was renting the room
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room 309 goes to correction facility and tells them hey I think I murdered this guy they send police officers there
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again we don't know how intoxicated he is or what his state is at this point but as police officers you're probably
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thinking is this you know they they hear crazy stories all the time is this guy for real you know we have to check this
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out now do you imagine what they're feeling as they're escorting this individual back to his hotel room and
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once they open the door you have to start thinking well at least that part of the story is
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correct and and and that part of the story is truthful that he's at least staying there
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yeah I mean there's a lot of issues with this portion of the story and one that's
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why we said early on this might be the closest version to the truth in short form regarding the timeline right that
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we're going to get and the reason being is we have two key players in this timeline unfortunately only one of them
00:31:43
is still alive and appears to be very guilty of some heinous horrible acts right and they're the ones that are
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providing us with the timeline so as said as you said we don't know the state of mind of Sidney tear Hughes or how
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intoxicated or screwed up effed up he could be from drugs or alcohol or both or whatever right at the moment that
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he's telling the police about this we also don't know what his state was leading up to this and during the course
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of the murder of this man and then the really what he's doing here what has been done if somebody creates this it's
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it's sickening to say it this way it's almost horror artwork by design I mean truly that's what it is we have a victim
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here that was killed mutilated and then displayed replayed for somebody to see this and as said these are veteran
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police officers in Winnipeg Winnipeg is not look shout out to our Canadian brothers and sisters but anybody up in
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Canada will tell you when a peg is not the nicest city in the world it's it's it's nice but it I believe it's the
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murder capital of Canada so these officers have seen a lot in their days what they have not seen is this they've
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never seen anything like this before I don't know that many many people have it I don't know that anybody has yeah and I
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think like you said I mean it's it's very odd it's almost a pizza artwork in a sense and I don't mean that in a
00:33:25
disrespectful way but you have a end of that was cut up and eight pieces and almost put back together and like you
00:33:32
said is positioned in a way that they're looking at the door but the head is severed so at some point they have to
00:33:43
start moving the body to realize that these parts are severed and what I find very interesting is that you have a
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situation where the bodies and eight pieces that there's a figure eight almost like maybe those are connected in
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some way mm-hmm it's very strange and and very horrifying yeah and I hate to use the
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word artwork because that that certainly holds no meaning here but anybody that's
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seen the TV series Hannibal will understand I mean that's what they were trying to depict in that dramatization
00:34:28
of fictional crimes this is something that happened in real life right and then you also have a situation like I
00:34:35
said we we have this individual confessing to this crime I mean he basically could you know you know
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explains to him how you did it well how did you do it with this knife and then they find the knife and and so you you
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almost have the confession there but he's also stating that he you know they blacked out or passed out and as far as
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like my knowledge goes like I have friends that will drink certain things or maybe take certain things that will
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cause them to black out and be in a blackout state I have only been in one blackout state and you were actually
00:35:12
with me on a Carnival cruise when I called a bingo on the 311 cruise mm-hmm there's a bunch of pictures with me with
