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[Music] with a cenith dukot missing and then found dead and murdered we have a lot of
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eyewitnesses we have a composite sketch we're going to have all hands on deck with this case to get answers for this
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murdered 8-year-old there are many eyewitnesses so there are many suspects but we're going to go over the most
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likely suspects here today and you nailed it Captain this is a situation where we have everybody that's coming
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out of the woodwork wanting to help wanting to assist wanting to find Justice for this little girl and for the
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girl's family and the thing is we've said this a dozen times on this show and it rings true it rings true when you
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review these cases no matter what year that they are from when somebody kills a child abducts a child and kills them it
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is not just a crime against that victim the victim's family it is ultimately a crime against an entire community and
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that's exactly what you see here people that just want to try to help in any shape or form that they can small or
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large so we're going to have a lot of eyewitnesses we're going to have a lot of people come forward with some
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suspicions and as you know Captain when they release a composite sketch to the public that's going to drum up even more
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tips and more theories that will come about we're going to see hundreds of people interviewed we're going to see
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dozens of people be rumored to be suspects but at the end of the day there's only a couple of good suspects
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and we will start with the ones of note the more prominent ones the ones that were mentioned in the news newspapers
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and we'll work our way from the outside in let's say so a name that will be familiar to a lot of our longtime
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listeners is Robert bule Robert bule was a child killer he was a rapist he was a
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torturer he was a horrible despicable individual now he's arrested in 1983 so he's out and he's up to no good during
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the time frame that as duah is killed in 1980 Kelly Anne procer is another name that our longtime listeners might
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recognize kellyanne prer was another 8-year-old girl who was abducted and killed 2 years later after asena duot
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that case remained unsolved for a long time that case is interesting to asa's case because it took place 2 years after
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but just a short distance away asena duot was killed in Upper Arlington Ohio and kellyanne procer was abducted from
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her neighborhood which was near the OSU campus in Columbus Ohio so for a long time there were people that thought that
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maybe these two cases could be connected because the scen this is still unsolved
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to this day and kellyan prost's case took a long time to solve and in fact Robert bule was highly suspected in
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kellyanne proster case in fact so much so that they he was considered by many to be the prime suspect now now we told
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you in our episodes which we titled when the demons came out it was a four-part series that we did in January of
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2021 episodes 459 through 462 we cover kellyanne Prosser's case as well as the cases against Robert bule
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Robert bule didn't have anything to do with kellyan procer and in fact Columbus PD and the individuals investigating
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Robert bule and his crimes said that they could find no connection nothing linking Robert bule to Columbus Ohio for
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1982 or 1980 when Kelly Anne and asth were killed we now know all of these years later that it was in fact Harold
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Warren Jerell who killed kellyanne procer and that was announced in June of 2020 again if you want more information
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on those cases go back and listen to when the demons came out this was the first person that was known to have
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killed somebody and be mentioned in the paper and be we're being told the public
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this guy's being looked at in this case and this other case he's now being looked at in Columbus cases after they
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apprehend him in 1983 of course we know that they move on from Robert bu and these two cases they can't move on from
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him in other cases that took place in Northeast Ohio though CU he was too busy up there to be down here if you check
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out that four-part series you're going to find out that this guy is an absolute monster and anytime that you have a
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similar type victim he's going to be brought up especially if the crime happened early 80s in Ohio yes instead
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of looking at somebody so far away let's look at somebody closer to the crime scene closer to where all of this went
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down and we're going to use that based off of a profile that is put together of asena killer now this is directly from a
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website called long walk home ua.com and I recommend that you go there and check
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out what they've done on a Cena case because we are only going to be able to cover a fraction of what they cover on
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their website they've been looking at this case for a very long time putting together very good work on this case and
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rather than reinvent the wheel here I will read a portion of their website now this is under chapter four titled a