00:35:21
some somewhat famous people that people started sending to me when we got back from the cruise and I was like oh that's
00:35:28
a funny photoshopped picture and they're like no no you actually met that person
00:35:33
and I took your picture and I have no memory of that at all but as far as I know that's the only time in my
00:35:41
that have ever been in this quota quote blacked-out phase where I'm actually walking around and talking to people and
00:35:49
mm-hmm and acting like I exist in this world and reality I don't remember any of that yeah and that's the weird thing
00:35:57
about tier Hughes's if you want to call that a confession when he's reporting this crime you're almost getting two
00:36:05
stories immediately where he's saying I blacked out I don't remember the murder but but when asked questions how did you
00:36:12
kill him like I chopped him up I used a knife the knife is on the bathroom floor
00:36:18
I guess those are all things he could have learned from just walking into the bathroom that morning and finding the
00:36:25
body that he left there the day before when you said there was no air conditioning and I heard that when tier
00:36:32
Hughes went into the bathroom and saw the scene that he actually got sick hmm and threw up in the toilet so yeah it's
00:36:42
just it's crazy and then it's crazy to think that this person would be in a blacked out state and be able to do all
00:36:49
that and again chop up the body and put it back together and then display it in such a way after seeing this incredibly
00:36:59
horrifying scene the officers went back into the hallway and this is when they formally arrest Sidney tier Hughes they
00:37:08
put tear Hughes in handcuffs the officers these are s-said seasoned veterans and that doesn't matter
00:37:16
they are rattled very badly by the sight of this body in eight pieces then reassembled put on display the cause of
00:37:26
death was multiple stab wounds and they're in room 309 the crime-scene Tech's when they're going through this
00:37:34
whole scene they find susan sarandon 'he's stolen jewelry that was reported as stolen the day before rain now one of
00:37:43
the key players in this case is going to be a man that most of you listening may
00:37:49
know we have discussed him on this show several times in fact he was a guest on the show back when we
00:37:55
covered the Luka Magnotta case in episodes 122 and 123 a cape you cannot hada and of course we are talking about
00:38:04
Dan Zupan ski you know captain sometimes things happen for a reason sometimes things in life really just kind of
00:38:14
happened because they I feel like they're supposed to right when Dan Szczepanski became
00:38:20
involved in this case in Sydney tear Hughes's case in a way the case almost chose him dan was keeping an eye on this
00:38:32
case in particular and for good reason he was involved with an organization called the people's for justice dan was
00:38:40
clipping news articles about the tear Hughes case early on the papers were calling tear Hughes the hotel room
00:38:49
killer and there were headlines such as I'm not a monster I am NOT Jeffrey Dahmer the people's for
00:38:57
justice is basically an organization that is probably fighting and lobbying for a lot of things victim advocacy
00:39:06
right things but one thing that they are truly fighting for is stiffer penalties
00:39:13
and sentences for murders the general problem here is that murderers do not receive a lengthy enough of a sentence
00:39:23
and most of what would be determined to be first-degree murder in our country most of these types of crimes get
00:39:32
reduced to simple manslaughter charges in Canada resulting in the offender receiving a shorter sentence for taking
00:39:41
someone's life dan has been corresponding with a man who he went to high school with the man was housed at
00:39:50
the remand Center waiting for a court date one day this man his name is dawn he tells Dan guess who I'm I'm being
00:40:00
housed with hmm I'm being housed with the hotel room killer Sidney tear Hughes one of just many strange and bizarre
00:40:08
are things about tier hues in this case Szczepanski said tier hues facing murder
00:40:15
charges waiting for a court day in this situation would have been strongly advised to not discuss the case with
00:40:23
anyone especially the media tier hue so seemed to enjoy the attention and he was
00:40:31
granting interviews almost immediately after his arrest Dan asked dawn if he could work to build some type of rapport
00:40:40
with tier hues get tier hues to believe that they may even be friends and see if
00:40:46
he could get tier hues to talk with Dan dan at the time had a radio show called off the cuff it was an interview style
00:40:55
show covering all kinds of topics well in this case has to be huge on a couple levels one the gruesome nature of the
00:41:03
crime but two the connection with this big movie star in this big movie set yes it is it would have been bigger news and
00:41:14
this is coming from several Canadians perspectives this would have been bigger news had it occurred in a city like
00:41:21
Toronto or Vancouver right but not so seedy well yeah and the thing is to put it in its simplest form the way it's
00:41:30