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brutal rapist and killer in Upper Arlington and it says almost immediately the uapd believed a cenus killer was
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local to Upper Arlington he the Killer is very familiar with the area if he's not a local he lives very close to the
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area this is based off of statements given by the Upper Arlington police chief in June of 1980 to the newspaper
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just think about how eerily similar that sounds to the words from Doug Carter and
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the Delphi case this belief was bolstered by two psychological profiles the police received in July of 1980 the
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profiles described a young man 17 to 19 years old who lives within 2 miles of the scene of the slang this is based off
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of a retired New York City homicide detective who prepared one of these profiles the thing here is additionally
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Captain it did not take long for the Upper Arlington Police Department to believe that a cenus murder was the same
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man who attacked the 9-year-old girl on May 7th 1980 that other attack that we've referenced a couple of times and
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police and the media noted the following similarities between the two crimes asth
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dukot was an 8-year-old girl with brown hair the victim in the May 7th attack was a 9-year-old girl with brown hair
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both crimes happened at similar times of the day when both girls were walking home from school the crimes occurred
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just slightly more than 2 m from each other according to One account both crimes occurred within a half mile of
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Route 33 and forested areas similarly another account stated both crimes happened in large open areas sheltered
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from View and less than a half block from Route 33 Route 33 is also that Riverside Drive both girls were choked
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or strangled a red 10-speed bicycle was seen in the vicinity of both crimes both
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girls were near their homes when the crimes occurred police believed both girls were attacked near the street and
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then moved to a location several hundred ft away both attacks were sexually motivated an unsuccessful attempt was
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made to assault the May 7th victim and aith was raped the description and sketch of aith dukat's murder was
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similar to the sketch from the May 7th attack because of these similarities the chief of police said the best suspect
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police have in a Seena slanging is an unknown man who is also being sought for the assault May 7th of a 10-year-old
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girl who was attacked when she returned home from Treemont Elementary School this murder is going to disrupt the
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local landcape and we're going to get other departments involved one of them being the FBI and we're going to be able
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to get a profile of who they think the Killer is yeah there's several done over the years we have the FBI with probably
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the most definitive profile which is received by Upper Arlington Police in 1990 according to this profile Asus
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killer was a loner in his early 20s with few friends was from a family with a strict abusive father and protective
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mother had one or more sisters who were more successful and received more recognition from their parents failed in
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school or work because he was not accepted by fellow students and employees may have sought treatment for
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depression has attacked others but not necessarily killed them is physically strong intends to choke or hit his
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victims what makes the most sense to me and I don't know if you agree with this Colonel but to put together both of
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these profiles so we look for some of these characteristics in this individual but also local law enforcement believes
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this person is local within 2 miles of the murder scene yeah and I'm going to go just beyond that two miles there but
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keep in mind we also have if in fact a cenus killer and the attacker from the May 7th attack are one and the same then
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we actually have crime scenes that are a couple miles apart anyway so that we have to create a radius around both of
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those crime scenes which will balloon us out a little bit further than just that
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straight up two mile radius from a scenus murder scene what we have here what we just reviewed is to me you know
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we've been told this by John Douglas when you go into profile a Killer really the best way to do that is
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you have to profile everything you have to profile the killer you profile the victim you profile the area and the
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situation well here when I review those profiles I'm seeing two different things
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one where we have somebody profiling the actual crimes the the crimes that took place and coming up with an assessment
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and a hypothesis base based off of what they see from the known facts of those crimes the other what we have is a
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psychological makeup of what our killer is or who our killer is in his background and so we want to look for
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somebody that fits that psychological profile but also fits the physical proximity profile that was put together
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in the other cases so to do that unfortunately we have to bring up a disgusting individual that we've never I
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don't believe we talked about him before on this show yeah I don't want to keep making fun of Bob Ru publicly and that
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would be child killer David Elliot Penton now David Elliot penon is a Serial child killer and
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unfortunately his address at the time when aena dukot was killed was roughly four to five miles from the crime scene
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now this individual if in fact he did kill aith it likely would would be his first
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murder because his murders all took place later now the thing that scares the hell out of me about the date of the
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attack on aith is around this same time David Elliot Penton who was in the military was shipped off to Korea well
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why does that scare me it scares me for two reasons one it could take him completely out of the area and he's not
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here he did not have the physical ability to be here to commit the crime so then he's not a suspect the flip side
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of that coin is a very dangerous sick individual knew he was going away to a place far away for a long period of time
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and likely fantasized about these types of crimes for a long period of his life before he started committing them and
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may have seen an opportunity to hey I can act on some of these fantasies and guess what within days I'm at a die baby
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I'm on the other side of the planet now I could not confirm the exact date of when he was transferred overseas that
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would be very important now his physical makeup his psychological makeup I should
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say does fit with the psychological profile of aena dukot killer Penton was a loner Penton did live in a situation
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where his sister was more successful than he was in fact he was held back a grade and decided I'm going to drop out
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of high school because it would be embarrassing if I'm in the same grade as my younger sister he was raised by a
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mother and a stepfather and again they're address very close to this area but unfortunately we can't pinpoint
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exactly when he was transferred his crimes are almost identical to one another his future crimes he would
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abduct a child in his vehicle take them to another location where they would be killed so if picking up what you're
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putting down what you're saying is if he is responsible for this murder for dukat's murder this would actually be
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his first murder based on his known criminal activity that's correct the thing is I believe that this method that
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he used he used it time and time again and probably every single time and a large portion of that statement is true
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based off of his known criminal activity we know know it to be fact where I have
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a problem with him being a suspect is I see some movements of the real suspect of of of what I think the suspect and
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who I think the suspect is and the movements of the victim don't really ring true with David
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penton's other crimes and murders because I've said this here before captain and I'll say it again I
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have never seen a sexually motivated child abduction and murder where the perpetrator comes into
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an area removes the victim and kills them or brings them back and then kills them
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and leaves them in the same area where they're abducted from we can go based off of witness statements and the scent
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dog that traced her movements that day that she was roughly killed in very close proximity
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to where the abduction took place right it wouldn't make any sense for David Penton to come into this area abduct her
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and then bring her right back he would have taken her elsewhere and dumped her in an area where there was nobody out
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there where he couldn't be seen his vehicle couldn't be identified well this location where she's found it it's very
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strange anyways because it's very close to a major road when just a block away if this this person was local and and
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knew the area well lived within 2 miles within a couple blocks is a little bit of a wooded area you'd think you think
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if they're going to leave her body somewhere maybe that's where they would leave it yeah again it doesn't make any
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sense to me for anyone including David Elliot Penton to have a vehicle and be able to abduct someone and then take
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them with him only to return them later it just it just doesn't ring true that's
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not typically how these crimes are committed now I know I said the same statement in our ly
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Harper episodes and someone said well what about the Lindberg baby well that's not a sexually motivated abduction that
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was a Money Motivated abduction where the killers were idiots and dro the baby off of the ladder so it's not anywhere
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in the same neighborhood of the same type of crime David Elliot penton's crimes are in the same neighborhood but
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he is not from the same neighborhood and would never have returned a victim back
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to the neighborhood in which he took the victim so I think we have to look at some individuals that a are closer in