been explained to me is unless a crime or a murder happens in one of those two cities it's just not well covered
00:41:38
through the media it doesn't get the amount of media attention than it would garner in those other those bigger
00:41:45
cities right the simplest introduction from dawn to get tier Hughes to talk with Dan Szczepanski would just be to
00:41:55
see if tier Hughes would like to be a possible guest on Dan's radio show this is the tactic that they're going to use
00:42:02
because they already know at this point that tier Hughes seems to be enjoying these interviews and is more than
00:42:08
willing to talk with the media well right and when he's talking to the media I think he's also trying to get more
00:42:14
attention by making statements like not a monster yes this act that I did was monstrous
00:42:22
but I'm not a monster I'm not Jeffrey Dahmer and and when you in a crime case you mentioned the word
00:42:29
or the name Jeffrey Dahmer that's gonna get more attention well when this gets set up dawn does get to your Hughes to
00:42:40
agree to talk with Dan Szczepanski this leads to Dan corresponding with tier Hughes and then taking a meeting with
00:42:48
him Sydnee tier Hughes his defense and believe it or not it's a viable one in Canada in 2003 2004 and so on at the
00:43:00
time his defense basically is yes he did kill Robin green but it was not premeditated murder because tier Hughes
00:43:07
had been using drugs and was intoxicated he didn't remember the act itself and he
00:43:14
eventually turned himself in this making a strong argument for a charge of manslaughter not murder right strong our
00:43:23
argument there not not here that wouldn't work here this would come with a pretty light sentence if someone like
00:43:32
tier Hughes can get this horrible murder reduced to just a manslaughter charge and this in particular is what Dan
00:43:41
Szczepanski and his friends with that organization people's for justice one of the things that they were fighting for
00:43:48
one of this is one of their big ticket items that they're fighting for so a maximum penalty for what we what the
00:43:56
United States would call first-degree murder the planned targeted act of homicide in
00:44:01
Canada the maximum one could receive there is no death penalty the harshest punishment is life in prison with
00:44:09
possible parole at 25 years Wow yeah we I mean some of our states have the death
00:44:17
penalty it's like honey we're gonna take a vacation to Canada and others that don't at least have life in prison
00:44:25
without the possibility of parole that's not even an option this is life in prison in prison with
00:44:32
parole at 25 years meaning you're going to get a parole hearing yeah that's I mean that's ridiculous I mean and
00:44:41
there's multiple crimes here like it here we do a thing where you go okay well it's premeditated so it's
00:44:48
first-degree murder but then also you have the mutilation of the corpse that charges to that so possible parole after
00:44:59
25 years this is the strictest punishment one could be handed at the time in Canada and that's across the
00:45:06
board that's from sea to shining sea the Canadian federal government's bill see 53 life means life act would change this
00:45:18
by making life imprisonment without parole a mandatory sentence for heinous murders such as planned and deliberate
00:45:27
murders of police officers or planned and deliberate murders while the accused is committing sexual assault hostage
00:45:35
taking or terrorism right so they could be charged with first-degree murder with
00:45:40
no possibility of parole the adjustment to that basically would be the lifers could eventually apply after 35 years to
00:45:50
the federal cabinet for executive release this bill C 53 would be a good step in the right direction I know there
00:45:59
was a lot going on with attempting to make this life means life act active last year I was you know not living in
00:46:08
Canada I was unable to confirm if in fact it is up and running by this time it doesn't actually appear to be so
00:46:16
though so first we have the issue of some monsters like tier Hughes getting paroled after 25 years
00:46:24
that sounds bad enough right but it doesn't stop there when going to court we are going to have a few other very
00:46:34
threatening options that could play out here first off if his defense can prove that tier Hughes was drunk high messed
00:46:42
up basically out of his element right blacked out well then this would play to a reduction of what would
00:46:50
be a murder charge to a much lesser charge of just manslaughter also of course reducing the sentence to top all
00:46:57
of that off they have something called double-time and I believe that's the proper term for it I that's the term
00:47:05
that would make sense right okay so double time served for jail time while waiting for your trial
00:47:12
plus they have concurrent sentences instead of consecutive meaning if you're going to get 25 years for killing one
00:47:21
person well then if you killed three people you would get 25 years for each of those three people you killed for a
00:47:28
total of 75 years right but because you have concurrent and sentences you can serve out all of those sentences at the
00:47:37
same time so truly only really spending 25 years in prison that is horseshit so basically it
00:47:45
doesn't matter if I kill one person or two people you'd think like you know as far as like serial killers go you let's
00:47:52
say you killed five people and then you go well okay so we're gonna have you charged and these were all premeditated
00:48:01
so you get first-degree murder so each one carries a 25 year sentence but you can serve all those sentences at the
00:48:09
same time the best example that I could offer up on the fly right here would be Robert Pickton so Robert Pickton is a
00:48:18
Canadian who is convicted of six murders I believe it's six murders he's suspected of many more right convicted
00:48:26
of multiple murders receives 25 years for each one of those murders he's only gonna have to serve 25 years total he
00:48:35
doesn't get you know he's we're not tacking all these together and doing them consecutively which should be a
00:48:40
hundred and fifty years right and thank God he'd be dead by then but he's a real
00:48:46
ass well there's a lot of names you could call that individual the coroner bonerface asshat is what I'd call so we
00:48:58
talked about the state of the body when they found it first off without getting too too
00:49:04
graphic I think we're already past that well here's the I'm trying to go through
00:49:10
the whole idea of is tier huse lying about the fact that he was that he was drunk and drugged up and out of his
00:49:19
element right well we know he's at the bar drinking we do know that and we could spend a good amount of time going
00:49:25
through what has been reported that he was drinking or taking that day but to be honest with you and we played that
00:49:33
clip there it's really all over the shop right the different reports state that he took our smoked or ingested different
00:49:41
things so I don't think that that's key here to really try to analyze if in fact
00:49:45
we believe he was messed up not from that angle we can do it on the opposite angle and again without trying to get
00:49:52
too too graphic but of course it will have to be somewhat so think about the amount of time just for a second just
00:50:00
stop and think about the amount of time it would take to do all of that to a body right so just how out of it could
00:50:12
this hotel monster be at the time one also what we have in the states I don't know if it's different in Canada but
00:50:19
premeditation don't when you hear that clip from the lawyer it's like premeditation to them almost
00:50:26
seems like he had to play in this when he met him at the bar oh I see you came into the bar now I met you now I'm
00:50:33
planning this all out in my head where we have kind of determined in the United States that premeditation could be
00:50:42
you're in an argument with somebody heated and decide well I'm gonna go out to my car and get a gun and within that
00:50:50
small window of time you have now you know basically created a plan meaning there was premeditation correct them am
00:51:00
i correct in this no you're spot-on I mean there are situations where within seconds we determine the prima it's a
00:51:08
premeditated murder right and I think unless you can prove I think it would be more on the two on the defense to prove
00:51:16
that this monster you know this bonerface is was in a state of you know being blacked out or a drug-induced psychosis
00:51:31
state or something like that but think about the cuts to not just all of the time that it would take to do that to a
00:51:39
body the yeah the cuts themselves this is not easy to do not only is it a lengthy amount of time it's not an easy
00:51:47
task to do this would take some level of skill tier Hughes was a chef for a long
00:51:54
time that would help but this would take a lot of time and some skill to perform
00:52:01
this act if tier Hughes was truly as out of it as he claims to have been this would have been even sloppier and the
00:52:09
labor involved a drunken high man would have gave up at some point before doing so much post-mortem mutilation to the
00:52:20
body right I think the premeditation there's not only just premeditation on the murder
00:52:26
but I think there was premeditation on how I'm gonna eventually get out of this you know and what was my excuse gonna be
00:52:34
also I don't think that we have said this but all of the organs were removed these were never recovered so that in
00:52:44
itself is some evidence that a portion of this story is missing from this narrative that Sidney ter Hughes is
00:52:54
putting forth about the actual murder yeah I don't mean to be more gruesome than we are er but you know I would do a
00:53:05
little bit of you know furniture rehabber or you know take an old piece of furniture and and redo it repainting
00:53:14
or whatever and just you take like a simple dining room table to saw the leg there had to be
00:53:24
individuals in this hotel that he's renting these rooms that heard these noises happening that heard something
00:53:32
and that would give us a little bit more of a timeline because like you said I mean just the dissection of the body I
00:53:39
think there probably be ways to prove that it took over an hour and what and then when did that go towards the
00:53:49
evidence that this was all premeditated according to tear Hughes Robin Greene died at 6:20 p.m.
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