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proximity to asena dukot and the crime scene and also individuals or an individual that may have not had the
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same means may not have had a vehicle to transport the victim and that is why she is found so
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cover here in the second half of today's show and that is because we're going to
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get into some very good suspects now why are they very good suspects because they
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fit some of the physical evidence that we know to be in this murder case now the first individual his name is Brett
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strutner and I've heard it pronounced strutner or strutner I say potato you say potato for the for the sake of
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argument let's continue with struer I say toe so Brett struer he gets onto police radar because of a tip actually a
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couple tips that come in that say Hey you might want to look at this guy he's been behaving very strange since the
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murder took place now interestingly enough at the time of the murder he lives about a mile and a half from the
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corner of walam and Hillside so he's very close in proximity he fits the proximity of the first profile and he
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fits the profile the the psychological profile that we see as well and this is how he gets onto the radar of police the
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night of the murder Brett is at a bar with some of his friends this bar is near the Ohio State University campus
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and at the bar he's seen crying or weeping and he told other people at the bar that he was afraid to go back to his
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apartment that he could not go home because they are after me and when he is finally returned to his home via a
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friend's vehicle he says he does not want to enter his apartment because again they are after me so we have an
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anonymous phone call that makes its way to the Upper Arlington Police Department
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that is telling them about this suspect's behavior on that night why is this guy acting so weird so strange so
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paranoid the night after a murder takes place in the area keep in mind this is a
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safe area where they don't have they don't commonly have murders taking place like you said he lives within the
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vicinity of what the profile says that this killer possibly could live in once this guy's on the radar we have
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eyewitnesses coming forward saying he could have been there as early as 2: p.m. yeah in the direct area of the
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crime scene and keep in mind here when we talk about crime scene there are multiple crime scenes in an adduction
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and murder case right so we have the crime scene of where the abduction took place we know that there was some type
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of sexual assault in this case so we have a location another crime scene where that assault took place and then
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later we have the scene of where the body is located so we have multiple crime scenes that we're dealing with but
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we also have witnesses that are saying this guy could have been as close as the corner in which I believe that she was
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later abducted on the same day that she was abducted so now we got this guy who's behaving oddly and we can put him
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in the area with some different Witnesses but we also learn another interesting fact about this individual
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he owns a red 10speed bicycle and it's reported that at some point in the summer of 1980 he decides to quit riding
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it he doesn't want to ride it anymore According to some of his friends statements that are later given to
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police which is similar to the idea that a killer will change their appearance maybe they shave their beard maybe they
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grow a beard maybe or if a vehicle is involved in a crime hey they stop driving that vehicle they sell it they
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get a new one they get a paint job is pretty common as well right our suspect Brett struer on June 5th
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1980 so this is 2 days after the homicide he is out with some friends and he's again dropping these strange lines
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of are the cops coming after me if these cops don't quit quit harassing me I'm going to kill them and then he goes home
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to his home his parents home actually that same night and he takes his parents' vehicle and then he flees the
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area driving North toward Cleveland the following morning at 7:45 a.m. police find him stranded on the side of the
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road in this vehicle in Willoughby Ohio he is losing his mind he is telling people hey people are after me he takes
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his parents car he heads North to Willoughby that's a good 2 and 1 half hours away if that's not suspicious I
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don't know what is when we reviewed Ed keer and when we reviewed BTK a both of them said the same thing about their
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early murders that when they first committed him they thought just within minutes the police would be on their way
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that they would hear sirens that everybody knew exactly what they did who was guilty and that they were going to
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be on their way to lock them up as quickly as possible and in both cases we know that didn't happen in fact Ed
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Kemper called the police after he killed his grandparents this behavior is not unlike
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that where this guy was involved in something and he's saying to everybody that's willing to listen I think the
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cops are after me I think the police are harassing me they are going to get me I
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can't go back to my house fleas the area to get out of Dodge when the police find him and I'll
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read from the description of what went down here in Willoughby Ohio because you can't make this stuff up the truth is
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Stranger Than Fiction my friends so the report from the Long Walk Home reads as follows on the morning of June 6 at
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approximately 7:40 a.m. police received a call from a nearby by sonoko station that a car was in a ditch on the St
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Clair exit between Lost Nation and Eerie Road upon arrival the first patrolman discovered a 1979 Cadillac in a ditch
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with Brett strutner lying across the front seat after he wakes up the subject I guess this is from knocking on the
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window he then asked Brett to open up the door or the window to the vehicle Brett would not open either in fact he
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tries to flee again he's trying to start the vehicle so he can get out of this location get away from this police
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officer at this time the police officer's vehicle was in a position that would block any type of escape from
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Brett as he's in the vehicle now we have the patrolman who's trying to get the vehicle unlocked so he can get to Brett
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the driver at this time the suspect produced a hypo syringe or hypodermic needle I guess and took out his
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testicles and began stabbing the syringe into them sounds like a delightful afternoon at this time we have another
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patrolman who's trying to break the window of the vehicle with his night stick and he eventually is successful
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now we have our suspect Brett who and screaming and fighting with the officers it takes about four officers to
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bring this guy in right they spray him with mace that has no effect at all eventually after a real brewhaha they're
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on the side of the road they eventually apprehend Brett strutner and they take him into their custody and they're going
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to have a whole list of charges to hit this guy with right he's assaulted basically all four of these
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police officers and and he's also in possession of this hypodermic needle there's all kinds of things going on
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here and he assaulted his testicles now what we have happen is the Upper Arlington Police
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Department they're going to send two of their detectives up to interview Brett strutner who is sitting
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at the Lake County Sheriff's Office he's probably not sitting too comfortably this mind you is after a statement from
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one of the correction officers at the jail that says that he overheard struer say quote I killed an
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8-year-old girl so we have the Upper Arlington police detective there asking questions to Brett and during the course
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of the questioning the detectives tell him we are simply trying to figure out where you were on June 3rd
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1980 to which his response is I didn't hurt anyone okay they're not asking him about the
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murder they've not told him that they are there investigating a murder or an abduction they're simply asking him
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where he was on that day and his response is I did not hurt anyone this suspect is what I like to call a wacka
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do but if we took the time to go through every crazy statement he made we'd have
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to do like a six-part series on this I mean this guy is a real racket yeah and if you review his statement and
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his interview with police we learn a few things he admits to owning a red bicycle he also admits that he knows
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where Frankenstein's cave is located in fact he says that he had been there on multiple
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occasions and without giving a pinpointed time here he basically admits to being in the
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general area of where the crime took place place on June 3rd 1980 so we have a guy that's behaving oddly he puts
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himself near or at the crime scene on the day that the crime took place this is a good suspect and he doesn't look
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unlike the sketch the composite that they've already released to the public we also have eyewitnesses that say they
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see somebody matching his description in this area around the time that ath went
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missing so this guy's a good suspect now we need to go back to the timeline we talked about the timeline that was put
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together by detective time let's expand that timeline out days rather than just the minute by minute that detective time
00:34:43
gave us so let's go to September 27th 1980 this is just a couple months after the murder on this date we have another
00:34:54
attack an abduction attempt the take takes place at ol and Tangi commin apartment complex which is not terribly
00:35:01
far from the asth dukot crime scene in this situation we have a victim who is pulled from her bike the suspect
00:35:10
attempted to drag her toward a secluded field but the suspect dropped the victim
00:35:15
and ran away when a passer by saw the abduction and screamed for help the victim assisted the police by having a
00:35:23
sketch made of the suspect the sketch was very similar to the sketch provided by the witness to the asena duat
00:35:33
suspect okay we have to then back up to the first attack the May 7th 1980 attack
00:35:41
that took place just one month before Cena attack on this date an unidentified victim took the bus from her tont
00:35:51
Elementary School at the end of her school Day After exiting the bus on canterberry Lane she started on her walk
00:35:58
home with another female friend a boy or a young man riding a red bicycle passed
00:36:04
by them back and forth a few times when the female friend eventually had to start walking in a different direction
00:36:11
to her own home the 11-year-old girl was suddenly attacked and strangled into unconsciousness
00:36:20
however she was never raped when she regained Consciousness the suspect was gone it is believed that the suspect was
00:36:28
scared off by the victim's friend or someone else I've also seen reports that state he may have been scared off by a
00:36:35
neighbor dog it's uh pretty scary to imagine to know that there's this horrible people out there correct so one
00:36:43
of these attacks takes place before aena attack and the other takes place afterward and in both situations police
00:36:52
have reason to believe that the attacker was scared off now in the September 27th
00:36:58
attack an individual named Robert Chris Winchester was convicted of the attempted kidnapping Robert Chris
00:37:06
Winchester was sentenced to 3 to 10 years at Mansfield prison in order to undergo psychiatric
00:37:14
evaluation let's go back to the May 7th 1980 attack that crime went unsolved but
00:37:22
the victim of that crime picked out Robert Chris Winchester from lineup related to the September 27th 1980
00:37:30
abduction case Winchester was never charged or prosecuted for that case however we must
00:37:37
note that the victim picks him out of a lineup so we have this Robert Chris Winchester who is
00:37:47
convicted of a very similar crime that takes place just months after Aus murder and also that the number one
00:37:57
prime suspect in a crime that took place in a very similar crime that took place
00:38:02
in a similar location just one month before asen's attack maybe we could get struer
00:38:11
to take a syringe to this guy's testicles as well so here's what the problem ends up being Captain you hear
00:38:17
the old statement from the old football coaches that say when you have two quarterbacks you have zero quarterbacks
00:38:23
right well this is a similar situation but the flip side of that where in June we have one suspect that they like a lot
00:38:31
this Brett struer well now in September of 1980 we have another suspect that they like a lot this Robert Chris
00:38:40
Winchester and oh as it turns out he too owns a red bicycle he too matches the description of a man or men in their 20s
00:38:51
early 20s seen in the area of the asth ducot crime scene on June 3rd 1980 so now we have two really good
00:39:01
suspects the thing here is that doesn't mean that they cancel each other out or that one should cancel out the other
00:39:08
because what is later learned is that these two went to school together they grew up together they lived on the same
00:39:14
street they were neighbors it's not out of bounds to make the assumption that these two were friends we know that they
00:39:21
knew each other is there a chance that the two of them were up to no good together on the day that asith was
00:39:30
abducted they both match the description they both have a criminal history Winchester's crimes almost mirr the
00:39:39
dukot abduction and they both were believed to possibly be in the area so one of these suspects is deranged the
00:39:47
other suspect is a pedophile it's very possible because these two individuals live close
00:39:55
together that they would hang out together at some point not only that we have Winchester who is convicted of a
00:40:00
very similar crime and prime suspect in another crime that almost MIRS aenis abduction now we have struer who is
00:40:10
blabbing to everybody that he at least believes that he is guilty of something he's telling everybody that the police
00:40:17
are after him he says when he's in lockup that he killed an 8-year-old girl so I'm starting to see something
00:40:26
that maybe the police didn't fully see I think that they did eventually but maybe
00:40:32
not in 1980 I think some of the confusion and some of the problems with this case and with this
00:40:40
investigation is that it just wasn't so simple it wasn't as simple as man abducts girl kills girl flees the area I
00:40:48
think that we have a situation where we may have more than one individual involved and because they won't rat on
00:40:55
each other or because that they may even help each other in some form or fashion on these
00:41:02
on covering up this crime that it's not so easy to detect what exactly happened that day both of these suspects are good
00:41:11
suspects both live close to the crime scene both fit the profile in different ways and both not Cooperative with
00:41:20
police the other problem here too Captain is we have Brett who seems to have been in the area based off of
00:41:27
eyewitness accounts and he puts himself in the area at the time of the crime and
00:41:32
then the flip of that is we have Winchester who again not Cooperative but is coming
00:41:39
up with potential Alibis for his whereabouts that day and none of them check out so he's lying about his
00:41:48
whereabouts on that day well why would he do that clearly he's got something to cover up one of the things that you were
00:41:54
talking about earlier is the I would Witnesses seeing the red bike so then police have this one suspect and they go
00:42:00
well he has a red bike and then this other suspect he has a red bike well at some point in my life when I was a child
00:42:06
I had probably two bikes one was probably a older bike that maybe I outgrew and then got a mountain bike or
00:42:14
something like that but red isn't a uncommon color for a bicycle so I'll start to try to paint a picture of what
00:42:22
I think possibly happened on that afternoon Within that 4-Hour time window that we started off with on yesterday's
00:42:29
episode I want to be clear here I'm not the first to come up with a theory that is similar to this there have been a lot
00:42:37
of good people that have done Gang Busters work on this case most of them the people from The Long Walk Home
00:42:45
website this is a theory my theory is similar to theirs and other theories that have been recently
00:42:53
suggested and when you look at the crime scene along with the physical evidence that we
00:43:00
have you will see that this Theory carries some weight first off let's go back to C's
00:43:08
route that she was taking home when she got on to Waltham Road she would have simply made a right to travel North up
00:43:18
Malin and go directly to her home however when the scent dog tried to retrace C's footsteps
00:43:26
the dog went South instead of turning right onto Malin made a left and went South of
00:43:36
Waltham now even more south of that later some of C's papers from school and her umbrella were F were found in this
00:43:45
general area this is a concealed area a wooded area a forest area forested area I believe that they found her belonging
00:43:56
ings there because instead of making a right onto malver something made her change her
00:44:03
Direction and I believe that's when they tried to grab her somebody tried to grab
00:44:07
her or started to approach her she didn't like the situation and she turned and she started to head south away from
00:44:15
her home simply to get away from whoever this was she's out by herself I think that at some point she
00:44:22
gets chased down and where she is apprehending by these individuals is where we find some of her belongings
00:44:30
later I think that we probably are dealing with more than one abductor and I don't think that our
00:44:37
abductor had a vehicle he may have had a bicycle his partner in crime may have had a
00:44:46
bicycle as well one could have been on foot it's hard to say but we have several witnesses that see a red bicycle
00:44:55
near this crime scene now the reason why I don't think that the abductor had a vehicle is because if they did they
00:45:02
simply would have taken her put her in the vehicle and drove to a location that would provide whatever privacy that they
00:45:10
wanted for whatever they intended to do that would make sense if we would find her body later at a location far from
00:45:19
her neighborhood yeah I agree but what we do know takes place is that within that 4-Hour window at the end of it her
00:45:27
body is found in her neighborhood and actually just about 100 ft maybe a football field away
00:45:35
from where I believe she was abducted well why would anybody Place her there we know that she was killed at
00:45:42
that location where she was found based off of all of the police reports and the
00:45:47
police findings but what I think happened here Captain there were always rumors there
00:45:54
were always stories there were always theories that maybe she was attacked in that forested area in that wooded
00:46:03
area maybe she was attacked on the other side of 33 of Riverside Drive the problem with that with those
00:46:13
theories is that if she was attacked in those areas and assaulted in those areas
00:46:19
the individual who decided to kill her would have just killed her and simply left her there would be no need to
00:46:27
transport the victim anywhere it's only adding to the risk level of the criminals Behavior yeah I agree because
00:46:35
once you go to move that victim more eyewitnesses could see you but what we do have is witnesses that say that we
00:46:44
see or may have seen a male white carrying an unconscious girl or an injured girl or an injured little kid I
00:46:54
think what we have here is a situation where she was attack she was attacked and
00:46:59
grabbed and transported to a secluded area but that secluded area was either a home or someone's backyard and I believe
00:47:09
that it was probably a home very close to where she was abducted from the reason why somebody would then transport
00:47:16
her body later is because she is attacked in an area assaulted in an area where they needed to get her out of
00:47:26
there we've talked about on this show so many times what a big problem it is for
00:47:30
the criminal to have an abducted victim alive or otherwise in their vehicle that's a big problem for the criminal
00:47:38
it's also a big problem to have an individual abducted alive or otherwise in their home or in their
00:47:45
backyard and so when the search started going down for scen and people started looking for her somebody or some buddies
00:47:54
knew I have to get get this out of here and get this away from my property or from this area that I took her to or the
00:48:05
property that I took her to why because all roads lead back to me or my helper and I think unfortunately what happened
00:48:14
here Captain is I don't think that the police were wrong it's so obvious that unfortunately she was killed where she
00:48:23
was found I agree but we've also covered this plenty of times on this show and we've reviewed the comments and the
00:48:30
statements of victims who survive and attempted murder as well as murderers who say you know what it's
00:48:40
more difficult to strangle someone to death than you realize or I have attempted to strangle
00:48:47
somebody and then eventually they came too I think wherever she was assaulted someone strangled her and
00:48:56
believed that they had successfully killed her she was then moved away from that person's property or their friend's
00:49:05
property with the attempt to conceal her body by removing it from that location to try to put her place her inside that
00:49:14
Culvert to conceal the body when she was placed on the Rocks before they could move her in
00:49:21
there she wakes up she comes to they weren't successful strangling her and it was in that moment that one individual
00:49:31
picked up that rock and unfortunately they killed this little girl yeah animals the crime scene suggests a
00:49:38
couple of things one we would learn that there is scientific physical evidence that
00:49:48
proves that strutner was involved that he had contact with the victim vitim on the day that she was
00:49:57
killed that places him with the victim that places him at the crime scene now there were footprints that were found in
00:50:05
this area these Footprints do not eliminate our other suspect Winchester from being at the
00:50:17
crime scene at the murder scene however that would probably leave us with a potential third or fourth
00:50:26
perpetrator if these two guys did this together they had to take her somewhere nearby and they had to take her
00:50:32
somewhere that they would want to not leave her there and therefore the most sensible reasonable answer the most
00:50:42
logical answer would be that they took her to someone's home to someone's property
00:50:49
nearby and probably rather close to where she was ultimately found just before 7 :30 p.m. so your thought is
00:50:57
that it's at least these two individuals maybe possibly one more individual involved in this crime with the way that
00:51:06
the movements of the victim and her belongings where they're found and then some of the physical evidence that we
00:51:13
know to be true in this case yes that's what I see here as being the most likely
00:51:19
scenario to play out again I think where the problem was is that we have a crime
00:51:26
scene that the police just did not understand they didn't understand that we might be looking for two perpetrators
00:51:32
or more we didn't understand that she may have been moved to to another location they understood that that's
00:51:39
their own words so we believe that she was moved elsewhere right but again why would you move to a vehicle if you move
00:51:46
to a vehicle You're simply going to be parked on the side of the road somewhere in this neighborhood I feel like that's
00:51:51
awfully difficult to happen and I also feel like the best Suspects per the newspaper reports of
00:51:59
1980 and even after that both of these guys are on bicycles and so didn't have the means to
00:52:07
be using a vehicle we also have statements from other Witnesses later that would come forward saying things
00:52:14
like one one of the suspects that we named his bike was seen in a garage in a home that was within walking
00:52:25
distance of where the body was found yeah and when you look at it on the map you're like
00:52:31
wow that's extremely close there are witnesses that came forward that said that one of these suspects if not both
00:52:39
of them were hanging out with somebody that lived very close to where the body was found so when you compile all of
00:52:47
this information and you look at the totality of it all put together it starts to you start to see a picture and
00:52:54
you start to see how this thing could have played out and it's a rather simple answer and again I'm not the first one
00:53:01
to come up with this and I know that my theory is not exactly spoton with some others that have been released but
00:53:08
that's why you'll want to review some more information at the long walkom ua.com and form your own opinion take a
00:53:16
look at the maps take a look at the physical evidence or just listen and believe everything we say that works too
00:53:23
with all this time with all this evidence with all these eyewitnesses with all this demand for
00:53:32
answers why don't we have somebody locked up and held responsible for these crimes this case gets complicated and I
00:53:41
know that there are people out there that say Hey the cops really screwed this one up that was even the title of a
00:53:48
newspaper article that said experts say police bungled this case and maybe they did maybe they did I can only tell you
00:53:55
what I have seen what I see is a rather complicated case where there were several people involved that it would be
00:54:03
difficult to it would be difficult to figure out that there were multiple people involved it's kind it reminds me
00:54:10
a lot of the Martha Moxley case where you had all of these years go by decades go by this girl's killed in her own
00:54:18
neighborhood there were multiple people that were suspected and in the end when you really put the pieces together it's
00:54:26
a much simpler case than you would think right when you look at C's case I feel like
00:54:33
it's the same thing once you know all of the pieces and the moving Parts it's actually a much more simple case than it
00:54:41
would appear on June 3rd 1980 and June 4th 1980 and June 5th 1980 there are going to be things that the officers
00:54:50
that the detectiv saw at this location at the crime scene that just didn't make make
00:54:56
sense and it made it hard for them to put together the complete story why didn't they make sense well because
00:55:02
there were more people involved than they thought and once you put it together now
00:55:07
it seems like it's it's pretty clear but let's add to the fact some other complexities that take place in this
00:55:15
case you have one of the main suspects Brett struer who committed suicide four years after
00:55:26
the duot murder and yes he was in and out of jail for some time he continued to have
00:55:34
problems but ultimately he jumps out of a window I believe it was the sixth floor at the YMCA building downtown
00:55:42
Columbus not high enough in 1984 they find the door to his room locked the window wide open and his body
00:55:54
outside on the the ground they don't find anything of importance to this case you know when when they're responding to
00:56:02
this when law enforcement are responding to this call you know they're hoping that he wrote out a written confession
00:56:09
before he jumped out the window right or find evidence of the victim or that crime or other crimes in his room that
00:56:17
didn't happen well then the problem then becomes that one of your Prime suspects
00:56:24
is now onone he wasn't cooperating before but now you're going to get zero cooperation out of this individual well
00:56:32
no more ball St Winchester ended up serving Time For That September 1980 attack and he
00:56:41
did over a year I believe about two years or so on that attack obviously he's not cooperated as well and there
00:56:50
may be another individual or two out there that played a role in this and we just don't have all the facts from them
00:56:58
either it's really truly a sad case for the neighborhood for the dukot family there has been no justice in this
00:57:08
case and I wouldn't go so far to blame police had a monster not taken this girl's life or
00:57:19
monsters we would never have this discussion to begin with I think that there were some people that worked very
00:57:25
hard on this case and cared a lot about asith and her family and tried and did everything they possibly could I don't
00:57:33
see a situation where the police put on blinders they called in the FBI they sent physical evidence to the FBI they
00:57:42
asked for people with better resources for their help and unfortunately I think it's just
00:57:48
one of those cases that I I'm not very confident that this thing gets solved or solved the
00:57:57
right way anytime there's a crime where we think there's multiple people involved it's more likely that
00:58:03
somebody's going to talk that we're going to hear rumors Rumblings but in this case we have one of the suspects
00:58:11
he's dead one of the suspects is incarcerated if there's another individual then what happened to them but I think
00:58:21
because of those reasons is probably why we haven't heard more rumors about these
00:58:26
people being connected as you heard in these episodes the dukot the family are wonderful people they're some of the
00:58:33
kindest bravest people that I have seen especially based off of Alexander dukat's statements in the months after
00:58:41
his little daughter was killed there's been no justice for the ducats there's been no justice for the people of this
00:58:49
neighborhood and it's something that I hope changes and we can only hope and pray that something happens that there
00:58:56
is a break in this case to lead to some form of Justice I know that I along with
00:59:02
many other people think of asith this time of year every year as we're letting out school getting ready for the summer
00:59:11
break we think about her we think about her case and we think about the things that could have been done differently in
00:59:17
this investigation we also think about the suspects and people that are capable of this type of horrific crime C is not
00:59:26
to be forgotten the duot are not to be forgotten this crime is not to be forgotten this is something that I hope
00:59:34
stays with everybody until this thing can be solved and one day somebody can be locked up and put away for what they
00:59:43
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01:00:12
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01:00:21
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01:00:28
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01:00:37
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